Marrying your cousin.

[Sweet Miasma]

I think the bottom line is that:

Most people who defend it are Muslim.
Most people who are against it are not.


hmm thats funny...i know hindus back in india do it too

[adren@line]

hmm thats funny...i know hindus back in india do it too
I was reffering to people on this forum.

[Muddassir]

my one sister is married to my mom's first cousin and the other is married to my mom's second cousin
and their children are really really intelligent.. i never seen that intelligent children in my life

[Fatty4life]

my one sister is married to my mom's first cousin and the other is married to my mom's second cousin
and their children are really really intelligent.. i never seen that intelligent children in my life
your sisters married ur uncles? :confused:

[Muddassir]

well their husbands re of their age group.. because my grand mother had so many sisters.. her uncles and ants also had so many siblings..

[Fatty4life]

well their husbands re of their age group.. because my grand mother had so many sisters.. her uncles and ants also had so many siblings..
o...k

[mita615]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?



I think its absolutly wrong... no questions asked....

[That Bitch]

Wow, interesting thread!

[That Bitch]

And no, I don't know of anyone who's done that...it's not as commonplace here, I guess. And in the black community that is the ULTIMATE no-no!!!

[rreal]

my cousins are like my sisters and i think its sweet because i dont have a sister, so obviously I'd never think of marrying my own sisters.

[hollisterdesi]

Marrying cousins seems to be a a common practice mostly among people in the Muslim community....and in Southern USA among white people...every1 else thinks its incestious and nasty.

I personally don't believe in it. Coming from a Hindu/Indian community, I was raised o call my cousins my brothers and sisters, b/c they are equivelant to such. They are my family. In any case, I couldn't even if I wanted to, since most Hindus and Indians don't do it and shun it. There's also the science factor that plays a huge role in that, b/c some say that the negative recessive genes are carried on and seen in the children. Bottom line, I don't do it and won't do it.

[desi_balla63]

Kunal had this to say...


Kunal says:
tell those fags in your cousin marrige topic that cousin marrige is not a strictly muslim thing, and most muslims who practice it are Jatts and the same Hindu and Sikh Jatts also practiced it, it was practiced in europe and all over the south asian continent for along time with select clans and castes who only wanted to marry their own; i mean the legendary lovers Mirza and Saibhan were first
Kunal says:
cousins for goodness sakes
Kunal says:
i just wanted those fags like hollystermonkey to know

[That Bitch]

Who is Kunal??? Another member of the forum?

[hollisterdesi]

Kunal had this to say...


Kunal says:
tell those fags in your cousin marrige topic that cousin marrige is not a strictly muslim thing, and most muslims who practice it are Jatts and the same Hindu and Sikh Jatts also practiced it, it was practiced in europe and all over the south asian continent for along time with select clans and castes who only wanted to marry their own; i mean the legendary lovers Mirza and Saibhan were first
Kunal says:
cousins for goodness sakes
Kunal says:
i just wanted those fags like hollystermonkey to know

Tell Kunal he can blow me. I never said strictly if his intelligent ass read it, I said that today its generally more common among Muslims. Hindus and Sikhs shun it, as u can see, the Hindu and SIkh posters shunned it (lol duh!). And a clan or caste isnt the same thing as a family. U can be of the same caste or clan and not be family. But w/e. Ur confused, and I don't have time for u.

Forward all that 2 ur buddy.

[Sikh4Lyfe]

scientifically speaking, if your family continues a tradition of it, your going to eliminate ur genes forever.

[FLAVA FLAVE]

I THOUGHT IT WAS A MUSLIM THING I GUESS NOT.........SUM LIKE TO KEEP IT IN DA FAMILY...lol :p

[That Bitch]

Cousins make dozens! Holla!

[desi_balla63]

Tell Kunal he can blow me. I never said strictly if his intelligent ass read it, I said that today its generally more common among Muslims. Hindus and Sikhs shun it, as u can see, the Hindu and SIkh posters shunned it (lol duh!). And a clan or caste isnt the same thing as a family. U can be of the same caste or clan and not be family. But w/e. Ur confused, and I don't have time for u.

Forward all that 2 ur buddy.

Kunal says:fact: Jatt Sikh Clans in previous centuries married only their own clan members, what i mean by clan is immediate nuclear family, its a fact that they wanted to keep riches in their own family, same with Jatt Hindu families and same with other castes, it was not uncommon at all for them to marry their own cousins, it was actually preferred with certain clans <--- give this to hollymonkey
Kunal says:
hold on i gots more
Kunal says:
secondly i dont care if Hindus and Sikhs condemn it, the fact is that it happened, cousin marrige still happens today with Hindus and Sikhs in the poor villages in India the same way it does in Pakistan, you have to understand that religon and culture have to be seprated in this argument, it has more to do with culture and societal values more than religous
Kunal says:
there, hollymonkey can go choke on a dick now

[hollisterdesi]

I THOUGHT IT WAS A MUSLIM THING I GUESS NOT.........SUM LIKE TO KEEP IT IN DA FAMILY...lol :p


It is today for the most part...but ppl like Desi Balla and his buttbuddy try to say other ppl do it just as much, so they don't make their own ppl look like weirdos (not sayin they are). But yeah Im not into the whole cousin marryin thing. If Desi Balla ever brought this up to sum American dude then he'd prolly get laughed at. I was nice enough to provide atleast a noninsulting and comprehensive post(s).

[That Bitch]

Desi Balla, would YOU marry your cousin?

[desi_balla63]

Desi Balla, would YOU marry your cousin?

Yes.

[hollisterdesi]

Kunal says:fact: Jatt Sikh Clans in previous centuries married only their own clan members, what i mean by clan is immediate nuclear family, its a fact that they wanted to keep riches in their own family, same with Jatt Hindu families and same with other castes, it was not uncommon at all for them to marry their own cousins, it was actually preferred with certain clans <--- give this to hollymonkey
Kunal says:
hold on i gots more
Kunal says:
secondly i dont care if Hindus and Sikhs condemn it, the fact is that it happened, cousin marrige still happens today with Hindus and Sikhs in the poor villages in India the same way it does in Pakistan, you have to understand that religon and culture have to be seprated in this argument, it has more to do with culture and societal values more than religous
Kunal says:
there, hollymonkey can go choke on a dick now

Tell Kunal: Tharo baap saalo guntoh...thaaraa bhai-ben ne chode saalo.

[BilalisPakistani]

lol kunal's got the magic stick

[hollisterdesi]

And to Kunal: U say it doesnt matter wut happens today, wut matters is that ppl might have done it (lets say ur right for example), so we shood only concentrate and wutppl back then did and not look at a more recent and modern example? Today Hindus and Sikhs shun it completely on a general note, and that is an indisputable fact. My post also remains un-deterred by the fact that most of the ppl that all said they would marry their cousins (in this thread) were Muslim, and those who frowned upon it were generally Hindu or Sikh.

[FlyDesiGrl]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?
I never understood really, why Muslim people do this? I suppose u trust ur own family and they remain pure? I dunno, i guess. I wouldnt do it. It seems a little inhuman....family is made to be family. How could u grow up with ur cousin ur whole life, knowing u picked on each other, fought with each other, and played together....to know that when ur at the age of getting married...ur marrying that person and gonna start a FAMILY and new life with them? Im sorry, but i honestly dont know HOWWW u could have sex with a family member. Its kinda incestual....u were asking for opinions and thats mine!! :D

[desi_balla63]

I never understood really, why Muslim people do this? I suppose u trust ur own family and they remain pure? I dunno, i guess. I wouldnt do it. It seems a little inhuman....family is made to be family. How could u grow up with ur cousin ur whole life, knowing u picked on each other, fought with each other, and played together....to know that when ur at the age of getting married...ur marrying that person and gonna start a FAMILY and new life with them? Im sorry, but i honestly dont know HOWWW u could have sex with a family member. Its kinda incestual....u were asking for opinions and thats mine!! :D

You're assuming you grew up together.

Let's say you didn't, your not that close, and you're "of age". :?

[desi_balla63]

And to Kunal: U say it doesnt matter wut happens today, wut matters is that ppl might have done it (lets say ur right for example), so we shood only concentrate and wutppl back then did and not look at a more recent and modern example? Today Hindus and Sikhs shun it completely on a general note, and that is an indisputable fact. My post also remains un-deterred by the fact that most of the ppl that all said they would marry their cousins (in this thread) were Muslim, and those who frowned upon it were generally Hindu or Sikh.

