the 'aryans'

[hco is life]

Originally Posted by adren@line

Aryama could be combination of Arya and Yama, its possible. Happens in many languages.

As far as the Yama thing, I know, but I was stating that he was mythological figure in India, and Iran as well.

Arya, to my knowledge, isn't used in the scriptures. Only Aryama is. Arya is the traditional Hindi/Gujarati way of pronouncing Aryama or Aryana. Thats why theres a Hindu sect called the Arya Samaj, not the Aryana or Aryama Samaj.

[adren@line]

Originally Posted by hco is life

Arya, to my knowledge, isn't used in the scriptures. Only Aryama is. Arya is the traditional Hindi/Gujarati way of pronouncing Aryama or Aryana. Thats why theres a Hindu sect called the Arya Samaj, not the Aryana or Aryama Samaj.

Arya is from Sanskrit as well, and the Vedic texts are in sanskrit.

[hco is life]

Originally Posted by adren@line

Arya is from Sanskrit as well, and the Vedic texts are in sanskrit.

I know what language Vedic literature is in.

Like I said, to my knowledge, there is no "Arya" in the books but there is "Aryama".

[methodman535]

Originally Posted by drunkenmaster

That is the current status quo whether you like it or not, your baseless unsubstatiated allegations that I hold a 'Hindutva supremacist agenda' is laughable and counter-productive.

I am neither a Brahmin nor an Hindutvaadi, and your mindset reflects those JNU/Leftists/Marxists scholars whom blindly labels anyone who questions the invasion paradigm as an 'Hindutvaadi' and what not without reading any of the works.

You are a hindu, you revere the brahmin controlled hindu religious agenda. You hate the muslim religion and resent the dominance that the mughals had over northern india for centiuries. you would much rather the entire population of India was islam free. Theres nothing laughable about my allegation. You loathe the state of pakistan, thats "hindu supremacist" enough for me. You are obsessed with bashing the prophet of Islam just like your sidekick adrenaline, you scour neo nazi web sites to glean anti arab and anti islamic propaganda....the list goes on. Dont try to sell yourself as some neutral, politically balanced person because you are not. You and adrenaline are about as far from it as any hindu could possibly get. This could be easily confirmed by a poll of ratedesi users...Im sure 90% would label you as a fanatic extremist as regards your anti-paki, anti-muslim viewpoint.

[methodman535]

Originally Posted by dopekhor

Where does Dravidic language originate from?

From the south of India. Actually from the whole of India before it was settled and also invaded by the other group of Indians, the indo-aryan branch. From what I gather, Dravidian culture in India is thousands of years older than the "Indo Aryan" culture in India because it was indegenous and evolved in India entirely, mainly the south.

[dr_sinister1001]

I do love it when the lay take haphazard stabs at serious discussion, hasn't this meaningless debate been beaten to death a million times over?

It's always the same dumb fucks in here too,

adrenaline, drunkenmaster, methodman etc etc. you fucking uneducated morons, the irony is, you fools really think you know what your talking about after skimming a few Internet articles.

Pathetic...

[hco is life]

I still believe that its very possible that the Aryans were infact that original inhabitants of Northern India, and not nomads or invaders.

I am from the state of Gujarat. Are u saying that I come from a family that has direct descendance to a line of invaders? That I am not homogenously Indian?

[dyaus]

lol!

[adren@line]

Originally Posted by methodman535

You are a hindu, you revere the brahmin controlled hindu religious agenda. You hate the muslim religion and resent the dominance that the mughals had over northern india for centiuries. you would much rather the entire population of India was islam free. Theres nothing laughable about my allegation. You loathe the state of pakistan, thats "hindu supremacist" enough for me. You are obsessed with bashing the prophet of Islam just like your sidekick adrenaline, you scour neo nazi web sites to glean anti arab and anti islamic propaganda....the list goes on. Dont try to sell yourself as some neutral, politically balanced person because you are not. You and adrenaline are about as far from it as any hindu could possibly get. This could be easily confirmed by a poll of ratedesi users...Im sure 90% would label you as a fanatic extremist as regards your anti-paki, anti-muslim viewpoint.

Method you really keep proving yourself as a dumbass time and time again.

You tried this same crap with me: "You are this. You are that."

Hypothetical convo with method:

drunkemaster; I am a male.
method: no you are a female:
drunkenmaster: Did you not just see when I said I was a male.
method: You are female.

You have this dumb-ass habit of making stuff up and not paying attention.

