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parmi2000
April 20th, 2005, 03:13 AM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
Lady Pimp
April 20th, 2005, 03:24 AM
hmm Interesting.Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
parmi2000
April 20th, 2005, 03:32 AM
hmm Interesting.
NOT AFTER 911 ... I GUESS WE CAN'T CUZ PEOPLE DON'T FORGET SHIT LIKE THAT FOR LIKE A 1000 YEARS!!!! LOL
MENACINGSTRANGER
April 20th, 2005, 07:10 AM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
Quit whining.
gabroo_shakeen
April 20th, 2005, 11:06 AM
You pretty much said it...and what is he doing ryte now? Dead??? Probably not. And whos suffering because of it now? Iraq, Afghanistan, and the muslims and desis living in the States and Canada.
Its pretty pathetic the way acts cocky and thinks he's got so much himmat in him.
But then again the states aren't any different. Interfereing in world affairs and causing problems. Kinda reminds me of the British policy of "divide and rule."
Ohmygod
April 20th, 2005, 11:17 AM
i dont think bin laden did it, theres no proof only what bush has provided which is lies, bin laden was secretly trained by america to do all this and i think he migh be working with them to justify all the wars and as for 911 we all know that was planned by bush and his cabinet, you shouldnt be hating bin laden he prob doesnt even exist only in the media. you should hate bush who started all this bullshit off, and the narrowminded sheeps around the world who go along with it all, dont belivev everything you see and hear, ecspecially in the media, and politicians coz theyre all full of shit and when they die God will deal with them if not allready, peace out
gabroo_shakeen
April 20th, 2005, 11:26 AM
i dont think bin laden did it, theres no proof only what bush has provided which is lies, bin laden was secretly trained by america to do all this and i think he migh be working with them to justify all the wars and as for 911 we all know that was planned by bush and his cabinet, you shouldnt be hating bin laden he prob doesnt even exist only in the media. you should hate bush who started all this bullshit off, and the narrowminded sheeps around the world who go along with it all, dont belivev everything you see and hear, ecspecially in the media, and politicians coz theyre all full of shit and when they die God will deal with them if not allready, peace out
Hmmm...why the hell would someone lie about admitting the planning and operation of 9/11? But yea on the other hand it could be huge conspiracy bush may be clever than we thought he is. Not just Bush, but the whole goddam US Administration is pretty much to blame.
missymissms03
April 20th, 2005, 11:34 AM
Ya Dats So True..after 911 Shit Things Changed..in Cali..many Sikh Punjabi Ppl Got Killed By White Folks And Blacks..cuz They Said..punjabis Look Like Bin Ladin 2..cuz Of Turban And Long Beard
(sic)
April 20th, 2005, 11:41 AM
guess what? *whispers* it wasn't osama....
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 20th, 2005, 01:16 PM
Ya Dats So True..after 911 Shit Things Changed..in Cali..many Sikh Punjabi Ppl Got Killed By White Folks And Blacks..cuz They Said..punjabis Look Like Bin Ladin 2..cuz Of Turban And Long Beard
yeh they're stupid
i mean hello muslim isn't a race
there are black muslims white muslims chinese muslims etc. etc.
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 20th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
where do you live?
amybe it depends on where you live
cuz ppl in the EAST tend 2 be more tolerant n open minded
Hydro786
April 20th, 2005, 01:27 PM
Long Live Obl!!! Lol
Hydro - Juss Shit Disturbin
TrueIndiAnSOul
April 20th, 2005, 03:05 PM
Bush created bin laden
Orestes
April 20th, 2005, 03:13 PM
I hate it how America hates Muslims because of the 9/11 incident, those terroriists weren't muslim ,
sure legally they prolly were but they weren't in the eyes of the muslim community.
Fallen-Angel
April 20th, 2005, 05:29 PM
my cousin went to N.Y and she wears a headscarf, she went after 9/11 and i asked how she was treated and she replied "the people were really nice and friendly!"
J_Zilla
April 20th, 2005, 05:59 PM
i take it that you dont like the guy... just a strange feeling..
ozzy187
April 20th, 2005, 06:00 PM
Osama Is Just A Gangsta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
driftking_s14
April 20th, 2005, 06:10 PM
yeh white peer
"get R done"
haha dman so much hate in the world....
Nationalist
April 20th, 2005, 06:12 PM
Watch Farenheit 9-11, Bush helped Osama, and when we had him cornered in Tora Bora, we gave the job to Uzbek mecanaries, our president is brilliant ain't he. And not only that, when he went bankrupt in the 80's the Bin Ladin Family saved his ass. Osama is an asshole, but Bush is even worse.
methodman535
April 20th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
Hes not an innocent guy but I think the natural inbred American racism is to blame too. I mean remember the Oklahoma City bombing? People were relieved(desi and arab people) that it turned out to be a white guy. And the strange fact is that if the bombers of the WTC had been white supremacists all desis woulda been super happy and relieved.
methodman535
April 20th, 2005, 06:32 PM
I hate it how America hates Muslims because of the 9/11 incident, those terroriists weren't muslim ,
sure legally they prolly were but they weren't in the eyes of the muslim community.
In the eyes of the muslim community no bad muslim is muslim. That doesnt mean jack shit. Thats like saying no bad desi is a desi, hes a fuckin martian! What the fuck...that doesnt mean jack shit. A muslim is a fuckin muslim. The only way a muslim isnt a muslim is if he says hes christian or hindu or sikh or buddhist. Otherwise hes muslim even if he is an atheist or never prays or he drinks.
methodman535
April 20th, 2005, 06:34 PM
my cousin went to N.Y and she wears a headscarf, she went after 9/11 and i asked how she was treated and she replied "the people were really nice and friendly!"
