DJs...Music People

[musicchic33]

how does one mix songs?..idk if that's even the right terminology but whatever..think along the lines of a DJ or something

so you buy all that equipment and then what?..do you just have to play around with it and then figure it out?...random question...so all those RD dj people answer me... i'm curious to know how this stuff works

I wanna play around with it as a hobby..so what beginner equipment do I buy and stuff?

(I know i had a thread lke this yesterday...but I need more input)

[americanmohit]

for the begining, just buy an old fashioned gramophone and do practice if it goes well with ya..lolz.....heh :p

[TechPhunk]

if you're low on money I suggest taking the route of the CDJ. You load your mp3's onto the cd as .Wav's and play them via a cd player that emulates a turntable.

There's also programs you can use such as Ableton Live 4 or Native Instruments Traktor Studio.

Unless you're heavy into mixing and dj'ing and depending on your style (I do Progressive House and Tech-House), the type of mixer will vary.

It all depends on what you want. If you have the money to spend and want to use vinyl, than we can start from there. Give me an idea of what your aiming for I can try and help you get started.

the setup I use:
The cdj is on both the left and right. The vinyl decks are at the 11:00 and 1:00 position and mixer is in the center.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/Localizer/stupid%20shit/Tables1.jpg

[belder]

acid pro

[Dj Dhaliwal]

acid pro

acid sux ass
ah well each to their own

[Dj Dhaliwal]

if you're low on money I suggest taking the route of the CDJ. You load your mp3's onto the cd as .Wav's and play them via a cd player that emulates a turntable.

There's also programs you can use such as Ableton Live 4 or Native Instruments Traktor Studio.

Unless you're heavy into mixing and dj'ing and depending on your style (I do Progressive House and Tech-House), the type of mixer will vary.

It all depends on what you want. If you have the money to spend and want to use vinyl, than we can start from there. Give me an idea of what your aiming for I can try and help you get started.

the setup I use:
The cdj is on both the left and right. The vinyl decks are at the 11:00 and 1:00 position and mixer is in the center.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/Localizer/stupid%20shit/Tables.jpg




like the set up !!!
looks good
wish i had something liek that at home

[TechPhunk]

aye thanks man...Took a lot of work to get that equipment and soon there'll be an Allen & Heath Xone 92 replacing that DJM500 ;)

[5abi_outlaw]

daym bro..u got that shit loaded upp...

[TechPhunk]

Ya but the question is how many brown dj's actually make it. Look to hear my productions within the progressive house scene within a year. ;)

[Ketamine-Abuse]

Great advice. Ever notice how many brown dj's there are? Its fricken crazy, to think about it i only know a couple non-brown dj's. But its all good, brown dj's spin betta neways.


Thats probably because you tend to hang out with more asian people. :rolleyes:

[djskee]

ive got some soundlab belt drives if u want them. theyve been with me for years. cant get rid of em. urs for free

[musicchic33]

ive got some soundlab belt drives if u want them. theyve been with me for years. cant get rid of em. urs for free

fo' rizzle? :eek: :sarb:

happy birthday :bhapi:

[dj XeNo]

how does one mix songs?..idk if that's even the right terminology but whatever..think along the lines of a DJ or something

so you buy all that equipment and then what?..do you just have to play around with it and then figure it out?...random question...so all those RD dj people answer me... i'm curious to know how this stuff works

I wanna play around with it as a hobby..so what beginner equipment do I buy and stuff?

(I know i had a thread lke this yesterday...but I need more input)

Don't listen to all these ppl telling you to get software. All you need is two turntables and a mixer, don't play cds, buy vinyl like a real dj.

Get the Technics 1200 MK2 turntables, they are expensive, but there really isn't any other alternative and you will thank me in the future.

As for mixing, it will take you months or up to a year to learn, depending upon how musical your talents are.

The basic process goes like this......you have one song playing on one turntable....and you listen to the other song that's about to come in on the other turntable with your headphones.

Now what you want to do is match the tempo of the song thats about to come in with the one that is playing....this will take lots of practices...you have to make sure the beats are in sync with each other.....once this gets down.....you can begin to mix. Cue up the song that you want to bring in by holding it at the first kick drum...and launch it when you hear the kick drum of the song that's already playing....you want to make sure the beats are hitting at the same time from both songs.....then bring your crossfader over and you're mixing.

