Marrying your cousin.

[desi_balla63]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?

[illomatic]

depends which cousin.... but most likely... no

rather find a chick i can talk to in english... my urdu is hilarious when u hear me speak it...but my sindhi is better... but still... i wanna talk english to my wife...

[IPunjabi.Blood]

NOPE! not under ANY circumstance's.

[sarb]

i'll pass on that.

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

:Pukel: no, very very wrong :no:

[desi_balla63]

depends which cousin.... but most likely... no

rather find a chick i can talk to in english... my urdu is hilarious when u hear me speak it...but my sindhi is better... but still... i wanna talk english to my wife...

That's the only prob I see too, actually.

But let's say she speaks english, and you're cool. Then?

[vivek_13ad_13oy]

Never

[desi_balla63]

:Pukel: no, very very wrong :no:

Why.

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

Why.
cuz they're yur blood

[desi_balla63]

Never

why.

[illomatic]

That's the only prob I see too, actually.

But let's say she speaks english, and you're cool. Then?

still... she's my cousin

thats like my last resort i guesS?

[desi_balla63]

cuz they're yur blood

Really...

You're a smart one. Why does that matter...elaborate, give me a good ARGUMENT not a :Pukeright.

[desi_balla63]

still... she's my cousin

thats like my last resort i guesS?

But, why.

[IPunjabi.Blood]

That's the only prob I see too, actually.

But let's say she speaks english, and you're cool. Then?

WTF?
I hate to say this, but u act way out of line sometimes. this is a serious matter, so stick to it as if u mean it.

[sensousglitter]

Nothing wrong with it, I've seen it many, many times, and it's no different than a normal marriage, except your aunt/uncle becomes your father/mother in-law, which can sometimes get complicated.
But I wouldn't do it personally because all my cousins are like brothers to me, we've grown-up together, and there are no cousins in mi familia my parents would approve of me getting married to.

[desi_balla63]

WTF?
I hate to say this, but u act way out of line sometimes. this is a serious matter, so stick to it as if u mean it.

I said nothing out of line.

Re-read what I said. He said language was a barrier, I asked if that barrier wasn't there, then would he consider it. How is that out of line. :?

[illomatic]

But, why.

cuz im an american asshole
nah lol

i just wanna have "another" family u know?... like get to know everyone... learn so much shit bout my wife...
have like 2 different families... and stuff... its kinda boring when u know all tha same people but....
if u got a thing for ur cousin, its all good

(i dont)
lol

[Sonward]

My aunt was planning to marry me off to a cousin so she could move to the US...I thought that was kinda wrong.

[IPunjabi.Blood]

I said nothing out of line.

Re-read what I said. He said language was a barrier, I asked if that barrier wasn't there, then would he consider it. How is that out of line. :?

My bad! :confused:

[desi_balla63]

cuz im an american asshole
nah lol

i just wanna have "another" family u know?... like get to know everyone... learn so much shit bout my wife...
have like 2 different families... and stuff... its kinda boring when u know all tha same people but....
if u got a thing for ur cousin, its all good

(i dont)
lol

lol, damn you were doing so good till the end, man.

Na, I never said I did. I don't see why peopel get there panties all wedgied up over it, it's a non-issue. If people wanna do it, so be it.

You're right about the meeting people shit though, that should be part of it. Making a new family, new people, new friends. :yes:

[sensousglitter]

My aunt was planning to marry me off to a cousin so she could move to the US...I thought that was kinda wrong.
Now that's just wrong. But it happens alot too. :?

[Sonward]

Now that's just wrong. But it happens alot too. :?

Yeah I know...there are other ways to become a citizen though...

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

Really...
You're a smart one. Why does that matter...elaborate, give me a good ARGUMENT not a :Pukeright.
well yu cud end up wid bad genes in your family through incest, such as heart diseases will be more likey to pass in yur family, brain diseases and all da other stuff. and secondly im against it on da basis dat itz jus against what ive been raised, i meanto some people it mite be ok but my family and i dont see incest as a good thing

[illomatic]

lol, damn you were doing so good till the end, man.

Na, I never said I did. I don't see why peopel get there panties all wedgied up over it, it's a non-issue. If people wanna do it, so be it.

You're right about the meeting people shit though, that should be part of it. Making a new family, new people, new friends. :yes:

wasnt talking bout u... im saying anyone in general...
i dont think its a issue at all ... i give props to whoever does marries their cousin... cuz you get mad b.s. bout it so ..... :applause: to whoever

and yea

i wanna have the tighest, emotional/physical/mental bond with my wife

[sensousglitter]

well yu cud end up wid bad genes in your family through incest, such as heart diseases will be more likey to pass in yur family, brain diseases and all da other stuff. and secondly im against it on da basis dat itz jus against what ive been raised, i meanto some people it mite be ok but my family and i dont see incest as a good thing
it's not incest. and no, you do not have genetically abnormal kids.

[desi_balla63]

well yu cud end up wid bad genes in your family through incest, such as heart diseases will be more likey to pass in yur family, brain diseases and all da other stuff. and secondly im against it on da basis dat itz jus against what ive been raised, i meanto some people it mite be ok but my family and i dont see incest as a good thing

"Incest" is a concept socialized into you as you grew up, I'm guessing in the states. The 'bad genes' argument isn't true, look it up. And don't talk about how you were raised implying my parents did a poor job.

[sensousglitter]

"Incest" is a concept socialized into you as you grew up, I'm guessing in the states. The 'bad genes' argument isn't true, look it up. And don't talk about how you were raised implying my parents did a poor job.
oye chico, que pasa??
hablas conmigo damnit.

[desi_balla63]

wasnt talking bout u... im saying anyone in general...
i dont think its a issue at all ... i give props to whoever does marries their cousin... cuz you get mad b.s. bout it so ..... :applause: to whoever

and yea

i wanna have the tighest, emotional/physical/mental bond with my wife

I want my wife to be a sex :cat:.

Well not just that, but it'd be nice ...

[illomatic]

I want my wife to be a sex :cat:.

Well not just that, but it'd be nice ...

me too lol, mee tooo

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

"Incest" is a concept socialized into you as you grew up, I'm guessing in the states. The 'bad genes' argument isn't true, look it up. And don't talk about how you were raised implying my parents did a poor job.
i never said what yur parents taught yu was wrong mang, i said dat i was raised to believe it was bad, ders nothing in what i said dat implies what yur parents taught yu was wrong so quit tryin to start shit :mad:

[illomatic]

goodnite FoCkersss

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

oh n if incest goes through a family long enough im sure it will have negative affects

[sensousglitter]

it's not working :(

[illomatic]

oh n if incest goes through a family long enough im sure it will have negative affects

but sir... that is not incest... when u marry your cousin....

incest: sexual intercourse between persons too closely related to marry (as between a parent and a child)

cousins... are distant enuff to fuck (lol that sounded so wrong)

[desi_balla63]

but sir... that is not incest... when u marry your cousin....

incest: sexual intercourse between persons too closely related to marry (as between a parent and a child)

cousins... are distant enuff to fuck (lol that sounded so wrong)

:applause: G'nite bro.

[rubayath]

if my parents told me to marry one of my cosin I'd havt to do it..

there pretty tho..

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

but sir... that is not incest... when u marry your cousin....

incest: sexual intercourse between persons too closely related to marry (as between a parent and a child)

cousins... are distant enuff to fuck (lol that sounded so wrong)

incest:
1.Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.
2. The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative.
i do believe when a quarter of someones genes match yur genes that should be cloe enough

[illomatic]

:applause: G'nite bro.

latas

[illomatic]

incest:
1.Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.
2. The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative.
i do believe when a quarter of someones genes match yur genes that should be cloe enough

is it illegal?
nope
thanks, well my swell pal, it is time for me to resign for the night.

I will be getting in contact with you tommorow hopefully, if all's well.

So, I do indeed hope you have a blast tonight. Enjoy, Have a splendid sleep session.

[BC_Broad]

it's not incest. and no, you do not have genetically abnormal kids.

its DEFINITELY not something a genetic counsellor would advise and it could increase your chances of having messed up children (or their children).

lastly, i would NEVER do it.

[Arjuna]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?thats compeltly wrong and unethical, your biologically and genetically prone to have retarded and unhealthy kids if u mate incestiously.. besides marrying ur cousins is like marrying ur sister :Pukeright:

[desi_balla63]

its DEFINITELY not something a genetic counsellor would advise and it could increase your chances of having messed up children (or their children).

lastly, i would NEVER do it.

And your physician wouldn't advise you to have Big Mac's for lunch.

[sensousglitter]

its DEFINITELY not something a genetic counsellor would advise and it could increase your chances of having messed up children (or their children).

lastly, i would NEVER do it.
popular beliefs cause us to think that way.
the chances increase by a mere 2-3%

[BC_Broad]

it definitely has an effect on genetics because if a family keeps doing it, you're only narrowing your gene pool...even a second or third cousin could be succeptible to it.

