clear hood

[MelRaja]

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[tjnptel1]

no better way to tell the whole world you have a 4 banger then a clear hood :)

[moonshadow]

seen it before, comes in different colors too, but whats the point even the point of a CF hood on a FWD car. kinda stupid if you ask me

[tjnptel1]

seen it before, comes in different colors too, but whats the point even the point of a CF hood on a FWD car. kinda stupid if you ask mewerd

[Samirr76]

well cf purpose is to save weight....what the real question is...why does anyone even modify or upgrade a 4cyl fwd car to begin with? :lol:

the clear hood is just plain RICE! :shock:

[moonshadow]

well cf purpose is to save weight....what the real question is...why does anyone even modify or upgrade a 4cyl fwd car to begin with? :lol:

the clear hood is just plain RICE! :shock:

i agree there that is why i dont touch my engine, makein the appearance a little better than stock is ok. but think about it, the tires that move the car need to be planted well, the CF hood will take the weight off the front hence retarding the tires grip some what. this is assumin that you are runninga FI system or have a high powered FWD car. i just dont get it. if you had a RWD car i say tear it off all you want but on FWD :x

[gujuboy]

seen it before, comes in different colors too, but whats the point even the point of a CF hood on a FWD car. kinda stupid if you ask mewerd
damn you tjn jackin my WERD too :twisted:

[Pakithug17]

Yo how Much do u think the CLEAR HOOD COSTS?

[moonshadow]

Yo how Much do u think the CLEAR HOOD COSTS?

no more than a couple hundred you want one dont ya???

[Samirr76]

moonshadow the amount of weight you save by going with a cf hood will benefit you more than the disadvantage weight over the front wheels lost. If you need FWD traction tires are the key. Even with my snow tires on I can launch hard thanks to AWD :D

Weight is the enemy of speed!!

[xtcshri2222]

seen it before, comes in different colors too, but whats the point even the point of a CF hood on a FWD car. kinda stupid if you ask me


how is CF hood stupid? so what if it's FWD, you don't seem to know to much. If you did you'ed know power to weight, there is plenty of weigh on the front wheels to give you traction, an if your that concered get a front spoiler or spliter. There is somthing called aerodynamic downforce, an proper tire selection to give you traction

[moonshadow]

seen it before, comes in different colors too, but whats the point even the point of a CF hood on a FWD car. kinda stupid if you ask me


how is CF hood stupid? so what if it's FWD, you don't seem to know to much. If you did you'ed know power to weight, there is plenty of weigh on the front wheels to give you traction, an if your that concered get a front spoiler or spliter. There is somthing called aerodynamic downforce, an proper tire selection to give you traction

thanx, i guess i learn something new everyday and having worked at ford for over two years i would like to assume that i know atleast a little bit about power to weight ratio's and weight transfer. before you start telling me that i dont seem to know too much, just think about why a funny car is refered to as a funny. all the weight as per the rules of physics transfers to the back, the spoilers may and better tires do count but your takeoff, in the normal world is at slow speeds, needs to keep you planted better. ever seen spring rates, the front is not as stiff as the rear but sits lower to keep the car close to balanced during hard acceleration. need an example. here are spring rates for front and back from a company that makes springs for the 9th gen corolla. Progress Technology 180lb in front and around 243lb and these are one of the springs with a soft spring rate.
sure i may not have a expensive car or even a better one that my prents bought for me but i do research before pouring major money like 400 dollars on a hood into my car. just look at what i have on there. you will see no performacne mods because i will admit the Corolla is not, was not and will not be fast.
also ever thought about torque steer and what is one of its major causes. a LSD will help but go and test drive a Nissan Sentra Spec V then tell me why despite a lot of factory options that car behaves the way it does on heavy acceleration from stop. i have enough friends who have either high powered FWD cars or RWD V8's and on most cases, i feel more comfortable flooring the WS6 that one of them has than the other persons s/c Accord.

[moonshadow]

moonshadow the amount of weight you save by going with a cf hood will benefit you more than the disadvantage weight over the front wheels lost. If you need FWD traction tires are the key. Even with my snow tires on I can launch hard thanks to AWD :D

Weight is the enemy of speed!!

that is agreed upon but i speak from personal experience although i've never owned a FWD car with enough power to toast the front tires on take off, i've driven enough owned by friends with upgraded tires to know that extra weight in front will help. and my last project at ford as in intern taught me wayyyyy more than anyone who is into hooking up can even possibly think of. also how many high powered cars have you really seen with CF hoods on. i've seen none cuz most high powered cars are either AWD or RWD. sorry for sounding kinda anal but not trying to start an argument, i find your posts on automotive issues on this board the most relevant.

