The India-Pakistan hatred

[browntime]

I don't know about you, but the hatred between these two countries sickens me. It may be one thing for people living there, but for North Americans to bring that hate over here? Is that really necessary? I got friends from both countries and although my Pakistani friends are extremely patriotic and say things that I think are lame, I just let it slide as I see no point starting an "India-Pakistan" argument. People here are always like "I love Pakistan, greatest country on earth" so I'm wondering "So why aren't you living there?". Same goes for Indians too.

I love my culture and all, but culture doesn't mean to bring hatred over. I hate to see people on this very site go "I'm rating you a 1 because you are a dirty paki"

Lamewads.

[Gunslinger]

OH yaar Khuda Ka Khauf karo If All Pakistanis and Indians went back where would your country get the benefits from foriegn currency and how the hell would you take care of the already overcrowding in our countries due to overpopulation. lol

[browntime]

I never said to send them back haha.

I'm just saying if anyone has blind hatred they should just go back there. Pakistanis and Indians get along just fine around here :)

[Gunslinger]

Oh ya true. We get along. No doubt.

[ilostamothfknbet]

uhm yea we "get along" but the minute there IS an opportunity for one side to hate on the other-it's usually taken..maybe it's only a minority, but it still happens here even with American born Indian/Paki kids..

[browntime]

uhm yea we "get along" but the minute there IS an opportunity for one side to hate on the other-it's usually taken..maybe it's only a minority, but it still happens here even with American born Indian/Paki kids..

I think that's something we can all improve upon. That's more blind patriotism if anything, its natural to defend your background but the arguments I hear theres more "offending" than anything.

[ilostamothfknbet]

I think that's something we can all improve upon. That's more blind patriotism if anything, its natural to defend your background but the arguments I hear theres more "offending" than anything.

yea, that's exactly what i mean, we can all improve in that respect..& it IS natural to defend your background but the thing that gets me pissed is defending by OFFENDING another's culture..that's just disrespectful. even when ppl start saying shiet about my culture, although it gets me sooooooo mad, i try not to stoop to their level by using the same lame ass insults back at them.."be the change you want to see in the world.." -gandhi

[MiSta InDia]

i dont let what other people say get to me. i do have some paki friends that like to diss out india. but theres really no point in saying shit to them or anything that will tend to be the same shit their saying about my country. so i just tell em seriously wants the point? your not getting shit out of saying all this shit about India. Oh and im sure it makes you look like a tough guy. yea...
fuk em :D

[fattygirl]

hmm....i m confused, wat i m bout to say mite be totaly wrong ....there is this old indian ANTIE living next to us, umm...u kno how she was doin her puja n stuff in her Mandir , she told ma mom to come join ....cuz a couple of other hindus were there, and ma mom kinda excused herself from this situation...since umm...this is their religious occasions and puja, why should a person wid anotha religion be invited...? somtimes da auntie ji says dat ohh "bhagwaaan kay mandir mein aa jaya karo mairay ghar mein, sukoon milay ga"
is it right if she sayz all dat? da fact dat she kno we are muzlims?
i m not tryin to be racist but wanna clear this out

[Gunslinger]

LOL Wierd situation. I don't think she is wrong. I don't think she is saying that to preach or anything. She just wants to be a good neighbor and invite you. That's what I think. Next time you guys have Eid invite aunty jee over. lol Tell her to experience a bit of your kinda Islamic culture too. It's all cool. No one's preaching over here.

[ilostamothfknbet]

hmm....i m confused, wat i m bout to say mite be totaly wrong ....there is this old indian ANTIE living next to us, umm...u kno how she was doin her puja n stuff in her Mandir , she told ma mom to come join ....cuz a couple of other hindus were there, and ma mom kinda excused herself from this situation...since umm...this is their religious occasions and puja, why should a person wid anotha religion be invited...? somtimes da auntie ji says dat ohh "bhagwaaan kay mandir mein aa jaya karo mairay ghar mein, sukoon milay ga"
is it right if she sayz all dat? da fact dat she kno we are muzlims?
i m not tryin to be racist but wanna clear this out

i don't see anything wrong with that..she's just inviting you to experience a cultural/religious activity..as long as she's not imposing anything, it seems fine to me. personally, i luv going to different religous/cultural events..exposes me to new ideas + things i may have never thought of otherwise..just keep an open mind..
& also..you wouldn't be "racist" since you guys are the same race?? right?