[illomatic]

thats compeltly wrong and unethical, your biologically and genetically prone to have retarded and unhealthy kids if u mate incestiously.. besides marrying ur cousins is like marrying ur sister :Pukeright:

no.. its like marrying ur moms niece

i havent hear anythin wrong with the kids who have parent-cousins
have u?
thanksssssssss good nite dear

[BC_Broad]

popular beliefs cause us to think that way.
the chances increase by a mere 2-3%

well, its actually scientific fact and not popular belief. either way, i would never risk that 2-3%.

[BC_Broad]

And your physician wouldn't advise you to have Big Mac's for lunch.

big mac's wouldn't lead to turner's syndrome...

[desi_balla63]

well, its actually scientific fact and not popular belief. either way, i would never risk that 2-3%.

Laying on your stomach while you're pregnant has more of a chance of causing harm. I think people raised here have this like, knee-jerk when you hear the word incest. :?

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

big mac's wouldn't lead to turner's syndrome...
well i atleast i wasnt too wrong with my statement :?

[desi_balla63]

big mac's wouldn't lead to turner's syndrome...

How much more likely is a baby born from inter-cousin marriage to get Turner syndrome...

[Arjuna]

but sir... that is not incest... when u marry your cousin....
cousins... are distant enuff to fuck (lol that sounded so wrong)
whoever told u that, lied.

incest can go upto ur 4th cousin..

to every1 argue with facts not wut ur friends/parents/fantasy told u

[sensousglitter]

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/columns/fl.grossman.incest.04.09/

although your chances of getting a genetic disease which runs in the family is slighly heightened, it's not certain it will be passed on.

[BC_Broad]

having a baby with genetic defects by CHANCE is a lot different from having a baby knowing the there is a huge CHANCE that it will have a genetic defect. you are playing with the child's future and its selfish if you ask me.

[Arjuna]

no.. its like marrying ur moms niece

i havent hear anythin wrong with the kids who have parent-cousins
have u?
thanksssssssss good nite dear
dude i think its about time u look up on the worlds royal families.. incest did a lot of damage on them especially the english monarchy..

[sensousglitter]

"Studies of first cousin offspring show that there is a 6 to 8 percent chance that the child will have a birth defect, in contrast to the 3 to 4 percent rate of birth defects in children born of couples who don't share a common grandparent."

[BC_Broad]

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/columns/fl.grossman.incest.04.09/

although your chances of getting a genetic disease which runs in the family is slighly heightened, it's not certain it will be passed on.

the fact is that the parents know about the chances but, selfishly, continue to conceive a child. that's the point...they're playing russian roulette with the kid's health.

[desi_balla63]

the fact is that the parents know about the chances but, selfishly, continue to conceive a child. that's the point...they're playing russian roulette with the kid's health.

Verin, could you give me some stats, or a link, or anything.

I honestly want to know, non-biased.

[sensousglitter]

"Studies of first cousin offspring show that there is a 6 to 8 percent chance that the child will have a birth defect, in contrast to the 3 to 4 percent rate of birth defects in children born of couples who don't share a common grandparent."
STATS damnit!

[BC_Broad]

Verin, could you give me some stats, or a link, or anything.

I honestly want to know, non-biased.

i just took genetic analysis last semester...i wish i could mail you my text. let me see if the notes are still on the net.

[Arjuna]

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/columns/fl.grossman.incest.04.09/

although your chances of getting a genetic disease which runs in the family is slighly heightened, it's not certain it will be passed on.
thats diguesting suporting incest is like supporting rape.. if there is a genetic diesease the chances ARE HIGH and i mean 3 out of 4 chances of becoming retarded,disabled or other birth defects.. ive taken biology and if uve taken it u shud know too

[illomatic]

dude i think its about time u look up on the worlds royal families.. incest did a lot of damage on them especially the english monarchy..

thats cuz their dumb..... lol nah

but i dont see nothing wrong with cousin marriages... tahts what this arguement is about....

[BC_Broad]

STATS damnit!

stats aren't always right and you're still missing the point. people that KNOW that there is a CHANCE of having a child with a genetic defect are being selfish. atleast two, non-related parents can't be blamed for knowing about the heightened chance, regardless of the percent, and still having a child with genetic defects.

[jay_uk_geezer]

NO WAY MAN i would never do that how can you treat someone like a sister (cousin) all your life then end up marrying them sorry thats wrong in my book

[Arjuna]

thats cuz their dumb..... lol nah

but i dont see nothing wrong with cousin marriages... tahts what this arguement is about....
dude look up the family tree of the english monarchy 75% of the family died from bad genetics via incestuous birth.. because of that Queen Elizabeth was the first 'ultimate queen' cuz theyre wasnt any other suitable male in the family

[BC_Broad]

i'm not being insensitive with this link but it pretty much has all the info i'm trying to prove to you. yes, there may be a smaller chance as the relationship between cousins widens, but there is still a greater chance than marrying a non-cousin...that's the whole point.

http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/genome/geneticsandsociety/hg14f005.html

[desi_balla63]

thats diguesting suporting incest is like supporting rape.. if there is a genetic diesease the chances ARE HIGH and i mean 3 out of 4 chances of becoming retarded,disabled or other birth defects.. ive taken biology and if uve taken it u shud know too

Arjuna,

What are the chances of a cousin-cousin marriage baby being retarded.

[Arjuna]

i'm not being insensitive with this link but it pretty much has all the info i'm trying to prove to you. yes, there may be a smaller chance as the relationship between cousins widens, but there is still a greater chance than marrying a non-cousin...that's the whole point.

http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/genome/geneticsandsociety/hg14f005.html
ur not being insensitive ur using logics and sometimes truth hurts.. i cant belive ppl actully have incest marrages.. wow thats shocking

[BC_Broad]

ur not being insensitive ur using logics and sometimes truth hurts.. i cant belive ppl actully have incest marrages.. wow thats shocking

i know i'm not but i thought some might get offended by the pakistani thing.

[Arjuna]

here's more to wut happen when u inter-marry

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:-BquOblMX0EJ:www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/heads/footnotes/disease04.html+english+monarchy+genetic&hl=en

[Arjuna]

Arjuna,

What are the chances of a cousin-cousin marriage baby being retarded.
depends on ur entire line goes allthe way back to ur great great great grand parents.. if they had anything.. its quite likly ur child might get it.. its very risky id say :?

[BC_Broad]

its like the egyptian pharoahs...they all inter-bred but the genetic defects didn't appear for a little over three hundred years.

[Cunard]

why would u inter-marry in the family when u dont have too?

its like walking across a freeway blindfolded....why would u do it?

[Arjuna]

its like the egyptian pharoahs...they all inter-bred but the genetic defects didn't appear for a little over three hundred years.
most of the english monarch died off because of interbreeding so they were forced to look at other eruopeon nations such as france, germany, denmark etc

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

i still cant believe there is a discussion bout dis

[Arjuna]

i still cant believe there is a discussion bout dis
same here im shocked i thought this thing was stopped in the 1800's at the latest

[Cunard]

i still cant believe there is a discussion bout dis

lol

[desi_balla63]

Verin,

I'm still reading, but I was trying to get to the facts. And the first fact/stat in it was that the risk of a baby with some sorta disorder goes up 2%, from 2, up to 4%.

That's not really an outrage...

[desi_balla63]

same here im shocked i thought this thing was stopped in the 1800's at the latest

Are you desi?

Do you know anyone who's desi?

Tell you what, my cousin married her cousin, less than 2 years ago. What are you trying to say?

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

Verin,

I'm still reading, but I was trying to get to the facts. And the first fact/stat in it was that the risk of a baby with some sorta disorder goes up 2%, from 2, up to 4%.

That's not really an outrage...
so yur willing to add a 2% chance to yur kid havin some birth or genetic defect?

[IPunjabi.Blood]

So whats outcome?

[desi_balla63]

so yur willing to add a 2% chance to yur kid havin some birth or genetic defect?

I'm saying, it's not as bad as it's made out to be.

Other things are equally bad, if not worse. If it's in your family custom to do it, and you do, you shouldn't be ostracised (ok I hope you used that right) for it. Especially by ignorant people who don't know what they're talking about.

[Arjuna]

Verin,

I'm still reading, but I was trying to get to the facts. And the first fact/stat in it was that the risk of a baby with some sorta disorder goes up 2%, from 2, up to 4%.

That's not really an outrage...
dude if any1 in ur family had a genetic problem chances are it will get concetrated and will show up in ur child

all u need is another partner who carries the same genes either dominantly or recessivly.. either way it will produced a dieseased kid with 3 out 4 chances and thats pretty scarry

[desi_balla63]

So whats outcome?

Lesson learnt: Don't make threads on subjects your emotionally embedded into, you'll get hurt when people attack your beliefs.

[Arjuna]

Are you desi?

Do you know anyone who's desi?

Tell you what, my cousin married her cousin, less than 2 years ago. What are you trying to say?
it doesnt happen to any1 i know

[BC_Broad]

Verin,

I'm still reading, but I was trying to get to the facts. And the first fact/stat in it was that the risk of a baby with some sorta disorder goes up 2%, from 2, up to 4%.

