A Thousand Nine-elevens

[junin]

this is a very interesting read




Soon, we will be seeing and reading about the fifth anniversary of 9-11 in the U.S. The event’s five-year mark will regenerate the vile passions in the U.S. public to avenge the downing of the World Trade Center buildings. Islamaphobia will become more rampant.

It’s about time that the average U.S. citizen drop the line "well what about 9-11?" when they speak of the administration’s desire to cleanse the world of evil. That incident occurred almost five years ago and will never duplicate itself. Nineteen Islamic fundamentalists got lucky because the U.S. let its guard down in its airport security. No amount of killing people on foreign soil will change 9-11-2001 and rewrite history. All that will do is incite others to attempt another 9-11.

Despite all the logic and clear-thinking about the reality of 9-11, most U.S. citizens still cite that date and keep trying to avenge the incident. A recent edition of the San Diego Union-Tribune published a letter from Christy King of Lakeside, CA, a suburb of San Diego. It was titled "Remember Sept. 11" and it stated:

I wonder where all you non-Bush supporters were on 9/11. How could you have not seen the horrific terror attack on our Free America? How can you forget that nearly 3,000 innocent people were killed? Our president and our uniformed forces are keeping the war off our soil to protect everybody, even you.

The Bush administration salivates every time it reads letters like this. The neo-cons even wished, in writing, prior to 9-11, that a "Pearl Harbor-like" incident would occur under the Bush watch. Not only did it occur, but it still is occurring in the feeble minds of many Americans.

If Ms. King were true to her philosophy, she should be decrying the innocent people who have been killed in Iraq since 1991 at the hands of three U.S. administrations, both Democrat and Republican. And, if she read only a few newspapers, even the propagandistic pro-Bush ones, she would realize that the 19 martyrs were not attacking a "Free America," but an imperialistic America that had caused havoc in the Arab and Muslim world.

Since August 2, 1990, the U.S. has killed almost three million Iraqis. The first Gulf War, the encompassing embargo and the current fiasco combine for between 2.5 million and three million deaths. In other words, Iraq has suffered ONE THOUSAND nine-elevens. That’s right, one thousand.

If Ms. King had watched the news over this time, she would have seen incinerated babies dragged from bomb shelters. She would have seen Iraqi cities imbedded in filth because the U.S. would not allow the Iraqis to import chlorine to purify the water system. And, the U.S. bragged about this when Schwarzkopf took to the microphone shortly after the Gulf War hostilities began and stated, "We’ve knocked out their drinking water. Soon, they will begin to acquire diarrhea and malnutrition." All the time, he was smiling when he forecast the dismal future for Iraq.

If Ms. King went a little further and, instead of surfing the Internet for Bible interpretation sites, looked for information about Iraq, she would have seen the headless bodies of eight-year-olds or the brains oozing out of a head that once belonged to a 10-year-old girl. She would also have seen the skeleton-like bodies of kids suffering from malnutrition.

Malnutrition was a long-forgotten disease in Iraq. I say "was" because it re-appeared after the Gulf War and stayed on with a vengeance. Before the 1991 slaughter, there had not been a case of malnutrition in Baghdad for decades. By the time of the March 2003 invasion, the Iraqi government, although still under blockade, had almost eradicated malnutrition again, only for it to become rampant after the illegal invasion and occupation.

Who cares? It seems no one in the U.S. government. And, for those Democrats who call the G.O.P. warmongers and uncivilized, it was Madeleine Albright, the Democrat Secretary of State who, in 1997, while being interviewed by Leslie Stahl and asked if the embargo was worth the deaths of almost a million children, coldly and precisely answered, "Yes."

Genocide is a term that has been liberally thrown around in the past decade. Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya have all been linked to the word. However, many, many more people have died in Iraq during this period, yet the word "genocide" is rarely heard, despite it being accurate: the targeting of a particular people for destruction.

Genocide was, is, and will be occurring in Iraq. The Jewish population always says, "Never again," in referencing the genocide perpetrated against their people in WWII. "Never again" are the most hollow words the Jews have uttered because they not only are quiet about the genocide being perpetrated against Iraq, many cheer it on.

