adren@line... why do you hate muslims?

[desi_balla63]

Let's keep the muslim hate to one place, ya?

So tell me, what do you hate about us. :?

[Cunard]

Let's keep the muslim hate to one place, ya?

So tell me, what do you hate about us. :?

cause hes a right wing hindu

[dopekhor]

He just cant get over the fact that muslims being a minority gave more things to the subcontinent then anyone else.

[adren@line]

lol man.

Ive said this before:

I dont hate "Muslims". I do hate Muslim extremists, and I hate what the Mughals have done to South Asia (but that is irrelevant).

Overall, I do not hate Muslims, as they are a very varied group.

I *hate* Islam. I do not like the religion at all. To me it is an Arab cult, in which one of its goals is world-wide domination with a Muslim majority (this is a fact).

I also do not like the condescending tone and the overtones of superiority that the religion promotes for Muslims over non-Muslims.

Islam is inherently disrespectfull to peoples of other faiths. We are all potential converts or pawn in this ultimate plan of global domination. It breeds and "us vs them" mentality.

Secondly, I am a proud American. I am also a proud Indian and Hindu. I hate anyone who is anti-American, or anti-Indian/Hindu, and coincidentally, the majority of those people are Muslims.

I can safely say I will never respect nor sympathize with anyone who wishes to see America destroyed or hurt, and I can safely say that alot of Muslims wish this for the USA.

NOW, believe it or not, I have had Muslim friends when I lived in NC. Religion was never an issue, they didnt try to convert me, and kept the religion to themselves. In other words, they werent religious, or they werent religious enough to let it affect me.

[adren@line]

cause hes a right wing hindu

nope.

I am a moderate, more than anything else. I just have some strong opinions on certain subjects.

You and I share many similar viewpoints, except you are more neutral when it comes to Islam.

[Cunard]

He just cant get over the fact that muslims being a minority gave more things to the subcontinent then anyone else.

and your fool just as big as adren@line

[ana]

He just cant get over the fact that muslims being a minority gave more things to the subcontinent then anyone else.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :D

[adren@line]

He just cant get over the fact that muslims being a minority gave more things to the subcontinent then anyone else.

you know I think that statement is bullshit, so I dont get why you posted it. My opinion is that Muslims have fucked up South Asia, yours is different.

Its been beaten to death.

[Cunard]

nope.

I am a moderate, more than anything else. I just have some strong opinions on certain subjects.

a moderate doesnt hate a whole religion on the actions of some

[Cunard]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :D

and what exactly are u clapping about?

[adren@line]

a moderate doesnt hate a whole religion on the actions of some


dude, I have already said I hate Islam because of the religon itself. There is nothing about it that I like.

Just because one learns about a religion or philosophy, does not mean they will like the religion, or even respect it. Take Nazism, for example.

[Cunard]

dude, I have already said I hate Islam because of the religon itself. There is nothing about it that I like.

Just because one learns about a religion or philosophy, does not mean they will like the religion, or even respect it. Take Nazism, for example.

nazism isnt a religion, your so point is weak

[adren@line]

nazism isnt a religion

it is a philosophy though, amongst other things.

[Emon Crew]

lol man.

Ive said this before:

I dont hate "Muslims".

I *hate* Islam. I do not like the religion at all. To me it is an Arab cult, in which one of its goals is world-wide domination with a Muslim majority (this is a fact).

I also do not like the condescending tone and the overtones of superiority that the religion promotes for Muslims over non-Muslims.

Islam is inherently disrespectfull to peoples of other faiths. We are all potential converts or pawn in this ultimate plan of global domination. It breeds and "us vs them" mentality.

Secondly, I am a proud American. I am also a proud Indian and Hindu. I hate anyone who is anti-American, or anti-Indian/Hindu, and coincidentally, the majority of those people are Muslims.
I can safely say I will never respect nor sympathize with anyone who wishes to see America destroyed or hurt, and I can safely say that alot of Muslims wish this for the USA.

NOW, believe it or not, I have had Muslim friends when I lived in NC. Religion was never an issue, they didnt try to convert me, and kept the religion to themselves. In other words, they werent religious, or they werent religious enough to let it affect me.

where do you come up with such random nonsense? Did you find that in the dictionary? Your hate for islam is because you lack propper knowledge about Islam. Read what the Religion is really about before making a rash uneducated comment like the ones u made in ur posts.

[Cunard]

it is a philosophy though, amongst other things.

philosophy that has gone wrong

in islam, only some followers have gone wrong, the ideals in place are not wrong, perhaps a little out of date, but the same can be said about any faith

[adren@line]

where do you come up with such random nonsense? Did you find that in the dictionary? Your hate for islam is because you lack propper knowledge about Islam. Read what the Religion is really about before making a rash uneducated comment like the ones u made in ur posts.

Over one year of research and interaction on various Muslim forums and interaction with Muslims themselves.

If you do not believe that this idea of world-wide domination is nonsense, look it up. It is belief within Islam.

And is there any reason you put what I typed in bold? Do you have a problem with patriotism?

[adren@line]

philosophy that has gone wrong

in islam, only some followers have gone wrong, the ideals in place are not wrong, perhaps a little out of date, but the same can be said about any faith

yes, but you are forgetting that Islam claims it is perfect, the only true religion, and the last complete religion.

When something makes such ridiculous claims, it must be examined under a microscope and ripped apart.

Look at Nazism and thier claims of a "master race".

[angelique]

a moderate doesnt hate a whole religion on the actions of some
would you consider me a moderate?

i do not know what the quran ahs to say, but some of the extreme interpretations i hear, i kind of dislike it too. i do not hate the religion, as a very good friend of my sister explained a lot of it to me, and it made a lot more sense, than what i heard previously.

islam needs a revolution by very well read specialized people. I kid you not.

there was this video, by some female professor of islamic studies, she being muslim her self. and she stated a variety of misconceptions about islam and its status of woman, explaining the era it was written it, and th epolitical conditions etc, and it made a lot more sense.

so really i dislike the current mass interprertations of islam. there should be more people like that professor or my sister's friend to follow it and preach it.

[Cunard]

yes, but you are forgetting that Islam claims it is perfect, the only true religion, and the last complete religion.

When something makes such ridiculous claims, it must be examined under a microscope and ripped apart.

Look at Nazism and thier claims of a "master race".

ever major religion says they are the perfect way, hopefully people are smart enough and can think with there own heads instead of what is brain washed to them.......like i said, every faith has these problems

[desi_balla63]

lol man.

Ive said this before:

I dont hate "Muslims". I do hate Muslim extremists, and I hate what the Mughals have done to South Asia (but that is irrelevant).

Like you said, it's irrelevant. Don't judge based on the minority extremists.

Overall, I do not hate Muslims, as they are a very varied group.

I *hate* Islam. I do not like the religion at all. To me it is an Arab cult, in which one of its goals is world-wide domination with a Muslim majority (this is a fact).

You referred to it as a cult in the other thread because we "chant" in Arabic. Coming from someone who 'hates' islam because it's not respectful to other cultures, I'd think you'd be a little more understanding. Reciting the Quran is not a chant.

I also do not like the condescending tone and the overtones of superiority that the religion promotes for Muslims over non-Muslims.

The superiority you're referring to is a 'our religion is right' attitude. Any/Most religions have that. I think you're really searching for reasons to hate muslims/Islam.

Islam is inherently disrespectfull to peoples of other faiths. We are all potential converts or pawn in this ultimate plan of global domination. It breeds and "us vs them" mentality.

Again, it's a religion that preaches. That doesn't make it a "us vs. them" it makes it a "we think we're right, and here's why you should agree" type of thing.

Secondly, I am a proud American. I am also a proud Indian and Hindu. I hate anyone who is anti-American, or anti-Indian/Hindu, and coincidentally, the majority of those people are Muslims.

The majority of Muslims are not anti-american.

I can safely say I will never respect nor sympathize with anyone who wishes to see America destroyed or hurt, and I can safely say that alot of Muslims wish this for the USA.

Again, don't turn a minority example into a majority belief.

NOW, believe it or not, I have had Muslim friends when I lived in NC. Religion was never an issue, they didnt try to convert me, and kept the religion to themselves. In other words, they werent religious, or they werent religious enough to let it affect me.

Happy to hear, buddy.

[Cunard]

would you consider me a moderate?

i do not know what the quran ahs to say, but some of the extreme interpretations i hear, i kind of dislike it too. i do not hate the religion, as a very good friend of my sister explained a lot of it to me, and it made a lot more sense, than what i heard previously.

islam needs a revolution by very well read specialized people. I kid you not.

there was this video, by some female professor of islamic studies, she being muslim her self. and she stated a variety of misconceptions about islam and its status of woman, explaining the era it was written it, and th epolitical conditions etc, and it made a lot more sense.

so really i dislike the current mass interprertations of islam. there should be more people like that professor or my sister's friend to follow it and preach it.

yes, your a moderate

[Emon Crew]

Over one year of research and interaction on various Muslim forums and interaction with Muslims themselves.

If you do not believe that this idea of world-wide domination is nonsense, look it up. It is belief within Islam.

And is there any reason you put what I typed in bold? Do you have a problem with patriotism?

wow you must be dumber than I thought. I put my statement in BOLD because it was your own opinion, that you're trying to say here as a FACT. I dont think there was a consensus that got together and figured out that "muslims" account for the majority of people who hate america/indian's/hindu's.

You can't even BS propperly. And your own personal interaction is worth shit, because it's biased and not random samples. Once you go to college and learn statistics beta, you'll understand where I'm comming from.

[dopekhor]

and your fool just as big as adren@line
and?

[adren@line]

ever major religion says they are the perfect way, hopefully people are smart enough and can think with there own heads instead of what is brain washed to them.......like i said, every faith has these problems

No.

Only Abrahamic religions make idiotic and bold claims.

Christians say they are right and that you *must* accept Jesus.
Jews believe they are Gods "choosen people"
Muslims believe they follow the last prophet and a perfect religion.

As we can see, there was a trend in the middle-east to develope totalitarian religions that used extremes within there philosophies. They are very direct in asserting that they are better than any one who is not a member of their faith.

Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and Sikhism do not make these claims. All are nuetral in regards to peoples of other faiths. None of these religions claim to be perfect, etc. I dont know where you got that info from.

[desi_balla63]

Just a note...

I honestly want to have a civil thread here, don't turn it into a "you hindu, go eat a cow" please, thank you.

[Emon Crew]

would you consider me a moderate?

i do not know what the quran ahs to say, but some of the extreme interpretations i hear, i kind of dislike it too. i do not hate the religion, as a very good friend of my sister explained a lot of it to me, and it made a lot more sense, than what i heard previously.

islam needs a revolution by very well read specialized people. I kid you not.

there was this video, by some female professor of islamic studies, she being muslim her self. and she stated a variety of misconceptions about islam and its status of woman, explaining the era it was written it, and th epolitical conditions etc, and it made a lot more sense.

so really i dislike the current mass interprertations of islam. there should be more people like that professor or my sister's friend to follow it and preach it.

I agree with you on hating that mass interpretation of Islam, but that's not Islam's fault. It's not even the Quran's fault. It's because of the way it's portrayed by the media and terrorist organizations. They go out and do bad things in the name of GOD, and then the Media turns it into a twisted misconception of the religion.

It's like if hundreds of mental patients and bums escaped from a hospital and started cutting people with medical instruments in the name of "doctors" and people started getting the wrong impression of doctors.

[angelique]

yes, your a moderate
i really wasn't asking for approval. that is a lot of diplomatic writing :p

to add to that, islam has been brought into question after 9/11 by fools i tell you.

it has more to do with the socio economic and political condition of the state and people living in that country, than anything else. you find a hindu who had to leave kashmir and lost family there, and you ask him to become a suicide bomber and kill a few near amasjid, i dare say he would do it. it is the lack of opportunity, and the currently stable socio economic status, that keeps him from do it.


(and that is no fictional person, i do know of such a man)

[adren@line]

wow you must be dumber than I thought. I put my statement in BOLD because it was your own opinion, that you're trying to say here as a FACT. I dont think there was a consensus that got together and figured out that "muslims" account for the majority of people who hate america/indian's/hindu's.

You can't even BS propperly. And your own personal interaction is worth shit, because it's biased and not random samples. Once you go to college and learn statistics beta, you'll understand where I'm comming from.

Save the name calling. I can dish out plenty at you, but I wont.

Anyways, It is common sense:
Palestianians hate America
The Arab states and the majority of its citizens hate America.

In fact, many Muslims believe that these wars waged by the US are an attack on Islam and Muslims.

Have you EVER met a religious Muslim that isnt from the US that has had anything positive to say about the US?

I havent, or even heard of it.

Why would they? They have no reason to.

[Cunard]

No.

Only Abrahamic religions make idiotic and bold claims.

Christians say they are right and that you *must* accept Jesus.
Jews believe they are Gods "choosen people"
Muslims believe they follow the last prophet and a perfect religion.

As we can see, there was a trend in the middle-east to develope totalitarian religions that used extremes within there philosophies. They are very direct in asserting that they are better than any one who is not a member of their faith.

Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and Sikhism do not make these claims. All are nuetral in regards to peoples of other faiths. None of these religions claim to be perfect, etc. I dont know where you got that info from.

the religion doesnt, but people do, hindutva is one such group, babber khalsa is another, then u got your buddists who bomb hindi concerts in sri lanka............are these the reps of the faiths?? of coarse not.......the actions of a few shouldnt make one smear everyone with the same brush

[Cunard]

i really wasn't asking for approval. that is a lot of diplomatic writing :p

to add to that, islam has been brought into question after 9/11 by fools i tell you.

it has more to do with the socio economic and political condition of the state and people living in that country, than anything else. you find a hindu who had to leave kashmir and lost family there, and you ask him to become a suicide bomber and kill a few near amasjid, i dare say he would do it. it is the lack of opportunity, and the currently stable socio economic status, that keeps him from do it.


(and that is no fictional person, i do know of such a man)


"would you consider me a moderate?"

u asked, i answered

[dopekhor]

would you consider me a moderate?

i do not know what the quran ahs to say, but some of the extreme interpretations i hear, i kind of dislike it too. i do not hate the religion, as a very good friend of my sister explained a lot of it to me, and it made a lot more sense, than what i heard previously.

islam needs a revolution by very well read specialized people. I kid you not.

there was this video, by some female professor of islamic studies, she being muslim her self. and she stated a variety of misconceptions about islam and its status of woman, explaining the era it was written it, and th epolitical conditions etc, and it made a lot more sense.

so really i dislike the current mass interprertations of islam. there should be more people like that professor or my sister's friend to follow it and preach it.
no such thing as moderate/liberal muslims.

Islam doesnt discriminate by gender.

What do u dislike about Islam?

[desi_balla63]

Just going to ignore my reply, aren@line? :?

[adren@line]

the religion doesnt, but people do, hindutva is one such group, babber khalsa is another, then u got your buddists who bomb hindi concerts in sri lanka............are these the reps of the faiths?? of coarse not.......the actions of a few shouldnt make one smear everyone with the same brush

Hindutvas are in a minority. The bottom line is that the religiosn do not teach that they are perfect or create an "us vs them" mentality.

However, with Islam, this belief is completely sanctioned and encouraged. Islam IS perfect. the end. Muslims ARE superior to non-Muslims. .. atleast according to Islam.

[Emon Crew]

Save the name calling. I can dish out plenty at you, but I wont.

Anyways, It is common sense:
Palestianians hate America
The Arab states and the majority of its citizens hate America.In fact, many Muslims believe that these wars waged by the US are an attack on Islam and Muslims.

Have you EVER met a religious Muslim that isnt from the US that has to say anything positive about the US?

I havent, or even heard of it.

Why would they? They have no reason to.

BLUE - wow, I didnt know that Palestine and the Arab nation made up the majority of mankind :confused:

Red - They've got every right to believe that. The war is killing predominantly Muslims. It is attacking innocent Muslims and Islam aside from just the terrorists. America's intention may not be for an "attack on Muslims" but it's actions in Iraq and Afghanistan prove otherwise.

[sameer]

the religion doesnt, but people do, hindutva is one such group, babber khalsa is another, then u got your buddists who bomb hindi concerts in sri lanka............are these the reps of the faiths?? of coarse not.......the actions of a few shouldnt make one smear everyone with the same brush
yeah, but as adrenaline said... the abrahamic religions themselves make the claim. so when a member of those religions claims that his/her religion is the "right way", its based on a claim made by the religion. the other religions for the most part would disagree and say "let each find his/her own path to spirituality". hinduism for one does not attempt to convert others.

[rubayath]

lol man.

Ive said this before:

I dont hate "Muslims". I do hate Muslim extremists, and I hate what the Mughals have done to South Asia (but that is irrelevant).

Overall, I do not hate Muslims, as they are a very varied group.

I *hate* Islam. I do not like the religion at all. To me it is an Arab cult, in which one of its goals is world-wide domination with a Muslim majority (this is a fact).

I also do not like the condescending tone and the overtones of superiority that the religion promotes for Muslims over non-Muslims.

Islam is inherently disrespectfull to peoples of other faiths. We are all potential converts or pawn in this ultimate plan of global domination. It breeds and "us vs them" mentality.

Secondly, I am a proud American. I am also a proud Indian and Hindu. I hate anyone who is anti-American, or anti-Indian/Hindu, and coincidentally, the majority of those people are Muslims.

I can safely say I will never respect nor sympathize with anyone who wishes to see America destroyed or hurt, and I can safely say that alot of Muslims wish this for the USA.

NOW, believe it or not, I have had Muslim friends when I lived in NC. Religion was never an issue, they didnt try to convert me, and kept the religion to themselves. In other words, they werent religious, or they werent religious enough to let it affect me.

STFU... we'll BOMB on your ass..... fucking with the wrong people... u clown!

btw: didn't bother reading what u wrote.. LOL

[Cunard]

no such thing as moderate/liberal muslims.

Islam doesnt discriminate by gender.

What do u dislike about Islam?

off coarse it doesnt, its the followers of islam that find some way to do it by justifying it from the quran.....and thats what angeliqueis getting at, these things need to be re looked at and adapted to modern times, not from a couple thousand years ago

[angelique]

I agree with you on hating that mass interpretation of Islam, but that's not Islam's fault. It's not even the Quran's fault. It's because of the way it's portrayed by the media and terrorist organizations. They go out and do bad things in the name of GOD, and then the Media turns it into a twisted misconception of the religion.