90% of the population of NYC believes the government is involved in a coverup that involves 911. Thats by survey. The further away you get from NYC the less the people believe the govt had prior knowledge.
desi_boi_2k4
April 20th, 2005, 08:23 PM
there is no doubt that Bush administration was involved in this whole 9/11 thing , but other fact people always forget is that Talibans and osama were also involved. Saddam and Osama was brought by America. It is true that one should not believe in everything they show in the news but one should try to find the truth
just coz he is a so called muslim you can't call himself a good person. do you even know how many muslims he had killed in Afghanistan and other countries. do you think in 9/11 only christians died? no there were muslims too.
SoSoScandalous
April 20th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
he's a disgrace to the muslim race.. its soo sad....i don't consider him as a muslim either..
SoSoScandalous
April 20th, 2005, 09:40 PM
its sad that its the americans who trianed Osama.. its sad that he got all the ideas and skills from us americans.. i mean really it just kicked us back in the ass.... he went to hardford.. he was born here.. and i donno how u can bomb a country u were born in.. MAN!
noregrets
April 20th, 2005, 09:40 PM
Wat abt Che Guveara!!! :sarb:
SoSoScandalous
April 20th, 2005, 09:42 PM
my uncle and grandma died there on 9/11 they were having luch on the 63rd floor.. they weren't able to get out bc my grandma was a slow walker... and we're muslim too.. and its also sad how they don't acknowledge the fact that msulims died as well... they are like omg us white ppl died.. :(
SoSoScandalous
April 20th, 2005, 09:43 PM
:mad: Long Live Obl!!! Lol
Hydro - Juss Shit Disturbin
poetichustla
April 20th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
word
methodman535
April 20th, 2005, 11:35 PM
its sad that its the americans who trianed Osama.. its sad that he got all the ideas and skills from us americans.. i mean really it just kicked us back in the ass.... he went to hardford.. he was born here.. and i donno how u can bomb a country u were born in.. MAN!
Osama was born in the US? :shock:
Nationalist
April 21st, 2005, 12:24 AM
Wat abt Che Guveara!!! :sarb:
VIVA Che!
methodman535
April 21st, 2005, 12:33 AM
Che Guevara is very popular on Tshirts. That log is all over the place!
Sexicookie
April 21st, 2005, 12:36 AM
GangStaaaaar :cool:
americandesi
April 21st, 2005, 12:45 AM
its funny HOW STUPID FAGS like some muslims here ...believes 9/11 wasnt done by muslims...i mean cmmon....how many excuses will u find now? next thing u will blame martians...or prolly jews.....hhahah!
i guess this is the fuckin reason terrorists r born in islam....coz other so called "good muslims" fail to distance themselves from these terrorists...n moreover support em by calling them angels..
n those other fags...who live in this country, makes money....n fukin hates this country n its govt....why dont u go bak to pakistan or wherever the fuk ur frm n see how the govt treats u there..
mullah omar
April 21st, 2005, 01:06 AM
n those other fags...who live in this country, makes money....n fukin hates this country n its govt....why dont u go bak to pakistan or wherever the fuk ur frm n see how the govt treats u there..
yeah..ur real smart.
and ur stupid rule of ppl who live in this country and hate it..doesnt only apply to muslims...it applies to all desis....Thats typical desi mentality...not just the US...millions of non-muslims in the middle east hate it there...but they dont leave the country..cuz the money is good...
its pretty sad.
and for the rest of u...stop whining and blaming Osama just bcuz someone gives you wierd looks...Racism existed before Osama....don't be ignorant.
u think if 9/11 didnt happen....americans would love u? No!! white ppl are the most racist ppl on the planet. i don't need to give examples.
Sexicookie
April 21st, 2005, 01:12 AM
:drama:
Nationalist
April 21st, 2005, 01:36 AM
Osama was born in the US? :shock:
He was born in Saudi Arabia. He was revoked his citizenship afterwards. His ancestory is from Yemen.
Chiller_97
April 21st, 2005, 01:50 AM
Osama not even the subject. In fact he is GOLD to the (jewish dominated) media for business. They (the media) needed an excuse to kill Muslims and when Americans brain-washed by the media think of hating Muslims they don't even think about Bin Laden.
The US killed countless innocent souls compared to the 2800 in 9/11 (lots of sympathy for them and their family). Now let's have some sympathy for the 1,500,000 Iraqis that, since the first Gulf War, either died during the war, had their family members killed and died out of loneliness or after the war from radiation, cancer or from drinking the water the US contaminated with depleated Uranium or from lack of food or medical supply due to the embargo. By having your limbs teared off by the bombing and bleeding to death or simply by having a missle fall on your head
Let's have a moment of silence shall we.
Nationalist
April 21st, 2005, 01:54 AM
The CIA is a terrorist regime in itself.
adren@line
April 21st, 2005, 02:45 AM
its funny HOW STUPID FAGS like some muslims here ...believes 9/11 wasnt done by muslims...i mean cmmon....how many excuses will u find now? next thing u will blame martians...or prolly jews.....hhahah!
i guess this is the fuckin reason terrorists r born in islam....coz other so called "good muslims" fail to distance themselves from these terrorists...n moreover support em by calling them angels..
n those other fags...who live in this country, makes money....n fukin hates this country n its govt....why dont u go bak to pakistan or wherever the fuk ur frm n see how the govt treats u there..
People in this country can be as anti-American as they want.
The concern kicks in when they act on their hate.
If any of these anti-American crackpots conspire against the US, they should be arrested and deported immediatly.
Otherwise its all good, as that is what freedom of speech is all about.
Osama not even the subject. In fact he is GOLD to the (jewish dominated) media for business. They (the media) needed an excuse to kill Muslims and when Americans brain-washed by the media think of hating Muslims they don't even think about Bin Laden.
If the US government really hated Muslims, they would have rounded them all up and stuck them in camps like they did the Japanese, or even the nuked the hell out of Afghanistan or Iraq.
The fact is they didnt. The fundamental reason for the conflicts exist is due to modern-secularism vs medieval dictatorships or totalitarian states.
