U.S terroists kill 90 in afghanistan

[Halal Meat]

I know this thread wont got more then one page but what the hell as long as some Muslims get to read this

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/17/afghanistan.us/index.html


"I offer all Afghans my sincere condolences and personal regrets for the recent loss of innocent life as a result of coalition air strikes," -U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates

And yet these american pigs want sympathy from the world for doing the right thing?? Call me crazy but killing 60 children and having the secretary of defense write a mediocre apology towards Afghans that probably none of them is ever gonna read is ridiculous. If this is not pure terrorism then tell me what is?
Yet when american troops (not children) get attacked in Afghanistan by afghans in self defense its without any proof blamed on al qaeda and they are labeled terrorists :no:

[Halal Meat]

its funny how sarah palins life makes top headlines on TV and these news are only posted on cnn.com
i was trying to find a total death toll of afghans killed but its hard to get an exact number. my friend that linked me to this article said 'they are Muslims, whos counting their dead bodies' :no: so true

[desi_uk]

May Allah bless their souls and grant them Jhannat al firdose Inshallah

[Halal Meat]

May Allah bless their souls and grant them Jhannat al firdose Inshallah

Ameen

[desi_uk]

Ameen

Ameen

they were martyrs and they get the best jhannat

[Spork]

Sad.

Obama in '08.

[desi_uk]

Sad.

Obama in '08.

whats he gonna do invade another country

thats all ya'll do

[Spork]

whats he gonna do invade another country

thats all ya'll do

I can't and will never defend what Bush has done. But Obama is about improving the U.S internally, and backing the hell out in foreign affairs.

Now if you'd rather have McCain and let him bumfuck the rest of the Middle East then be my guest.

[Halal Meat]

Sad.

Obama in '08.

As much as i support obama but one man can't make a difference. Not in these times.
and thats if they let him win..anyway i don't wanna discuss american politics in here. That's CNN/FOX's job to keep public eyes off these overseas crimes they commit

[Spork]

As much as i support obama but one man can't make a difference. Not in these times.
and thats if they let him win..anyway i don't wanna discuss american politics in here. That's CNN/FOX's job to keep public eyes off these overseas crimes they commit

No. But one man, and his vice, and his cabinet, and the power of a supernation can very well can.

I agree that American media is too regulated. I stick to BBC and the such.

[desi_uk]

I can't and will never defend what Bush has done. But Obama is about improving the U.S internally, and backing the hell out in foreign affairs.

Now if you'd rather have McCain and let him bumfuck the rest of the Middle East then be my guest.

I agree Obama is probably the better man i mean what else choice do we have Mccain is just another bush and thats the last thing anyone needs

[ArTmALik]

Everyone on forum who are always in favor of USA army action need to read this..

[Spork]

I agree Obama is probably the better man i mean what else choice do we have Mccain is just another bush and thats the last thing anyone needs

When it comes to the US it's always a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. It's the crappy two-party system that prevents anyone better to come in.

[Spork]

Everyone on forum who are always in favor of USA army action need to read this..

I thought you were fake.

[Halal Meat]

Everyone on forum who are always in favor of USA army action need to read this..

they have
and left without making a post

[desi_uk]

When it comes to the US it's always a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. It's the crappy two-party system that prevents anyone better to come in.

I agree im glad you do aswell

[Spork]

I agree im glad you do aswell

Not all of us Americans are ignorant. But we are the minority.

[desi_uk]

Not all of us Americans are ignorant. But we are the minority.

:hug:

[ArTmALik]

I thought you were fake.
Fake in sense ?
they have
and left without making a post

Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed in iraq and afghanistan already but they just remember 9/11... tow face people..i feel like killing them first.

[Spork]

Fake in sense ?


Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed in iraq and afghanistan already but they just remember 9/11... tow face people..i feel like killing them first.

Your e-persona. The whole "I don't know English fully so I type like so" thing.

[Bullo]

You value muslim life, not life. so fuck what you say or think.

[desi_uk]

People believe what they want to and what they are fed on a daily basis always remember life is not as black and white there is always two sides of every story

[desi_uk]

ignore him

[Halal Meat]

No. But one man, and his vice, and his cabinet, and the power of a supernation can very well can.

I agree that American media is too regulated. I stick to BBC and the such.

nope wrong
media will always have the upper hand and what the public eye perceives.
obama can do all the right things and still wont get credit for it
media controls all and few selected control the media...obama/mccain are just pawns in this game

that's just how it goes now. the media has become too good at this now. they have found the average joe's weakness in america...consciously or uncounciously you are taking in what the media is feeding you.
are you from the states?

[ArTmALik]

You value muslim life, not life. so fuck what you say or think.

Shutup and read carefully.

[Bullo]

Shut and read carefully.

Why? a fucktard Jihadi calls US terrorist state and I'm supposed to take that seriously. Fuck what he and others like him say. I laugh at your asses.

[desi_uk]

nope wrong
media will always have the upper hand and what the public eye perceives.
obama can do all the right things and still wont get credit for it
media controls all and few selected control the media...obama/mccain are just pawns in this game

that's just how it goes now. the media has become too good at this now. they have found the average joe's weakness in america...consciously or uncounciously you are taking in what the media is feeding you.
are you from the states?

yes your right the media has become a weapon of war much more powerful than the bullet once you have the masses support it all green lights

In Britain during the start of the Iraq war about the time of the wmd lies certain newspapers used to ask Tony Blair for his input on what headline to print and thats a fact

[desi_uk]

Why? a fucktard Jihadi calls US terrorist state and I'm supposed to take that seriously. Fuck what he and others like him say. I laugh at your asses.

one mans enemy is another mans saviour

now hop it

[ArTmALik]

Why? a fucktard Jihadi calls US terrorist state and I'm supposed to take that seriously. Fuck what he and others like him say. I laugh at your asses.

I thought u were some educated person with knowledge but you only like to see one side of picture..and thats what u stick to.. You should be more open minded my friend..See the reality..See the cruelty and if u can't BUZZ off cant i dont care and no one cares.

[Halal Meat]

You value muslim life, not life. so fuck what you say or think.

:rofl:
i was there at 9/11 sending food and clothes to manhattan
i drove people to their homes from the lincoln tunnle who walked across
i have friends in afghan/iraq who families are going through the hardest time of their lives...i've been to their houses spoken to thier parents..go ask them what i value

let me guess you have a 'support our troops' sticker in the back of your car? so you think you are valuing life?
i have a sticker on my car too it says 'support our troops, bring them back home'
please shut the fuck up with your nonsense bullshit

[Spork]

nope wrong
media will always have the upper hand and what the public eye perceives.
obama can do all the right things and still wont get credit for it
media controls all and few selected control the media...obama/mccain are just pawns in this game

that's just how it goes now. the media has become too good at this now. they have found the average joe's weakness in america...consciously or uncounciously you are taking in what the media is feeding you.
are you from the states?

Yes, I'm from NY. ~point to location~

You're never really sure who's in control. It could be the media feeding out lies and their own propoganda. It could be lobbyists that put money in politicians pockets to make sure some bills do/don't get passed. You got high end companies doling out campaign funds in hopes that their future is secure.

No one really KNOWS whats going on in the hierarchy of the government, but the results can be seen equally.

[Halal Meat]

Why? a fucktard Jihadi calls US terrorist state and I'm supposed to take that seriously. Fuck what he and others like him say. I laugh at your asses.
:rofl:

giving someone a uniform and telling them to kill isn't justified nor is it any different from a terrorist act
i value muslim life as much as i want the 18-25 year old (non muslims) kids who are in iraq/afghan fighting to come back

[Cunard]

I know this thread wont got more then one page but what the hell as long as some Muslims get to read this

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/17/afghanistan.us/index.html


"I offer all Afghans my sincere condolences and personal regrets for the recent loss of innocent life as a result of coalition air strikes," -U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates

And yet these american pigs want sympathy from the world for doing the right thing?? Call me crazy but killing 60 children and having the secretary of defense write a mediocre apology towards Afghans that probably none of them is ever gonna read is ridiculous. If this is not pure terrorism then tell me what is?
Yet when american troops (not children) get attacked in Afghanistan by afghans in self defense its without any proof blamed on al qaeda and they are labeled terrorists :no:

your bitiching about CNN...but yet your article is a CNN link.....infact its front page on CNN World

And when the fuck do terrorists ever investigate who they killed....and then apologize when civilians are hit by mistake....oh wait.....muslim terrorists usually try to kill as many civilians as possible and only investigate when they dont kill enough...my mistake

online jihadis...and then they wonder why Islam has such a shit image

[desi_uk]

your bitiching about CNN...but yet your article is a CNN link.....infact its front page on CNN World

And when the fuck do terrorists ever investigate who they killed....and then apologize when civilians are hit by mistake....oh wait.....muslim terrorists usually try to kill as many civilians as possible and only investigate when they dont kill enough...my mistake

online jihadis...and then they wonder why Islam has such a shit image

so the apologies are gonna bring them back to life

[BKnight]

your bitiching about CNN...but yet your article is a CNN link.....infact its front page on CNN World

And when the fuck do terrorists ever investigate who they killed....and then apologize when civilians are hit by mistake....oh wait.....muslim terrorists usually try to kill as many civilians as possible and only investigate when they dont kill enough...my mistake

online jihadis...and then they wonder why Islam has such a shit image

Point noted:
Difference between a terrorist and a civilized person is a two line apology.