It's like if hundreds of mental patients and bums escaped from a hospital and started cutting people with medical instruments in the name of "doctors" and people started getting the wrong impression of doctors.
haha yes... like tamillians (who are hindu's) create enough trouble in sri lanka too. but really you'll should not hate on adraline... as he said he himself he is a proud american, he obviously is as daft (no real offense), and hence believes in everything that was bounced about after 9/11, and i am guessing his parents and grandparents must be as extreme as mine are.

lol my grandmom, my grandfather colleague who was muslim, used to invite allof us for dinner. and when we got back from their house, all of us had to have a bath because we had visited a place of a muslim. i am not even kidding you, there are people as extreme as that in my grandparents generation, however they are polite upfront.

[sameer]

BLUE - wow, I didnt know that Palestine and the Arab nation made up the majority of mankind :confused:

Red - They've got every right to believe that. The war is killing predominantly Muslims. It is attacking innocent Muslims and Islam aside from just the terrorists. America's intention may not be for an "attack on Muslims" but it's actions in Iraq and Afghanistan prove otherwise.
but why do they conveniently forget that the USA and NATO stepped in to save muslims in kosovo when they did not have to?

[desi_balla63]

off coarse it doesnt, its the followers of islam that find some way to do it by justifying it from the quran.....and thats what angeliqueis getting at, these things need to be re looked at and adapted to modern times, not from a couple thousand years ago

Huh?

So Islam should change, like every other religion?

[rubayath]

Oh i hate these religion posts.... we should have them removed :bball: ....

[Cunard]

yeah, but as adrenaline said... the abrahamic religions themselves make the claim. so when a member of those religions claims that his/her religion is the "right way", its based on a claim made by the religion. the other religions for the most part would disagree and say "let each find his/her own path to spirituality". hinduism for one does not attempt to convert others.

hinduism as a faith dosnt try to convert people, but the way some people twist hinduism, they can justify trying to wipe out other minorities in india....again this goes back to peoples on interpertations of religion

[adren@line]

BLUE - wow, I didnt know that Palestine and the Arab nation made up the majority of mankind :confused:

Red - They've got every right to believe that. The war is killing predominantly Muslims. It is attacking innocent Muslims and Islam aside from just the terrorists. America's intention may not be for an "attack on Muslims" but it's actions in Iraq and Afghanistan prove otherwise.

They are obviouslt not representative of the majority of mankind. It was for example purposes.

If I wanted to, I could dig up crap on every major Muslim country, statistics, polls, and what not that would show the majority of the populace is anti-American and hates the country.

If you are trying to act like they dont, than you are dellusional. EVEVERYONE knows damn well that almost the entire Muslim world is at odds with the US, atleast on the individual level.

Sure, they have the right to believe what they want. I didnt say they couldnt, but that does not mean I will legitimize or empathize with thier beliefs.

[Cunard]

Huh?

So Islam should change, like every other religion?

no no, the hadiths and the quran should be made more understandable to modern times, such as explained in modern lingo.......in stead of getting stoned to death, or having 4 males present has proof of rape, somthing should be redefined to our times

[Emon Crew]

but why do they conveniently forget that the USA and NATO stepped in to save muslims in kosovo when they did not have to?

If you want to talk about world history and stats brotha man, look up how many people were killed in Kosovo before the U.S. was urged to step in.

"Giving me a bicycle today, and stealing my Car tomorrow doesnt really help me."

[adren@line]

Just going to ignore my reply, aren@line? :?

everything u said was adressed in other replies.

The "we are right and u are wrong" bit u are proposing leads to the "us vs them" mentality. That is human nature.

[sameer]

hinduism as a faith dosnt try to convert people, but the way some people twist hinduism, they can justify trying to wipe out other minorities in india....again this goes back to peoples on interpertations of religion
right, religion is interpreted incorrectly all the time. those hindus who attempt to claim that hinduism is superior have misinterpreted their own religion. however, isnt it the case that if a muslim were to claim his/her religion is superior, that this would be a correct interpretation of the religion?

[desi_balla63]

If you want to talk about world history and stats brotha man, look up how many people were killed in Kosovo before the U.S. was urged to step in.

"Giving me a bicycle today, and stealing my Car tomorrow doesnt really help me."

:shock: Omar, I luf you.

[Emon Crew]

They are obviouslt not representative of the majority of mankind. It was for example purposes.

If I wanted to, I could dig up crap on every major Muslim country, statistics, polls, and what not that would show the majority of the populace is anti-American and hates the country.

If you are trying to act like they dont, than you are dellusional. EVEVERYONE knows damn well that almost the entire Muslim world is at odds with the US, atleast on the individual level.

Sure, they have the right to believe what they want. I didnt say they couldnt, but that does not mean I will legitimize or empathize with thier beliefs.

Again with the generalizations, come up with facts and then speak your jibberish.

And while you were digging up that "crap", dig up also how many NON-MUSLIM countries dislike America.....my GUESS would be something along the lines of "every country not involved in the Coalition.

[desi_balla63]

no no, the hadiths and the quran should be made more understandable to modern times, such as explained in modern lingo.......in stead of getting stoned to death, or having 4 males present has proof of rape, somthing should be redefined to our times

Disagree.

I think that's one of the things to credit to Islam, it hasn't changed over time. And read and english translation of the Quran sometime, it's not all that painful.

[sameer]

If you want to talk about world history and stats brotha man, look up how many people were killed in Kosovo before the U.S. was urged to step in.

"Giving me a bicycle today, and stealing my Car tomorrow doesnt really help me."
the point is if the USA had it out for muslims then they wouldnt have stepped in.

and plus why was it the USA's responsibility to save people in kosovo. other countries do exist. why are you pinning it on the usa. on the other hand, the usa at least had direct reasons for getting involved in afghanistan and iraq

[Cunard]

right, religion is interpreted incorrectly all the time. those hindus who attempt to claim that hinduism is superior have misinterpreted their own religion. however, isnt it the case that if a muslim were to claim his/her religion is superior, that this would be a correct interpretation of the religion?

i guess it is a right interpretation, but such things have to be taken with some salt these days, some muslims go as far as saying that the proof of rape, there have to be 4 males present to witness this, such a case in in Canada right now about a deportation to Iran where the women will be stoned to death because she couldnt provide 4 males........everything in religion has to be taken with some common sense, to say my god is better than yours is absurd

[Emon Crew]

right, religion is interpreted incorrectly all the time. those hindus who attempt to claim that hinduism is superior have misinterpreted their own religion. however, isnt it the case that if a muslim were to claim his/her religion is superior, that this would be a correct interpretation of the religion?

Actually Islam teaches to profess and proclaim "la illa ha ill-allah" Meaning there is one GOD and only one GOD. It doesnt teach us to look down upon other religions.

[adren@line]

haha yes... like tamillians (who are hindu's) create enough trouble in sri lanka too. but really you'll should not hate on adraline... as he said he himself he is a proud american, he obviously is as daft (no real offense), and hence believes in everything that was bounced about after 9/11, and i am guessing his parents and grandparents must be as extreme as mine are.


This is the kind of crap I hate. Every proud American is not daft. I do not believe everything. I have read *all* of the conspiracy theories, and I *dont* strictly watch CNN and FOX, which is an excuse that anti-American types love to use with patriots.

My patriotism is simple:

My parents moved to the US
My parents were given unique opportunities
I was raised in the country and given the same oppurtunies.
I ENJOY living in this country and all of its comforts. Every time I visit another country, I appreciate the USA more.

This country has given *alot* to my family.

Therfore, any one who wishes for the destruction on this country or hates this country is some one who I will absolutely not sympathize with in any form.

This DOESNT mean I blindly follow and believe in what ever the government says or does. I dont like Bush, and I do not agree with the war in Iraq.

[adren@line]

Actually Islam teaches to profess and proclaim "la illa ha ill-allah" Meaning there is one GOD and only one GOD. It doesnt teach us to look down upon other religions.

its not that black and white. The doctrine creates that mentality and encourages it through its teachings.

[angelique]

no such thing as moderate/liberal muslims.

Islam doesnt discriminate by gender.

What do u dislike about Islam?are u fucking kidding me?

there are enough muslims, who drink and eat pork, yet pray four times a day. in my opinion, they are smart enough to awknowledge that any restriction made on the diet was due to poor conditions of food back in the day.

to any man not following religion, when he sees
1. women clad in black clothing, while men are free to do as they please
2. women being married off awfully young
3. a man having 4 wives

and countless stories of inequality, one cannot help but think that it must be their religion.


you know what i really dislike about islam, like one thing i am sure the extremists have come up with...
that if you drop gangajal on mecca or medina, then islam would vanish.

that happens to be the most illogical and stupid thing i've ever heard, and i believe it arises from very sincere muslims.

its like saying if one of you were to have a dip in ganga or go visit allahbad or varanasi, hinduism would die.

[desi_balla63]

i guess it is a right interpretation, but such things have to be taken with some salt these days, some muslims go as far as saying that the proof of rape, there have to be 4 males present to witness this, such a case in in Canada right now about a deportation to Iran where the women will be stoned to death because she couldnt provide 4 males........everything in religion has to be taken with some common sense, to say my god is better than yours is absurd

I'm yet to hear a Muslim say "Allah is better than ____". C'mon, please don't brign it down to that level. As for the girl rape case, not familiar with it, and I'm not sure that one extreme example proves a whole religion deserves to be hated.

**** mean?

[adren@line]

Again with the generalizations, come up with facts and then speak your jibberish.

And while you were digging up that "crap", dig up also how many NON-MUSLIM countries dislike America.....my GUESS would be something along the lines of "every country not involved in the Coalition.

You are in plain denial.

Muslims have no reason to like the US.

IF I was Muslim I wouldnt.

Its an observable fact. You KNOW it is true yet you are trying to play some game with me.

[Cunard]

Disagree.

I think that's one of the things to credit to Islam, it hasn't changed over time. And read and english translation of the Quran sometime, it's not all that painful.

it can be looked as a good thing and a bad thing....like u said, the good thing is that its still with its roots and hasnt changed, the bad thing is that it doesnt fit very well in todays society, sure there are lots of muslims, but how many actually follow the quran and the hadiths?

even pictures are harem in islam, but at the time, im sure, the whole point of saying no to paintings was alot different than now

[sameer]

Actually Islam teaches to profess and proclaim "la illa ha ill-allah" Meaning there is one GOD and only one GOD. It doesnt teach us to look down upon other religions.
that might be so.

but why are non muslims treated like 2nd class citizens in muslim countries? (such as pakistan and saudia arabia). the sad part is that these countries are islamic states and they have passed laws supposedly based on islam, and these laws limit the freedoms of non muslims. is that part of the religion or have islamic governments just misinterpreted it.

[FTJfag]

Islam is very morbid =x

[desi_balla63]

are u fucking kidding me?

there are enough muslims, who drink and eat pork, yet pray four times a day. in my opinion, they are smart enough to awknowledge that any restriction made on the diet was due to poor conditions of food back in the day.

to any man not following religion, when he sees
1. women clad in black clothing, while men are free to do as they please
2. women being married off awfully young
3. a man having 4 wives

and countless stories of inequality, one cannot help but think that it must be their religion.


you know what i really dislike about islam, like one thing i am sure the extremists have come up with...
that if you drop gangajal on mecca or medina, then islam would vanish.

that happens to be the most illogical and stupid thing i've ever heard, and i believe it arises from very sincere muslims.

its like saying if one of you were to have a dip in ganga or go visit allahbad or varanasi, hinduism would die.

Amrita, coming frome you? :no:

"Women clad in black clothing" isn't as common as you think. Inequality is as far as you look. Pakistan has had a female prime minister, it's a muslim country.

Women being married young isn't that common either, and the 4 wives thing ... that's just a token reason people use to hate on Islam. It's not even a factor with most muslim. I'm a muslim, out of the 43434 muslims I know, ZERO has more than one wife.

[Z4K5T4R]

yes, but you are forgetting that Islam claims it is perfect, the only true religion, and the last complete religion.

When something makes such ridiculous claims, it must be examined under a microscope and ripped apart.

Look at Nazism and thier claims of a "master race".

All religions claim they r purfect if they didnt then how would people believe in it? Islam does not mean world domination its just that most people mis use this religion for power and those people are not true believers to Muslim but use it as an excuse for there actions.

Am a firm believer in Islam but i have NEVER tried to get any of my mates to convert.

[adren@line]

I'm yet to hear a Muslim say "Allah is better than ____". C'mon, please don't brign it down to that level. As for the girl rape case, not familiar with it, and I'm not sure that one extreme example proves a whole religion deserves to be hated.

**** mean?

Its not about comparing different terms for God.

Any non-Muslims who learns about the motives and goals of Islam would and should not respect the faith. It is condescending, totalitarian, and almost cultish in its fervor to gain new converts on a large, global scale.

[sameer]

You are in plain denial.

Muslims have no reason to like the US.

IF I was Muslim I wouldnt.

Its an observable fact. You KNOW it is true yet you are trying to play some game with me.
you missed his point. he was arguing your statement of "most people who dislike america are muslim"... not arguing "most muslims hate america".

[adren@line]

All religions claim they r purfect if they didnt then how would people believe in it? Islam does not mean world domination its just that most people mis use this religion for power and those people are not true believers to Muslim but use it as an excuse for there actions.

Am a firm believer in Islam but i have NEVER tried to get any of my mates to convert.

This has allready been adressed.

Cunard and Baller made the same errenous conclusions, when in fact they are not true.

[FTJfag]

I'm yet to hear a Muslim say "Allah is better than ____".

That's self-implied seeing as Muslims believe in Allah, and no other God. I guess.

[sameer]

All religions claim they r purfect if they didnt then how would people believe in it? Islam does not mean world domination its just that most people mis use this religion for power and those people are not true believers to Muslim but use it as an excuse for there actions.

Am a firm believer in Islam but i have NEVER tried to get any of my mates to convert.
i dont think most religions claim they are perfect

[Cunard]

I'm yet to hear a Muslim say "Allah is better than ____". C'mon, please don't brign it down to that level. As for the girl rape case, not familiar with it, and I'm not sure that one extreme example proves a whole religion deserves to be hated.

**** mean?

im assuming u rarely visit the SD section,

as for the example, it may seem extream to us, but it only came to light because she was in Canada, after her story came out, a few more have come out, Irans foreign minister was at the UN saying that his govt will look into these allegations

[Emon Crew]

the point is if the USA had it out for muslims then they wouldnt have stepped in.

and plus why was it the USA's responsibility to save people in kosovo. other countries do exist. why are you pinning it on the usa. on the other hand, the usa at least had direct reasons for getting involved in afghanistan and iraq

The point is our govt. is constantly changing. They can be nice one day, and naughty the next. I didnt say the have it out for Muslims, but I did point out that today it could be a coincidence.

It was the USA's responsibility because they are the "Police force" of the world. They step in where needed, give help where it's needed. Everyone who knew what was going on in Kosovo knew it was wrong. I remember going to a protest for it a few yrs back, and I remember that about 40-50% of the crowd were white-folk, who i'm guessing may not have been Muslim.

On another note USA is the prime country when it comes to demanding things from leaders of other countries, and I'm sure you can think of a few examples off the top of your head. If they like to Demand, they should supply as well.

Lasly, what were there honest reasons for going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan?

IRAQ - Weapons of Mass Destruction and to take down Saddam's horrible regime? Where were they the yrs between Daddy Bush's war and Baby Bush's war? Did Saddam take a break from being so treacherous? CoughOILCough

Afghanistan - to spread democracy and save the women from being Opressed?....ummm how long was the Taliban in control there while this oppression was going on? Right...a while. It was the hunt for OsamaBinLaden and his network, a war against a "terrorist organization" turned into a war with the country the organization was held up in....say Osama and his boys were chillin in Pakistan or India....Would the U.S. have went to War with Pakistan or India? I think so...do u?

[desi_balla63]

That's self-implied seeing as Muslims believe in Allah, and no other God. I guess.

Obviously. But he was showing it as thought we run around throwing it in people's faces, being condescending. Not the case, or at least I don't think so.

[FTJfag]

Ya'll need to calm the fuck down =]

[adren@line]

you missed his point. he was arguing your statement of "most people who dislike america are muslim"... not arguing "most muslims hate america".

same thing, if you look at raw numbers.

There are over 1 billion Muslims.
There is no statistic on a global level that shows how many Muslims hate America, obviously, but it is pretty much common sense as to why Muslims, on the individual level, would hate America.

I cant fathom why any religious Muslim in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Bangladesh,etc, would like America. They have no reason.

[FTJfag]

Obviously.

I'm not wrong. Good. Everything else is irrelevant =x

[Emon Crew]

You are in plain denial.

Muslims have no reason to like the US.

IF I was Muslim I wouldnt.

Its an observable fact. You KNOW it is true yet you are trying to play some game with me.

Thats bullshit right there adrenaline, the Muslims have plenty of reasons for liking the U.S.

That Tsunami crisis, and the contribution and relief the U.S. is providing....I'm sure a lot of Muslims in those countries appreciate what the U.S. is doing. What do you think?

[illomatic]

right, religion is interpreted incorrectly all the time. those hindus who attempt to claim that hinduism is superior have misinterpreted their own religion. however, isnt it the case that if a muslim were to claim his/her religion is superior, that this would be a correct interpretation of the religion?


yes, you are correct......(what would your religion be if you didnt think your beliefs are "better" then the others, if you find a "Better" religion, why wouldnt u switch to that one, we've stuck to Islam because we havent found a "Better" religion, and by what we believe, no other religions are to be coming......) we BELIEVE our religion is superior, but yet we still are supposed to have equal respect for christians, jews, hindu's ETC as if they were muslim.

they too are allah's (gods, or whoever u wanna say) creation.

As faithful muslims, in no way are we to harm/degrade anyone... (especially because of race/religion)

[STYLE GOD]

Kids kids kids especially adren@line :no:

Go read the book of Islam for the dummies.

[angelique]

This is the kind of crap I hate. Every proud American is not daft. I do not believe everything. I have read *all* of the conspiracy theories, and I *dont* strictly watch CNN and FOX, which is an excuse that anti-American types love to use with patriots.

My patriotism is simple:

My parents moved to the US
My parents were given unique opportunities
I was raised in the country and given the same oppurtunies.
I ENJOY living in this country and all of its comforts. Every time I visit another country, I appreciate the USA more.

This country has given *alot* to my family.

Therfore, any one who wishes for the destruction on this country or hates this country is some one who I will absolutely not sympathize with in any form.

This DOESNT mean I blindly follow and believe in what ever the government says or does. I dont like Bush, and I do not agree with the war in Iraq.
you might be surprised how many stupid americans i have counted since i landed. :shock: (please get the humour)

i understand your patriotism for this country, however your complaisant remark of "I HATE ISLAM" shows lack of research, and the fact that you chose to stick to the favourable opinion adds to it. no offense but religion and politics are not logical. jsut because A is in B and C is in B, a must be C, follows only in math and not in religion. I call you daft american, as in my experience (i happen to have met a lot of people from a lot of places) american more commonly happen to think they are just so bloody awesome, and their country is the best etc etc, it happens to be one of my favourite stereotypes.

and finally, i am surprised you dislike bush, although i am an international student here, as i understand it, Bush's agenda happens to be a lot better for America, and Kerry is a dweeb with no agenda whatsoever.