[fattygirl]

eid is koo cuz we jus give out EIDI!! and u kno da guyz go pray in da mosque...so i dun think our occasions would hurt so much...but wat does it mean when a person is inviting u while they are doin their prayers and stuff ? and if she is sayin it for jus a being a good neighbor, why does she keep on reminding us dat ohh....kal hai! aana mat bhoolna!..lol!
beats me....i m not a good thinker when it comes to religion! MERCY!!!

[fattygirl]

i don't see anything wrong with that..she's just inviting you to experience a cultural/religious activity..as long as she's not imposing anything, it seems fine to me. personally, i luv going to different religous/cultural events..exposes me to new ideas + things i may have never thought of otherwise..just keep an open mind..
& also..you wouldn't be "racist" since you guys are the same race?? right?[/quote]

no shibani, i m a muslim and she aint....i lov goin to other cultural events too! all da garbas and stuff...and u kno, hangin out wid diff. relgion people...but when they want me to PRAY wid em or wateva....dats kinda weird

[Gunslinger]

lol Talk to the Auntie up straight. It's hard to tell what's going through an Aunties mind. lol :lol: So I can't really say. It could be a good intention or there could be an evil intention of hurting your culture by making you feel uncomfortable around people who are praying to stuff you don't believe in. I know it gets uncomfortable. But unless you make the stuff clear with Aunty first, let's not say "BAD AUNTIE" lolsssss Talk to her and tell her your cultural restraints and stuff.

[ilostamothfknbet]

no shibani, i m a muslim and she aint....i lov goin to other cultural events too! all da garbas and stuff...and u kno, hangin out wid diff. relgion people...but when they want me to PRAY wid em or wateva....dats kinda weird

yea, i understood that you're muslim and she's not-- so then your RELIGIONS are different, not your race. that's what i was trying to say. and garba is kind of like your praying in a way too, just a different form..but that's cool.

[liquiddreamz]

*sigh*
us KASHMIRI's are stuck in between....

[Gunslinger]

yeah SIGH :( Bachu As masoom as you are trying to look we are devils in disguise lol. Look at yourself in the mirror. You aren't masoom at all.

[Gunslinger]

I meant WE not you sorry lol

[liquiddreamz]

U r not supposed to overthrow over disguise ;) shhhhhhh

[fattygirl]

hmm./..lets jus leave this auntie ji issue! i will solve it....+ i m moving from this place so she mite not be in contact nemore anywayz...but jus in case, i can alwayz talk to her...!
thankx kashmiri guyz and ms. shibani(i lov your name!!)
lol...

[devilz_soul]

ok here is the delima ..i lost 2 uncles and 1 cousin in wars with india.. in addition to that my bro and my father is in Paki Army .. my father was a kid when he saw the trains on lahore border bein burnt and whole train passenger killed .. and the notion that "why cant we be frens with india Papa" dont bring a great smile to my fathers face .. well some one can come up with an answer to that that dont look back .. look to future.. EXCUSE ME .. future?? where if pakistan lose a cricket match to indian is a national mourning .. how can u bridge the gap.... OPEN UP THE BORDERS .. the borders where alomost 2.5 million troops are always staring at each other 365*7*24..

Out side our respective countries no matter how good frens we are .. i have heaps of indian frens and frankly i wud love to go out with an indian then a paki.. but as soon as we step on the soil of our respective countries we are Re-converted to the REligion of hate...
i dont knwo how many of u are born and bred in pakistan .. i am saying it all of personel experience .. the genration that is born outside pakistan can think and may feel it is easy to bridge the gap, the reality is that we both coutries are sworn to hate each other and if soem of us cant stand it . do what i did .. Run away :P ...

ok enough ranting for today ..
me goign to drink water

[liquiddreamz]

World would be a much better place if we regard ourselves as HUman before anything and love the humanity......one should consider himself a HUman first then a muslim or hindu or inidan or paki.....it's not easy to close the gap of hatred among the two countries...its only gonna take a miracle ... and untill the Kashmir issue is solved.....

