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methodman535
January 21st, 2005, 06:25 AM
They say that the ph of the blood, saliva and bolily fluids is a critical indicator of how well you can fight disease and how healthy you are. And mainly its supposed to be a result of diet...minerals for the most part.

methodman535
January 21st, 2005, 06:26 AM
Understanding pH Level and Why Many
People Have Disease, Including Cancer.



According to the research of Dr. Enderlein, total healing of chronic illness only takes place when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH. In case you missed it, let me say it again...

Total healing of chronic illness only takes place when and
if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH.

pH: What does it mean? pH is the abbreviation for potential hydrogen. The pH of any solution is the measure of its hydrogen-ion concentration. The higher the pH reading, the more alkaline and oxygen rich the fluid is. The lower the pH reading, the more acidic and oxygen deprived the fluid is. The pH range is from 0 to 14, with 7.0 being neutral. Anything above 7.0 is alkaline, anything below 7.0 is considered acidic.

The pH scale is from 0 - 14
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 healthy 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

Human blood stays in a very narrow pH range right around ( 7.35 - 7.45 ). Below or above this range means symptoms and disease. If blood pH moves to much below 6.8 or above 7.8, cells stop functioning and the patient dies. The ideal pH for blood is 7.4

A healthy blood pH without cancer has acid + alkaline balance almost equal. Actually a healthy body is slightly alkaline measuring approximately 7.4. This ideal blood 7.4 pH measurement means it is just slightly more alkaline than acid.

0 is acid ------ blood pH ( 7.35 - 7.45 ) healthy ------ over 7 to 14 is alkaline

If you have a health problem, most likely you are acidic. Research shows that unless the body's pH level is slightly alkaline, the body cannot heal itself. So, no matter what type of modality you choose to use to take care of your health problem, it won't be effective until the pH level is up. If your body's pH is not balanced, you cannot effectively assimilate vitamins, minerals and food supplements. Your body pH affects everything.

The body has to have a balanced pH like most living things on earth or it does not function correctly. The alkaline level is very important because research has already proven that disease cannot survive in an alkaline state and yet they thrive in an acidic environment.

An acidic balance will: decrease the body's ability to absorb minerals and other nutrients, decrease the energy production in the cells, decrease it's ability to repair damaged cells, decrease it's ability to detoxify heavy metals, make tumor cells thrive, and make it more susceptible to fatigue and illness.

An acidic pH can occur from, an acid forming diet, emotional stress, toxic overload, and/or immune reactions or any process that deprives the cells of oxygen and other nutrients. The body will try to compensate for acidic pH by using alkaline minerals. If the diet does not contain enough minerals to compensate, a build up of acids in the cells will occur.

There are two factors that are ALWAYS present with cancer no matter what else may be present. Those two factors are Acid pH and Lack of Oxygen. Can we manipulate those two factors that always have to be present for cancer to develop and by doing so will that help reverse the cancer? If so, we need to learn how to manipulate those two factors.

Cancer needs an acid and low oxygen environment to survive and flourish within. Terminal cancer patients are around 1000 times more acidic than normal healthy people. The vast majority of terminal cancer patients possess a very low body pH. Why?

In the absence of oxygen, glucose undergoes fermentation to lactic acid. This causes the pH of the cell to drop from between 7.3 to 7.2 down to 7 and later to 6.5 in more advanced stages of cancer and in metastases the pH drops to 6.0 and even 5.7 or lower. Our bodies simply can not fight disease if our body pH is not properly balanced.

The normal human cell has a lot of molecular oxygen and a slightly alkaline pH. The cancer cell has an acid pH and lack of oxygen. Cancer cells cannot survive in an oxygen rich environment. At a pH slightly above 7.4 cancer cells become dormant and at pH 8.5 cancer cells will die while healthy cells will live. Again, the higher the pH reading, the more alkaline and oxygen rich the fluid is. Cancer and all diseases hate oxygen / pH balance. The proper alkalinity pH of the blood ( 7.35 - 7.45 ) is critical for the overall health of the body. In other words... alkaline or die.

Remember that the pH number is an exponent number of 10; therefore, a small difference in pH translates to a big difference in the number of oxygen or OH-ions. A difference of 1 in a pH value means ten times the difference in the number of OH-ions, a difference of 2 means one hundred times the difference in the number of OH-ions. In other words, blood with a pH value of 7.45 contains 64.9% more oxygen than blood with a pH value of 7.30.

Fact: If your body's pH is not balanced, you cannot effectively assimilate vitamins, minerals and food supplements. Also, mucus on the small intestine can block your body from vitamin and mineral absorption. Learn how to cleanse the Small Intestine... Click Here

How To Test Your pH Level...