[Cunard]

so the apologies are gonna bring them back to life

off course not......but it shows the difference between a terrorist and normal everyday people..........cause normal everyday people dont wake up chanting religious slogans and boasting how many civilians they killed...they actually feel remourse when shit goes wrong and the innocent die

[desi_uk]

It dosnt matter how many they kill they will always be right and we will always be wrong we will always be the terrorists and thats a good enough excuse to invade and kill innocent people

[Halal Meat]

your bitiching about CNN...but yet your article is a CNN link.....infact its front page on CNN World

And when the fuck do terrorists ever investigate who they killed....and then apologize when civilians are hit by mistake....oh wait.....muslim terrorists usually try to kill as many civilians as possible and only investigate when they dont kill enough...my mistake

online jihadis...and then they wonder why Islam has such a shit image


'And when the fuck do terrorists ever investigate who they killed'
there you go..no difference between american army officials who give out orders and terrorists

and im ignoring the rest of your posts...honestly i dont even know what to say to you after reading that :rofl:
cant reason with people who are brainwashed

[americanmohit]

one day americans will be crying, when something bad happens to usa. no one in the world will give a damn fuck

[Halal Meat]

one day americans will be crying as a result for what it's doing against innocent muslims.. no one in the world will give a damn fuck if something really bad happens to america.

haha man people take this in such a wrong way...i think i speak for all the muslim posters in this thread when i say revenge is not what we want...but rather an end to this meaningless war that has killed countless innocents

[americanmohit]

haha man people take this in such a wrong way...i think i speak for all the muslim posters in this thread when i say revenge is not what we want...but rather an end to this meaningless war that has killed countless innocents

america is suffering the results for its bad thing...lehman brother is fucked up and its a sign of another declining in US economic. see and what happens in the future. lol. america is gonna be a poor county in the future.

[Halal Meat]

america is suffering the results for its bad thing...lehman brother is fucked up and its a sign of another declining in US economic. see and what happens in the future. lol. america is gonna be a poor county in the future.

all those things are fixable...60 children killed in one attack is inhumane

[BKnight]

off course not......but it shows the difference between a terrorist and normal everyday people..........cause normal everyday people dont wake up chanting religious slogans and boasting how many civilians they killed...they actually feel remourse when shit goes wrong and the innocent die

Those may be the ways of certain extremists but they(extremists) do not define terrorism, killing innocent people (60 fucking children) without/WITH proper investigation is terrorism.

[Siesta]

Why? a fucktard Jihadi calls US terrorist state and I'm supposed to take that seriously. Fuck what he and others like him say. I laugh at your asses.
halol

[di vinci]

Those may be the ways of certain extremists but they(extremists) do not define terrorism, killing innocent people (60 fucking children) without/WITH proper investigation is terrorism.
not if your in the war against terror. they are just victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time

[fr00ti]

one day americans will be crying, when something bad happens to usa. no one in the world will give a damn fuck

america is suffering the results for its bad thing...lehman brother is fucked up and its a sign of another declining in US economic. see and what happens in the future. lol. america is gonna be a poor county in the future.

Seriously; you're bashing about a country that you migrated to looking for better opportunities that India couldn't provide you with? What happened to Lehman Brothers, Meryl Lynch, etc.. this country has already seen that go down before. It's valid that if America goes down in their economy, so will the rest of the world. USA's stock markets effect the world. So your shit of a country will also be feeding off rice petals. You can't underestimate the power of USA.
While you feed, live, and grow off the grounds of a soil that provided you with opportunity and a better way of life and yet talk smack of it, why are you here? Go back to your effin country.

As per the article, it's unfortunate that happens every day. Every day. Civilians will continue to get killed, raped, ripped open as the terrorists hide behind them leaving them open for brutality.

If an Israeli child walks into Palestine's grounds, there's no question what will happen to him/her as a Palestinian child walks into Jewish grounds.

=/

[the big d]

As much as i support obama but one man can't make a difference. Not in these times.
and thats if they let him win..anyway i don't wanna discuss american politics in here. That's CNN/FOX's job to keep public eyes off these overseas crimes they commit

bush sure made a differenece

[desi_uk]

not if your in the war against terror. they are just victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time

like i said terrorism gives justification and no one questions, like you said they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, try telling that to their family

[desi_uk]

Seriously; you're bashing about a country that you migrated to looking for better opportunities that India couldn't provide you with? What happened to Lehman Brothers, Meryl Lynch, etc.. this country has already seen that go down before. It's valid that if America goes down in their economy, so will the rest of the world. USA's stock markets effect the world. So your shit of a country will also be feeding off rice petals. You can't underestimate the power of USA.
While you feed, live, and grow off the grounds of a soil that provided you with opportunity and a better way of life and yet talk smack of it, why are you here? Go back to your effin country.

As per the article, it's unfortunate that happens every day. Every day. Civilians will continue to get killed, raped, ripped open as the terrorists hide behind them leaving them open for brutality.

If an Israeli child walks into Palestine's grounds, there's no question what will happen to him/her as a Palestinian child walks into Jewish grounds.

=/

how are the afghan people terrorists please explain?

[di vinci]

Seriously; you're bashing about a country that you migrated to looking for better opportunities that India couldn't provide you with? What happened to Lehman Brothers, Meryl Lynch, etc.. this country has already seen that go down before. It's valid that if America goes down in their economy, so will the rest of the world. USA's stock markets effect the world. So your shit of a country will also be feeding off rice petals. You can't underestimate the power of USA.
While you feed, live, and grow off the grounds of a soil that provided you with opportunity and a better way of life and yet talk smack of it, why are you here? Go back to your effin country.

As per the article, it's unfortunate that happens every day. Every day. Civilians will continue to get killed, raped, ripped open as the terrorists hide behind them leaving them open for brutality.

If an Israeli child walks into Palestine's grounds, there's no question what will happen to him/her as a Palestinian child walks into Jewish grounds.

=/


you should watch .. where the hell is osama bin laden.. the palestinians were much more hospitable then the jews.. the jews even try attacking the host for asking them a simple questions

[fr00ti]

how are the afghan people terrorists please explain?
Where did I say that afghan people are terrorists? The ones who plead allegiance to kill but yet hide behind civilians at the point of war are terrorists. What I said was a generic statement.
you should watch .. where the hell is osama bin laden.. the palestinians were much more hospitable then the jews.. the jews even try attacking the host for asking them a simple questions

lol I dunno..maybe Musharraf is hid Osama Bin Laden so well while he was being pro-USA. Perhaps that's why Democrats are so vs Pakistan.

And I am sure of what you said. Palestinians are probably more hospitable but it's no question what already do to each other.. involving women and children.

[di vinci]

Where did I say that afghan people are terrorists? The ones who plead allegiance to kill but yet hide behind civilians at the point of war are terrorists. What I said was a generic statement.


lol I dunno..maybe Musharraf is hid Osama Bin Laden so well while he was being pro-USA. Perhaps that's why Democrats are so vs Pakistan.

And I am sure of what you said. Palestinians are probably more hospitable but it's no question what already do to each other.. involving women and children.

both sides have blood on their hands.. where one uses "protecting" our state at all cost.. the other uses which ever means necessary to make a point

they have an eye for an eye mentality there.. you killed my family im gona kill your family.. when will the violence stop? we will never knw

[Gladiator]

lol I dunno..maybe Musharraf is hid Osama Bin Laden so well while he was being pro-USA. Perhaps that's why Democrats are so vs Pakistan.

And I am sure of what you said. Palestinians are probably more hospitable but it's no question what already do to each other.. involving women and children.


If you look at the history of Pakistan-US relations, you'll see that the Democrats always had a negative attitude towards Pakistan compared to the Republicans.

[fr00ti]

both sides have blood on their hands.. where one uses "protecting" our state at all cost.. the other uses which ever means necessary to make a point

they have an eye for an eye mentality there.. you killed my family im gona kill your family.. when will the violence stop? we will never knw
Killing for family is one thing..but killing in the name of religion?