[Gunslinger]

I think Kashmir issue is being used by the leaders of both countries to gain popularity. Like when the elections in either of the two countries are about to happen, they pull off some stunt in Kashmir to gain public opinion. I think the Kashmiris should say enough is enough and instead of chanting slogans for any side, get independance. Although I am a Paki Kashmiri and originally I am from Punjh that's in Jammu Kashmir, my forefathers migrated to Pakistan, to Azad Kashmir. Now naturally you must be wondering why not say Kashmir should be a part of Pakistan. If it could have been without any loss of civilian lives it would have been nice but that doesn't seem to be happening. Lives are being lost on both sides. I am happy in Pakistan. The best way to Peace is to forget the past however horrible it was. If not then the hatred in the minds will be alive for generations to come. Not unless some elders somewhere start to teach the new generation that "History doesn't necessarily have to repeat itself all the time", we are gonna keep hating each other and fighting. I lost relatives in wars too. My grand grand dad was in WWII even and he came back with a medal :D. but that's by the way. Anyways the point is CHILLAX everyone forget the past and sit together, make an assesment of the present and don't look at the past. Plan a better future for the new generation. Ciao

[devilz_soul]

wow all it took to solve the problem was the love brigade here.. well sitting in USA/ australia overlooking a great view and spreading the intellectual message of love seems the best thing. Ok here is the deal why not swap places with those place living on the control line in Azad Kashmir or in Indian held Kashmir or any where on the border . where when u go out ur family are never sure the u will come back alive or not .. Where they know that if we lose one battle bosnia wud come to life again with 1000 times bigger magnitude and then talk to me aba love ..
we dwell on the past .. had it that is not the way .. Communist china and usa wud be the best frens cz of course powerful go with the powerful isn’t it..
we spent 1000 years together and I can see countless example of hindus hate to muslim or muslim hate towards hindus .. whether it is tipu sultans army or it is the east Pakistan turning to Bangladesh
I dont forget aba the blood we lose cz I come from the nation of Islam where when the news that hazrat usman has been martyred by the Makkah people reaches to Prophet Muhammad .. they take the oath from all the followers that WE SHALL NOT FALL BACK UNTIL WE HAVNT ASKED FOR THE BLOOD OF USMAN .. but then again that is me a home grown FOB who knows nothing of civilized world
make love when the other party is ready to do it .. we cant give rose when there is a nuke , a torn down babari mosque and a gujrat filled with muslim corpse is waiting for us to greet. May be if I marry a hindu gal I might change my ideas but until then I stand here with sword in one hand and a rose in other hand watchin that what my fellow nighbour is going to do with me .

PS i am sorry if i sound HAWK-ISh but i was brainwashed good .. cant u tell :P

[Gunslinger]

And while you are at it Get your own brothers killed in Crossfire. You are da man devilz_soul

If us Kashmiris started being like you, we are safe but our Roots in Kashmir are the ones we are hurting. I am a Kashmiri and it's not that I am sitting in USA and saying all that. I got relatives in Kashmir. I have been to Kashmir countless times. My Grand Dad ran as a politician for Azad Kashmir as well. I came to USA an year ago. I have lived in SAudi Arabia for 18 years. No one's just sitting and talking. I am taking a Utilitarian approach to things. WHOEVER Kashmir belongs to, that's not the concern here. I want a better life, a life without bloodshed for the Kashmiri people who either lose lives in crossfire or as a result of slaughter.

And you are a perfect FOB for sure, you have no respect for your culture. I'll just quote two things you said. Both opposite of each other as far as your love for the nation of Islam and the Islamic culture goes. OBSERVE. (you're confused)

I dont forget aba the blood we lose cz I come from the nation of Islam where when the news that hazrat usman has been martyred by the Makkah people reaches to Prophet Muhammad .. they take the oath from all the followers that WE SHALL NOT FALL BACK UNTIL WE HAVNT ASKED FOR THE BLOOD OF USMAN .. but then again that is me a home grown FOB who knows nothing of civilized world

I respect that. But Quran teaches forgiveness and not revenge. Go and read over Khutba-e-Hijjat Al Wida by the Prophet PBUH

And now the second thing you said Totally disrespecting yourself, your culture and your religion.

May be if I marry a hindu gal I might change my ideas but until then I stand here with sword in one hand and a rose in other hand watchin that what my fellow nighbour is going to do with me .

Tell you what, you already sound like ur ready to change your ideas. That shows how much you care about the BLOOD OF USMAAN and yeah please read the Prophet PBUH last address again.

Ciao bruv Peace :)

[Gunslinger]

and yeah did I mention the Utilitarian approach? yes I took that and you know which approach you took ? Oh yeah you probably don't know it's called the "Egoistic" approach to Ethics. You look at your past and you don't wanna let go hating and on the other hand for your personal interest in a Hindu gal you might just drop off your ideas? Egoistical isn't it ?

