Are desis in the west healthier than desi in desiland?

[methodman535]

Ok take people born in India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Compared to the desis born in the USA, OZ, UK ets...are the FOBs usually shorter, unhealthier and generally less healthy?

Supposedly the diet in the West is better than the east..at least around where desis come from. Most abcds are supposedly a few inches taller than their parents are but is this due to better nutrition or is it because the bovine growth hormone used in cows has turned abcds into slightly bigger farm animals than their ancestors?

Also...theres supposedly less pollution in the west than in Indo-pak areas but how could that be if there is 1/10th the industrialization in desi countries...where will all the chemicals and pesticides and fertilizers come from to pollute desi born desis?

And as far as junk food is concerned, isnt more of it sold in the west and eaten in the west. What about the quality of stuff you buy at the grocers for home cooked meals. :think:

Besides desis suddenly becoming taller, are there any obvious signs of better health?

Oh and btw..how to white americans compare in height to the average heights of britishers, irish, germans, italians etc? Arent americans this century generally tallers, mysteriously, than all their ancestors. Perhaps its due to Bovine Growth Hormone or maybe to increased protein intake. We also know that right now, obesity, diabetes and heart disease is plaguing the US more than say...France.

[dyaus]

you are quite inquisitive.

[methodman535]

you are quite inquisitive.


:rolleyes:

[dyaus]

:rolleyes:
nothing to roll your eyes at, it was a compliment.

[methodman535]

So dont abcds look healthier than fobs?

[aspaan]

So dont abcds look healthier than fobs?

I agree with you on that

on average desi raised here are of better health compared to peeps raised in India

[celicababyboy]

majority of the fobs basicly jus care about makin money at there parents motels, liquor stores n eatin junk food for free

but when majority of the ABCDs are at the gym, eatin healthy

[JIGS_LONDON]

maybe...but still I haven't seen a girl ass attractive as Aishwarya in the west....

[methodman535]

maybe...but still I haven't seen a girl ass attractive as Aishwarya in the west....


You havent seen her without makeup then.

[JIGS_LONDON]

and still she managed to become one of the most beautiful Miss Worl of all times...I mean as if western actresses are beautiful wih no make up on..come on.....India has some of the most beautiful people in the world

[methodman535]

Thats irrelevent. We are talking about DESIS who are either in a desi country or are 1st or second generation raised in the west. Im asking how they compare, I dont care how Desis compare to non desis in appearance since Im interested only in the environment of the west compared to the environment of india, pak and bangladesh.

[Omna82]

In general terms, I've noticed that desis in the homeland are more fuller (figured) than here, seem (just from my observations) to have lower rates of cancer, but seem to be plagued with diabetes, periodontics (gum disease), and/or heart disease (probably due to our cuisine?).

[methodman535]

In general terms, I've noticed that desis in the homeland are more fuller (figured) than here, seem (just from my observations) to have lower rates of cancer, but seem to be plagued with diabetes, periodontics (gum disease), and/or heart disease (probably due to our cuisine?).


Im pretty sure its diet related too. The huge amount of polished rice thats eaten in India, especially in the south and east, in proportion to whole kernel grains is a big reason for failure of adrenal glands and even livers cuz the body has to deal with a tidal wave of sugary stuff, rancid fats and starch bombs and hardly gets enough fruit and veg to build up strength so you have all these diseased people.

Theres also very little quality animal fat and animal protein in those diets.

[rager]

You see the negative effects of diabetes more in India because people don't really screen themselves for it. We wouldn't here in the US either if primary cares didn't force people to basically. So in India they present more often with end organ effects of the disease like vision changes, heart attacks, leg pain, etc, whereas here in the US, people are diagnosed when the disease is in it's early stages and treated. I haven't seen any studies showing a higher incidence of the disease in Indians. Indians do tend to have worse cholesterol levels (high LDL, low HDL), and also have smaller heart arteries. Both these combine to put Indians at higher risk of heart attacks when compared to europeans. I don't know if it varies between Indians here and back in desiland. I don't think so, you can be skinny(which most Indians are), and still have bad lipid levels. Cholesterol levels are only 10-15% related to diet, the rest is determined by genetics.