[adren@line]

yes, you are correct......(what would your religion be if you didnt think your beliefs are "better" then the others, if you find a "Better" religion, why wouldnt u switch to that one, we've stuck to Islam because we havent found a "Better" religion, and by what we believe, no other religions are to be coming......) we BELIEVE our religion is superior, but yet we still are supposed to have equal respect for christians, jews, hindu's ETC as if they were muslim.

they too are allah's (gods, or whoever u wanna say) creation.

As faithful muslims, in no way are we to harm/degrade anyone... (especially because of race/religion)

if this respect existed, then Hindus and non-Muslims wouldnt be strictly classified away from Muslims. There are unique and condescending terms that are used to define non-Muslims in the Quran.

This, on a pscyhological level, creates an "us vs them" mentality and creates a sense of superiority for the Muslim.

[illomatic]

You are in plain denial.

Muslims have no reason to like the US.

IF I was Muslim I wouldnt.

Its an observable fact. You KNOW it is true yet you are trying to play some game with me.


ok..... IF YOU WERE...... but you Aren't

and why WOULD u hate them....... please state your case.

[Z4K5T4R]

You are in plain denial.

Muslims have no reason to like the US.

IF I was Muslim I wouldnt.

Its an observable fact. You KNOW it is true yet you are trying to play some game with me.

Yeh but if u see US from da outside meaning i live in the UK i see what happens, the US government hide true facts. Its not just Muslims u got alot of European countries hating on US its a fact and if the people had it their way i dont tink US would have so much power. Muslim is a very strong religion when something becomes popular others start hating on it datz life.

[Cunard]

Obviously. But he was showing it as thought we run around throwing it in people's faces, being condescending. Not the case, or at least I don't think so.

i didnt mean all muslims, i ment the ones that twisted there own faith, the ones in the minority that adren@line uses to paint all muslims as fanatics

[adren@line]

you might be surprised how many stupid americans i have counted since i landed. :shock: (please get the humour)

i understand your patriotism for this country, however your complaisant remark of "I HATE ISLAM" shows lack of research, and the fact that you chose to stick to the favourable opinion adds to it. no offense but religion and politics are not logical. jsut because A is in B and C is in B, a must be C, follows only in math and not in religion. I call you daft american, as in my experience (i happen to have met a lot of people from a lot of places) american more commonly happen to think they are just so bloody awesome, and their country is the best etc etc, it happens to be one of my favourite stereotypes.

and finally, i am surprised you dislike bush, although i am an international student here, as i understand it, Bush's agenda happens to be a lot better for America, and Kerry is a dweeb with no agenda whatsoever.

The "I hate Islam" due to ignorance is the most common type. I agree.

But there are those who really do dislike the religion through research. People assume that one will automatically like or respect a religion once they learn about it, when that isnt the case.

[sameer]

The point is our govt. is constantly changing. They can be nice one day, and naughty the next. I didnt say the have it out for Muslims, but I did point out that today it could be a coincidence.

It was the USA's responsibility because they are the "Police force" of the world. They step in where needed, give help where it's needed. Everyone who knew what was going on in Kosovo knew it was wrong. I remember going to a protest for it a few yrs back, and I remember that about 40-50% of the crowd were white-folk, who i'm guessing may not have been Muslim.

On another note USA is the prime country when it comes to demanding things from leaders of other countries, and I'm sure you can think of a few examples off the top of your head. If they like to Demand, they should supply as well.

Lasly, what were there honest reasons for going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan?

IRAQ - Weapons of Mass Destruction and to take down Saddam's horrible regime? Where were they the yrs between Daddy Bush's war and Baby Bush's war? Did Saddam take a break from being so treacherous? CoughOILCough

Afghanistan - to spread democracy and save the women from being Opressed?....ummm how long was the Taliban in control there while this oppression was going on? Right...a while. It was the hunt for OsamaBinLaden and his network, a war against a "terrorist organization" turned into a war with the country the organization was held up in....say Osama and his boys were chillin in Pakistan or India....Would the U.S. have went to War with Pakistan or India? I think so...do u?
i dont want to start an argument about were the wars justified, im saying that there was a direct involvement basis in iraq and afghanistan while there was not in kosovo (but yet they still helped out there)

iraq - first gulf war and leader of UN operations in iraq
afganistan - taliban supported terrorists who attacked the usa.

(btw, by your line of reasoning i could argue that your point about why the usa went into iraq is invalid by saying "was there no oil in iraq in the yrs between Daddy Bush's war and Baby Bush's war". ie if they wanted all the oil they woulda went in earlier. its pretty foolish to claim the usa just went in for oil)

[Cunard]

Yeh but if u see US from da outside meaning i live in the UK i see what happens, the US government hide true facts. Its not just Muslims u got alot of European countries hating on US its a fact and if the people had it their way i dont tink US would have so much power. Muslim is a very strong religion when something becomes popular others start hating on it datz life.

really?

i some how doubt that, cause i remember the german flag flying over the effiel tower.........how was it that it came down again?

[adren@line]

i didnt mean all muslims, i ment the ones that twisted there own faith, the ones in the minority that adren@line uses to paint all muslims as fanatics

dude do you read anything I write?

I never said all Muslims were fanatics.

[angelique]

They are obviouslt not representative of the majority of mankind. It was for example purposes.

If I wanted to, I could dig up crap on every major Muslim country, statistics, polls, and what not that would show the majority of the populace is anti-American and hates the country.
If you are trying to act like they dont, than you are dellusional. EVEVERYONE knows damn well that almost the entire Muslim world is at odds with the US, atleast on the individual level.

Sure, they have the right to believe what they want. I didnt say they couldnt, but that does not mean I will legitimize or empathize with thier beliefs.
im going to bold and magnify a blonde comment below.

FRENCH HATE USA. CHINESE HATE USA. JAPAN HATES USA. AUSTRALIA HATES USA. SOUTH AFRICA HATES USA.

and none of them are muslim nations. your arguments are void. i understand someone being a hindu extremist, you know erligious belief fine. being an educated extreme nationalist is stupidity, really.

[desi_balla63]

dude do you read anything I write?

I never said all Muslims were fanatics.

Just that you hate Islam. :headfone:

[Cunard]

dude do you read anything I write?

I never said all Muslims were fanatics.

"i hate islam"

that pertty much says that

[Cunard]

im going to bold and magnify a blonde comment below.

FRENCH HATE USA. CHINESE HATE USA. JAPAN HATES USA. AUSTRALIA HATES USA. SOUTH AFRICA HATES USA.

and none of them are muslim nations. your arguments are void. i understand someone being a hindu extremist, you know erligious belief fine. being an educated extreme nationalist is stupidity, really.

Japan hates the US?? since when? there in Iraq, as is Australia, and as is South Africa

and wasnt it the US that saved the french.....twice? France had oil deals with Iraq in the billions, all of them lost with saddam gone

China loves the US, where do u think all those "made in china" products go

[sameer]

yes, you are correct......(what would your religion be if you didnt think your beliefs are "better" then the others, if you find a "Better" religion, why wouldnt u switch to that one, we've stuck to Islam because we havent found a "Better" religion, and by what we believe, no other religions are to be coming......) we BELIEVE our religion is superior, but yet we still are supposed to have equal respect for christians, jews, hindu's ETC as if they were muslim.

they too are allah's (gods, or whoever u wanna say) creation.

As faithful muslims, in no way are we to harm/degrade anyone... (especially because of race/religion)
the point is that other religions (such as buddhism and hinduism) do teach their followers that their religion isnt superior... they teach instead that spirituality is most important and that if one can find spirtuality in another religion that it is acceptable. in no way does hinduism say its the true religion, or the superior religion, or that its beliefs are better than others. sure, some people misinterpret the religion, but its not part of the religion itself which isnt the case with some other religions

[angelique]

The "I hate Islam" due to ignorance is the most common type. I agree.

But there are those who really do dislike the religion through research. People assume that one will automatically like or respect a religion once they learn about it, when that isnt the case.well yes. everyone has their own opinion. you know another religion i really dislike??? bahai faith. they are all a bit tooo preachy and nice nice. kind of removes the fact that we are selfish money wanting humans altogether. but refer to your first post, hate is too extreme word to use on a sensitive issue such as religion. if you had said disliked it would have been understandable. i dislike islam too, but i dont go around making snide remarks.

[angelique]

Japan hates the US?? since when? there in Iraq, as is Australia, and as is South Africa

China loves the US, where do u think all those "made in china" products go
you need to go visit those countries. making fun of american's is an international hobby. i kid you not

[adren@line]

im going to bold and magnify a blonde comment below.

FRENCH HATE USA. CHINESE HATE USA. JAPAN HATES USA. AUSTRALIA HATES USA. SOUTH AFRICA HATES USA.

and none of them are muslim nations. your arguments are void. i understand someone being a hindu extremist, you know erligious belief fine. being an educated extreme nationalist is stupidity, really.

more idiocy,

France, Japan, Australia, South Africa, all disagree with the US and its policies, but in the end we wouldnt enter into conflicts with these countries.

Japananese, French, Australian, South Africans, etc are not prone to engage in terrorist activity against the USAm nor are they willing to scheme against the USA. There level of hate is simply exemplified when they see Bush on the TV, mumble "fuckin idiot", turn it off, then go on with thier day.

The MUSLIM hate that is directed towards America is much more intense and apparant. We are engaged in two wars with Muslim countries and Muslims are being harrassed to some degree in the USA.

There are different degrees and levels of disagreement and dislike towards a country. You are making it to be very black and white.

[illomatic]

if this respect existed, then Hindus and non-Muslims wouldnt be strictly classified away from Muslims. There are unique and condescending terms that are used to define non-Muslims in the Quran.

This, on a pscyhological level, creates an "us vs them" mentality and creates a sense of superiority for the Muslim.

OK... then hate the "Indian Muslims" that start beef..... do u think palestinian (example of a non-desi country) people hate hindu's or would randomly start beef with them if they saw them?...... no...... why?... because they aren't "related" to them like the indians are....
it's all bout the past...... we were hindu's at once
(yes i said it) and the beef just escalated it from there
dont make it as a muslim/hindu thing....
for ex.. lets say u hate ur brother... and u hate him
you'd do anything to make him feel like shit because of something he did a long time ago......
this is basically whats going on in india... i aint pointing fingers at who did what
im just saying...... something happened, and people are fighting bout that 1 thing, but as a different controversy each time they fight.



but dont hate the Indian Hindu's that start beef
cuz by what u said........there's no Hindu's that think they are better then muslims

your a joke.

good job.

[typeOnegative]

im going to bold and magnify a blonde comment below.

FRENCH HATE USA. CHINESE HATE USA. JAPAN HATES USA. AUSTRALIA HATES USA. SOUTH AFRICA HATES USA.

and none of them are muslim nations. your arguments are void. i understand someone being a hindu extremist, you know erligious belief fine. being an educated extreme nationalist is stupidity, really.


YET EVERYONE WANTS TO COME TO THE USA! DAYUM! THE WORLD SUCKS BIG TIME!

[adren@line]

well yes. everyone has their own opinion. you know another religion i really dislike??? bahai faith. they are all a bit tooo preachy and nice nice. kind of removes the fact that we are selfish money wanting humans altogether. but refer to your first post, hate is too extreme word to use on a sensitive issue such as religion. if you had said disliked it would have been understandable. i dislike islam too, but i dont go around making snide remarks.

then good for you. That is why we, as humans, are different.

[illomatic]

Adrenaline.....

you say "most muslim nations hate the us."

ok

russia hates the usa.
china hates the usa.
japan hates the usa.
vietnam hates the usa.
korea hates the usa.

hello buddy
why dont u say all of asian hate the usa? please do... i luv how u generalize
or why not all orientals ?... they seem to fall in the same category
please......... generalize!

thats the way to do it smart guy :no:

[adren@line]

"i hate islam"

that pertty much says that

Yep. Doesnt mean I hate "Muslims", which include Ahmadis, moderates, sufis, etc, etc.

[desi_balla63]

Yep. Doesnt mean I hate "Muslims", which include Ahmadis, moderates, sufis, etc, etc.

...did you just put 'muslims' and 'islam' in two seperate groups? :?

[adren@line]

OK... then hate the "Indian Muslims" that start beef..... do u think palestinian (example of a non-desi country) people hate hindu's or would randomly start beef with them if they saw them?...... no...... why?... because they aren't "related" to them like the indians are....
it's all bout the past...... we were hindu's at once
(yes i said it) and the beef just escalated it from there
dont make it as a muslim/hindu thing....
for ex.. lets say u hate ur brother... and u hate him
you'd do anything to make him feel like shit because of something he did a long time ago......
this is basically whats going on in india... i aint pointing fingers at who did what
im just saying...... something happened, and people are fighting bout that 1 thing, but as a different controversy each time they fight.



but dont hate the Indian Hindu's that start beef
cuz by what u said........there's no Hindu's that think they are better then muslims

your a joke.

good job.

lol.

Indian Hindus are a relativly peacefull group who are very sane-minded and are in many cases more patriotic towards India than many Hindus.

Looks like the joke is on you.

[sameer]

you need to go visit those countries. making fun of american's is an international hobby. i kid you not
making fun of americans isnt exactly equivalent to a deep hatrted. even us american born desis tend to make fun of americans at times.

[adren@line]

Adrenaline.....

you say "most muslim nations hate the us."

ok

russia hates the usa.
china hates the usa.
japan hates the usa.
vietnam hates the usa.
korea hates the usa.

hello buddy
why dont u say all of asian hate the usa? please do... i luv how u generalize
or why not all orientals ?... they seem to fall in the same category
please......... generalize!

thats the way to do it smart guy :no:

refer to post # 94

[adren@line]

making fun of americans isnt exactly equivalent to a deep hatrted. even us american born desis tend to make fun of americans at times.

exactly.

Angelique is implying that there is only one degree of "hate" or dislike, and it runs homogenous throughout the entire planet.

[Emon Crew]

i dont want to start an argument about were the wars justified, im saying that there was a direct involvement basis in iraq and afghanistan while there was not in kosovo (but yet they still helped out there)

iraq - first gulf war and leader of UN operations in iraq
afganistan - taliban supported terrorists who attacked the usa.

(btw, by your line of reasoning i could argue that your point about why the usa went into iraq is invalid by saying "was there no oil in iraq in the yrs between Daddy Bush's war and Baby Bush's war". ie if they wanted all the oil they woulda went in earlier. its pretty foolish to claim the usa just went in for oil)

The Kosovo action came up after the United Nations brought it up a numerous amount of times. Also, THAT WAR definately involved oil! The whole caspian sea region's oil was extremely important to Clinton and Blair at the time. I remember this being a big issue, during the war. I'll find you articles on it if you don't want bossman.

And Sameer, wasn't Bush's main reason for the Iraq war because of the "SEARCH FOR WMD?" It's amazing to see how many times the words "weapons of mass destruction" came outta Bush's mouth before compared to after the war.

Lastly, I'd just like to make a simple comment on the "P.S." comment................. look at the Gas prices from Daddy Bush's term, and Baby Bush's term and also look at the avg. prices according to the time. Big increase in the percentage of gross income that was spent out of the AVG. american's pocket on Gas each yr.

[sameer]

Adrenaline.....

you say "most muslim nations hate the us."

ok

russia hates the usa.
china hates the usa.
japan hates the usa.
vietnam hates the usa.
korea hates the usa.

hello buddy
why dont u say all of asian hate the usa? please do... i luv how u generalize
or why not all orientals ?... they seem to fall in the same category
please......... generalize!

thats the way to do it smart guy :no:


china, japan, south korea do not hate the usa. these are three of the usa's largest partners in the world and all have positive working relationships with the usa.

vietnam, yes hates the usa.

russia is blah. officially it doesnt hate the usa, but theres been a lot of political conflict lately, but its still not a "hate" like vietnam.

[methodman535]

My patriotism is simple:

My parents moved to the US
My parents were given unique opportunities
I was raised in the country and given the same oppurtunies.
I ENJOY living in this country and all of its comforts. Every time I visit another country, I appreciate the USA more.

This country has given *alot* to my family.

Therfore, any one who wishes for the destruction on this country or hates this country is some one who I will absolutely not sympathize with in any form.

This DOESNT mean I blindly follow and believe in what ever the government says or does. I dont like Bush, and I do not agree with the war in Iraq.

You just made up this "american patriotism" to hide your true ancestral hatred of mughals/muslims/pakis that you harbor as a fundementalist HINDU not as any kind of an American. Your hatred of non-hindu desis, specifically those who are muslim has nothing to do with America, or its civil liberties or any percieved harm that could come to America from muslims. Stop pretending that it is, nobody buys it.

[adren@line]

The Kosovo action came up after the United Nations brought it up a numerous amount of times. Also, THAT WAR definately involved oil! The whole caspian sea region's oil was extremely important to Clinton and Blair at the time. I remember this being a big issue, during the war. I'll find you articles on it if you don't want bossman.

And Sameer, wasn't Bush's main reason for the Iraq war because of the "SEARCH FOR WMD?" It's amazing to see how many times the words "weapons of mass destruction" came outta Bush's mouth before compared to after the war.

Lastly, I'd just like to make a simple comment on the "P.S." comment................. look at the Gas prices from Daddy Bush's term, and Baby Bush's term and also look at the avg. prices according to the time. Big increase in the percentage of gross income that was spent out of the AVG. american's pocket on Gas each yr.


well we use that oil, dont we?

I love it how people complain about the war due to oil, then jump in thier navigator and pump in $60 worth of gas.

[sameer]

The Kosovo action came up after the United Nations brought it up a numerous amount of times. Also, THAT WAR definately involved oil! The whole caspian sea region's oil was extremely important to Clinton and Blair at the time. I remember this being a big issue, during the war. I'll find you articles on it if you don't want bossman.

And Sameer, wasn't Bush's main reason for the Iraq war because of the "SEARCH FOR WMD?" It's amazing to see how many times the words "weapons of mass destruction" came outta Bush's mouth before compared to after the war.

Lastly, I'd just like to make a simple comment on the "P.S." comment................. look at the Gas prices from Daddy Bush's term, and Baby Bush's term and also look at the avg. prices according to the time. Big increase in the percentage of gross income that was spent out of the AVG. american's pocket on Gas each yr.

you do know that while bush was wrong about the wmds that he based on it several authentic intelligence reports which claimed saddam had wmd's... the british and other countries also thought so. turned out they were wrong. but let me guess, you believe bush either faked the reports (even the independent ones) or that he knew they were incorrect (which would make no sense becomes of the many varying reports that had similar conclusions). so anyway, bush was wrong but his motives weren't fake.

and the gas price increase is circumstansial

[angelique]

Amrita, coming frome you? :no:

"Women clad in black clothing" isn't as common as you think. Inequality is as far as you look. Pakistan has had a female prime minister, it's a muslim country.