Kunal says:
i hate how the ****** makes everything into a religous war

Kunal says:
he is taking a small sample size and making it out like its conclusive data, the fact is if you go and take actual statistics you would find it is alarmingly equal on both sides of the border for cousin marrige, i know muslims who shun cousin marrige and some who are indiffrent it doesnt mean that it is a foregone conclusion that cousin marrige is approved by the modern islamic population

Kunal says:
quit turning everything into a relgious war, you damn chuachodh

[That Bitch]

Yes.

Okay! I can respect your beliefs and decisions!

[BilalisPakistani]

I would NOT marry a cousin

However, when I went to Pakistan last year, I met one of my cousins for the first time and omg hotness..

eww

[BilalisPakistani]

chuachodh

LMFAO

[desi_balla63]

Okay! I can respect your beliefs and decisions!

I appreciate that.

[FlyDesiGrl]

You're assuming you grew up together.

Let's say you didn't, your not that close, and you're "of age". :?
hmm i dunno Aniq...are u in this situation right now? A cozin for a rishtaa? I mean, if u urself are cool with the fact that u never grew up with her, and dont know her too well, then i guess its okay Aniq. Do what u think is right for u. Coz in any case...marriage isnt to be taken lightly. U WILL be spending the rest of ur life with this woman (Inshallah, Raab Rakheh). So think about it. If ur on the fence....go see her, see what shes like...besides the fact that she is family, there is a lot of other things to look at. Family, Morals, Respect, Traditions, Values, Finances, Education, Career.

[BilalisPakistani]

Aniq getting a rishta?

no way

[Muddassir]

r u jealos wth aniq?

[desi_balla63]

Aniq getting a rishta?

no way

:) It's a reality, my friend.

[adren@line]

Kunal says:fact: Jatt Sikh Clans in previous centuries married only their own clan members, what i mean by clan is immediate nuclear family, its a fact that they wanted to keep riches in their own family, same with Jatt Hindu families and same with other castes, it was not uncommon at all for them to marry their own cousins, it was actually preferred with certain clans <--- give this to hollymonkey
Kunal says:
hold on i gots more
Kunal says:
secondly i dont care if Hindus and Sikhs condemn it, the fact is that it happened, cousin marrige still happens today with Hindus and Sikhs in the poor villages in India the same way it does in Pakistan, you have to understand that religon and culture have to be seprated in this argument, it has more to do with culture and societal values more than religous
Kunal says:
there, hollymonkey can go choke on a dick now

wtf is he talking about. Cousin marriage is sanctioned in Islam.

[That Bitch]

I appreciate that.

Sure thing! Sadly enough, while that may be frowned upon in other cultures, if those same uncles and/or cousins molest you the whole issue is too often just swept under the rug. Go figure.

[desi_balla63]

Sure thing! Sadly enough, while that may be frowned upon in other cultures, if those same uncles and/or cousins molest you the whole issue is too often just swept under the rug. Go figure.

Ya, desi culture is great when it comes to keeping stuff hidden.

[reaz]

wtf is he talking about. Cousin marriage is sanctioned in Islam.

really now? :confused:

just because we *can* does not mean we *have* to. we *can* be against it. it's a personal choice.

[p i m p]

really now? :confused:

just because we *can* does not mean we *have* to. we *can* be against it. it's a personal choice.

true

[desi_balla63]

really now? :confused:

just because we *can* does not mean we *have* to. we *can* be against it. it's a personal choice.

I think kunal was trying to seperate religion and beliefs...

And homeboy was trying to say you can't, because Islam sanctions it.

[pnp366]

i m trying to convince my cousin to marry her cousin, whos a doctor, rich, handsome, great all around guy, wholl keep her happy.

[adren@line]

really now? :confused:

just because we *can* does not mean we *have* to. we *can* be against it. it's a personal choice.

that was reffering to Kunal's statements in which he said it was more cultural than religious, when with Muslims the religion definitly plays a part.

[adren@line]

i m trying to convince my cousin to marry her cousin, whos a doctor, rich, handsome, great all around guy, wholl keep her happy.

is she a gold digger?

[pnp366]

is she a gold digger?
that has nothing to do with it.



also, islams says its ok to marry cousins. theres a hadith where the Prophet PBUH, told a tribe, who was marrying with in itself to marry their daughters and sons with other tribes b/c sickness was surfacing, so even then, they knew the outcomes of several inside family marriages.

[Cunard]

i agree with Cunard....
just because ur Americanized minds say eeww to cousin marriages doesnt mean its wrong....
in the East this is something that has been going on for ages....and if the fact that cousin marriages is incest is true then they would be marrying their brothers, fathers, grandparents....but noo....cuz that is NOT the norm.... and yes marrying cousins is. this is something that does exist in the East ...in a place where incest is looked down on...

wow, somone actually read my post :)

[That Bitch]

Ya, desi culture is great when it comes to keeping stuff hidden.

Stuff like what?

[farazz]

im gonna marry my cousin cause i can't find any girl who wants to marry me

[illomatic]

im gonna marry my cousin cause i can't find any girl who wants to marry me


i do :mad:

[illomatic]

for those idiots using the european monarchy as en example for 1 person not to marry their own cousins...

ur stupid........

no one is saying for anyone to make everyone in their family to mate with each other...
ONE girl, ONE boy

the chances of THEIR children and THEIR parents being a cousin-cousin marriage

are slim to none....

stop lookin at the BROAD VIEW of cousin-cousin marriage

and look at it as a one time thing

obviously if the person getting married's bro/sis have kids
and their kids mate, and keep the cycle going, then ....... houston... we have a problem...........

otherwise.....
once in a blue

its alllllll good





(i would not like any bullshit answer to this post, please leave ur dickless comments in you diary)

[desi_balla63]

im gonna marry my cousin cause i can't find any girl who wants to marry me

You really think thats why people do?

[farazz]

You really think thats why people do?

people do it cause they're old fashioned. Im sure the majority of our parents (muslim parents) are cousins with one another. Nowadays its less common and is considered taboo. The reason for this is because the western world looks down upon cousin marriages and we obviously copy everything in the western culture so kids these days try to avoid cousin marriages. I agree it must be weird marrying someone who is as close to u as ur sister. I guess its not as bad when u don't really see ur cousins ever, like me.

[desi_balla63]

people do it cause they're old fashioned. Im sure the majority of our parents (muslim parents) are cousins with one another. Nowadays its less common and is considered taboo. The reason for this is because the western world looks down upon cousin marriages and we obviously copy everything in the western culture so kids these days try to avoid cousin marriages. I agree it must be weird marrying someone who is as close to u as ur sister. I guess its not as bad when u don't really see ur cousins ever, like me.

Agreed.

Thing is, people assume you're talking about people you "grew up with" or that your like "brother/sister" when thats not the case always. I mean I"m sure you have friends that are like bro/sis to you and you wouldn't marry them.

That's universal, it has nothing to do with being blood.

[That Bitch]

Agreed.

Thing is, people assume you're talking about people you "grew up with" or that your like "brother/sister" when thats not the case always. I mean I"m sure you have friends that are like bro/sis to you and you wouldn't marry them.

That's universal, it has nothing to do with being blood.

You never answered my question...what other issues do you feel are swept under the rug in the community? I ask because maybe this could lead to a good story idea, and not to pry...

[desi_balla63]

You never answered my question...what other issues do you feel are swept under the rug in the community? I ask because maybe this could lead to a good story idea, and not to pry...

Well,

I feel in desi culture anything that could be disgraceful is swept under the rug. LIke say, if you made bad grades. Or, you ran away from home. Or, like say family secrets. Instead of confronting an issue, we'd rather act like its not there. Those probably aren't the best examples of some tho.

[That Bitch]

Okay, I understand...and one of the books that I'm reading the author describes something similar...and that people are very concerned with how they appear to others. As a matter of fact, here is the book, forgot to post it in the other thread...very wordy and lengthy, but a fascinating read because it goes from one extreme to another...exploring the royalty and rich to the whores and beggars, Hindu/Muslim riots and tensions and everything in between! He also wrote a Bollywood screenplay called Mission Kashmir or something?

http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/04062216011/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/7870000/7876485.jpg

I remembered the word for what I am too...Indophile! LOL!

[*ena*]

never... its just plain gross.

[desi_balla63]

never... its just plain gross.

Why.


Bitch - Ya...is the book easy reading? I don't mind informative stuff, but not stuff that's painful to read.

[*ena*]

cuz i've always seen them as my family... my brothers and sisters..
i can never imagine myself marrying someone who i never thought of in that way...

i can never imagine having an intimate relationship with them... :?
it seems gross to me.