[methodman535]

You see the negative effects of diabetes more in India because people don't really screen themselves for it. We wouldn't here in the US either if primary cares didn't force people to basically. So in India they present more often with end organ effects of the disease like vision changes, heart attacks, leg pain, etc, whereas here in the US, people are diagnosed when the disease is in it's early stages and treated. I haven't seen any studies showing a higher incidence of the disease in Indians. Indians do tend to have worse cholesterol levels (high LDL, low HDL), and also have smaller heart arteries. Both these combine to put Indians at higher risk of heart attacks when compared to europeans. I don't know if it varies between Indians here and back in desiland. I don't think so, you can be skinny(which most Indians are), and still have bad lipid levels. Cholesterol levels are only 10-15% related to diet, the rest is determined by genetics.


Really nice little paragraph here and if it were true then you would not have a DOUBLING of diabetes and obesity in the USA between the period 1992 and 2004. The number of diabetics DOUBLED!!!! The number of obese people also DOUBLED!

This couldnt possibly be related to genetics. :roll2:

[pr1nce ch4rming]

my dad was born in india,,he may be sorta short,,but hes strong as hell prolly from all that farm work lol same wif my ggrandfather,,,they soliid

[methodman535]

my dad was born in india,,he may be sorta short,,but hes strong as hell prolly from all that farm work lol same wif my ggrandfather,,,they soliid


Not just the farm work, the clean and good food on farms makes you solid. This makes me think that maybe you are unhealthier than them from havin no excercise and eating modern american junk food.

Im just guessing this I have no idea really but see I think the FOBs that come to the USA and are UNHEALTHY arent coming from farms, they are coming from big desi cities which have junk food worse than american junk food and they get even less excercise than americans.

The FOBs that come to america from desi farms are what? 1 in 20 maybe...most fobs are from urban areas...unhealthy background.

[paulie walnuts]

Ok take people born in India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Compared to the desis born in the USA, OZ, UK ets...are the FOBs usually shorter, unhealthier and generally less healthy?

Supposedly the diet in the West is better than the east..at least around where desis come from. Most abcds are supposedly a few inches taller than their parents are but is this due to better nutrition or is it because the bovine growth hormone used in cows has turned abcds into slightly bigger farm animals than their ancestors?

Also...theres supposedly less pollution in the west than in Indo-pak areas but how could that be if there is 1/10th the industrialization in desi countries...where will all the chemicals and pesticides and fertilizers come from to pollute desi born desis?

And as far as junk food is concerned, isnt more of it sold in the west and eaten in the west. What about the quality of stuff you buy at the grocers for home cooked meals. :think:

Besides desis suddenly becoming taller, are there any obvious signs of better health?

Oh and btw..how to white americans compare in height to the average heights of britishers, irish, germans, italians etc? Arent americans this century generally tallers, mysteriously, than all their ancestors. Perhaps its due to Bovine Growth Hormone or maybe to increased protein intake. We also know that right now, obesity, diabetes and heart disease is plaguing the US more than say...France.
"healthy" is a tricky word.

abcd's are definitely bigger/taller. in the west, we are more nourished overall. caloric intake is higher, as is vitamin and mineral intake.

while that can be a good thing, the higher caloric intake and MUCH higher intake of processed foods is ultimately worse for our health. obesity amongst abcd's is quite high (i recently read a report on this in India Abroad). the same article showed that fobs who have settled here for at least 15 years show nearly identical rates of obesity to regular americans, whereas the rate declines dramatically as you reduce the number of years since immigration.

and here is another curveball, medical care and healthcare facilities are obviously MUCH better. the system itself keeps abcd's healthier (yearly physicals, blood tests, etc.)

