indian commandos

[samir]

[punjabi_mundaa]

same people oppressing my kashmiri brothers and sisters....

[adren@line]

oppressing?
are you out of your mind.

Hindus have been in Kashmir for centuries LONGER than Muslims.

Hindus in Kashmir is how it has been for centuries.

[methodman535]

I've come across many sources that say the Hindu occupation force has killed 80,000 civilians and raped 200,000 civilians. Now that would qualify as opression so if those facts are backed by reliable sources then there really isnt any argument, especially one that stretches back thousands of years because we are talking about current events.

[angrynacho]

samir: what the fuck is your point? Also, please move this to 'useless junk'.

[adren@line]

and Ive come across many sources that say that is all complete BS.

Lets remember, the Indian Army's presence is a response to the terrorist jihadis that are infesting the Area.

[methodman535]

WASHINGTON, D.C., August 2, 2002–According to today’s Washington Times, the Indian government has admitted that its forces were responsible for the massacre of 35 Sikhs in the village of Chithisinghpora, Kashmir on March 20, 2000. India finally admitted that the evidence it used to implicate alleged Kashmiri “militants” in the murders was faked.


Indian security forces have murdered over 250,000 Sikhs since 1984, according to figures compiled by the Punjab State Magistracy and human-rights organizations. These figures were published in the book The Politics of Genocide by Inderjit Singh Jaijee. India has also killed over 200,000 Christians in Nagaland since 1947, over 80,000 Kashmiris since 1988, and tens of thousands of other minorities. Christians have been victims of a campaign of terror that has been going on since Christmas 1998. Churches have been burned, Christian schools and prayer halls have been attacked, nuns have been raped, and priests have been killed. Missionary Graham Staines and his two sons were burned alive while they slept in their jeep by militant Hindu members of the RSS, the parent organization of the ruling BJP.

A report issued last year by the Movement Against State Repression (MASR) shows that India admitted that it held 52,268 political prisoners under the repressive “Terrorist and Disruptive Activities Act” (TADA) even though it expired in 1995. Many have been in illegal custody since 1984. There has been no list published of those who were acquitted under TADA and those who are still rotting in Indian jails. Additionally, according to Amnesty International, there are tens of thousands of other minorities being held as political prisoners. On February 28, 42 Members of the U.S. Congress from both parties wrote to President Bush to urge him to work for the release of Sikh political prisoners. The MASR report quotes the Punjab Civil Magistracy as writing “if we add up the figures of the last few years the number of innocent persons killed would run into lakhs [hundreds of thousands.]”

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/727966/posts

[samir]

^^ that link doesnt work and if the indian army had something of that sort the news would be significant across india thus i'd know


it was your terrorist mother fukers who deserve to have their balls and throats slit that killed the sikh civilians. I laugh when a terrorist dies

[samir]

Originally Posted by punjabi_mundaa

same people oppressing my kashmiri brothers and sisters....

only the terrorist kashmiri brothers and sisters are bothered by the commandoes. If your a terrorist supporter than i'll contact the FBI

[samir]

and another thing methodman paki, tens of thousands or SIKH TROOPS are stationed in kashmir and many of these sikhs have positions high up. You really think sikhs would agree to the slaughter of their own kind in kashmir.

terrorists are quite crafty but their bulllshiit is quite visible

[methodman535]

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache...n&ie=UTF-8





That still works.

[methodman535]

And since its probably gunna get uncached soon, here is the full unedited text from there for people to squabble over, although much of it does sound dubious but still worth researching:

Indian Government Admits Its Responsibility for Massacre in Chithisinghpora
Council of Khalistan ^ | August 2, 2002 | Council of Khalistan


Posted on 08/05/2002 9:07:15 AM PDT by TBP


Indian Government Admits Its Responsibility for Massacre in Chithisinghpora
Evidence a Fraud, Indian Soldiers Implicated
Council of Khalistan Said India Was Responsible When Massacre Happened
Continues Pattern of Pitting Minorities Against Each Other

WASHINGTON, D.C., August 2, 2002–According to today’s Washington Times, the Indian government has admitted that its forces were responsible for the massacre of 35 Sikhs in the village of Chithisinghpora, Kashmir on March 20, 2000. India finally admitted that the evidence it used to implicate alleged Kashmiri “militants” in the murders was faked.