A few years ago, it was discovered that Israel had perfected a biological weapon that could kill Arabs, yet was harmless to Jews. In addition, it could target Iraqi Arabs. All this sounds like science fiction, but because of the distinct differences yet closeness of Arab and Jewish DNA (Semites include about 95% Arabs and 5% Jews), it is now possible to create such a doomsday weapon. Israel has it. I guess "never again" does not apply to Arabs.

No, Iraq has undergone 1,000 nine-elevens. However, their thousand is even much more diabolical than if the U.S. had suffered that number of incidents.

At least after 9-11-2001, the American public could go on with life in the same manner as it had prior to that date: work, attend school, play sports, purchase goods, eat, drink, and whatever else was a part of a daily routine. Since March 1991, the Iraqis have not had that luxury. A country in which poverty had been eradicated and that was the crown jewel of modernity in the Arab world, became destitute and the once-thriving middle class quickly became the poor. For 12 years, the embargo not only killed millions, but it kept those still alive in a state of limbo between starvation and deprivation.

Today, it is even worse. No electricity; no gasoline; no heat in buildings; no jobs. Plenty of violence.

More than 100,000 innocent Iraqis have been and still are imprisoned. They have been brutalized, sodomized, victimized and whatever other ized there are. At least after 9-11, unless you are a Muslim, nobody was forced into prisons in the U.S.

No, each of the Iraqi 1,000 nine-elevens makes the one U.S. nine-eleven pale in comparison. The ongoing destruction of Fallujah is no exception. And, this is being performed in the name of Jesus.

For two days before the invasion began in earnest in November 2004, the U.S. Marines held a Christian revival on their base. Loudspeakers blared with Christian music and Christian speakers talking about God’s will. Chaplain-after-chaplain gave speeches telling the Marines they were going to kill on the side of God. The enemy was "Satan."

Maybe it’s my feeble atheist brain, but I can not conceive how the U.S. military could be transformed into a religious unit. I don’t believe that Jesus Christ ever existed, but, for sake of argument, let’s assume he did. Most Christians say they interpret Jesus Christ as a spokesman for love and tolerance. To us heathens, this is an honorable message. How then, can a bunch of Marines be chomping at the bit to kill for Christ? The mind boggles.

Last year, I received a message from my friend Dahr Jamail who was in Baghdad. He conveyed a couple of interesting thoughts. First, he said, "The good news is that interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi has announced a shortening of the curfew that most of Iraq is under. So now, rather than having to be off the streets by 10:30pm, we can stay out until 11:00pm before we are shot on sight."

He then told about the method of burying the dead in Fallujah: "Rather than burying full bodies, residents of Fallujah were burying legs and arms, and sometimes just skeletons as dogs have eaten the rest of the body."

I have yet to hear of an American citizen being eaten by a dog after 9-11-2001.

http://www.malcomlagauche.com/id1.html

[Persephone]

Yes, brilliant.
Let us compare all atrocities committed against Muslims in the last centaury or so and juxtapose it with 9/11 so we can come to a more deductive and empirical conclusion on how it affects our conscience.
Then, we can masquerade our senses and look at religion and the infinite hate against Muslims world-wide, as a mere scape goat for fear campaign from right wing extremists. A much more important issue than remembrance of the dead in 9/11.

Coupled with the speculative Zionist anti-Semitic view of DNA biological weapon developments, this article was automatically stamped ingenious.

Let us forget everything which has just happened just because "Nineteen Islamic fundamentalists got lucky" and let us quantify things so we can gather and focus our attention on things of more importance.

/end satire

[Spiky]

attrocities commited against Muslims in the last century???....Thats the problem with u....Irrational reasonings with zealous religious beliefs which are so obviously frail and insecure, that u almost cry for outside intervention, so that u cud blame all the shortcomings on them!