The US killed countless innocent souls compared to the 2800 in 9/11 (lots of sympathy for them and their family). Now let's have some sympathy for the 1,500,000 Iraqis that, since the first Gulf War, either died during the war, had their family members killed and died out of loneliness or after the war from radiation, cancer or from drinking the water the US contaminated with depleated Uranium or from lack of food or medical supply due to the embargo. By having your limbs teared off by the bombing and bleeding to death or simply by having a missle fall on your head
Let's have a moment of silence shall we.
The problem with this is that every superpower or empire has engaged in its fair share of war. Within the context of a debate, its just a matter of how far one goes back in the timeline to place the blame.
For example, Muslims, as a collective whole, have invaded and killed millions of people through their wars and invasions into practically every country in Europe, the middle east, and south Asia.
One could say that "what goes around, comes around". Muslims spend most of their history invading and occupying others, now they are getting a dose of their own medicine.
The CIA is a terrorist regime in itself.
The CIA does what it does to protect America and its interests.
ANY country that had the power of America would do the same thing, and every country that exists today does what is in its interests.
Hydro786
April 21st, 2005, 02:55 AM
:mad:
hehehe
methodman535
April 21st, 2005, 02:57 AM
People in this country can be as anti-American as they want.
The concern kicks in when they act on their hate.
If any of these anti-American crackpots conspire against the US, they should be arrested and deported immediatly.
Otherwise its all good, as that is what freedom of speech is all about.
If the US government really hated Muslims, they would have rounded them all up and stuck them in camps like they did the Japanese, or even the nuked the hell out of Afghanistan or Iraq.
The fact is they didnt. The fundamental reason for the conflicts exist is due to modern-secularism vs medieval dictatorships or totalitarian states.
No, the fundemental reasons are Oil and Isreal Estate.
adren@line
April 21st, 2005, 03:19 AM
No, the fundemental reasons are Oil and Isreal Estate.
both of which are in the interests of the US.
Anyways, if the Middle East was secular and democratic, I doubt any of the crap that is going on today would be going on.
Sphinx7
April 21st, 2005, 03:25 AM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
your blaming the wrong person, if you took the time 2 do the knowledge around you and the events taking place, and tried to connect the dots you'd know the science(political science) of whats goin on.
and all of a sudden the US isnt after that man...they just 4got about him ? :neutral:
adren@line
April 21st, 2005, 03:39 AM
your blaming the wrong person, if you took the time 2 do the knowledge around you and the events taking place, and tried to connect the dots you'd know the science(political science) of whats goin on.
and all of a sudden the US isnt after that man...they just 4got about him ? :neutral:
for once , Ill agree with you.
The US Gov seems to have dropped all of its efforts in finding Bin Laden.
But I guess it doesnt matter. Even if they do get him, someone will replace him.
Sphinx7
April 21st, 2005, 03:46 AM
Otherwise its all good, as that is what freedom of speech is all about.
what freedom of speech?
If the US government really hated Muslims, they would have rounded them all up and stuck them in camps like they did the Japanese, or even the nuked the hell out of Afghanistan or Iraq.
The fact is they didnt. The fundamental reason for the conflicts exist is due to modern-secularism vs medieval dictatorships or totalitarian states.
That doesnt make any sense, what the ... Y would they nuke those countries? They need those places; the reason y they went to Afgan is because of the resources, the pipe line, drugs, to put their puppet regiem.
The conflicts exist is because its written, they have a objective 2 carry out. Study your history 2 find the future kiddo. They want a totalitarian world.
For example, Muslims, as a collective whole, have invaded and killed millions of people through their wars and invasions into practically every country in Europe, the middle east, and south Asia.
One could say that "what goes around, comes around". Muslims spend most of their history invading and occupying others, now they are getting a dose of their own medicine.
damn this is the most stoopidest statement ive ever heard. I've built with even White folks that will disagree with that, priests and christians.
What Wars have been engauged by muslims ?? As far as i know, no other race has committed more torture/killings than the white race. I think you are confused in who engauged in the wars, muslims have fought but they had 2 defend their lands.
Chiller_97
April 21st, 2005, 03:46 AM
People in this country can be as anti-American as they want.
The concern kicks in when they act on their hate.
If any of these anti-American crackpots conspire against the US, they should be arrested and deported immediatly.
Otherwise its all good, as that is what freedom of speech is all about.
No one who speaks here is Anti-America or Anti-Semite. I love America. It's America's facism that I critize and its racist policies.
If the US government really hated Muslims, they would have rounded them all up and stuck them in camps like they did the Japanese, or even the nuked the hell out of Afghanistan or Iraq.
The fact is they didnt. The fundamental reason for the conflicts exist is due to modern-secularism vs medieval dictatorships or totalitarian states.
Well they have to maintain a good public image now don't they. Most of the American public doesn't know half of the killings occured in the Gulf Wars or the 2-thousand+ year-old culture destroyed in Baghdad. They did in fact nuke the hell out of Baghdad. What do you call depleated Uranimum? Perhaps just not as big as Hiroshima but at least 5 times more radioactive substance must've been dropped on Baghdad over that past 14 years.
The problem with this is that every superpower or empire has engaged in its fair share of war. Within the context of a debate, its just a matter of how far one goes back in the timeline to place the blame.
For example, Muslims, as a collective whole, have invaded and killed millions of people through their wars and invasions into practically every country in Europe, the middle east, and south Asia.
One could say that "what goes around, comes around". Muslims spend most of their history invading and occupying others, now they are getting a dose of their own medicine.
When Muslims "invaded" those countries in Europe they never killed and forced their religion on them, only the extremists did. Why do you think Spain is still a Catholic State?
The story today is different; the US invaded Iraq against it's own interests and in favor of the interests of Israel and because Israel wanted it (the same reason as to Gulf War I). It's about time AMERICANS took control of the American government and congress!
vimi
April 21st, 2005, 03:53 AM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
I aint ever get hated on
I would snuff a *****
play with that
vimi
April 21st, 2005, 03:55 AM
:drama:
U made me HUNGRY
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 21st, 2005, 10:47 AM
Osama was born in the US? :shock:
scandalolous is talking about how OSAMA was trained by the US when
he was fighting the SOVIETS in AFGHANISTAN along w/ the afghan mujaheedin and other muslims who came 2 help afghans fight the soviets...........