Women being married young isn't that common either, and the 4 wives thing ... that's just a token reason people use to hate on Islam. It's not even a factor with most muslim. I'm a muslim, out of the 43434 muslims I know, ZERO has more than one wife.
very religious people consider pakistan to be a "pseudo-islam" state. no offense, but i happen to hear that from a fellow arabic friend's father ( a diplomat to china).

there are enough stories from saudi arabia, about how women have been mistreated, i am not syaing it happens only in muslim households only. i was talking from the perspective of a common man and what he sees happening. i'll give you another example. my sister pretty much grew up in bombay, and bombay has a lot of muslims and a lot of hindu's and christians. anyways my sister is now 25, all five of her muslim friends from childhood are married and have 4/5/6 yr old daughters and sons. so as a commoner, dont hate me if i think that "ohh in islam, women get married young", it is a natural conclusion, not always does oen consider the worl politics, before making judgements like that.

and as for the part with 4 wives, a friend of my sister's explained it to me. i am not sure what you mean by "token". but the reason it was advocated is because the middle-east back then was a war raged state, and as men went to war and a lot of them died, a lot of women were left helpless, as back in the day there was very little women could do by themselves. hence the religion advocated men to marry up to four women, if and only if they could give them the same love and respect, and treat them equal.
and that reason makes sense,
but then again unfortunately a lot of 50 yr old men take pleasure in marrying young 20 yr olds, in hope for a upbeat sex life, (numerous stories).

lastly, you failed to answer the part where i commented on how some muslims ( a lot of thema ctually) believe that if ganga jal was to drop on mecca and medina, islam would die. is that not illogical. what is a hindu to think of a statement like that?

[illomatic]

the point is that other religions (such as buddhism and hinduism) do teach their followers that their religion isnt superior... they teach instead that spirituality is most important and that if one can find spirtuality in another religion that it is acceptable. in no way does hinduism say its the true religion, or the superior religion, or that its beliefs are better than others. sure, some people misinterpret the religion, but its not part of the religion itself which isnt the case with some other religions

ok...
but the whole idea about islam, is that it is a pure religion
which is what WE believe.
an we also believe Allah, cannot make a mistake
(dont u believe so in ur God?)
SO... obviously if there are errors in the Quran, (the book which Allah himself has revealed to Mohammed)
then wouldnt our whole religion be a lie?

and we've yet to find a mistake in the Quran

so im sorry to say, yes if there are mistakes, in which Allah himself has made
then my beliefs are false.
but that isnt the case for me.

we do not go around dancing in the street saying we are the best religion.
it is something we believe in.

just like hinduism. more then one god.
you believe that, we do not go saying no ur religion is false.
one way to "try" to convert someone is by telling them bout our religion, and the truthfull ness

and if that person doesnt agree, let him be

do not try to convert him, if he doesnt want to be converted, we aren't hear to preach to the world everything...
we are here to complete our duties, as we believe are true.

you can believe in what you believe in. Yes ill say some muslims are assholes, and they go on saying "no ur religion is _____ or ur beliefs are ___"

but try finding true muslims, who follow the religion 100% (not many, not even me ill admit that much) and see how they practice islam, then you'd get a better understanding of our religion and how peaceful we are supposed to be, unlike the "hatred" in us @drenaline is trying to prove.

[adren@line]

You just made up this "american patriotism" to hide your true ancestral hatred of mughals/muslims/pakis that you harbor as a fundementalist HINDU not as any kind of an American. Your hatred of non-hindu desis, specifically those who are muslim has nothing to do with America, or its civil liberties or any percieved harm that could come to America from muslims. Stop pretending that it is, nobody buys it.

lol. you are way off base man.

Way off. Everything I said about my patriotism towards this country is true.

I consider myself American first and foremost. I have stated this many times on this forum.

I also do not hate non-Hindu-desis. I respect every indigenous faith in the subcontinent, as well as the Parsee and Jewish communites, and to some extent the Christian ones as well.

Nice try though, but you are way off.

[desi_balla63]

you do know that while bush was wrong about the wmds that he based on it several authentic intelligence reports which claimed saddam had wmd's... the british and other countries also thought so. turned out they were wrong. but let me guess, you believe bush either faked the reports (even the independent ones) or that he knew they were incorrect (which would make no sense becomes of the many varying reports that had similar conclusions). so anyway, bush was wrong but his motives weren't fake.

and the gas price increase is circumstansial

From what I've read/think, it seems the intelligience showed that it was POSSIBLE. But that Bush pretty much had his mind set on somehow proving with intelligience that they did. :?

[babysmooth]

wha i dont understand is..why hate?

i mean..its fine if u dont agree wit any other religion, if its not for u..then dont bother..keep to urself..no point hatin on other religions..why, cuz it all comes bck to u..why even bother...lol be the best u can be and let others be who they are..

u hate on 1 religion..ppl from tha religion will start hatin on u and ur religion..

is it really worth it?

thas the problem wit this world..everyone hates eachother..and eachother's beliefs..lol hence all the fightin tha goes on everywhere...

whether its hindus against muslims..
sikhs against hindus..
jews against muslims
chrisitians against jews or muslims

whatever the religion may be..we should all learn to unite..

and adren@line hun ...u should really read up on islam then decide if u hate it or not..
cuz there is alot of false information out there on islam..maybe u should pick up a translated version of the quran..instead of readin things in the newspaper..or the net..books...or even whas on tv...dont believe everythin u hear :) find out for urself and then decide :eek:

lol..everyone thinks they know everythin..but sorry to break it to ppl..none of us are educated enough to really make such judgements on anythin or anyone.. :rolleyes:

anyways...ppl im newwwwwwwww..hiiiiiiiiiiii :p

[illomatic]

lol.

Indian Hindus are a relativly peacefull group who are very sane-minded and are in many cases more patriotic towards India than many Hindus.

Looks like the joke is on you.

actually
eat what u just said

just because many are peaceful
does that mean ALLLLLL of them are peacefull

let me prove your an ass:


just because many muslims "hate" the us
does that mean ALLLLLLL of them "hate" the us

good nite sir, hope u can sleep

[adren@line]

ok...
but the whole idea about islam, is that it is a pure religion
which is what WE believe.
an we also believe Allah, cannot make a mistake
(dont u believe so in ur God?)
SO... obviously if there are errors in the Quran, (the book which Allah himself has revealed to Mohammed)
then wouldnt our whole religion be a lie?

and we've yet to find a mistake in the Quran

so im sorry to say, yes if there are mistakes, in which Allah himself has made
then my beliefs are false.
but that isnt the case for me.

we do not go around dancing in the street saying we are the best religion.
it is something we believe in.

just like hinduism. more then one god.
you believe that, we do not go saying no ur religion is false.
one way to "try" to convert someone is by telling them bout our religion, and the truthfull ness

and if that person doesnt agree, let him be

do not try to convert him, if he doesnt want to be converted, we aren't hear to preach to the world everything...
we are here to complete our duties, as we believe are true.

you can believe in what you believe in. Yes ill say some muslims are assholes, and they go on saying "no ur religion is _____ or ur beliefs are ___"

but try finding true muslims, who follow the religion 100% (not many, not even me ill admit that much) and see how they practice islam, then you'd get a better understanding of our religion and how peaceful we are supposed to be, unlike the "hatred" in us @drenaline is trying to prove.

your logic is very low-level and you need to look deeper into the implications of religion in order to understand the nature of Islam and its psychlogical effect on anyone who takes the religion seriously.

[adren@line]

actually
eat what u just said

just because many are peaceful
does that mean ALLLLLL of them are peacefull

let me prove your an ass:


just because many muslims "hate" the us
does that mean ALLLLLLL of them "hate" the us

good nite sir, hope u can sleep

good to know. That is why I said I do not hate all Muslims, or even Muslims in general.

[methodman535]

china, japan, south korea do not hate the usa. these are three of the usa's largest partners in the world and all have positive working relationships with the usa.

vietnam, yes hates the usa.

russia is blah. officially it doesnt hate the usa, but theres been a lot of political conflict lately, but its still not a "hate" like vietnam.

The chinese dont particularly like the US at all, either in the streets or in political circles. You obviously left out the Taiwan issue or the rivalries that brew in international politics between the US and China. Almost all of China's nuclear missiles are pointed at US targets, China practices war games which pit it against the US over Taiwan, it brought down a spy plane couple of years ago that created a big stink, it went to war against the US in Korea, it is an ally of North Korea..the list goes on and on. I wouldnt call China a US ally or "partner" without thinkin carefully lol.

[sameer]

ok...
but the whole idea about islam, is that it is a pure religion
which is what WE believe.
an we also believe Allah, cannot make a mistake
(dont u believe so in ur God?)
SO... obviously if there are errors in the Quran, (the book which Allah himself has revealed to Mohammed)
then wouldnt our whole religion be a lie?

and we've yet to find a mistake in the Quran

so im sorry to say, yes if there are mistakes, in which Allah himself has made
then my beliefs are false.
but that isnt the case for me.

we do not go around dancing in the street saying we are the best religion.
it is something we believe in.

just like hinduism. more then one god.
you believe that, we do not go saying no ur religion is false.
one way to "try" to convert someone is by telling them bout our religion, and the truthfull ness

and if that person doesnt agree, let him be

do not try to convert him, if he doesnt want to be converted, we aren't hear to preach to the world everything...
we are here to complete our duties, as we believe are true.

you can believe in what you believe in. Yes ill say some muslims are assholes, and they go on saying "no ur religion is _____ or ur beliefs are ___"

but try finding true muslims, who follow the religion 100% (not many, not even me ill admit that much) and see how they practice islam, then you'd get a better understanding of our religion and how peaceful we are supposed to be, unlike the "hatred" in us @drenaline is trying to prove.

alright... thats fine. hinduism just has different view on the purity and perfection of a religion which is probably why there are a lot less extreme hindus than extreme muslims.

everyone realistically knows that all religions have aspects which no longer make sense. it can become problematic when followers of one religion deny that their religion isnt perfect and try to follow their religion down to the teeth even tho some of it doesnt apply to the current world.

[illomatic]

good to know. That is why I said I do not hate all Muslims, or even Muslims in general.


but then u hate the religion because of how they hate hindus?
or hate the u.s.

which are ur 2 most beloved features?

:no:

u should hate the muslims that "attack" ur features as a person
not the religion.

[adren@line]

fuckin A this topic is wearing me out :confused:

[angelique]

more idiocy,

France, Japan, Australia, South Africa, all disagree with the US and its policies, but in the end we wouldnt enter into conflicts with these countries.

Japananese, French, Australian, South Africans, etc are not prone to engage in terrorist activity against the USAm nor are they willing to scheme against the USA. There level of hate is simply exemplified when they see Bush on the TV, mumble "fuckin idiot", turn it off, then go on with thier day.

The MUSLIM hate that is directed towards America is much more intense and apparant. We are engaged in two wars with Muslim countries and Muslims are being harrassed to some degree in the USA.

There are different degrees and levels of disagreement and dislike towards a country. You are making it to be very black and white.that comment of yours is silly and you know it. if so many muslim's hate America, why is there such a large populations residing here, and a long line outside the american visa office.

if you dislike India (as you have previously said you do) why would you go live there?

and i am curious to findout about the basis of that statement. if muslims hate USA so fucking much, why is there still a high enrollment rate of muslims into american schools?if muslims think that muslims int he US are mistreated, then why would they send their kids here?

you do understand, when you make generalizations like that, which holds true for a very small percentage of people. it is american propoganda, in my opinion. i am interested to know how you have "Researched" as you say you have. its not a challenge, i am sincerely interested.

also, as i told curnard, you would be surprised the world wide anti american comments that are made. call them hypocrites, but they still really dislike your country.

[adren@line]

but then u hate the religion because of how they hate hindus?
or hate the u.s.

which are ur 2 most beloved features?

:no:

u should hate the muslims that "attack" ur features as a person
not the religion.

AS I have stated, I hate Islam like I hate Nazism.

That does not mean I hate all Muslims.

"Muslim" and "Islam" are very different.

[pakistan4ever]

wha i dont understand is..why hate?

i mean..its fine if u dont agree wit any other religion, if its not for u..then dont bother..keep to urself..no point hatin on other religions..why, cuz it all comes bck to u..why even bother...lol be the best u can be and let others be who they are..

u hate on 1 religion..ppl from tha religion will start hatin on u and ur religion..

is it really worth it?

thas the problem wit this world..everyone hates eachother..and eachother's beliefs..lol hence all the fightin tha goes on everywhere...

whether its hindus against muslims..
sikhs against hindus..
jews against muslims
chrisitians against jews or muslims

whatever the religion may be..we should all learn to unite..

and adren@line hun ...u should really read up on islam then decide if u hate it or not..
cuz there is alot of false information out there on islam..maybe u should pick up a translated version of the quran..instead of readin things in the newspaper..or the net..books...or even whas on tv...dont believe everythin u hear :) find out for urself and then decide :eek:

lol..everyone thinks they know everythin..but sorry to break it to ppl..none of us are educated enough to really make such judgements on anythin or anyone.. :rolleyes:

anyways...ppl im newwwwwwwww..hiiiiiiiiiiii :p

U WANT US ALL TO UNITE OUR RELIGIONS? AND BECOME ONE?
ARE U OUTA YO DAM MIND??

muslims jus wana live in peace. we put up with other religions. but hell no there isnt gon be any uniting

u crazay

go sleep

[Emon Crew]

you do know that while bush was wrong about the wmds that he based on it several authentic intelligence reports which claimed saddam had wmd's... the british and other countries also thought so. turned out they were wrong. but let me guess, you believe bush either faked the reports (even the independent ones) or that he knew they were incorrect (which would make no sense becomes of the many varying reports that had similar conclusions). so anyway, bush was wrong but his motives weren't fake.

and the gas price increase is circumstansial

no sir, no words in my mouth, i didnt say Bush faked any reports...hell he's too dumb to do that. I'm sure he got the reports, but also if the U.S. has such great intelligence, they should have used it more before invading the country.

Second the increasing gas price is a little more than circumstantial* , take a look at bar graph's at the Yearly increase in Gas prices from the 70's to now, and notice where the BIGGEST increases (percentage-wise) out of our pockets as compared to our wealth.

Let me give you an easy example.....hot dogs in 1920 were a nickel........5 cents, thats all. In the 90's they were like $1.50. Say they went up to $3.00 instead because of Lack of Cows....that my friend would not be circumstantial, but a bit more than that.

[methodman535]

lol. you are way off base man.

Way off. Everything I said about my patriotism towards this country is true.

I consider myself American first and foremost. I have stated this many times on this forum.

I also do not hate non-Hindu-desis. I respect every indigenous faith in the subcontinent, as well as the Parsee and Jewish communites, and to some extent the Christian ones as well.

Nice try though, but you are way off.


Im not way off. You have specifically stated you hated the mughal dynasty. You also hate the religion of islam. You considering yourself American doesnt mean a thing. You are not a typical American....typical Americans are not hindu fundementalists who obsess over centuries old islamic history and brood injustices committed by a small minority of muslims hundreds of years ago. You do no respect the muslim faith in the subcontient...yes so you just admitted that implicitly. Translation: you do not respect desi muslims. It would make things simpler if you just said it. You hate them...its pretty obvious.

[illomatic]

your logic is very low-level and you need to look deeper into the implications of religion in order to understand the nature of Islam and its psychlogical effect on anyone who takes the religion seriously.


you should refer to your post #97

incase u forgot what u said, which u seem to do plenty of times

then good for you. That is why we, as humans, are different.

yes islam mite have a psychological effect on some people who take the religion seriously...
what are you trying to say?
we shouldnt take OUR beliefs seriously?

how about you... :salut:

[sameer]

The chinese dont particularly like the US at all, either in the streets or in political circles. You obviously left out the Taiwan issue or the rivalries that brew in international politics between the US and China. Almost all of China's nuclear missiles are pointed at US targets, China practices war games which pit it against the US over Taiwan, it brought down a spy plane couple of years ago that created a big stink, it went to war against the US in Korea, it is an ally of North Korea..the list goes on and on. I wouldnt call China a US ally or "partner" without thinkin carefully lol.
but the reason why i placed china in the positive working category and the russians in the "blah" category is because cleary the usa-china relationship is on the upswing while the russian relationship has crumbled a bit over the last few years. china is quickly modernizing and is defintely becoming a key trading partner beyond just cheap goods. ie think of ibm's sale of its pc divison.

[typeOnegative]

u should hate the muslims that "attack" ur features as a person
not the religion.You can't tell another person what to do. :) I have Muslim friends who are just as anti Islam as Adren@line is .... though ofcourse they don't hate Muslims. Its just that other Muslims hate them. :lol:

Adren@line I think is a bit lacking in the diplomacy department. Which is okay I think. Convince him he is wrong instead of trying to judge him.

[illomatic]

AS I have stated, I hate Islam like I hate Nazism.

That does not mean I hate all Muslims.

"Muslim" and "Islam" are very different.

refer to aniqs post # 99

how can you put Islam and Muslims in 2 different groups

thats like saying i HATE hinduism
but i love hindus


sounds pretty lame huh? :rabbit: durf


it's not possible to hate the higher of the 2
because....... there's a trickle down effect

ex.

raising gas prices in the US will ahve an effect on all americans who use gas.

raising gas prices in NY
will not have a effect on all americans who use gas.

simple logic.

[GQ Menace]

cant we all just all get along.

[adren@line]

that comment of yours is silly and you know it. if so many muslim's hate America, why is there such a large populations residing here, and a long line outside the american visa office.

They lived here to begin with?
Many of them are moderates?
They like the comforts of this country?

As I had stated earlier, my "Muslims hate America" commented was directed towards Muslims who reside outside of the USA.


if you dislike India (as you have previously said you do) why would you go live there?
When did I state that I disliked India?

nd i am curious to findout about the basis of that statement. if muslims hate USA so fucking much, why is there still a high enrollment rate of muslims into american schools?if muslims think that muslims int he US are mistreated, then why would they send their kids here?

read above.

you do understand, when you make generalizations like that, which holds true for a very small percentage of people. it is american propoganda, in my opinion. i am interested to know how you have "Researched" as you say you have. its not a challenge, i am sincerely interested.

the good old "American propanda" excuse that has been played to death. I suppose you would prefer some Al-jazeera propaganda?

Or are you one of those types who hails the BBC as the beacon of nuetrality?