+ repped.
If you look at the history of Pakistan-US relations, you'll see that the Democrats always had a negative attitude towards Pakistan compared to the Republicans.

Yes sir. Already knew that. Do you still remember when Bush ran for the elections the first time...He didn't know who Musharaff was..

[americanmohit]

Seriously; you're bashing about a country that you migrated to looking for better opportunities that India couldn't provide you with? What happened to Lehman Brothers, Meryl Lynch, etc.. this country has already seen that go down before. It's valid that if America goes down in their economy, so will the rest of the world. USA's stock markets effect the world. So your shit of a country will also be feeding off rice petals. You can't underestimate the power of USA.
While you feed, live, and grow off the grounds of a soil that provided you with opportunity and a better way of life and yet talk smack of it, why are you here? Go back to your effin country.

As per the article, it's unfortunate that happens every day. Every day. Civilians will continue to get killed, raped, ripped open as the terrorists hide behind them leaving them open for brutality.

If an Israeli child walks into Palestine's grounds, there's no question what will happen to him/her as a Palestinian child walks into Jewish grounds.

=/

the opportunities in india are getting better due to its booming economic. the indian shares suffered the decline after lehman brothers filed its bankruptcy. later we recovered and made 0.99% lost in its stock and its not a big deal. some other countries made 5 or more percentage of loss.

there is always many ways to deal with the problem, if the world is having decline due to bad american economic, they will deal with it. India has already so many investments from asia, europe. you surely heard of some high leveled indian people purchasing foreign companies to run. Indian economic didn't decline and continue to rise after 9/11

the land of opportunity America won't be a land of opportunity in the future. its gonna be a poor country, future tells it.

yeah i will go back one day i dont wanna live here coz its so boring country. fucking piece of shit.

[americanmohit]

you should watch .. where the hell is osama bin laden.. the palestinians were much more hospitable then the jews.. the jews even try attacking the host for asking them a simple questions

as long as there is israel killing innocent people, there is no peace in the world

America, Israel and Britain are the biggest idiot nations.

[desi_uk]

Where did I say that afghan people are terrorists? The ones who plead allegiance to kill but yet hide behind civilians at the point of war are terrorists. What I said was a generic statement.


lol I dunno..maybe Musharraf is hid Osama Bin Laden so well while he was being pro-USA. Perhaps that's why Democrats are so vs Pakistan.

And I am sure of what you said. Palestinians are probably more hospitable but it's no question what already do to each other.. involving women and children.

kill who?

[di vinci]

Killing for family is one thing..but killing in the name of religion?

+ repped.


Yes sir. Already knew that. Do you still remember when Bush ran for the elections the first time...He didn't know who Musharaff was..
most of these suicide bombers that you see in palestine have a hidden story.. it always revolves around revenge. all it takes is for some-one to tell you to make a differance strap this too yourself and kill more of them.

they only use religion to get a greater sympathiser onboard.. its like the bjp and the hindutva in indian.. they get the hindu "uneducated guys" worked up.. then they watched them go and do some crazy shite... its the same thing everwhere else..

u see itin the uk too.. how the bnp telling the white folks desi have stole their jobs.. desi only took those jobs because the WHITEMAN WAS WAY TOO GOOD FOR THAT PARTICULAR JOB.

[Cunard]

as long as there is israel killing innocent people, there is no peace in the world

America, Israel and Britain are the biggest idiot nations.

So i guess New Delhi and Mumbai deserve the terrorist bombings too right?

was it 32 killed the other day in Delhi and over 200 injured?

btw....the three nations you mentioned are probably Indias cloesest friends in world when it comes to trade and defense ties.....just a thought :dunno:

[fr00ti]

the opportunities in india are getting better due to its booming economic. the indian shares suffered the decline after lehman brothers filed its bankruptcy. later we recovered and made 0.99% lost in its stock and its not a big deal. some other countries made 5 or more percentage of loss.

there is always many ways to deal with the problem, if the world is having decline due to bad american economic, they will deal with it. India has already so many investments from asia, europe. you surely heard of some high leveled indian people purchasing foreign companies to run. Indian economic didn't decline and continue to rise after 9/11

the land of opportunity America won't be a land of opportunity in the future. its gonna be a poor country, future tells it.

yeah i will go back one day i dont wanna live here coz its so boring country. fucking piece of shit.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/14/business/escort.php

^No matter how much India's prosperity grows, y'all will downgrade with AIDS.
Yeah, if sex trade in India is helping a lot, then I won't retaliate on the prosperous economy of the country. *thumbs up*

"if the world is having decline due to bad american economic, they will deal with it."

^bad answer.

Well, to you Mohit, with no negativity with your fobbish mindset, I hope you take your 7/11 business ventures to India with pride and deliver.

[americanmohit]

So i guess New Delhi and Mumbai deserve the terrorist bombings too right?

was it 32 killed the other day in Delhi and over 200 injured?

Kashmir is one of the reasons for terrorists attacks.

[di vinci]

as long as there is israel killing innocent people, there is no peace in the world

America, Israel and Britain are the biggest idiot nations.


SO TRUE.. BRITAIN, AMERICA, RUSSIA, CHINA, FRANCE... supply these third world countries with firearms,.. then they sit back and say..it wasnt us... we were only supply weapons to help the army... in turn the army destroys everything in sight

[americanmohit]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/14/business/escort.php

^No matter how much India's prosperity grows, y'all will downgrade with AIDS.
Yeah, if sex trade in India is helping a lot, then I won't retaliate on the prosperous economy of the country. *thumbs up*

"if the world is having decline due to bad american economic, they will deal with it."

^bad answer.

Well, to you Mohit, with no negativity with your fobbish mindset, I hope you take your 7/11 business ventures to India with pride and deliver.


whateverrrrr..9/11 was biggest incident compared to 7/11
anyway.the number of companies in Bombay Stock Exchange is more than 6000 which is second to NYSE :eek:

[Cunard]

Seriously; you're bashing about a country that you migrated to looking for better opportunities that India couldn't provide you with? What happened to Lehman Brothers, Meryl Lynch, etc.. this country has already seen that go down before. It's valid that if America goes down in their economy, so will the rest of the world. USA's stock markets effect the world. So your shit of a country will also be feeding off rice petals. You can't underestimate the power of USA.
While you feed, live, and grow off the grounds of a soil that provided you with opportunity and a better way of life and yet talk smack of it, why are you here? Go back to your effin country.

As per the article, it's unfortunate that happens every day. Every day. Civilians will continue to get killed, raped, ripped open as the terrorists hide behind them leaving them open for brutality.

If an Israeli child walks into Palestine's grounds, there's no question what will happen to him/her as a Palestinian child walks into Jewish grounds.

=/

:werd:

[americanmohit]

SO TRUE.. BRITAIN, AMERICA, RUSSIA, CHINA, FRANCE... supply these third world countries with firearms,.. then they sit back and say..it wasnt us... we were only supply weapons to help the army... in turn the army destroys everything in sight

I mostly blame to USA, Israel for whatever is happening in islamic country.

[desi_uk]

SO TRUE.. BRITAIN, AMERICA, RUSSIA, CHINA, FRANCE... supply these third world countries with firearms,.. then they sit back and say..it wasnt us... we were only supply weapons to help the army... in turn the army destroys everything in sight

poor countries are always exploited by the rich thats why the poor keeps on getting poorer and the rich keep on getting richer

[xogirlie girlxo]

Thanks halal meat on the account of we never get to hear about their casualties.

[fr00ti]

whateverrrrr..9/11 was biggest incident compared to 7/11
anyway.the number of companies in Bombay Stock Exchange is more than 6000 which is second to NYSE :eek:

wow. :-|

You definitely don't know how to read as well as write. =/

[desi_uk]

wow. :-|

You definitely don't know how to read as well as write. =/

can you explain who the afghan terrorists are killing, you didnt answer my question?

[desi_uk]

Where did I say that afghan people are terrorists? The ones who plead allegiance to kill but yet hide behind civilians at the point of war are terrorists. What I said was a generic statement.


lol I dunno..maybe Musharraf is hid Osama Bin Laden so well while he was being pro-USA. Perhaps that's why Democrats are so vs Pakistan.

And I am sure of what you said. Palestinians are probably more hospitable but it's no question what already do to each other.. involving women and children.

those women and children fight on their own accord because they want their country back, and women are used by many conventional armies, although i agree they shouldnt not in any circumstances

[desi_uk]

Where did I say that afghan people are terrorists? The ones who plead allegiance to kill but yet hide behind civilians at the point of war are terrorists. What I said was a generic statement.


lol I dunno..maybe Musharraf is hid Osama Bin Laden so well while he was being pro-USA. Perhaps that's why Democrats are so vs Pakistan.

