Urdu was derived from Arabic

[Storms]

Urdu, a language commonly spoken in Pakistan, was derived from Arabic.

That's all I wanted to say.

[ChikNi]

shit you better be telling the non-urdu speakers cuz i bet the rest already know this :roll:

[ThreeFiddy]

I bow to your knowledge of history.

[NumbaOneStunna]

Urdu, a language commonly spoken in Pakistan, was derived from Arabic.

That's all I wanted to say.
Wrong

Urdu is largely derived from PERSIAN with some influence from Arabic, Hindi and Turkish. Infact the word "urdu" itslef means "camp" in turkish as in a military camp. Thats because military camps in north india and Pakistan during the early mughal period had soldiers who spoke all those languages and started using a mixture of those to communicate with each other.

BTW its sad to see that so many other urdu speakers are unaware of this :?

[himynamesmo]

urdu is the bastardization of arabic, but if u wanna get into detail with that every lang. is the bastardization of arabic.

[ThreeFiddy]

urdu is the bastardization of arabic, but if u wanna get into detail with that every lang. is the bastardization of arabic.

lol no it's not

[Tigr]

Urdu has hindi Grammar (That's why I understand it), mostly persian nouns and adjectives, and an arabic script.

[Tigr]

Originally, the Urdu speakers were from UP area, so its mostly a khichdi language

[ali_mirza]

First Known Sentence of Urdu Literature


http://www.eurdubazaar.com/images/i_museum/urdu-kaa-pehlaa-fiqra.gif[/code]

[ali_mirza]

http://www.eurdubazaar.com/images/i_museum/urdu-ki-pehli-ghazal.gif


first Ghazal of Urdu Literature

[ChikNi]

^nice.
i go to urdupoint.com, they got some nice poetry there

[Zapata]

Urdu, a language commonly spoken in Pakistan, was derived from Arabic.

That's all I wanted to say.

all i know is that urdu sounds very nice, poetic and discriptive.

[paulie walnuts]

lol, why is it that pakistanis have the most massive inferiority complex regarding Arabs?

[Irreligious Left]

Don't Arabs regard everything that comes from the subcontinent, be it Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christian, as an abortion of humanity? Why do desis, especially subcontinental Muslims, suck up to these people? It makes us all look pathetic.

[adren@line]

Sanskrit is older than Arabic. Threfore, Sanskrit is not dreived from Arabic.

URDU is an INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGE.

Unfortunatly, its another shitty wanna-be arabic language like farsi, so therfore a lame imitation that isnt quite a semite language but tries to be.

[bigturd]

Sanskrit is older than Arabic. Threfore, Sanskrit is not dreived from Arabic.

URDU is an INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGE.

Unfortunatly, its another shitty wanna-be arabic language like farsi, so therfore a lame imitation that isnt quite a semite language but tries to be.

Unfortunately, Sanskrit is not older than Arabic!! All languages are derived from Arabic. If you read teh book "Minan-ur Rahman" i think, and disprove it, there's 50000 dollars in it for you!

[paulie walnuts]

Don't Arabs regard everything that comes from the subcontinent, be it Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christian, as an abortion of humanity? Why do desis, especially subcontinental Muslims, suck up to these people? It makes us all look pathetic.

The desi-Arab inferiority complex and ass-kissing is STRICTLY a muslim thing. It's all based around Arabs being the only "true" muslims and all that. they want to be seen as true muslims as well, so naturally they kiss ass. for whatever reason, arabs are very racist towards desi muslims.

Hindus/Sikhs/Others have NO inferiority complex regarding Arabs, theres no reason to. we certainly dont kiss their asses for any reason either.

[adren@line]

Sanskrit is older than Arabic. Threfore, Sanskrit is not dreived from Arabic.

URDU is an INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGE.

Unfortunatly, its another shitty wanna-be arabic language like farsi, so therfore a lame imitation that isnt quite a semite language but tries to be.

Unfortunately, Sanskrit is not older than Arabic!! All languages are derived from Arabic. If you read teh book "Minan-ur Rahman" i think, and disprove it, there's 50000 dollars in it for you!

Bullshit again. Everything is not derived from Arabic.

Sanskrit is older than Arabic. Look it up.

[bigturd]

Sanskrit is older than Arabic. Threfore, Sanskrit is not dreived from Arabic.

URDU is an INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGE.

Unfortunatly, its another shitty wanna-be arabic language like farsi, so therfore a lame imitation that isnt quite a semite language but tries to be.

Unfortunately, Sanskrit is not older than Arabic!! All languages are derived from Arabic. If you read teh book "Minan-ur Rahman" i think, and disprove it, there's 50000 dollars in it for you!

Bullshit again. Everything is not derived from Arabic.

Sanskrit is older than Arabic. Look it up.

I gave you the challenge. There is no proof that Sanskrit is older than arabic. In fact, all the proof points towards the fact that Arabic is in no way derived from sanskrit. You go look it up loser.

[adren@line]

your a fuckin dumbass.

I NEVER SAID ARABIC WAS DERIVED FROM SANSKRIT.

Just because something is older, DOES NOT MEAN EVERYTHING ELSE was derived from it. Thats dumb-ass logic.

[ThreeFiddy]

I already told mo that he was wrong about arabic being the mother of all languages, etc. so just leave it.

And i've also noticed this thing that desi muslims have, they HAVE to suck up to the arabs. What the fuck is up with that? You're a MUSLIM, not a fricking arab.

[adren@line]

just to rub it in:

http://www.davidappleyard.com/indo-european.jpg

Notice how Urdu is branched off of Sanskrit.

Also notice how Urdu TRIES to look like Arabic because Desi Muslims like to suck up to Arabs and tried their HARDEST to become "true Muslims", but in the end coudlnt.

Quite funny. Kind of like how Farsi is an Indo-European languge but looks exactly like Arabic because the Persians had an inferiority complex.

[aspaan]

Urdu, a language commonly spoken in Pakistan, was derived from Arabic.

That's all I wanted to say.
Wrong

Urdu is largely derived from PERSIAN with some influence from Arabic, Hindi and Turkish. Infact the word "urdu" itslef means "camp" in turkish as in a military camp. Thats because military camps in north india and Pakistan during the early mughal period had soldiers who spoke all those languages and started using a mixture of those to communicate with each other.

BTW its sad to see that so many other urdu speakers are unaware of this :?

right on the money

thats what my dad told me as well but instead of hindi .... he said it was pubjabi ........ hindi became popular after the independence

[pakipaindu83]

just to rub it in:

Notice how Urdu is branched off of Sanskrit.

Also notice how Urdu TRIES to look like Arabic because Desi Muslims like to suck up to Arabs and tried their HARDEST to become "true Muslims", but in the end coudlnt.

Quite funny. Kind of like how Farsi is an Indo-European languge but looks exactly like Arabic because the Persians had an inferiority complex.

i make the notice arabic no in chart. were u get this one?

[adren@line]

just to rub it in:

Notice how Urdu is branched off of Sanskrit.

Also notice how Urdu TRIES to look like Arabic because Desi Muslims like to suck up to Arabs and tried their HARDEST to become "true Muslims", but in the end coudlnt.