When u talk of so called "attrocities", a muslim is somehow entitled to incorporate "everyone"....."Attrocities against Muslims"...but when a non muslim talks abt "Muslim Terrorism", the outcries are fuckin loud and obnoxious....Just coz One of em is a terrorist doesnt mean everyone is Islam is....Dont judge all of US coz of one person..blahblah....Somehow a muslim feels its fine to generalize, but its not acceptable when a non muslim does...If u can see the correlation of what I mean.

Attrocities in the last century?? What has Islam given to the society in the last century? Any scientific advances worthwhile? Anything remotely worth praising it for...Islam, as usual, if u believe it or not, has involved itself in blindly tryin to propogate its religion in the last century while the world has advanced itself....Christianity in the last century had no influence whatsoever in scientific progress.... and what Middleeast is seeing now is ripples...Ofcourse, West has to be blamed, but those religious fanatics aint fuckin innocent either!

[fr00ti]

Incorporating religion with politics is wrong; whatever the religion maybe, Christianity or Islam. What has happened over the years is solely the cause of corrupted law and order. In addition to that they think fanaticism is the religion itself.

The world is screwed up in its own bias.

[junin]

Originally Posted by fr00ti

Incorporating religion with politics is wrong; whatever the religion maybe, Christianity or Islam. What has happened over the years is solely the cause of corrupted law and order. In addition to that they think fanaticism is the religion itself.

The world is screwed up in its own bias.

doesnt change the fact people still use religion as the means to an end.No matter how liberal a state there will always be religious factions in it... some mask it well others dont...

[london_guy]

Originally Posted by junin

this is a very interesting read..............

I thought it was a post on 1,000 Porsches, oh well

[Space-Cowboy]

Originally Posted by fr00ti

Incorporating religion with politics is wrong; whatever the religion maybe, Christianity or Islam. What has happened over the years is solely the cause of corrupted law and order. In addition to that they think fanaticism is the religion itself.

The world is screwed up in its own bias.

W3RD

[Space-Cowboy]

Originally Posted by junin

doesnt change the fact people still use religion as the means to an end.No matter how liberal a state there will always be religious factions in it... some mask it well others dont...

I think religion is a mask in itself, for corrupt minds, as a shield for their hidden intentions of greed and monetary gains..

[fr00ti]

Originally Posted by junin

doesnt change the fact people still use religion as the means to an end.No matter how liberal a state there will always be religious factions in it... some mask it well others dont...

That pretty much ruined the image of Islam and Christianity. More Islam, however. Some fanatics add more to the religion than they should.. They arent' freaking prophets. Therefore, every turban a white person sees, they'll whisper terrorist or perhaps shoot them at the gas-station.
Any white person seen on the streets of Iraq, shall be kidnapped and be-headed.

Hardcore fantascism has taken over most of the religions that revolve around politics. They say they do this in the name of god..They look down at one another with their actions.

It's the one minded thinking that makes them carry on as it is.. Even the wise ones are quite uneducated..

Humans are morons.. werd...I shall shut up now.

[cunninglinguist]

Originally Posted by Persephone

Yes, brilliant.
Let us compare all atrocities committed against Muslims in the last centaury or so and juxtapose it with 9/11 so we can come to a more deductive and empirical conclusion on how it affects our conscience.
Then, we can masquerade our senses and look at religion and the infinite hate against Muslims world-wide, as a mere scape goat for fear campaign from right wing extremists. A much more important issue than remembrance of the dead in 9/11.

Coupled with the speculative Zionist anti-Semitic view of DNA biological weapon developments, this article was automatically stamped ingenious.

Let us forget everything which has just happened just because "Nineteen Islamic fundamentalists got lucky" and let us quantify things so we can gather and focus our attention on things of more importance.

/end satire

...that was beautiful
marry me?

[Infamous_Punjabi]

Originally Posted by junin

this is a very interesting read




Soon, we will be seeing and reading about the fifth anniversary of 9-11 in the U.S. The event’s five-year mark will regenerate the vile passions in the U.S. public to avenge the downing of the World Trade Center buildings. Islamaphobia will become more rampant.