[devilz_soul]

Aww some one lost his temper .. but it is all ok cz intellectual people always have a soft brain and a soft heart..
So where to start from .. first thing ur English is damn good but some how the concept of sarcasm doesn’t sink into u does it ?? .. when I said MAY BE IF I MARRY A HINDU GAL.. that was sarcasm for all those jerks who give into that love Indian phenomenon ….that isn’t me who will give in so next time get it clarified rather then wasting my time to sit and type u a long explanation ..
but then again …..had it u and ur BRETHERNS cud have thought a lil more , today u may not have in such place.. don’t u tell me that what u are doing or not doing all I can see is that the only reason of existence of AZAD KASHMIR for whom ur grand dad ran soo proudly is still there cz Pak ARMY is there let us pull out the army and see how many days u have b4 the flag of AZAD Kashmir is out dated by Indian .. wana try that babe
U want to stop the blood shed .. take a freakin side then stop saluting 2 masters and b4 u start on me on this point go and talk to ur Brothers from Indian Kashmir whose side are they on

LOL sorry I aint confused dude .. cz I actually stand by some ideology no matter if it is hate for india . what aba u .. u are from a nation who is soo confused that just to exist they have to look up to 2 countries to see and ponder who they are actually with.. wow and u have guts to come over and tel me that I am confused.. and ooh u lived in saudia or USA most of ur life.. and I AM FROM PAKISTAN so who took more brunt of the hatred and the blood shed u or me ???.. talk aba the difference of knowing and experiencing boss …

And well my brother does stand in the cross fire .and not only my bro but my father and half of my family stood the test of cross fires.. ever been to Kashmir and fought a war sweetie or just saw the beautiful scenery only for vacation tours ??

That is the last time I am answering u .. I don’t have time for some guy who has nothing else to do but read books and who visit AZAD KASHMIR for vacations . oh did I used
the word AZAD KASHMIR cz u are independent state not a part of Pakistan.. isn’t it ..

well what are u telling me to read the last address of prophet again here is a quranic ayah “aur apne ghooray tyar rakho” does that ring a bell or do some one has to BUZZ …

and remember blood of usman is still more sacred to me and I am ready to protect it ..confused or not .. psycho or not ..thats what am i gonna do . just a request to u .. don’t raise the white flag till some of us are around

lol and aba ur EGOISTIC approach comment aah well what can I say aba it cz that was based on that indian gal thing which cz of ur soft brains didn’t get to yaa as sarcasm so yeah come to our country we will teach u a thing or 2 aba sarcasm… after all u spent all ur life outside the country so u are as FOB for us as we are for u isn’t it dude …. Talk aba intellectual people and there shallow approach towards sentences .. aah welll it is time to go to office so yeah
see yaaa

[Gunslinger]

If Intellectual approach is all about violence and no peace for you, then what is islamic fundamentalism that most of the Islamic countries are blamed for. They are talking about hot headed people like you that can never get along with people of other religions. I am just talking about getting along and forgetting old grudges. I won't argue anymore. Ciao :) peace

[Gunslinger]

Oh and my brothers in Kashmir, I asked them. They want independance. :) Ciao

[liquiddreamz]

That is the last time I am answering u .. I don’t have time for some guy who has nothing else to do but read books and who visit AZAD KASHMIR for vacations . oh did I used
the word AZAD KASHMIR cz u are independent state not a part of Pakistan.. isn’t it ..





chickenin out eh!!!!
God Damn if we are an independent state freagin stop usin our electricity =P..... people from Azad Kashmir hold PAKISTANI nationality so i guess they are part of it too......its PAKI's like YOu who disgust me......jeez if you ever hear an Indian talkin about Kashmir you'd know how important they consder Kashmir...hell with Pakistan...majority of KAshmiri's want an Independent state....Pakistan cant handle its own 4 province..how will it manage to handle Kashmir.....India is was ahead In education and Industry than Pakistan and we cant deny the fact that there are more Muslims in India than Pakistan...Pakistans only intrest in Kashmir is its geographical location....why did Paki's chicken out of KARGIL when we were so close to reachin Srinagar?...average pakistani doesnt care about Kashmir...majority is just worried about ROTI, KAPRA and MAKAN..the three basic things for life...


and I AM FROM PAKISTAN so who took more brunt of the hatred and the blood shed u or me ???