And I am sure of what you said. Palestinians are probably more hospitable but it's no question what already do to each other.. involving women and children.

they are defending their home land from invaders what do you expect them to do keel over and let them take over, wouldnt your defend your land if some other country opposed themselves on you, did they ask for war, did they pose any real threat to you, NO

[Siddy3242]

The media is the right arm of anarchy :no:

[Halal Meat]

Seriously; you're bashing about a country that you migrated to looking for better opportunities that India couldn't provide you with? What happened to Lehman Brothers, Meryl Lynch, etc.. this country has already seen that go down before. It's valid that if America goes down in their economy, so will the rest of the world. USA's stock markets effect the world. So your shit of a country will also be feeding off rice petals. You can't underestimate the power of USA.
While you feed, live, and grow off the grounds of a soil that provided you with opportunity and a better way of life and yet talk smack of it, why are you here? Go back to your effin country.

As per the article, it's unfortunate that happens every day. Every day. Civilians will continue to get killed, raped, ripped open as the terrorists hide behind them leaving them open for brutality.

If an Israeli child walks into Palestine's grounds, there's no question what will happen to him/her as a Palestinian child walks into Jewish grounds.

=/
lmao at you pulling out the 'you live in this country so don't talk shit about it' card
i thought this country had freedom of speech if the person next to you has a diff opinion so be it..move the fuck along. and i who started the thread didn't even bash the country instead the people that run it. unlike most of you in here who bash on the entire religion (over 2 billion people) over a few terrorists expense

its not unfortunate its kids women and poor civilians killed...
"'it's unfortunate that happens every day. Every day. Civilians will continue to get killed, raped, ripped open as the terrorists hide behind them leaving them open for brutality."

its not unfortunate its kids women and poor civilians killed...
you're talking out of your ass with that bullshit. stop posting quotes out of superhero movies..its not that hard to see the difference between 60 armed men and 60 innocent children.
if its unfortunate then i can say the embassy bombing which are blamed on al qaeda are unfortunate events
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/17/yemen.blast/index.html

[RacingSoul]

Ameen

they were martyrs and they get the best jhannat

lmfao!

[desi_uk]

lmfao!

one who is robbed of their life, what do you find funny about that

[Halal Meat]

:werd:

lol how quickly you jumped on that with :werd:
when my initial post could've done with a simple :werd: but instead you come here with your brain full of nothing but hate towards a religion and one sided points

[RacingSoul]

one who is robbed of their life, what do you find funny about that

I'm not laughing at the loss of their lives, i'm just laughing at what you think.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

rest in peace to those dead.

[desi_uk]

I'm not laughing at the loss of their lives, i'm just laughing at what you think.

well laugh away dont let me stop you

[FistaCuffs]

lol

[baliwala]

:no:

[Halal Meat]

both sides have blood on their hands.. where one uses "protecting" our state at all cost.. the other uses which ever means necessary to make a point

they have an eye for an eye mentality there.. you killed my family im gona kill your family.. when will the violence stop? we will never knw

you my friend are the biggest idiot on here
you take an army into another country hoping for what? them feeding you laddos?
ofcourse there's gonna be retaliation...they cant have the privilege to protect their state, family, kids, women at all costs?
that country doesn't have a controlled army.. so if a civilian grabs an AK and shots and soldiers because his kids got killed and wife got raped the night before you blinded by american media call that terrorism. :no:

[sameer]

ha i didnt know suicide bombers were self defense. "yeah i usually drive an armored truck with a ton of explosives just in case"

[VegasThug]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

[desi_uk]

ha i didnt know suicide bombers were self defense. "yeah i usually drive an armored truck with a ton of explosives just in case"

what are you dribbling on about?

[sameer]

what are you dribbling on about?
the original post :rolleyes:

[sameer]

that country doesn't have a controlled army

actually the country has a government and army that is currently happy to have the usa around. therefore any civilian who takes up arms against the american forces in afghanistan is going against the wishes of his country and is a terrorist. any claim otherwise is saying you advocate anarchy, although for you that wouldnt be much of a surprise. anything you can find to justify killing an american troop serves you fine, no matter how outlandish the claim is... such as pretending that the current situation in afganistan is about (paraphrased) "the afghans are defending their country against an invading army" - that stopped being true several years ago.

[desi_uk]

actually the country has a government and army that is currently happy to have the usa around. therefore any civilian who takes up arms against the american forces in afghanistan is going against the wishes of his country and is a terrorist. any claim otherwise is saying you advocate anarchy.

the goverment of Afghanistan is a joke and certainly not favoured by the general public they are a puppet goverement placed to serve the American interest and how is he going against the wishes of his nation if he takes up arms against the americans, the general public are against the invasion and they represent the true voice of Afghanistan not no puppet whose being bum fucked up the back side by his masters

[Halal Meat]

ha i didnt know suicide bombers were self defense. "yeah i usually drive an armored truck with a ton of explosives just in case"

lmao
go walk around in harlem people are walking with knives and guns all the time for protection and self defense

when you live in a country where you get shot at 24/7 what do you expect them to do? not be armed? they get w/e is convenient. in their case explosives.
the mindset that america has put them in is this 'we're gonna die anyways...might as well kill a few'
but still you close minded americans will never learn. you call Palestinians terrorist even tho they fought back with rocks. now sit there for a minute and rethink what you said

[Halal Meat]

i'll reply to the rest later

[sameer]

the goverment of Afghanistan is a joke and certainly not favoured by the general public they are a puppet goverement placed to serve the American interest and how is he going against the wishes of his nation if he takes up arms against the americans, the general public are against the invasion and they represent the true voice of Afghanistan not no puppet whose being bum fucked up the back side by his masters
any evidence to back up your claims that the wishes of the nation are to kill the americans in the country? i seem to highly doubt that even in afghanistan that the majority of people advocate random afghanis killing americans.

if afghans wish for the americans to leave, they should take up the cause through government and politics.

[sameer]

lmao
go walk around in harlem people are walking with knives and guns all the time for protection and self defense

when you live in a country where you get shot at 24/7 what do you expect them to do? not be armed? they get w/e is convenient. in their case explosives.
the mindset that america has put them in is this 'we're gonna die anyways...might as well kill a few'
but still you close minded americans will never learn. you call Palestinians terrorist even tho they fought back with rocks. now sit there for a minute and rethink what you said

you are exaggerating big time. and plus the point i was making is suicide bombings are not self-defense. its premeditated murder.

[paulie walnuts]

I know this thread wont got more then one page but what the hell as long as some Muslims get to read this

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/17/afghanistan.us/index.html


"I offer all Afghans my sincere condolences and personal regrets for the recent loss of innocent life as a result of coalition air strikes," -U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates

And yet these american pigs want sympathy from the world for doing the right thing?? Call me crazy but killing 60 children and having the secretary of defense write a mediocre apology towards Afghans that probably none of them is ever gonna read is ridiculous. If this is not pure terrorism then tell me what is?
Yet when american troops (not children) get attacked in Afghanistan by afghans in self defense its without any proof blamed on al qaeda and they are labeled terrorists :no:do you feel that those civilians were targeted in the air strike and that their deaths were intentional?

[desi_uk]

any evidence to back up your claims that the wishes of the nation are to kill the americans in the country? i seem to highly doubt that even in afghanistan that the majority of people advocate random afghanis killing americans.

if afghans wish for the americans to leave, they should take up the cause through government and politics.

The wishes of the nation is not to kill anyone but to live peacefully and have a chance in life just like any american would. The more these kind of attacks occur the more the general public are going to take arms and try and defend themselves.

Now you tell the family of these victims their brothers, fathers, sons, uncles would you blame them to seek revenge would you blame them to hate the invading forces who carried out this attack, would you blame them to take arms, are they now a terrorist because the seek to take justice, just as the american people are?

[di vinci]

you my friend are the biggest idiot on here
you take an army into another country hoping for what? them feeding you laddos?
ofcourse there's gonna be retaliation...they cant have the privilege to protect their state, family, kids, women at all costs?
that country doesn't have a controlled army.. so if a civilian grabs an AK and shots and soldiers because his kids got killed and wife got raped the night before you blinded by american media call that terrorism. :no:


you must be a bigger idiot then me. read my previous post weirdo. regarding this issue.. i understand why these people blow themselves up. what drives them to that extent.

[Samad]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

What he said!

[HU55AIN]

Damn, I'm always late to such debates...:ashamed:

on side note...I fully support the annihilation of coalition forces in Iraq, Afghnaistan and every other territory held by western forces.