That's not really an outrage...

for someone that is going into pediatrics, its an outrage because you're playing with your child's future. that's just a general percent...not everyone is going to have it the same. for example, lets look at contraceptives...the percent of them working properly decreases depending on your lifestyle. these stats were probably taken from healthy, normal families that follow strict diets, no other family/personal medical history problems, non-smokers, non-drinkers and active people. basically, what i'm trying to say is that with cousin-cousin marriages, you know there's a chance for a defect yet you still conceive. do you see the difference?

[desi_balla63]

dude if any1 in ur family had a genetic problem chances are it will get concetrated and will show up in ur child

all u need is another partner who carries the same genes either dominantly or recessivly.. either way it will produced a dieseased kid with 3 out 4 chances and thats pretty scarry

3 out of 4. That's a big number. You mean IF one person has the disorder, and IF the person they marry has the same thing, then MAYBE there's a 75% chance of the baby getting it.

I've said it before, what does that mean about a guy with diabetes, should my dad have avoided marrying a girl who had, or was prone to getting, it. Or shoudl he be villafied?

I don't see the argument.

[desi_balla63]

it doesnt happen to any1 i know

You dont' knwo very many indian/pakistani people then.

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

I'm saying, it's not as bad as it's made out to be.
Other things are equally bad, if not worse. If it's in your family custom to do it, and you do, you shouldn't be ostracised (ok I hope you used that right) for it. Especially by ignorant people who don't know what they're talking about.
ostracised: Avoid speaking to or dealing with
Expel from a community or group
in todays modern times and the country you live in marriages of such close nature have been looked upon as taboo and deemed bad, for some people it might be ok, but with the majority of the people in this country itz wrong.

[Arjuna]

Lesson learnt: Don't make threads on subjects your emotionally embedded into, you'll get hurt when people attack your beliefs.
this isnt about morals this is about science.. it dosnt add up i cud go into detal but u wudnt get it


however my explaining has a lot to do with this


http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/genes/who_am_i/inheriting_genes/dominating_genes.shtml


acording to that pea pod one was wrinkled.. assume that ur diesed ancestor.. now if u were to marry a person within ur family with that same ancestor chances are ur gambling high stakes

[desi_balla63]

for someone that is going into pediatrics, its an outrage because you're playing with your child's future. that's just a general percent...not everyone is going to have it the same. for example, lets look at contraceptives...the percent of them working properly decreases depending on your lifestyle. these stats were probably taken from healthy, normal families that follow strict diets, no other family/personal medical history problems, non-smokers, non-drinkers and active people. basically, what i'm trying to say is that with cousin-cousin marriages, you know there's a chance for a defect yet you still conceive. do you see the difference?

If that's how they sample, then I'd quesiton the validity of the rest of the article. Are you saying it could be higher than 4%?

[Arjuna]

3 out of 4. That's a big number. You mean IF one person has the disorder, and IF the person they marry has the same thing, then MAYBE there's a 75% chance of the baby getting it.

I've said it before, what does that mean about a guy with diabetes, should my dad have avoided marrying a girl who had, or was prone to getting, it. Or shoudl he be villafied?

I don't see the argument.
the diesease dosnt have to be visble to know if ur bride is clean or not .. the only way is too look up the family history as she cud easily be carreir of the diesease gene which wud concentrate if u too happen to be a carreir

[Arjuna]

You dont' knwo very many indian/pakistani people then.
i know a lot in india and none of em do it.. maybe its only a minority that interbreed

[desi_balla63]

the diesease dosnt have to be visble to know if ur bride is clean or not .. the only way is too look up the family history as she cud easily be carreir of the diesease gene which wud concentrate if u too happen to be a carreir

I'm aware what a carrier is.

:( Fudge it, I just wanted some input and got it. Thanks man, I didn't mean to get all bitchy. Same to you Verin.

It's a touchy subject for me tho, for certain reasons ... :blahblah: ...

[BC_Broad]

3 out of 4. That's a big number. You mean IF one person has the disorder, and IF the person they marry has the same thing, then MAYBE there's a 75% chance of the baby getting it.

I've said it before, what does that mean about a guy with diabetes, should my dad have avoided marrying a girl who had, or was prone to getting, it. Or shoudl he be villafied?

I don't see the argument.

only type I diabetes is genetic. some genetic disorders are sex-linked and skip generations so there is no telling who and when it can be inherited.

[desi_balla63]

i know a lot in india and none of em do it.. maybe its only a minority that interbreed

Maybe Pakistan is a incest haven.

[IPunjabi.Blood]

Aniq, im glad that you brought this subject up. Any degree of risk is a risk. And for the sake of ur kids you should never look pass 'em. Every possibility/option has to be considered before taking a step in something your not totally clear about.

[BC_Broad]

i wasn't attacking you, aniq...just stating what i know. :)

[Arjuna]

Maybe Pakistan is a incest haven.
thats not right ur scientifically threathening ur future generations

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

Maybe Pakistan is a incest haven.
:no:

[Arjuna]

i wasn't attacking you, aniq...just stating what i know. :)
same here, wut im talking is hard cold facts

[desi_balla63]

thats not right ur scientifically threathening ur future generations

Meri zabaan meri cheek mai hai, khotay.

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

Maybe Pakistan is a incest haven.
Freud said that incest provokes horror because it touches upon our forbidden, ambivalent emotions towards members of our close family. This ambivalence covers both aggression towards other members (forbidden and punishable) and (sexual) attraction to them (doubly forbidden and punishable).

[desi_balla63]

Aniq, im glad that you brought this subject up. Any degree of risk is a risk. And for the sake of ur kids you should never look pass 'em. Every possibility/option has to be considered before taking a step in something your not totally clear about.

Thanks, guy.

That's what I was trying to do actually. It helped, Verin and Mini-me had alot of decent stuff.

[IPunjabi.Blood]

Thanks, guy.

That's what I was trying to do actually. It helped, Verin and Mini-me had alot of decent stuff.

with that said. are ur parents forcing u to marry one of ur cousins?

[FTJfag]

Depends how hot she was!!!!!!

[Cunard]

u know i was just thinking....since "marrying your cousin" has been done for thousands of years in pakistan and that part of the world, its not like everyone there is retarded or somthing, everyone seems to be doing fine.

if it comes down to it and you marry your cousin, and your both happy, why should i complain? if your happy, im happy :)

[desi_balla63]

with that said. are ur parents forcing u to marry one of ur cousins?

Jay, tenu nai pata, aisee gulaan aisa jagaan dai vich nai kardai. Khotay.

[IPunjabi.Blood]

u know i was just thinking....since "marrying your cousin" has been done for thousands of years in pakistan and that part of the world, its not like everyone there is retarded or somthing, everyone seems to be doing fine.

if it comes down to it and you marry your cousin, and your both happy, why should i complain? if your happy, im happy :)

that was gonna be my next question, so has there been cases in Pakistan history, related to what we just discussed?

[desi_balla63]

u know i was just thinking....since "marrying your cousin" has been done for thousands of years in pakistan and that part of the world, its not like everyone there is retarded or somthing, everyone seems to be doing fine.

if it comes down to it and you marry your cousin, and your both happy, why should i complain? if your happy, im happy :)

I was wondering that too.

But, if you read the link Verin posted, it does mention how desi kids have a higher rate of a whole list of shit, so I'm guessing there might be a correlation.

That, and those fucking oil filled parathas. :dribble:

[IPunjabi.Blood]

Jay, tenu nai pata, aisee gulaan aisa jagaan dai vich nai kardai. Khotay.


LOL! True. Was just testing you. Im proud of you.

[desi_balla63]

that was gonna be my next question, so has there been cases in Pakistan history, related to what we just discussed?

Not on a mass level.

But if you look at it closer, you might see the Paki police force is slightly retarded. I mean, if not realizing how corruption and accepting bribes ruins your country isn't some of mental inadequacy, I dont' know what is. :rolleyes:

[FTJfag]

Man, if your cousin is hot, marry her, and fuck her brains out 24/7, and eat laddoos together!

You have my support. Which ultimately is better than anyone else's.

[desi_balla63]

Man, if your cousin is hot, marry her, and fuck her brains out 24/7, and eat laddoos together!

You have my support. Which ultimately is better than anyone else's.

Agreed, fag. ;)

[Cunard]

I was wondering that too.

But, if you read the link Verin posted, it does mention how desi kids have a higher rate of a whole list of shit, so I'm guessing there might be a correlation.

That, and those fucking oil filled parathas. :dribble:

u also gotta remember that the environment of that part of the world is also quite un healthy compared to here, im assuming that must play a part too in the health of desis

besides, the avg desi is smarter than the avg white guy :wink:

[Cunard]

Not on a mass level.

But if you look at it closer, you might see the Paki police force is slightly retarded. I mean, if not realizing how corruption and accepting bribes ruins your country isn't some of mental inadequacy, I dont' know what is. :rolleyes:

the indian police is even more corrupted lol, perhaps they eat more buttery parathas than there pakistani counterparts haha

[FTJfag]

I'd like to feed you a laddoo on your wedding day =/

[desi_balla63]

u also gotta remember that the environment of that part of the world is also quite un healthy compared to here, im assuming that must play a part too in the health of desis

besides, the avg desi is smarter than the avg white guy :wink:

True.