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 21st, 2005, 10:48 AM
since america did not like the USSR...it was in their intesrest to help defaet the soviets so thats why they helped......
also the americans actually supported SADDAM HUSSEIN during the IRAN-IRAQ WAR..........
vimi
April 21st, 2005, 10:50 AM
since america did not like the USSR...it was in their intesrest to help defaet the soviets so thats why they helped......
also the americans actually supported SADDAM HUSSEIN during the IRAN-IRAQ WAR..........
GOD BLESS AMERICA
MolviCorleone
April 21st, 2005, 10:54 AM
has anybody actually sat down and chatted to bin laden to know he did it.
all i know is in the 1980s he was a freedom fighter who was supported and applauded by the US for his battles with russians.
thick basturds.
erm so to call him a SOB is stupid. what happend to a lot of UK based so called terrorists. 3 years later they were released w/o charge. its the USA who are the new israel.
fucking bastards. fuck USA i hate USA.
vimi
April 21st, 2005, 10:55 AM
has anybody actually sat down and chatted to bin laden to know he did it.
all i know is in the 1980s he was a freedom fighter who was supported and applauded by the US for his battles with russians.
thick basturds.
erm so to call him a SOB is stupid. what happend to a lot of UK based so called terrorists. 3 years later they were released w/o charge. its the USA who are the new israel.
fucking bastards. fuck USA i hate USA.
USA HATES YOU TOOO
dj XeNo
April 21st, 2005, 10:56 AM
has anybody actually sat down and chatted to bin laden to know he did it.
all i know is in the 1980s he was a freedom fighter who was supported and applauded by the US for his battles with russians.
thick basturds.
erm so to call him a SOB is stupid. what happend to a lot of UK based so called terrorists. 3 years later they were released w/o charge. its the USA who are the new israel.
fucking bastards. fuck USA i hate USA.
your ideas are intrigueing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 21st, 2005, 10:59 AM
has anybody actually sat down and chatted to bin laden to know he did it.
all i know is in the 1980s he was a freedom fighter who was supported and applauded by the US for his battles with russians.
thick basturds.
erm so to call him a SOB is stupid. what happend to a lot of UK based so called terrorists. 3 years later they were released w/o charge. its the USA who are the new israel.
fucking bastards. fuck USA i hate USA.
dont be naive....
he did it....
he even admitted it...
actually he had sent a video to al -jazeera where he admits it
but i do not thinki al-jazeera decided to show it because america was angry abt how al-jazeera always showed every bin laden tape........
and osama bin laden...he isnt even a muslim in my opinion...actually spanbish clerics issued a fatwa against him recently...
plus never mind the poor inncoent civilians he killed during 9/11
but what abt all the muslims he killed in afghanistan?
if you gyz did not know he killed a lot of afghan muslims.......
Nationalist
April 22nd, 2005, 12:57 AM
In conclusion, Osama is a bitch...
And the USA gave plenty of money to him and the Taliban before 9-11. Osama did the attacks himself. His family bailed Bush in the 80's and so on...
SholaShabnam
April 22nd, 2005, 01:02 AM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
you are like 3 and a half years late buddy
d-wal
April 22nd, 2005, 01:08 AM
You pretty much said it...and what is he doing ryte now? Dead??? Probably not. And whos suffering because of it now? Iraq, Afghanistan, and the muslims and desis living in the States and Canada.
Its pretty pathetic the way acts cocky and thinks he's got so much himmat in him.
But then again the states aren't any different. Interfereing in world affairs and causing problems. Kinda reminds me of the British policy of "divide and rule."
...not necessarily true, this post is full of so many generalizations lol IM NOT SUFFERING!
Orestes
April 22nd, 2005, 03:06 AM
In the eyes of the muslim community no bad muslim is muslim. That doesnt mean jack shit. Thats like saying no bad desi is a desi, hes a fuckin martian! What the fuck...that doesnt mean jack shit. A muslim is a fuckin muslim. The only way a muslim isnt a muslim is if he says hes christian or hindu or sikh or buddhist. Otherwise hes muslim even if he is an atheist or never prays or he drinks.
Of course you'd take into consideration I was speaking hypothetically
rabbi_shergill
April 22nd, 2005, 03:10 AM
alot of people say like osama is evil, saddam is evil....i dont believe that and neither should u
a person canot be evil...there is always either some misunderstanding or revenge or someting involved..
in this case i think osama is just trying to get revenge for what the US did to his people..now he doens't have like u know f-16s or nuclear bombs and shit..so he has to use terrorist like tactics....
unless the US can send him some weapons and guns...he could build an army and then they could battle it out...but thats highly unlikely so...this is the way its gonna be...
methodman535
April 22nd, 2005, 03:14 AM
both of which are in the interests of the US.
Anyways, if the Middle East was secular and democratic, I doubt any of the crap that is going on today would be going on.
Why do you keep flipflopping back and forth like a yoyo. First I completely contradict you and then you come around and agree with the contradiction? You said the middle east conflict is due to modern-secularism vs medieval dictatorships or totalitarian states. You didnt mention oil or isreal. Fact is thats the two top reasons US troops are there.
And if the mideast was secular, communist, socialist, democratic or anarchic as long as it were still weak the US would wanna grab oil and Isreal would still wanna grab land. You make no sense. Nobody in the US gives a fuck if its democratic or not. Feed that to the birds.
jatti_down_under
April 22nd, 2005, 03:14 AM
alot of people say like osama is evil, saddam is evil....i dont believe that and neither should u
a person canot be evil...there is always either some misunderstanding or revenge or someting involved..
in this case i think osama is just trying to get revenge for what the US did to his people..now he doens't have like u know f-16s or nuclear bombs and shit..so he has to use terrorist like tactics....
unless the US can send him some weapons and guns...he could build an army and then they could battle it out...but thats highly unlikely so...this is the way its gonna be...
agreed.