[babysmooth]

huh who said anythin bout unitin religions?

i said whatever the religion MAY BE..we should all learn to unite..
oh lemme rephrase...

WE SHOULD LEARN TO UNITE AS PPL in general.. :rolleyes:

what good is hate gonna do?

i mean..u can be of any religion..any race...learn to live together..peacefully..

and u go sleep! ur so not welcomin..sheesh! :anger:

[pakistan4ever]

AS I have stated, I hate Islam like I hate Nazism.

That does not mean I hate all Muslims.

"Muslim" and "Islam" are very different.

look, if there werent muslims there would be no Islam.

only reason u hate Islam is because of how some select muslims have wrongfully portrayed it right?

thas fine.

dont say u hate Islam. that jus aint right. u offend muslims by making such a bold statement.

jus say u hate the ones that have messed up the impression of Islam. because Allah isn't going to back them up either.

[illomatic]

You can't tell another person what to do. :) I have Muslim friends who are just as anti Islam as Adren@line is .... though ofcourse they don't hate Muslims. Its just that other Muslims hate them. :lol:

Adren@line I think is a bit lacking in the diplomacy department. Which is okay I think. Convince him he is wrong instead of trying to judge him.


i have the right to judge him as i did, because who is he to hate the religion i closely follow?
am i one of the people who effected him?
he has no reason to hate my foundation of life, but he does have the right to hate people who've done him wrong

and he has to do with the mughal dynasty becausE?
oh he was there
... yes... i am sorry

[angelique]

making fun of americans isnt exactly equivalent to a deep hatrted. even us american born desis tend to make fun of americans at times.
sameer so do you actually agree with adrenaline (sp?) that all muslims hate us, and think that muslims in usa are being mistreated. and yet as i said before, there are enough people who want to come live here.

and on another note, hinduism did have its era of extremism, with the caste system etc. hinduism, did not claim to be the only religion, but for all you know that must be because no other religion was really considered to be in existance, buddhism was hardly growing by ashoka's time.

[pakistan4ever]

huh who said anythin bout unitin religions?

i said whatever the religion MAY BE..we should all learn to unite..
oh lemme rephrase...

WE SHOULD LEARN TO UNITE AS PPL in general.. :rolleyes:

what good is hate gonna do?

i mean..u can be of any religion..any race...learn to live together..peacefully..

and u go sleep! ur so not welcomin..sheesh! :anger:

whaaaa? ok im blind then
velcome i guess.......

[babysmooth]

GQ Menace

hi neighbour! loll..

wanna hold hands and sing a peaceful song? :p

[sameer]

no sir, no words in my mouth, i didnt say Bush faked any reports...hell he's too dumb to do that. I'm sure he got the reports, but also if the U.S. has such great intelligence, they should have used it more before invading the country.

Second the increasing gas price is a little more than circumstantial* , take a look at bar graph's at the Yearly increase in Gas prices from the 70's to now, and notice where the BIGGEST increases (percentage-wise) out of our pockets as compared to our wealth.

Let me give you an easy example.....hot dogs in 1920 were a nickel........5 cents, thats all. In the 90's they were like $1.50. Say they went up to $3.00 instead because of Lack of Cows....that my friend would not be circumstantial, but a bit more than that.
that doesnt prove a thing. just because the usa stood to benefit in certain ways from going into iraq does not prove that those benefits were the motive for going in.

plus, those who support the silly oil conspiracy tend to forget that the war costs money to fight and is a significant budget item. and even if the overall monetary change is positive, it still does not prove anything.

[sameer]

sameer so do you actually agree with adrenaline (sp?) that all muslims hate us, and think that muslims in usa are being mistreated. and yet as i said before, there are enough people who want to come live here.

and on another note, hinduism did have its era of extremism, with the caste system etc. hinduism, did not claim to be the only religion, but for all you know that must be because no other religion was really considered to be in existance, buddhism was hardly growing by ashoka's time.
no i dont agree with adrenaline, it seems as if he does not know enough muslims in real life. plus there is a difference between dislike, hatred, and extremism but he tends to group the three.

[babysmooth]

pakistan4ever ni ni ah rahi hai? lol..

thanxxxxxx for the forced welcome..hahaha :confused:

[adren@line]

Im not way off. You have specifically stated you hated the mughal dynasty. You also hate the religion of islam. You considering yourself American doesnt mean a thing. You are not a typical American....typical Americans are not hindu fundementalists who obsess over centuries old islamic history and brood injustices committed by a small minority of muslims hundreds of years ago. You do no respect the muslim faith in the subcontient...yes so you just admitted that implicitly. Translation: you do not respect desi muslims. It would make things simpler if you just said it. You hate them...its pretty obvious.

I am not a Hindu fundamentalist. There is life beyond RD (remeber that).. you are taking this way to seriously. I have stated this before hand. I do not agree with any type of fundamentalism.

You are wasting time. I know myself better than you.
And yes I hate the Mughals, any self-respecting Hindu would as well.

[illomatic]

making fun of americans isnt exactly equivalent to a deep hatrted. even us american born desis tend to make fun of americans at times.

and they dont make fun of everyone?
oriental?desi?arab?

im sorry, i was wrong.
forgive me.

making fun of..... is not what @drenaline is talking bout

he's talking bout blowing them up

remember
All muslims arent terrorist
All terrorist arent muslims

funny how this guy doesnt hate christians?
especially those who've done america wrong...
please dont make me research christians/jews who've done america wrong
if you're hating on religion @drenaline... please dont make u feel stupid.

[indeeracer]

well we use that oil, dont we?

I love it how people complain about the war due to oil, then jump in thier navigator and pump in $60 worth of gas.
Only $60 to fill a Navi..hell, at point I spent like $80 to fill a Legend..damn "premium only" sticker..besides, adjusted for inflation, gas is still at its cheapest point in history..

[typeOnegative]

i have the right to judge him as i did, because who is he to hate the religion i closely follow?
am i one of the people who effected him?
he has no reason to hate my foundation of life, but he does have the right to hate people who've done him wrong

and he has to do with the mughal dynasty becausE?
oh he was there
... yes... i am sorry:) Well I still stand by what I said. Prove him wrong. And if your religion defines you so much, then well, you will pick the bait often. Cool. Best of luck.

[illomatic]

You are wasting time. I know myself better than you.
And yes I hate the Mughals, any self-respecting Hindu would as well.

why?

[dopekhor]

lol.

Indian Hindus are a relativly peacefull group who are very sane-minded and are in many cases more patriotic towards India than many Hindus.

Looks like the joke is on you.

if thats case I wonder why religious riots and mosque distructions happened in India.

[urbanmix786]

are u fucking kidding me?

there are enough muslims, who drink and eat pork, yet pray four times a day. in my opinion, they are smart enough to awknowledge that any restriction made on the diet was due to poor conditions of food back in the day.

to any man not following religion, when he sees
1. women clad in black clothing, while men are free to do as they please
2. women being married off awfully young
3. a man having 4 wives

and countless stories of inequality, one cannot help but think that it must be their religion.


you know what i really dislike about islam, like one thing i am sure the extremists have come up with...
that if you drop gangajal on mecca or medina, then islam would vanish.

that happens to be the most illogical and stupid thing i've ever heard, and i believe it arises from very sincere muslims.

its like saying if one of you were to have a dip in ganga or go visit allahbad or varanasi, hinduism would die.

Caught this late :mad: it interupted my chill out session with the Doors.

(First part directed at adrenaline)
to Adrenaline u always speak shitronics, you’re a dirty racist fascist and well your views are just opinionated. Hinduisms promotes equality and isn't a cult hmmm: so satyr burning, HINDU WIVES PUBLICLY DEVOURED BY DOGS , CANNIBALISM PRACTICED ON HINDU WOMEN, women having to wear white to symbolise they are unclean isn't a devilish cult manufactured from hindusim and it's teaching?.. f it read it all yourself http://www.dalitstan.org/books/gowh/gowh3.html ( :) can give u more sites if u want arn't i a good samartian. It is disgusting I am speaking as a humanist). Well I’m glad u love America lets face it in India u would have had it hard as an untouchable lolls…No matter what u say at least Islam promotes equality, the catse system again is just a joke. U my friend are a hypocrite if u don’t practice your religion, so i suggest u go o eat up a family member.



Angelique

1. Most women wear the uhbahyah ‘black clothing’ out of choice no one forced them. It is an act of religious administration. Even after the Talibans were overthrown did u see the women just take of their veils. No so stop Bs’ing. The same way some Sikhs chose to wear a turban, nuns chose to wear a veil etc

2. Hell at least Islam waits tell the girls hit pubery. Lets see Hinduism views: Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70].
Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! –

"A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner."[Manu IX.94]

3. See the case behind having 4 wife’s, (only if the first wife consents, secondly it was mainly encouraged for men to marry widowed and divorced women and take on their children. (It was a way of protecting them from fucktards (remember the eira), being able to support them financialy and their children...unfortunately state benifts were not availaibe in the 7th century...Also read Geraldine Brooks a non Muslim Australian, wall street journal reporter who lived in the Middle East for seven years book ‘nine parts of desire’. She talks about the religious culture and women’s way of life. She focuses on clearing misconceptions and stereotypes many westerns hold today about the modern Arab world she states that only a minority of men have multiple wives and betrothed and marry their daughters at an early age. She goes on to state the Arab women lead very safe life’s and have access to modern facilities and live plush lifestyles.

Seriously don't bring up religion on these stupid threads...keep it light and breezy, for F sake i'm running late now!

[adren@line]

no i dont agree with adrenaline, it seems as if he does not know enough muslims in real life. plus there is a difference between dislike, hatred, and extremism but he tends to group the three.

nope.

Dislike and hate are different degrees, I stated this specifically in regards to Angelique's comments about how France, etc *hates* the US.

[angelique]

They lived here to begin with?
Many of them are moderates?
They like the comforts of this country?

As I had stated earlier, my "Muslims hate America" commented was directed towards Muslims who reside outside of the USA.
you fail to answer, why so many muslim students still seek to come to the united states to receive education etc, if muslims outside USA, think that muslims are msitreated in the US.

When did I state that I disliked India? you said the more you visit other countries, the more you appreciate living in the United States. So if you were given an opportunity to live in India instead, I doubt you would go there, who would give up comforts, yea?



read above.
i forget what this was for but i did read above. and you failed to read everything

the good old "American propanda" excuse that has been played to death. I suppose you would prefer some Al-jazeera propaganda?

Or are you one of those types who hails the BBC as the beacon of nuetrality?
would you rather i lick CNN's balls? all news and media is subjected to influence. as i said earlier, in my opinion the terrorist attacks are more due to the social economic and political environment of the people who live there. as i said earlier, there are hindu's who would be suicide bombers to go kill some muslims if given chance. it is really not about religion.

btw, i am so sorry it just happens that middleeast has all the oil, and cheney (sp?) and bush, happen to be on the board of texaco and other companies. damn coincidences. :rolleyes:

[dopekhor]

you do know that while bush was wrong about the wmds that he based on it several authentic intelligence reports which claimed saddam had wmd's... the british and other countries also thought so. turned out they were wrong. but let me guess, you believe bush either faked the reports (even the independent ones) or that he knew they were incorrect (which would make no sense becomes of the many varying reports that had similar conclusions). so anyway, bush was wrong but his motives weren't fake.

and the gas price increase is circumstansial
Ovbiously he fake the reports or had something to do with it, why do u think the US confiscated the 3000 page report on Iraqs WMDs prepared by the UN.

[adren@line]

look, if there werent muslims there would be no Islam.

only reason u hate Islam is because of how some select muslims have wrongfully portrayed it right?

thas fine.

dont say u hate Islam. that jus aint right. u offend muslims by making such a bold statement.

jus say u hate the ones that have messed up the impression of Islam. because Allah isn't going to back them up either.

nope. I hate Islam. Maybe that is an extreme, but for now I am sticking to it.

I do not hate Muslims, in general.

I hate the extremists, but everone else does as well. I dislike the actions of other Muslim groups but that does not mean I hate that specific group in general.

[typeOnegative]

1. Most women wear the uhbahyah ‘black clothing’ out of choice no one forced them. It is an act of religious administration. Even after the Talibans were overthrown did u see the women just take of their veils. No so stop Bs’ing. The same way some Sikhs chose to wear a turban, nuns chose to wear a veil etcWhat you said is partially true and partially bullcrap. True, because I guess (and this is what I have read up) that in Islam there is supposed to be (atleast theoretically) no cimpulsion. Bull crap because you say it is not forced. :)

[indeeracer]

please dont make me research christians/jews who've done america wrong
if you're hating on religion @drenaline... please dont make u feel stupid.
let's see, first we have the KKK...timothy McVeigh..as far as Jews go..what about that guy that was on the board of the Simon Wesenthal Center for Tolerance, who planned to blow up a mosque..don't get me wrong, I've know people that believe all Indians should be Hindu..and some that believe anyone with an Indian complexion should be Muslim..personally I'm christian..luckily my parents taught me what they could about every religion..they encouaged us to discover other religions..heck at my house I have the entire Mahabrata on DVD, sitting right next to my Bible...I believe every Religion simply asks people to be decent humans..

[methodman535]

I am not a Hindu fundamentalist. There is life beyond RD (remeber that).. you are taking this way to seriously. I have stated this before hand. I do not agree with any type of fundamentalism.

You are wasting time. I know myself better than you.
And yes I hate the Mughals, any self-respecting Hindu would as well.


So you hate mughals, you hate islam, you hate pakis too since they are desi mughals who according to you broke off a chunk of India. Dude you are fundementalist, You are hindu brahmin, believe that you have a right to rule over every single desi from the top just like brahmanic vedic fundemendalists have been wanting to do for centuries...and have done for many centuries. The vast amount of desi muslims ruin your fundemental vision because they smashed that "self respecting hindu" vision to smithereens. This is your dogma, dont try to hide it and its all linked to your hate and rivalry against mughal culture.

You saying that you know yourself better doesnt hold much worth, you are bearing witness to yourself lol..doesnt work like that. And yeah who is taking RD seriously? Not the person who obsesses over mughal bashing on RD constantly month after month...year after year?

[adren@line]

you fail to answer, why so many muslim students still seek to come to the united states to receive education etc, if muslims outside USA, think that muslims are msitreated in the US.

AS I have stated, not all Muslims are the same. Many "Muslims" are moderates, or simply dont give a shit about world events.

ou said the more you visit other countries, the more you appreciate living in the United States. So if you were given an opportunity to live in India instead, I doubt you would go there, who would give up comforts, yea?

that does not mean I dislike India. It means I would not want to live there for a long period of time.


would you rather i lick CNN's balls? all news and media is subjected to influence. as i said earlier, in my opinion the terrorist attacks are more due to the social economic and political environment of the people who live there. as i said earlier, there are hindu's who would be suicide bombers to go kill some muslims if given chance. it is really not about religion.

What the hell are you talking about. Any Hindutva fundie can travel into kashmir with a bomb strapped across his chest and kill a few Wahhabis. Your speculations really arent based in reality.

The primary Hindu conflict is with Pakistan. We have other smaller ones with the Tamils, and they do use suicide attacks, but that is on a small scale compared to the Muslim ones.

[angelique]

Angelique

1. Most women wear the uhbahyah ‘black clothing’ out of choice no one forced them. It is an act of religious administration. Even after the Talibans were overthrown did u see the women just take of their veils. No so stop Bs’ing. The same way some Sikhs chose to wear a turban, nuns chose to wear a veil etc

2. Hell at least Islam waits tell the girls hit pubery. Lets see Hinduism views: Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70].
Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! –

"A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner."[Manu IX.94]

3. See the case behind having 4 wife’s, (only if the first wife consents, secondly it was mainly encouraged for men to marry widowed and divorced women and take on their children. (It was a way of protecting them from fucktards (remember the eira), being able to support them financialy and their children...unfortunately state benifts were not availaibe in the 7th century...Also read Geraldine Brooks a non Muslim Australian, wall street journal reporter who lived in the Middle East for seven years book ‘nine parts of desire’. She talks about the religious culture and women’s way of life. She focuses on clearing misconceptions and stereotypes many westerns hold today about the modern Arab world she states that only a minority of men have multiple wives and betrothed and marry their daughters at an early age. She goes on to state the Arab women lead very safe life’s and have access to modern facilities and live plush lifestyles.

Seriously don't bring up religion on these stupid threads...keep it light and breezy, for F sake i'm running late now!
woah, are you not hella stupid, if you bothered reading the context that was written in, you would have saved your self some time and not be "running late". he questioned the issue of "Status of women in islam", and if you think it is not an issue at all, you really need to make a trip to the library if no where else.

again if you had bothered to read further, you would have seen waht i had to say about the four wives thing to aniq.

again, do not make this a hindu muslim argument, what happens in hinduism is out of question, it is not a topic of discussion. if you are done proving your self stupid....

lastly it is funny how all of you have chosen to ignore the remark of
"if a few drops of ganga jal was to be sprinkleed over mecca or medina, islam would die" comment.

i am really curious, it is a wide spread islamic belief from what i understand.

[illomatic]

let's see, first we have the KKK...timothy McVeigh..as far as Jews go..what about that guy that was on the board of the Simon Wesenthal Center for Tolerance, who planned to blow up a mosque..don't get me wrong, I've know people that believe all Indians should be Hindu..and some that believe anyone with an Indian complexion should be Muslim..personally I'm christian..luckily my parents taught me what they could about every religion..they encouaged us to discover other religions..heck at my house I have the entire Mahabrata on DVD, sitting right next to my Bible...I believe every Religion simply asks people to be decent humans..

:hug: :Peace:

[illomatic]

lastly it is funny how all of you have chosen to ignore the remark of
"if a few drops of ganga jal was to be sprinkleed over mecca or medina, islam would die" comment.


whats ganga jal?

[adren@line]

So you hate mughals, you hate islam

yup.


ou hate pakis too since they are desi mughals who according to you broke off a chunk of India.

no I dont hate "Pakis" as a group. I dislike the idea of Pakistan and dislike the events taht have lead to creation of Pakistan as well as the Pakistani claims over Kashmir. This is absolutely normal. There is nothing unique about it.

Dude you are fundementalist, You are hindu brahmin, believe that you have a right to rule over every single desi from the top just like brahmanic vedic fundemendalists have been wanting to do for centuries..

Now you are making crap up.

I have stated over and over and over again that I do not believe in the caste system at all and I wish for it to be abolished. You, along with the 20 other people in my fan club, need to *read what I write*.

he vast amount of desi muslims ruin your fundemental vision because they smashed that "self respecting hindu" vision to smithereens. This is your dogma, dont try to hide it and its all linked to your hate and rivalry against mughal culture.