This is the basic process, once you get this down you will have to learn how to count bars so when you mix you are actually "phase matching" both songs and the bars of each song are in sync so your mix sounds musical.

I know I probably confused the hell out of you, so feel free to PM me or hit me up online.

Take a listen to some of my mixes and hindi remixes:

www.djxeno.com/mixes.php

www.djxeno.com/tracks.php

it's nice to see a desi girl get into the art of djing :cool:

[TechPhunk]

Don't listen to all these ppl telling you to get software. All you need is two turntables and a mixer, don't play cds, buy vinyl like a real dj.

Get the Technics 1200 MK2 turntables, they are expensive, but there really isn't any other alternative and you will thank me in the future.

As for mixing, it will take you months or up to a year to learn, depending upon how musical your talents are.

The basic process goes like this......you have one song playing on one turntable....and you listen to the other song that's about to come in on the other turntable with your headphones.

Now what you want to do is match the tempo of the song thats about to come in with the one that is playing....this will take lots of practices...you have to make sure the beats are in sync with each other.....once this gets down.....you can begin to mix. Cue up the song that you want to bring in by holding it at the first kick drum...and launch it when you hear the kick drum of the song that's already playing....you want to make sure the beats are hitting at the same time from both songs.....then bring your crossfader over and you're mixing.

This is the basic process, once you get this down you will have to learn how to count bars so when you mix you are actually "phase matching" both songs and the bars of each song are in sync so your mix sounds musical.

I know I probably confused the hell out of you, so feel free to PM me or hit me up online.

Take a listen to some of my mixes and hindi remixes:

www.djxeno.com/mixes.php

www.djxeno.com/tracks.php

it's nice to see a desi girl get into the art of djing :cool:



Christ man, you give them options to choose from. If they don't like it, then that means they didn't blow $1000+ in gear. And no cd's? but you have the Technics SL-DZ1200 in your banner? okkkk


"As for mixing, it will take you months or up to a year to learn, depending upon how musical your talents are."

It's not music talent, it's called training your ear, and even after a year there are tons of tracks, espescially in Tech-House that have a problem with going out of sync really fast because of the time alotted in say a 5-6 minute track as opposed to a track that's 8-10 min. But you should already know that right?



btw....your tl is wrong for mixology

the first track is Grassinimoto - Cosmic Morse Code


Mike Monday - Get Down [D.Ramirez Mix]
Made by Monkeys - I Try [Peter Rauhofer Future Mix]
Murk - Believe [Superchumbo Mix]
When is Dark - The Love You Need [DJ Vibe Remix]
Marcelo Castelli - Iberoamerica E.P. [On Drums]
DJ Elias - Burnin Drums of Fire [Original Stomp Mix]
DJ Vibe and Peter the Zuok - Solid Textures [Dub mix]
Landa - Pureness [Amiad Remix]
21st Century Fox - Sunspirit [Original Mix]
Samsara - Afterthought [Original Mix]

[dj XeNo]

Christ man, you give them options to choose from. If they don't like it, then that means they didn't blow $1000+ in gear. And no cd's? but you have the Technics SL-DZ1200 in your banner? okkkk

LOL i like how it looks. Rest assured, I buy crazy vinyl. :cool:

"As for mixing, it will take you months or up to a year to learn, depending upon how musical your talents are."

It's not music talent, it's called training your ear, and even after a year there are tons of tracks, espescially in Tech-House that have a problem with going out of sync really fast because of the time alotted in say a 5-6 minute track as opposed to a track that's 8-10 min. But you should already know that right?

What I meant to say is, if you played an instrument before, you will have less trouble picking it up.

A track will not go out of sync if it's quantized and you have it beatmatched perfectly, it'll pretty much stay there as long as you want it too.

What label is your stuff coming out on?

[TechPhunk]

LOL i like how it looks. Rest assured, I buy crazy vinyl. :cool:



What I meant to say is, if you played an instrument before, you will have less trouble picking it up.

A track will not go out of sync if it's quantized and you have it beatmatched perfectly, it'll pretty much stay there as long as you want it too.

What label is your stuff coming out on?