in the west, you will find the two extremes. the healthiest desis in the world will be living in the west, and the most obese desis in the world will be living in the west.

it all depends on what you define as "healthy", there can be arguments made in favor of each position.

another factor people like to use is looks. i think abcd's LOOK healthier for sure, for a number of reasons. i don't think it necessarily means they ARE healthier. but at the same time, many people claim with confidence that girls in india generally look better than abcd girls here. based on personal observation, this is probably true. the reverse is probably true for the guys.

i know i offered no discernible conclusion, but there are too many factors involved. BTW, the desis IN india that i'm referring to are middle to upper class people. all others are undoubtedly less healthy and die 25 years earlier, on average.

[axman319]

maybe...but still I haven't seen a girl ass attractive as Aishwarya in the west....


ill drink to that :drink:

[rager]

methodman, I think you aren't understanding what I'm saying. Think of it like this. Say there are 10 people with diabetes. In 1980, only 4 of them would have been diagnosed with diabetes due to the fact we weren't looking for it as often, and our diagnostic tests weren't as good. Today, all 10 would be diagnosed with diabetes. So it's not like more people are getting the disease, just more people are being diagnosed with it. Diet and lifestyle does have a role in type 2 diabtes, we know that when some people lose weight, the diabetes is easier to control, and may even disappear. But we don't know why this happens. Type 1 diabetes is purely genetic. My earlier post about genetics I was mainly referring to the cholesterol levels in people's bodies. Again, most of that is determined by genetics. And yes Aishwarya Rai is hot.

[methodman535]

rager I dont think you understand what I am saying. Obesety and diabetes have tripled in the USA since 1982. National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) says that one out of every three kids born in the year 2000 will develop type 2 diabetics. The reason is NOT genetic. Genes cannot change this drastically in one generation, its impossible. The CDC says the #1 risk factor for type2 diabetes is being obese. The #2 is activity level, ie excercise.

This HAS to be related to diet, its undeniable.

[rager]

I believe in my post I did say that obesity is linked to type 2 diabetes. Type 1 is purely genetic. But what I said before is also true, the higher rate of diagnosis is increasing the incidence of the disease. 50 years ago, these kids would have developed diabtes, and we wouldn't even have known about it. They would have ended up dying from a heart attack, and would never have been counted in the group of people that have diabetes. Obesity is causing more people to develop diabetes, but the increased awareness of the disease and better testing are also catching more cases of it, which will artificially inflate the number. We also recently changed the cutoff values for a fasting blood sugar required to be diagnosed with diabetes to 126mg/dl, which means more people will fall into this category, and again, increasing the number of people diagnosed with the disease. So people are getting fatter and getting the disease moreoften true, but we are also being more careful in diagnosing the disease, making the number seem bigger than it really is. The same thing holds true for cancer. In my original post I was mainly speaking of the genetic link to high cholesterol levels.

[methodman535]

I dunno. I just think its alarming that in the last 20 years, both obesity and diabetes have more than tripled. I'm seriously suspecting I might be prone to it because sometimes I feel "heavy" after pigging out on starchy food. And actually I dont think the fasting sugar level tests really even begin to tell the whole story. Its the way your body handles the yin-yan swinging of blood sugar levels that deteromine how well your adrenals and pancreas function isnt it???

So in my rogue opinion, the tests for diabetes are useless and the "treatment" is even more useless, injecting insulin or whatever. I think the treatment is actually just getting off your butt and doing cardio for 30 minutes with a heart rate of 150 or above 5 times a week and totally eliminating garbage high GI food from ones diet.

Or something like that...I dunno yet.