Dude, listen to yourself. I live in the USA, I dont live in India. Me being Brahmin has no bearing living here in realistic terms. But I do not hide my hatred for the Mughals, and I have stated why, yet you keep spewing your bullshit and invent reasons as to why I hate the Mughals, when you are completely off base.

You saying that you know yourself better doesnt hold much worth, you are bearing witness to yourself lol..doesnt work like that. And yeah who is taking RD seriously? Not the person who obsesses over mughal bashing on RD constantly month after month...year after year?

look at your post count then look at mine. :confused:

[urbanmix786]

What you said is partially true and partially bullcrap. True, because I guess (and this is what I have read up) that in Islam there is supposed to be (atleast theoretically) no cimpulsion. Bull crap because you say it is not forced. :)

You meant compulsion, well I seriously think u need to makse some muslim friends outside RD...I have many friends at university who wear the uhbahyah, they wear it out of choice. Even in the middle east in strict countries such as in Syria (I have visited and spoken to females who are content about wearing it. Westerners have to understand that the veil and or uhbahyah is not appeasing them. They have embraced modernity and Islam teaching take the Islamic Women’s Games. Hundreds of female athletes wearing the veil participate from many different Muslim countries. Stop living in the 12th century ppl.

[angelique]

AS I have stated, not all Muslims are the same. Many "Muslims" are moderates, or simply dont give a shit about world events.
now if you would also alter the "i hate____" part, we would actually be talking like educated people, and not juveniles, who let emotional words such as love and hate come into a topic of dicussion


that does not mean I dislike India. It means I would not want to live there for a long period of time.

this argument is no more in question, as you concur to what i had to say previously.


What the hell are you talking about. Any Hindutva fundie can travel into kashmir with a bomb strapped across his chest and kill a few Wahhabis. Your speculations really arent based in reality.

The primary Hindu conflict is with Pakistan. We have other smaller ones with the Tamils, and they do use suicide attacks, but that is on a small scale compared to the Muslim ones.

yes any hindu can, but thankfully, there are not very many suffering kashmir escaped hindu's in india. that goes back to nehru's policy for kashmiri. i was talking about, considering the suicide bomber's socioeconomic and political environment they grow up in, as compared to blaming it to their religion, just because the media does it, and you obviously seem heavily influenced in your thoughts by the media.

and i hate to correct you but the conflict with pakistan is political and religious. our corrupt governments on both side chose to make it religious. if hindu's were against muslim, would we have a vast muslim population in india?

that is another political propoganda, it could have been solved years ago.

[angelique]

whats ganga jal?
water from the ganges. the holy hindu river.

[dopekhor]

woah, are you not hella stupid, if you bothered reading the context that was written in, you would have saved your self some time and not be "running late". he questioned the issue of "Status of women in islam", and if you think it is not an issue at all, you really need to make a trip to the library if no where else.

again if you had bothered to read further, you would have seen waht i had to say about the four wives thing to aniq.

again, do not make this a hindu muslim argument, what happens in hinduism is out of question, it is not a topic of discussion. if you are done proving your self stupid....

lastly it is funny how all of you have chosen to ignore the remark of
"if a few drops of ganga jal was to be sprinkleed over mecca or medina, islam would die" comment.

i am really curious, it is a wide spread islamic belief from what i understand.
lol what next? did you know that the dude who claimed that the taj mahal was a temple also claimed that the kabbah was also related to the worship of shiva

[urbanmix786]

Don't know anything about the ganga jal thing, but defo will do my research.

[adren@line]

Anyways, im done for tonight, as I have class in a few hours.

the members of my seemingly large-fanclub, as headed by dopekhor and methodman, can continue to jump on my ass in the afternoon, when I will have some freetime to spare.

goodnite. :lalala:

[**bambina**]

lol man.

Ive said this before:

I dont hate "Muslims". I do hate Muslim extremists, and I hate what the Mughals have done to South Asia (but that is irrelevant).

Overall, I do not hate Muslims, as they are a very varied group.

I *hate* Islam. I do not like the religion at all. To me it is an Arab cult, in which one of its goals is world-wide domination with a Muslim majority (this is a fact).

I also do not like the condescending tone and the overtones of superiority that the religion promotes for Muslims over non-Muslims.

Islam is inherently disrespectfull to peoples of other faiths. We are all potential converts or pawn in this ultimate plan of global domination. It breeds and "us vs them" mentality.

Secondly, I am a proud American. I am also a proud Indian and Hindu. I hate anyone who is anti-American, or anti-Indian/Hindu, and coincidentally, the majority of those people are Muslims.

I can safely say I will never respect nor sympathize with anyone who wishes to see America destroyed or hurt, and I can safely say that alot of Muslims wish this for the USA.

NOW, believe it or not, I have had Muslim friends when I lived in NC. Religion was never an issue, they didnt try to convert me, and kept the religion to themselves. In other words, they werent religious, or they werent religious enough to let it affect me.


firstly, hating islam is hating muslims. secondly you dont know about ppl's culture/ beliefs etc etc until u dont pratice them so u cant say what a individual muslim believes is right or rong.. thirdly, islam doesnt try and be superior or put other religions down. i dunno how mnay times u have been to india or any of the middle east countries... but ppl are not treated ther differently coz of ther religion or culture or even beliefs...... sadly politics has alot to do with... which brain wash's ppl into believing things, and these ppl are ppl who are not that educated and are easily influenced by others and they are not all muslims, its ppl from all religions... and not every muslim is anti american. and finally, i am muslim and have many frends from different cultures/ nations. and i keep my religion to myself, this doesnt mean i am not religious or dont believe strongly in it to convert anyone i meet into islam! i am religious and have great faith, but at the same time respect for other beliefs and cultures.

[illomatic]

water from the ganges. the holy hindu river.

never heard of that sweety

people who believe random things are st0opid no?

we believe islam will end when there is not 1 person left who follows the religion
(smart?... i think all religions end that way LOL)

and the main sign is when mecca and medina are destroyed by
dajjal, yagoog and majooj
(dont remember the exact story revealed, but yea its somewhat like that)

[illomatic]

firstly, hating islam is hating muslims. secondly you dont know about ppl's culture/ beliefs etc etc until u dont pratice them so u cant say what a individual muslim believes is right or rong.. thirdly, islam doesnt try and be superior or put other religions down. i dunno how mnay times u have been to india or any of the middle east countries... but ppl are not treated ther differently coz of ther religion or culture or even beliefs...... sadly politics has alot to do with... which brain wash's ppl into believing things, and these ppl are ppl who are not that educated and are easily influenced by others and they are not all muslims, its ppl from all religions... and not every muslim is anti american. and finally, i am muslim and have many frends from different cultures/ nations. and i keep my religion to myself, this doesnt mean i am not religious or dont believe strongly in it to convert anyone i meet into islam! i am religious and have great faith, but at the same time respect for other beliefs and cultures.


;)

happy bday

im me... i vanna talk to jhooooo

[angelique]

I am not a Hindu fundamentalist. There is life beyond RD (remeber that).. you are taking this way to seriously. I have stated this before hand. I do not agree with any type of fundamentalism.

You are wasting time. I know myself better than you.
And yes I hate the Mughals, any self-respecting Hindu would as well.
as much as i dislike his lack of tact and diplomacy in his writing,

i only like mughals for mughlai food. but in the religious context, i hate mughals too :shock: and by hate i dont mean dislike, i mean HATE, like HATE, like how i HATE what british did in india, and how i HATE what chinese have done to the Tibetians, and how i HATE what anglo australians did to the tribal Australians, and how i HATE what anglo's did to the Indians in the US.

yea that type of hate. i hate mughals.

[illomatic]

as much as i dislike his lack of tact and diplomacy in his writing,

i only like mughals for mughlai food. but in the religious context, i hate mughals too :shock: and by hate i dont mean dislike, i mean HATE, like HATE, like how i HATE what british did in india, and how i HATE what chinese have done to the Tibetians, and how i HATE what anglo australians did to the tribal Australians, and how i HATE what anglo's did to the Indians in the US.

yea that type of hate. i hate mughals.


wut did they do :confused:

[angelique]

lol what next? did you know that the dude who claimed that the taj mahal was a temple also claimed that the kabbah was also related to the worship of shiva
i didnt even read that thread about taj mahal being a temple, id have shat in my pants and walked around instead. but i have heard that, from quite a few people, and when there were gujrat riots, i was quite tempted to fly over mecca and drop a few :p :twisted: .... curiosity you know, to see how an illogical statement can ever be true.

[methodman535]

yup.


no I dont hate "Pakis" as a group. I dislike the idea of Pakistan and dislike the events taht have lead to creation of Pakistan as well as the Pakistani claims over Kashmir. This is absolutely normal. There is nothing unique about it.



You hate pakis. You dislike the idea of that country at the very essence, pakis dont want to be Indian its a sovereign nation and a separate culture, its a culture that glorifies mughal India which you hate, its a culture that writes arabic script instead of the Indian script, you hate that fact too even though you cant write a word in anything but English...you pretty much hate anything that is uniquely paki thats not Indian...you stand against everything that makes a paki proud..you hate pakis, mughals and islam.



Now you are making crap up.

I have stated over and over and over again that I do not believe in the caste system at all and I wish for it to be abolished. You, along with the 20 other people in my fan club, need to *read what I write*.



Im not making things up. I didnt even mention the caste system, you just pulled that out of your ass to divert attention from the point that I was making. All I said was you want your dogma...to be the supreme dogma of the whole of Desiland...you want everyone to be hindu or at least 95% to be hindu and the rest to be just peculiarities. Thats hindu fundementalism. Dont deny you want that, this is why you hate the mughals cuz they smashed that vision of the brahmans to bits forever. Its all tied to your hatred of islam, mughals and pakis.



Dude, listen to yourself. I live in the USA, I dont live in India. Me being Brahmin has no bearing living here in realistic terms. But I do not hide my hatred for the Mughals, and I have stated why, yet you keep spewing your bullshit and invent reasons as to why I hate the Mughals, when you are completely off base.



I didnt say it does or have any realistic bearing in relation to living in the USA. However it has a LOT to do with why you hate mughals, pakistan and islam. It has everything to do with that. Because its all part of your indoctrination. Fundementalist indoctrination.

[typeOnegative]

You meant compulsion, well I seriously think u need to makse some muslim friends outside RD...I have many friends at university who wear the uhbahyah, they wear it out of choice. Even in the middle east in strict countries such as in Syria (I have visited and spoken to females who are content about wearing it. Westerners have to understand that the veil and or uhbahyah is not appeasing them. They have embraced modernity and Islam teaching take the Islamic Women’s Games. Hundreds of female athletes wearing the veil participate from many different Muslim countries. Stop living in the 12th century ppl.
Please re-read my post Ms Modernity. :)

[methodman535]

as much as i dislike his lack of tact and diplomacy in his writing,

i only like mughals for mughlai food.

tsk tsk tsk.

[angelique]

wut did they do :confused:
killed people, converted people, created disorder, killed people justbecause they were "hindus", forced people to do against their belief etc, pretty much what british did when they first came in... sad stuff :?raping and loot.. etc etc... and hinduism lost a lot of its architecture and culture due to the mughal reign.. that is why u see far more temples in south and east india as compared to west india etc...

there is a funny story of how aurangzeb actually pissed in the ganges, and hence the downfall of the mughals after him or some such riot.

[**bambina**]

;)

happy bday

im me... i vanna talk to jhooooo

thank you!

and im wher? i only have msn!

[typeOnegative]

killed people, converted people, created disorder, killed people justbecause they were "hindus", forced people to do against their belief etc, pretty much what british did when they first came in... sad stuff :?raping and loot.. etc etc... and hinduism lost a lot of its architecture and culture due to the mughal reign.. that is why u see far more temples in south and east india as compared to west india etc...

there is a funny story of how aurangzeb actually pissed in the ganges, and hence the downfall of the mughals after him or some such riot.
Mughals, mughals .. damn .. there were a lot of Muslim rulers in India who did crap and yet were not Mughals. And as for the piss story, I am waiting for the buffalo species to get extinct now.

[angelique]

tsk tsk tsk.
im honest yo. i dont even know what existed in india before that
dal chawal is good sure... but not as awesome as tandoori chicken
mmmmmmmm chicken tangdi kabab
ohh man

reshmi kabab ahh man fuck yea!
naan! tandoori roti (As compared to the *bleh bleh* roti)

[methodman535]

im honest yo. i dont even know what existed in india before that
dal chawal is good sure... but not as awesome as tandoori chicken
mmmmmmmm chicken tangdi kabab
ohh man

reshmi kabab ahh man fuck yea!
naan! tandoori roti (As compared to the *bleh bleh* roti)

I wanted to ask you something...I dont want the fire in this thread to die down though, its about livers.... :cool:

[desi_balla63]

Caught this late :mad: it interupted my chill out session with the Doors.

(First part directed at adrenaline)
to Adrenaline u always speak shitronics, you’re a dirty racist fascist and well your views are just opinionated. Hinduisms promotes equality and isn't a cult hmmm: so satyr burning, HINDU WIVES PUBLICLY DEVOURED BY DOGS , CANNIBALISM PRACTICED ON HINDU WOMEN, women having to wear white to symbolise they are unclean isn't a devilish cult manufactured from hindusim and it's teaching?.. f it read it all yourself http://www.dalitstan.org/books/gowh/gowh3.html ( :) can give u more sites if u want arn't i a good samartian. It is disgusting I am speaking as a humanist). Well I’m glad u love America lets face it in India u would have had it hard as an untouchable lolls…No matter what u say at least Islam promotes equality, the catse system again is just a joke. U my friend are a hypocrite if u don’t practice your religion, so i suggest u go o eat up a family member.



Angelique

1. Most women wear the uhbahyah ‘black clothing’ out of choice no one forced them. It is an act of religious administration. Even after the Talibans were overthrown did u see the women just take of their veils. No so stop Bs’ing. The same way some Sikhs chose to wear a turban, nuns chose to wear a veil etc

2. Hell at least Islam waits tell the girls hit pubery. Lets see Hinduism views: Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70].
Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! –

"A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner."[Manu IX.94]

3. See the case behind having 4 wife’s, (only if the first wife consents, secondly it was mainly encouraged for men to marry widowed and divorced women and take on their children. (It was a way of protecting them from fucktards (remember the eira), being able to support them financialy and their children...unfortunately state benifts were not availaibe in the 7th century...Also read Geraldine Brooks a non Muslim Australian, wall street journal reporter who lived in the Middle East for seven years book ‘nine parts of desire’. She talks about the religious culture and women’s way of life. She focuses on clearing misconceptions and stereotypes many westerns hold today about the modern Arab world she states that only a minority of men have multiple wives and betrothed and marry their daughters at an early age. She goes on to state the Arab women lead very safe life’s and have access to modern facilities and live plush lifestyles.

Seriously don't bring up religion on these stupid threads...keep it light and breezy, for F sake i'm running late now!

:shock: Talk about spitting knowledge.

[angelique]

Mughals, mughals .. damn .. there were a lot of Muslim rulers in India who did crap and yet were not Mughals. And as for the piss story, I am waiting for the buffalo species to get extinct now.
err i am not sure what you mean. from what i know the whole tenure of all the muslim rulers were called mughals.

babar..
then
hymanshu (or something like that) and sher shah suri had a tiff..
Akbar
shah jahan
Aurangzeb and shivaji had a tiff..

and then the british came.

they aer all considered mughals.. and barbar was from far west afghanistan.

u know whats funny though.. if u read religious text, gangadhar (now in afghanistan) was then in india, aint that cool?

[illomatic]

killed people, converted people, created disorder, killed people justbecause they were "hindus", forced people to do against their belief etc, pretty much what british did when they first came in... sad stuff :?raping and loot.. etc etc... and hinduism lost a lot of its architecture and culture due to the mughal reign.. that is why u see far more temples in south and east india as compared to west india etc...

there is a funny story of how aurangzeb actually pissed in the ganges, and hence the downfall of the mughals after him or some such riot.

lol i dont believe cuz he pissed he was crushed

lol no way man

if they did fucked up shit like that... they deserved it

didnt they do any good tho? :confused:

[angelique]

:shock: Talk about spitting knowledge.
are u kidding me, she needs to read before alleging anything remotely knowledgeble.

[indeeracer]

:hug: :Peace:
hey bro...I've heard in most countries that if you ask for a translation of the Quran, they'll hand you a bible and tell you only read the first half..also, according to three different religious doctrines, Judaism and Islam are the two original religions...the fight over Isarael has been going on for over 2000 years..I'm willing to bet the two extremist groups do not even know what they are fighting for..lastly, most terrorist stem from the common seed which allows gangs to run prevalent in poverty stricken communities...poverty...most islamic "terrorist" are Saudi Arabian..in S.A., Saudis are not allowed to work..most foreigners work for them..that will make anybody's blood boil..I mean hell how did most Americans feel when American Companies began outsourcing jobs to places where the labor cost is low...sorry for the long post, but I guess that's what I've learned from a teacher who believed that "if you ain't white, you ain't right"...funny though, cause he actually respected me...

[angelique]

lol i dont believe cuz he pissed he was crushed

lol no way man

if they did fucked up shit like that... they deserved it

didnt they do any good tho? :confused:
its a funny story, i made it up right now u fool :p
even during the mughal reign, the four hindu spots were well crowded by brahmins, and mughals were smart enough to not to tred on it.

im not sure whats good done by the mughals.. hmm coz the culture that has now developed is a mixture of what was before and what they brought with them...

i mean its like asking was there any good brought off from the British rule in the indian subcontinent, well tell me was there any? not really... i mean its hard to tell how things would have been had it not happen, yea? i mean from what i read about times when ashoka was a ruler, india was doing rather well.. i mean look at the south... some of the advancements can be seen in their temples, which were unaffected by the mughal's rule..

[angelique]

I wanted to ask you something...I dont want the fire in this thread to die down though, its about livers.... :cool:
lol ask away its almost over anyways..

[FTJfag]

ball69, shall we stop this now? Please =[

[typeOnegative]

err i am not sure what you mean. from what i know the whole tenure of all the muslim rulers were called mughals.

babar..
then
hymanshu (or something like that) and sher shah suri had a tiff..
Akbar
shah jahan
Aurangzeb and shivaji had a tiff..

and then the british came.

they aer all considered mughals.. and barbar was from far west afghanistan.

u know whats funny though.. if u read religious text, gangadhar (now in afghanistan) was then in india, aint that cool?
Lady, you definitely need to read up. The Mughals are classified in two - The Great Mughals and the Lesser Mughals.