Quite funny. Kind of like how Farsi is an Indo-European languge but looks exactly like Arabic because the Persians had an inferiority complex.

i make the notice arabic no in chart. were u get this one?

thats cuz Arabic is a Semite language, which is in a completely different language family.

[ThreeFiddy]

Doesn't English also have some sanskrit roots?

[scorpio_]

Doesn't English also have some sanskrit roots?

no

[adren@line]

nope.

it has greek/latin/ (I think, although it could be Germanic) roots, which are almost identical to sanskrit

[ThreeFiddy]

Doesn't English also have some sanskrit roots?

no

Really? Wow okay, I'll take your word for it over my English teacher.

[ThreeFiddy]

nope.

it has greek/latin/ (I think, although it could be Germanic) roots, which are almost identical to sanskrit

Hmmm...what about the similarities in some words?

(And by "roots" i didn't mean 1:1 derivation, I just meant by some sort of chain, like sanskrit -> x -> x1 -> english)

[angrynacho]

Doesn't English also have some sanskrit roots?

no

Really? Wow okay, I'll take your word for it over my English teacher.

Language isn't developped linearly. Biggest problem with all this language analysis is that. There are some words that were created relatively recently that have sanskrit roots. Granted though, there aren't many.

[angrynacho]

nope.

it has greek/latin/ (I think, although it could be Germanic) roots, which are almost identical to sanskrit

English more closely resembles German than anything else. This I heard from some reliable sources.

I'm not going to be here pretending I know a thing about the development of language when I don't.

[adren@line]

I stand corrected.

I had a feeling it was more Germanic (hence why I said what I said)...

I also agree with the "linear language" comment.

Anyone who thinks that any one langauge (such as Arabic) is the "mother of all languages" is an idiot.

[Storms]

Only Indians speak hindi....
Sanskrit languages are all locally contained within the India area... No other nations use these languages.

Arabic is spoken by many nations across the globe, Arabic is taught in most top universities across the globe.... quite frankly, hindi is only taught in Indian villages, the elite of India are moving towards Urdu. The rest of the world doesn't recognise hindi as a language worth learning.

Storms

[Irreligious Left]

Only Indians speak hindi....
Sanskrit languages are all locally contained within the India area... No other nations use these languages.

Arabic is spoken by many nations across the globe, Arabic is taught in most top universities across the globe.... quite frankly, hindi is only taught in Indian villages, the elite of India are moving towards Urdu. The rest of the world doesn't recognise hindi as a language worth learning.

Storms

Flamebait!

[aspaan]

Only Indians speak hindi....
Sanskrit languages are all locally contained within the India area... No other nations use these languages.

Arabic is spoken by many nations across the globe, Arabic is taught in most top universities across the globe.... quite frankly, hindi is only taught in Indian villages, the elite of India are moving towards Urdu. The rest of the world doesn't recognise hindi as a language worth learning.

Storms

hindi and punjabi is offered at my Uni but arabic isnt

[adren@line]

Only Indians speak hindi....
Sanskrit languages are all locally contained within the India area... No other nations use these languages.

Arabic is spoken by many nations across the globe, Arabic is taught in most top universities across the globe.... quite frankly, hindi is only taught in Indian villages, the elite of India are moving towards Urdu. The rest of the world doesn't recognise hindi as a language worth learning.

Storms

sanskrit is taught at many unis, and so is India.

Stop sucking up to arabs you dumbass. YOUR NOT AN ARAB.

[Irreligious Left]

I honestly don't think he believes a word of what he wrote. He just typed it to get a response. Thus is Storms.

[Storms]

Only Indians speak hindi....
Sanskrit languages are all locally contained within the India area... No other nations use these languages.

Arabic is spoken by many nations across the globe, Arabic is taught in most top universities across the globe.... quite frankly, hindi is only taught in Indian villages, the elite of India are moving towards Urdu. The rest of the world doesn't recognise hindi as a language worth learning.

Storms

sanskrit is taught at many unis, and so is India.

Stop sucking up to arabs you dumbass. YOUR NOT AN ARAB.

Too many Indians have too much hatred, for Arabs and Pakistanis alike :roll:

Learn to live in peace.... this thread started out as an innocent thread, all the Indian haters came on and spoiled it.

It's this mentallity that causes Indians to be bitter against Pakistanis, if the whole nation thinks like you, then there will never be any progress in the direction of peace.

HOW THE HELL DID THIS THREAD BECOME A INDIA V's PAK THING AGAIN??.... FUCKIN HATERZ!!

[aspaan]

I honestly don't think he believes a word of what he wrote. He just typed it to get a response. Thus is Storms.

now i get it ............... he is just spewing random stuff

[Storms]

hindi and punjabi is offered at my Uni but arabic isnt

I said most of the top universities. :wink:

[aspaan]

hindi and punjabi is offered at my Uni but arabic isnt

I said most of the top universities. :wink:

why dont you name some .............. and ill find you sanskrit in their curriculum

still waiting for those TOP universities

[ilostamothfknbet]

wow interesting.
and to think once upon a time i actually thought Storms was SEMI-INTELLIGENT. how wrong of me.

[angrynacho]

All of you suck. Usually languages are chosen to be part of a univerisity's curriculum based on demand and/or the amount of students whose culture speaks x-language. Many quality universities don't offer Hindi, but offer Arabic, and vice versa.

[Storms]

wow interesting.
and to think once upon a time i actually thought Storms was SEMI-INTELLIGENT. how wrong of me.

Another observation about you... you're very patriotic, you can't take the mildest criticism about India.

Broaden your mind hun, just cos your parents drill something into your brain doesn't mean it's true.

Seriously speaking, no offence intended. Just see the whole picture....

Storms

[kunnyfunt]

Urdu, a language commonly spoken in Pakistan, was derived from Arabic.

That's all I wanted to say.
Wrong

Urdu is largely derived from PERSIAN with some influence from Arabic, Hindi and Turkish. Infact the word "urdu" itslef means "camp" in turkish as in a military camp. Thats because military camps in north india and Pakistan during the early mughal period had soldiers who spoke all those languages and started using a mixture of those to communicate with each other.

BTW its sad to see that so many other urdu speakers are unaware of this :?

right on the money

thats what my dad told me as well but instead of hindi .... he said it was pubjabi ........ hindi became popular after the independence


i thought urdu was a turkish word for lashkar....out wait isnt that more or less the same thing???

[ilostamothfknbet]

wow interesting.
and to think once upon a time i actually thought Storms was SEMI-INTELLIGENT. how wrong of me.

Another observation about you... you're very patriotic, you can't take the mildest criticism about India.

Broaden your mind hun, just cos your parents drill something into your brain doesn't mean it's true.

Seriously speaking, no offence intended. Just see the whole picture....

Storms

another observation about you.. you ASSUME way too much buddy.
go back and read your posts mr. instigator. my mind is broadened HUN, and my parents are probably much more open minded than you'll ever be. they let me make my own decisions. thanks for the concern. :roll:

[paulie walnuts]

Storms, how does it feel to know that despite all your ass-kissing, Arabs still see your brown ass as a piece of shit and laugh? I'd think it would feel a little :oops:

No wonder you guys have such low self esteem.