[rager]

No dude, you're definitely correct about diet and exercise helping people with type 2 diabetes. I often tell people that losing weight is the most important thing they can do for themseles. Type 2's generally don't need to take insulin injections, they take oral hypoglycemics that make the pancreas increase it's insulin production, or increase skeletal muscle sensetivity to lower levels of circulating inslin. When the pancreas completely burns out is when we need to start these people on injections, but again, if you watch your weight, it may never get to that point. Type 2 used to be called adult onset diabetes, but this is a misnomer as we are seeing more kids with this disease. For the most part though, it tends to manifest later in life, such as late 40's early 50's. Fasting blood sugar does tell us how well the pancreas handles sugars, because if the pancreas can't make enough insulin, then even the fasting sugar will be high. There's also a glucose challenge test we use, I forget the exact numbers for that one, but it pretty much has a cut off for how high your blood sugar can be a few hours after a glucose load, and if you're above the cutoff, you have diabetes. That's sometimes done after the fasting is high. There is a genetic component to type 2 though, do either of your parents or anyone else in your family have it?

[methodman535]

Nobody in my family has it but I dont think its a black and white "have it or not" deal with diabetes. Its a bad pancreas and adrenals that cause it in my opinion and its not a clear "burned out pancreas" or "perfectly functional pancreas" that define wheather you have diabetes or not. I think it can actually start off as being so subtle that medical tests(at least the crude ones doctors give to patients) cannot detect it as being a problem.

I am convinced that firstly its mainly caused by something fucked up in the diet and to a lesser extent a person;s lifestyle, and thirdly to a MUCH lesser extent the genetics of a person. I am also, very strongly convinced that not only can you prevent it before the age of 100 but you can actually almost completely reverse it as long as your system isnt fucked up beyond repair.

My goal is to never get to the point where a test in a lab says I have a problem, because thats not the point where "treatment" in the form of synthetic enzymes is gunna "treat" me and make everything OK...thats the point of failure and the beginning of a very fast and miserable end. I dont know how many people actually recover and reverse the disease at that point with the help of their doctors and prescibed medicines/insulin but I suspect its less than half, and I dont want to risk being in that other half.

[rager]

You know, for someone who likes to sound so smart, you really don't know anything. Where the hell do you get your information from? It sounds like you piece it together from stuff you read on the internet, alternative health gurus, and a lot of heresay. I'm trying to be nice and tell you that is you suspect you may have it, there are things you can do to catch it early. But fuck it, if you're too stupid to accept it, then go ahead and do whatever you think is the best thing. I guess you spent 4 years in med school and got your MD, not me. And where are you getting this adrenals shit from. First of all stupid, they don't make insluin. Insulin is a protein hormone produced by the Beta cells of the liver. The adrenal produce aldosterone, glucocorticoids, and sex hormones, all of which are steroid hormones, and have a completetly different mechanism of cellular action than protein hormones(do you know the difference smart guy?). And who the fuck are you to call our tests crude? They diagnose and save millions of lives everyday, people with diabtes would be lost without their onetouch meters. Instruments as small as a car key fob that can detect blood sugars down to the nanogram with a volume of blood smaller than a pinprick. You should actually try reading this thing called a "book" that contains things we call "facts". Since you like to state your opinion so much, as opposed to fact, you might actually end up saying something smart one day.

[SholaShabnam]

i think us westerners are not as healthy as our motherland counterparts. when i went to pakistan none of the girls my age were fat, i mean they were all SLIM. plus they all had really nice skin. i thought the guys there were too skinny however. they need to go to the gym and gain muscle. i still think we aren't as healthy as them because many people in america are fat asses. our diet is healthier only if u eat the veggies and fruits and proteins and all that HEALTHY crap, the regular fast food and re-heated foods aren't very healthy. and then the simple things in our motherland like walking and doing housework make ppl in our motherland more active. and then ppl back home don't get weird ass diseases like chronic depression and kidney problems as much as we do in america. we definitely have the resources to live extremely healthy and active lives such as gyms and nutritous food but we do not have the time and can't make the effort to use them.