[xplicitdreamz]

those kinda hoods make me sick...CF hoods are a little overrated

[xtcshri2222]

seen it before, comes in different colors too, but whats the point even the point of a CF hood on a FWD car. kinda stupid if you ask me


how is CF hood stupid? so what if it's FWD, you don't seem to know to much. If you did you'ed know power to weight, there is plenty of weigh on the front wheels to give you traction, an if your that concered get a front spoiler or spliter. There is somthing called aerodynamic downforce, an proper tire selection to give you traction

thanx, i guess i learn something new everyday and having worked at ford for over two years i would like to assume that i know atleast a little bit about power to weight ratio's and weight transfer. before you start telling me that i dont seem to know too much, just think about why a funny car is refered to as a funny. all the weight as per the rules of physics transfers to the back, the spoilers may and better tires do count but your takeoff, in the normal world is at slow speeds, needs to keep you planted better. ever seen spring rates, the front is not as stiff as the rear but sits lower to keep the car close to balanced during hard acceleration. need an example. here are spring rates for front and back from a company that makes springs for the 9th gen corolla. Progress Technology 180lb in front and around 243lb and these are one of the springs with a soft spring rate.
sure i may not have a expensive car or even a better one that my prents bought for me but i do research before pouring major money like 400 dollars on a hood into my car. just look at what i have on there. you will see no performacne mods because i will admit the Corolla is not, was not and will not be fast.
also ever thought about torque steer and what is one of its major causes. a LSD will help but go and test drive a Nissan Sentra Spec V then tell me why despite a lot of factory options that car behaves the way it does on heavy acceleration from stop. i have enough friends who have either high powered FWD cars or RWD V8's and on most cases, i feel more comfortable flooring the WS6 that one of them has than the other persons s/c Accord.


I've worked with cars for 4 yrs. I go to school for cars. I've built customs an driven them, An my whole career comprises of enhancing the capablities of a car so i'ed think i'ed know what i'm talking about =). My parents don't pay for my car, or my old car. I've been workin since i was 16, an workin on cars since then also. Your comfort level may be higher in a RWD car due to the fact you may have never race a sports compact. Sports compacts can easily out handle out corner a WS6. An for suspension, if your a serious tuner you'ed get coilovers with adjustable spring rates, an not really springs, there differnt levels of tuners, if you do it properly. You'll have a excelent FWD car. An if you want some serious traction an handling you go with the stiff springs. ride comfort sucks but handling will be increased. An working at ford? that's nothing to brage about, they don't lead in anything. I'ed suggest you know the dynamics of a FWD car are differnt from a RWD before you go make stupid statements. Ford fix or repair dayly nice rep they have, they know how to build um ;) An one more simple fact, FWD you got the weight of the motor an tranny right above the axil, as in RWD there is less weight in the rear, depending on the weight distribution. So yes a C/F hood in race aplications is benificial The end.

[Pakithug17]

MoonShadow wrote
no more than a couple hundred you want one dont ya???


Well i was juss askin i don't need one....aight cuz peace

[tjnptel1]

seen it before, comes in different colors too, but whats the point even the point of a CF hood on a FWD car. kinda stupid if you ask me


how is CF hood stupid? so what if it's FWD, you don't seem to know to much. If you did you'ed know power to weight, there is plenty of weigh on the front wheels to give you traction, an if your that concered get a front spoiler or spliter. There is somthing called aerodynamic downforce, an proper tire selection to give you traction

thanx, i guess i learn something new everyday and having worked at ford for over two years i would like to assume that i know atleast a little bit about power to weight ratio's and weight transfer. before you start telling me that i dont seem to know too much, just think about why a funny car is refered to as a funny. all the weight as per the rules of physics transfers to the back, the spoilers may and better tires do count but your takeoff, in the normal world is at slow speeds, needs to keep you planted better. ever seen spring rates, the front is not as stiff as the rear but sits lower to keep the car close to balanced during hard acceleration. need an example. here are spring rates for front and back from a company that makes springs for the 9th gen corolla. Progress Technology 180lb in front and around 243lb and these are one of the springs with a soft spring rate.
sure i may not have a expensive car or even a better one that my prents bought for me but i do research before pouring major money like 400 dollars on a hood into my car. just look at what i have on there. you will see no performacne mods because i will admit the Corolla is not, was not and will not be fast.
also ever thought about torque steer and what is one of its major causes. a LSD will help but go and test drive a Nissan Sentra Spec V then tell me why despite a lot of factory options that car behaves the way it does on heavy acceleration from stop. i have enough friends who have either high powered FWD cars or RWD V8's and on most cases, i feel more comfortable flooring the WS6 that one of them has than the other persons s/c Accord.