[Storms]

Storms, how does it feel to know that despite all your ass-kissing, Arabs still see your brown ass as a piece of shit and laugh? I'd think it would feel a little :oops:

No wonder you guys have such low self esteem.

Typical... after all that they're still spewing out bitteness, hatred, intolerance, racism and narrow mindedness

Did you learn nothing from what I wrote??

It's idiots like you who're restricting the progression of India.
It's idiots like you who turn everything into a Pak v's India thing.

Try to smile.... rather than frown, the world will look like a better place.

Storms 8)

[aspaan]

storms where are the top Universities you were talking about


if you dont give me to me

ill assume you always spew crap ..... well I do that anyways

[Storms]

storms where are the top Universities you were talking about


if you dont give me to me

ill assume you always spew crap ..... well I do that anyways

You're asking ME to research for YOU???

It ain't gonna happen in this life mate and I don't believe in re-incarnation, so we could well say it's never gonna happen.

Go do the reasearch yourself and present it on here. As a starting point, try Google!! :D

[aspaan]

storms where are the top Universities you were talking about


if you dont give me to me

ill assume you always spew crap ..... well I do that anyways

You're asking ME to research for YOU???

It ain't gonna happen in this life mate and I don't believe in re-incarnation, so we could well say it's never gonna happen.

Go do the reasearch yourself and present it on here. As a starting point, try Google!! :D

so basically you are saying you just bullshit all the time

well now its scientifically proven

You bullshit :D

[Storms]

so basically you are saying you just bullshit all the time

well now its scientifically proven

You bullshit :D

Your definition of 'scientific proof' leaves a lot to be desired to say the least. The only thing that is evident from your posts is that they hold no substance and you can't backup your claims.

I'm saying Arabic is taught is most top uni's, whilst hindi certainly isn't....

If you disagree with me prove it otherwise... I'm sorry if you can't find any evidence that shows that hindi is taught, just don't expct me to go and try and find it for you!!

Idiot!

Storms

[aspaan]

Harvard Sanskrit department
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~sanskrit/

also

Arabic is in extesion school of Haravrd with only 2 courses

now do you stand corrected son

[ilostamothfknbet]

Harvard Sanskrit department
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~sanskrit/

also

Arabic is in extesion school of Haravrd with only 2 courses

now do you stand corrected son

:thumleft: although it was a stupid argument.

[Storms]

D'oh!!

but I notice that course mostly teaches Urdu.

There are 5 courses in total and they are titled:
Urdu 101
Urdu 102
Urdu 103
Urdu 104
Urdu 105r

[paulie walnuts]

Storms, how does it feel to know that despite all your ass-kissing, Arabs still see your brown ass as a piece of shit and laugh? I'd think it would feel a little :oops:

No wonder you guys have such low self esteem.

Typical... after all that they're still spewing out bitteness, hatred, intolerance, racism and narrow mindedness

Did you learn nothing from what I wrote??

It's idiots like you who're restricting the progression of India.
It's idiots like you who turn everything into a Pak v's India thing.

Try to smile.... rather than frown, the world will look like a better place.

Storms 8)

negro please. ive seen plenty of your threads, let alone your posts. your life obviously revolves around the above-mentioned comparison and hatred. i guess your inferiority complexes arent just restricted to arabs. find a new hobby beta.

btw, go ask an Arab what he thinks about Urdu (and its purported arabic origins). i'll give you $100 if he doesnt start laughing. i'll give you another $100 if he doesnt ask you to clean his toilet.

[kunnyfunt]

beta! hahahahahahaha! *falls of the chair laughing* havent herd that word in aaaaaaagez!

[adren@line]

Only Indians speak hindi....
Sanskrit languages are all locally contained within the India area... No other nations use these languages.

Arabic is spoken by many nations across the globe, Arabic is taught in most top universities across the globe.... quite frankly, hindi is only taught in Indian villages, the elite of India are moving towards Urdu. The rest of the world doesn't recognise hindi as a language worth learning.

Storms


When you post ignorant shit like you did above, your not going to get "pleasant" answers.

Just admit your another Arab ass kisser.

btw Arabic is spoken mostly in sub-third world Islamic sh*tholes. Nothing to be proud of.

[adren@line]

D'oh!!

but I notice that course mostly teaches Urdu.

There are 5 courses in total and they are titled:
Urdu 101
Urdu 102
Urdu 103
Urdu 104
Urdu 105r

and Urdu is an indo-european language that is based off of sanskrit that TRIES to look like Arabic but is really more similar to Hindi.

Try again.

[Tigr]

There is definitely a superiority complex of Arabs over other muslims, and its inbuilt through religion, because all of them have to face mecca and pray. Its like mecca is holier than the place they were born in. Either Storms is extremely uninformed to think Urdu was derived from Arabic, or he just wanted to start a flame. Leaning towards both.

Its funny when he say that most educated Indians are learning Urdu...I don't know any hindu who can decipher the arabic script...except my father who learn't it growing up in Lyallpur (Notice how Pakistani changed the name of their cities to honor arabs)...now known as Faisalabad. No young hindu knows the arabic script

[Tigr]

One more thing...we are all speaking english here, using a latin script so it really doesn't matter if Urdu has arabic roots. Storms lives in England, and the reality is that i doubt the hosts care if he speaks Urdu or Hindi. However, they may care that he's a muslim...and little bit more of a threat. Hindus are the safe 'pakis'.

[karan!!]

omg, you guys are confusing me hard. So i'll blurt out random things I know about urdu and see if you can use it to patch up your knowledge and the confusing things going on in this thread.

Ok, @ adrenline. Urdu actually means "horde" in turkish, not camp. In some respects its the same thing, but it was not only in a military aspect that they developed this language, it was for interaction between merchants, foriegn armies and the indian population. So, Urdu derives its words from Persian, Arabic AND Sunskrit.

Thats all I know.

[karan!!]

Also, i'd just like to add ( punjabi pride kicking in here ) that the Arayans, who actually inhabited northern India ( balle balle, but actually came from further north ) were thought of as a superior race later when they moved west into the mediterian area. They have colored eyes ( blue) and blonde hair. You still have those pure blooded (hehe) punjabi's getting blue eyes or green eyes etc (and omg it looks so sexy, i might add). (Does anybody see how sad it is when goku goes super-sayain in dbz now? ) Sooo anyway, like I was saying, and how this relates to Urdu, is the Arayans orignally spoke sanskrit, which early Hindu literature was written in, like the Vedas.

[karan!!]

And btw, Vedas is derived from Veda, which in sanskrit means knowledge. *ok, the following I faintly recall* In the early centuries, we infact were more technologically advanced then the western civilisations. Until sometime ( I think it was in the 14th century?) Gengis Khan came w/ his large army from Mongolia and ransacked all our Veda ( we had written scripts of knowledge w/ in our libraries ) and they threw all the books into a stream and it was lost forever. We never recovered from that, and infact still haven't. His army continued to pillage countries, moving west, until he reached.. um Poland I think it was? The reason he stopped there was, there were too many tree's. He had a full army, but they were on horses for the most part.