This is a victory for Sikhs, including the Council of Khalistan, who have maintained that the Indian government is responsible for this atrocity. However, it is only after India’s case against the alleged “militants” was exposed that it took responsibility.


The massacre was timed to occur at the time of former President Clinton’s visit to India. Recent attacks on minorities also blamed on alleged “militants”, took place just before Secretary of State Colin Powell visited. At the time of the Chithisinghpora massacre, Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh, President of the Council of Khalistan, strongly condemned the murders. “What motive would Kashmiri freedom fighters have to kill Sikhs? This would be especially stupid when President Clinton is visiting. The freedom movements in Kashmir, Khalistan, Nagaland, and throughout India need the support of the United States,” he said. Khalistan is the Sikh homeland declared independent on October 7, 1987.


The massacres continued a pattern of repression and terrorism against minorities by the Indian government, which it attempts to blame on other minorities to divide and rule the minority peoples within its artificial borders. In November 1994, the Indian newspaper Hitavada reported that the Indian government paid the late governor of Punjab, Surendra Nath, $1.5 billion to organize and support covert terrorist activity in Punjab, Khalistan, and in neighboring Kashmir. The book Soft Target, written by Canadian journalists Brian McAndrew and Zuhair Kashmeri, shows that the Indian government blew up its own airliner in 1985 to blame Sikhs and justify further repression. It quotes an agent of the Canadian Security Investigation Service (CSIS) as saying, “If you really want to clear up the incidents quickly, take vans down to the Indian High Commission and the consulates in Toronto and Vancouver. We know it and they know it that they are involved.” On January 2, the Washington Times reported that India sponsors cross-border terrorism in the Pakistani province of Sindh.


A report issued last year by the Movement Against State Repression (MASR) shows that India admitted that it held 52,268 political prisoners under the repressive “Terrorist and Disruptive Activities Act” (TADA) even though it expired in 1995. Many have been in illegal custody since 1984. There has been no list published of those who were acquitted under TADA and those who are still rotting in Indian jails. Additionally, according to Amnesty International, there are tens of thousands of other minorities being held as political prisoners. On February 28, 42 Members of the U.S. Congress from both parties wrote to President Bush to urge him to work for the release of Sikh political prisoners. The MASR report quotes the Punjab Civil Magistracy as writing “if we add up the figures of the last few years the number of innocent persons killed would run into lakhs [hundreds of thousands.]”


Indian security forces have murdered over 250,000 Sikhs since 1984, according to figures compiled by the Punjab State Magistracy and human-rights organizations. These figures were published in the book The Politics of Genocide by Inderjit Singh Jaijee. India has also killed over 200,000 Christians in Nagaland since 1947, over 80,000 Kashmiris since 1988, and tens of thousands of other minorities. Christians have been victims of a campaign of terror that has been going on since Christmas 1998. Churches have been burned, Christian schools and prayer halls have been attacked, nuns have been raped, and priests have been killed. Missionary Graham Staines and his two sons were burned alive while they slept in their jeep by militant Hindu members of the RSS, the parent organization of the ruling BJP.


“It is good that India has finally admitted its responsibility for the massacre at Chithisinghpora,” Dr. Aulakh said. “Now I urge the U.S. government to place sanctions on India as a country that practices and promotes terrorism. The Chithisinghpora massacre proves that India is not a democracy, but a repressive, terrorist state which murders its minorities.”

[methodman535]

And here is a story, accusing the indian army of impersonating muslim terrorists while killing sikhs:

http://www.holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/ka03025.html


KT News service

CHHATI SINGHPORA, (Anantnag), Mar 21: Thirty five Sikhs were barabarically massacred by unidentified gunmen, wearing army uniforms, here last evening. Seven of them belonged to a single family. An IB inspector and an ex service man were among the deceased.

Giving details the eye witnesses said heavily armed gun men wearing army uniforms reached the village around 7.45 PM. Among the 2000 village population, 250 families are Sikh, while 14 others are of Muslims.