[di vinci]

Damn, I'm always late to such debates...:ashamed:

on side note...I fully support the annihilation of coalition forces in Iraq, Afghnaistan and every other territory held by western forces.
:-|

i just hope our boys comeback in one peice... comeback today

[HU55AIN]

:-|

i just hope our boys comeback in one peice... comeback today

F**k em

[di vinci]

F**k em
they are just follwing orders.. you can blame them.. they are doing a job.. (even hou u dont give a dam) those faces have families and a story of themselves to tell

[nayeemx33]

on side note...I fully support the annihilation of coalition forces in Iraq, Afghnaistan and every other territory held by western forces.

F**k em

You're an idiot

[HU55AIN]

they are just follwing orders.. you can blame them.. they are doing a job.. (even hou u dont give a dam) those faces have families and a story of themselves to tell

I guess your forgetting about the innocent families that suffer day in and day out by brutal force these forces put them thorugh, they strip their respect and dignity and you expect me to give them sympathy?...I used to..but after all teh human right abuses to prisoners and normal civilians i have no love for our forces..They can just rot.

[HU55AIN]

You're an idiot

So are you!

[di vinci]

I guess your forgetting about the innocent families that suffer day in and day out by brutal force these forces put them thorugh, they strip their respect and dignity and you expect me to give them sympathy?...I used to..but after all teh human right abuses to prisoners and normal civilians i have no love for our forces..They can just rot.
i have friends and family (in the admin side) in the arm forces.. so take it back:mad:

[jumpn jza]

Fucking mass murderers, their foriegn policy is fucking genocide. Hang them all.

[HU55AIN]

i have friends and family (in the admin side) in the arm forces.. so take it back:mad:

Im sorry to hear that. But lets exclude the admin side of the powerhouse military of the United Kingdom of Great Britain?

You think Muslims are right in fighting under non muslim leaders? Islamically, You can only defend your own country if it came under attack, However, as the world knows the current sitaution is just a offensive and good old school tactics of robbing countries of their natural resources? no?

[HU55AIN]

Fucking mass murderers, their foriegn policy is fucking genocide. Hang them all.

Word, :salut:

[di vinci]

Im sorry to hear that. But lets exclude the admin side of the powerhouse military of the United Kingdom of Great Britain?

You think Muslims are right in fighting under non muslim leaders? Islamically, You can only defend your own country if it came under attack, However, as th world knows the current sitaution is just a offensive and good old school tactics of robbing countries of their natural resources? no?


as i agree with you.. arent we supporting these cursades indirectly.. we want our quality of life to stay this way.. any threat to it our gonvernments will take appropbiate actions to make sure we have our resoursec to function as a country..

[HU55AIN]

as i agree with you.. arent we supporting these cursades indirectly.. we want our quality of life to stay this way.. any threat to it our gonvernments will take appropbiate actions to make sure we have our resoursec to function as a country..

I rather live honestly, then going killing thousands just to benefit myself,
Me doing this, isnt it like erasing my own brotherhood? Killing muslims is like killing myself. Maybe the Western govts need to learn, their are consequences when you fuck with other people...

Its about time they accepted that no-one can rule over Afghanistan...LEARN from history the great USSR got slaughtered and so are coalition forces.

[di vinci]

I rather live honestly, then going killing thousands just to benefit myself,
Me doing this, isnt it like erasing my own brotherhood? Killing muslims is like killing myself. Maybe the Western govts need to learn, their are consequences when you fuck with other people...

Its about time they accepted that no-one can rule over Afghanistan...LEARN from history the great USSR got slaughtered and so are coalition forces.


according to channel 4.. the taliban are back in greater force.. now they are using gueralla warfare

[HU55AIN]

according to channel 4.. the taliban are back in greater force.. now they are using gueralla warfare

Ofcourse, they are pretty smart. In a rugourous mountain range, only they know it inside out, while american generals use tom toms or google earth...
A very good and efficient way to combat militarily stronger army.

I laugh the pakistan ISI is involved in their training, slap in the faces of the west.

[jumpn jza]

Al Jazeera English - http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2008/09/2008917144427941802.html

[ChaalBaaz]

I know this thread wont got more then one page but what the hell as long as some Muslims get to read this

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/17/afghanistan.us/index.html


are you an idiot or someone who is blatantly oblivious to the fact that even afghan hindus and christians do exist. why do you pull out the muslim card so quickly. you are so fucking transparent.

[TDSR]

Damn, I'm always late to such debates...:ashamed:

on side note...I fully support the annihilation of coalition forces in Iraq, Afghnaistan and every other territory held by western forces.

^I sincerely wish Sameer would put in place some sort of a fail-safe on this site to warn the authorities and have guys like this dragged away to Gitmo.

[TDSR]

Fucking mass murderers, their foriegn policy is fucking genocide. Hang them all.

Hang the entirety of the Taliban and Al Quaida first and then we'll work on the Republicans.

[RacingSoul]

Damn, I'm always late to such debates...:ashamed:

on side note...I fully support the annihilation of coalition forces in Iraq, Afghnaistan and every other territory held by western forces.

GO JIHADI! GET YOUR JIHADI GROOVE ON AND HIT THE DANCE FLOOR...SHOW THEM WHO'S JIHAD-JOE! :salut:

[FistaCuffs]

GO JIHADI! GET YOUR JIHADI GROOVE ON AND HIT THE DANCE FLOOR...SHOW THEM WHO'S JIHAD-JOE! :salut:

Lol

[Fresh-Connection]

I don't understand why it took almost a month for them to issue an apology when it was clear 48 hours later that those who were killed were all civillians by UN officials.

If the US continue making these 'mistakes' then they can continue to expect a backlash.

[jumpn jza]

Hang the entirety of the Taliban and Al Quaida first and then we'll work on the Republicans.

When I say "hang them all" my anger is directed towards the reactionaries who gain off the misery of others. Having said that, I support those who resist imperialist occupations whether it's in Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine. Kay? Kay.

[TDSR]

When I say "hang them all" my anger is directed towards the reactionaries who gain off the misery of others. Having said that, I support those who resist imperialist occupations whether it's in Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine. Kay? Kay.

You gain from the misery of others. The very computer you're typing on has parts that were made in sweat shops.

As for supporting imperialist occupation, good for you; not only for grossly simplifying the issues involved in each of the respected areas, but for turning each into a moral battle when at the end of the day, given moral relativity, they really aren't:

a) Afghanistan: The Americans, Canadians, et. al. are there supporting the existing Afghanistan govt. to take out terrorists, i.e. the Taliban. How is that an "imperialist occupation"?

b) Palestine: Both Israeli foreign policy and the policy of Palestinian activist parties need work. They're both responsible for horrific acts of violence.

Here's a little tidbit for you: Since 9/11, the majority of the violent acts against Muslims can be attributed to Muslims themselves. There have been more deaths at the hands of dissident Shia and Sunni factions than by coalition forces.

[indesicive]

your bitiching about CNN...but yet your article is a CNN link.....infact its front page on CNN World

And when the fuck do terrorists ever investigate who they killed....and then apologize when civilians are hit by mistake....oh wait.....muslim terrorists usually try to kill as many civilians as possible and only investigate when they dont kill enough...my mistake

online jihadis...and then they wonder why Islam has such a shit image

How the fuck did you make it as 'Junior Moderator'? You have got to be one of the most anti-muslim of poster's on this site. Always attacking the religion at every opportunity using 'terrorism' as a tool. You are intelligent enough to have a mind of your own so stop believing everything you see and hear and use common sense for a change.

What are the U.S. still doing in Afghanistan anyway? Do they really think they will find Osama? They are just holding out till they are ready to attack yet another middle eastern country. Open your eyes and you'll find out who the real terrorists are - its the American Administration thinking they could revive / strengthen their economy by invading the middle east. They will fall short on their plans Inshallah. I'd really love to see Oil being traded in Euro's that would be a fucking dream come true for the rest of the world.

[HU55AIN]

How the fuck did you make it as 'Junior Moderator'? You have got to be one of the most anti-muslim of poster's on this site. Always attacking the religion at every opportunity using 'terrorism' as a tool. You are intelligent enough to have a mind of your own so stop believing everything you see and hear and use common sense for a change.

What are the U.S. still doing in Afghanistan anyway? Do they really think they will find Osama? They are just holding out till they are ready to attack yet another middle eastern country. Open your eyes and you'll find out who the real terrorists are - its the American Administration thinking they could revive / strengthen their economy by invading the middle east. They will fall short on their plans Inshallah. I'd really love to see Oil being traded in Euro's that would be a fucking dream come true for the rest of the world.