And there is more than revenge in the US administratiosn eyes when they attacked iraq and afghanistan. More complex issues like oil..
methodman535
April 22nd, 2005, 03:21 AM
Of course you'd take into consideration I was speaking hypothetically
No you were not speaking hypothetically. You were just repeating something that countless people say all the time whnever they dont like an act committed by a muslim they say he wasnt a muslim or a "good muslim". A statement like this is not meant to be a hypothesis or abstraction, its meant to be taken literally word for word.
rabbi_shergill
April 22nd, 2005, 03:24 AM
agreed.
And there is more than revenge in the US administratiosn eyes when they attacked iraq and afghanistan. More complex issues like oil..
yea...its complex like no other...which is why bush ALWAYS makes it sooo fuckin simple....by using words like evil, evil-doers... many the hilly billys are soo fucking retarted....
damn i hate people who follow someone blindly...god damn...act like u got some sense...ask questions!!!!!
jatti_down_under
April 22nd, 2005, 03:25 AM
yea...its complex like no other...which is why bush ALWAYS makes it sooo fuckin simple....by using words like evil, evil-doers... many the hilly billys are soo fucking retarted....
damn i hate people who follow someone blindly...god damn...act like u got some sense...ask questions!!!!!
Exactly, its like "hello, knock knock?!?!"
ssjasper2003
April 22nd, 2005, 03:27 AM
Dude stop the spaming. :p.
JOHNNY KBAR
April 22nd, 2005, 04:01 AM
Bin laden and Saddam both committed genocide agianst there own muslims...and the Al-qaida (Bin laden is part of) network is still committing the acts everday here in Iraq under Zarqawi..... Bottom line is they were asshole muslims....and yes the are EVIL and Evil-Doers.......im not saying Bush is the greatest.....Ive seen what Al-qaida can do and there a hell of a lot worse than Bush.....
desi_balla63
April 22nd, 2005, 04:06 AM
You don't consider him to be a muslim?
Who gave you the right to decide? Say you disagree with him, but to wish death upon someone, and then declare them non-muslim is a very ... non-muslim thing to do.
rabbi_shergill
April 22nd, 2005, 04:06 AM
Bin laden and Saddam both committed genocide agianst there own muslims...and the Al-qaida (Bin laden is part of) network is still committing the acts everday here in Iraq under Zarqawi..... Bottom line is they were asshole muslims....and yes the are EVIL and Evil-Doers.......im not saying Bush is the greatest.....Ive seen what Al-qaida can do and there a hell of a lot worse than Bush.....
not talking about bush but the US in general...think about they've killed billions of people (hiroshima, nagasaki, vietnam, world war 2, gulf war1, 2, many others...)
rehanmaya
April 22nd, 2005, 04:14 AM
If you think about it, there are alot of reasons Osama attacked the US, but I personally dont agree that killing innocent people was the right thing to do. I have dont alot of research on this topic and according to that, Osama attacked to US cause of the US's support for Isreal against Palestine. They are equipping Isreal to kill Paletinians. Kosovo's people are also dying because of US funded programs and lack of aid given in that country. I think that the US went into Iraq and Afghanistan for it's own benefit and not for Osama, more for the oil and that was a smart move for the US to get it's resources together, but Osama in my view is smarter because he attacked the US and hurt the economy, then he hasn't gotten caught yet, AND he is costing the US 2 BILLION dollars a DAY for these wars and the US thought that they can get the oil without problems so the costs will be recovered, but Osama is getting people to blow up the pipelines so the US cant even cover the costs. Bad, but smart. I understand both views and I think that both are doing things the wrong way. Therefore I do not side with any of them, nor do I defend them. America and Osama are or have killed innocent people and that's all that goes into proving that none of the sides are innocent.
JOHNNY KBAR
April 22nd, 2005, 04:17 AM
not talking about bush but the US in general...think about they've killed billions of people (hiroshima, nagasaki, vietnam, world war 2, gulf war1, 2, many others...)
I agree with that they have killed many....But that doesnt take away from the fact Bin laden and Saddam were evil for the things they did ..... The Iraqis and Afghanis I talked to over the years are extremely greatful that binladen is a coward on the run and Saddam is piece of shit ...I talk to iraqis everyday and all the want to do is rip Saddam apart...Then they want to attack Bin ladens/Zarqawi's al-Qaida.....that words from ppl that live on the ground here......If they appreciate the effort i dont see why ppl back home "knock it"
desi_balla63
April 22nd, 2005, 04:20 AM
If you think about it, there are alot of reasons Osama attacked the US, but I personally dont agree that killing innocent people was the right thing to do. I have dont alot of research on this topic and according to that, Osama attacked to US cause of the US's support for Isreal against Palestine. They are equipping Isreal to kill Paletinians. Kosovo's people are also dying because of US funded programs and lack of aid given in that country. I think that the US went into Iraq and Afghanistan for it's own benefit and not for Osama, more for the oil and that was a smart move for the US to get it's resources together, but Osama in my view is smarter because he attacked the US and hurt the economy, then he hasn't gotten caught yet, AND he is costing the US 2 BILLION dollars a DAY for these wars and the US thought that they can get the oil without problems so the costs will be recovered, but Osama is getting people to blow up the pipelines so the US cant even cover the costs. Bad, but smart. I understand both views and I think that both are doing things the wrong way. Therefore I do not side with any of them, nor do I defend them. America and Osama are or have killed innocent people and that's all that goes into proving that none of the sides are innocent.
I think the stat is about 3 million a year the U.S gives in aid to the Israel.
rehanmaya
April 22nd, 2005, 04:28 AM
I think the stat is about 3 million a year the U.S gives in aid to the Israel.