The gunmen claimed that they were from army and wanted to conduct a cordon and search operation as some militants were hiding in the village. One of the gun man describing himself as the officer opened a liquor bottle and started consuming it.

The gunmen summoned the " nambardar" Naseeb Singh and told him to inform the people about their presence. Subsequently, the gun men took position in lanes and bylanes and started knocking the doors of the villagers. The gun men asked the females and children to remain inside their houses, but directed the males to come out for identification parades .

Some Sikhs came out while others did not. A number of people who were busy in prayers at the local gurduwara were also asked to come out. As they came out, they were directed to line up. Eighteen of them were killed one by one on the spot.

The other group of gun men herded out the Sikhs out of their houses at Showkeen Mohalla in same village and killed 16 of them under identical circumstances. Two others were injured,one of them later succumbed to his injuries.

The firing by gunmen lasted for about half an hour. It created panic in the village and its neighbouring areas. The gunmen escaped from the villages after the massacre. While leaving they shouted "Jai Hind" a number of times. But After they left, the other Sikhs came out of their houses. They rushed towards the two spots and found the victims lying in a pool of blood.

After some time some Sikhs rushed towards the neighbouring Keerbal police chowki and informed the police about the incident. The cops reached the spot after some time and flashed the message about the massacre to their seniors. The police authorities also reached there after a few hours. The Rashtriya Rifles personnel of the Ranipora camp (three kilometers from here) reached the village around 4 AM.

Kanwaljeet Singh, a teacher, fled after he was asked to join the lined up people outside Gurduwara. Giving details he said he was returning from a shop when he saw the gunmen in uniform asking the people to assemble for identification parade. He told them that he wanted to go home and take the milk . But the "officer" told me that it will not take much time as they have only to do the "khanapuri" and asked Kanwaljeet Singh to get lined up with other Sikhs. " Fearing trouble I slipped quitely and rushed to my house. I told my wife that some thing bad is going to happen", the teacher said and added that within minutes he heard the burst of AKs.

Kartar Singh said he was busy teaching his children when he heard a kock on his door around 8.50 PM. " The gun men were asking us to come out of our houses. But I ignored their call and remained inside. After some time I heard the gunshots which continued for a long time", he said.

He said he mistook the firing as an encounter and did not move out. After some time Kartar Singh also came out and found the bodies at the two places. He said the other Sikhs also joined him. Shocked they were mourning the death of their near and dear ones. The people did not sleep fearing another attack.

Sikhs from other villages started reaching the village during the wee hours of this morning as they came to known about the incident. They included the women and children. Heart rendering scenes were witnessed with people wailing and mourning the deaths. The two spots where the massacres occured were red with human blood with a number of chappals and shoes lying scattered there. With the passage of time the number of Sikhs increased and tension mounted. DIG Anantnag- Pulwama Raja Aijaz Ali and SSP Farooq Khan were on the spot besides other officers of police and security forces. Police recovered some bottles of rum from the sites of massacres.

While most Sikhs said they are not sure as to who the killers were, but some of them blamed the militants.

They held strong protest demonstrations and raised slogans against militants , Pakistan, and Farooq government. They were also raising slogans, " Khoon ka badla khoon say laingee". They blamed the security forces for not protecting them. The Sikhs said the authorities were told about the movement of militants in advance, but no action was taken. Even an army camp, half a kilometer from the village, was withdrawn a few months back.

"Army visited our village only once this year and that too on January 25. We told them that some ex-service men and officials of security agencies live here and needed protection. But no heed was paid," said Jagtar Singh. He asked as to why the army reached eight hours after the incident even as their camp is located only three kilometers from here.

The Sikhs refused to cremate the bodies saying that chief minister Dr Farooq Abdullah and Punjab chief minister Prakash Singh Badal should be present.