Tell me what kinda bloodshed u faced???? who lost more relatives in Kashmir ..u or me? Your talkin like YOU fought a war tooo....is that the case?
keep on ranting i'll write more later

[Gunslinger]

Shah ji he is a Malabri sort. No use arguing with him. He sits in Australia and talks about how brave his ancestors were while he doesn't have the guts to even admit Kashmiris are pakis. He is the sort which has no love for Pakistan nor It's cause for Kashmir. Chillax yaar. ignore him

[Azeem]

Hey a lot of interesting points from both sides, and the middle. I personally feel that when i certain side sees an advatage it seizes the oppurtunity! But then each side bitches at the fact that "America is taking the other countries side!" Sure there is bias but until we can't put our diffrences aside and work together..we won't get anywhere. More innocent people will die, no matter how much u dispise it we must work together!

[Gunslinger]

Azeem I agree with you but some people (*hint* see the devil up there) don't want to put the differences aside. They want innocent people to die no matter what. All they care about is their prejudice and past experiences that they wish to avenge. Sad. Ciao Peace Allah Hafiz

[Azeem]

That is the last time I am answering u .. I don’t have time for some guy who has nothing else to do but read books and who visit AZAD KASHMIR for vacations . oh did I used
the word AZAD KASHMIR cz u are independent state not a part of Pakistan.. isn’t it ..





chickenin out eh!!!!
God Damn if we are an independent state freagin stop usin our electricity =P..... people from Azad Kashmir hold PAKISTANI nationality so i guess they are part of it too......its PAKI's like YOu who disgust me......jeez if you ever hear an Indian talkin about Kashmir you'd know how important they consder Kashmir...hell with Pakistan...majority of KAshmiri's want an Independent state....Pakistan cant handle its own 4 province..how will it manage to handle Kashmir.....India is was ahead In education and Industry than Pakistan and we cant deny the fact that there are more Muslims in India than Pakistan...Pakistans only intrest in Kashmir is its geographical location....why did Paki's chicken out of KARGIL when we were so close to reachin Srinagar?...average pakistani doesnt care about Kashmir...majority is just worried about ROTI, KAPRA and MAKAN..the three basic things for life...


and I AM FROM PAKISTAN so who took more brunt of the hatred and the blood shed u or me ???

Tell me what kinda bloodshed u faced???? who lost more relatives in Kashmir ..u or me? Your talkin like YOU fought a war tooo....is that the case?
keep on ranting i'll write more later

Well arguing ain't gonna solve it! Sorry that u lost relatives bro. but i know for a fact that Paki's have lost relatives too. But arguing ain't gonna bring em back, doing that is just gonna make problems for the future!

[sparletta]

U want to stop the blood shed .. take a freakin side then stop saluting 2 masters and b4 u start on me on this point go and talk to ur Brothers from Indian Kashmir whose side are they on

LOL sorry I aint confused dude .. cz I actually stand by some ideology no matter if it is hate for india . what aba u .. u are from a nation who is soo confused that just to exist they have to look up to 2 countries to see and ponder who they are actually with.. wow and u have guts to come over and tel me that I am confused.. and ooh u lived in saudia or USA most of ur life.. and I AM FROM PAKISTAN so who took more brunt of the hatred and the blood shed u or me ???.. talk aba the difference of knowing and experiencing boss …


well what are u telling me to read the last address of prophet again here is a quranic ayah “aur apne ghooray tyar rakho” does that ring a bell or do some one has to BUZZ …

and remember blood of usman is still more sacred to me and I am ready to protect it ..confused or not .. psycho or not ..thats what am i gonna do . just a request to u .. don’t raise the white flag till some of us are around




Hmmm. First off, I'm sorry about your family loss due to issues such as this... but I also think it is the reason for your anger.


"U want to stop the blood shed .. take a freakin side then stop saluting 2 masters and b4 u start on me on this point go and talk to ur Brothers from Indian Kashmir whose side are they on"


Actually, stopping bloodshed is NOT to take a side, for to take sides would be to continue the conflict... the answer is to find a solution.



Second...