Actually the stat is 3 BILLION in aid a year to Israel from the US. US companies like CocaCola give 5% of their profits to Israel too. I've read that Israel receives aid contributions upto 150 BILLION USD a year and out of that 120-125 Billion is from the US!!! Oh and CocaCola does have HUGE profits, afterall, the economy of Coca Cola is bigger than Russia's at the curren time and it generates more revenue than Russia too. :eek:
ViGiLaNtE-X
April 22nd, 2005, 04:28 AM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
it wasnt ozzy
desi_balla63
April 22nd, 2005, 04:29 AM
Actually the stat is 3 BILLION in aid a year to Isreal from the US. US companies like CocaCola give 5% of their profits to Isreal too. I've read that Isreal receives aid contributions upto 150 BILLION USD a year and out of that 120-125 Billion is from the US!!! Oh and CocaCola does have HUGE profits, afterall, the economy of Coca Cola is bigger than Russia's at the curren time and it generates more revenue than Russia too. :eek:
Ok, so I was off by a zero. :Pissed:
rehanmaya
April 22nd, 2005, 04:30 AM
Ok, so I was off by a zero. :Pissed:
Heyy.. I don't mind adding even one zero to the end of my salary check, not to mention three. ;)
rehanmaya
April 22nd, 2005, 04:34 AM
Ok, so I was off by a zero. :Pissed:
Oh, and by the way a million and a billion have a difference of 3 zeros...not 1 :p
nabx
April 22nd, 2005, 04:56 AM
Reading this thread, I can understand why all the cheif officials are white people and i must say that they achieved what they wanted to ... man these guys are brilient ...to my friends and my sisters(Khala zat)...Who ever is reading this thread i study one of the technologies the security technologies...i can tell u guys that american intelegence is so strong that even a bird cant fly if they dont want it to... now think before u speak...4 air crafts went out of route... the planes hiting the twin towers were our of route for 15 minuits...WHY???? can any one anser that question ???? and tell u want the largest of air force bases are NY so think before u speak...they did what they wanted to and are quiet successful in that...
desi_balla63
April 22nd, 2005, 05:03 AM
Heyy.. I don't mind adding even one zero to the end of my salary check, not to mention three. ;)
Join the club.
I don't get a paycheck, I get paid in cash. ;)
desi_balla63
April 22nd, 2005, 05:03 AM
Oh, and by the way a million and a billion have a difference of 3 zeros...not 1 :p
:neutral: well aren't u a little bright skittle
nabx
April 22nd, 2005, 05:08 AM
Fuck Osama Bin Laden Son Of A Bitch! Because Of Him All The Desi's Are Hated In America And Else Where! I Go To The Bank They Look At Me Funny... Yo What The Fuck Was That Motherfucka Smokin ... I'd Shoot Him In His Fuckin Head... He Disgraced All The Good Muslims Out There... And Now Even Non Muslims Like Myself Are Paying The Price Just Cuz We Look Muslim... Don't Get It Twisted I Don't Hate Muslims, In Fact, I Don't Consider Osama Bin Laden To Be A Muslim, I Think He's Fuckin Evil... So Whatever.. Lol
who cares about desis any way ??????
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 22nd, 2005, 10:55 AM
the U.S. gives 3 million a yr to ISRAEL?
AHAH YEH RIGHT....
i'll get back to you gyz w/ the numbers n everything...
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 22nd, 2005, 11:01 AM
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html
The Cost of Israel to US Taxpayers
By Richard H. Curtiss
Former U.S. Foreign Service Officer
The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
For many years the American media said that “Israel receives $1.8 billion in military aid” or that “Israel receives $1.2 billion in economic aid.” Both statements were true, but since they were never combined to give us the complete total of annual U.S. aid to Israel, they also were lies—true lies.
Recently Americans have begun to read and hear that “Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid.” That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.
One can truthfully blame the mainstream media for never digging out these figures for themselves, because none ever have. They were compiled by the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. But the mainstream media certainly are not alone. Although Congress authorizes America's foreign aid total, the fact that more than a third of it goes to a country smaller in both area and population than Hong Kong probably never has been mentioned on the floor of the Senate or House. Yet it's been going on for more than a generation.
Probably the only members of Congress who even suspect the full total of U.S. funds received by Israel each year are the privileged few committee members who actually mark it up. And almost all members of the concerned committees are Jewish, have taken huge campaign donations orchestrated by Israel's Washington, DC lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), or both. These congressional committee members are paid to act, not talk. So they do and they don't.
The same applies to the president, the secretary of state, and the foreign aid administrator. They all submit a budget that includes aid for Israel, which Congress approves, or increases, but never cuts. But no one in the executive branch mentions that of the few remaining U.S. aid recipients worldwide, all of the others are developing nations which either make their military bases available to the U.S., are key members of international alliances in which the U.S. participates, or have suffered some crippling blow of nature to their abilities to feed their people such as earthquakes, floods or droughts.
Israel, whose troubles arise solely from its unwillingness to give back land it seized in the 1967 war in return for peace with its neighbors, does not fit those criteria. In fact, Israel's 1995 per capita gross domestic product was $15,800. That put it below Britain at $19,500 and Italy at $18,700 and just above Ireland at $15,400 and Spain at $14,300.
All four of those European countries have contributed a very large share of immigrants to the U.S., yet none has organized an ethnic group to lobby for U.S. foreign aid. Instead, all four send funds and volunteers to do economic development and emergency relief work in other less fortunate parts of the world.
The lobby that Israel and its supporters have built in the United States to make all this aid happen, and to ban discussion of it from the national dialogue, goes far beyond AIPAC, with its $15 million budget, its 150 employees, and its five or six registered lobbyists who manage to visit every member of Congress individually once or twice a year.
AIPAC, in turn, can draw upon the resources of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, a roof group set up solely to coordinate the efforts of some 52 national Jewish organizations on behalf of Israel.
Among them are Hadassah, the Zionist women’s organization, which organizes a steady stream of American Jewish visitors to Israel; the American Jewish Congress, which mobilizes support for Israel among members of the traditionally left-of-center Jewish mainstream; and the American Jewish Committee, which plays the same role within the growing middle-of-the-road and right-of-center Jewish community. The American Jewish Committee also publishes Commentary, one of the Israel lobby’s principal national publications.