US congressmen urge Clinton to declare India a terrorist state
NEW DELHI (June 22) : Media reports emanating from the United States reveals that a bipartisan group of 20 members of the US Congress wrote to President Clinton about India's involvement in the March massacre of 35 Sikhs in Chatti Singhpora in occupied Kashmir while President Clinton was visiting India. According to the report, the members of Congress in an exclusive letter to President Clinton, called for India to be declared a terrorist state. This was the first time that the US Congress has called for India to be declared a terrorist country. They also called for the US government to "stop aid to India until it observes human rights. And we should put America on record in support of self-determination for all the peoples and nations living under India's brutal rule". They called for strong US action against India, the report said. The letter was sponsored by representative Dan Burton (R-Ind), chairman of the committee on government reform and oversight. Signers include representative Doland Payne (D-MJ), representative Cynthia Kckinney (D-Ga), representative Edolphus Towns (D-NY), representative William Jefferson (D-La), representative James Trafficant (D-Ohio), representative Carlos Romero-Barcelo (D-PR), representative John Doolittle (R-Cal), representative Eni F.M. Faleomavaega (D-American Samoa), representative Richard Pombo (R-Cal), representative Wally Herger (R-Cal), representative Gary Condit (D-Cal), representative John Conyers (D-Mich), representative Nick Lampson (D-Tex), representative Howard (Buck) Mckeon (R-Cal), and representative Eva Clayton (D-NC).--APP



BSF involved in Sikhs massacre, says Adolfus
A member of US House of Representatives Adolfus Touns has said an independent report held the Indian government responsible for massacre of 35 Sikhs in Chattisinghpura near Srinagar in Occupied Kashmir. Speaking to the House of Representatives in Washington, the US Congressman said the gruesome incident took place when US President Bill Clinton was on an official visit to India. He said the US must not allow any country to continue such activities. He said the Indian intelligence agency RAW was responsible for the massacre of Sikhs. He called for an internationally-supervised plebiscite in Kashmir and in the Indian state of Punjab. He demanded the US should cut off all aid to India. He observed that dispute the proof of Indian Security Forces involvement in the massacre of Sikhs, Indian Minister Pramod Mahajan admitted that the security forces would not be punished for the killings of civilians as it could demoralise the Indian troops.

Comments:

Dear editor,

In my opinion the Sikhs were massacred by the Indian army because they were drinking, they said "jai hind" which means long live India, the so called "Muslim extremists" would never touch liquor or would say "jai hind". And why did the army came 8hrs late while they camp only 3km from the village. Muslim freedom fighters have nothing to do with Sikhs, in fact some Sikhs are helping Muslim freedom fighters for their struggle. These "Muslim extremists" would never harm innocent civilians, it is against the teachings of Islam to kill civilians. These were barbaric Indian army soldiers or pro Indian militia men, the so called "SOG" who staged it to blame this massacre on freedom fighters. Indian army has killed 36 of their own colleagues this year alone under the influence of alcohol and under extreme stress. This is stated by the Indian officials themselves, only last week, a CRPF personnel killed his two colleagues and then killed himself. This is the mentality of Indian army men who have so for killed more than 65,000 civilians and burnt hundreds of villages and our so called civilized and honest media is blind folded.

[Samad]

Originally Posted by methodman535

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:q2DAt0UF6xYJ:freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/727966/posts+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


That still works.

damn, thats messed up

[Samad]

Originally Posted by adren@line

and Ive come across many sources that say that is all complete BS.
Lets remember, the Indian Army's presence is a response to the terrorist jihadis that are infesting the Area.

thats not true man

[methodman535]

So yeah....while it may be true that there are muslim "terrorists" in kashmir, some operating with help from paki, saudi govt with funding from various sympathetic private parties...Im sure its also true that there are plenty of indian army hindus who have killed, raped and tortured kahsmiri civilians against indian law and against the Geneve convention also. Theres plenty of proof to back it up from many victims, some of them being americans and europeans as well so dont deny the war crimes samir.

[methodman535]

Originally Posted by Samad

damn, thats messed up

Well it might not all be true. In fact that might be why its in the cache and not up in real, who knows.