YOU (method) need help. You have some serious issues.

[adren@line]

Originally Posted by dr_sinister1001

I do love it when the lay take haphazard stabs at serious discussion, hasn't this meaningless debate been beaten to death a million times over?

It's always the same dumb fucks in here too,

adrenaline, drunkenmaster, methodman etc etc. you fucking uneducated morons, the irony is, you fools really think you know what your talking about after skimming a few Internet articles.

Pathetic...

And you are another fruitcake who thinks he is "intellectually superior" to others on this forum because he uses words that contain more than three syllables.

Ohh look at Dr Sinister, demonstrating his intellect with crap like this:
http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=47032


:rabbit:

[hco is life]

Originally Posted by hco is life

I still believe that its very possible that the Aryans were infact that original inhabitants of Northern India, and not nomads or invaders.

I am from the state of Gujarat. Are u saying that I come from a family that has direct descendance to a line of invaders? That I am not homogenously Indian?

Back to topic.....responses?

[adren@line]

Originally Posted by hco is life

I know what language Vedic literature is in.

Like I said, to my knowledge, there is no "Arya" in the books but there is "Aryama".

"Arya" is mentioned in the Vedas.

[hco is life]

You're gonna need to back up your claim. For mine, its to my knowledge, meaning according to what scriptures I have read so far and how much I've read of them. You need to show me there's Arya in it.

[methodman535]

Originally Posted by adren@line

Method you really keep proving yourself as a dumbass time and time again.

You tried this same crap with me: "You are this. You are that."

Hypothetical convo with method:

drunkemaster; I am a male.
method: no you are a female:
drunkenmaster: Did you not just see when I said I was a male.
method: You are female.

You have this dumb-ass habit of making stuff up and not paying attention.

YOU (method) need help. You have some serious issues.

Can you point to something thats actually OUTSIDE your LSD induced stupor and in the real e-world here? And how does me expressing my opinion(which happens to be shared by 90% of ratedesi users Im sure) about your political leanings make me a dumbass? As usual...you just whine and hallucinate.

[methodman535]

Theres no such thing as "original inhabitants" since at one time the entire Indian subcontinent was devoid of human settlement. The question is who was there before who else and what the dates and locations are.

[VikramNZ]

Originally Posted by methodman535

Theres no such thing as "original inhabitants" since at one time the entire Indian subcontinent was devoid of human settlement. The question is who was there before who else and what the dates and locations are.

No, wrong. The Australoids have alwasy been there, and considering they are called "Australoids" I'm assuming they are related to the Aborigini/Papua New Guinian. We could say that these are the TRUE natives of India. Since Indians are not homogenous - obviously they can't be Native since each of the races that build their racial make-up must've come from somewhere. I assume Proto-European from Mediterranean (similar to Ancient Egyptians), Indo-European from Iran (or Europe if you wanted to go further back) and Australoid.

[VikramNZ]

Originally Posted by methodman535

Can you point to something thats actually OUTSIDE your LSD induced stupor and in the real e-world here? And how does me expressing my opinion(which happens to be shared by 90% of ratedesi users Im sure) about your political leanings make me a dumbass? As usual...you just whine and hallucinate.

Adrenaline uses LSD?

[methodman535]

Originally Posted by VikramNZ

No, wrong. The Australoids have alwasy been there, and considering they are called "Australoids" I'm assuming they are related to the Aborigini/Papua New Guinian. We could say that these are the TRUE natives of India. Since Indians are not homogenous - obviously they can't be Native since each of the races that build their racial make-up must've come from somewhere. I assume Proto-European from Mediterranean (similar to Ancient Egyptians), Indo-European from Iran (or Europe if you wanted to go further back) and Australoid.

We know the Australoids were in the south, but we do not know if they inhabited the whole subcontinent do we? We know australoid genes today are most concentrated in the south, caucasoid genes most concentrated in the northwest and mongoloid genes most concentrated in the east and northeast of India.

And of course we know all desis are a varying mix of each of these groups. Can we assume the australoids inhabitted all of India at one time? Or...can we assume that as their tribes went north and east that they encountered caucasoid and mongoloid tribes and warred and interbred with them? I would guess the latter...and by producing hybrids along the way it doesnt make them the original inhabitants of the entire Indian subcontinent.


Now. Its also possible that caucasioid tribes came in through the northwest and just stopped there. While a few thousand years later australoid tribes came in through the east and settled the empty southerns part of India. And then after both of these, mongoloid tribes(a relatively new subgroup I am told) entered from the northeast and went forth settling, battling and interbreeding with both the caucasoid and australoid tribes in India.