[rager]

Oh yeah, you're totally right. Nobody gets kidney disease in Indian even though diabetes is just as common there, and kidney failure is present in 100% of poeple with longstanding diabetes. Let me say this, just cause you're skinny doesn't mean you're healthy. Indians as a whole have very bad genetics as far as their hearts are concerened. You can be skinny as a rail, be walking around with an LDL of 200, and drop dead from a heart attack at 50. And heart disease is the main thing that kills everyone, incuding Indians here, Indians in India, Indians anywhere.

[SholaShabnam]

Oh yeah, you're totally right. Nobody gets kidney disease in Indian even though diabetes is just as common there, and kidney failure is present in 100% of poeple with longstanding diabetes. Let me say this, just cause you're skinny doesn't mean you're healthy. Indians as a whole have very bad genetics as far as their hearts are concerened. You can be skinny as a rail, be walking around with an LDL of 200, and drop dead from a heart attack at 50. And heart disease is the main thing that kills everyone, incuding Indians here, Indians in India, Indians anywhere.
well maybe i wasn't thinking bout india when i said that because diabetes is not so common in pakistan, heart disease is though. and no i don't think the skinnier you are the better. i meant that you shouldn't be fat.

[rager]

That's OK. I'll let it slide this time cause you're hot.

[SholaShabnam]

That's OK. I'll let it slide this time cause you're hot.
yea umreekan food made me hot

[methodman535]

You know, for someone who likes to sound so smart, you really don't know anything. Where the hell do you get your information from? It sounds like you piece it together from stuff you read on the internet, alternative health gurus, and a lot of heresay. I'm trying to be nice and tell you that is you suspect you may have it, there are things you can do to catch it early.



Oh how nice of you. I dont need you to tell me what to do if I suspect I have it, if I suspect I have it I will get tested for it. Apparently it didnt sink into your thick skull that I plan on NEVER EVER GETTING IT THROUGH PREVENTION. And I also believe that people build up to it gradually without realizing it. And crude tests wont warn you in advance until its too late. Get it? And yeah I do get my information from the internet, alternative health gurus, and a lot of heresay.



But fuck it, if you're too stupid to accept it, then go ahead and do whatever you think is the best thing. I guess you spent 4 years in med school and got your MD, not me. And where are you getting this adrenals shit from. First of all stupid, they don't make insluin.



I never said they make insulin, they make ADRENALine to counterbalance low sugar levels in the blood, or HIGH INSULIN LEVELS in the blood too. Yeah I got this info from an alternative health guru who said diabetes starts with insulin levels that get too high and stay too high in the blood, wearing the adrenals down in their counterbalancing role.



Insulin is a protein hormone produced by the Beta cells of the liver. The adrenal produce aldosterone, glucocorticoids, and sex hormones, all of which are steroid hormones, and have a completetly different mechanism of cellular action than protein hormones(do you know the difference smart guy?).



No I didnt know the difference and I still dont give a flying fuck cuz I dont see how it relates to anything. And for someone who keeps bragging about passing 4 years of med school you sure sound like a victim of extensive brain damage cuz when I was in HS they taught us the pancreas produced insulin in the islets of langerhans or something like that. And that the liver just stores sugars. I guess times changed and so did livers?



And who the fuck are you to call our tests crude? They diagnose and save millions of lives everyday, people with diabtes would be lost without their onetouch meters. Instruments as small as a car key fob that can detect blood sugars down to the nanogram with a volume of blood smaller than a pinprick. You should actually try reading this thing called a "book" that contains things we call "facts". Since you like to state your opinion so much, as opposed to fact, you might actually end up saying something smart one day.