[desi_balla63]

cuz i've always seen them as my family... my brothers and sisters..
i can never imagine myself marrying someone who i never thought of in that way...

i can never imagine having an intimate relationship with them... :?
it seems gross to me.

That's your opinion. Not everyone grows up in that situation.

[*ena*]

i know.. i was telling u wat i would do...

not the whole world.

[That Bitch]

It will probably be much easier for you than it is for me, because sometimes he doesn't explain a lot of the words that you may already be familiar with, so I just use my context clues. Worth the effort though! He's a good storyteller and it is thoroughly told. He was born in Bombay, moved to Queens as a child, then moved back as an adult to find a wife...now goes back and forth between there and New York as a reporter; and because the people trust him and his journalistic integrity they open up.

The guys at my favorite Indian restaurant down the street want to take me over there for a few weeks soon, I said I would go as long as they had aloo gobi! LMAO!

[That Bitch]

That's your opinion. Not everyone grows up in that situation.

Do you or your family already have someone in mind? It sounds like your mind is already made up...

[desi_balla63]

Do you or your family already have someone in mind? It sounds like your mind is already made up...

I have an idea. :o

[desi_balla63]

It will probably be much easier for you than it is for me, because sometimes he doesn't explain a lot of the words that you may already be familiar with, so I just use my context clues. Worth the effort though! He's a good storyteller and it is thoroughly told. He was born in Bombay, moved to Queens as a child, then moved back as an adult to find a wife...now goes back and forth between there and New York as a reporter; and because the people trust him and his journalistic integrity they open up.

The guys at my favorite Indian restaurant down the street want to take me over there for a few weeks soon, I said I would go as long as they had aloo gobi! LMAO!

K, Ya I'm familiar with the movie made on it. I"ll check it out.

[desi_balla63]

i know.. i was telling u wat i would do...

not the whole world.

Why do u hate me.

[GQ Menace]

depends which cousin.... but most likely... no

rather find a chick i can talk to in english... my urdu is hilarious when u hear me speak it...but my sindhi is better... but still... i wanna talk english to my wife...thats sick man,lol. Even if jessica alba was my cousin and i had to marry her, i's wrong.

[desi_balla63]

thats sick man,lol. Even if jessica alba was my cousin and i had to marry her, i's wrong.

Some logical conclusion you drew there, my friend.

[plummet]

i repeat...coz i totally forget if i posted in this thread or not.



absolutely NOTTTTTT

[*ena*]

Why do u hate me.
i don't :?

what gave u that idea?

[desi_balla63]

i repeat...coz i totally forget if i posted in this thread or not.



absolutely NOTTTTTT

Why.

[desi_balla63]

i don't :?

what gave u that idea?

I think we've yet to agree on anything.


Ever.

[plummet]

Why.
i believe marrying any relative is wrong.

its a personal choice..some people may disagree.

no one could pay me enough to do that.

[desi_balla63]

i believe marrying any relative is wrong.

its a personal choice..some people may disagree.

no one could pay me enough to do that.

I realize it's a personal choice.

I'm just saying, can you give your reasoning?

[Dutty Dutty LuV]

:rolleyes: :dance:

[desi_balla63]

:rolleyes: :dance:

:yes:

[plummet]

Its a vicious cycle..not only are u putting ur child under risk ur making it seem ok that ur child marries another family relative...family who marries into each other..their kids have a much higher chance of birth defects..

and if ur kids marry another cousin...that makes it just awful.
and if that makes no sense my apologies its 3:43 in the morning

[desi_balla63]

Its a vicious cycle..not only are u putting ur child under risk ur making it seem ok that ur child marries another family relative...family who marries into each other..their kids have a much higher chance of birth defects..

and if ur kids marry another cousin...that makes it just awful.
and if that makes no sense my apologies its 3:43 in the morning

It does.

But you're wrong. The risk goes up by about 2%.

[plummet]

It does.

But you're wrong. The risk goes up by about 2%.
i dont care how low the risk its..its still 2% more then it needs to be nah?

[*ena*]

I think we've yet to agree on anything.


Ever.
umm... do u like this smiley? :shock:

[desi_balla63]

umm... do u like this smiley? :shock:

:yes:

[FTJfag]

You would have married and fucked your cousin by the time this thread dies off!

[desi_balla63]

i dont care how low the risk its..its still 2% more then it needs to be nah?

It's barely even that.

It goes up from 2-3% to about 4%. On top of that, Reaz posted some stuff about how your chances of a miscarriage or something to that extent go down with a inter-cousin marriage, for whatever reasons.

I do'nt think its an outrage, and definately doesn't warrant your response...

iabsolutely NOTTTTTT

[*ena*]

:yes:
there we go :)
so do I...

[desi_balla63]

You would have married and fucked your cousin by the time this thread dies off!

Fag,

I'll name the lil' one after you. ;)

[desi_balla63]

there we go :)
so do I...

:shock:

[plummet]

its my opinion and ill state it again and again..im not forcing it on anyone


absolutely not. once more.

[*ena*]

:shock:
see... i do'nt hate u. haha

i went through all that trouble to find something we can agree on.

[FTJfag]

McPimp Junior?

[FTJfag]

its my opinion and ill state it again and again..im not forcing it on anyone


absolutely not. once more.

Lies. You're practically forcing it down his poor little throat.

You should be more open-minded.

[desi_balla63]

its my opinion and ill state it again and again..im not forcing it on anyone


absolutely not. once more.

I don't think its one of those ABSOLUTELY things. But anywho, no semantics. :Pelvic:

[desi_balla63]

see... i do'nt hate u. haha

i went through all that trouble to find something we can agree on.

...and tha'ts the best you could find. :bball:

[urbanmix786]

nah, none of my cousins have married inside the family. They are like my bro's. But I think one of my cousins...nah will stop there.

[FTJfag]

Pig-lover.

[desi_balla63]

McPimp Junior?

Well, I think your sn might be pushing it a little.


So, I figured a synonym would work fine: Soulflyer. :yes:

[desi_balla63]

nah, none of my cousins have married inside the family. They are like my bro's. But I think one of my cousins...nah will stop there.

Tell me. :)


Sidenote: You play guitar?

[*ena*]

...and tha'ts the best you could find. :bball:
u give it a try :rolleyes:

[urbanmix786]

Tell me. :)


Sidenote: You play guitar?


just there is this weird type of presence around one cousin. I am getting mixed signals from him which is sick as i see him as a bro.

yeah i been playing for a year now

[desi_balla63]

u give it a try :rolleyes:

:? I'll get back to you on that one.

G"nite.

[desi_balla63]

just there is this weird type of presence around one cousin. I am getting mixed signals from him which is sick as i see him as a bro.

yeah i been playing for a year now

Oh, aite.

Really? I just started playing today :) well yesterday, and tommorrow I gotta go get 2 new strings put in :no: adn I have the tabs for that song "i'll be missing u" by puff daddy. I'm gonna practice all day.

[*ena*]

:? I'll get back to you on that one.

G"nite.
:no:

[GQ Menace]

Some logical conclusion you drew there, my friend.o hey friend how are u doin, well u want some real logic sure sure i can kick that. My cousin he works in ICU at the hospital and hes came across a couple who are cousins. They just had their 4th child, the previous 3 died and this one is probably gonna die also. The doctors finally had to sit down and have a meeting to some how inform the parents that this in not LOGICALLY a good thing cause the result will continue to be the same. The child was deformed, the eyes where wide spread the forehead was caved in. Iam not tryin to diss u if ur muslim, i mean dont take it the wrong way cause thats not my case for the arguement cause i know most of them marry cousins from their mom side of the family if iam correct. This is my though but i guess we dont all agree on everything but someone will always be wrong or right but owell.

[urbanmix786]

Oh, aite.

Really? I just started playing today :) well yesterday, and tommorrow I gotta go get 2 new strings put in :no: adn I have the tabs for that song "i'll be missing u" by puff daddy. I'm gonna practice all day.

lols @ Puff daddy, well thats awesome. I remember when i started i couldn't play simple cords, it took me an hour to do the simple C lols. But it comes with time and practice, i was nearly going to give up.. I got to get mine strung too my sis broke one :mad:.
Good luck maybe one day in the future we can do a cover to something.

[desi_balla63]

o hey friend how are u doin, well u want some real logic sure sure i can kick that. My cousin he works in ICU at the hospital and hes came across a couple who are cousins. They just had their 4th child, the previous 3 died and this one is probably gonna die also. The doctors finally had to sit down and have a meeting to some how inform the parents that this in not LOGICALLY a good thing cause the result will continue to be the same. The child was deformed, the eyes where wide spread the forehead was caved in. Iam not tryin to diss u if ur muslim, i mean dont take it the wrong way cause thats not my case for the arguement cause i know most of them marry cousins from their mom side of the family if iam correct. This is my though but i guess we dont all agree on everything but someone will always be wrong or right but owell.