Test your pH level: If you are sick or have cancer simply wet a piece of Litmus Paper with your saliva 2 hours after a meal. This will give a reflection of your state of health.

Salivary pH Test: While generally more acidic than blood, salivary pH mirrors the blood ( if not around meals ) and is also a fairly good indicator of health. It tells us what the body retains. Salivary pH is a fair indicator of the health of the extracellular fluids and their alkaline mineral reserves.

Optimal pH for saliva is 6.4 to 6.8. Spit upon arising before anything is put into the mouth. A reading lower than 6.4 is indicative of insufficient alkaline reserves. After eating, the saliva pH should rise to 7.8 or higher. Unless this occurs, the body has alkaline mineral deficiencies ( mainly Calcium and Magnesium ) and will not assimilate food very well. To deviate from ideal salivary pH for an extended time invites illness.

Acidosis, an extended time in the acid pH state, can result in rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, lupus, tuberculosis, osteoporosis, high blood pressure, most cancers and many more. If salivary pH stays too low, the diet should focus on fruit, vegetables and mineral water as well as remove strong acidifiers such as sodas, whole wheat and red meat.

Urinary pH Test: The pH of the urine indicates how the body is working to maintain the proper pH of the blood. The urine reveals the alkaline building (anabolic) and acid tearing down (catabolic) cycles. The pH of urine indicates the efforts of the body via the kidneys, adrenals, lungs and gonads to regulate pH through the buffer salts and hormones. Urine can provide a fairly accurate picture of body chemistry, because the kidneys filter out the buffer salts of pH regulation and provide values based on what the body is eliminating. Urine pH can vary from around 4.5 to 9.0 for its extremes, but the ideal range is 5.8 to 6.8.

Foods considered to be alkaline-forming and thus helpful to people with consistently acid pH include: almonds, aloe vera, apples, apricots, bee pollen, buckwheat, cabbage, cantaloupe, celery, carrots, cucumbers, dairy products except hard cheese, dates, dulse, poached eggs, figs, grapefruit, honey, lettuce, millet, parsley, raisins, peaches, fresh red potatoes, pineapple, soy products, sprouted seeds, cooked spinach, turnip tops, wakame miso soup, azuki beans, rice, mineral water. More alkaline-forming foods... Click Here

People who remain too acid often display symptoms such as: anxiety, diarrhea, dilated pupils, extroverted behavior, fatigue in early morning, headaches, hyperactivity, hypersexuality, insomnia, nervousness, rapid heartbeat, restless legs, shortness of breath, strong appetite, high blood pressure, warm dry hands and feet.

Balancing the pH is a major step toward well-being and greater health. Acidosis ( overly acidic body ) is the primary indicator of Calcium Deficiency Disease. Scientists have discovered that the body fluids of healthy people are alkaline ( high pH ) whereas the body fluids of sick people are acidic ( low pH ). Coral Calcium and drinking alkaline water can help balance your body pH.

rager
January 24th, 2005, 03:54 AM
I don't know where you got this from, but it's not true, and actually dangerous to be putting up on forums and trying to pass off as fact. pH balance in a body is very important, but trying to move your body's pH into a more alkalotic range is not practiced in any hospital in the US, and is definitely NOT the standard of care(which means we do not attempt to put our patients into an alkalosis unless I feel the overwhelming urge to be sued for malpractice.)

methodman535
January 24th, 2005, 05:19 AM
I don't know where you got this from, but it's not true, and actually dangerous to be putting up on forums and trying to pass off as fact. pH balance in a body is very important, but trying to move your body's pH into a more alkalotic range is not practiced in any hospital in the US, and is definitely NOT the standard of care(which means we do not attempt to put our patients into an alkalosis unless I feel the overwhelming urge to be sued for malpractice.)


Passing what off as fact? That normal fluid Ph is an indicator of health? Why don tyou dispute it if you feel so sure of yourself.

rager
January 24th, 2005, 11:00 PM
I don't even know where to begin. Of course you should keep your pH in the normal range, it's not really up to you, you're body will do it on it's own. You're body needs to maintain a normal ph to facilitate the unloading of oxygen from red blood cells at the tissue level. This is known as the oxygen hemoglobin disassociation curve, which you can look up, and see that an acidic env. shifts this curve to the left, an alkalotic env. shifts it to the right. So either way, you're RBC's will not work right. Acidosis/alkalosis need to be broken down into respiratory vs. metabolic vs chronic vs acute. Respiratory acidosis occurs in people with Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, asthma exacerbation, or anything that slows down the respiratory rate or decreased the diffusion gradient for CO2 across the alveolar surface. Metabolic acidosis is caused by anything that increases the hydrogen ion concentration or decreased bicarb levels (you're body uses bicarbonate anion/carbonic acid as it's primary buffering system). Metabolic acidosis needs to be broken down further into anion gap versus non anion gap. Causes for anion gap metabolic acidosis include methanol ingestion, uremia, diabetic ketoacidosis, paraldehyde ingestion, ischemia, lactic acidosis, ethanol, salicylates. This is the mosy important group, and when people are very sick with infections, sepsis, they get this way. If you try to articficially change your body's ph level, you'll just pee out more bicarb/retain more bicarb and your body will compensate for it. There is absolutely NO evidence in the medical literature (JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine) that maintaining an alkalotic body ph is better. A normal ph is all you need, somewhere between 7.35 to 7.45.