Alright Dr Quack, make sure your lithium dose wasnt skipped today you seem to be getting upset again. When I called the tests that doctors gave crude, I didnt mean docs didnt have sophisticated tests AVAILABLE to them. Just that there are some cheap and some expensive tests. I was referring to the standard test for blood sugar, or FASTING blood sugar that they give during routine physicals, either through urinalisis or blood samples I dunno which, nor do I really care. They DONT give challenge tests where the patient is fed something sweet to see how they handle and stabalize their blood sugar after that. And Im pretty sure they dont test the levels of insulin and adrenaline in the blood either. And they dont give treadmill tests either do they? So yeah they MUST be crude since they arent predicting diabetes before it actually HITS THE PERSON? DOH! :no:

[methodman535]

i think us westerners are not as healthy as our motherland counterparts. when i went to pakistan none of the girls my age were fat, i mean they were all SLIM. plus they all had really nice skin. i thought the guys there were too skinny however. they need to go to the gym and gain muscle. i still think we aren't as healthy as them because many people in america are fat asses. our diet is healthier only if u eat the veggies and fruits and proteins and all that HEALTHY crap, the regular fast food and re-heated foods aren't very healthy. and then the simple things in our motherland like walking and doing housework make ppl in our motherland more active. and then ppl back home don't get weird ass diseases like chronic depression and kidney problems as much as we do in america. we definitely have the resources to live extremely healthy and active lives such as gyms and nutritous food but we do not have the time and can't make the effort to use them.


You got a point there, if girls in pak look awesome and healthy and their skins are glowing then they are doing something right, or not doing something wrong. Yeah either the diet or the sun or the excercise or a combination is having that good effect I dunno. Who knows really but I too have seen some healthy fobs that just seem very fit and happy. But many arent. Its a mystery...I wish someone would do extensive organised studies to figure out whats really going on with desis.

[dyaus]

This forum was meant to be informative and helpfull.

None of that ego vs ego crap in here. If you want to argue like that then go to the serious discussion forum.

You can debate all you want, just keep it civil. :wavey:

[rager]

More examples of stupidity by you
1) You admit you get information from heresay.
2) Islets of Langerhans consist of alpha, beta and delta cells. Alpha secretes glucagon, beta secretes insulin, delta secretes somatostatin.
3) Your insulin levels getting high is an indicator of early diabetes. It is a consequence of the skeletal muscle's resistance to insulin, which the defining feature of diabetes. So I'll put it simply for your walnut sized brain. High insulin does not cause diabetes, it is a result of diabetes. Man, did you not pay any attention in school or something?
4) Adrenalin is an outdated word that no one uses. The correct term is epinephrine or norepinephrine. Although it plays a small part in increasing blood glucose, the major hormone used to increase blood glucose levels is glucagon. Human growth hormone also increases blood glucose, maybe you should take an electric drill, jam it up your nose, and destroy your pituitary gland so you won't have to worry about that either. Of course you'll destroy some brain, but it probably won't affect you very much. Good luck with your future diabetes.
5) The fasting blood sugar test is over 90% sensitive for diagnosing diabetes, which is a very good. The 4 hour glucose tolerance test is not any more sensitive, more expensive, and takes longer. But if you want it, all you have to do is ask your doctor. He'll think you're stupid, which you are, but he'll do it anyways. There is another test, which I could tell you about that tells you how your sugars have been doing over the last 3 months. But I'll let you look it up on your own.

[rager]

What ego? I'm stating facts, pure and simple.

[dyaus]

What ego? I'm stating facts, pure and simple.

No need for name calling. Do it in a civilized way or dont do it at all.

[methodman535]

More examples of stupidity by you
1) You admit you get information from heresay.
2) Islets of Langerhans consist of alpha, beta and delta cells. Alpha secretes glucagon, beta secretes insulin, delta secretes somatostatin.



Yeah and they are in the fuckin PANCREAS not the liver Dr Quack. Why are you telling me all this, I dont really care what they do or dont do in fact it doesnt matter. What matters is what makes the whole thing stop working properly to me, not your jabbering of trivia which you cant even get right since you switched the liver with the pancreas. I hope you arent getting into surgery, you might yank out someone's liver instead of their gall bladder.



3) Your insulin levels getting high is an indicator of early diabetes. It is a consequence of the skeletal muscle's resistance to insulin, which the defining feature of diabetes. So I'll put it simply for your walnut sized brain. High insulin does not cause diabetes, it is a result of diabetes. Man, did you not pay any attention in school or something?