It’s about time that the average U.S. citizen drop the line "well what about 9-11?" when they speak of the administration’s desire to cleanse the world of evil. That incident occurred almost five years ago and will never duplicate itself. Nineteen Islamic fundamentalists got lucky because the U.S. let its guard down in its airport security. No amount of killing people on foreign soil will change 9-11-2001 and rewrite history. All that will do is incite others to attempt another 9-11.

Despite all the logic and clear-thinking about the reality of 9-11, most U.S. citizens still cite that date and keep trying to avenge the incident. A recent edition of the San Diego Union-Tribune published a letter from Christy King of Lakeside, CA, a suburb of San Diego. It was titled "Remember Sept. 11" and it stated:

I wonder where all you non-Bush supporters were on 9/11. How could you have not seen the horrific terror attack on our Free America? How can you forget that nearly 3,000 innocent people were killed? Our president and our uniformed forces are keeping the war off our soil to protect everybody, even you.

The Bush administration salivates every time it reads letters like this. The neo-cons even wished, in writing, prior to 9-11, that a "Pearl Harbor-like" incident would occur under the Bush watch. Not only did it occur, but it still is occurring in the feeble minds of many Americans.

If Ms. King were true to her philosophy, she should be decrying the innocent people who have been killed in Iraq since 1991 at the hands of three U.S. administrations, both Democrat and Republican. And, if she read only a few newspapers, even the propagandistic pro-Bush ones, she would realize that the 19 martyrs were not attacking a "Free America," but an imperialistic America that had caused havoc in the Arab and Muslim world.

Since August 2, 1990, the U.S. has killed almost three million Iraqis. The first Gulf War, the encompassing embargo and the current fiasco combine for between 2.5 million and three million deaths. In other words, Iraq has suffered ONE THOUSAND nine-elevens. That’s right, one thousand.

If Ms. King had watched the news over this time, she would have seen incinerated babies dragged from bomb shelters. She would have seen Iraqi cities imbedded in filth because the U.S. would not allow the Iraqis to import chlorine to purify the water system. And, the U.S. bragged about this when Schwarzkopf took to the microphone shortly after the Gulf War hostilities began and stated, "We’ve knocked out their drinking water. Soon, they will begin to acquire diarrhea and malnutrition." All the time, he was smiling when he forecast the dismal future for Iraq.

If Ms. King went a little further and, instead of surfing the Internet for Bible interpretation sites, looked for information about Iraq, she would have seen the headless bodies of eight-year-olds or the brains oozing out of a head that once belonged to a 10-year-old girl. She would also have seen the skeleton-like bodies of kids suffering from malnutrition.

Malnutrition was a long-forgotten disease in Iraq. I say "was" because it re-appeared after the Gulf War and stayed on with a vengeance. Before the 1991 slaughter, there had not been a case of malnutrition in Baghdad for decades. By the time of the March 2003 invasion, the Iraqi government, although still under blockade, had almost eradicated malnutrition again, only for it to become rampant after the illegal invasion and occupation.

Who cares? It seems no one in the U.S. government. And, for those Democrats who call the G.O.P. warmongers and uncivilized, it was Madeleine Albright, the Democrat Secretary of State who, in 1997, while being interviewed by Leslie Stahl and asked if the embargo was worth the deaths of almost a million children, coldly and precisely answered, "Yes."

Genocide is a term that has been liberally thrown around in the past decade. Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya have all been linked to the word. However, many, many more people have died in Iraq during this period, yet the word "genocide" is rarely heard, despite it being accurate: the targeting of a particular people for destruction.

Genocide was, is, and will be occurring in Iraq. The Jewish population always says, "Never again," in referencing the genocide perpetrated against their people in WWII. "Never again" are the most hollow words the Jews have uttered because they not only are quiet about the genocide being perpetrated against Iraq, many cheer it on.

A few years ago, it was discovered that Israel had perfected a biological weapon that could kill Arabs, yet was harmless to Jews. In addition, it could target Iraqi Arabs. All this sounds like science fiction, but because of the distinct differences yet closeness of Arab and Jewish DNA (Semites include about 95% Arabs and 5% Jews), it is now possible to create such a doomsday weapon. Israel has it. I guess "never again" does not apply to Arabs.