I think it's hella hard to do a study on something like this. I mean if you study american desi's, than you have to take into account most of them were raised to think inter-cousin marriage was bad. And if you look at paki/indian desi's, you have to take into account the living conditions there.

Either way... :Paper:

[desi_balla63]

I'd like to feed you a laddoo on your wedding day =/

I'd like to accidently lick your finger as you do.

[IPunjabi.Blood]

I'd like to feed you a laddoo on your wedding day =/

LOL! You can feed him a whole lot.

[jay_uk_geezer]

LOL

hey peeps it's wrong man how could anybody even contemplate it? Okay i know in some religions you are allowed more than 1 wife (which i totally disagree against by the way) But marrying your own cousin that is gross man,

[IPunjabi.Blood]

LOL

hey peeps it's wrong man how could anybody even contemplate it? Okay i know in some religions you are allowed more than 1 wife (which i totally disagree against by the way) But marrying your own cousin that is gross man,

talk about catching the late bus. :confused:

[Cunard]

lol

[desi_balla63]

LOL

hey peeps it's wrong man how could anybody even contemplate it? Okay i know in some religions you are allowed more than 1 wife (which i totally disagree against by the way) But marrying your own cousin that is gross man,

What's grosser, that ... or smooching with an animal that doesn't bathe and eats other animals uncooked for its entire life. :?

[IPunjabi.Blood]

Not on a mass level.

But if you look at it closer, you might see the Paki police force is slightly retarded. I mean, if not realizing how corruption and accepting bribes ruins your country isn't some of mental inadequacy, I dont' know what is. :rolleyes:

spoketh with such level of confidence. bravo!

[-superman-]

Its Your Aunts Daugther/Son Ewww Ness

[FTJfag]

LOL

hey peeps it's wrong man how could anybody even contemplate it?

His cousin looks like that.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:QGaqWCAKQQkJ:bz.berlin1.de/aktuell/news/040311/Leute.8GAL0EF/1_normal.jpg

[IPunjabi.Blood]

What's grosser, that ... or smooching with an animal that doesn't bathe and eats other animals uncooked for its entire life. :?

now we gettin somewhere. :confused:

[desi_balla63]

His cousin looks like that.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:QGaqWCAKQQkJ:bz.berlin1.de/aktuell/news/040311/Leute.8GAL0EF/1_normal.jpg

:o That could turn a disordered man ordered.

[IPunjabi.Blood]

Its Your Aunts Daugther/brother Ewww Ness

ur sig is off the hezzy!

[ÖµÖµ_ssxman]

Its Your Aunts Daugther/Son Ewww Ness
:mrgreen:

[jay_uk_geezer]

Desi Balla thats funny man!! Okay peeps how do i change my picture? lol

[reaz]

LOL. i am ok with it. it's not incest. incest is a rather subjective issue. some one mentioned it's ok beyond 4th cousin? why so?

at this day and age i wouldnt do a cousin marriage but i am ok with those who have. i do not find it repulsive.

[Aurovon]

pussy is pussy

[FTJfag]

pussy is pussy

I've been spitting those lyrics, gee.
Why are those other dawgs trippin'?
It ain't cool.
Whatever gets the job done as far as i'm concerned,
I ain't about to disrepect NO pussy,
cousin or no cousin!

Play on, player.

[ali_sakur]

it's not incest. and no, you do not have genetically abnormal kids.

It definitely is incest

[miss_qupid]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?
Why would it be wrong? There are so many variables that may need to be considered, whether its your first cousin, if you’ve grown up with them or not etc……
Mr brother is married to my cousin and it was love marriage, I don’t see anything wrong with it….

[caramelcutie15]

ok well basically it's that they are your cousin.. u consider them in a brotherly/sisterly way..and all of a sudden ur marrying them?? i mean yea they're your blood..but i'm more disturbed with the fact u have seen them in family love kids of way..and that's just plain gross. from calling them brother..to hiii sweetie. ew

[miss_qupid]

ok well basically it's that they are your cousin.. u consider them in a brotherly/sisterly way..and all of a sudden ur marrying them?? i mean yea they're your blood..but i'm more disturbed with the fact u have seen them in family love kids of way..and that's just plain gross. from calling them brother..to hiii sweetie. ew
as i sed alot of variables do need to be considered. But how many of u are actually gana be Forced against your will?

[Teri Pyari Kiran]

mah mom n mah dad r cuzins but not first cuzins their very distant cousins but their marriage wuz arranged so i really didnt think she cared so much but i think its just wrong marry your own blood

[amarz]

desi balla... you still be spittin?

[Arjuna]

Meri zabaan meri cheek mai hai, khotay.
english plz :arrow:

[Arjuna]

u know i was just thinking....since "marrying your cousin" has been done for thousands of years in pakistan and that part of the world, its not like everyone there is retarded or somthing, everyone seems to be doing fine.

if it comes down to it and you marry your cousin, and your both happy, why should i complain? if your happy, im happy :)
just becuase you havnt heard of it, it dosnt mean it dosnt happen.. incestous breeding in EVERY animal and plant have always resulted in unheathier and weaker specimens..not nesccarily deformed always sure it might not be evident at first but give it time and it will be.. its quite a garantee even a cattle farmer with will tell you

[yankelicious]

i think we have enough men and women..and dont need to go marrying our cousins..thats nastiness...i mean u treat thm like a brother suddenly..they become ur partner..thats fukd..
whats even more gross is whn u have a cousin ..and he fukn slaps ur ass and plays with ur hair..i think tht put me off more...grossness

[pnp366]

its not WRONG.


if the cousins didnt growup like brother and sister, then its not wrong.

and why not?

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

u know its sick to me just bc my cousins even the ones i dont talk to are still somewhat like a brother and sister to me....

my cousins on my moms side i would die for in a brotherly sisterly way...how can u look at ur cousin with lust in ur eyes? its sooo redneck man

also ppl tell me ohh well we weren't raised together i was like so what u can't find another hottie back home theres a million just waiting dude ...i noticed a lot of guys willingly do this.

my dad says ppl do it to keep family money and business and secrets in the family but still that's GROSS man maybe desi families need to work on communication so that there aren't many secrets to hide.

[pnp366]

look, in america its harder to marry you cousin, cause they are more like your brother sister, but back home, b/c you end up living in nuclear families, with uncles and aunties all in the same house, its sooo much easier to marry a cousin, makes life sooo much easier,

im for it, if you can do it and feel comfortable, go for it.

i wouldnt, all my cousins feel like brotheres to me, so its not happening, but i have friends who have, theyre happy,

why not?

[chunky]

look, in america its harder to marry you cousin, cause they are more like your brother sister, but back home, b/c you end up living in nuclear families, with uncles and aunties all in the same house, its sooo much easier to marry a cousin, makes life sooo much easier,

im for it, if you can do it and feel comfortable, go for it.

i wouldnt, all my cousins feel like brotheres to me, so its not happening, but i have friends who have, theyre happy,

why not?

I knew you sounded a little inbred on the chat last night. http://www.hondalife.com/~chunky/squint.gif

[pnp366]

I knew you sounded a little inbred on the chat last night. http://www.hondalife.com/~chunky/squint.gif
youre SOOO gay

[yankelicious]

i dunno for some religions they allow it but i think we sindhis dun intermarry...aah u look at thm like ur brothers..marrying thm is outta the question

[sexii mamii 2nv]

ewwww wdf its so sick....... marrying your cusin is like fuking yo mother... and people who do it... they fukin sick......... :mad:

[ektubaby]

when you grow up thinking of someone as your brother, you cant just wake up one day and be like "ok, lets have sex now". i know i would never be able to do it.

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

look, in america its harder to marry you cousin, cause they are more like your brother sister, but back home, b/c you end up living in nuclear families, with uncles and aunties all in the same house, its sooo much easier to marry a cousin, makes life sooo much easier,



that makes no sense if u live in a home under one roof with ur uncles and aunties then u are raised with their kids as if they were ur brothers and sisters..how can u marry that ,...how is that easier?

[paulie walnuts]

there are 2 main issues involved:

1) indisputable scientific evidence that consanguineous (inter-cousin) breeding increases the chances of genetic defects or susceptibility to diseases.

2) the same logic that applies to not marrying a sister. many people are very close with their first cousins, and marrying a first cousin would be similar to marrying a sister. and this, needless to say, is disgusting. however, this would not apply to people who barely know their first cousin (often Pakis in the West marry first cousins they don't even know).

somebody asked about the Pakistani population and defects, etc.

it is more difficult to see the results in such a large populace, but they become VERY apparent when looking at the Parsi community in India and Pakistan, which is a very small community of only about 100,000. Parsis are fiercely clannish and protect their pure Parsi genes with great conviction. They have been heavily involved in cousin-marriages and mental retardation and genetic weakness is running rampant throughout the community. This is a perfect example of the dangers of incestual breeding.

[pnp366]

that makes no sense if u live in a home under one roof with ur uncles and aunties then u are raised with their kids as if they were ur brothers and sisters..how can u marry that ,...how is that easier?

no im not saying that, thats gross, even more brother and sister that way

but like, if your cousin comes and lives with you, meshing with the family will be easier than a total stranger right?