I didnt say high insulin causes diabetes, I said high insulin wears down the adrenals. Are you getting glaucoma? Can you read the screen properly. I heard Glaucoma is sometimes the first sign of diabetes for people that havent been properly diagnosed.


4) Adrenalin is an outdated word that no one uses. The correct term is epinephrine or norepinephrine. Although it plays a small part in increasing blood glucose, the major hormone used to increase blood glucose levels is glucagon. Human growth hormone also increases blood glucose, maybe you should take an electric drill, jam it up your nose, and destroy your pituitary gland so you won't have to worry about that either. Of course you'll destroy some brain, but it probably won't affect you very much. Good luck with your future diabetes.



Is that what you did to yourself? So its not really glaucoma but brain damage that is causing you to misread what I wrote and type out insane blunders like the liver producing insulin? Or is the pancreas an "outdated" organ as far as insulin production is concerned...and now textbooks say the liver produces it?



5) The fasting blood sugar test is over 90% sensitive for diagnosing diabetes, which is a very good. The 4 hour glucose tolerance test is not any more sensitive, more expensive, and takes longer. But if you want it, all you have to do is ask your doctor. He'll think you're stupid, which you are, but he'll do it anyways. There is another test, which I could tell you about that tells you how your sugars have been doing over the last 3 months. But I'll let you look it up on your own.

Thats a great idea, why dont you run along to the opthalmogist now and get tested for glaucoma in the meantime while I look up tests for diabetes.

[methodman535]

No need for name calling. Do it in a civilized way or dont do it at all.

Leave him be, hes making an ass out of himself and Im sure people will enjoy reading this farce. The guy is a doctor but he is getting owned by a random person who is just going by HS biology and information from "hearesay". He obviously is suffering from severe mental problems because his brain isnt able to properly read and process simple sentences on the computer right in front of his nose.

[rager]

Allright, I meant pancreas when I wrote liver in one hurriedly typed post 5 posts ago. You got me, I must not know anything I'm talking about. What a huge blunder, it completely negates everything I said. One type-o, and that's the majority of your ammuition against me? Wow, you are pathetic. Did you find the test yet smart guy? It might be the one that puts your paranoia to rest.

[methodman535]

Allright, I meant pancreas when I wrote liver in one hurriedly typed post 5 posts ago. You got me, I must not know anything I'm talking about. What a huge blunder, it completely negates everything I said. One type-o, and that's the majority of your ammuition against me? Wow, you are pathetic. Did you find the test yet smart guy? It might be the one that puts your paranoia to rest.


You just never give up do you? Im done with your little ego game. You win...4 years of medical school and you can finally impress a guy who took standard Bio in HS. Congrats rager...heres your medal.


No I didnt find the test, I am not gunna look either although I suspect its the A1c blood test and/or just sitting at home with pins and those glucose strips and turning yourself into a guinea pig and measing your sugar after drinking fructose, glucose etc.

Let me repeat what I said...err..three times at least. I dont think I will be able to catch any signs of diabetes but based on the CDC predicting that one in three kids born in 2000 have diabetes all I want to do is PREVENT MYSELF FROM EVER GETTING IT by simpley working out 30 minutes a day and making some drastic diet changes(eating healthy). Or doing whatever else I find is going to PREVENT it from happening in the first place. Im not paranoid enough yet to buy any kind of testing.

[rager]

Thank you methodman, medal accepted. There's nothing wrong with eating healthy and exercising, I think that stuff's good. But all these herbals, blahblah piss me off because there's no good science behind it. There is so much information available to us now with the internet, and you have to be smart enough to see beyond the smoke and mirrors crap that a lot of these alternative health gurus push. A lot of the way you were thinking about diabetes is incorrect, in terms of molecular reasons behind why it happens. You say it's not important, and you don't care, but then you would be able to say hey, what this guy's website says makes nosense. You need to read about it in a real textbook if you feel like you want to do something about it to change it.