"LOL sorry I aint confused dude .. cz I actually stand by some ideology no matter if it is hate for india"

I know that your comment wasn't directed at me; perhaps you feel that I am just butting in, but Indians and Pakis alike tend to forget that there are a couple MILLION Muslims in India.. including myself. Why would your ideology have anything to do with HATE ? Nah bro, Islam itself teaches not to hate. I understand you may have anger against certain extremist Hindu groups who specifically target Islam as a religion--- but to hate on India itself is hating on a nation with a vast array of different religions, including a considerable chunk of Muslims.

oh, and one question:

well what are u telling me to read the last address of prophet again here is a quranic ayah “aur apne ghooray tyar rakho” does that ring a bell or do some one has to BUZZ …


... what does that mean? what's the specific Arabic ayah? oh, and can you explain the Usman reference?

[bigr0ck]

Indian Muslims....are you proud to be indian?? or is it something you'r born into and can't change it and so you live wtih the fact??


sparelet:
India has close to 200 Million muslims. one of the world's largest Muslim populations. I think India has almost the same amount of muslims has Pakistan's TOTAL population. 70% of Pakistani's speak Punjabi ..balle ballee

[ilikecheese]

theres also a lot of hate between the bangalis and pakis in the AOL chatrooms. each side has their own hatered site for the other group. kinda sad...

[Azeem]

theres also a lot of hate between the bangalis and pakis in the AOL chatrooms. each side has their own hatered site for the other group. kinda sad...

Yeah man hatred sucks big time. I mean you don't like someone so you kill em, doesn't solve much, just starts a chain reaction of more hate and dispising! And all over what religion and cultural differences...thats bull! I say live and let live!

[ilikecheese]

haha... if it was only that easy. but the fact is u got thick headed people who likes how things r and they dont wanna stop the hate or nothing and i guess they enjoying it?

[sparletta]

Indian Muslims....are you proud to be indian?? or is it something you'r born into and can't change it and so you live wtih the fact??


sparelet:
India has close to 200 Million muslims. one of the world's largest Muslim populations. I think India has almost the same amount of muslims has Pakistan's TOTAL population. 70% of Pakistani's speak Punjabi ..balle ballee

:shock: @ those facts! my point exactly. =]

yeah, I'm proud to be Indian, but my religion comes first before anything else. In terms of nationalism, being Indian [ specifically Guju ] is part of my culture... I can't change that, so why would i try and change my culture? It's just a part of who you are.

And yeah, I see a LOT of hatred towards bengali'z for seriously no damn reason, the ones i have come across are so down to earth...

[Azeem]

Indian Muslims....are you proud to be indian?? or is it something you'r born into and can't change it and so you live wtih the fact??


sparelet:
India has close to 200 Million muslims. one of the world's largest Muslim populations. I think India has almost the same amount of muslims has Pakistan's TOTAL population. 70% of Pakistani's speak Punjabi ..balle ballee

:shock: @ those facts! my point exactly. =]

yeah, I'm proud to be Indian, but my religion comes first before anything else. In terms of nationalism, being Indian [ specifically Guju ] is part of my culture... I can't change that, so why would i try and change my culture? It's just a part of who you are.

And yeah, I see a LOT of hatred towards bengali'z for seriously no damn reason, the ones i have come across are so down to earth...

Most paki muslims feel unless your not from pakistan and are not completely inherent too the paki culture...you r not considered a Muslim. That is bull, i say stay true too your heart. If you beleive in Allah then no one can say or tell u otherwise! If we fight amongst ourselves we will never progress in the circle of life!

[ilikecheese]

just nuke each other and be done with

[Azeem]

just nuke each other and be done with

I don't think you know this but the name of this section is "Serious" Discussions! keep ur smart ass comments out!

[fattygirl]

i saw a site name which was fuckpakistan.com....da most i thought of was some indian tryin to say that, and out of curiosity i went there,....turned out to be a bangali...wat's up wid da hatred...those are jus some narrow minded peeps tryin to get attention wid their fucked up knowledgE!!,,....ma dad goes to this indian grocery store to get movies and stuff rite... and he is alwayz jokin around wid da indian man, sayin "aur sab kaisa hai border par....."and "how is india/pak hatred doin" n other comments...but neither one of em seem to mind these da comments they pass bak and forth....daz da way i want it....jus chill , yes there are millions dying, u can probably stop this shit than rather raise it more! n those indian kids who were born here, most of em i meet at skool and they have seen all those mest up , mostly sunny deol movies,where they gotta say pak is bad, india is good...., those indian kids, watch these movies and believe wat they say in em! and one of da kid said to ma face that i hate pakis...