[SholaShabnam]

depends which cousin.... but most likely... no

rather find a chick i can talk to in english... my urdu is hilarious when u hear me speak it...but my sindhi is better... but still... i wanna talk english to my wife...
so your cousins don't speak english? dont u have cousins that live in umreeka?

[SholaShabnam]

there are 2 main issues involved:

1) indisputable scientific evidence that consanguineous (inter-cousin) breeding increases the chances of genetic defects or susceptibility to diseases.

2) the same logic that applies to not marrying a sister. many people are very close with their first cousins, and marrying a first cousin would be similar to marrying a sister. and this, needless to say, is disgusting. however, this would not apply to people who barely know their first cousin (often Pakis in the West marry first cousins they don't even know).

somebody asked about the Pakistani population and defects, etc.

it is more difficult to see the results in such a large populace, but they become VERY apparent when looking at the Parsi community in India and Pakistan, which is a very small community of only about 100,000. Parsis are fiercely clannish and protect their pure Parsi genes with great conviction. They have been heavily involved in cousin-marriages and mental retardation and genetic weakness is running rampant throughout the community. This is a perfect example of the dangers of incestual breeding.

dont you think the chances of disease are the same with all marriages
look at aids
but yea i agree if you barely know the cousin i don't think it's weird to marry them

[Fatty4life]

no, I've been raised to see cousins (by blood OR marriage) as brothers.

[indianchick87]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?
HELL NO
:Pukel:

[DJDaNGeR]

man thats disgusting...to who all that say that desis back home marry their cousins, its very very rare in india (i dunno bout pak, bangladesh). again, there is a risk of getting genetic deformities due to gene pooling. this is a scientific fact. now i dont know about the exact stats (although someone mentioned like 8% here). Now would u marry ur sister too and argue that there is only 8% chance of conceiving a child with genetic problems?

[DJDaNGeR]

pussy is pussy
not to sound disgusting or flame, but then do u even consider ur mom or grandmom (as per ur statement)

[Ac89]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?

the genetic implications that can arise and the more likely of a mutation to arise, should u marry your cousin or any family member, is something I don't really want to test.
It's unbelievably stupid to marry your own cousin.
No way would i ever do it

[ektubaby]

i found this on another forum

I think that there are many advantages to marrying ur cousin!
Firstly, u get rid of the in-law problem, cos they already love u, so there will be no amenosity, or the usual problems between in laws.
Secondly, u'll have the first and loyal love of family...so there's a guarantee that they will care for u even more!
thirdly, u'l have similar up-bringing, so u'l see eye-to-eye in various issues, such as raising kids

The only time wen it'd be weird is if u were bought up livng together like brother and sister...but if u were bought up in like different countries, or u didnt grow up together, u'd still have all the advantages above, and no feeling that u are marrying ur bro/sis

We wer recently talking about this issue, and while it isnt so common in western socities, its still common in egypt.
And i know many ppl who have done so, including one of our priests! and their children are all fine!
Genetic problems can happen with anyone, not necessarily just cousins...i guess there may be a slightly higher..but at the end of the day, wat ever God's will is will be done...no one can control or change that!

[maz]

i wud never marry my cousin.... i just think its disgustin but i only think that cos i think of all my cousins as brothers n the thought of havin sex with them is just gross..... however i think its fine if u barely kno them n hardly speak to them.....

[illomatic]

so your cousins don't speak english? dont u have cousins that live in umreeka?

lol they speak english... but with the paki accent

and i cant stand that

and then my 2 saudi cousins... (they used to live in ny)
but they are so chotuu(i got 6/7 years on em, respectively), and i grew up with them, so i count them outtttt

[insomniac987]

i wouldnt personally do it myself but if people do marry their cousin and their happy then good for them :Paper:

[lilbugger]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?


who are u gonna marry dude....and can i go to the wedding

[illomatic]

who are u gonna marry dude....and can i go to the wedding

i dont think it was for him...

fa some reason i think some chick he liked, is marrying her cousin
and he wanted to know what the deal is

i dont know

[CorruptNightfall]

Umn, I'de say NO! Because of all the medical reasons. It doesn't have to do with aids or anything, its just the genetic mutation stuff that occurs which i'm iffy about. But hell some of my family members are filthy rich in Pakistan and thats the reason why they want their daughters married to their cousins cause they trust the males or whatever (Don't want the guy using her for money). Thank goodness I don't have to worry about that.

[gujulicious]

omg, HELL NO!
thats incest

[plummet]

absolutely NOT.

[Renegade17]

well........ na hell no lol. thats just plain nasty. burn this thread no im jk :bounce: .

[sara khan]

well yu cud end up wid bad genes in your family through incest, such as heart diseases will be more likey to pass in yur family, brain diseases and all da other stuff. and secondly im against it on da basis dat itz jus against what ive been raised, i meanto some people it mite be ok but my family and i dont see incest as a good thing

+genetic mutations seen in your children...If you marry a couisin who is your first cousin... there is a 1 out of 10 chance that your children will be handicapped + if a divorce occurs it brakes up the family and allot of :Punch: occurs...

[dezi_divaa]

i cant imagine my cousins...its just stupid and their kids can be sick!!! (sickle cell anemia) its no safe [-x

[sara khan]

"Incest" is a concept socialized into you as you grew up, I'm guessing in the states. The 'bad genes' argument isn't true, look it up. And don't talk about how you were raised implying my parents did a poor job.


woooooo easy handsome. Its true, im a med student, and what they have tought me in genetics 2 years cant be false, hes right, but it still doesnt make it incest or wrong....

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

who are u gonna marry dude....and can i go to the wedding


romit i have a pic of us and it was from ur stupid last night u were suppose to be in town lol (glad to have u back though!) anyhow millie and i are blinking and george was like romit looks like a pimppppppppp so i put pimp romit on it, u look nice and the fag shirt is growing on me (khaki with flowers) but i can't seem to attach it ..do u know of a site i should host the pic

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

woooooo easy handsome. Its true, im a med student, and what they have tought me in genetics 2 years cant be false, hes right, but it still doesnt make it incest or wrong....


actually i read an article about it in my cosmo or seventeen can't remember but it stated that medically there is nothing wrong with cousins getting it on which i personally can't understand bc well u still have the same blood kinda u know but i've read it i can go through my old mags n find it if needed

[adren@line]

whatever floats your boat.

[SAHI_PASHTOON]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?

yes I would there is nothing wrong with consanguious cousin marriages all the controversy about "Inbreeding" is a exaggeration.

consanguious cousin marriages are only marginally more risky than marriages in general.

There is nothing wrong with it at all , in fact I believe cousin marriages are crucial to maintain the social fabric of our society.

[reaz]

yea. i am retarded cause i am the product of an incestual marriage. :rolleyes:

guys, remember this; in the end we have lies, more lies and statistics. if the law and religion permits cousin marriages and there is no history of genetic disorder AND the two cousins do indeed want to marry go for it.

and yea, keep your disgust to yourself. inbreeding is prevalent in pakistan, india and bangladesh. you might end up hurting people's feelings.

ciao.

[MrPaNDoO]

none my cuzins are hott

[MolviCorleone]

none my cuzins are hott

damn thats sum tough shit.....well theres always the internet marriage sites......or russian brides..

[reaz]

actually i read an article about it in my cosmo or seventeen can't remember but it stated that medically there is nothing wrong with cousins getting it on which i personally can't understand bc well u still have the same blood kinda u know but i've read it i can go through my old mags n find it if needed


the reason it doesnt significantly increase chances is because not all diseases are propagated by dominant genes. most diseases are inherited as a recessive trait.

also you dont inherit all your parents genes. you only inherit 50% from each parent. so does your cousin. therefore, they will have inherited at most 12.5% of the common grandparent's genes. this is an approximate. and in that 12.5% you need to have dominant genes for the traits (disease) to appear.

third world countries allow it because they want to keep the money and business within the family.

[methodman535]

Nothing wrong with it, I've seen it many, many times, and it's no different than a normal marriage, except your aunt/uncle becomes your father/mother in-law, which can sometimes get complicated.
But I wouldn't do it personally because all my cousins are like brothers to me, we've grown-up together, and there are no cousins in mi familia my parents would approve of me getting married to.


Interesting. So your family doesnt have a very high opinion of.....your family. :scratch:

[Arjuna]

actually i read an article about it in my cosmo or seventeen can't remember but it stated that medically there is nothing wrong with cousins getting it on which i personally can't understand bc well u still have the same blood kinda u know but i've read it i can go through my old mags n find it if needed
lots of opinions.. but it all comes down to the FACTS. thats pretty stupid even if its a cosmo mag any biology book will bash that statement.. ask ur biology teacher/prof or a doctor for an educated explaination

[fattygirl]

i hav had this discussion several times with couple of fellow forumers.
my cuzins are very charming and everything, but marriage is not a choice here. i wouldnt do it. unless i want mentally retarded babies and remember for the rest of my life that i m with someone who has probably the same blood as me, someone i can call 'a brother'. Even though my religion says its ok, i still wouldnt do it.