I think that's an extreme case.

No, let me rephrase that, I KNOW that's an extreme case. 97% of the time that does not happen, hell not even 97, higher than that, normally the 3% is a disorder, not just outright death. Neither is somethign you'd want or wish for, but the chances are slim to none.

I still don't see the problem.

[desi_balla63]

lols @ Puff daddy, well thats awesome. I remember when i started i couldn't play simple cords, it took me an hour to do the simple C lols. But it comes with time and practice, i was nearly going to give up.. I got to get mine strung too my sis broke one :mad:.
Good luck maybe one day in the future we can do a cover to something.

Maybe. ;)

You should drop by yahoo chat tomm night, I'm going to try to play it live. One days practice.

[urbanmix786]

Maybe. ;)

You should drop by yahoo chat tomm night, I'm going to try to play it live. One days practice.

This is got to hear, :rah: I might be talking to the next Hendrix lols, :mad: thats not right... it took me days/weeks till i could play a song properly.

[GQ Menace]

I think that's an extreme case.

No, let me rephrase that, I KNOW that's an extreme case. 97% of the time that does not happen, hell not even 97, higher than that, normally the 3% is a disorder, not just outright death. Neither is somethign you'd want or wish for, but the chances are slim to none.

I still don't see the problem.
yo dawg than u should do what u feel is right cause than it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks. I mean there is just some things that the north americans just wont except about us. What might seem right to u might seem wrong to others. There is still a reason to why they agrue against cousins gettin married. North Americans said that arranged marriages were wrong but its funny how they have all the websites for finding the right person in life. I personally think its grouse but thats just my thoughts about marry my cousin.

[desi_balla63]

yo dawg than u should do what u feel is right cause than it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks. I mean there is just some things that the north americans just wont except about us. What might seem right to u might seem wrong to others. There is still a reason to why they agrue against cousins gettin married. North Americans said that arranged marriages were wrong but its funny how they have all the websites for finding the right person in life. I personally think its grouse but thats just my thoughts about marry my cousin.

I think Reaz said its about 20% of the world has arranger cousin-cousin marriages. I think it's more prevalent than people realize man, adn the only people "outraged" by it are people raised in the states, or north america as you said.

either way, im crashing, 'nite.

[kevvik85]

happens in south asia on a dialy basis.... 1st cousins not that popular, but 2nd and third much more... into family marriage... where the males r more trustworthy..... is more common

[IPunjabi.Blood]

Aniq, you can marry my cousin. The End!

[desi_balla63]

Aniq, you can marry my cousin. The End!

:) She's umm ... not ... too bad looking, **** mean?

[IPunjabi.Blood]

:) She's umm ... not ... too bad looking, **** mean?

okay, or you can lick my punjabi lun and then marry to it.

[desi_balla63]

okay, or you can lick my punjabi lun and then marry to it.

:Pukeright

[IPunjabi.Blood]

:Pukeright

exactly, so the first choice is a GO!

[GQ Menace]

happens in south asia on a dialy basis.... 1st cousins not that popular, but 2nd and third much more... into family marriage... where the males r more trustworthy..... is more common
what does trustworthy have to do with marryin ur own cousin lol. :)

[desi_balla63]

exactly, so the first choice is a GO!

:yes: OK seriously I swear this time, GOOD NIGHT JAY.

[desi_balla63]

what does trustworthy have to do with marryin ur own cousin lol. :)

Trusting your daughter/money/family with that person, that's what it means.

[GQ Menace]

Trusting your daughter/money/family with that person, that's what it means.
ur tellin me just because this persons ur cousin u soley trust them. There is alot of evil ppl in this world, family members are a part of the percentage.

[desi_balla63]

ur tellin me just because this persons ur cousin u soley trust them. There is alot of evil ppl in this world, family members are a part of the percentage.

No, I'm saying its easier to trust family then it is a stranger.

[GQ Menace]

No, I'm saying its easier to trust family then it is a stranger.
i guess but u do no that some stranger will probably trust u more than some of ur own relatives will.

[indeeracer]

hell no...why waste your horniness on your cousin... :rolleyes: Nice part is since I'm Christian, I know my parents will kill me at the very thought..besides, I'd rather have a wife where I can rag on her family without ragging on my own..LOL

[GQ Menace]

hell no...why waste your horniness on your cousin... :rolleyes: Nice part is since I'm Christian, I know my parents will kill me at the very thought..besides, I'd rather have a wife where I can rag on her family without ragging on my own..LOLlol ya true.

[hollisterdesi]

Did the mods delete my posts in this thread? B/c if they didnt, sum1 shood quote them. My presumption WAS indeec correct. That this whol cousin marriage thing is generally comon among Muslims, and that non-Muslims reject it. Hell, even some Muslims reject it (as in the thread). But a VERY high fraction of the ppl that supported it were Muslim...prolly all of em were if I miscounted.

So why desiballa, are u trying 2 prove that non-Muslims "used to" do it? When today, the absolutely shun it (as seen in this thread). Does it matter? If you care that much about the history and past of your family and people, I suggest you go here http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=41238

[adren@line]

what is also common in Pakistan from what I have heard is uncles who marry thier nieces.

THAT is horribly wrong.

[methodman535]

Did the mods delete my posts in this thread? B/c if they didnt, sum1 shood quote them. My presumption WAS indeec correct. That this whol cousin marriage thing is generally comon among Muslims, and that non-Muslims reject it. Hell, even some Muslims reject it (as in the thread). But a VERY high fraction of the ppl that supported it were Muslim...prolly all of em were if I miscounted.



So what if mostly muslims support it? Its been scientifically proven officially by long and hard genetic studies that it is NOT bad for the gene pool no matter how many first cousin marriages a family goes through and for however long. So anyone's biological argument against it is crock and it always was...how ridiculous to assume that just mating with one's cousin..who is from the same roots is suddenly gunny fuck up the baby's dna? If anything it will bring out recessive traits over the generations and cleanse the lineage of those undesirable characterisics..especially if the bad traits are fatal and recessive.

And as far as being disgusted by it...well then a person can marry a second cousin they have never seen or a non cousin.

[adren@line]

So what if mostly muslims support it? Its been scientifically proven officially by long and hard genetic studies that it is NOT bad for the gene pool no matter how many first cousin marriages a family goes through and for however long. So anyone's biological argument against it is crock and it always was...how ridiculous to assume that just mating with one's cousin..who is from the same roots is suddenly gunny fuck up the baby's dna? If anything it will bring out recessive traits over the generations and cleanse the lineage of those undesirable characterisics..especially if the bad traits are fatal and recessive.

And as far as being disgusted by it...well then a person can marry a second cousin they have never seen or a non cousin.

then explain the high prevalence of disease and genetic mutations within the Parsi community in India.

[hollisterdesi]

Umm method, did u read that girl's post where her relatives had 3 kids (cousin marriage) and all 3 were mentally disabled?

The fact that there is a risk involved and that my ppl and tradition are against it is enuff to keep me away from it. Dumb ppl here have argued about the risk of diseases such as AIDS with noncousin marriages as wel, but cousins can have AIDS too...and its called the HIV test, u dnt have 2 marry a girl w/o knowing. In either case yeah. This is how I feel.

[methodman535]

then explain the high prevalence of disease and genetic mutations within the Parsi community in India.


Parsis have been a 100% urban, inner city comminty for centuries. They have been eating garbage urban indian style filth for generations. Their genes deteriorated in many ways because of that. They drink like fish too. And so you actually have ANYTHING on paper that shows that they have higher than average rates of disease. And also...there are 120,000 parsees in India and 80,000 in Iran. The Irani Zoroastroans do not have any health problems do they? And also the little amount of cross breeding that the Irani Zoroastroans did was with their old racial kin, the cross breeding done by Bombay parsees is with random Indians who are much much further removed from their gene pool.


Mutations are when a gene becomes different from the parents gene either by radiation, or malnutrition. Disease? The most diseased people in india are 600 million hindus...who NEVER marry their cousins. Honestly, they are the sickest people in the world with the exception of some parts of Africa.

[methodman535]

Umm method, did u read that girl's post where her relatives had 3 kids (cousin marriage) and all 3 were mentally disabled?

The fact that there is a risk involved and that my ppl and tradition are against it is enuff to keep me away from it. Dumb ppl here have argued about the risk of diseases such as AIDS with noncousin marriages as wel, but cousins can have AIDS too...and its called the HIV test, u dnt have 2 marry a girl w/o knowing. In either case yeah. This is how I feel.