[himynamesmo]

dont listen to anything adren@line/redefine says, he's an idiot. there is no superitory complex u dumbfuck or ass-kissing. they are brothers of ours in a sense that we worship the same god and send kalma to the same prophet.

[karan!!]

storms, answer this honestly. Are you trying to be a shit stirrer?

[PoshNor]

i d k much about the origins or language nor do i care, but i'll put my 2 cents in this hate.

first off, urdu letters are exactly like arabic letters. urdu has a couple of extra letters and some sounds aren't even in the arabic language.

second, i don't think it has to do with "ass kissing". since mostly muslims use urdu, and they already speak arabic and know the letters from reading the Qur'an, it was easier for them to use those letters instead of coming up with a new system.

thats my arguement.

i don't think arabic is the mother of all language either. as for which language is older, who cares??

[ShivaChrist]

I'm odd. I think its rather simple.

Urdu SOUNDS like Hindi. People who speak Urdu can communicate with people who speak Hindi.

But... Urdu looks like Arabic and reads right to left. Why?

Well, someone decided to alter Hindi... they put it to a new system of writing which is base on Arabic and there you go.

Simple answer.

Urdu sounds almost exactly like Hindi because it was taken from it and altered (became its own language).

[ThreeFiddy]

Shiva has it right.

Storms, shut the fuck up about this bullshit "tolerance is your friend" crap. If you believed in that shit you wouldn't be bashing the hindus so much. Oh yes and stop brown nosing the arabs. The urdu language takes nothing from them except for the scripture, and the reason for that was mentioned in this thread. I mean for fuck's sakes, it sounds so much like hindi and nothing like Arabic, why the HELL would you think it has Arabic roots? Do you think the written form of a language comes before the verbal form? You're either a total dipshit or in denial. You pick.

BTW, thanks for correcting me on the sanskrit -> english roots.

[Storms]

Have any of you guys actually heard anyone speak the real hindi???

I have and I don't understand a goddamn word.... and that's coming from a guy who's fluent in Urdu.

Let me tell you this, I've said it before and I'll say it again... the elite of india speak Urdu.

Do you know the language they speak in Bollywood films???? that's right it's mostly Urdu... if they spoke real hindi you wouldn't uinderstand a word.

ShivaChrist,
Why the hell are you adding your two cents worth, you don't know shit about this subject.

to The Haters,
I have no hatred for anyone, so please don't imply that I lambast the hindus. This thread started taking a negative 'Pak v's India' vibe when adren and paulie_walnuts started spouting hatred.

I am the Seeker of Truth and Justice... you'll find that there is no incorrect fact in any of my statements. Nobody's licked anyones arse in this thread, instead there has been a lot of hatred directed towards muslims and Pakistanis.... quite frankly it disgusts me. Its enough to make a guy lose faith in humanity.

Storms

'You don't have to be a man to fight for freedom. All you have to do is to be an intelligent human being.' Malcolm X

[aspaan]

Let me tell you this, I've said it before and I'll say it again... the elite of india speak Urdu.

ummm like your universities ................. who are these elites?

you bullshit so much just to make your point :D


I am the Seeker of Truth and Justice...

no you are an idiot

[himynamesmo]

Have any of you guys actually heard anyone speak the real hindi???

I have and I don't understand a goddamn word.... and that's coming from a guy who's fluent in Urdu.

Let me tell you this, I've said it before and I'll say it again... the elite of india speak Urdu.

Do you know the language they speak in Bollywood films???? that's right it's mostly Urdu... if they spoke real hindi you wouldn't uinderstand a word.

ShivaChrist,
Why the hell are you adding your two cents worth, you don't know shit about this subject.

to The Haters,
I have no hatred for anyone, so please don't imply that I lambast the hindus. This thread started taking a negative 'Pak v's India' vibe when adren and paulie_walnuts started spouting hatred.

I am the Seeker of Truth and Justice... you'll find that there is no incorrect fact in any of my statements. Nobody's licked anyones arse in this thread, instead there has been a lot of hatred directed towards muslims and Pakistanis.... quite frankly it disgusts me. Its enough to make a guy lose faith in humanity.

Storms

'You don't have to be a man to fight for freedom. All you have to do is to be an intelligent human being.' Malcolm X

are u talking about when they read sanskrit from the hindu holy books? if so then yea your write, hindi is nothing like urdu then.

[adren@line]

Also, i'd just like to add ( punjabi pride kicking in here ) that the Arayans, who actually inhabited northern India ( balle balle, but actually came from further north ) were thought of as a superior race later when they moved west into the mediterian area. They have colored eyes ( blue) and blonde hair. You still have those pure blooded (hehe) punjabi's getting blue eyes or green eyes etc (and omg it looks so sexy, i might add). (Does anybody see how sad it is when goku goes super-sayain in dbz now? ) Sooo anyway, like I was saying, and how this relates to Urdu, is the Arayans orignally spoke sanskrit, which early Hindu literature was written in, like the Vedas.

please please pleasee shut the fuck up.

Just about everything you said in that post is complete utter garbage. You didnt even spell "Aryan" right.

[ammad]

urdu is a mix of arabic persian and for most part hindi .... !!!!

[Irreligious Left]

The elite of India and Pakistan speak English, not Urdu or Hindi. That is all.

[ammad]

The elite of India and Pakistan speak English, not Urdu or Hindi. That is all.


that not elite at all ... those are wannabes.... !!!!

plzz u dun know about pakistan ok so keep quite !!!

[punjabi_mundaa]

Ok first off just because we are not arabs does not mean we are not muslim. The first muslims came from all across the ancient world...there were Arabs, Romans, Persians, Abyssinians, etc. comprising of different races and speaking different languages......

The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said that an arab is not superior over a non arab and a non arab is not superior over an arab, in his last speech on Mount Arafat.


Arabic was the language in which the Quran was revealed therefore it holds importance to all muslims and in the early stages of Islamic expansion Arabic was taught to the people.....For example the modern Syrians spoke Assyrian and Aramaic not Arabic, the Palestinians spoke Greek, Aramaic, and other semetic languages, and the Modern Iraqis spoke a deviation of Babylonian while The modern "Arabs" of the mediterranean spoke Greek, Egyptian, Berber, and other local languages.

Urdu on the other hand was brought to India from Persia....there are two types of Urdu...

1) Modern Urdu----using more Hindi, still with Persian/Arabic script.
It is a Hindi-Arabic-Persian mix.

2) Old or Original Urdu---used in the Mughal courts. This is more of a Arabic-Persian mix and most hindi-speakers as well as modern urdu speakers do not fully understand it.

[ammad]

Ok first off just because we are not arabs does not mean we are not muslim. The first muslims came from all across the ancient world...there were Arabs, Romans, Persians, Abyssinians, etc. comprising of different races and speaking different languages......

The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said that an arab is not superior over a non arab and a non arab is not superior over an arab, in his last speech on Mount Arafat.