Leave him. I think he paid Sameer for his role...He lacks basic intelligence and rational thinkn so cant make accurate decisions..I think he cant understand my post either, maybe he should learn to open his eyes and read between the lines...He probably go far...

I might get ANOTHER warning for this but i dont give a shit..

CANT take it, dont fucking post..

[indesicive]

Leave him. I think he paid Sameer for his role...He lacks basic intelligence and rational thinkn so cant make accurate decisions..I think he cant understand my post either, maybe he should learn to open his eyes and read between the lines...He probably go far...

I might get ANOTHER warning for this but i dont give a shit..

CANT take it, dont fucking post..

LOL what did you get a warning for?

[HU55AIN]

LOL what did you get a warning for?

Post 91. :|

[indesicive]

any evidence to back up your claims that the wishes of the nation are to kill the americans in the country? i seem to highly doubt that even in afghanistan that the majority of people advocate random afghanis killing americans.

if afghans wish for the americans to leave, they should take up the cause through government and politics.

Oh really, thats a little difficult when the Government and the Leader of Afghanistan is most likely a puppet owned and all strings are pulled by the American Administration.

[indesicive]

Post 91. :|

Post 91 was posted by Sameer...what you on about?

[HU55AIN]

Post 91 was posted by Sameer...what you on about?

Post 97, My bad..

[indesicive]

Damn, I'm always late to such debates...:ashamed:

on side note...I fully support the annihilation of coalition forces in Iraq, Afghnaistan and every other territory held by western forces.

You got a warning for this? LOL. theres nothing in it. It's your opinion :dunno:

(what was the warning and how did you get it?)

[HU55AIN]

You got a warning for this? LOL. theres nothing in it. It's your opinion :dunno:

(what was the warning and how did you get it?)

Yeah for that...I did reply, telling him of freedom of speech...lol
it was for advocating murder..LOL

[jumpn jza]

You gain from the misery of others. The very computer you're typing on has parts that were made in sweat shops.

As for supporting imperialist occupation, good for you; not only for grossly simplifying the issues involved in each of the respected areas, but for turning each into a moral battle when at the end of the day, given moral relativity, they really aren't:

a) Afghanistan: The Americans, Canadians, et. al. are there supporting the existing Afghanistan govt. to take out terrorists, i.e. the Taliban. How is that an "imperialist occupation"?

b) Palestine: Both Israeli foreign policy and the policy of Palestinian activist parties need work. They're both responsible for horrific acts of violence.

Here's a little tidbit for you: Since 9/11, the majority of the violent acts against Muslims can be attributed to Muslims themselves. There have been more deaths at the hands of dissident Shia and Sunni factions than by coalition forces.

So when someone raises moral objections, just talk about his exploitative computer purchasing practices. If we all did this then NO moral objections would ever be raised about anything, so please cut the crap.

Imperialist by the very definition of the word, namely countries extending control over other countries. As for supporting the puppet government they put in place in Afghanistan and Iraq, big deal, that's how invasions work, you put in power the people who hated the previous government.

Palestine has been illegally occupied since 1967 and the overwhelming majority of injustices have been carried out against the Palestinians, they as a result, respond with acts of terror. The major terrorist acts are carried out by Israel.

By supporting those who resist occupation I'm not making some kind of crass generalization about the moral nature of every insurgent, it's just a matter of principle. When the Nazis invaded Yugoslavia and France, the US praised the Partisans, Chetniks and the French resistance, yes it is true that the resistance in these countries fought amongst each other but that doesn't diminish the basic idea that it's legitimate to fight back against occupation.

No one can prove who's committing the majority of atrocities in Iraq and I think you're forgetting that the majority of the genocide occurs when people are cut off from their resources, it happens AFTER the bombings. So yet again, I support the insurgents who target the coalition forces simply out of principle. Just because I support the insurgency doesn't mean I condone Muslims killing each other. You're the one who's grossly over simplified everything I said.

[indesicive]

Yeah for that...I did reply, telling him of freedom of speech...lol
it was for advocating murder..LOL

BULLSHIT. I'd advocate the murder of G. W. Bush aint no-one gonna tell me nothing.

I've got the right to to express my opinion just as much as anyone else on this forum (so fucking what if it goes against your beliefs - as a Muslim I get offended by anti-Islamic posts and it's not like these assholes ever get warned)

Stand your ground sonnn! :lol:

[HU55AIN]

BULLSHIT. I'd advocate the murder of G. W. Bush aint no-one gonna tell me nothing.

I've got the right to to express my opinion just as much as anyone else on this forum (so fucking what if it goes against your beliefs - as a Muslim I get offended by anti-Islamic posts and it's not like these assholes ever get warned)

Stand your ground sonnn! :lol:
Yeah, Decisions are always againts us.

I always stand my ground. :)

[Dream_GirL]

.....

[Dream_GirL]

...............

[HU55AIN]

thanx Echy, since september 11th.. alot of people have converted to Islam as well.. i wonder why

Your already in his bad books lol..

Yes, Muslim populations are growing pretty fast since 2001

[TDSR]

So when someone raises moral objections, just talk about his exploitative computer purchasing practices. If we all did this then NO moral objections would ever be raised about anything, so please cut the crap.

What the fuck are you even talking about at this point? The fact is, if you truly stood up for the oppressed and exploited, you'd give up half of your worldly goods.

Imperialist by the very definition of the word, namely countries extending control over other countries. As for supporting the puppet government they put in place in Afghanistan and Iraq, big deal, that's how invasions work, you put in power the people who hated the previous government.

Actually the people of Afghanistan hated the Taliban regime as much if not more than the current rule.

Palestine has been illegally occupied since 1967 and the overwhelming majority of injustices have been carried out against the Palestinians, they as a result, respond with acts of terror. The major terrorist acts are carried out by Israel.

Palestinians use mental patients and children as suicide bombers. That's about as low as you can go. The fact that you can't differentiate between a moral situation, and simply a situation with two conflicting interests is quite telling about your ability to think this through logically.


By supporting those who resist occupation I'm not making some kind of crass generalization about the moral nature of every insurgent, it's just a matter of principle. When the Nazis invaded Yugoslavia and France, the US praised the Partisans, Chetniks and the French resistance, yes it is true that the resistance in these countries fought amongst each other but that doesn't diminish the basic idea that it's legitimate to fight back against occupation.

I'll repeat again: The U.S. isn't occupying Afghanistan. When U.S. first attacked the Taliban regime an overwhelming majority of the Afghan people supported is overthrow.


No one can prove who's committing the majority of atrocities in Iraq and I think you're forgetting that the majority of the genocide occurs when people are cut off from their resources, it happens AFTER the bombings.


Actually yes they can. :idea:


So yet again, I support the insurgents who target the coalition forces simply out of principle. Just because I support the insurgency doesn't mean I condone Muslims killing each other. You're the one who's grossly over simplified everything I said.

I haven't mentioned Iraq, but if you're referring to the situation in Afghanistan, then you're essentially supporting the pockets of Taliban forces. You are supporting a people who made it a principle (I'll use that word since you like to throw it around so much) to go and destroy historical monuments, oppress its own people, and fund its acts of terror in the post 9/11 world through opium.

I've never condoned the Iraq war, that is an unjust war. But the one fought in Afghanistan, to ultimately catch Bin Laden is a just war.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is neither just nor unjust. It's two sides with two conflicting interest doing horrific shit to each other. I have no sympathy for either side. To take either side is to have tunnel vision. So yes, you are grossly over simplifying the issue.

thanx Echy, since september 11th.. alot of people have converted to Islam as well.. i wonder why

For the last fucking time, you ugly, stupid cunt; I am not Echelon. Your random brainfart has nothing to do with my post.

[HU55AIN]

thanx Echy, since september 11th.. alot of people have converted to Islam as well.. i wonder why

What the fuck are you even talking about at this point? The fact is, if you truly stood up for the oppressed and exploited, you'd give up half of your worldly goods.



Actually the people of Afghanistan hated the Taliban regime as much if not more than the current rule.



Palestinians use mental patients and children as suicide bombers. That's about as low as you can go. The fact that you can't differentiate between a moral situation, and simply a situation with two conflicting interests is quite telling about your ability to think this through logically.



I'll repeat again: The U.S. isn't occupying Afghanistan. When U.S. first attacked the Taliban regime an overwhelming majority of the Afghan people supported is overthrow.



Actually yes they can. :idea:



I haven't mentioned Iraq, but if you're referring to the situation in Afghanistan, then you're essentially supporting the pockets of Taliban forces. You are supporting a people who made it a principle (I'll use that word since you like to throw it around so much) to go and destroy historical monuments, oppress its own people, and fund its acts of terror in the post 9/11 world through opium.