Quantizing is keeping notes to scale rather than freeform movement of your keys. All tracks, once beatmatched and if you don't touch the pitch control after, will go out of sync. It's timing related issues, that's why you have to ride your pitch or jog your vinyl/cd to keep the beats matched. The only tracks that will ever stay beatmatched for a long period of time are tracks that are very short and are a duplicate of the other one.

As for labels, it's either with Angora, Toes in the Sand, or one of the labels within the 3beat label management group.

It's not meant to put you down man, I'm just trying to give you insight on what actually goes on.

[dj XeNo]

All tracks, once beatmatched and if you don't touch the pitch control after, will go out of sync. It's timing related issues, that's why you have to ride your pitch or jog your vinyl/cd to keep the beats matched. The only tracks that will ever stay beatmatched for a long period of time are tracks that are very short and are a duplicate of the other one.



That's not true at all. If you've matched them correctly, they will stay there. If my beat mix is on point, I never have to touch the pitch to keep it matched.

And trust me, I know what's going on, I've been spinning for 8 years now.

[dj XeNo]

btw....your tl is wrong for mixology

the first track is Grassinimoto - Cosmic Morse Code


Mike Monday - Get Down [D.Ramirez Mix]
Made by Monkeys - I Try [Peter Rauhofer Future Mix]
Murk - Believe [Superchumbo Mix]
When is Dark - The Love You Need [DJ Vibe Remix]
Marcelo Castelli - Iberoamerica E.P. [On Drums]
DJ Elias - Burnin Drums of Fire [Original Stomp Mix]
DJ Vibe and Peter the Zuok - Solid Textures [Dub mix]
Landa - Pureness [Amiad Remix]
21st Century Fox - Sunspirit [Original Mix]
Samsara - Afterthought [Original Mix]

I know. I had to remove it because Tone Control Music didn't want it there :sarb:

[musicchic33]

ahh you guys are awesome for replying and I'll respond to each of ur posts most def in a few minutes..but this question just popped into my head....

- you know how djs mix artists/bands songs and whatev...and then they put out cds with those mixes..can't they get sued for using songs that aren't theirs?..do you get what I'm saying? :sarb:

like using that stuff in clubs won't get u in trouble, right?..but selling that stuff as ur own can? idk..just wondering

[djskee]

dont worry abt them two. jus get a basic setup decksx2...mixer.

[musicchic33]

dont worry abt them two. jus get a basic setup decksx2...mixer.
how much do those go for? :neutral:

(and does the offer for the soundlab belt drives still stand? ) :think: :)

[pr1nce ch4rming]

once your good at mixing.. ill play dhol for you to mixi in rap songs n shite..
for free

[musicchic33]

once your good at mixing.. ill play dhol for you to mixi in rap songs n shite..
for free

aww for real? :kiss:

how long have you been playing dhol for?...(or was that a joke? :neutral: )

[TechPhunk]

ahh you guys are awesome for replying and I'll respond to each of ur posts most def in a few minutes..but this question just popped into my head....

- you know how djs mix artists/bands songs and whatev...and then they put out cds with those mixes..can't they get sued for using songs that aren't theirs?..do you get what I'm saying? :sarb:

like using that stuff in clubs won't get u in trouble, right?..but selling that stuff as ur own can? idk..just wondering


A lot of the times the remix rights are given to dj's. Sometimes you have a mashup but a lot of artists lend their music samples to producers to remix the work. It'll surprise you how many rock/hip-hop artists look at dj's/producers to remix their work.

[TechPhunk]

how much do those go for? :neutral:

(and does the offer for the soundlab belt drives still stand? ) :think: :)


ewww don't get belt drives lol. Even if you're a beginner learning how to spin, direct drives work best. But in all seriousness though, you have to look at your budget. There's already been 2 people that have told you to get 2 decks and a mixer. Problem is, if you aren't totally serious enough about it, you've blown anywhere from 200-$1200 or more. To give you an idea, international vinyl (cause you live in the US) runs around 9.99 - 11.99 and domestic vinyls (pressed in the US) run around 6.99. And those are for each one that you buy.

[pr1nce ch4rming]

aww for real? :kiss:

how long have you been playing dhol for?...(or was that a joke? :neutral: )
well im 15.... i first started trying to play when i was like 9... cuz my bro wante dit.. then never played so.. i just played it and so im pretty good now.. im only 15 so ill get better n better when i get older n older innit

[TechPhunk]

That's not true at all. If you've matched them correctly, they will stay there. If my beat mix is on point, I never have to touch the pitch to keep it matched.