Arabic was the language in which the Quran was revealed therefore it holds importance to all muslims and in the early stages of Islamic expansion Arabic was taught to the people.....For example the modern Syrians spoke Assyrian and Aramaic not Arabic, the Palestinians spoke Greek, Aramaic, and other semetic languages, and the Modern Iraqis spoke a deviation of Babylonian while The modern "Arabs" of the mediterranean spoke Greek, Egyptian, Berber, and other local languages.

Urdu on the other hand was brought to India from Persia....there are two types of Urdu...

1) Modern Urdu----using more Hindi, still with Persian/Arabic script.
It is a Hindi-Arabic-Persian mix.

2) Old or Original Urdu---used in the Mughal courts. This is more of a Arabic-Persian mix and most hindi-speakers as well as modern urdu speakers do not fully understand it.


yeah hes right ....

bilqul baja farmaya appney !

[Irreligious Left]

The elite of India and Pakistan speak English, not Urdu or Hindi. That is all.


that not elite at all ... those are wannabes.... !!!!

plzz u dun know about pakistan ok so keep quite !!!

Do you even know what "elite" means?

[ammad]

The elite of India and Pakistan speak English, not Urdu or Hindi. That is all.


that not elite at all ... those are wannabes.... !!!!

plzz u dun know about pakistan ok so keep quite !!!

Do you even know what "elite" means?
sheeshh heck yeahh i do ..

[adren@line]

all bullshit.

Look at the damn chart I posted.

Shite, type in "indo european" into a google images search and a million other charts come up just like it.

LINGUISTS classiffy Urdu as a based off sanskrit. NOT PERSIAN and DEFINITLY NOT ARABIC.

Arabic and Urdu arent even in the same freaking language family.

THe History of Urdu is this:

Zoroarastrian Persia was conquered by the Arabs. THe PErsians spoke a language VERY similar to Sanskrit that was based off of Avestan (<--- Sanskrits sister language)...

EVentually, Farsi was developed, which is another wannabe Arab script (just look at it).

The Persians came into India *as the moghuls* and developed Urdu, which is a wannabe-Farsi script, but in turn STILL tries to look like Arabic.

Both Farsi and Urdu are INDO EUROPEAN LANGUAGES that TRY to look like Arabic but in the end fail.

IF URDU WAS BASED OFF OF ARABIC (OR EVEN FARSI), IT WOULD BE IN THE SAME FAMILY.

[Irreligious Left]

The elite of India and Pakistan speak English, not Urdu or Hindi. That is all.


that not elite at all ... those are wannabes.... !!!!

plzz u dun know about pakistan ok so keep quite !!!

Do you even know what "elite" means?
sheeshh heck yeahh i do ..

I have my doubts, but if you say so. My powers of deduction tell me that English isn't your first language, maybe not even your second. Am I correct?

[punjabi_mundaa]

all bullshit.

Look at the damn chart I posted.

Shite, type in "indo european" into a google images search and a million other charts come up just like it.

LINGUISTS classiffy Urdu as a based off sanskrit. NOT PERSIAN and DEFINITLY NOT ARABIC.

Arabic and Urdu arent even in the same freaking language family.

THe History of Urdu is this:

Zoroarastrian Persia was conquered by the Arabs. THe PErsians spoke a language VERY similar to Sanskrit that was based off of Avestan (<--- Sanskrits sister language)...

EVentually, Farsi was developed, which is another wannabe Arab script (just look at it).

The Persians came into India *as the moghuls* and developed Urdu, which is a wannabe-Farsi script, but in turn STILL tries to look like Arabic.

Both Farsi and Urdu are INDO EUROPEAN LANGUAGES that TRY to look like Arabic but in the end fail.

IF URDU WAS BASED OFF OF ARABIC (OR EVEN FARSI), IT WOULD BE IN THE SAME FAMILY.



WTF?? How is Urdu and Farsi wannabe and failed languages.....thats the most idiotic thing ive heard....Wannabe??? What is Hindi???

[Storms]

WTF?? How is Urdu and Farsi wannabe and failed languages.....thats the most idiotic thing ive heard....Wannabe??? What is Hindi???

punjabi_mundaa,
Don't bother with these guys, they are racist and prejudiced beyond belief... They turned this thread into a Pak v's India thing... as they do with every thread they participate in.

As long as there exist people like this in India, there will never be peace..... they hold too much irrational hatred in their hearts. Maybe in two or three generations time all this hatred will disappear... all we can do is hope that their kids see sense.

Storms

[pedagogue]

Urdu is derived from Arabic.
All languages are derived from Arabic.

[Irreligious Left]

^^Seriously, SuperFOB, stick to stream of consciousness ramblings. Linguistics is not your forte.

[pedagogue]

bite my religious right foo!

[Anacian]

bite my religious right foo!

The "goats" reference was Brother's Grimm, right? My thread dies. :x

[karan!!]

Also, i'd just like to add ( punjabi pride kicking in here ) that the Arayans, who actually inhabited northern India ( balle balle, but actually came from further north ) were thought of as a superior race later when they moved west into the mediterian area. They have colored eyes ( blue) and blonde hair. You still have those pure blooded (hehe) punjabi's getting blue eyes or green eyes etc (and omg it looks so sexy, i might add). (Does anybody see how sad it is when goku goes super-sayain in dbz now? ) Sooo anyway, like I was saying, and how this relates to Urdu, is the Arayans orignally spoke sanskrit, which early Hindu literature was written in, like the Vedas.

please please pleasee shut the fuck up.

Just about everything you said in that post is complete utter garbage. You didnt even spell "Aryan" right.

listen you son of a bitch, I didn't badger you about whatever the fuck you wrote ( all angry btw ), and what I wrote up there is completely right, and true and omg IT IS ARAYAN. Maybe the reason you think its Aryan is over the years the "a" became silient. That happens in many languages.

Whats your beef anyway?

[karan!!]

Hilter also thought the aryans to be a superior race, and the true heir to his motherlands bloodline.

[Sphinx7]

Also, i'd just like to add ( punjabi pride kicking in here ) that the Arayans, who actually inhabited northern India ( balle balle, but actually came from further north ) were thought of as a superior race later when they moved west into the mediterian area. They have colored eyes ( blue) and blonde hair. You still have those pure blooded (hehe) punjabi's getting blue eyes or green eyes etc (and omg it looks so sexy, i might add). (Does anybody see how sad it is when goku goes super-sayain in dbz now? ) Sooo anyway, like I was saying, and how this relates to Urdu, is the Arayans orignally spoke sanskrit, which early Hindu literature was written in, like the Vedas.

please please pleasee shut the fuck up.

Just about everything you said in that post is complete utter garbage. You didnt even spell "Aryan" right.

listen you son of a bitch, I didn't badger you about whatever the fuck you wrote ( all angry btw ), and what I wrote up there is completely right, and true and omg IT IS ARAYAN. Maybe the reason you think its Aryan is over the years the "a" became silient. That happens in many languages.

Whats your beef anyway?

peace

Aryan is not only Sanskrit but Avestan also. The ancient town of Sialk is truly founded b4 the supposed invasion of 1500 BC..

eye dont know about the Hitler part tho. i am currently breakin down some of the issues addressed here about Arabic and Urdu, and the historic realations....