[Azeem]

lot of bangali's don't like pakis cause we shun them for not being true muslims! That is sad on our part... :(

[fattygirl]

wow...
i used to have bangali friends in pak, none of em EVA showed hatred
hehe...but us urdu speaking used to make fun of their accent, liek when they said MASLI CHAWAL instead of machli chawal...eww ..do people actaully eat fish and rice? i dun eat dat!
but yea...we were friends, the makin fun part wasnt suppose to be mean!! and they didnt seem to mind either....i guess we were kids bak then....didnt really care bout being a paki or a bangali

[ilostamothfknbet]

eww ..do people actaully eat fish and rice? i dun eat dat!

i'm not bengali or anything, but..just cuz you don't eat that it makes it "eww"?? okaaaaaaaaay..

[fattygirl]

sorry but fish wid rice is one of those things that i dun dig jus like tomatoes.....so ya i apologize for ma "EWW"

[Morpheus]

"- If you only have love for your own race
Then you only leave space to discriminate
And to discriminate only generates hate
And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah
Madness is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how anger works and operates
You gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all"

"- Yo’, whatever happened to the values of humanity
Whatever happened to the fairness in equality
Instead of spreading love we spreading animosity
Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity"

"- People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek"

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(Excerpts taken from "Where Is The Love?" by
'Black Eyed Peas' - if you haven't already,
LISTEN TO IT, and not just the music -- the actual words too ...
very profound stuff - the most powerful message I've heard
in a mainstream chart song in a very long time!)

Peace, Much LuV & Much Respekt To ALL ...

... Keep It Real ...

- Raj

P.S. If we don't ALL learn to live in peace NOW, a couple of years down the road humanity may cease to exist ... and that's a pretty scary thought. :(

[Morpheus]

Too much hate and prejudice in this world.
... Leads to too much unnecessary suffering
& bloodshed.
... Truly upsets me :cry:

We should ALL learn to forget and not live in the past, otherwise humanity has no future.

At the end of the day we're all just human beings. We all live on this earth as ONE entity; humanity. And we ALL live on the SAME planet ... so we may as well all try and get along with one another right?

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So I say

"Learn To Forgive & Forget! The Past Can't Be Changed -- BUT -- The Future CAN! So No Matter What The Race, Cast, Creed Or Colour ... Jus' MIX AN' MINGLE WITH EVERYONE! You'll Make A Lot More Friends That Way & You'll Also Get A Lot More Out Of Life Too :)" (By Me)

Peace, Luv & Respekt To ALL ...

- Raj

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[ilikecheese]

u r really starting to piss me off with all ur love crap.. ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL WE AS HUMANS FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO HATE OR HAVE A BIG DIFFERENCE WITH, LIKE GREEN MEN FROM MARS

[Morpheus]

:shock:

Hahaahaaheeheehee :lol: ...

Looks like someone's a bit deprived of their stilton today eh? :D

It really ain't cool to be p**sed off you know :) Maybe you should try being 'peaced off' instead?

You really need to chill and relax -- you really shouldn't get worked up too easily --- seems to me you have a bit of a short fuse. Either that or you got up on the wrong side of bed today :)

Or maybe you have high blood pressure --- (please don't have a cardiac arrest on us or anythin'! :shock: ). LOL

Maybe you need a bit of time to cool down. So go do a big fat dump if your constipated, go and grab a nice cold glass of lassi and then wait until all that hot steam stops evacuating your ear holes :wink:

[Put a smile on yer face man --- it ain't the end of the world (yet!)]

Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace Peace ....

- Raj

P.S. Never Say Never - why is it impossible? Because Mr.Cheese says so? :lol: What? So because Cheeseman says its impossible we should all hail to his 'mighty' wisdom :?: So we should just give up all hope and just give in? :shock: Sorry, but giving up don't seem like much of an option for me Mr. Cheese :D

One more thing to 'peace you off' :lol:

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[yar786]

i joke about paki and indians sometimes both, but truth is i love them both- no hate here

[pakipothead]

Opening borders, welcoming peace

Just when the press was writing about "The Big Chill" in the relations between India and Pakistan, a group of women have broken the ice. Led by a strong believer in people-to-people contact, the Gandhian Nirmala Deshpande, a busload of Indian women spent a week in Pakistan. They represented different ages, professions and political views. Their common concern was opening up the path to dialogue. Coming as it did at a time when the Indian Government turned down Pakistan's suggestion for talks, the journey was significant.