Im not arguing with how you feel. You can go and say its only feasable for hindus to marry eskimos...Im just arguing the PROOF you present. One girl says her relatives had 3 retarded kids. Ok...these kids all ate the same food. Maybe there was lead in the paint in the house. Maybe the mother who gave birth to them was suffering from heavy metal poisoning and passed it on to the fetus.

Wheres the proof that it was genetically caused? Nowhere!

[reaz]

Did the mods delete my posts in this thread? B/c if they didnt, sum1 shood quote them. My presumption WAS indeec correct. That this whol cousin marriage thing is generally comon among Muslims, and that non-Muslims reject it. Hell, even some Muslims reject it (as in the thread). But a VERY high fraction of the ppl that supported it were Muslim...prolly all of em were if I miscounted.

So why desiballa, are u trying 2 prove that non-Muslims "used to" do it? When today, the absolutely shun it (as seen in this thread). Does it matter? If you care that much about the history and past of your family and people, I suggest you go here http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=41238

This thread is a true representation of the said population.

[hollisterdesi]

Im not arguing with how you feel. You can go and say its only feasable for hindus to marry eskimos...Im just arguing the PROOF you present. One girl says her relatives had 3 retarded kids. Ok...these kids all ate the same food. Maybe there was lead in the paint in the house. Maybe the mother who gave birth to them was suffering from heavy metal poisoning and passed it on to the fetus.

Wheres the proof that it was genetically caused? Nowhere!

Speculation, speculation, and more speculation. What if? What if? What if? Don't you think doctors would have run tests on the babies to determine sicknesses, etc. and NOTICE high concentrations of lead or toxic elements in the body? I mean, thats what doctors do when they run tests, to see whats "wrong" in the blood.

[methodman535]

there are 2 main issues involved:

it is more difficult to see the results in such a large populace, but they become VERY apparent when looking at the Parsi community in India and Pakistan, which is a very small community of only about 100,000. Parsis are fiercely clannish and protect their pure Parsi genes with great conviction. They have been heavily involved in cousin-marriages and mental retardation and genetic weakness is running rampant throughout the community. This is a perfect example of the dangers of incestual breeding.


A perfect example? Hmm...lets see now. The mean IQ of the Bombay Parsees runs at between 120 and 125. The mean IQ of the average Indian is 82. So unless you have statistics from 450 years ago which proved the Parsee IQ was higher I cant really see how you came to this conclusion!

Where exactly did you get these statistics from? Do you have anything to back up these claims?

In iran there are about 80,000 Parsees(Zoroastroans). They obviously have been interbreeding even more since they have a smaller gene pool by far. Why do they have no problems whatsoever? Why did only the Indian side get fucked up if they are the exact same gene pool following the exact same breeding patterns?

[methodman535]

Speculation, speculation, and more speculation. What if? What if? What if? Don't you think doctors would have run tests on the babies to determine sicknesses, etc. and NOTICE high concentrations of lead or toxic elements in the body? I mean, thats what doctors do when they run tests, to see whats "wrong" in the blood.

Where is the doctor's report. Lets see it. In fact lets examine this very case shall wel. Who is the girl that recounted this story and is it on the web? So far I havent been speculating any more than you have, and doctors can be pretty fucktarded. How hard is it to get a diagnosis from one doctor and then get a completly different opinion from one down the block? Not very hard to do at all. Yet you take any doctor's word as gospel. Even when you havent heard a thing about how the came to their conclusion. :no:

[hollisterdesi]

Where is the doctor's report. Lets see it. In fact lets examine this very case shall wel. Who is the girl that recounted this story and is it on the web? So far I havent been speculating any more than you have, and doctors can be pretty fucktarded. How hard is it to get a diagnosis from one doctor and then get a completly different opinion from one down the block? Not very hard to do at all. Yet you take any doctor's word as gospel. Even when you havent heard a thing about how the came to their conclusion. :no:

I was using your argument against you. I have no interest in going into sum1 elses private life against their will and publicizing i on this forum. Fac remains, it happened. And I believe its very difficult for 2 legit doctors to have COMPLETELY diff reports. THe unlikelihood of an STD, or a sickness, or a disease not showing up is high. How cood they detect mental handicappedness and not a disease?

[ali_sakur]

Im not arguing with how you feel. You can go and say its only feasable for hindus to marry eskimos...Im just arguing the PROOF you present. One girl says her relatives had 3 retarded kids. Ok...these kids all ate the same food. Maybe there was lead in the paint in the house. Maybe the mother who gave birth to them was suffering from heavy metal poisoning and passed it on to the fetus.

Wheres the proof that it was genetically caused? Nowhere!

thats some highly unlikely shit. And if that happened in 3 sucessive pregnancies, the hospital would run a shitload of tests looking for poisoning and shit.

[GQ Menace]

shit mang, u all still goin on about this. Its ur life do what u feel is right, marry ur cousin if u like. There is probably some fools u cant even get it off with their own cousin either.

[ali_sakur]

Where is the doctor's report. Lets see it. In fact lets examine this very case shall wel. Who is the girl that recounted this story and is it on the web? So far I havent been speculating any more than you have, and doctors can be pretty fucktarded. How hard is it to get a diagnosis from one doctor and then get a completly different opinion from one down the block? Not very hard to do at all. Yet you take any doctor's word as gospel. Even when you havent heard a thing about how the came to their conclusion. :no:


you fucking propogater of Incest...you disgust me

[GQ Menace]

you fucking propogater of Incest...you disgust me
ya what he said lol :p

[methodman535]

you fucking propogater of Incest...you disgust me


Go hump a cow.

[GQ Menace]

Go hump a cow.now now lets leave the poor cows out of this, they already have their hands full with that whole mad cow disease.

[methodman535]

shit mang, u all still goin on about this. Its ur life do what u feel is right, marry ur cousin if u like. There is probably some fools u cant even get it off with their own cousin either.

Im just askin for proof. People who bark their heads off must have some kinda proof for this right? So far I have just seen one vague proof that says that IFFF the family has recessive genes THENN those recessive genes will be 2% more likely to show up in a phenotype. And thats only among first cousins.

Marriage between second cousins is the most common desi marriage among extended families. So this second cousin marriage is legal in the USA in most states, and there is no scientific study that can prove it causes genetic degradation.

[g.ucci.b.ebe]

marryin ur cuzin is wrong

[Cunard]

this is still going on????

holy fuck! different cultures have different norms......end of discussion i would think......or is that too complex for some desis?



:Paper:

[GQ Menace]

Im just askin for proof. People who bark their heads off must have some kinda proof for this right? So far I have just seen one vague proof that says that IFFF the family has recessive genes THENN those recessive genes will be 2% more likely to show up in a phenotype. And thats only among first cousins.

Marriage between second cousins is the most common desi marriage among extended families. So this second cousin marriage is legal in the USA in most states, and there is no scientific study that can prove it causes genetic degradation.
dawg i dont know why u stressin over this, fuck it. Do it if u feel its right, iam sure who ever ur arguin with isnt that perfect either. U ancestors did it so whats wrong if u do it. I mean personally i was brought up in north america so i feel its wrong but u have ur freedom to do what u want. I think ur trying to convince urself its right instead of wrong. Maybe this arguement is U against U.

[GQ Menace]

this is still going on????

holy fuck! different cultures have different norms......end of discussion i would think......or is that too complex for some desis?



:Paper:i guess indocanadians were the only ones who stood inline when god was handing out brains lol. Big up,lol.

[GQ Menace]

marryin ur cuzin is wrongthank god we're not cousins,lol.

[Pardesi_bhai]

i dont got a problem ;)

[methodman535]

dawg i dont know why u stressin over this, fuck it. Do it if u feel its right, iam sure who ever ur arguin with isnt that perfect either. U ancestors did it so whats wrong if u do it. I mean personally i was brought up in north america so i feel its wrong but u have ur freedom to do what u want. I think ur trying to convince urself its right instead of wrong. Maybe this arguement is U against U.


I dont give a flying fuck about culture or religion regarding this. My argument is just against the fucktards that come up with "scientific" evidence against it. Each and every one of em babbles and barks their head off about it but cant seem to even comprehend the genetic studies they keep screaming about. I just want the dumbasses to back up what they say. Thats all. Understand?

Oh and I dont wanna marry any of my first cousins or second cousins, my parents didnt do it either and nobody in my family marries first cousins. nor have they ever...just distant "far cousins".