[NumbaOneStunna]

The HINDI you people hear in indian movies etc is actually URDU.
For example everyone thinks "aasmaan" is hindi for sky but in reality its urdu. The hindi word for sky is "aakash".

Overtime urdu has influenced hindi so much that people view urdu words as hindi. Thats why ShivaChrist thinks hindi sounds just like urdu when its actually the other way round.

[methodman535]

How can arabic be the mother of all languages when its only about 2000 years old! Who was this jackass that wrote the book about arabic and offered a challenge. Even the arabs themselves today acknowledge that their language was derived from Aramaic so there goes that fuckin theory. Now gimme my fuckin 50,000 reward.

[PoshNor]

aren't there a lot of words in urdu that are also in arabic??

like sabbar(patience)
shukria
khala(aunt)
jaanath(heaven)

ok i had all these words in my head, but i lost them. brb i'll try to find them. oh yeh stunna is right.

[Tigr]

The HINDI you people hear in indian movies etc is actually URDU.
For example everyone thinks "aasmaan" is hindi for sky but in reality its urdu. The hindi word for sky is "aakash".

Overtime urdu has influenced hindi so much that people view urdu words as hindi. Thats why ShivaChrist thinks hindi sounds just like urdu when its actually the other way round.

You can swap the words hindi and urdu in your argument and come up with the same thing. In fact lets start with the basics...parts of the body..aankh, Naak, haath, Dant...They are all hindi words used in urdu. same with counting...ek, do, teen, chaar etc etc. the basis for Urdu is sanskrit. The fact is everyday street language in both pakistan and India is quite similar. Urdu is not iven indigenous to Pakistan. Punjabi, Sindhi, Pushtu etc are. Urdu was developed and refined by Nawabs in what is now India. Bottom line is that to state that Urdu was derieved from Arabic reflects the sad truth that Pakis have been brain washed into believing that arabic culture is somehow superior to that of their own distant ancestors...that produced Mohenjadaro and Harrappa....with advanced sewer system not found in most third world countries even today.

[NumbaOneStunna]

Aankh is urdu, Hindi word for eye is nayan
This in itself shows me how much people think urdu is actually hindi
daant is derived from the word dantoon which is persian

the ek do teen you talk about are also very similar to persian one two three, In persian it is yek, do , see ....

etc etc , i can go on all day

fact is urdu has influenced hindi a lot more than the other way round
and i never said urdu was derived from arabic, its not, its derived from persian more than any other language

[methodman535]

http://www.kalsi.dk/Urdu.htm


Urdu is an Indo-European language just like English. It is a descendant of Sanskrit just like all other North Indian languages, although it has a Semitic script.

Its edifice is built on the foundations of the Hindi dialect of the Delhi area (khari boli) with a super-structure of Persian.


As the Persian language itself is largely influenced by Arabic, Urdu can be rightly regarded as a synthesis of Hindi, Persian and Arabic. The script has been adopted from Persian (with a few local additions to represent sounds not found in Persian). It is interesting to note that Persian, also an Indo-European language, had gone through the same process in adopting the Arabic script, so that the Arabic, Persian and Urdu alphabets have 28, 32 and 36 letters respectively.


Furthermore Urdu contains words from Turkish, English, Portuguese and several other Indian and foreign languages. The word 'urdu' is Turkish and means a camp (the same root as the English word 'horde'), which points to the origins of the language.


Urdu originally developed as a lingua franca in the Mughal army camps around Delhi. The local vernacular was Hindi, the official language of the administration was Persian and the army consisted of people of many different nationalities. Hence the development of a lingua franca like Urdu was a natural process.


Urdu, as a literary medium, was first employed in the Deccan, at the courts of Bijapur and Golconda. Later on this tradition reached the Mughal court at Delhi and it was here that Urdu poetry blossomed prodigiously . The Golden Age of Urdu poetry was during the peroid of the last Mughal emperors. The very last Mughal king, Bahadur Shah Zafar, was himself an Urdu poet and Mirza Ghalib, the Shakespeare of Urdu literature, was one of his court poets.


But how could a vernacular lingua franca develop into a rich literary language and over so short a period ?


Herein lies the wonder of Urdu ! This synthesis of languages, which Urdu basically is, turned out to be a perfect concoction, a 'magic formula' ! It proved to be a language of grace and beauty, a perfect medium for poetical expression ! It is also unique in its potential for polite, elegant and cultured diction (e.g. as it is spoken in Lucknow) !


The magic spell of Urdu poetry is evident even to this day. Its popularity is amazing. It captures the hearts of all sorts of people, even those who do not master its script or those who only understand it partially. Which other language in the world can make similar claims ? Indeed Urdu is a uniquely wonderful language !!!

[Irreligious Left]

http://www.kalsi.dk/Urdu.htm


Urdu is an Indo-European language just like English. It is a descendant of Sanskrit just like all other North Indian languages, although it has a Semitic script.

Its edifice is built on the foundations of the Hindi dialect of the Delhi area (khari boli) with a super-structure of Persian.


As the Persian language itself is largely influenced by Arabic, Urdu can be rightly regarded as a synthesis of Hindi, Persian and Arabic. The script has been adopted from Persian (with a few local additions to represent sounds not found in Persian). It is interesting to note that Persian, also an Indo-European language, had gone through the same process in adopting the Arabic script, so that the Arabic, Persian and Urdu alphabets have 28, 32 and 36 letters respectively.


Furthermore Urdu contains words from Turkish, English, Portuguese and several other Indian and foreign languages. The word 'urdu' is Turkish and means a camp (the same root as the English word 'horde'), which points to the origins of the language.


Urdu originally developed as a lingua franca in the Mughal army camps around Delhi. The local vernacular was Hindi, the official language of the administration was Persian and the army consisted of people of many different nationalities. Hence the development of a lingua franca like Urdu was a natural process.


Urdu, as a literary medium, was first employed in the Deccan, at the courts of Bijapur and Golconda. Later on this tradition reached the Mughal court at Delhi and it was here that Urdu poetry blossomed prodigiously . The Golden Age of Urdu poetry was during the peroid of the last Mughal emperors. The very last Mughal king, Bahadur Shah Zafar, was himself an Urdu poet and Mirza Ghalib, the Shakespeare of Urdu literature, was one of his court poets.


But how could a vernacular lingua franca develop into a rich literary language and over so short a period ?


Herein lies the wonder of Urdu ! This synthesis of languages, which Urdu basically is, turned out to be a perfect concoction, a 'magic formula' ! It proved to be a language of grace and beauty, a perfect medium for poetical expression ! It is also unique in its potential for polite, elegant and cultured diction (e.g. as it is spoken in Lucknow) !


The magic spell of Urdu poetry is evident even to this day. Its popularity is amazing. It captures the hearts of all sorts of people, even those who do not master its script or those who only understand it partially. Which other language in the world can make similar claims ? Indeed Urdu is a uniquely wonderful language !!!

This is a very nice synthesis of what everyone has been saying, except Storms. When that guy is wrong, he's really wrong.