Perhaps the most controversial of these groups is B’nai B’rith’s Anti-Defamation League. Its original highly commendable purpose was to protect the civil rights of American Jews. Over the past generation, however, the ADL has regressed into a conspiratorial and, with a $45 million budget, extremely well funded hate group.
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 22nd, 2005, 11:02 AM
In the 1980s, during the tenure of chairman Seymour Reich, who went on to become chairman of the Conference of Presidents, ADL was found to have circulated two annual fund-raising letters warning Jewish parents against allegedly negative influences on their children arising from the increasing Arab presence on American university campuses.
More recently, FBI raids on ADL’s Los Angeles and San Francisco offices revealed that an ADL operative had purchased files stolen from the San Francisco police department that a court had ordered destroyed because they violated the civil rights of the individuals on whom they had been compiled. ADL, it was shown, had added the illegally prepared and illegally obtained material to its own secret files, compiled by planting informants among Arab-American, African-American, anti-Apartheid and peace and justice groups.
The ADL infiltrators took notes of the names and remarks of speakers and members of audiences at programs organized by such groups. ADL agents even recorded the license plates of persons attending such programs and then suborned corrupt motor vehicles department employees or renegade police officers to identify the owners.
Although one of the principal offenders fled the United States to escape prosecution, no significant penalties were assessed. ADL’s Northern California office was ordered to comply with requests by persons upon whom dossiers had been prepared to see their own files, but no one went to jail and as yet no one has paid fines.
Not surprisingly, a defecting employee revealed in an article he published in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs that AIPAC, too, has such “enemies” files. They are compiled for use by pro-Israel journalists like Steven Emerson and other so-called “Terrorism experts,” and also by professional, academic or journalistic rivals of the persons described for use in blacklisting, defaming, or denouncing them. What is never revealed is that AIPAC’s “opposition research“ department, under the supervision of Michael Lewis, son of famed Princeton University Orientalist Bernard Lewis, is the source of this defamatory material.
But this is not AIPAC’s most controversial activity. In the 1970s, when Congress put a cap on the amount its members could earn from speakers’ fees and book royalties over and above their salaries, it halted AIPAC’s most effective ways of paying off members for voting according to AIPAC recommendations. Members of AIPAC’s national board of directors solved the problem by returning to their home states and creating political action committees (PACs).
Most special interests have PACs, as do many major corporations, labor unions, trade associations and public-interest groups. But the pro-Israel groups went wild. To date some 126 pro-Israel PACs have been registered, and no fewer than 50 have been active in every national election over the past generation.
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 22nd, 2005, 11:02 AM
An individual voter can give up to $2,000 to a candidate in an election cycle, and a PAC can give a candidate up to $10,000. However, a single special interest with 50 PACs can give a candidate who is facing a tough opponent, and who has voted according to its recommendations, up to half a million dollars. That’s enough to buy all the television time needed to get elected in most parts of the country.
Even candidates who don’t need this kind of money certainly don’t want it to become available to a rival from their own party in a primary election, or to an opponent from the opposing party in a general election. As a result, all but a handful of the 535 members of the Senate and House vote as AIPAC instructs when it comes to aid to Israel, or other aspects of U.S. Middle East policy.
There is something else very special about AIPAC’s network of political action committees. Nearly all have deceptive names. Who could possibly know that the Delaware Valley Good Government Association in Philadelphia, San Franciscans for Good Government in California, Cactus PAC in Arizona, Beaver PAC in Wisconsin, and even Icepac in New York are really pro-Israel PACs under deep cover?
Hiding AIPAC’s Tracks
In fact, the congress members know it when they list the contributions they receive on the campaign statements they have to prepare for the Federal Election Commission. But their constituents don’t know this when they read these statements. So just as no other special interest can put so much “hard money” into any candidate’s election campaign as can the Israel lobby, no other special interest has gone to such elaborate lengths to hide its tracks.
Although AIPAC, Washington’s most feared special-interest lobby, can hide how it uses both carrots and sticks to bribe or intimidate members of Congress, it can’t hide all of the results.
Anyone can ask one of their representatives in Congress for a chart prepared by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress, that shows Israel received $62.5 billion in foreign aid from fiscal year 1949 through fiscal year 1996. People in the national capital area also can visit the library of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) in Rosslyn, Virginia, and obtain the same information, plus charts showing how much foreign aid the U.S. has given other countries as well.
Visitors will learn that in precisely the same 1949-1996 time frame, the total of U.S. foreign aid to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined was $62,497,800,000--almost exactly the amount given to tiny Israel.
According to the Population Reference Bureau of Washington, DC, in mid-1995 the sub-Saharan countries had a combined population of 568 million. The $24,415,700,000 in foreign aid they had received by then amounted to $42.99 per sub-Saharan African.
Similarly, with a combined population of 486 million, all of the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean together had received $38,254,400,000. This amounted to $79 per person.
The per capita U.S. foreign aid to Israel’s 5.8 million people during the same period was $10,775.48. This meant that for every dollar the U.S. spent on an African, it spent $250.65 on an Israeli, and for every dollar it spent on someone from the Western Hemisphere outside the United States, it spent $214 on an Israeli.
Shocking Comparisons
These comparisons already seem shocking, but they are far from the whole truth. Using reports compiled by Clyde Mark of the Congressional Research Service and other sources, freelance writer Frank Collins tallied for the Washington Report all of the extra items for Israel buried in the budgets of the Pentagon and other federal agencies in fiscal year 1993.Washington Report news editor Shawn Twing did the same thing for fiscal years 1996 and 1997.
They uncovered $1.271 billion in extras in FY 1993, $355.3 million in FY 1996 and $525.8 million in FY 1997. These represent an average increase of 12.2 percent over the officially recorded foreign aid totals for the same fiscal years, and they probably are not complete. It’s reasonable to assume, therefore, that a similar 12.2 percent hidden increase has prevailed over all of the years Israel has received aid.