You shit for brains preaching fuckers should be able to back up everything you believe in. if you are a religious nutcase back it up by your book of fairy tales. If you are some kinda wannabe modern science fan then back it up with a CONCRETE explanation involving genetics and mutation or even statistics, you all keep claiming theres stats out there but very few of you can even point to valid ones.

[adren@line]

arsis have been a 100% urban, inner city comminty for centuries. They have been eating garbage urban indian style filth for generations.

what the hell are you talking about. Indian food is pretty healthy (especially the veggie stuff).

Their genes deteriorated in many ways because of that. They drink like fish too. And so you actually have ANYTHING on paper that shows that they have higher than average rates of disease. And also...there are 120,000 parsees in India and 80,000 in Iran. The Irani Zoroastroans do not have any health problems do they?

Well, I dont have anything on paper but its just a well known fact that they inbreed like Pakis, perhaps worse. Im sure if I looked I could find something.

And also, the Iranian Zors do not inbreed nearly on the same level as the Parsis, if even at all.

And also the little amount of cross breeding that the Irani Zoroastroans did was with their old racial kin, the cross breeding done by Bombay parsees is with random Indians who are much much further removed from their gene pool.

You could say South Asians in general. The Paki guy who sells chaat in Karachi is in no better shape than the same guy who sells it in Bombay. The majority of South Asians are in bad health, it has nothing to do with religion.

[adren@line]

So what if mostly muslims support it? Its been scientifically proven officially by long and hard genetic studies that it is NOT bad for the gene pool no matter how many first cousin marriages a family goes through and for however long. So anyone's biological argument against it is crock and it always was...how ridiculous to assume that just mating with one's cousin..who is from the same roots is suddenly gunny fuck up the baby's dna? If anything it will bring out recessive traits over the generations and cleanse the lineage of those undesirable characterisics..especially if the bad traits are fatal and recessive.

And as far as being disgusted by it...well then a person can marry a second cousin they have never seen or a non cousin.
are your parents first cousins?

[methodman535]

what the hell are you talking about. Indian food is pretty healthy (especially the veggie stuff).



I was refering to urban indian food. As in junk food that is sold to urbanized middle and upper middle class people. People in villages have always had better food and health than urbanites, always. I dont know of a single place on this planet where people in urban areas have better diet or health than those in the suburbs or villages nearby. Not a single place. And what is so healthy about Indian food? The legumes? Its mostly just starch with almost zero vegetables and the few vegetables that people eat in cities have been overcooked to the point of being useless. The diet in Bombay that the parsees feed on is garbage...it just takes a few generations of eating filth before it permanently affects you genes.



Well, I dont have anything on paper but its just a well known fact that they inbreed like Pakis, perhaps worse. Im sure if I looked I could find something.

And also, the Iranian Zors do not inbreed nearly on the same level as the Parsis, if even at all.



You have no clue if they do or not, the only known fact here is that they have a smaller gene pool than the indopak zoroastrans. And is there even any kind of scientific study that attributes parsee genetic defects specifically to inbreeding? And explains why? So far the only rational sounding article I have seen is one that says IFFF there is a recessive undesireable characteristic in a family tree and then FIRST COUSINS marry the chance of a retard being born for example goes up from 2% ro 4%. This actually does not explain, but in fact contradicts genetic degradation of parsees over a few centuries because if this were true then the bad genes would be filtered out amongst parsees FASTER than in the general population.




You could say South Asians in general. The Paki guy who sells chaat in Karachi is in no better shape than the same guy who sells it in Bombay. The majority of South Asians are in bad health, it has nothing to do with religion.


Who said it had anything to do with religion? I said it has a lot to do with diet and genetics. South Asians who eat meat and dairy, which would be pakis and punjabis, generally are more fit than the other starch eating and veggie heating ones. Its just incidental that they happen to be non hindus.

[MissBangladesh00]

Hmm, marry my cousin? Maybe not, in my case that is...but Ive seen it happen guys...besides your kid getting some sad illness that could have been avoided then..not that bad... :rolleyes:

[hollisterdesi]

method u said ur family still marries distant cousins...thats fine, u do that. But again, I don't like to marry family.

I'm not afraid of weak family bonds or wut not b/c I'm going to be the head of my household and I will build ties and relationships and wut not. Anyhow,I read ur stuff. I understand ur point. But some of us dont have the time to look up evidence and wut not. We just post wuts on our minds. Im sry of u dont like it, but a large amount of ppl do it and theres nothing YOU can do about it except whine and curse like u did in ur other post. But w/e. I hope a few pts have been proven. That its a Muslim tradition today, that nonMuslims generally shun it, and that there is a decent amount of evidence against it.

[methodman535]

I dunno what makes you think I want to do anything about it. If people fuck themselves up and their gene pools through ignorance about genetics and diet and pollution and compatability I wouldnt care, doesnt effect me.

Only reason I cursed at people was cuz everyone was acting all acedemic about it, at least the ones I cursed, but when you ask them to explain exactly what they believed in they were as clueless as some retard who quotes a holy book when it came to their explanations.

But actually you are right, I cant do a thing about cluelessness but I dont care, I just wanted an explanation for my own curioisity.

[adren@line]

I was refering to urban indian food. As in junk food that is sold to urbanized middle and upper middle class people. People in villages have always had better food and health than urbanites, always. I dont know of a single place on this planet where people in urban areas have better diet or health than those in the suburbs or villages nearby. Not a single place. And what is so healthy about Indian food? The legumes? Its mostly just starch with almost zero vegetables and the few vegetables that people eat in cities have been overcooked to the point of being useless. The diet in Bombay that the parsees feed on is garbage...it just takes a few generations of eating filth before it permanently affects you genes

The fact that they eat "urban junk food" has nothing to do with it then. EVERYONE eats this stuff who lives in any city or 1st world country. You cant even use that as a reason of thier over abundance of diseases and conditions, because then you could use that same excuse for many other things.

While diet is important, I seriously doubt that is the main culprit with the Parsis. There has to be another factor.




Who said it had anything to do with religion? I said it has a lot to do with diet and genetics. South Asians who eat meat and dairy, which would be pakis and punjabis, generally are more fit than the other starch eating and veggie heating ones. Its just incidental that they happen to be non hindus.


I knew youd say that. Meat means they might be bigger and have a larger stature. But eating meat also has its fair share of problems. Meat eaters have just as many, if not more health problems than vegetarians. The main problem with vegetarians is that in many cases they do not get enough protien.

Couple that with the poor quality of food to begin with and the pollution and what not, and it still holds true that South Asians, in general, are not known for being healthy or strong, and that includes Pakis and Punjabis. They arent really known to be any healthier than other Indians, its just a generalization. They are just bigger, so people assume they are healthier.

btw Im a meat eater myself.

[drop_it]

sorry guys, but thats kinda not cool, or......sick

[reaz]

Umm method, did u read that girl's post where her relatives had 3 kids (cousin marriage) and all 3 were mentally disabled?

The fact that there is a risk involved and that my ppl and tradition are against it is enuff to keep me away from it. Dumb ppl here have argued about the risk of diseases such as AIDS with noncousin marriages as wel, but cousins can have AIDS too...and its called the HIV test, u dnt have 2 marry a girl w/o knowing. In either case yeah. This is how I feel.

you're a contradiction wrapped in ignorance. lol

at one hand you're saying that AIDs can be prevented by checking but at the other hand you're refusing to believe that genetic disorders can be avoided simply by genetic testing/counselling?

am i right? read your post. dont call people dumb in order to heighten your sense of security.

in short just like you dont have to marry a girl without testing, you dont have to marry a cousin without checking.

[methodman535]

The fact that they eat "urban junk food" has nothing to do with it then. EVERYONE eats this stuff who lives in any city or 1st world country. You cant even use that as a reason of thier over abundance of diseases and conditions, because then you could use that same excuse for many other things.

While diet is important, I seriously doubt that is the main culprit with the Parsis. There has to be another factor.



You didnt pay attention to what I said originally. I said the parsees have been living a metropolitan, urban life for 700 years. Thats 30 generations. 90% of the other inhabitants of Bombay have interbred with new arrivals from villages and the ones who become unhealthy do not reproduce in urbania as much as the indians rejuvinated with fresh blood. The parsees never had any new blood coming in to their gene pool.

The "inbreeding" that you spoke of should only make a 2% diffrence in the phenotypes of the parsees. I am quoting the articles that people have pointed to, all the article was able to say was that the incident of mental retardation in the offspring(phenotype) would go from 2% to 4% if cousins marry. Now....it will not alter the number of total genomes in the gene pool, it will just alter the proportion of recessive phenotypes.