I've never condoned the Iraq war, that is an unjust war. But the one fought in Afghanistan, to ultimately catch Bin Laden is a just war.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is neither just nor unjust. It's two sides with two conflicting interest doing horrific shit to each other. I have no sympathy for either side. To take either side is to have tunnel vision. So yes, you are grossly over simplifying the issue.



For the last fucking time, you ugly, stupid cunt; I am not Echelon. Your random brainfart has nothing to do with my post.
You just OWNED yourself there. :arrow:

[RacingSoul]

What the fuck are you even talking about at this point? The fact is, if you truly stood up for the oppressed and exploited, you'd give up half of your worldly goods.



Actually the people of Afghanistan hated the Taliban regime as much if not more than the current rule.



Palestinians use mental patients and children as suicide bombers. That's about as low as you can go. The fact that you can't differentiate between a moral situation, and simply a situation with two conflicting interests is quite telling about your ability to think this through logically.



I'll repeat again: The U.S. isn't occupying Afghanistan. When U.S. first attacked the Taliban regime an overwhelming majority of the Afghan people supported is overthrow.



Actually yes they can. :idea:



I haven't mentioned Iraq, but if you're referring to the situation in Afghanistan, then you're essentially supporting the pockets of Taliban forces. You are supporting a people who made it a principle (I'll use that word since you like to throw it around so much) to go and destroy historical monuments, oppress its own people, and fund its acts of terror in the post 9/11 world through opium.

I've never condoned the Iraq war, that is an unjust war. But the one fought in Afghanistan, to ultimately catch Bin Laden is a just war.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is neither just nor unjust. It's two sides with two conflicting interest doing horrific shit to each other. I have no sympathy for either side. To take either side is to have tunnel vision. So yes, you are grossly over simplifying the issue.



For the last fucking time, you ugly, stupid cunt; I am not Echelon. Your random brainfart has nothing to do with my post.



same quoting style, same use of :idea: emoticons..spacey..is that..YOU? :shock:

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[Sameera.]

:ugh: an apology doesnt cut it..wtf.

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[RacingSoul]

even a retard can see it .. dnt tell me u can't :idea:

wtf crawled up your ass?

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[RacingSoul]

something crawled up my ass? pls take it out

I dont wanna get my hands dirty.

[nayeemx33]

same quoting style, same use of :idea: emoticons..spacey..is that..YOU? :shock:

that's what I was thinking

[jumpn jza]

TDSR: Let me respond later, got mid-sems to get through, I appreciate the discussion. Ohh yeh, I mentioned Iraq because you mentioned the conflicts between Sunnis and Shias and I assumed that you were talking about Iraq (since you didn't specify).

Good to see you're against the Iraq War.

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[TDSR]

You just OWNED yourself there. :arrow:

We've already established that you're a fucking terrorist and should be hauled away and hanged. :!:

same quoting style, same use of :idea: emoticons..spacey..is that..YOU? :shock:

I'm not space cowboy either.

even a retard can see it .. dnt tell me u can't :idea:

You stupid fuck you thought I was Echelon!

[indesicive]

a) Afghanistan: The Americans, Canadians, et. al. are there supporting the existing Afghanistan govt. to take out terrorists, i.e. the Taliban. How is that an "imperialist occupation"?


the Taliban were removed because they were 'supposedly' harbouring and supporting terrorists aka Al-Qaeda, that doesnt necessarily mean that the taliban themselves were terrorists. Thats like saying just cos Bush associates himself with Jews makes him a Jew...

[TDSR]

u can run but u can't hide.. btw thanx for the compliment.

The only reason you're alive today is because your mom is too stupid to work a coat hanger.

[TDSR]

the Taliban were removed because they were 'supposedly' harbouring and supporting terrorists aka Al-Qaeda, that doesnt necessarily mean that the taliban themselves were terrorists. Thats like saying just cos Bush associates himself with Jews makes him a Jew...

Not supposedly, they were harbouring Bin Laden. They admitted to it. They didn't release him to the U.S. U.S. attacked. It's that simple. Harbouring a criminal is a crime. As for Bin Laden's guilt, there are enough videotapes out there where he flat out admits to engineering 9/11.

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[TDSR]

Ha.. and that proves it does it..

Seriously, you're a waste of sperm and egg.

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[ChaalBaaz]

:ugh: an apology doesnt cut it..wtf.

how are you darling?

[TDSR]

that was uneccesary.. bringing my mom into it ..

sorry, i didnt mean to bruise ur ego.

The only thing that was bruised was your mother's uterus as she vainly jabbed away with her coat hanger, trying to rid the world of the travesty that is you. But alas, in her drunken stooper, she missed the fetus completely and you were born; and the world's average IQ dropped a few notches.

[indesicive]

Not supposedly, they were harbouring Bin Laden. They admitted to it. They didn't release him to the U.S. U.S. attacked. It's that simple. Harbouring a criminal is a crime. As for Bin Laden's guilt, there are enough videotapes out there where he flat out admits to engineering 9/11.

Firstly...Sources? (and i'm not talking about fabricated one's [without being ignorant about it] that have been authenticated just to approve the attack on Afghanistan)

Secondly, I know it is 'world opinion' that Osama was behind 9/11 (i have my own theories of whether he was or wasnt and even if he was, maybe he was just paid to be the scapegoat - whatever, thats not even important) BUT years down the line, where is he? Are the coalition going to spend forever looking for him? What for? To avenge the attacks on the sacred twin towers and the lives lost? What will it achieve in finding him anyway? Why have they gone to such lengths to find ONE man? AND if they REALLY wanted him why did they release members of the Osama family on the only flight that was permitted to leave the US at that time when it would have made sense to have just kept them as ransom...Osama would surely have surrendered himself if that were the case.

There are just too many flaws...

[americanmohit]

The only thing that was bruised was your mother's uterus as she vainly jabbed away with her coat hanger, trying to rid the world of the travesty that is you. But alas, in her drunken stooper, she missed the fetus completely and you were born; and the world's average IQ dropped a few notches.

if i was a mod, i'd have banned you cuntface.

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[HU55AIN]

We've already established that you're a fucking terrorist and should be hauled away and hanged.
Have we? What we have deffo established ur the biggest twat on rd. :)
According to u, anyone who defends themselves and is muslim is a terrorist
wtf the schools teaching u fool......:arrow:

[FistaCuffs]

i was a caesarean. Welcome back Echy. We missed you.

You really are dumb if you think its Echelon.

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[bliss2xo]

the united states is the biggest terrorist of them all. its so sad to go abroad and be hated on just coz ur american. even in s'pore and jp, i had to tell ppl i was canadian coz they really had nothing pleasant to say about americans.

only problem is that i have a very heavy valley girl accent and i come off as a california ditz anywayz.

[FistaCuffs]

i dont care what u think anyway so fuck off

Just because some one types full coherent sentences, doesn't mean it has to be Echelon.

Man o man, you must really want his dick. :arrow:

[HU55AIN]

the united states is the biggest terrorist of them all. its so sad to go abroad and be hated on just coz ur american. even in s'pore and jp, i had to tell ppl i was canadian coz they really had nothing pleasant to say about americans.

only problem is that i have a very heavy valley girl accent and i come off as a california ditz anywayz.

Word..

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[FistaCuffs]

lol so this argument is going to be about typing and IQ now all of a sudden.. funny how he went of track as soon as i mentioned Echelon i was just KIDDING! ASSHOLE!

:rofl:

Hey, your the dumb broad that got Echelon's dick on your mind all the time, not me.

[jumpn jza]

Not supposedly, they were harbouring Bin Laden. They admitted to it. They didn't release him to the U.S. U.S. attacked. It's that simple. Harbouring a criminal is a crime. As for Bin Laden's guilt, there are enough videotapes out there where he flat out admits to engineering 9/11.

Actually that's completely wrong. The Taliban agreed to hand over whoever the US wanted as long as evidence was provided, then they even offered to hand over Bin Ladin with no conditions but the U.S still rejected it.

This was all over the mainstream news, I'm surprised you don't know about it. The US refused because they "don't negotiate with terrorists" and so they bombed the place to oblivion. So if the US wanted to find those responsible for 9/11, why didn't they cooperate with the Taliban to prosecute the guilty party? They invaded Afghanistan for imperialist interests, that's what powerful states do, there's no altruism in any of this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

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the united states is the biggest terrorist of them all. its so sad to go abroad and be hated on just coz ur american. even in s'pore and jp, i had to tell ppl i was canadian coz they really had nothing pleasant to say about americans.

only problem is that i have a very heavy valley girl accent and i come off as a california ditz anywayz.

glad you didn't say 'noofie', those fucktards make the rest of us canadians look bad.