So certain parts of India may have had australoid settlements as the first and "original" ethnic group but you cant conclude that ALL of India was at one time 100% australoid.

[drunkenmaster]

Originally Posted by methodman535

You are a hindu, you revere the brahmin controlled hindu religious agenda. you would much rather the entire population of India was islam free. Theres nothing laughable about my allegation. You loathe the state of pakistan, thats "hindu supremacist" enough for me. You are obsessed with bashing the prophet of Islam just like your sidekick adrenaline, you scour neo nazi web sites to glean anti arab and anti islamic propaganda....the list goes on. Dont try to sell yourself as some neutral, politically balanced person because you are not. You and adrenaline are about as far from it as any hindu could possibly get. This could be easily confirmed by a poll of ratedesi users...Im sure 90% would label you as a fanatic extremist as regards your anti-paki, anti-muslim viewpoint.

sigh.... again, baseless unsubstantiated vacuous accusations.

It's really pathetic that you have to resort to ad hominem attacks, two can play that game, if I'm an 'Hindu supremacist' then you're a Dravidianist chauvinistic propagandist, cause your rantings and ravings like a lunatic is demonstrative of a member of DMK.

This convo is fruitless besides being beaten to death, people like you and dr_sinister1001 are so adamant believing you are right it is futile to engage in any sort of discussion with a mindset like yours, you can't be reasoned with since you're a blockhead.

Fool.

[VikramNZ]

Originally Posted by methodman535

We know the Australoids were in the south, but we do not know if they inhabited the whole subcontinent do we? We know australoid genes today are most concentrated in the south, caucasoid genes most concentrated in the northwest and mongoloid genes most concentrated in the east and northeast of India.

And of course we know all desis are a varying mix of each of these groups. Can we assume the australoids inhabitted all of India at one time? Or...can we assume that as their tribes went north and east that they encountered caucasoid and mongoloid tribes and warred and interbred with them? I would guess the latter...and by producing hybrids along the way it doesnt make them the original inhabitants of the entire Indian subcontinent.


Now. Its also possible that caucasioid tribes came in through the northwest and just stopped there. While a few thousand years later australoid tribes came in through the east and settled the empty southerns part of India. And then after both of these, mongoloid tribes(a relatively new subgroup I am told) entered from the northeast and went forth settling, battling and interbreeding with both the caucasoid and australoid tribes in India.

So certain parts of India may have had australoid settlements as the first and "original" ethnic group but you cant conclude that ALL of India was at one time 100% australoid.

I think at one stage all of India may have been completely Australoid, various tribes. However you are forgetting one thing - the Proto-Europeans. There has been research findings which show Proto-European and Australoid remains dating back 8000 years+. Judging by the Harrapan Civilization (if made by the Dravidians) these Proto-Europeans would be similar or the same to those who were known as the Ancient Egyptians. The people we call Dravidians were infact a mix of Proto-European and Australoid, you can see this by features and also the range in skin colour. If Dravidians were pure Australoid I would not think they would have the mental superiority that they possessed. The Aryans or Indo-Europeans arrived (conquering or migrating) in 1500BC or around about and then the confusion begins as no one as an accurate idea of what actually happened, only theories. The whereabouts of pure Australoids at this time is probably not known, I'm assuming they would be in the South to avoid contact with the invading tribes and also to segregate themselves from the Dravidians, but then later on there was a massive migration of Tamils to the South... Very complicated subject, I think I will read a bit more into it.

[typeOnegative]

Originally Posted by VikramNZ

If Dravidians were pure Australoid I would not think they would have the mental superiority that they possessed.

This is an interesting statement. Are you implying the presence of a lower form of homo sapiens?

[VikramNZ]

Originally Posted by typeOnegative

This is an interesting statement. Are you implying the presence of a lower form of homo sapiens?

Most definitely. Certain races develop and evolve at different paces. They should be allowed to do so without intervention.

[typeOnegative]

Originally Posted by VikramNZ

Most definitely. Certain races develop and evolve at different paces. They should be allowed to do so without intervention.

Interesting.

[dopekhor]

anyone read that artilcle on ancient human migration and how scientists are using dna to trace path of the migration?

[typeOnegative]

Originally Posted by dopekhor

anyone read that artilcle on ancient human migration and how scientists are using dna to trace path of the migration?

Have read something like that. Could you post a link again if possible?