As of Oct. 31, 1997 Israel will have received $3.05 billion in U.S. foreign aid for fiscal year 1997 and $3.08 billion in foreign aid for fiscal year 1998. Adding the 1997 and 1998 totals to those of previous years since 1949 yields a total of $74,157,600,000 in foreign aid grants and loans. Assuming that the actual totals from other budgets average 12.2 percent of that amount, that brings the grand total to $83,204,827,200.
But that’s not quite all. Receiving its annual foreign aid appropriation during the first month of the fiscal year, instead of in quarterly installments as do other recipients, is just another special privilege Congress has voted for Israel. It enables Israel to invest the money in U.S. Treasury notes. That means that the U.S., which has to borrow the money it gives to Israel, pays interest on the money it has granted to Israel in advance, while at the same time Israel is collecting interest on the money. That interest to Israel from advance payments adds another $1.650 billion to the total, making it $84,854,827,200.That’s the number you should write down for total aid to Israel. And that’s $14,346 each for each man, woman and child in Israel.
It’s worth noting that that figure does not include U.S. government loan guarantees to Israel, of which Israel has drawn $9.8 billion to date. They greatly reduce the interest rate the Israeli government pays on commercial loans, and they place additional burdens on U.S. taxpayers, especially if the Israeli government should default on any of them. But since neither the savings to Israel nor the costs to U.S. taxpayers can be accurately quantified, they are excluded from consideration here.
Further, friends of Israel never tire of saying that Israel has never defaulted on repayment of a U.S. government loan. It would be equally accurate to say Israel has never been required to repay a U.S. government loan. The truth of the matter is complex, and designed to be so by those who seek to conceal it from the U.S. taxpayer.
Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants. On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal. But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans. In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury.
Israel enjoys other privileges. While most countries receiving U.S. military aid funds are expected to use them for U.S. arms, ammunition and training, Israel can spend part of these funds on weapons made by Israeli manufacturers. Also, when it spends its U.S. military aid money on U.S. products, Israel frequently requires the U.S. vendor to buy components or materials from Israeli manufacturers. Thus, though Israeli politicians say that their own manufacturers and exporters are making them progressively less dependent upon U.S. aid, in fact those Israeli manufacturers and exporters are heavily subsidized by U.S. aid.
Although it’s beyond the parameters of this study, it’s worth mentioning that Israel also receives foreign aid from some other countries. After the United States, the principal donor of both economic and military aid to Israel is Germany.
By far the largest component of German aid has been in the form of restitution payments to victims of Nazi atrocities. But there also has been extensive German military assistance to Israel during and since the Gulf war, and a variety of German educational and research grants go to Israeli institutions. The total of German assistance in all of these categories to the Israeli government, Israeli individuals and Israeli private institutions has been some $31 billion or $5,345 per capita, bringing the per capita total of U.S. and German assistance combined to almost $20,000 per Israeli. Since very little public money is spent on the more than 20 percent of Israeli citizens who are Muslim or Christian, the actual per capita benefits received by Israel’s Jewish citizens would be considerably higher.
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 22nd, 2005, 11:03 AM
True Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
Generous as it is, what Israelis actually got in U.S. aid is considerably less than what it has cost U.S. taxpayers to provide it. The principal difference is that so long as the U.S. runs an annual budget deficit, every dollar of aid the U.S. gives Israel has to be raised through U.S. government borrowing.
In an article in the Washington Report for December 1991/January 1992, Frank Collins estimated the costs of this interest, based upon prevailing interest rates for every year since 1949. I have updated this by applying a very conservative 5 percent interest rate for subsequent years, and confined the amount upon which the interest is calculated to grants, not loans or loan guarantees.
On this basis the $84.8 billion in grants, loans and commodities Israel has received from the U.S. since 1949 cost the U.S. an additional $49,936,880,000 in interest.
There are many other costs of Israel to U.S. taxpayers, such as most or all of the $45.6 billion in U.S. foreign aid to Egypt since Egypt made peace with Israel in 1979 (compared to $4.2 billion in U.S. aid to Egypt for the preceding 26 years). U.S. foreign aid to Egypt, which is pegged at two-thirds of U.S. foreign aid to Israel, averages $2.2 billion per year.
There also have been immense political and military costs to the U.S. for its consistent support of Israel during Israel’s half-century of disputes with the Palestinians and all of its Arab neighbors. In addition, there have been the approximately $10 billion in U.S. loan guarantees and perhaps $20 billion in tax-exempt contributions made to Israel by American Jews in the nearly half-century since Israel was created.
Even excluding all of these extra costs, America’s $84.8 billion in aid to Israel from fiscal years 1949 through 1998, and the interest the U.S. paid to borrow this money, has cost U.S. taxpayers $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Or, put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis received from the U.S. government by Oct. 31, 1997 has cost American taxpayers $23,240 per Israeli.
It would be interesting to know how many of those American taxpayers believe they and their families have received as much from the U.S. Treasury as has everyone who has chosen to become a citizen of Israel. But it’s a question that will never occur to the American public because, so long as America’s mainstream media, Congress and president maintain their pact of silence, few Americans will ever know the true cost of Israel to U.S. taxpayers.
ArAbIaN eYeZ
April 22nd, 2005, 11:03 AM
YES I KNOW 2 much 2 read
but very informative.......
parmi2000
April 22nd, 2005, 05:20 PM
who cares about desis any way ??????
This is a desi website... what the hell are you smoking man???
As far as the intelligence stuff... I don't know all that... I just know that we were hated before 911 but now we are hated 1000 times more... that's all I gotta say... you don't like it... too bad go suck on Osama Bin Laden's Cock asshole!
vimi
April 22nd, 2005, 05:25 PM
Chillin
RedInk
April 23rd, 2005, 04:07 AM
guess what? *whispers* it wasn't osama....
...I will elaborate on his point later this weekend when I get time :cool: ...
...I didn't know this shyt was so far from everyone's eyes. :rolleyes: ...
...Going to sleep now :sleep: ...
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