No, Iraq has undergone 1,000 nine-elevens. However, their thousand is even much more diabolical than if the U.S. had suffered that number of incidents.

At least after 9-11-2001, the American public could go on with life in the same manner as it had prior to that date: work, attend school, play sports, purchase goods, eat, drink, and whatever else was a part of a daily routine. Since March 1991, the Iraqis have not had that luxury. A country in which poverty had been eradicated and that was the crown jewel of modernity in the Arab world, became destitute and the once-thriving middle class quickly became the poor. For 12 years, the embargo not only killed millions, but it kept those still alive in a state of limbo between starvation and deprivation.

Today, it is even worse. No electricity; no gasoline; no heat in buildings; no jobs. Plenty of violence.

More than 100,000 innocent Iraqis have been and still are imprisoned. They have been brutalized, sodomized, victimized and whatever other ized there are. At least after 9-11, unless you are a Muslim, nobody was forced into prisons in the U.S.

No, each of the Iraqi 1,000 nine-elevens makes the one U.S. nine-eleven pale in comparison. The ongoing destruction of Fallujah is no exception. And, this is being performed in the name of Jesus.

For two days before the invasion began in earnest in November 2004, the U.S. Marines held a Christian revival on their base. Loudspeakers blared with Christian music and Christian speakers talking about God’s will. Chaplain-after-chaplain gave speeches telling the Marines they were going to kill on the side of God. The enemy was "Satan."

Maybe it’s my feeble atheist brain, but I can not conceive how the U.S. military could be transformed into a religious unit. I don’t believe that Jesus Christ ever existed, but, for sake of argument, let’s assume he did. Most Christians say they interpret Jesus Christ as a spokesman for love and tolerance. To us heathens, this is an honorable message. How then, can a bunch of Marines be chomping at the bit to kill for Christ? The mind boggles.

Last year, I received a message from my friend Dahr Jamail who was in Baghdad. He conveyed a couple of interesting thoughts. First, he said, "The good news is that interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi has announced a shortening of the curfew that most of Iraq is under. So now, rather than having to be off the streets by 10:30pm, we can stay out until 11:00pm before we are shot on sight."

He then told about the method of burying the dead in Fallujah: "Rather than burying full bodies, residents of Fallujah were burying legs and arms, and sometimes just skeletons as dogs have eaten the rest of the body."

I have yet to hear of an American citizen being eaten by a dog after 9-11-2001.

http://www.malcomlagauche.com/id1.html

OSAMA HUSSEIN

[desi_uk]

Originally Posted by junin

doesnt change the fact people still use religion as the means to an end.No matter how liberal a state there will always be religious factions in it... some mask it well others dont...

The people you are talking about are following a religion but would do the same acts even if they wernt following a religion. Religion is not the issue man is.

[cunninglinguist]

Originally Posted by desi_uk

The people you are talking about are following a religion but would do the same acts even if they wernt following a religion. Religion is not the issue man is.

i like the impartiality of your replies
but let me put this to you
why is it that most of the men, as you state, that cause the atrocities against fellow men, are in fact "muslim" ?

[desi_uk]

Originally Posted by cunninglinguist

i like the impartiality of your replies
but let me put this to you
why is it that most of the men, as you state, that cause the atrocities against fellow men, are in fact "muslim" ?

simple answer is they dont but they are portrayed in the media more than other people who are doing the same stuff.

E.g the IRA were the 1st people ever to bomb in mainland Britain after ww2.
Yet that was in the papers for a few months now people have forgotten.
Muslims are portrayed more in the media so more people are aware of this.
Add on the fact that the war on 'terror' is only aimed at muslims and muslim countries.
The west needs a common enemy to unite itself and make itself stronger we have seen evidence of this in the past with communism, Africa etc.
Now the focus is on muslims 2mrw maybe someone else.

The root of this problem lays from foriegn polices of the west on the rest of the world and for continuing invasions of country after country. China is growing and is going to overtake the west and then China will be enemy number 1.
They needed an excuse and now they have one.