The group came back with tales not unfamiliar to those of us who have visited that country - of the warmth and hospitality you encounter from friends and strangers, of the deep desire for peace that expresses itself in a myriad ways when you speak to ordinary people, of the ease with which you, an Indian, are accepted wherever you go in Pakistan.

Yet, each time a group of civilians from India travels to Pakistan and returns with such stories, we are surprised because we have been led to believe that "Pakistan" hates India and wants to destroy it. Rarely are we made to realise that "the nation" and "the people" are not the same, regardless of whether we live in a democracy or a military dictatorship.

Sadly, within days of the return of the busload of women, India turned back over a 100 Pakistani peace activists from the Wagah border as they attempted to bridge a few feet of no-man's land separating our countries on foot. Security reasons were cited. The Indian authorities insisted that the Pakistanis must travel by "accepted" modes of transport - bus, train or plane. Despite earlier precedents - one as recent as last year when a group of retired Pakistani military men, led by General Shabbir Shah, had crossed the Wagah border on foot to attend the reunion of the Ludhiana College - the authorities on our side would not change their ruling. The men and women who had attempted this crossing were from all walks of life; they were part of the Pakistan-India People's Forum for Peace and Democracy (PIPFPD) which met in Bangalore this last week. They were people coming with a message of peace. Yet, they were asked to go back and cross the border in ways acceptable to the Government.

Fortunately, all of them had visas unlike many others who have been refused visas. Recently, the Government seems to have become even tougher at issuing visas to Pakistanis than before. As a result, last month, Pakistani scientists were refused visas to attend a conference on rice cultivation and 16 delegates from five trade unions in Pakistan were not permitted to attend the 14th World Trade Union Congress held recently in New Delhi. A constant appeal by groups on both sides of the border has been for an easing of the visa regime.


The director of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, Mr. I. A. Rehman, who has been a leading figure in the peace efforts between our two countries, told The News in Lahore, "Both Governments have created such a problem, that they are now scared to do anything rational which may risk a public backlash. So public opinion has to come to the point and in fact create a pressure for the Governments to move towards peace."

Indeed, the only ray of hope has been the different efforts made by citizens on both sides to bridge the divide created by politics. "Goli nahin, boli (Use words, not bullets") is the slogan the women carried with them to Pakistan. But words also have to be carefully chosen. Otherwise, they can be like poison arrows that lay the ground for the bullets. This is the sad reality that we have learned in both our countries.

The media has played no mean role in consolidating the prejudices that already exist with the tone and the words that it uses. As one of the women on the bus to Pakistan aptly stated, "Our minds have been poisoned by those in power and a rather hawkish media. Only people-to-people contact will demolish the myths created by 50 years of hostility."

The media on both sides has not just been hawkish, but has generally failed to recognise that there is "news" apart from issues concerning security or politics. How, for instance, are ordinary Pakistanis managing in the wake of the economic crisis that has confronted their country in the aftermath of the nuclear tests? How has daily existence changed for them with the military in power? Why have some leading activists from non-governmental organisations joined the Government of General Pervez Musharraf while others have refused to do so because they will not compromise with a military dictatorship?

There are scores of such issues that go beyond the narrow interests of the political leadership on both sides that require coverage in our media. Such reporting would give us insight into Pakistan that would reveal that the choices are not so different for people on that side of the border as they are over here.

Fortunately, some of this negativism is being corrected by steps taken by civil society groups. But these steps cannot go far if the media does not carry the message that they bring to our countries. Essentially, what all peace-loving people on both sides of the border have been saying is: "Enough! Over 50 years of hate is enough. Over 50 years of wasting precious resources in maintaining war machines is enough. Over 50 years of throwing poisoned darts at each other is enough. It is time to grow up, to move on, to find avenues for peaceful coexistence."

:evil: KALPANA SHARMA :twisted:

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India started the buildup of weapons and testing them. When they were tested, Pakistan reacted with testing the same amount always. India is always in shit because there always flojn - "trying to test countries." That's why China bombed the **** out of India. I won't lie, I get pissed when India brings threats and approach Pakistan as the nation wont do shit. :shock:

[moonshadow]

we indianz r different from pakiz.we suk cocks and worship cows............we drink cows piss.......we r da greatest of all nations............ :lol: :lol: :lol:


wtf are you talkin bout, how bout you keep this on topic and discuss the issues resulting into this hatred. oh and BTW, nice chop in your sig, did you do it