And trust me, I know what's going on, I've been spinning for 8 years now.


Ug, mixing for 8 years means nothing if you don't have a grasp of the physics behind music. I can hear your beats drifting away on your mixes. If you match them, they will stay matched for an alotted amount of time before they drift.

You can dload a mix of mine at djkabir.net

[TechPhunk]

That's not true at all. If you've matched them correctly, they will stay there. If my beat mix is on point, I never have to touch the pitch to keep it matched.

And trust me, I know what's going on, I've been spinning for 8 years now.

double post.

[musicchic33]

A lot of the times the remix rights are given to dj's. Sometimes you have a mashup but a lot of artists lend their music samples to producers to remix the work. It'll surprise you how many rock/hip-hop artists look at dj's/producers to remix their work.

but they have to like negotiate things right?..like you just can't remix a song and sell on ur own, right?...

like if a lessre known DJ wanted to mix songs and whatev ..they wouldn't be able to get away with that ... :sarb:

[musicchic33]

well im 15.... i first started trying to play when i was like 9... cuz my bro wante dit.. then never played so.. i just played it and so im pretty good now.. im only 15 so ill get better n better when i get older n older innit

ohh that's hot :) keep playing and getting better :dance3:

[musicchic33]

ewww don't get belt drives lol. Even if you're a beginner learning how to spin, direct drives work best. But in all seriousness though, you have to look at your budget. There's already been 2 people that have told you to get 2 decks and a mixer. Problem is, if you aren't totally serious enough about it, you've blown anywhere from 200-$1200 or more. To give you an idea, international vinyl (cause you live in the US) runs around 9.99 - 11.99 and domestic vinyls (pressed in the US) run around 6.99. And those are for each one that you buy.

so basically what's a good budget for an extreme beginner? lol
the idea of dj'ing was always something that intersted me..I <3 music and for the longest while I've wanted to play aroudn with it

but like you said it most def will be a costly hobby...but it's worth it, right?

okay lol..stupid question but aren't there other option other than vinyl?

[TechPhunk]

but they have to like negotiate things right?..like you just can't remix a song and sell on ur own, right?...

like if a lessre known DJ wanted to mix songs and whatev ..they wouldn't be able to get away with that ... :sarb:


It depends, most big artists don't even know, and most big artists probably won't even care just because the royalties would be way too small. A lot of artists don't frown upon us reworking their tracks because it is something very different. Now if someone was to make a cd that was going to published and sold in stores like Virgin, then yes, we would need to obtain the rights to publish the song onto a cd.

[pr1nce ch4rming]

ohh that's hot :) keep playing and getting better :dance3:


yyyeah

i play for my bhangra team ready.. played at a few weddings n shyt

[deathorders]

Jockeying is a fantastic process, but the real challenge lies in creating your own beats....

Manvel, an upcoming Producer....
his beats are good nuff to be compared with Paul Van DYk/Oakenfold












HE`S ONLY 16.

[deathorders]

Ug, mixing for 8 years means nothing if you don't have a grasp of the physics behind music. I can hear your beats drifting away on your mixes. If you match them, they will stay matched for an alotted amount of time before they drift.

You can dload a mix of mine at djkabir.net


Not wanting to be a critic, but he also needs to tone down on his High Freqs.

[TechPhunk]

so basically what's a good budget for an extreme beginner? lol
the idea of dj'ing was always something that intersted me..I <3 music and for the longest while I've wanted to play aroudn with it

but like you said it most def will be a costly hobby...but it's worth it, right?

okay lol..stupid question but aren't there other option other than vinyl?

ATM, I'd not go over a $300. That is for the set up. You'll still need to get some headphones and if you don't have already, some speakers to use as monitors. If you have a home stereo system in your room or something along those lines, that will suffice.


You can purchase the cdj's or even use computer programs. With the cdj's, you can load up a burnt cd and put it into a cdj that replicates that of an actual vinyl turntable. You're not turning your head away from vinyl, you're just taking a better approach toward dj'ing. If you feel you like it, you can save up and get vinyl decks too. There's so many combinations that you can use with a setup. I like being versatile and unique with my key blending so I use the 2 cdj's, 2 vinyl decks, and am now incorporating a program known as Ableton Live which lets you do some crazy stuff on the fly.