[Arjuna]

the reason it doesnt significantly increase chances is because not all diseases are propagated by dominant genes. most diseases are inherited as a recessive trait.

also you dont inherit all your parents genes. you only inherit 50% from each parent. so does your cousin. therefore, they will have inherited at most 12.5% of the common grandparent's genes. this is an approximate. and in that 12.5% you need to have dominant genes for the traits (disease) to appear.

third world countries allow it because they want to keep the money and business within the family.ehh im sorry genes dont go tru ur mathematical formula their usually dominant(R) or a recessive(r) genes (some cases co-dominant).. u have to understand this theory b4 u even make an educated guess about it.. i cant really explain the complexity of this issue

[PyariPariPri]

i know other cultures in other countries allow it and stuff, and thats cool i guess. ya'll have ur reasons. PERSONALLY, i would not engage in it b/c i am EXTREMELY close w/ my family.

and now, i suppose, aniq, that u'd say "well what if u weren't close to ur family?". well in that case i still wouldnt, because i wouldnt wanna confuse the heck out of my kids, seeing as my family is already looped, and i'd want to expand i guess... learn and adopt another family's traditions, meet a whole new bunch of people and stuff like that. granted if i did marry my own cousin... wedding costs would be hella low haha. (guju point of view:giggle:)
also, i'm an abcd and stuff so growing up...well i wasnt exactly TAUGHT but it was just kinda like obsorbed knowledge that marrying within ur own family is wrong. however growing up i found out that it isnt WRONG, its just unacceptable in some cultures and acceptable in others.

i say, w.e floats ur boat. as long as ur happy and in love (but the whole love thing could get controversial) and its not ur brother/sister/mother/father. <-- pri thinks that would be extremely sick. but i think gettign forced into it would be wrong.

..i'd be surprised if u read that all lol

[adren@line]

yes I would there is nothing wrong with consanguious cousin marriages all the controversy about "Inbreeding" is a exaggeration.

consanguious cousin marriages are only marginally more risky than marriages in general.

There is nothing wrong with it at all , in fact I believe cousin marriages are crucial to maintain the social fabric of our society.

LOL.

[SAHI_PASHTOON]

04/04/2002 - Updated 01:49 AM ET





Research downplays risk of cousin marriages

By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

Marriage between first cousins, long a major legal, social and religious taboo, is far less likely to produce abnormal children than is commonly believed, a study by leading genetics researchers says.

"Stigma still attaches to these unions," says Robin Bennett, a genetics counselor at the University of Washington and the study's lead author.

"But there's no good social or biological reason that should be. There's a lot of misinformation out there that is really holding back some cousins who want to try to have children," Bennett says.

Bennett's team, which included researchers from Stanford University and the National Society of Genetic Counselors, spent more than two years studying health statistics on the offspring of first-cousin marriages in North America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

The researchers concluded that children of marriages between cousins inherited recessive genetic disorders, such as cystic fibrosis and Tay-Sachs disease, in 7% to 8% of cases. For the general population, the rate was 5%.

The study suggests that doctors and genetics counselors not discourage cousins from procreating. Instead, it says, they should take family disease histories and offer ordinary genetic services such as fetal and newborn disease testing.

The study is in the April edition of the Journal of Genetic Counseling.

Despite the findings, some genetics specialists say they will continue to urge caution.

"A 7 to 8% chance (of genetic disorder) is 50% greater than a 5% chance," says Philip Reilly, geneticist and author of Abraham Lincoln's DNA, a popular history of human genetics.

"That's a significant difference. People counseling first cousins who want to marry need to be very careful and clear on this," Reilly says.

Scientists say there are at least 5,000 diseases caused by inherited mutations called recessive genes. Possessing a single copy of the mutation is often harmless, but if a copy is inherited from each parent, the result can be death or chronic disease. Because first cousins share a pair of grandparents, the chances are greater that each will pass a copy of a "bad gene" to their child, triggering the disorder.

Cousin marriage has been widespread in rural societies, where it serves to keep money and property within families. The practice is still popular in much of the Muslim world, including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Genetics researcher Alan Bittles estimates that 20% of marriages worldwide are between relatives who are first cousins.

Genetics counselors say there are no exact figures for the USA, but experience suggests that about one marriage in 1,000 is between first cousins. Jewish and Christian traditions discourage cousin marriage. The Roman Catholic Church requires cousins to get special permission before they marry.

In Brooklyn, N.Y., a rabbi maintains a database that allows Jews to see whether a potential marriage partner carries the recessive gene for Tay-Sachs, a fatal enzyme disorder that is prevalent in Jewish families.

Thirty states do not permit first-cousin marriages.

[SAHI_PASHTOON]

BIRTH-DEFECT RISKS CALLED LOW DESPITE LONGSTANDING U.S. TABOO
"Cousin marriages aren't harmful", geneticists say
By Denise Grady
New York Times
Contrary to widely held beliefs and longstanding taboos in America, first cousins can have children together without a great risk of birth defects or genetic disease, scientists are reporting today. They say there is no strong biological reason to discourage cousins from marrying.

First cousins are somewhat more likely than unrelated parents to have a child with a serious birth defect, mental retardation or genetic disease, but their increased risk is nowhere near as large as most people think, the scientists said.

In the general population, the risk that a child will be born with a serious problem like spina bifida or cystic fibrosis is 3 to 4 percent. To that initial risk, first cousins must add an additional 1.7 to 2.8 percentage points, the researchers said.

Although the increase represents a near doubling of the risk, the result is still not considered large enough to discourage people from having children, said Dr. Arno Motulsky, an emeritus professor of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington, and the senior author of the report.

``In terms of general risks in life, it's not very high,'' Motulsky said. His report is being published today in the Journal of Genetic Counseling.

He and his colleagues said no one questioned the right of other people to have children, even though they have far higher levels of risk than first cousins. For example, people with Huntington's disease, a severe neurological disorder that comes on in adulthood, have a 50 percent chance of passing the disease to their children.

The researchers, a panel convened by the National Society of Genetic Counselors, based their conclusions on a review of six major studies conducted from 1965 to August 2000, involving many thousands of births.

Motulsky said medical geneticists had known for a long time that there was little or no harm in cousins' marrying and having children. ``Somehow, this hasn't become general knowledge,'' he said, even among doctors.

Twenty-four states have laws forbidding first cousins to marry, and seven states have limits such as requiring genetic counseling. In California, such marriages are legal between cousins of the opposite sex, according to CousinCouples.com (www.cousincouples.com), a Web site that seeks to assist cousins who want to marry. The California Family Code prohibits several types of intrafamily marriage, but not marriages between cousins.

No countries in Europe have such prohibitions, and in parts of the Middle East, Africa and Asia, marriages between cousins are considered preferable. ``In some parts of the world,'' the report says, ``20 to 60 percent of all marriages are between close biological relatives.''........

It is not known how many cousins marry or live together. Estimates of marriages between related people, which include first cousins and more distant ones, range from less than 0.1 percent of the general population to 1.5 percent. In the past, small studies have found much higher rates in some areas: A survey in 1942 found 18.7 percent in a small town in Kentucky, and a 1980 study found 33 percent in a Mennonite community in Kansas......."

[Fatty4life]

i dont know about genetics :? the idea of it is weird. but w/e floats ur boat

[SAHI_PASHTOON]

none my cuzins are hott


all my cousins are beautiful ......I'd be impossible for me to say no.

[fattygirl]

i hav two live examples of cuzins marriage living across my house, both of the familes hav mentally retarded children. one family jus had their THIRD daughter, they still dont know if she is normal or not but wat can we say, the desis never stop 'trying'. the other family has physically abnormal kids with weird facial features. its sad but when are these people going to get educated. and even if they hav babies, can they STOP making em atleast.

[Arjuna]

yes I would there is nothing wrong with consanguious cousin marriages all the controversy about "Inbreeding" is a exaggeration.

consanguious cousin marriages are only marginally more risky than marriages in general.

There is nothing wrong with it at all , in fact I believe cousin marriages are crucial to maintain the social fabric of our society.
LMFAO i just did some research turns out in some rural parts of south asia its uncommon to see 1/3 of the village is incestuously bred.. no wonder .. even tho u may approved of incestuous relationship scientificaly ur still producing weak kids.. dont belive me? try an experiment with fishes/plants urself nothing more like it.

[SAHI_PASHTOON]

LMFAO i just did some research turns out in some rural parts of south asia its uncommon to see 1/3 of the village is incestuously bred.. no wonder .. even tho u may approved of incestuous relationship scientificaly ur still producing weak kids.. dont belive me? try an experiment with fishes/plants urself nothing more like it.


You're comparing botany to the genetics of humans??? thats pathetic LOL ...you're comparing apples to oranges ..

Anyways i posted 2 articles go read them.

[SAHI_PASHTOON]

i hav two live examples of cuzins marriage living across my house, both of the familes hav mentally retarded children. one family jus had their THIRD daughter, they still dont know if she is normal or not but wat can we say, the desis never stop 'trying'. the other family has physically abnormal kids with weird facial features. its sad but when are these people going to get educated. and even if they hav babies, can they STOP making em atleast.