methodman535
January 25th, 2005, 01:00 AM
I still dont understand what you are disputing. This article says that cancer patients have ph that is up to 1000 more acidic than normal people, it clearly states that if the blood ph gets more acidic than the NORMAL 7.35 - 7.45 range the body becomes diseased because it cannot transport oxygen properly to cells, effectively assimilate vitamins, minerals and food supplements.

Then it claims that people who have a consistently acidic blood ph can be helped if they eat more of certain types of foods. Alkaline forming foods rich in certain classes if vitamins, Mainly calcium and magnesium in a highly bioavailable form I am guessing....but just guessing here.

Nowhere does it recommend alkalosis going beyond the NORMAL ph levels, does it? So whats dangerous about what I pasted?

And which part of this article could never be seen in JAMA/AMA etc?

rager
January 25th, 2005, 03:02 AM
"If you have a health problem, most likely you are acidic. Research shows that unless the body's pH level is slightly alkaline, the body cannot heal itself." That line is misleading, maybe you meant you should have a normal ph. Alklalosis by definition is a ph>7.45, which is abnormal, even a slight alkalosis. The body does not compensate for acid by using alkalotic minerals. Depending on what's causing the acidosis, it compensates either by retaining/creating bicarbonte anion, or by increasing your respiratory rate to blow off more CO2. Most people with health problems are not acidotic, they have normal ph. Cancer actually requires a lot of oxygen to survive, not less. The Positron Emission Tomography scans, or PET scan, is one modality we use in the hospital to non-invasively help rasie the suspicion that a patient has cancer. It looks at blood flow, and we can pinpoint cancers with this because cancers have increased blood flow to them, due to their extremely high mitotic rates and increased need for all nutrients, including oxygen. In fact, one way cancers manage to survive and spread is by a process called angiogenesis, which literally means creating new blood vessels. More blood vessels, more blood, more oxygen. "Cancer cells cannot survive in an oxygen rich environment. At a pH slightly above 7.4 cancer cells become dormant and at pH 8.5 cancer cells will die while healthy cells will live." This is a dangerous line to pass of as fact. If I was doing morning rounds on a patient, and their ph came back at 8.5, it would buy them a stay in ICU. This article is a bunch of numbers and "facts", but it's not saying anything. First of all, it's not a study. It's not even a review article, I don't see any superscripts to any references. Articles in JAMA/NEJM are done in a scientific way, randomized, double blinded, placebo controlled studies. Results are always expressed in terms of their statistical significance, with a p<0.05 needed as a minimum cutoff for a piece of data to be deemed valid. Read an article from those journals, and you'll see the difference between the 2.

methodman535
January 25th, 2005, 04:29 AM
"If you have a health problem, most likely you are acidic. Research shows that unless the body's pH level is slightly alkaline, the body cannot heal itself." That line is misleading, maybe you meant you should have a normal ph. Alklalosis by definition is a ph>7.45, which is abnormal, even a slight alkalosis.



I dont know why you are quoting me. This isnt my article its something that I found and pasted. Regardless, any PH over 7 is "slightly alkaline" so the article is correct. 7.35 - 7.45 is slightly alkaline. It also happens to be normal ph but the article does NOT say that slightly alkaline=ph greater than 7.45 anywhere.



The body does not compensate for acid by using alkalotic minerals. Depending on what's causing the acidosis, it compensates either by retaining/creating bicarbonte anion, or by increasing your respiratory rate to blow off more CO2.




In the short term it doesnt compensate for acid by using alkalotic minerals, as in very very short term. Nowhere in the article does it suggest that these "alkaline foods" be used as an emergency measure, or in any medical procedure.


I did a google quickly and came up with some info on calcium being leeched from a person's bones over a long term, to compensate for a "highly acidic diet" made up of foods which have a net acidic effect on the body as a whole from ingestion, all the way through egestion.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C587518.html

Acidic diets (high in protein and refined food) will cause bone calcium leaching in order to maintain your blood pH balance. Chronic leeching of calcium from the bones increases the likelihood of osteoporosis. [Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2001: 73, pp.118-122, Lancet 1968:1, pp.958-959]

A contributing cause of neuritis is chronic acidosis, that is, excessive acid condition of the blood and other body fluids. All the body fluids should be alkaline in their reaction, but when the acidic wastes are continuously formed in the tissues over a long period due to a faulty diet, it can result in an overly acid state. Stress and over work lower the tone of nervous system and contribute towards acidic neuritis.