I'm gonna head to the gym and then off to work so I won't be back till later tonight if you have any more questions. You can also dload a mix of mine at www.djkabir.net ;) WHen I get back, I'll try and help you find some gear.

[deathorders]

WHen I get back, I'll try and help you find some gear.


ur mix transitions are marvelous, that was quite a long one u pulled off...

[TechPhunk]

ur mix transitions are marvelous, that was quite a long one u pulled off...


thanks for the feedback man ;). Greatly appreciated.

[musicchic33]

yyyeah

i play for my bhangra team ready.. played at a few weddings n shyt

ohh that's cool :) getting experience and whateve

(and you kinda do look like Jay Sean lolz..the shape of ur face and ur hair...it's a good thing though :)

[musicchic33]

ATM, I'd not go over a $300. That is for the set up. You'll still need to get some headphones and if you don't have already, some speakers to use as monitors. If you have a home stereo system in your room or something along those lines, that will suffice.


You can purchase the cdj's or even use computer programs. With the cdj's, you can load up a burnt cd and put it into a cdj that replicates that of an actual vinyl turntable. You're not turning your head away from vinyl, you're just taking a better approach toward dj'ing. If you feel you like it, you can save up and get vinyl decks too. There's so many combinations that you can use with a setup. I like being versatile and unique with my key blending so I use the 2 cdj's, 2 vinyl decks, and am now incorporating a program known as Ableton Live which lets you do some crazy stuff on the fly.


I'm gonna head to the gym and then off to work so I won't be back till later tonight if you have any more questions. You can also dload a mix of mine at www.djkabir.net ;) WHen I get back, I'll try and help you find some gear.
I'm googling and doing some online research on cdj...and they seem cool but I have yet another question lolz..so a few weeks back I went to this wedding and the dj had such a simple set up...including a laptop where I guess most his music was stored or something..so basicaly my question is what kinda djing can you do with music you dl off the internet and stuff and is that possible or was he just playing songs he had stored on his coputer? :sarb: sorry if this is confusing or hard to follow :neutral:

I was reading one of ur previous posts about a cdj..so cdj allows you to use ur mp3s but can u also make ur own mixes and whatev using one of those comptuer programs and then burn that to a cd and use it that way? :sarb:

-also, you said the type of mixer you want depends on the type of music you're mostly into, right?..so what if I wanted to mainly work with hiphop/rap/reggae/indian kinda music?..what would be a good one?

soooo sorry for all the questions :(

and I have absolutely no equipment at all at this point..no mic no speakers nothing lozl..so when I said I was a beginnger..I def meant it :)

I'm listening to ur mix now..I'll post feedback later

[musicchic33]

for the begining, just buy an old fashioned gramophone and do practice if it goes well with ya..lolz.....heh :p

lol go away..I'm being serious, mofo :slap:

[musicchic33]

Don't listen to all these ppl telling you to get software. All you need is two turntables and a mixer, don't play cds, buy vinyl like a real dj.

Get the Technics 1200 MK2 turntables, they are expensive, but there really isn't any other alternative and you will thank me in the future.

As for mixing, it will take you months or up to a year to learn, depending upon how musical your talents are.

The basic process goes like this......you have one song playing on one turntable....and you listen to the other song that's about to come in on the other turntable with your headphones.

Now what you want to do is match the tempo of the song thats about to come in with the one that is playing....this will take lots of practices...you have to make sure the beats are in sync with each other.....once this gets down.....you can begin to mix. Cue up the song that you want to bring in by holding it at the first kick drum...and launch it when you hear the kick drum of the song that's already playing....you want to make sure the beats are hitting at the same time from both songs.....then bring your crossfader over and you're mixing.

This is the basic process, once you get this down you will have to learn how to count bars so when you mix you are actually "phase matching" both songs and the bars of each song are in sync so your mix sounds musical.

I know I probably confused the hell out of you, so feel free to PM me or hit me up online.

