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Old February 22nd, 2007, 07:27 PM   #1
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The biggest Misconception regarding the term "Jatt" is defining it as a "Caste" as per the standards set by the Indian Caste System. Nothing can be far away from truth as this misconception. The fact that Jatt is a Race has been widely supported by both historians and raciologists working in this field and has been discussed in detail. Here are some negations and rebuttals to the false claim that Jatt is a so called "Caste". These rebuttals have not been and cannot be negated and the truth lies in the fact that Jatt is a Race and not a Caste as traditionally thought. Here are five rebuttals that will prove this point.

Rebuttal 1) ETHNIC NATURE: If you look at the Nature of a "Caste", you will notice that its spread throughout India. Eg Caste consists of professions divided into four Categories called Varnas. The Caste System, in its present form, is further based solely upon birth. Thus, as per Caste Rules, Farmer Profession is categorized under Vaisya Category (Varna). And Remember that as per Caste SYSTEM in its present form, this is to be based upon Birth i.e. Farmer's son MUST ONLY be Farmer if Caste System has to be maintained. This point will further be used as a rebuttal in proving how Jatt is not a Caste. Now talking about Ethnicity, you will notice that Caste is not Ethnic in nature at all. Eg a Priest living in North of India will belong to a Brahmin Caste and a Priest living in South of India will also belong to Brahmin Caste. THERE IS NO ETHNIC SIMILARITY HERE. In the same way, NOTE VERY CAREFULLY that a Farmer of North India will be a Vaish and a Farmer of South of India will also be a Vaish. This Logic leads us to conclude that IF Jatt is a Caste (assuming the proposition that Jatts are Farmers) then Jatts must also be Present uniformly throughout India, (just like Brahmins) the land where Caste System is present. But observation tells us that Jatts are only present in Punjab, Haryana and parts of Uttar Pardesh. This gives an Ethnic Nature to Jatt Identity strongly proving the case that assumption "Jatt means Farmer" is false and thereby further concluding assumption that Jatt is a Caste is False too. FIRST REBUTTAL OVER.

Rebuttal 2) RACE PRESENCE: It should be noted that this discussion is yet not concerned with Historical viewpoint and raciological and archaeological study of Jatt History. Its just about rebuttals to how Jatt is not a "Caste". What it is then, is a matter of study that will be made in further papers.
Caste is present in different Races. Eg Priestly Caste Brahmins are present in South Indian Dravidian Race as well as in North Indian Races. If its assumed that Jatt is a caste, why then are there no Jatts in, lets say, Dravidian Races? Again, the Ethnic Nature Rebuttal further strengthens this point and further helps this rebuttal in making yet another point in how Jatt is not a Caste.

Rebuttal 3) FUNDAMENTALS OF CASTES: All the fundamentals, rules and regulations of Castes are goverened by Religious Law Books such as Manusmriti written by a man called Manu. All of these books are part of Hinduism, written by Hindu Mystics. Two thirds of Jatt Community does not follow Hinduism and thereby Manusmriti, that defines and regulates the basic backbone of Caste System holds no relevance for this two thirds of Jatt Community who are not Hindus but are Jatts. Yet another strong rebuttal as how Jatt is not a Caste.

Rebuttal 4) PROFESSIONAL NATURE OF CASTES: Castes are professional in nature. Though Caste System further makes it a compulsion to make it based upon birth. But Jatts can be found in just any profession: Business, Politics, Sports and so on. Proving further Jatt is Not a Caste.

Rebuttal 5) CASTE-EXCOMMUNICATION: This is yet another important point. As a punitive measure, the Caste of a person can be degraded if some pre-defined rules are not set i.e. a person who is a Brahmin can be degraded to a Shudra Caste and so on. Thus Caste follows the rule of Ex-Communication. But a Jatt born among the Jatts can, under no condition, be ex-communicated. Good or Evil, a Jatt shall always remain a Jatt.

Together, the above five points of rebuttals thereby confirm the fact without doubt that Jatt is not a Caste.
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AND DON NOT TRY TO DRAG ME IN LOL
JUST SOME FACTS I THOUGHT I POST
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So like... the names... are supposed to be last names?
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jatt choudhary is a caste
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So Am I Jatt?




I'm confused.
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the only kinda caste i like is outkast!
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But observation tells us that Jatts are only present in Punjab, Haryana and parts of Uttar Pardesh.


Hindu Jats also reside in Rajasthan, Gujarat and MP.
kashmiri jatts reside in kashmeer.....

(i'm one of them)
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i am on the list..i am rakkar from majra jatta...near ropar
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hindu punjabis are not jatts
jatts are only in punjab of both pakistan and india
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the hindu punjabis are not jatts
i just want to clarify that
jatts can be hindu punjabi's, mostly rajputs hindus in punjab..not many hindu jatt punjabi's
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So Am I Jatt?




I'm confused.
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jatts can be hindu punjabi's, mostly rajputs hindus in punjab..not many hindu jatt punjabi's
no thats not true
maybe they converted or sumthing but the real ones are from punjab
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Nobody fucking cares. Being punjabi now is nothing but belonging to a group of bunch of raging alcoholics that provoke fights at every fucking function they go to.

Gosh... *fuck
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no thats not true
maybe they converted or sumthing but the real ones are from punjab
converted ? lol
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Nobody fucking cares. Being punjabi now is nothing but belonging to a group of bunch of raging alcoholics that provoke fights at every fucking function they go to.

Gosh... *fuck



Does that still go on? It happened when I was lil.
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Nobody fucking cares. Being punjabi now is nothing but belonging to a group of bunch of raging alcoholics that provoke fights at every fucking function they go to.

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u addvertise ur self more then any one by sticking jattnizz or on ur nic
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its a tribe not a caste yes.
jatts were tribes men. they fought for centuries with other settlers for land and power. ( maybe thats why the pride and anger ) before they settled down in western india / pakistan.!

rajputs are jatts aswell. but were converted to hindusm and named a warrior race. rajj ke poot. sons of the land.
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channa are mostly phappa's aka khatri...
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I know what I am but I dont really give a fuck. Just wondering how you can tell who's who just by last names...
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Does that still go on? It happened when I was lil.
Yes. It does. The new generation of American Punjabis have been the carrying on that tradition with flying colors.

P.S. Who cares if you're a Jatt or not.
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