Mental retardation is not a result of inbreeding ...retardation occurs as a result of a mis replication of chromosomes during the mitosis process ...it has nothing to do with the actual genetic characteristics of either parent.

maybe you guys have erradiated chromosomes

[Arjuna]

You're comparing botany to the genetics of humans??? thats pathetic LOL ...you're comparing apples to oranges ..

Anyways i posted 2 articles go read them.
from your post you dont seem like u had a high school education. It seems your more based on ur opinion as biology is relevant regardless of species dna is dna, cells are cells, mitochodrian is mitochondrion.. that's why dogs, mice, guinei pigs, monkeys etc are used in traceing out cancer genes, genetic defects, allergic reactions, aids virus and so on.. and then later applied to human beings.. ur experimentation with sevral types of fishes, cattle or plants is relevant regardless of what you think.

[Arjuna]

Mental retardation is not a result of inbreeding ...retardation occurs as a result of a mis replication of chromosomes during the mitosis process ...it has nothing to do with the actual genetic characteristics of either parent.

maybe you guys have erradiated chromosomes
you dont make sense.. those mistakes happen because of bad genes and those bad genes can be concentrated via inbreeding

[reaz]

ehh im sorry genes dont go tru ur mathematical formula their usually dominant(R) or a recessive(r) genes (some cases co-dominant).. u have to understand this theory b4 u even make an educated guess about it.. i cant really explain the complexity of this issue

lol. it was a fast approximate. besides i know there are dominant and recessive and co dominant traits. however, my point is that *most* of inherited diseases are recessive. read up some stats and you'll see how that statement is true.

yea.. i know genetic theory. i studied it for around a semester or so in college. i was simplifying for the purpose of explaining and also i was eating.

now that i am done lemme tell what this thread is about:

pro cousin marriages vs anti cousin marriages

anti cm ppl believe that you're increasing risks. Yes you are:


Children of non-related couples have a 2-3% risk of birth defects, as opposed to first cousins having a 4-6% risk. Genetic counseling is available for those couples that may be at a special risk for birth defects (e.g. You have a defect that runs in your family) In plain terms first cousins have at a 94 percent + chance of having healthy children.The National Society of Genetic Counselors estimated the increased risk for first cousins is between 1.7 to 2.8 percent, or about the same a any woman over 40 years of age

so given that fact I do not see the problem if you take genetic counselling to figure out if you have some inheritable diseases. OOHH AAHHH.

This part is interesting:

Albert Einstein married his first cousin. And so did Charles Darwin, who had exceptional children.

So you see some times it might be worth it. ;)

This part will spark some controversy:

Current studies indicate that cousin couples have a lower ratio of miscarriages -- perhaps because body chemistry of cousins is more similar. The verdict is still out.

I am not saying cousin marriages are the way to go. But I am trying to point out is that it does not always result in genetic disorders and it only increases the chances of risk only if you are not careful about it. Go to a genetic counsellor if you are concerned with a family trait.

ps: US cousin marriage laws predate modern genetic research.

[desi_babii]

depends..if ur madly in love..but id say no..its not rite

[zimmy24]

i didnt read the whole thread but pakis do it :mad:

[MrPaNDoO]

haha well ... marrying the cousin thing to me ..is like marrying your sister :pukeleft:

[zimmy24]

the chances of having retarded kids is only slightly higher for people marrying first cousins. i read that in some smart magazine.

but cousin marriages still seem gross cuz my cousins are so damn gross

[Arjuna]

lol. it was a fast approximate. besides i know there are dominant and recessive and co dominant traits. however, my point is that *most* of inherited diseases are recessive. read up some stats and you'll see how that statement is true.

yea.. i know genetic theory. i studied it for around a semester or so in college. i was simplifying for the purpose of explaining and also i was eating.

now that i am done lemme tell what this thread is about:

pro cousin marriages vs anti cousin marriages

anti cm ppl believe that you're increasing risks. Yes you are:



so given that fact I do not see the problem if you take genetic counselling to figure out if you have some inheritable diseases. OOHH AAHHH.

This part is interesting:



So you see some times it might be worth it. ;)

This part will spark some controversy:



I am not saying cousin marriages are the way to go. But I am trying to point out is that it does not always result in genetic disorders and it only increases the chances of risk only if you are not careful about it. Go to a genetic counsellor if you are concerned with a family trait.

ps: US cousin marriage laws predate modern genetic research.
reaz if ur supporting incestuous marage as advantageous in case of charles darwin and eintstien then i honestly belive u shud check out the decline of the english monarchy and the decline of the egytpian pharoahs..

[lilbugger]

romit i have a pic of us and it was from ur stupid last night u were suppose to be in town lol (glad to have u back though!) anyhow millie and i are blinking and george was like romit looks like a pimppppppppp so i put pimp romit on it, u look nice and the fag shirt is growing on me (khaki with flowers) but i can't seem to attach it ..do u know of a site i should host the pic


fag shirt????? its a hot shirt....only people like me can pull it off

[reaz]

reaz if ur supporting incestuous marage as advantageous in case of charles darwin and eintstien then i honestly belive u shud check out the decline of the english monarchy and the decline of the egytpian pharoahs..

Let's not call it incestuous since that topic is rather subjective. The widely held understanding is that cousin marriages are NOT incestuous. Infact 20% of marriages in the world are first cousin marriages.

1 out of 1000 American marriages are first cousin marriages. And 20+ states in the USA allow it as well.

So I urge you not be politically incorrect by calling this an incestuous affair. Now you may have your inhibitions towards marrying your first cousin. You may also think it's scientifically unsound. But I doubt you can label it as incest.

Also read what I wrote carefully. I am not promoting it neither am I condemning it. I believe that if the couple check their genetic lines and trace their traits they can avoid genetic disorders.

As for your info regarding egyptians and british monarchs, I believe they did not have the modern science to figure out the propagation of genetic traits. Also countries like pakistan (this is just an example that you can relate to. other countries like saudi arabia are more prominent examples) would have observed dwindling populous due to genetic problems. But they don't. As several sources have said, it's only a 2% increase in risk. And natural selection sees to it that the unfit gene does not propagate. So it's all good.

As for Einstein and Darwin; I provided those examples for jocular reasons more than anything else.

[enigma007]

it's not incest. and no, you do not have genetically abnormal kids.

umm yea u can...3rd generation kids have a higher chance of being born retarded if marrying within first cuzns..and another scare is the child having a different blood type than its parents, which is dangerous for mother and child.

[reaz]

umm yea u can...3rd generation kids have a higher chance of being born retarded if marrying within first cuzns..and another scare is the child having a different blood type than its parents, which is dangerous for mother and child.

how much higher?

[enigma007]

how much higher?

i gave u the start..search the info urself if you're so interested.
i wont be in that situation..so i dont really care.

[reaz]

i gave u the start..search the info urself if you're so interested.
i wont be in that situation..so i dont really care.

I've not heard of any significant increase in risk. The chances of getting a genetic disorder is low to begin with. Marrying a cousin increases it by atmost 2% on average.

[Ms.Patel]

HELL FUCKIN NO... thats not even something to be considerin... not even a last resort... thats NO resort... thats fuckin sick... straight hick style.. mah cousins are like mah brothers.. and even if they werent.. thats still fuckin wrong - thats blood right there... ever heard of retarded children.. yea thats one way ppl get them... wtf man - ewww

[enigma007]

HELL FUCKIN NO... thats not even something to be considerin... not even a last resort... thats NO resort... thats fuckin sick... straight hick style.. mah cousins are like mah brothers.. and even if they werent.. thats still fuckin wrong - thats blood right there... ever heard of retarded children.. yea thats one way ppl get them... wtf man - ewww


with ur attitude...u may never get married!

[teri_ma]

That is absolutely ghastly.

Cousins are FAMILY. You don't f*ck your family members - end of argument.

I cannot comprehend how you f*cking people don't see anything wrong with it. Go ahead, marry your cousins, and give birth to yet another generation of mentally f*cked up terrorist children. :rolleyes: :Pukeright

[Ms.Patel]

with ur attitude...u may never get married!
haha id rather not then marry mah cousin.. shiet

[Ms.Patel]

That is absolutely ghastly.

Cousins are FAMILY. You don't f*ck your family members - end of argument.

I cannot comprehend how you f*cking people don't see anything wrong with it. Go ahead, marry your cousins, and give birth to yet another generation of mentally f*cked up terrorist children. :rolleyes: :Pukeright


oh my goodness.. finally - someone sane... agreed :joy:

[Muddassir]

there r some diseases, if both the parents have them, then child gets its worst state. cousin marriage increase its probablity. e.g albinoism.. 2 of my cousins have whit skin color, and no eye color(looks pink coz of ratina and blood. they have bad visibilty. their parents are first cousins.

but i still wont mind cousin marrriage, may be after medical counsellation

[Muddassir]

That is absolutely ghastly.

Cousins are FAMILY. You don't f*ck your family members - end of argument.

I cannot comprehend how you f*cking people don't see anything wrong with it. Go ahead, marry your cousins, and give birth to yet another generation of mentally f*cked up terrorist children. :rolleyes: :Pukeright
nopes cousins are not actual brothers and sisters.