Foods that leave an acidic ash after being metabolized include proteins, starches, alcohol and sugar. When these types of food are avoided, the tissues become more alkaline. An alkaline diet is composed of approximately 75% alkaline foods and 25% acid foods.



Now this seems to back up the theory, although not in a JAMA article, of diet having an effect on ph buffering and mineral deficiencies, and how its all interrelated.




Most people with health problems are not acidotic, they have normal ph. Cancer actually requires a lot of oxygen to survive, not less. The Positron Emission Tomography scans, or PET scan, is one modality we use in the hospital to non-invasively help rasie the suspicion that a patient has cancer. It looks at blood flow, and we can pinpoint cancers with this because cancers have increased blood flow to them, due to their extremely high mitotic rates and increased need for all nutrients, including oxygen. In fact, one way cancers manage to survive and spread is by a process called angiogenesis, which literally means creating new blood vessels. More blood vessels, more blood, more oxygen. "Cancer cells cannot survive in an oxygen rich environment. At a pH slightly above 7.4 cancer cells become dormant and at pH 8.5 cancer cells will die while healthy cells will live." This is a dangerous line to pass of as fact. If I was doing morning rounds on a patient, and their ph came back at 8.5, it would buy them a stay in ICU. This article is a bunch of numbers and "facts", but it's not saying anything.




"Cancer cells cannot survive in an oxygen rich environment. At a pH slightly above 7.4 cancer cells become dormant and at pH 8.5 cancer cells will die while healthy cells will live."

Well...do you dispute this or agree with this? The article agrees that 7.35 to 7.45 is the normal range for, I think blood and lymph ph? Or maybe just blood ph. Well its asserting clearly that if the ph goes slightly above 7.4...then cancer cells will stop growing. In other words, they wont be cancer any more since they wont grow faster than normal cells.

I dont know where that line was derived from but I assume theres some study backing it up, with perhaps isolated cell cultures that are in a petri dish at 8.5 PH? I am not sure what the article is getting at but its not clearly recommending a person somehow adjust their blood ph to 8.5. Perhaps lymph ph has the ability to survive at 8.5? I dont know.



First of all, it's not a study. It's not even a review article, I don't see any superscripts to any references. Articles in JAMA/NEJM are done in a scientific way, randomized, double blinded, placebo controlled studies. Results are always expressed in terms of their statistical significance, with a p<0.05 needed as a minimum cutoff for a piece of data to be deemed valid. Read an article from those journals, and you'll see the difference between the 2.

Yes its not a study. It appears to be a sales pitch for Coral Calcium but I pasted it because it was thought provoking for me. And I was able to google some information on how a highly acidic diet can cause a calcium deficiency in the body, was I not?

I have seen this "acid ash foods, alkaline ash foods" concept on quite a few web sites related to homeopathic medicine and alternative health care techniques and find them interesting enough to investigate, thoroughly.

rager
January 25th, 2005, 05:03 AM
Dude, In Harrison's principal's of internal medicine, the bible of medicine, alkaline is defined as a ph greater than 7.45. That is a fact, I don't care what google says about it. This is how calcium is related to acidosis. Calcium exists in 2 forms in the human body, bound to plasma proteins, and in a free ionized form. It's split about half and half. The free form is the only form capable of being filtered across the kidneys, but 99% of that is reabsorbed. Acidosis decreases the portion bound to plasma protiens. So theoretically you could lose enough calcium via your urine as the free portion increases, but this would take years, and you would have to have virtually no calcium in your diet. So the whole point is that giving the calcium won't fix the acidosis, it just fixes the low calcium levels. The low calcium follows the acidosis, not the other way around.

methodman535
January 25th, 2005, 07:36 AM
So according to what you just said, it doesnt matter if a person eats a highly acidic diet or a highly alkaline diet-the body will adjust perfectly well and as long as the essential minerals are present in the diet in enough quantity the body will extract exactly what is needed and egest and excrete the rest correct?

The first green paragraph seems to be taken from a scientific journal and it seems to hint at an "alkaline diet" as a remedy, very long term remedy I presume, for chronic acidosis...in fact more of a preventative measure. Do you also dispute that and consider it quackery?


And Harrison's might define acidic body ph as >7.45 but this article seems to be completely ignoring that definition. Maybe nutritionists and non M.D. doctors dont use that definition.