So as you can see this "inbreeding" argument holds no logic.

Where is the logic...nobody seems to be able to explain it or point to any articles that explain it either. Do you people believe anything that comes out of anyone elses asses or what?

[Poeman]

eww

[hollisterdesi]

you're a contradiction wrapped in ignorance. lol

at one hand you're saying that AIDs can be prevented by checking but at the other hand you're refusing to believe that genetic disorders can be avoided simply by genetic testing/counselling?

am i right? read your post. dont call people dumb in order to heighten your sense of security.

in short just like you dont have to marry a girl without testing, you dont have to marry a cousin without checking.


I am a new way of thinking, coated in sugar, and dipped in chocolate. You can't "test" for genetic disorders. The human genome was mapped barely a few yrs ago, not enuff is known to find about such things. Aids can be tested for, but with cousins, theres no way to find out if sumthing bad will not happen, and when u have intercourse with them, u are putting urself in a higher risk, like having sex w/o a condom and having penetration. Ask any legit doctor here in the US, and I can gurantee u, that he will mention high risks of disorders and what not.

[SholaShabnam]

damn this post is still alive and well

[hollisterdesi]

W/e happened to just marrying someone and not requiring blood relations.... :eek:

I wonder where method n all em are...hmm...method, wut were ur playoff pix this week lol? did u win any?

[reaz]

I am a new way of thinking, coated in sugar, and dipped in chocolate. You can't "test" for genetic disorders. The human genome was mapped barely a few yrs ago, not enuff is known to find about such things. Aids can be tested for, but with cousins, theres no way to find out if sumthing bad will not happen, and when u have intercourse with them, u are putting urself in a higher risk, like having sex w/o a condom and having penetration. Ask any legit doctor here in the US, and I can gurantee u, that he will mention high risks of disorders and what not.

idiot. genetic testing is basically tracing your family history for genetic disorders. dont tell me you did not know that. it's as simple as asking, do you have a history of "blah and blah syndrome" in the family?

[lilbugger]

You're assuming you grew up together.

Let's say you didn't, your not that close, and you're "of age". :?


ur not of age Aniq....u dont have a full-time job, plus im older than u and im still not "of age"

[hollisterdesi]

idiot. genetic testing is basically tracing your family history for genetic disorders. dont tell me you did not know that. it's as simple as asking, do you have a history of "blah and blah syndrome" in the family?

lol u dnt need 2 resort to name calling 2 get ur weak point across. but anyhow, since we all supposedly stemmed from the same person/people in the way beginning, its likely that we all have SOME kind of disorder in our families, whether or not it has shown up a lot or not isn't as important as the fact that its still there, and the risk is still there.

[methodman535]

W/e happened to just marrying someone and not requiring blood relations.... :eek:

I wonder where method n all em are...hmm...method, wut were ur playoff pix this week lol? did u win any?

Are you kidding me? Everyone else was shoving their real goods down their cams, you think my cartoon peckers would be winners with anyone?

[reaz]

lol u dnt need 2 resort to name calling 2 get ur weak point across. but anyhow, since we all supposedly stemmed from the same person/people in the way beginning, its likely that we all have SOME kind of disorder in our families, whether or not it has shown up a lot or not isn't as important as the fact that its still there, and the risk is still there.

i take the liberty of calling you an idiot since you think it's ok to call others who disagree "dumb"

same person/people? that's creationism. i thought you were against that kind of stuff. dont use a restricted subset of thought when trying to argue. we can not be certain we came from the same people/person since some of us dont believe in creationism. but i agree that we have some kind of genetic anomaly. which is why the risks associated with marrying a non cousin is only 2% lower than marrying a cousin. genetic disorders may surface between marriages of non-cousins too.

i think the problem with this topic is the issue of the incest taboo. some people consider it incest and will go to no lengths to shun it and some ppl dont consider it incest and will be more accepting. i admit i am of the latter category. i dont lobby strongly for it though. but i am certainly not labelling it incest.

the genetic argument is really hype. even scientists admit that the increase in risk is overrated.

[hollisterdesi]

i take the liberty of calling you an idiot since you think it's ok to call others who disagree "dumb"

same person/people? that's creationism. i thought you were against that kind of stuff. dont use a restricted subset of thought when trying to argue. we can not be certain we came from the same people/person since some of us dont believe in creationism. but i agree that we have some kind of genetic anomaly. which is why the risks associated with marrying a non cousin is only 2% lower than marrying a cousin. genetic disorders may surface between marriages of non-cousins too.

i think the problem with this topic is the issue of the incest taboo. some people consider it incest and will go to no lengths to shun it and some ppl dont consider it incest and will be more accepting. i admit i am of the latter category. i dont lobby strongly for it though. but i am certainly not labelling it incest.

the genetic argument is really hype. even scientists admit that the increase in risk is overrated.


I dont do namecalling anymore so I ask that u respect that and not do the same to me.

Anyhow, well even if u dont believe in creationism thats fine, but we all have very similar genes. Now Idk where u got this 2% figure from, and maybe the scientists ur citing are ones who are partial to marrying family, but I for one have read numerous articles against the dangers of marrying family. THere is a risk with noncousins too, but a less likely one (very probable that its not 2%). Now ur right about the incest issue. Society has grown to reject it for the most part.

[WildWolfdog]

I don't see anything wrong with it .. i read this thread up to page 15 lol .. from what i have read even though it was a long read ... the deficiency is only 2-4% .. and the thing bout "sister - brother" not all of em are and its easier and more comfortable to get along with a lot of them, since u know them .. and intimacy can be formed with almost anyone if ur willing to try .. sides a lot of my larki cousins are very pretty :elaugh:

[desi_balla63]

I don't see anything wrong with it .. i read this thread up to page 15 lol .. from what i have read even though it was a long read ... the deficiency is only 2-4% .. and the thing bout "sister - brother" not all of em are and its easier and more comfortable to get along with a lot of them, since u know them .. and intimacy can be formed with almost anyone if ur willing to try .. sides a lot of my larki cousins are very pretty :elaugh:

:yes:



...dont worry, I'll give the promised :Pelvic: later.

[MolviCorleone]

what i dont get is why HINDU people make a miockery and say muslims marry cousins........the pakiz marry cousins and get that from thier old INDIAN culture.......its not custom to marry cousins.......the prophets wife Khadija wasnt his cousin.......these people are running away from thier own culture.

Cousin does not mean sister brother

it means relatives

we marry the ones who we are allowed to islamically

u go to south of india and peepz marry cows and thier own grandmothers......incest and beastiality at one fucking go

[gujiguy2k4]

i think theres a scientific reason behind why you shoudnt marry your cousin or ur relative in that case.. coz the blood doesnt mix well.. i was taught this like 5 years ago..

[WildWolfdog]

:yes:



...dont worry, I'll give the promised :Pelvic: later.

lol how's ur situation .. since u made the thread, are u more for it or against it eh?

[gap_employee]

marrying your cousin or any family member is just nasty. if you think it's ok, then you're a freak. btw, your kids are gonna have down syndrome, and other chromosomal abnormalities.

[simply_toxic]

I know its been done, but this time I'm going to pay attention.

Do you think its wrong? Would you, if put in that situation, do it?
its not wrong. and i HAVE been put in that situation. this winter when i went to BD my nana told me about how he has "plans" on getting me married to my cousin later on in the future. at first i was weirded out because i was one of those people who thought marrying your cousin is sick and gross & blah blah.. but after i met him and realized hes probably the best looking bengali guy i've seen so far..and the fact that we connected really well, i was like oh fcuk americans ..im glad im muslim. so yeh theres chance, if i don't find someone by the time im 25, i'll probably end up marrying my cousin

[mr$ lloyd bank$]

Well I Could Neva Marry 1 of Ma Cousins...

[MolviCorleone]

every1 in this wholeeeeee world is related.

[reaz]

I dont do namecalling anymore so I ask that u respect that and not do the same to me.

Anyhow, well even if u dont believe in creationism thats fine, but we all have very similar genes. Now Idk where u got this 2% figure from, and maybe the scientists ur citing are ones who are partial to marrying family, but I for one have read numerous articles against the dangers of marrying family. THere is a risk with noncousins too, but a less likely one (very probable that its not 2%). Now ur right about the incest issue. Society has grown to reject it for the most part.

The sources have been cited over and over again. Research based on statistics rather than observation are pretty objective. I would not discredit people who publish their research. Not unless they are blatantly wrong but in that case their papers would not be published. The risk with marrying non cousins is around 4%. The risks associated with marrying cousins is 6%. Those are the approximate results.

