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DJDaNGeR
December 30th, 2004, 11:29 PM
i know cardio can cause some muscle loss, but can it cause drastic muscle loss? im asking cuz i bulked from 125 to like 171-172 and now i have cut down to almost 148..but it seems i have lost muscle. not sure how much but i can tell i have. a wild guess would be like i lost 8-9 lb muscle and 13-14 lb fat. now is that too much muscle? again to look really lean i might have to lose like 6-7 lb more..so maybe 2 more lb of muscle. My question is, is this too much muscle loss? I am taking care that i take around 1 - 1.2 gm protein per lb of body weight and I do weight training with heavy weights in order to retain muscle mass. So why am I losing? Any insights?

BoNeThuG
December 30th, 2004, 11:30 PM
GO TO A ****** TRAINER, stop askng these bamas they dont know... jeez man.

i use a trainer and do sessions just go to one stop asking these indians

Mohammad
December 30th, 2004, 11:31 PM
Go shoot some roids up your ass then you roid monkey!

DJDaNGeR
December 30th, 2004, 11:31 PM
GO TO A ****** TRAINER, stop askng these bamas they dont know... jeez man.

i use a trainer and do sessions just go to one stop asking these indians
dude wats wrong if i get opinion from people? never hurts to know

reaz
December 30th, 2004, 11:32 PM
GO TO A ****** TRAINER, stop askng these bamas they dont know... jeez man.

i use a trainer and do sessions just go to one stop asking these indians

are you paki?

DJDaNGeR
December 31st, 2004, 12:09 AM
are you paki?
he prolly is...lol cuz all the time he *stresses* that INDIANS dont know anything bout workouts, indians can't bench X lbs etc

krazy_desi187
December 31st, 2004, 12:12 AM
dude... go to the body building forums.. u'll get a much better answer there hence its about body building...

kg3000
December 31st, 2004, 12:15 AM
Its not that much muscle loss, it just feels that way. Doing cardio just changes the type of muscle you have, you might loss a littlle but you shouldn't get that much weaker. Make sure to mix up your workouts, also make sure never to do cardio and weights right after each other, if you want to do them in the same day just do one in the morn and one at night.

bigbobs
December 31st, 2004, 12:17 AM
Yes, you can lose a significant amount of muscle if you don't do cardio and diet right.

I'm leaving the house right now for a bit, I'll try to reply with better details in a few hours...

Mohammad
December 31st, 2004, 12:19 AM
Yes, you can lose a significant amount of muscle if you don't do cardio and diet right.

I'm leaving the house right now for a bit, I'll try to reply with better details in a few hours...


Ya listen to this guy! Shoots up alotta roids!

DJDaNGeR
December 31st, 2004, 12:35 AM
Yes, you can lose a significant amount of muscle if you don't do cardio and diet right.

I'm leaving the house right now for a bit, I'll try to reply with better details in a few hours...
yeah dude shoot ur advice..lol even if i become half of u thats more than an achievement

methodman535
December 31st, 2004, 01:14 AM
GO TO A ****** TRAINER, stop askng these bamas they dont know... jeez man.

i use a trainer and do sessions just go to one stop asking these indians
Hahah yeah half the board looks like starvation victims, whatever advice is given here you probly wanna do the exact opposite to bulk up haha.

DJDaNGeR
December 31st, 2004, 01:37 AM
Hahah yeah half the board looks like starvation victims, whatever advice is given here you probly wanna do the exact opposite to bulk up haha.
well there are a few in here who are into body-building..

SIXPAK GQ
December 31st, 2004, 01:47 AM
if an individual is serious about workouts, diets, etc. he/she would find a professional forum to discuss not RD.

pachaas Paisa
December 31st, 2004, 02:06 AM
On a low carbohydrate diet, you burn a higher proportion from fat
Endurance can be reduced up to 50% until body adapts so
adaptation to a low carbohydrate diet is possible if calories from protein and fat are sufficient if calories are not sufficient, lean tissue (muscle) is utilized by gluconeogenesis (conversion of protein to glucose)

now if ure taking enough carbohydrate in then you're not taking in enough protein. during cardio work out your body utilizes protein also. so key factor is eat like an animal if you're doing intense cardio workout.

another thing, your muscle cells do get smaller if you keep them inactive so best way to keep lean muscle is to lift after cardiovascular workouts.

enjoy

bigbobs
December 31st, 2004, 02:34 AM
i know cardio can cause some muscle loss, but can it cause drastic muscle loss? im asking cuz i bulked from 125 to like 171-172 and now i have cut down to almost 148..but it seems i have lost muscle. not sure how much but i can tell i have. a wild guess would be like i lost 8-9 lb muscle and 13-14 lb fat. now is that too much muscle? again to look really lean i might have to lose like 6-7 lb more..so maybe 2 more lb of muscle. My question is, is this too much muscle loss? I am taking care that i take around 1 - 1.2 gm protein per lb of body weight and I do weight training with heavy weights in order to retain muscle mass. So why am I losing? Any insights?