[methodman535]

and i never said urdu was derived from arabic, its not, its derived from persian more than any other language


I do see one difference between sanskrit, avestan and urdu though. Urdu has masculine and feminine in it, sanksrit does not and neither does modern persian or avestan from which it is derived. So urdu definately either evolved by itself or got features from arabic or some other language, particularly the use of masculine/feminine in the grammar.

[Irreligious Left]

Sanskrit does have gender: masculine, feminine, and neuter.


http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/S/Sanskrit.htm

Scroll down to Morphology and Syntax.

[NumbaOneStunna]

When these articles talk about hindi, its not the hindi thats spoken in india nowadays. This hindi we speak today is more like urdu than it is the hindi of the 17th century. That hindi sounded a lot more like sanskrit.

[Tigr]

Aankh is urdu, Hindi word for eye is nayan
This in itself shows me how much people think urdu is actually hindi
daant is derived from the word dantoon which is persian

the ek do teen you talk about are also very similar to persian one two three, In persian it is yek, do , see ....

etc etc , i can go on all day

fact is urdu has influenced hindi a lot more than the other way round
and i never said urdu was derived from arabic, its not, its derived from persian more than any other language

You defy logic. Ever wonder that perhaps Sanskrit and Persian must be related. Aankh is derieved from sanskrit aksan, and Dant is derieved from Sanskrit dantya. By your logic Urdu must be derieved from french becuase teeth in french is Dent, and the numbers un deaux, trois , quatre, cinq, six, sept, huit, neuf, dix...sound awfully like ek, do, teen chaar, panch, che, sapt, aath, no , das. Its the Indo european connection. Read some more before you open your ignorance for the rest of the world to see.

[NumbaOneStunna]

Aankh is urdu, Hindi word for eye is nayan
This in itself shows me how much people think urdu is actually hindi
daant is derived from the word dantoon which is persian

the ek do teen you talk about are also very similar to persian one two three, In persian it is yek, do , see ....

etc etc , i can go on all day

fact is urdu has influenced hindi a lot more than the other way round
and i never said urdu was derived from arabic, its not, its derived from persian more than any other language

You defy logic. Ever wonder that perhaps Sanskrit and Persian must be related. Aankh is derieved from sanskrit aksan, and Dant is derieved from Sanskrit dantya. By your logic Urdu must be derieved from french becuase teeth in french is Dent, and the numbers un deaux, trois , quatre, cinq, six, sept, huit, neuf, dix...sound awfully like ek, do, teen chaar, panch, che, sapt, aath, no , das. Its the Indo european connection. Read some more before you open your ignorance for the rest of the world to see.
Or maybe you defy logic by stating that the origin of urdu is sanskrit instead of persian when both came from the same source themselves.
And please do tell me why nayan and netr are hindi words for eye

[methodman535]

Sanskrit does have gender: masculine, feminine, and neuter.


http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/S/Sanskrit.htm

Scroll down to Morphology and Syntax.


I stand corrected. That explains perfectly why urdu has gender and farsi does not.

Anyway urdu=hindi when you speak either. Pakis and mughals have been adding persian vocabulary to "high urdu" for centuries, especially in poetry. And indians/hindus have been sanscritizing street hindi/urdu with words from sanskrit which the common speakers dont really understand too well.

Yes urdu is written in arabic script, courtesy of the mughals whose official state language was persian not because desi muslims are "trying so hard to be arabs". At least this is the historical reason...what pakis try to be today is another story.

[Tigr]

Aankh is urdu, Hindi word for eye is nayan
This in itself shows me how much people think urdu is actually hindi
daant is derived from the word dantoon which is persian

the ek do teen you talk about are also very similar to persian one two three, In persian it is yek, do , see ....

etc etc , i can go on all day

fact is urdu has influenced hindi a lot more than the other way round
and i never said urdu was derived from arabic, its not, its derived from persian more than any other language

You defy logic. Ever wonder that perhaps Sanskrit and Persian must be related. Aankh is derieved from sanskrit aksan, and Dant is derieved from Sanskrit dantya. By your logic Urdu must be derieved from french becuase teeth in french is Dent, and the numbers un deaux, trois , quatre, cinq, six, sept, huit, neuf, dix...sound awfully like ek, do, teen chaar, panch, che, sapt, aath, no , das. Its the Indo european connection. Read some more before you open your ignorance for the rest of the world to see.
Or maybe you defy logic by stating that the origin of urdu is sanskrit instead of persian when both came from the same source themselves.
And please do tell me why nayan and netr are hindi words for eye

From an english hindi dictionary
eye N 1. A.nkha,netra,lochana,2. vichAra,3. lakShya,4. upasthiti,5. dhyAna,6. nishAnA,7.cA.nda,8.a.nkura,9.cheda,10.nAkA
eye VT 1. dekhanA,tADanA
eye-µèÑ×è×è N 1. chashmA,ainaka,dR^igopakAraka kA.ncha
eye-ÂÛ½èÆá×è×è N 1. pratyakShadarshI,pratyakSha sAkShI,draShTA
eyeball N 1. A.nkha kI putalI yA tArA,A.nkha kA Dhora
Frankly, I really don't care where Urdu came from. Its mostly english for me now

[NumbaOneStunna]

^^^^Whats the point of all that? I already know hindi

[Tigr]

Also Urdu developed where the local population spoke hindi. If it really evolved from persian, the Iranians would be able to understand Urdu a lot better than people who speak Hindi. They have very little clue what an urdu speaker speaks, while I can pretty much understand everything...except when to insert inshallah or mashallah

[Tigr]

^^^^Whats the point of all that? I already know hindi

The point is aankh is hindi..and not urdu...and if you knew hindi...you must have known that.

[NumbaOneStunna]

Also Urdu developed where the local population spoke hindi. If it really evolved from persian, the Iranians would be able to understand Urdu a lot better than people who speak Hindi. They have very little clue what an urdu speaker speaks, while I can pretty much understand everything...except when to insert inshallah or mashallah
Thats because the hindi you speak is actually more urdu than it is hindi.
And urdu developed in the army not in hindi speaking areas.

[NumbaOneStunna]

^^^^Whats the point of all that? I already know hindi

The point is aankh is hindi..and not urdu...and if you knew hindi...you must have known that.
Haha okay. So you keep believing Lakhsya is another hindi word for eye when actually it means target 8)
BTW chashma is derived from the persian word for "eye" that is "chashm"
So hindi is derived from Persian as well , wow 8)

[Tigr]

Also Urdu developed where the local population spoke hindi. If it really evolved from persian, the Iranians would be able to understand Urdu a lot better than people who speak Hindi. They have very little clue what an urdu speaker speaks, while I can pretty much understand everything...except when to insert inshallah or mashallah
Thats because the hindi you speak is actually more urdu than it is hindi.
And urdu developed in the army not in hindi speaking areas.

Where was the Army located at?

[paulie walnuts]

Also Urdu developed where the local population spoke hindi. If it really evolved from persian, the Iranians would be able to understand Urdu a lot better than people who speak Hindi. They have very little clue what an urdu speaker speaks, while I can pretty much understand everything...except when to insert inshallah or mashallah
Thats because the hindi you speak is actually more urdu than it is hindi.
And urdu developed in the army not in hindi speaking areas.

ok great, now do you actually have a reliable source for all this? (preferably authored by someone not surnamed Khan or Mohammad)

let the furious Googling begin...