[methodman535]

what the hell are you talking about. Indian food is pretty healthy (especially the veggie stuff).


Wrong, Indian food is one of the unhealthiest foods in existence if you consider the way its cooked in some parts of India/pak. Only in a few places is it very healthy. And I dont know what you mean by the veggie stuff...most indians hardly eat any veggies, its mostly grains and legumes.



Well, I dont have anything on paper but its just a well known fact that they inbreed like Pakis, perhaps worse. Im sure if I looked I could find something.

And also, the Iranian Zors do not inbreed nearly on the same level as the Parsis, if even at all.



You dont have anything on the web either. Even rumors can be seen on the web but so far you came up with nothing.



You could say South Asians in general. The Paki guy who sells chaat in Karachi is in no better shape than the same guy who sells it in Bombay.



Wong. South Asians in general are not in the exact same shape. The ones in the northwest are in far far better health than the ones in the south and the east and the southeast.



The majority of South Asians are in bad health, it has nothing to do with religion.

I didnt say it had a thing to do with religion. It has to do with region and diet. Religious corelations are purely coincidental.

[tarboush]

wow. this thread really turned into a great opportunity for some people to show muslims as incest practicing freaks

[El_Diablo]

every1 in this wholeeeeee world is related.

Shit man u know you would make a top lil bruva!

But on the point, it depends if your a creationist or an evolutionist... We (creationists) believe in Aadam (as), Evolutionists dont.

[adren@line]

Wrong, Indian food is one of the unhealthiest foods in existence if you consider the way its cooked in some parts of India/pak. Only in a few places is it very healthy. And I dont know what you mean by the veggie stuff...most indians hardly eat any veggies, its mostly grains and legumes.

i dont know what kind of crap you eat but Indian food is known to be healthy, especially the vegie stuff.

And Indian food doesnt have veggies?
Do you read what you write?
Have you ever been to south India?

Do you EAT Indian food?

You dont have anything on the web either. Even rumors can be seen on the web but so far you came up with nothing.
Because I dont care to search for it. Ive read something somewhere, all a while back before that led me to my conclusions and I am sticking to them.

Wong. South Asians in general are not in the exact same shape. The ones in the northwest are in far far better health than the ones in the south and the east and the southeast.

No they are not. At all. They are bigger and fatter, which does not mean they are healthier.

[paulie walnuts]

Parsis have been a 100% urban, inner city comminty for centuries. They have been eating garbage urban indian style filth for generations. Their genes deteriorated in many ways because of that. They drink like fish too. And so you actually have ANYTHING on paper that shows that they have higher than average rates of disease. And also...there are 120,000 parsees in India and 80,000 in Iran. The Irani Zoroastroans do not have any health problems do they? And also the little amount of cross breeding that the Irani Zoroastroans did was with their old racial kin, the cross breeding done by Bombay parsees is with random Indians who are much much further removed from their gene pool.
you are blaming it on their diet and alleged alcoholism? Lol

since when have you heard a single thing about Irani parsis for you to be able to conclude if they have faulty genes or not? Answer: you haven’t, and you’re totally speculating.


Mutations are when a gene becomes different from the parents gene either by radiation, or malnutrition. Disease? The most diseased people in india are 600 million hindus...who NEVER marry their cousins. Honestly, they are the sickest people in the world with the exception of some parts of Africa.
You are focusing on diet, which is an entirely separate issue. The issue at hand is a faulty gene pool resulting from cousin marriages. You are effectively trying to argue that it’s a false assertion because well-fed parsis that marry their cousins are healthier than malnourished non-parsis that do not. What kind of idiotic logic is this? The accurate comparison is between parsis and non-parsis of approximately similar wealth and with similar diets.

your 600 million diseased and sickly Hindu statistic is based on what now? i'd bet my bottom dollar you whipped out your British diet diagram and pulled a number out of your ass. a) if you're basing this off consumption of meat, you fail to realize that over 80% of Hindus are meat eaters.

b) the real correlation is level of wealth. and again you fail to realize that India's poorest population is the Muslim population. you should think about adjusting your statistic. :)

A perfect example? Hmm...lets see now. The mean IQ of the Bombay Parsees runs at between 120 and 125. The mean IQ of the average Indian is 82. So unless you have statistics from 450 years ago which proved the Parsee IQ was higher I cant really see how you came to this conclusion!
What does IQ have to do with anything? Again, you are launching into back-up arguments, and it is only revealing your admission that I am right. You have shifted to arguing that cousin fuckers are better than non cousin fuckers. That’s great, but we’re talking about susceptibility to syndromes, conditions, diseasesed, mutation, etc….not IQ

Also, your statistics (which are probably faulty) are far more reflective of wealth level than anything, let alone the totally unrelated issue of whether or not they fuck their cousins. Parsis are the wealthiest prominent community in India (per capita). As such, they are well-nourished, highly-educated, etc.

Theres no need to make irrelevant points. It makes you look very insecure.

In iran there are about 80,000 Parsees(Zoroastroans). They obviously have been interbreeding even more since they have a smaller gene pool by far. Why do they have no problems whatsoever? Why did only the Indian side get fucked up if they are the exact same gene pool following the exact same breeding patterns?
Again, you have no idea about the genetic status of Irani parsis, so don’t pretend like you do.

Indian parsees are not “fucked up”…nobody said they are walking around diseased and mutated. The context of this argument is still a small minority of any community. Don’t exaggerate.


I dont give a flying fuck about culture or religion regarding this. My argument is just against the fucktards that come up with "scientific" evidence against it. Each and every one of em babbles and barks their head off about it but cant seem to even comprehend the genetic studies they keep screaming about. I just want the dumbasses to back up what they say. Thats all. Understand?

Oh and I dont wanna marry any of my first cousins or second cousins, my parents didnt do it either and nobody in my family marries first cousins. nor have they ever...just distant "far cousins".

You shit for brains preaching fuckers should be able to back up everything you believe in. if you are a religious nutcase back it up by your book of fairy tales. If you are some kinda wannabe modern science fan then back it up with a CONCRETE explanation involving genetics and mutation or even statistics, you all keep claiming theres stats out there but very few of you can even point to valid ones.
See now, your raging passion on this subject seems to indicate that you are a product of a first-cousin marriage, and you are highly offended by the assertion that you may be have mental or physical defects, etc. etc. Like I said, it merely raises the chances, and still only affects a minority. Why do you refute commonly accepted and virtually non-debated scientific fact? You demand proof like this is some sort of two-sided issue with many proponents of both arguments. Not the case, your rejection of this explanation seems to be based on desire for it to be untrue, rather than any credible alternate theory.



Wrong, Indian food is one of the unhealthiest foods in existence if you consider the way its cooked in some parts of India/pak. Only in a few places is it very healthy. And I dont know what you mean by the veggie stuff...most indians hardly eat any veggies, its mostly grains and legumes.
I noticed your total lack of knowledge on Indian dietary habits in another thread where you claimed Indian vegetarians hardly consume dairy, despite India being a mass consumer of milk and milk products (yogurt, buttermilk, butter/ghee, paneer, etc.)

Similarly, you have no idea what you are talking about with regard to non-consumption of vegetables. What do you think they eat? Daal and chapati? The MAIN “course” in any Indian veg. meal is vegetable based. I would go as far as to say that I doubt any country in the world has a higher per capita consumption of vegetables than India, certainly not ANY country west of India…perhaps some East Asian nations. The amount of vegetables they eat is incredible…from eggplant, okra, radish, white pumpkin, carrots, onions, etc.

Of course, if you are including Indians that go to sleep starving, then you’re right, they don’t eat vegetables…or anything else for that matter.

Wong. South Asians in general are not in the exact same shape. The ones in the northwest are in far far better health than the ones in the south and the east and the southeast.

“far far better” health? Why are ALL of Pakistan’s human development indexes worse than India’s? your “far far healthier” Pakistanis have a lower life expectancy for both men and women than India’s diseased, sickly vegetarian hindus. Stop getting your info from 200 year old illogical British surveys.

[hottie4lyfe]

so what most of you are trying to say is that practically all muslims have some sort of disease??? ya i agree w/ some of you who say that marrying cousins is wrong...but why dnt u guyz look at it from muslimz point of view?? and one point that someone made out to me when i was debating this issue was that cousins don't have the same blood...IT'S DIFFERENT!! he had a point...i couldn't say anything after this...i mean just think about it...cousins have different parents..!!! ;) anywayz..everyone has different views on this issue...so it will never be solved..espeically in a forum...

[hottie4lyfe]

cuz they're yur blood

cousins are not the same blood....it's differnt parents..you SIBLINGS have the same blood