The Great Mughals are - Babar -> Humayun -> Akbar -> Jahangir -> Shah Jahan -> Aurangzeb.
The line of the lesser Mughals started after Aurangzeb and ended with Bahadur Shah Zaffar. Incidentally, it was under Bahadur Shah that the Indian rulers united to fight against the British in the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857. Such was the feeling towards the so caled opressive Mughal empire that even Hindu rulers agreed to fight under Bahadur Shah. *sarcasm* After the revolt was suppressed, he was sent to Rangoon where he died a forlorn old man. So scared were the British about the Mughal legacy that the old man was forced to see his sons being killed. The Mughal line ended with him (or his sons whichever way you see it). The Mughal dynasty has had its share of tyrants, but also gave India one of its greatest emperors (in the true sense of the word) Akbar. Read up if you can.

And it is Gandhar not gangadhar ... wtf ... :lol:

Gandhar was formerly Hindu (or whatever Hinduism was at that time) and then during the Greek period turned or started turning Buddhist. Islamization happened later and we now know it as Kandahar.

[methodman535]

lol ask away its almost over anyways..

Look in the liver thread I just bumped it up...I wanted to know what the danger is with that cleanse. How can a person fuck up to the point where it makes the liver even wors?

[desi_balla63]

ball69, shall we stop this now? Please =[

Eh, I think so. :salut:

[typeOnegative]

Eh, I think so. :salut:
:lol: ball69 ...

[FTJfag]

It was very fun and enlightening while it lasted!

[typeOnegative]

It was very fun and enlightening while it lasted!e-fights are always fun.

[absolutbrownguy]

He just cant get over the fact that muslims being a minority gave more things to the subcontinent then anyone else.


are u fuckin blind? or something? minority? isnt islam the worlds biggest religion?

[SharpenedMango]

gosh

sometimes RD feels like bitch about the other religion forum


come on

why all these meaningful threads, lets not hate.....

lets love


or have phonesex in ftjfags case

either way

[angelique]

Lady, you definitely need to read up. The Mughals are classified in two - The Great Mughals and the Lesser Mughals.

The Great Mughals are - Babar -> Humayun -> Akbar -> Jahangir -> Shah Jahan -> Aurangzeb.
The line of the lesser Mughals started after Aurangzeb and ended with Bahadur Shah Zaffar. Incidentally, it was under Bahadur Shah that the Indian rulers united to fight against the British in the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857. Such was the feeling towards the so caled opressive Mughal empire that even Hindu rulers agreed to fight under Bahadur Shah. After the revolt was suppressed, he was sent to Rangoon where he died a forlorn old man. So scared were the British about the Mughal legacy that the old man was forced to see his sons being killed. The Mughal line ended with him (or his sons whichever way you see it). The Mughal dynasty has had its share of tyrants, but also gave India one of its greatest emperors (in the true sense of the word) Akbar. Read up if you can.

And it is Gandhar not gangadhar ... wtf ... :lol:

Gandhar was formerly Hindu (or whatever Hinduism was at that time) and then during the Greek period turned or started turning Buddhist. Islamization happened later and we now know it as Kandahar.
truthfully speaking history was never my strong point, but i do recall now that u mention it, the name bahadhur shah zafar stands out. and being a rigid hindu i'd like to say Ashoka was a true hindu king.. although akbar was a great emperor...

however, what i was talking about was, the tyranny of when they came, and their barbareous(sp?) acts. i mean its hard to say what india would have turned out otherwise, as they ruled for so many years, but as i said before the south, which remained untouched by the mughal emporars (the cholas, pandavas etc) did not really turn out all that bad.

so in my opinion, juvenile as it may sound, the only cool thing about mughals coming to india is mughali food, and i dont mean that in a funny way, i am actually quite serious as i say that.

and yea my abd about the gandhar gangadhar mixup

[typeOnegative]

are u fuckin blind? or something? minority? isnt islam the worlds biggest religion?Minority in India dufus.

[FTJfag]

e-fights are always fun.

Meh! Depends! Going back and forth over religion is boring, and you generally end up repeating yourself. However, it could have been fun if people started slurring aimlessly, with cheap shots! But....nooooo! You people are too moral and respectful for that =[

Bastards!

[angelique]

gosh

sometimes RD feels like bitch about the other religion forum


come on

why all these meaningful threads, lets not hate.....

lets love


or have phonesex in ftjfags case

either wayare u fucking kidding me.. i think its one of the most intelligent threads so far. no one ended up on excessive namecalling. its impressive.

[indeeracer]

are u fuckin blind? or something? minority? isnt islam the worlds biggest religion?
Think it is now..but heck, at point everyone in the world thought the earth was flat...so much for mass majority being right...

[angelique]

Meh! Depends! Going back and forth over religion is boring, and you generally end up repeating yourself. However, it could have been fun if people started slurring aimlessly, with cheap shots! But....nooooo! You people are too moral and respectful for that =[

Bastards!
i am going to say this as nicely as i can.

could you please remove my picture from your signature?

[FTJfag]

gosh

sometimes RD feels like bitch about the other religion forum


come on

why all these meaningful threads, lets not hate.....

lets love


or have phonesex in ftjfags case

either way

Amen, brother.

While we're on the subject, I may as well publicise a little.

For anyone who is interested in phonesex- I don't mind what you look like, just as long as you vocally get your freak on!

[absolutbrownguy]

Minority in India dufus.


he never pointed that out. dufus.

[angelique]

i am going to say this as nicely as i can.

could you please remove my picture from your signature?
:anger: :anger: :anger:

[typeOnegative]

truthfully speaking history was never my strong point, but i do recall now that u mention it, the name bahadhur shah zafar stands out. and being a rigid hindu i'd like to say Ashoka was a true hindu king.. although akbar was a great emperor...

however, what i was talking about was, the tyranny of when they came, and their barbareous(sp?) acts. i mean its hard to say what india would have turned out otherwise, as they ruled for so many years, but as i said before the south, which remained untouched by the mughal emporars (the cholas, pandavas etc) did not really turn out all that bad.

so in my opinion, juvenile as it may sound, the only cool thing about mughals coming to india is mughali food, and i dont mean that in a funny way, i am actually quite serious as i say that.

and yea my abd about the gandhar gangadhar mixup
Lady. :)

Ashoka was a Hindu. He later converted to Buddhism, after he got tired of the killing.

The South also had Muslim rulers mind you. The Bahamanis, Hyder Ali and Tipus Sultan etc.

Every single invader in India, Muslim or otherwise has come with violence. And Hindus are not far away. The Cholas (or Pallavas) are reputed to be imperialists. How else do you think Hinduism can be found as far off as Bali in Indonesia and in Thailand? :)

Mrihakula, a Hindu king is reputed to have committed atrocities on Buddhists. So did Sasanka. No one is free from blame. Just because the Muslims have integrated into Indian society they come under the scanner so often.

[indeeracer]

Amen, brother.

While we're on the subject, I may as well publicise a little.

For anyone who is interested in phonesex- I don't mind what you look like, just as long as you vocally get your freak on!
how much per minute..I'm ugly, but my voice is deep.. :)...I feel a Phonesex thread coming on..

[typeOnegative]

he never pointed that out. dufus.You could have figured that out or asked nicely Goofy.

:lol:

[typeOnegative]

how much per minute..I'm ugly, but my voice is deep.. :)deep throat

[SharpenedMango]

i believe the transformation is complete

this has gone from being a thread about hating to a thread about deep throating


let the good times begin

whos first??? :tongue: :drunken: :tongue:

[typeOnegative]

:lol:

[absolutbrownguy]

You could have figured that out or asked nicely Goofy.

:lol:


go read his other posts goofy. im a hindu by the way. the shit he said made me mad. so yea. i dont really wanna be nice at the moment

but i stull love u dufus :hug:

[typeOnegative]

go read his other posts goofy. im a hindu by the way. the shit he said made me mad. so yea. i dont really wanna be nice at the moment

but i stull love u dufus :hug:My bad ... and I still love you too Goofy.
:D

[Cunard]

Caught this late :mad: it interupted my chill out session with the Doors.

(First part directed at adrenaline)
to Adrenaline u always speak shitronics, you’re a dirty racist fascist and well your views are just opinionated. Hinduisms promotes equality and isn't a cult hmmm: so satyr burning, HINDU WIVES PUBLICLY DEVOURED BY DOGS , CANNIBALISM PRACTICED ON HINDU WOMEN, women having to wear white to symbolise they are unclean isn't a devilish cult manufactured from hindusim and it's teaching?.. f it read it all yourself http://www.dalitstan.org/books/gowh/gowh3.html ( :) can give u more sites if u want arn't i a good samartian. It is disgusting I am speaking as a humanist). Well I’m glad u love America lets face it in India u would have had it hard as an untouchable lolls…No matter what u say at least Islam promotes equality, the catse system again is just a joke. U my friend are a hypocrite if u don’t practice your religion, so i suggest u go o eat up a family member.



Angelique

1. Most women wear the uhbahyah ‘black clothing’ out of choice no one forced them. It is an act of religious administration. Even after the Talibans were overthrown did u see the women just take of their veils. No so stop Bs’ing. The same way some Sikhs chose to wear a turban, nuns chose to wear a veil etc

2. Hell at least Islam waits tell the girls hit pubery. Lets see Hinduism views: Child marriage of daughters 5-6 years old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70].
Hindu Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! –

"A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner."[Manu IX.94]

3. See the case behind having 4 wife’s, (only if the first wife consents, secondly it was mainly encouraged for men to marry widowed and divorced women and take on their children. (It was a way of protecting them from fucktards (remember the eira), being able to support them financialy and their children...unfortunately state benifts were not availaibe in the 7th century...Also read Geraldine Brooks a non Muslim Australian, wall street journal reporter who lived in the Middle East for seven years book ‘nine parts of desire’. She talks about the religious culture and women’s way of life. She focuses on clearing misconceptions and stereotypes many westerns hold today about the modern Arab world she states that only a minority of men have multiple wives and betrothed and marry their daughters at an early age. She goes on to state the Arab women lead very safe life’s and have access to modern facilities and live plush lifestyles.

Seriously don't bring up religion on these stupid threads...[B]keep it light and breezy, for F sake i'm running late now!

smart women
:)

[typeOnegative]

If that was sarcasm, I am impressed.

[angelique]

Lady. :)

Ashoka was a Hindu. He later converted to Buddhism, after he got tired of the killing.

The South also had Muslim rulers mind you. The Bahamanis, Hyder Ali and Tipus Sultan etc.

Every single invader in India, Muslim or otherwise has come with violence. And Hindus are not far away. The Cholas (or Pallavas) are reputed to be imperialists. How else do you think Hinduism can be found as far off as Bali in Indonesia and in Thailand? :)

Mrihakula, a Hindu king is reputed to have committed atrocities on Buddhists. So did Sasanka. No one is free from blame. Just because the Muslims have integrated into Indian society they come under the scanner so often.
hyder ali was the father of tippu sultan, the mysore people! ofcourse, yea heh, i forgot all about them. i wasn't suggesting the chollas were perfect rulers, but then no kingdom was perfect, someone always suffered. make that suffers. some group always suffers.

again, hinduism as it exists in bali is quite different fromt he hinduism we speak of in india. hinduism in bali is more of a mixture between buddhism and hinduism. and the reason i know this is because after the al queda bombing in bali killing 140 ppl, a lot of articles came up about hinduism in bali, and some extremists hindu groups.also in addition to that, it wasn't hindu rulers, that went on a conquering spree, but ashoka's children, his daughter went to south and that is how hinduism spread to cambodia and bali etc..
but then again i could be wrong... id look things up but my IE is acting up :/

as for king sasanka and before him Mihirakula, were kings of bengal.. who did harm the buddhists and the monks, but there is a reason, why it has not left a lasting impression as other acts did.

and lastly, ashoka reign was considered prosperous, as it was the first time in history that so much of india was under a single ruler, and all that work had been done while he was still hindu. it was only later when he got married to a daughter of the monk and then he told hiskids to go and spread buddhism.. etc... i know its a pettya rgument... but the prime time of his reign did exist while he was still a hindu.

and yes akbar was a great ruler, i must say a very diplomatic ruler.. hahahaha if aurangzeb ahd not been as much of a prick he was i'd have said something in the lines of.. ofcourse akbar was great, he was born on indianland after all, but the argument fails faster than it rises :?

[illomatic]

are u fucking kidding me.. i think its one of the most intelligent threads so far. no one ended up on excessive namecalling. its impressive.


yes. the only reason i didnt curse was because i want u to be my girlfriend.
and i want to impress you.

im 19, how are u






:p

[angelique]

yes. the only reason i didnt curse was because i want u to be my girlfriend.
and i want to impress you.

im 19, how are u






:p
hahaha give up already first that 17 yr old asking me to be his prom date and now u! :shock:

I AM 20 YRS OLD. and i have a bf :P so both of u need to go find someone your own age :P

[illomatic]

hahaha give up already first that 17 yr old asking me to be his prom date and now u! :shock:

I AM 20 YRS OLD. and i have a bf :P so both of u need to go find someone your own age :P


but u are my age
u just grow too fast

dont celebrate ur 21's birthday
and ill catch upto u in no time (well a year)

ur voice is hottttttttt
thats the only reason i wwant u




wait
i saw ftjfags's pic of u

:cheers: ur cute

and heyyyyyyyy
u havent done much with ur bf
dump him, ill do more with u
and ill get ma phd

playa hatin degree
word word
lolllllllll

dont mind me, im hyperrrrrrrrr its 7am and its still dark out

wtf?

[angelique]

lol yea i can see ur hyper lol
dork
:P go find someone ur own age.. or go find someone from an international school.. my voice nor my accent is anything special, you'll find a lot of girls with my manner and voice :P

[typeOnegative]

hyder ali was the father of tippu sultan, the mysore people! ofcourse, yea heh, i forgot all about them. i wasn't suggesting the chollas were perfect rulers, but then no kingdom was perfect, someone always suffered. make that suffers. some group always suffers. Why does everyone not realize that? And btw, for me the Cholas were perfect rulers. The only thing is that no one is crying in Bali etc because the Balinese are Hindus. :) Get what I mean?

again, hinduism as it exists in bali is quite different fromt he hinduism we speak of in india. hinduism in bali is more of a mixture between buddhism and hinduism. and the reason i know this is because after the al queda bombing in bali killing 140 ppl, a lot of articles came up about hinduism in bali, and some extremists hindu groups.also in addition to that, it wasn't hindu rulers, that went on a conquering spree, but ashoka's children, his daughter went to south and that is how hinduism spread to cambodia and bali etc..
but then again i could be wrong... id look things up but my IE is acting up :/
Ashokas daughter spread Hinduism???


as for king sasanka and before him Mihirakula, were kings of bengal.. who did harm the buddhists and the monks, but there is a reason, why it has not left a lasting impression as other acts did. The reason it does not come up is because there are no people to bring it up.


and lastly, ashoka reign was considered prosperous, as it was the first time in history that so much of india was under a single ruler, and all that work had been done while he was still hindu. it was only later when he got married to a daughter of the monk and then he told hiskids to go and spread buddhism.. etc... i know its a pettya rgument... but the prime time of his reign did exist while he was still a hindu. Is this some Hindu pride thingie? :) And besides you would not recognize the Hinduism as practised during Ashokas time.


and yes akbar was a great ruler, i must say a very diplomatic ruler.. hahahaha if aurangzeb ahd not been as much of a prick he was i'd have said something in the lines of.. ofcourse akbar was great, he was born on indianland after all, but the argument fails faster than it rises :?Yes. India has that effect. Islam in India is very different from Islam elsewhere. At the risk of getting flamed, I might say that the Indian Muslim is a more balanced person than a Muslim elsewhere.
:p

[angelique]

Why does everyone not realize that? And btw, for me the Cholas were perfect rulers. The only thing is that no one is crying in Bali etc because the Balinese are Hindus. :) Get what I mean?
Ashokas daughter spread Hinduism???
no like his son, she spread buddhism, some text says "he sent his son beyond the himalayas, and his daughter, beyond the vast seas"
and i know it was she who spread it to indonesia, mainly because when i went to bali they told me so :/

why do u say cholas were perfect leader?



The reason it does not come up is because there are no people to bring it up.
i do not see how that serves the argument? i mean there are still buddhists in existance..... if it was a matter of great concern and really did make a difference to our current lives.. i guess if we had a hindu terrorist groups it might come up :p

Is this some Hindu pride thingie? :) And besides you would not recognize the Hinduism as practised during Ashokas time.

Yes. India has that effect. Islam in India is very different from Islam elsewhere. At the risk of getting flamed, I might say that the Indian Muslim is a more balanced person than a Muslim elsewhere.
:p
agreed hinduism has come a long way, those were awfully harsh times, in hindu history... i guess every religion goes through this u know... almost like a child.. that turns into an adolescent.. and then moves over to adulthood and matures...

lol i cannot believe you said that... lolololol thats rather harsh :p

but one of my close friends, he is canadian born paki and he is like
"id never marry a muslim chick from pakistan, they are all twisted man, indian muslims are so hawt" and then he is like "then i can go to india and pick some really hot hindu chicks" lol

[typeOnegative]

why do u say cholas were perfect leader?The reason I say it is that they ruled baaaaabbieeeeee .... No bull shitting on how peaceful India is etc. etc. Those mofos (okay I am getting emotional) just went ahead and did their thing. I magine them colonizing another country. India an imperialist power. Not like the pansies that sit in Delhi right now. :)


i do not see how that serves the argument? i mean there are still buddhists in existance..... if it was a matter of great concern and really did make a difference to our current lives.. i guess if we had a hindu terrorist groups it might come up :p Word. However, you must realize that the only reason people think about the Muslim invasion etc. is because the wounds of partition have not healed yet.


lol i cannot believe you said that... lolololol thats rather harsh :p

What was? :?


but one of my close friends, he is canadian born paki and he is like
"id never marry a muslim chick from pakistan, they are all twisted man, indian muslims are so hawt" and then he is like "then i can go to india and pick some really hot hindu chicks" lol
Interesting friend. :lol:

[angelique]

The reason I say it is that they ruled baaaaabbieeeeee .... No bull shitting on how peaceful India is etc. etc. Those mofos (okay I am getting emotional) just went ahead and did their thing. I magine them colonizing another country. India an imperialist power. Not like the pansies that sit in Delhi right now. :)


lol i used to think like that when i was younger, but then i guess that is what sets us apart.. we are genuinely nice ppl :p. its something bragworthy u know. ohh my country has never invaded into another country, we are so cool we dont need to travel half way accross the world to get us what we want. :p


Word. However, you must realize that the only reason people think about the Muslim invasion etc. is because the wounds of partition have not healed yet.
and it will not heal, its more political drama, like seriously i am indian, like i have an indian passport, its more of an ego issue that kashmir should not go to pakistan. i mean i really dont care, it wont make a living fucking difference to mine or 90% of th eindian population other than the ego part of it.

What was? :? lol i repeat "I might say that the Indian Muslim is a more balanced person than a Muslim elsewhere."