[punjabi_mundaa]

Originally Posted by samir

only the terrorist kashmiri brothers and sisters are bothered by the commandoes. If your a terrorist supporter than i'll contact the FBI

Don't give me that crap...Kashmiri Muslims that are attacking military targets are not terrorists...it's called war and retaliation from oppression...If you go to Pakistan..many of us like myself are part Kashmiri because our relatives fled from Indian occupation. The "Jihadis" only rose up after brute Indian force, curfews, murders, and rape of their daughter, mothers, and sisters. "Jihadis" don't just appear anywhere...there is injustice that breeds the conditions under which people are willing to give up their lives for the struggle. I don't support terrorism like 9-11...what is do support are the Kashmiri people and the Kashmiri martyrs who are fighting for justice

[paulie walnuts]

Originally Posted by punjabi_mundaa

Don't give me that crap...Kashmiri Muslims that are attacking military targets are not terrorists...it's called war and retaliation from oppression...If you go to Pakistan..many of us like myself are part Kashmiri because our relatives fled from Indian occupation. The "Jihadis" only rose up after brute Indian force, curfews, murders, and rape of their daughter, mothers, and sisters. "Jihadis" don't just appear anywhere...there is injustice that breeds the conditions under which people are willing to give up their lives for the struggle. I don't support terrorism like 9-11...what is do support are the Kashmiri people and the Kashmiri martyrs who are fighting for justice

If you go to India, you'll find 10x more hindus that fled from terrorists. Muslims get showered with the kashmiri muslim oppression stories, yet never do they hear of how every last Hindu was either slaughtered or chased the fu.ck out of their ancestral lands.

Tell me, what is the "justice" they are fighting for?

[NumbaOneStunna]

Originally Posted by paulie walnuts

If you go to India, you'll find 10x more hindus that fled from terrorists. Muslims get showered with the kashmiri muslim oppression stories, yet never do they hear of how every last Hindu was either slaughtered or chased the fu.ck out of their ancestral lands.

Tell me, what is the "justice" they are fighting for?

I have been to India and what you just said about 10 times more hindus fled from Kashmir is BULLSHIT

[samir]

ok give me one article from a responsible source such as the washington times. dont provide us with articles from council of khalistan which is a terrorist organization.


if washington times has reported anything similar to this than surely that article could be found in their archives. Why dont you retreive it.


furthermore, something like that would have been reported in indian newspapers and would be huge news. Since we both know nothing of the sort has happenned than obviously the article your posting you you agenda filled paki baffoon is untrue


now back to the commandoes i hope they kill some terrorists

[paulie walnuts]

Originally Posted by NumbaOneStunna

I have been to India and what you just said about 10 times more hindus fled from Kashmir is BULLSHIT

Wow, you've been to india? I guess that makes you the ultimate authority on the number of kashmiris who fled to india.

[samir]

Originally Posted by NumbaOneStunna

I have been to India and what you just said about 10 times more hindus fled from Kashmir is BULLSHIT

do you have any comman sense? by visiting india your not a historian of that land. You terrorist lovers your heroes have slaughtered 10's of thousands of kashmiri hindus. For that nobody likes muslims because muslims support terrorism be it in india, israel, spain, usa, russia. and ........ not all muslims support terrorism but a huge portion do


if you people want any sympathy than stop supporting terrorism and the slaughter of civilians

[NumbaOneStunna]

Originally Posted by paulie walnuts

Wow, you've been to india? I guess that makes you the ultimate authority on the number of kashmiris who fled to india.

It was you who mentioned "IF YOU GO TO INDIA..........." so i just remarked that i have infact been to india, seen those kashmiri pandits who you are talking about and also realised how useless your clami of 10 times was. Now please post some useful information instead of useless propaganda

[paulie walnuts]

Originally Posted by NumbaOneStunna

It was you who mentioned "IF YOU GO TO INDIA..........." so i just remarked that i have infact been to india, seen those kashmiri pandits who you are talking about and also realised how useless your clami of 10 times was. Now please post some useful information instead of useless propaganda

Ok, so basically, you were being an idiot. Understood. Now lets see, "Azad" Kashmir is virtually all muslim right now. Where did all the hindus go? the ones that didnt get murdered got chased the fu.ck out. Why would muslims flee? They're all still there. Hindus fled, muslims stayed. How is that hard to understand?