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Old August 15th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #1
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I thought it was perfectly legitimate for both men and women to uphold their "vows of chastity" in view of tradition and religion. But over time and after reading a dozen or so papers on sex's correlation with violence, I am absolutely convinced that humans need to "tear down the walls of sexual repression".

There are too many pieces of scientific evidence which show that a societies operation of sexually repressive laws will produce significant problems for both women and men.
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Old August 15th, 2011, 10:03 PM   #2
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why did you think it was okay/support it before?
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Old August 15th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #3
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why did you think it was okay/support it before?
Tolerance. I had the typical "anthropologist in some remote part of the amazonian jungle" view. I respected the fact that people did things in view of tradition, but now, in view of science, and how these things have a strong correlation to violence, one can't help but speak against something that is at the heart of the world's ills.
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Old August 15th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #5
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Tolerance. I had the typical "anthropologist in some remote part of the amazonian jungle" view. I respected the fact that people did things in view of tradition, but now, in view of science, and how these things have a strong correlation to violence, one can't help but speak against something that is at the heart of the world's ills.
is waiting until marriage the problem, or is it the amount of time they remain a virgin? e.g. if someone believes in this and waits until they marry at age 22, vs. a 30 year old virgin.
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is waiting until marriage the problem, or is it the amount of time they remain a virgin? e.g. if someone believes in this and waits until they marry at age 22, vs. a 30 year old virgin.
Both: the entire concept of waiting for marriage, the clouded-perceptions of "valuable virginity". It's not only retarded on a religiou/social front, but the consequences go above and beyond towards "violence".
In India, after a short time, the first sex operator telephone line had to be stopped because it got flooded with phone calls that caused its callers to go broke.
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Pornography exists everywhere, of course, but when it comes into societies in which it’s difficult for young men and women to get together and do what young men and women often like doing, it satisfies a more general need. While doing so, it sometimes becomes a kind of standard-bearer for freedom, even civilisation… It may be that more permissive societies have less need for porn, and certainly they don`t need to turn blue movies into icons of revolution or peace ...

If the restrictions on ordinary social, romantic and sexual relations that [less permissive] societies impose were to wither away, the need for pornography would very likely diminish, too ... If Western pornography is a symptom of Western decadence, then Eastern pornography is a side-effect of Eastern repressions. Pornography is almost always an effect, or a dramatic symptom of some non-pornographic social malaise. It is almost never a cause.
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Old August 15th, 2011, 10:55 PM   #8
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In analyzing data from 49 societies, Prescott found lower violence rates in cultures having high levels of infant physical affection and high acceptance of sexual expression. On the other hand, violence rates were elevated in cultures that were not very physically affectionate toward infants or were highly sexually repressed.
JW Prescott, cited by 181 different papers.
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I thought it was perfectly legitimate for both men and women to uphold their "vows of chastity" in view of tradition and religion. But over time and after reading a dozen or so papers on sex's correlation with violence, I am absolutely convinced that humans need to "tear down the walls of sexual repression".

There are too many pieces of scientific evidence which show that a societies operation of sexually repressive laws will produce significant problems for both women and men.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 02:52 AM   #10
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^ The thing with these clips is that the individuals are desperate, fleeting, and wanting. Their wandering hands have no idea what they are doing, trying arbitrarily to find some special region that will give answers to why their minds are so conflicted. This is a direct consequence to sexual repression. Individuals who thirst for sex, like a thirsty man's thirst for water after not drinking for 3 days in the sahara! Crawling, crawling, crawling, becoming irrational in the process, a fight for survival -- using violence, using any means possibly to thwart competitors.
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You are right echy

Examples of two ends of the spectrum; Saudi Arabia and Sweden (or similar)

The proof is in the pudding.
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Can't violence increase as society becomes more focused on sexuality?
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JW Prescott, cited by 181 different papers.
You quoted that "... violence rates were elevated in cultures that were not very physically affectionate toward infants or were highly sexually repressed."

Does the study stratify by each of the two? Or is it assuming a high degree of correlation between physical affection towards infant and sexual repression?

If the two are not correlated then what is the breakdown in the 49 societies? How many of them demonstrate the physical affection and violence link and how many demonstrate the sexual repression and violence link? Also, how many, if any, societies have both factors being linked to analysis?

If the two are correlated then which is the dominant one and should the analysis of one adjust for the other so as to assess the independent effect of each of the two factors (namely, affection and repression)?

I do believe that sexual repression does cause violence although it would be interesting to see how much of the violence is independently associated with repression as opposed to co-factors or confounders that may either be the cause of or the result of the repression. The solution would differ based on the relationship of repression to violence with respect to any causal pathway.
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Most of the data was collected from ethnic people of primitive societies - tribal groups... maoris, samoans etc.

He then tabulated the ethnicities in accordance with 4 different cultural behaviors:
Low/High Adult Physical Violence, Low/High Infant Physical Affection
and produced corresponding matrices

He found a great correlation with infant physical affection and low adult violence. There were a few cultures which had high infant physical affection and high adult violence, all of these cultures but one, had premarital conditions for sex.
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Can't violence increase as society becomes more focused on sexuality?
"becomes more focused"
I think what this paper argues is "abnormal focus on sexuality". Not to say that porn is abnormal, but a sexually free society will have lesser need for pornography than one which is repressed. I do recall India having to close down their first sex hotline because all its customers were going broke. In a society which is sexually focused, for instance, America has heavily sexualised media - look at your basic Britney Spears video clip - but still a puritanical undercurrent and a religious right who want schools to teach abstinence and religious sexual law. You will find that people are "focusing" heavily on sex without the "touch" element that Prescott is talking about. I think what's happening in America and to a greater extent the Anglo-world, is that people, particularly the youth, have porn-idols and have a greater inclination to porn than their continental and northern-european counterparts.

I say this because, on a study of sexual-repression, most anglo women exhibited more value towards sex after marriage than their european friends, but there, exists, a pornographic culture where youth are emulating their porn idols in various courting settings.

Many anglo women are very "abstract" in the way they project themselves i.e. they have a subconscious desire to be worshiped as a sex idol, one that "through observation" has value, one that projects sexuality. The anglo man, on the other hand, wants to project his dominance and power -- and this is where the "violence" element comes into it.

Because there is a constant need for "projection" and "abstraction" rather than real-touch-related interactions, women are constantly resorting to cosmetics/plastic-surgery to "project" and men are resorting to supplements.

There is a whole list of health issues related to this projection-validation process, both mental and physical.
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