[XoTiCGHeTToBooTy]

DUDE THATS NASTY CUZ U LIKE GREW UP WITH EM N SHYT JUST DA THOUGHT OF MARRYING MY CUZZIN EWWWWWWW NO :nono:

[reaz]

HELL FUCKIN NO... thats not even something to be considerin... not even a last resort... thats NO resort... thats fuckin sick... straight hick style.. mah cousins are like mah brothers.. and even if they werent.. thats still fuckin wrong - thats blood right there... ever heard of retarded children.. yea thats one way ppl get them... wtf man - ewww

calm down. retarded children aren't always due to genes. if your cousins are like your brothers then yea it's disgusting to think about marrying them. but there are people here who dont think about their cousins as brothers. respect and tolerance is in order.

[RoMeO6969]

its wrong even if ur cuzin was like JLO, or Jennifer Love Hewitt its wrong tottally wrong

[Ms.Patel]

calm down. retarded children aren't always due to genes. if your cousins are like your brothers then yea it's disgusting to think about marrying them. but there are people here who dont think about their cousins as brothers. respect and tolerance is in order.

i have first cousins who i met for the first and last time just a couple months ago at a weddin... i still would NEVER - and i wouldnt even care if havin kids with ur cousin didnt make em retarded.. thats still wrong in mah eyes.. but whatever.. ppl can do what they gotta do - :mad:

[FightingIllini]

i have first cousins who i met for the first and last time just a couple months ago at a weddin... i still would NEVER - and i wouldnt even care if havin kids with ur cousin didnt make em retarded.. thats still wrong in mah eyes.. but whatever.. ppl can do what they gotta do - :mad:

Damn. You're cute.

[reaz]

i have first cousins who i met for the first and last time just a couple months ago at a weddin... i still would NEVER - and i wouldnt even care if havin kids with ur cousin didnt make em retarded.. thats still wrong in mah eyes.. but whatever.. ppl can do what they gotta do - :mad:

yup. dont impose your views on others.

[Ms.Patel]

Damn. You're cute.

aww.. thanx *MUAHHHZZZ*

[teri_ma]

nopes cousins are not actual brothers and sisters.

What the f*ck is your point? Your parents are still brother and sister, asshole.

It's ridiculous. Who cares if Islam says it's OK. If your religion tells you you it's okay to kill people - would you do it?

You people need to learn to think for yourselves, and not what mommy and daddy brainwashed you to believe. Stop ignoring scientific evidence, just look at the European monarchy history. :rolleyes: O god, some people make me wana hurl.

[reaz]

What the f*ck is your point? Your parents are still brother and sister, asshole.

It's ridiculous. Who cares if Islam says it's OK. If your religion tells you you it's okay to kill people - would you do it?

You people need to learn to think for yourselves, and not what mommy and daddy brainwashed you to believe. Stop ignoring scientific evidence, just look at the European monarchy history. :rolleyes: O god, some people make me wana hurl.

omg omg omg!11 why don't you read the thread? :shock:

[Ms.Patel]

What the f*ck is your point? Your parents are still brother and sister, asshole.

It's ridiculous. Who cares if Islam says it's OK. If your religion tells you you it's okay to kill people - would you do it?

You people need to learn to think for yourselves, and not what mommy and daddy brainwashed you to believe. Stop ignoring scientific evidence, just look at the European monarchy history. :rolleyes: O god, some people make me wana hurl.

haha thank u thank u thank uuuuu... makes me happy to read from u

[Muddassir]

islam doesn't ask u to kill anyone for no reason. it allows only in wars, which is inforced or as a punishment of killing someone or illegal adultry

islam has answer to everything..

[teri_ma]

hahah thanks Ms. Patel - good to know there are some non-retarded people on here!

omg omg omg!11 why don't you read the thread? :shock:

I'm sorry that some of us don't have so much time on our hands to read ten pages of bullsh*t, mostly people repeating the same pro-incestuous garbage throughout each post.

:rolleyes:

[teri_ma]

islam doesn't ask u to kill anyone for no reason. it allows only in wars, which is inforced or as a punishment of killing someone or illegal adultry

islam has answer to everything..

LOL

The killing example I gave was just figurative, and this idiot takes it literally.

hahahhaah

Oh man.

Islam has the answer to everything? Okay there buddy. Why don't you get a mind of your own, instead of regurgitating what others tell you.

[reaz]

hahah thanks Ms. Patel - good to know there are some non-retarded people on here!



I'm sorry that some of us don't have so much time on our hands to read ten pages of bullsh*t, mostly people repeating the same pro-incestuous garbage throughout each post.

:rolleyes:

most ppl are anti cousin marriages here. but you wouldnt know that unless you read the bullshit.

meh, discussing with you guys is futile.

[Ms.Patel]

most ppl are anti cousin marriages here. but you wouldnt know that unless you read the bullshit.

meh, discussing with you guys is futile.
no they arent... and most are sittin there sayin shit like oh... only cuz mah cousins are gross or some shit like that - meanin... they arent anti cousin marriage.. they just dont have ne cousins who are they are willin to get down with

and dont get all butt hurt just cuz we can agree with eachother.. and if ish "futile"... then why are u botherin?

[Cunard]

the places where marrige between cousins happen just has a different culture with different norms, im sure a black guy marrying a white women is weird too to some people, or a catholic marrying a evengelical christian........bottem line, who somone fucks in there bedroom doesnt effect you so why should u care.

[desi_balla63]

desi balla... you still be spittin?

Yes, I be.

[desi_balla63]

who are u gonna marry dude....and can i go to the wedding

:) A girl. And yes, you can Romit.

[desi_balla63]

the reason it doesnt significantly increase chances is because not all diseases are propagated by dominant genes. most diseases are inherited as a recessive trait.

also you dont inherit all your parents genes. you only inherit 50% from each parent. so does your cousin. therefore, they will have inherited at most 12.5% of the common grandparent's genes. this is an approximate. and in that 12.5% you need to have dominant genes for the traits (disease) to appear.

third world countries allow it because they want to keep the money and business within the family.

Posted the link, the chances of inheriting something go up from 2% to 4%.

[Sweet Miasma]

i agree with Cunard....
just because ur Americanized minds say eeww to cousin marriages doesnt mean its wrong....
in the East this is something that has been going on for ages....and if the fact that cousin marriages is incest is true then they would be marrying their brothers, fathers, grandparents....but noo....cuz that is NOT the norm.... and yes marrying cousins is. this is something that does exist in the East ...in a place where incest is looked down on...

[dr0pitlikeitzh0t]

i know people who have married their cousins.

[teri_ma]

i know people who have married their cousins.

Thanks for that useful bit of information

[BDzFinEst]

haha my mom wants me to marry my cousin..o hell that aint happening..

[dr0pitlikeitzh0t]

Thanks for that useful bit of information
no prob.

[reaz]

no they arent... and most are sittin there sayin shit like oh... only cuz mah cousins are gross or some shit like that - meanin... they arent anti cousin marriage.. they just dont have ne cousins who are they are willin to get down with

and dont get all butt hurt just cuz we can agree with eachother.. and if ish "futile"... then why are u botherin?

I have the capability to come to the conclusion any time I wish. I did not form that opinion when I started out. But I realise everyone has their biases and are not willing to consider the other side. I am not butt hurt. I am turned off though.

I'd appreciate if you used complete words to discuss. It is easier to read. I've read the whole thread and most of the people are anti consanguineous.

[desi_balla63]

i know people who have married their cousins.

Did there kids turn out like soulflyer?

[ProxDJ]

haha my mom wants me to marry my cousin..o hell that aint happening..

haha do it.. jk

well my aunt approached me about her cute daughter i am never into it....

[dr0pitlikeitzh0t]

Did there kids turn out like soulflyer?
nope...normal with no genetic disorders :D

[desi_balla63]

nope...normal with no genetic disorders :D

Lordy.

[reaz]

i agree with Cunard....
just because ur Americanized minds say eeww to cousin marriages doesnt mean its wrong....
in the East this is something that has been going on for ages....and if the fact that cousin marriages is incest is true then they would be marrying their brothers, fathers, grandparents....but noo....cuz that is NOT the norm.... and yes marrying cousins is. this is something that does exist in the East ...in a place where incest is looked down on...

naheeda, some of these people are insensitive towards culture hence, this is their reaction. these people call it incest whereas the law does not. most nations do not consider it incest as well, including European ones.

would you believe it that as much as 20% of marriages on earth are first cousin marriages?

i am not pro nor anti consanguine marriage. i dont think i'll do it but i dont have a problem with it. i want to figure something out.. how many of these posters are actually the product of cousin marriages, considering that it's prevalent back home.

[Sweet Miasma]

i want to figure something out.. how many of these posters are actually the product of cousin marriages, considering that it's prevalent back home.

haha thats funny....its so common back in the east that some of these ppl prolly are products of such marriages...

[adren@line]

I think the bottom line is that:

Most people who defend it are Muslim.
Most people who are against it are not.

[FLAVA FLAVE]

disorder or no disorder...its still hella sick........