[NumbaOneStunna]

Also Urdu developed where the local population spoke hindi. If it really evolved from persian, the Iranians would be able to understand Urdu a lot better than people who speak Hindi. They have very little clue what an urdu speaker speaks, while I can pretty much understand everything...except when to insert inshallah or mashallah
Thats because the hindi you speak is actually more urdu than it is hindi.
And urdu developed in the army not in hindi speaking areas.

Where was the Army located at?
It doesnt matter where it was located since the personnel in there were from all over mostly central asians and pathans

[Tigr]

^^^^Whats the point of all that? I already know hindi

The point is aankh is hindi..and not urdu...and if you knew hindi...you must have known that.
Haha okay. So you keep believing Lakhsya is another hindi word for eye when actually it means target 8)
BTW chashma is derived from the persian word for "eye" that is "chashm"
So hindi is derived from Persian as well , wow 8)



Have you ever used a dictionary. Do you know the meaning of word synonyms. We already established that there's a lot of commonality between persian and sanskrit and hindi words...that's why they belong to the same family.

[NumbaOneStunna]

Also Urdu developed where the local population spoke hindi. If it really evolved from persian, the Iranians would be able to understand Urdu a lot better than people who speak Hindi. They have very little clue what an urdu speaker speaks, while I can pretty much understand everything...except when to insert inshallah or mashallah
Thats because the hindi you speak is actually more urdu than it is hindi.
And urdu developed in the army not in hindi speaking areas.

ok great, now do you actually have a reliable source for all this? (preferably authored by someone not surnamed Khan or Mohammad)

let the furious Googling begin...
No source this is just an observation from me.
For example when you use the word "nazar" you are actually speaking urdu as the hindi word for it is "drishti".
This happens all the time and people still believe they are actually speaking hindi when using words like nazar, chashma etc etc when they never were hindi words but are now being included into hindi due to urdu;s influence.

[adren@line]

Sanskrit and Avestan are practically the same language but with tonal differences.

They are like Greek and Latin, but closer related.

So it breaks down like this:

Urdu is based off of sanskrit, and Farsi/Persian, which in turn is based off Avestan, which is very very similar to Sanskrit (as stated).

Unfortunatly, since the Moghuls were wannabe-Arabs (due to the Arab rule of Persia), they adopted some Arab words into Farsi, which inturn was passed into Urdu, which unfortunatly are both written in Arabic script.




There is no LOGICAL explanation that TWO INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES that were based off sanskrit and avestan were written in an Arabic style OTHER THAN the purpose of imitating Arabs and Arabic.

Saying that Hindi borrows from Urdu, which inturn borrows from Persian, which in turn is based off of Avestan, which is the sister language of Sanskrit is NO BIG DEAL.

They all go back to Sanskrit and Avestan, which came from the same group of people. So really, Urdu has really nothing to do with Arabs or Arabic.

[paulie walnuts]

Also Urdu developed where the local population spoke hindi. If it really evolved from persian, the Iranians would be able to understand Urdu a lot better than people who speak Hindi. They have very little clue what an urdu speaker speaks, while I can pretty much understand everything...except when to insert inshallah or mashallah
Thats because the hindi you speak is actually more urdu than it is hindi.
And urdu developed in the army not in hindi speaking areas.

ok great, now do you actually have a reliable source for all this? (preferably authored by someone not surnamed Khan or Mohammad)

let the furious Googling begin...
No source this is just an observation from me.
For example when you use the word "nazar" you are actually speaking urdu as the hindi word for it is "drishti".
This happens all the time and people still believe they are actually speaking hindi when using words like nazar, chashma etc etc when they never were hindi words but are now being included into hindi due to urdu;s influence.

Ok, that's what I thought.

Now as per your observations, you seem remarkably fluent in true Urdu, Urdu-ized Hindi, and "true" Hindi. How is that?

Also, I was wondering if you know what a "synonym" is. Just curious.

[methodman535]

Unfortunatly, since the Moghuls were wannabe-Arabs (due to the Arab rule of Persia), they adopted some Arab words into Farsi, which inturn was passed into Urdu, which unfortunatly are both written in Arabic script.




You accuse them of being wannabe arabs, yet they used persian as their state language. And let me guess, you dont speak, read or write hindi or urdu do you? So that would make you a wannabe european.

[adren@line]

They are wannabe Arabs in the fact that they delibretly made Farsi and Urdu to look like Arabic, when Farsi and Urdu are not related to Arabic in any significant way.

[methodman535]

They used to be part of the same empire so it made it easier to communicate and learn each other's languages, admittedly learn arabic. if they wanted to be arabs that bad they would have changed their official state language to arabic. When pakistan was formed they toyed with that idea too but decided against it. The desire to imitate arabs is nowhere near as strong as you seem to think it is.

[NumbaOneStunna]

Ok, that's what I thought.

Now as per your observations, you seem remarkably fluent in true Urdu, Urdu-ized Hindi, and "true" Hindi. How is that?

Also, I was wondering if you know what a "synonym" is. Just curious.
Because i know those languages
And yeah i know what "synonym" means. Your point being...?

[punjabi_mundaa]

They are wannabe Arabs in the fact that they delibretly made Farsi and Urdu to look like Arabic, when Farsi and Urdu are not related to Arabic in any significant way.

Just because we write in Arabic script does not make us wannabes......the Latin letters that we use were derived from the Pheonicians......does that make all of Europe wannabes....NO...Pakistan and Iran are not the only non-Arab countries that use the Arabic script..

[adren@line]

Phonecian is related to Latin.

Arabic is in no way related to any Avestan or Sanskrit based language.

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rfradkin/latin-5.gif

[dr_sinister1001]

Also, i'd just like to add ( punjabi pride kicking in here ) that the Arayans, who actually inhabited northern India ( balle balle, but actually came from further north ) were thought of as a superior race later when they moved west into the mediterian area. They have colored eyes ( blue) and blonde hair. You still have those pure blooded (hehe) punjabi's getting blue eyes or green eyes etc (and omg it looks so sexy, i might add). (Does anybody see how sad it is when goku goes super-sayain in dbz now? ) Sooo anyway, like I was saying, and how this relates to Urdu, is the Arayans orignally spoke sanskrit, which early Hindu literature was written in, like the Vedas.

please please pleasee shut the fuck up.

Just about everything you said in that post is complete utter garbage. You didnt even spell "Aryan" right.

What a dumbass, I agree, just about everything that Karan said is garbage. It's sad that there are people who have delusions of superiority with absolutely no real scientific base. Even if that is true and there are some blue eyed (I’ve met Indians with different eye color, but not blue) blonde Indians walking around, how do those particular phenotypes make them superior?

Hilter also thought the aryans to be a superior race, and the true heir to his motherlands bloodline.

So because Hitler (A mad man in his own right, if you've ever seen any of his speeches on film, not to mention all the other insane rhetoric he spewed) says Aryans are the superior race, then it must be true? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously Karan, if you don't think before you post?