I've worked with cars for 4 yrs. I go to school for cars. I've built customs an driven them, An my whole career comprises of enhancing the capablities of a car so i'ed think i'ed know what i'm talking about =). My parents don't pay for my car, or my old car. I've been workin since i was 16, an workin on cars since then also. Your comfort level may be higher in a RWD car due to the fact you may have never race a sports compact. Sports compacts can easily out handle out corner a WS6. An for suspension, if your a serious tuner you'ed get coilovers with adjustable spring rates, an not really springs, there differnt levels of tuners, if you do it properly. You'll have a excelent FWD car. An if you want some serious traction an handling you go with the stiff springs. ride comfort sucks but handling will be increased. An working at ford? that's nothing to brage about, they don't lead in anything. I'ed suggest you know the dynamics of a FWD car are differnt from a RWD before you go make stupid statements. Ford fix or repair dayly nice rep they have, they know how to build um ;) An one more simple fact, FWD you got the weight of the motor an tranny right above the axil, as in RWD there is less weight in the rear, depending on the weight distribution. So yes a C/F hood in race aplications is benificial The end.

ok.. made sense, the coilovers, FORD, but until the last part :( anyways, a carbon fiber hood on a standard street car looks whack and is about as functional as a hood scoop on a honda civic.

[Samirr76]

I think all of you need to get off your high horses and pretending you k know so much. All of us have different background, I for instance have been working for Subaru of America for 2 years now. I've worked for other automotive companies as well but I dont pretend to be an expert at any of this. People should just do to their cars what suits their needs and wants and forget about what every so-called "expert" has to say.

Moonshadow has a good point about "real-world" performance though. Is it worth it to spend $400 on a CF hood just to save 10-20 lbs? Probably not. But if your building an 10-11 second car when your getting to that level of performance, even a 1/20 of a second counts. On your Honda Civic EX with Iceman intake and OBX muffler with "custom piping" hell no u dont need a CF hood!

[moonshadow]

First of all i was not bragging about my ford experience but i you would like to know, the work i did there is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than what you would expect to do as a tuner. NO i never turned a single car but as a member of the HCV team i did work on the Hybrid Ford Focus and Hybrid Ford Explorer. I know there is no production model or even major news of this yet but at the 2001 NAIAS, the HCV 11 had been shown to the world. the vehicle my team worked on. even though i was only there as a intern primarily for desing and database management along with writing short scripts for programs the shop would have to use for quick calculations, one of my main duties incured desing of prototype parts using IDEAS 8m1. usually when you do prototype parts you are more than responsible of things like weight, tolorences, functionality and the most important of all, modification of prefabricated parts such as engine mounts, transmission mounts, Electric motor mounts and along with times comes a FE Analysis of "minor things" like suspension components and the strenghts of certain "unimportant(to daily drivers)" parts. so dont go out and tell me i'm bragging about my experience at
Ford cuz even though i may be a CS major and will probably never work on a car professionally, i've spent enough time on this and know a lot cuz i've learned most of what i know from my father. He was not a part time hobbying mechanic in india trying to save money on repairs but a 5 year contender in the Indian Sector of the Asia Pacific Rally. I have video's and proof to proove this too. This will be my last post on this issue because i 100000000000% agree with Samir that we all have our area's of experties and there is no point in me saying you are worng or know notihgn and you doing the same. There is a reason there is Race Track Technology and Daily Driver Technology. A thing like a CF hood IMO is race technology or something for a higher performacne car like a Supra, WS6, Z28, SS, Cobra and so on but when you strart doing that to cars like mine, civic's altima's, camry's accords's it becomes "RICE"

[xtcshri2222]