Take a listen to some of my mixes and hindi remixes:

www.djxeno.com/mixes.php

www.djxeno.com/tracks.php

it's nice to see a desi girl get into the art of djing :cool:

loll no you didn't confuse me..it was actually helpful but it's just like one of those things that you can't really say you know until you had experience with it..hence me needing to get some equipment haha.. :D

my only problem with only getting vinyl is that I feel like it won't have everything that I want, you know?..I feel like the selection of what I'm looking for isn't wide enuff..and then techpunk was mentioning cdj...what do you feel about those?
I visited ur site and tried listening to some of ur mixes but they wouldn't open after I dled them on my computer? :sarb:

thanks for your help :wavey:

[TechPhunk]

I'm googling and doing some online research on cdj...and they seem cool but I have yet another question lolz..so a few weeks back I went to this wedding and the dj had such a simple set up...including a laptop where I guess most his music was stored or something..so basicaly my question is what kinda djing can you do with music you dl off the internet and stuff and is that possible or was he just playing songs he had stored on his coputer? :sarb: sorry if this is confusing or hard to follow :neutral:

I was reading one of ur previous posts about a cdj..so cdj allows you to use ur mp3s but can u also make ur own mixes and whatev using one of those comptuer programs and then burn that to a cd and use it that way? :sarb:

-also, you said the type of mixer you want depends on the type of music you're mostly into, right?..so what if I wanted to mainly work with hiphop/rap/reggae/indian kinda music?..what would be a good one?

soooo sorry for all the questions :(

and I have absolutely no equipment at all at this point..no mic no speakers nothing lozl..so when I said I was a beginnger..I def meant it :)

I'm listening to ur mix now..I'll post feedback later

No problem. With the laptop, what you can do is just get a program like Native Instruments Traktor DJ Studio and hook that up to a set up of speakers and you can just dj that way. You're basically dj'ing within the program and that is probably the most cost effective. I'm sure there are other smaller programs that are free that you can use that will help you mix tracks together.

The next idea, cdj's, is playing not mp3's, but converted mp3's to .wav files. Basically the cdj's play the regular cd's that you would pop in your standard home stereo or car cd player. It plays the cd's that usually hold up to 20 songs on them. The cdj's are exactly like turntables, only instead of playing vinyl, they just play cd's which is very cost effective.

The mixer you'll need if you are actually gonna get tables because you have to have a way to manipulate the sounds from the tables. IE: you have to be able to adjust frequency levels (don't be scared by that, it's pretty simple ;) ), gain levels, and regular volume levels. The more expensive mixers are for those of us that do rather long mixing between tracks. For the music you want to do, you just need a scratch-type mixer. These usually only come with a gain knob, and 2 eq bands (high and low). Stanton and Vestax make excellent scratch type mixers.

Since you aren't really gonna do long mixes, you don't need expensive headphones either. Sony's happen to break a lot so try and stay away from those. You would just need something between 20-60$. It's all about how much fidelity you want through the earpieces.

What you need most of all though are speakers to monitor what you're doing. Monitoring consists of listening to one track in one ear (which is your incoming track) while you're other ear listens to the music that's playing out loud through the speakers. If you're gonna mix on your computer, than the computer speakers should be fine to use. I wouldn't recommened any fancy speakers because you won't need them at first. One of those magnivox type stereo systems at Best Buy would work. Doesn't have to be magnivox, but any brand will do.


Unfortunately I can't post the search result links from Pro Sound cause they all come out the same so just go to www.pssl.com and in the search box type in Stanton or Vestax or headphones. You'll get a list of stuff you can look through. This isn't the only store, there are numerous other dj's stores out there that you can browse through. I have usually found Pro Sound to have quality services with good prices.

I hope that helps. If you have anymore questions hit me up on aim and I'll see what I can do to help you out. ;)

[dj XeNo]

Not wanting to be a critic, but he also needs to tone down on his High Freqs.

LOL you guys are a riot, like you can really hear highs on a real audio file :jerkit:

[deathorders]

LOL you guys are a riot, like you can really hear highs on a real audio file :jerkit:
i was reffering to the mp3 files... :rolleyes:

[deathorders]

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TRAKTOR DJ STUDIO 2

ive got the full version....

buzz me if ne1 wants it...

[TechPhunk]

i can send you ableton live if you want. it's 4 and 5 just came out this past month. you can do lots of crazy shit with it and it's really easy to do re-edits on tracks.