It's almost impossible to gain muscle (or bulk up) without gaining fat, and likewise it's almost impossible to lose fat without losing some muscle as well. But if you don't train and eat right, you'll burn more muscle than necessary when dieting, or add more fat than necessary when bulking.

You said you're taking 1 to 1.2 g protein / lb bodyweight. That's actually considered the lower end of the range of optimal protein intake when bulking, but when cutting it needs to be even higher, to give your body enough protein from your diet to burn so that it resorts to burnign muscle for protein to a lesser degree. Instead, many experts recomment up to 2 grams per pound bodyweight when on a low carb diet. Depending on how much cardio you're doing, at what intensity, and how many carbs and fats you were eating, your relatively low protein intake could have been a major reason for losing more muscle than you liked.

Another common pitfall is doing long sessions of cardio at high intensity. Athletes who take part in marathons train this way, and the results are evident from their skinny musculature. Instead, you should go for higher duration, but lower intensity. Do about 30-60 minutes per session (preferrably 45-60) at moderate intensity. You shouldn't be huffing and puffing. For example, ride the bike at 65 rpm's or walk on an incline rather than jog. Low to moderate intensity cardio for higher durations will burn more fat and less muscle than high intensity cardio at low or high durations.

Naturally, you're fighting against your body's norm when you try to achieve a lean, muscular physique. Once you've bulked up and you try to lose weight, your body is more likely to burn muscle than another guy who has not built excess muscle above his body's norm. So to do so, bodybuilders need to take extreme care in terms of macronutrient intake and amount and intensity of cardio to minimize muscle loss. In contrast, for one who is just a slob and hasn't gained much muscle to begin with from working out with weights, he can do almost any diet and cardio regimen and will get good results from it. So the above advice is for someone who has gained significant muscle, and therefore its not entirely applicable to any girl or guy who just wants to lose fat and isn't muscular underneath.

kg3000
December 31st, 2004, 02:38 AM
bigbobs, how much do you put up???

bigbobs
December 31st, 2004, 02:41 AM
bigbobs, how much do you put up???

Hey KG, sorry I actually don't like to say, simply because anyone can make claims that can't be backed up as to how much they can lift. I could say, for example, that I bench 300 lbs, or 400 lbs, or something in between, and if I said either one some would believe me and some wouldn't, while others would claim they themselves can, or know someone who can, lift more. Also, I could be lying or telling the truth, no one would know. Simply quoting a number also doesn't tell much because everyone uses different form, cheats to a different degree, which you can't learn from simply quoting a number. I prefer to let pictures do the talking instead.

kg3000
December 31st, 2004, 02:44 AM
Hey KG, sorry I actually don't like to say, simply because anyone can make claims that can't be backed up as to how much they can lift. I could say, for example, that I bench 300 lbs, or 400 lbs, or something in between, and if I said either one some would believe me and some wouldn't, while others would claim they themselves can, or know someone who can, lift more. Also, I could be lying or telling the truth, no one would know. Simply quoting a number also doesn't tell much because everyone uses different form, cheats to a different degree, which you can't learn from simply quoting a number. I prefer to let pictures do the talking instead.

no prob, just wondeirng, because I am almost your size. Just wanted to compare hit me up on AIM or yahoo. my sn on both is kumar86

bigbobs
December 31st, 2004, 02:45 AM
no prob, just wondeirng, because I am almost your size. Just wanted to compare hit me up on AIM or yahoo. my sn on both is kumar86

Actually i don't have either...but I do have msn its bober_raja@hotmail.com if u use that you can add me.

methodman535
January 6th, 2005, 04:47 PM
well there are a few in here who are into body-building..

Yeah and did any of those few make it from skeleton to musclebound? Probly not.

Aurovon
January 15th, 2005, 07:49 PM
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

im scared to lose muscle when i start doing cardio..but i shall jog like 3 miles every other day at most so it should be ok...