First of all i was not bragging about my ford experience but i you would like to know, the work i did there is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than what you would expect to do as a tuner. NO i never turned a single car but as a member of the HCV team i did work on the Hybrid Ford Focus and Hybrid Ford Explorer. I know there is no production model or even major news of this yet but at the 2001 NAIAS, the HCV 11 had been shown to the world. the vehicle my team worked on. even though i was only there as a intern primarily for desing and database management along with writing short scripts for programs the shop would have to use for quick calculations, one of my main duties incured desing of prototype parts using IDEAS 8m1. usually when you do prototype parts you are more than responsible of things like weight, tolorences, functionality and the most important of all, modification of prefabricated parts such as engine mounts, transmission mounts, Electric motor mounts and along with times comes a FE Analysis of "minor things" like suspension components and the strenghts of certain "unimportant(to daily drivers)" parts. so dont go out and tell me i'm bragging about my experience at
Ford cuz even though i may be a CS major and will probably never work on a car professionally, i've spent enough time on this and know a lot cuz i've learned most of what i know from my father. He was not a part time hobbying mechanic in india trying to save money on repairs but a 5 year contender in the Indian Sector of the Asia Pacific Rally. I have video's and proof to proove this too. This will be my last post on this issue because i 100000000000% agree with Samir that we all have our area's of experties and there is no point in me saying you are worng or know notihgn and you doing the same. There is a reason there is Race Track Technology and Daily Driver Technology. A thing like a CF hood IMO is race technology or something for a higher performacne car like a Supra, WS6, Z28, SS, Cobra and so on but when you strart doing that to cars like mine, civic's altima's, camry's accords's it becomes "RICE"

There isn't all to much of a differnce between race cars an tuner cars. If you know most race cars are modified from a factory piece. Which makes it possible to produce your own. An my altima, rice acroding to you won me 1st place in autoX , an ran a 14.1 with a auto tranny. Faster then Ford's GT stang with is nice big 4.6. C/F hood are track technology i don't disagree with you on that. I dissagree when you said they serve no purpous.

[xtcshri2222]

I think all of you need to get off your high horses and pretending you k know so much. All of us have different background, I for instance have been working for Subaru of America for 2 years now. I've worked for other automotive companies as well but I dont pretend to be an expert at any of this. People should just do to their cars what suits their needs and wants and forget about what every so-called "expert" has to say.

Moonshadow has a good point about "real-world" performance though. Is it worth it to spend $400 on a CF hood just to save 10-20 lbs? Probably not. But if your building an 10-11 second car when your getting to that level of performance, even a 1/20 of a second counts. On your Honda Civic EX with Iceman intake and OBX muffler with "custom piping" hell no u dont need a CF hood!

If a person was only useing a c/f hood for a look that'ed fall under what i simply call a posser. An as i said there differnt levels of Tuners an some who wanna look like they are. 10-20 pounds dosn't matter unless you do race. Where i do agree with you, an if you read what everyone has said now, i don't see any disagrements on our view. The statement i was disputing is that C/F hoods are useless.

[moonshadow]

god dude calm donwn. when i said it serves no purpose i meant on a street car. if it was that good, it would come factory. i did not refere to your car. i didnt even know what car you do or did have. stock cars may be modified to run on the track but there is data collected from this that is used in everyday cars. sorry to come of like an ass on this whole issue, but your comment about me not seeming to know much kinda pushed me over the edge. and the pencil pusher, that's what all of us are destined to do. even if you own a business, you have someone who decides your fate so dont throw out comments like that esp if you are going to school for cars. you are going to do that somewhere down the line. once again my appologies for not being more clear on my original post that turned this tread.
Achint

[xtcshri2222]

god dude calm donwn. when i said it serves no purpose i meant on a street car. if it was that good, it would come factory. i did not refere to your car. i didnt even know what car you do or did have. stock cars may be modified to run on the track but there is data collected from this that is used in everyday cars. sorry to come of like an ass on this whole issue, but your comment about me not seeming to know much kinda pushed me over the edge. and the pencil pusher, that's what all of us are destined to do. even if you own a business, you have someone who decides your fate so dont throw out comments like that esp if you are going to school for cars. you are going to do that somewhere down the line. once again my appologies for not being more clear on my original post that turned this tread.
Achint


Well it all nothing we had miss understanding, no appolgie needed.

[Samirr76]

The biggest reason cars are not equipped with a cf hood from the factory is the cost. Product Planning evaluates how many people would be willing to pay more for the car just because it has a cf hood, or bigger wheels, etc. If its not enough people to sell more cars they'd rather leave it off. Plus cf is not as durable for everyday use and not everybody wants a two tone car. U cant really do cf hood without extra hood pins to hold it down, unlike metal hoods.

Another example is the Subaru WRX/STi that comes with a lightweight aluminum hood from thw factory. I compared the weight to a regular impreza with a steel hood and the difference is like night and day. This is an example where the market for this car is willing to pay a little more for that weight savings. Your everage corolla/civic/sentra buyer doesnt care and would rather just pay less for the car.