Interesting friend. :lol:bahaha yea but i wont be surprised if his mom gets him married off to some nice girl in pakistan :p lol it will be hilarious :p

[typeOnegative]

:) We are not exactly nice people, us Indians.

And yeah ... I still think the Indian Muslim is way more balanced. Not like the idiots out in Saudi. :P

[angelique]

we are we are we are!!!
we are the bestestestestestestestest :P
lolol

what was that?
zuno zor se duniya walo
buri nazar na hampe dalo
chaho kitna zor lagalo
sabse aage honge hindustani :P

yea baby
:rockin:
:P

im not gonna agree to the second sentence of urs lol, but yes a lot less rigid than ppl in saudi yes. :P anyways peace out!~

[typeOnegative]

Peace ... :)

[sara khan]

lol man.

Ive said this before:

I dont hate "Muslims". I do hate Muslim extremists, and I hate what the Mughals have done to South Asia (but that is irrelevant).

Overall, I do not hate Muslims, as they are a very varied group.

I *hate* Islam. I do not like the religion at all. To me it is an Arab cult, in which one of its goals is world-wide domination with a Muslim majority (this is a fact).

I also do not like the condescending tone and the overtones of superiority that the religion promotes for Muslims over non-Muslims.

Islam is inherently disrespectfull to peoples of other faiths. We are all potential converts or pawn in this ultimate plan of global domination. It breeds and "us vs them" mentality.

Secondly, I am a proud American. I am also a proud Indian and Hindu. I hate anyone who is anti-American, or anti-Indian/Hindu, and coincidentally, the majority of those people are Muslims.

I can safely say I will never respect nor sympathize with anyone who wishes to see America destroyed or hurt, and I can safely say that alot of Muslims wish this for the USA.

NOW, believe it or not, I have had Muslim friends when I lived in NC. Religion was never an issue, they didnt try to convert me, and kept the religion to themselves. In other words, they werent religious, or they werent religious enough to let it affect me.

ignorence is such a sad thing!!!!!!!!

[Wes]

dude, I have already said I hate Islam because of the religon itself. There is nothing about it that I like.

Just because one learns about a religion or philosophy, does not mean they will like the religion, or even respect it. Take Nazism, for example.

Right on. The Quran sure doesn't respect anything in Hindu culture, it says that Hindus are evil and can't enter heaven without accepting Islam, so why should we respect Islam?

[p i m p]

hey if he wants t hate let him..just don't get bothered by it..if ur muslim ..u know what islam is about..so don't let his comments piss u off

[dopekhor]

err i am not sure what you mean. from what i know the whole tenure of all the muslim rulers were called mughals.

babar..
then
hymanshu (or something like that) and sher shah suri had a tiff..
Akbar
shah jahan
Aurangzeb and shivaji had a tiff..

and then the british came.

they aer all considered mughals.. and barbar was from far west afghanistan.

u know whats funny though.. if u read religious text, gangadhar (now in afghanistan) was then in india, aint that cool?
since when was shivaji a mughal ? :confused:

[dopekhor]

are u fuckin blind? or something? minority? isnt islam the worlds biggest religion?
do u lack a thing called common sence?

[dopekhor]

truthfully speaking history was never my strong point, but i do recall now that u mention it, the name bahadhur shah zafar stands out. and being a rigid hindu i'd like to say Ashoka was a true hindu king.. although akbar was a great emperor...

however, what i was talking about was, the tyranny of when they came, and their barbareous(sp?) acts. i mean its hard to say what india would have turned out otherwise, as they ruled for so many years, but as i said before the south, which remained untouched by the mughal emporars (the cholas, pandavas etc) did not really turn out all that bad.

so in my opinion, juvenile as it may sound, the only cool thing about mughals coming to india is mughali food, and i dont mean that in a funny way, i am actually quite serious as i say that.

and yea my abd about the gandhar gangadhar mixup
Asoka[usO´ku] Pronunciation Key (/pronkey.html), d. c.232 B.C., Indian emperor (c.273–c.232 B.C.) of the Maurya (/encyclopedia/M/Maurya.html) dynasty; grandson of Chandragupta (/encyclopedia/C/Chandrag.html). One of the greatest rulers of ancient India, he brought nearly all India, together with Baluchistan and Afghanistan, under one sway for the first time in history. According to legends, after his bloody conquest (c.261 B.C.) of the state of Kalinga, Asoka was remorseful for the suffering he had inflicted; accepted Buddhism (/encyclopedia/B/Buddhism.html) and abandoned wars of conquest.

[dopekhor]

he never pointed that out. dufus.
what do u understand by the "subcontinent"?

[dopekhor]

no like his son, she spread buddhism, some text says "he sent his son beyond the himalayas, and his daughter, beyond the vast seas"
and i know it was she who spread it to indonesia, mainly because when i went to bali they told me so :/

why do u say cholas were perfect leader?

i do not see how that serves the argument? i mean there are still buddhists in existance..... if it was a matter of great concern and really did make a difference to our current lives.. i guess if we had a hindu terrorist groups it might come up :p


agreed hinduism has come a long way, those were awfully harsh times, in hindu history... i guess every religion goes through this u know... almost like a child.. that turns into an adolescent.. and then moves over to adulthood and matures...

lol i cannot believe you said that... lolololol thats rather harsh :p

but one of my close friends, he is canadian born paki and he is like
"id never marry a muslim chick from pakistan, they are all twisted man, indian muslims are so hawt" and then he is like "then i can go to india and pick some really hot hindu chicks" lol
missy exceptions are not examples.

[adren@line]

(First part directed at adrenaline)
to Adrenaline u always speak shitronics, you’re a dirty racist fascist and well your views are just opinionated. Hinduisms promotes equality and isn't a cult hmmm: so satyr burning

You should read what you write before you start attacking me.

Hinduism never claimed it was perfect, and neither do most Hindus. The caste system does indeed promote inequality, as humans are not equal.

Islam, however, claims to be the beacon of equality when in fact that believer-nonbeliever system is just as bad is not worse than the caste system in Hinduism. A non-believer is treated like crap. The Muslim is always superior, atleast according to Islam. So save your bullsh*t, Muslims have a much worse track-record when it comes to equality and discrimination than Hindus do.

Sati, was only practiced in two northern states and was in response to the Mughal invasions, as they would kill the husbands in battle and capture the women. So these women would have rather died than have been captured by the invading Mughal armies.

So the root of sati lies within the Mughals.


HINDU WIVES PUBLICLY DEVOURED BY DOGS , CANNIBALISM PRACTICED ON HINDU WOMEN, women having to wear white to symbolise they are unclean isn't a devilish cult manufactured from hindusim and it's teaching?.. f it read it all yourself http://www.dalitstan.org/books/gowh/gowh3.html ( can give u more sites if u want arn't i a good samartian. It is disgusting I am speaking as a humanist). Well I’m glad u love America lets face it in India u would have had it hard as an untouchable lolls…No matter what u say at least Islam promotes equality, the catse system again is just a joke. U my friend are a hypocrite if u don’t practice your religion, so i suggest u go o eat up a family member.

You seem to be one of those special types that will believe anything that is anti-American, such as the crap that is F 9/11 or that is anti-Hindu (dalitstan.org).

That site is a load of crap and a half. I will not accept that as a legit source. If you expect me to, than you are an idiot. That is like me using prophetofdoom.net as a legit source for Islam, when it is not. Stop making an idiot of yourself and find a better source for your rhetoric.

[angelique]

since when was shivaji a mughal ? :confused:did i say he was.. i was comparing the reign of probably rulers in india


Asoka[usO´ku] Pronunciation Key (/pronkey.html), d. c.232 B.C., Indian emperor (c.273–c.232 B.C.) of the Maurya (/encyclopedia/M/Maurya.html) dynasty; grandson of Chandragupta (/encyclopedia/C/Chandrag.html). One of the greatest rulers of ancient India, he brought nearly all India, together with Baluchistan and Afghanistan, under one sway for the first time in history. According to legends, after his bloody conquest (c.261 B.C.) of the state of Kalinga, Asoka was remorseful for the suffering he had inflicted; accepted Buddhism (/encyclopedia/B/Buddhism.html) and abandoned wars of conquest.
what made him a good ruler is that only under his reign so much of india was together under one ruler.... and his policies on the governemnt, which were all made while he was still hindu... read the whole thing... i said i am being petty


missy exceptions are not examples.
did i say they were? besides that is an example of an exception. why dont u shut it and come up with worthwhile arguments :arrow:

[adren@line]

You hate pakis. You dislike the idea of that country at the very essence, pakis dont want to be Indian its a sovereign nation and a separate culture, its a culture that glorifies mughal India which you hate, its a culture that writes arabic script instead of the Indian script, you hate that fact too even though you cant write a word in anything but English...you pretty much hate anything that is uniquely paki thats not Indian...you stand against everything that makes a paki proud..you hate pakis, mughals and islam.

"you are this"
"you are that"

Is this annoying writing style of yours the only thing you can use in order to debate? I am TELLING you what I am through reason and logic, yet you keep spitting this idiotic bullshit that does not tie in with any greater chain of logic or discussion.

There is no such thing as a unique Pakistani culture. "Pakistanis" are mostly Indian Muslims, while the others are closer to Afghans.

I dislike "pakistan" as a nation, but it was also a good thing to seperate all of the fundies from the Indian Muslims, who are very sane minded in comparison.

Most patriotic Indians have some, if not many anti-Pakistani sentiments, with differing reasons. That does not mean they hate every Paki.


Im not making things up. I didnt even mention the caste system, you just pulled that out of your ass to divert attention from the point that I was making.

You really are the most daft individual on this site.
You mentioned how I am an Indian Brahmin and wish to remain on top, which is a direct reference to the caste system.

DUH. This is assuming you are using the real definition of Brahmin and not your own, invented definition.

It has nothing to do with any sort of power struggle, as who controls what in India has no bearing on me HERE.


All I said was you want your dogma...to be the supreme dogma of the whole of Desiland...you want everyone to be hindu or at least 95% to be hindu and the rest to be just peculiarities. Thats hindu fundementalism. Dont deny you want that, this is why you hate the mughals cuz they smashed that vision of the brahmans to bits forever. Its all tied to your hatred of islam, mughals and pakis.

LOL LOL LOL.

You seriously are a fucking moron. I cant believe I am tolerating this crap.
READ WHAT I WRITE. I have stated over and over and over that Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists all have legitimate claims in South Asia.

adrenaline posts: I think South Asia belongs to peoples of indegenous faiths.

methodman posts: You think India only belongs to Hindus.

adrenaline: no, did you not read what I wrote?

methodman: You are a Hindu fundie. You are a Brahmin psycho. You hate everyone but Hindus.

adrenaline: didnt you read any of my posts where I stated that I do not hate Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, etc?

methodman: You hate everyone. You are this. You are that. Must. Destroy.Adrenaline. You You You.

[muslimbeauty06]

Omg ppl...lol we r all different religions!And The adreline dude if u hate ISLAM!Islam hates U 2!And in hinduism Come'on u guys pray to monkeys an snakes an trees an cows!!ANd u say our religion is weird Get a life!!I have so much more to say man But ppl will get Butt hurt so bye!!

[adren@line]

Omg ppl...lol we r all different religions!And The adreline dude if u hate ISLAM!Islam hates U 2!And in hinduism Come'on u guys pray to monkeys an snakes an trees an cows!!ANd u say our religion is weird Get a life!!I have so much more to say man But ppl will get Butt hurt so bye!!

damn, you got me there.

[the egyptian god]

dude, I have already said I hate Islam because of the religon itself. There is nothing about it that I like.

Nothing? you dont like the fact that you shold not rais a hand in violence unless agresed upon? (not all follow it but those that dont are not muslim, just like timothy michvegh is not christian)

or you do not like the belife that you should put faigh in god above all things.

or you dont bilive that familly should be respected at all times after god.

or you dont belive that you should anualy give mony to the poverty stricken.

or you dont think the most important thing in the world to do and achive is love of family friends and all others as human beaing in the world.

those are teachings in the religon islam.

[the egyptian god]

Omg ppl...lol we r all different religions!And The adreline dude if u hate ISLAM!Islam hates U 2!And in hinduism Come'on u guys pray to monkeys an snakes an trees an cows!!ANd u say our religion is weird Get a life!!I have so much more to say man But ppl will get Butt hurt so bye!!

first islam dose not hate anyone, and i as a muslim dont hate aren@line even though he pushes my buttun sometimes. second, dont ever spout out things about other peoples religons like you know something about it learn about it first.

And in hinduism Come'on u guys pray to monkeys an snakes an trees an cows!!ANd u say our religion is weird Get a life!!

that was the most disrespectfull thing ever. hindus are a religon of peace as well and have alot of good morals and values involved it is idiocy to say they pray to animals like that you need to find out bout realigons before you talk.

[ChillinG]

are u fucking kidding me?

there are enough muslims, who drink and eat pork, yet pray four times a day. in my opinion, they are smart enough to awknowledge that any restriction made on the diet was due to poor conditions of food back in the day.

to any man not following religion, when he sees
1. women clad in black clothing, while men are free to do as they please
2. women being married off awfully young
3. a man having 4 wives

and countless stories of inequality, one cannot help but think that it must be their religion.


you know what i really dislike about islam, like one thing i am sure the extremists have come up with...
that if you drop gangajal on mecca or medina, then islam would vanish.

that happens to be the most illogical and stupid thing i've ever heard, and i believe it arises from very sincere muslims.

its like saying if one of you were to have a dip in ganga or go visit allahbad or varanasi, hinduism would die.


Angelique, i must confess, i have also heard rumours along those lines.

That if a Hindu pours milk on the black box/stone at Mecca (apologies cos i do not know the proper term for it) then the whole of the Muslim population would be wiped out and this is the reason that you hav to eat beef upon entering the 'arena'

Now, can some1 tell me hw this would happen?? :confused:

[Hydro786]

First and formost, id like u to realize that EVERY strong religious person BELEIVES that their religion is right and if you beleive in soemthing else, ur wrong....that doesnt mean u have to go around disrespecting what others beleive..if u knew islam, ud know that MUSLIMS arent not ONLY allowed to tell you that ur religion is WRONG, but infiltrate hate upon u for ur belifs.....dont judge a religion cuz a few extremist muslims are going around doing stupid things in the name of allah. You hate the moghuls? good job, so do alotta muslims. But what about the hindu's in gujurat.....u see how they treat the muslims? and the states??? as a muslim i'll say F*CK the states....i dont wanna see the US blown outa the ocean, but id LOVE to see the president and ANYONE else involved in them going around to muslim countries and f*ckin it all up. How much sympathy and love would u have for the US if they came into india and completely destroyed the country for their own sucess......and juss as much as i hate the US, I hate britain for what they did to India....how they stripped us completely......and now how they suck on US's Lund.

-My Dho Paise

lol man.

Ive said this before:

I dont hate "Muslims". I do hate Muslim extremists, and I hate what the Mughals have done to South Asia (but that is irrelevant).

Overall, I do not hate Muslims, as they are a very varied group.

I *hate* Islam. I do not like the religion at all. To me it is an Arab cult, in which one of its goals is world-wide domination with a Muslim majority (this is a fact).

I also do not like the condescending tone and the overtones of superiority that the religion promotes for Muslims over non-Muslims.

Islam is inherently disrespectfull to peoples of other faiths. We are all potential converts or pawn in this ultimate plan of global domination. It breeds and "us vs them" mentality.

Secondly, I am a proud American. I am also a proud Indian and Hindu. I hate anyone who is anti-American, or anti-Indian/Hindu, and coincidentally, the majority of those people are Muslims.

I can safely say I will never respect nor sympathize with anyone who wishes to see America destroyed or hurt, and I can safely say that alot of Muslims wish this for the USA.

NOW, believe it or not, I have had Muslim friends when I lived in NC. Religion was never an issue, they didnt try to convert me, and kept the religion to themselves. In other words, they werent religious, or they werent religious enough to let it affect me.

[Hydro786]

And one more thing......for those who say Islam is an "arab cult" id like you to sit and think for a second what you just said.......cuz islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.....which means that it has NO COLOUR OR RACE. Just wanted to add that.

[hco is life]

And one more thing......for those who say Islam is an "arab cult" id like you to sit and think for a second what you just said.......cuz islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.....which means that it has NO COLOUR OR RACE. Just wanted to add that.

Islam is not universal in any way. Its centered in Saudi Arabia and is "highly suggested" that all Muslims learn Arabic to be a Muslim. Sounds very much like an Arab Religion, that claims universality b/c they have convinced a few non-Brown converts to learn Arabic.

[adren@line]

First and formost, id like u to realize that EVERY strong religious person BELEIVES that their religion is right and if you beleive in soemthing else, ur wrong....that doesnt mean u have to go around disrespecting what others beleive..if u knew islam, ud know that MUSLIMS arent not ONLY allowed to tell you that ur religion is WRONG, but infiltrate hate upon u for ur belifs.....dont judge a religion cuz a few extremist muslims are going around doing stupid things in the name of allah. You hate the moghuls? good job, so do alotta muslims. But what about the hindu's in gujurat.....u see how they treat the muslims? and the states??? as a muslim i'll say F*CK the states....i dont wanna see the US blown outa the ocean, but id LOVE to see the president and ANYONE else involved in them going around to muslim countries and f*ckin it all up. How much sympathy and love would u have for the US if they came into india and completely destroyed the country for their own sucess......and juss as much as i hate the US, I hate britain for what they did to India....how they stripped us completely......and now how they suck on US's Lund.

-My Dho Paise

your first statement has already been covered. Only peoples of Abrahamic faiths believe that they are completely right and every one else is wrong. Eastern religions make no such claims.

And I dont know of any Muslims, especially South Asian Muslims, who look at the Mughal invasions in a bad light, since they are the primary reason that most of these people are Muslim.

[adren@line]

Islam is not universal in any way. Its centered in Saudi Arabia and is "highly suggested" that all Muslims learn Arabic to be a Muslim. Sounds very much like an Arab Religion, that claims universality b/c they have convinced a few non-Brown converts to learn Arabic.

ditto. Just because Islam says it is universal doesnt mean it is.

It is completely arab centric, just as Hinduism is Indian centric.

[kurupzion]

your first statement has already been covered. Only peoples of Abrahamic faiths believe that they are completely right and every one else is wrong. Eastern religions make no such claims.

And I dont know of any Muslims, especially South Asian Muslims, who look at the Mughal invasions in a bad light, since they are the primary reason that most of these people are Muslim.

doesnt krishna basically say in the Gita that he is the way for salvation?

[Hydro786]

Islam IS a Universal religion......it is SUGGESTED that ALL muslims learn arabic SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE READING IN ITS TRUE FORM (quran is written in arabic) so you guys are being ignorant.