[FistaCuffs]

oh so u noe wats on my mind ryt now?

looks like u want some of TDSR's/echelons cock den init?

just ignore me if ur not dumb.. its not that hard

Ay i noes whts up wif erryting naw meens

i call em lyke i sees them, so i says wut i says...innit

dum dum

[fr00ti]

lmao at you pulling out the 'you live in this country so don't talk shit about it' card
i thought this country had freedom of speech if the person next to you has a diff opinion so be it..move the fuck along. and i who started the thread didn't even bash the country instead the people that run it. unlike most of you in here who bash on the entire religion (over 2 billion people) over a few terrorists expense

its not unfortunate its kids women and poor civilians killed...
"'it's unfortunate that happens every day. Every day. Civilians will continue to get killed, raped, ripped open as the terrorists hide behind them leaving them open for brutality."

its not unfortunate its kids women and poor civilians killed...
you're talking out of your ass with that bullshit. stop posting quotes out of superhero movies..its not that hard to see the difference between 60 armed men and 60 innocent children.
if its unfortunate then i can say the embassy bombing which are blamed on al qaeda are unfortunate events
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/17/yemen.blast/index.html
Wait back up a minute. Your head is clouded with the wrong judgment. I don't see any negativity in my post.

The first paragraph was an initial response to AM for bringing America's "poor" economy. Freedom of speech is one thing. It's another thing to act like a parasite. It will be pointed out.

And second of all.. No one bashed religion. If anything, these so called martyrs and terrorists adding their own liners, altering the Qu'ran, and claiming it to be God's words.. is making the religion look bad.

I don't see where I said I had a problem with your damn opinion, chootia.

And I can't comprehend the last part of your post.. Are you trying to say that the women and children that are used for sheltering their harmful deeds is fine..? That they have to die because of both sides' mess?

And as per Al Qaeda. They take the blame. They claim the bombings even if they had no part in it. Facts. Straight Up.

:rolleyes: Again, no one is condoning USA's faults here. sheesh.

[TDSR]

Firstly...Sources? (and i'm not talking about fabricated one's [without being ignorant about it] that have been authenticated just to approve the attack on Afghanistan)

Fabricated what? If you're the one claiming the videos are fabricated, the onus is on you to present the evidence that it is.

Secondly, I know it is 'world opinion' that Osama was behind 9/11 (i have my own theories of whether he was or wasnt and even if he was, maybe he was just paid to be the scapegoat - whatever, thats not even important) BUT years down the line, where is he? Are the coalition going to spend forever looking for him? What for? To avenge the attacks on the sacred twin towers and the lives lost? What will it achieve in finding him anyway? Why have they gone to such lengths to find ONE man?

So, your view of law is that if you can't find the killer give up?


AND if they REALLY wanted him why did they release members of the Osama family on the only flight that was permitted to leave the US at that time when it would have made sense to have just kept them as ransom...Osama would surely have surrendered himself if that were the case.

There are just too many flaws...

Because the law doesn't hold innocent people hostage. Al Quaida works on those terms, not the west.

if i was a mod, i'd have banned you cuntface.

And if I was a member of PETA I'd do my best to get you back to the wild.


Have we? What we have deffo established ur the biggest twat on rd. :)
According to u, anyone who defends themselves and is muslim is a terrorist
wtf the schools teaching u fool......:arrow:


Fuck, you are by far the stupidest fucking cunt on this site. Either find me the line where I said Muslims who defend themselves are terrorists, or shut the fuck up. I've seen your posts in the past. You know fuck all about economics, religion (any one of them) or science. On any real debate forum you would have gotten torn up and laughed off.

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[FistaCuffs]

ur funny ha ha ha

ur dumb

ha ha ha

[fr00ti]

can you explain who the afghan terrorists are killing, you didnt answer my question?

I answered your question, you mindeffed mofo.:-| please go back and read. You don't understand, no? well too bad.

[HU55AIN]

Fuck, you are by far the stupidest fucking cunt on this site. Either find me the line where I said Muslims who defend themselves are terrorists, or shut the fuck up. I've seen your posts in the past. You know fuck all about economics, religion (any one of them) or science. On any real debate forum you would have gotten torn up and laughed off.

Clearly, you need to sue abusive language to get your point across.
I dont even fucking know you...Which means your previous banned member.
Isnt it obvious what your implying is that if muslims pick up weapons and fight for their country and to be honest defend themselves since, USA forces kills are 90% civilians..I think thats enough evidence...and ofcourse the real terrorists are the coalition forces...who invade countries even though their was better chance of persueing alternatice methods then taking over a whole country just for one man..wtf, i thought americans have the best intelligence best special forces, looks like they are worth shit in this case, cuz they getting murdered by people who are just defending their livelyhoods...

doesnt matter what debate i chose to participate on i can always back myself up and shut stupid people like you up..getting laughed at? well clearly your the only one putting your ideas foward when everyone else is wathing and countering your pathetic arguments..

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Sweet, sweet, the US needs to rid more of those dirty towelheads.

[TDSR]

Actually that's completely wrong. The Taliban agreed to hand over whoever the US wanted as long as evidence was provided, then they even offered to hand over Bin Ladin with no conditions but the U.S still rejected it.

This was all over the mainstream news, I'm surprised you don't know about it. The US refused because they "don't negotiate with terrorists" and so they bombed the place to oblivion. So if the US wanted to find those responsible for 9/11, why didn't they cooperate with the Taliban to prosecute the guilty party? They invaded Afghanistan for imperialist interests, that's what powerful states do, there's no altruism in any of this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5


Hah, I was expecting this exact response. The fact of the matter is they had already had videos of Bin Laden taking responsibility for earlier attacks pre 9/11. It was idiocy on the part of the Taliban to a) harbour him and b) not agree to release him until evidence was provided. U.S. had every right to demand Bin Laden without presenting evidence to a party that would have most likely rejected any evidence U.S. presented to them anyway.

[FistaCuffs]

Fuck you.

reported. :Paper:

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I care?

negged. :Paper:

[TDSR]

Clearly, you need to sue abusive language to get your point across.
I dont even fucking know you...Which means your previous banned member.
Isnt it obvious what your implying is that if muslims pick up weapons and fight for their country and to be honest defend themselves since, USA forces kills are 90% civilians..I think thats enough evidence...and ofcourse the real terrorists are the coalition forces...who invade countries even though their was better chance of persueing alternatice methods then taking over a whole country just for one man..wtf, i thought americans have the best intelligence best special forces, looks like they are worth shit in this case, cuz they getting murdered by people who are just defending their livelyhoods...

And this is how I know you have no argument. I'm not even going to bother reading this run-on sentence but I'll assume this is what you said:

"1) U.S. forces invade other nations, therefore they are terrorists.
2) Muslims who defend themselves are terrorists according to TDSR
3) American forces are weak because they can't fight civilians"

Alright, let's address this half assed argument one by one:

1) Show me evidence in recent history where the U.S. forces specifically targeted civilians.
i) I don't actually support the Iraq war, as stated above. However, that does not make a soldier who makes HIS livelihood by following orders a terrorist.
ii) You might be able to argue that people like Rumsfeld or some of the generals are terrorists if you can show conclusively that they ordered the targeting of civilians.


2) When the Albanians rose up to fight against Milosovich, I supported the Albanians. There goes your theory # 2.

3) This isn't a normal war. If America wanted, shortly after taking Saddam it could have withdrawn all troops from Iraq, leaving the country a failed state. In otherwords U.S. did win the war. Right now there are marines getting killed because they aren't trying to fight civilians. Their main objective is to secure the oil (I never once denied that that was what Bush was after). Save the oil, there is nothing stopping the Americans from simply withdrawing the troops carpet bombing the area into oblivion if they choose. This idea that U.S. special forces aren't as well trained as they appear to be is a crackpot myth. These are some of the best trained people in the world.
Right now, their function has changed somewhat from tactical strikes to keeping the general peace. Realistically no one is "murdering" the U.S. forces in the way you're implying. And again, the stats show that it is the Shia/Sunni clashes killing each other more than the U.S. doing any damage.




doesnt matter what debate i chose to participate on i can always back myself up and shut stupid people like you up..getting laughed at? well clearly your the only one putting your ideas foward when everyone else is wathing and countering your pathetic arguments..

Actually most of the people in this thread have given rather moronic arguments. Including yourself. The fact is every post you ever make overflows with idiocy. That infraction you got was well deserved because you are indeed a douchebag.

[Flow_Motion]

Interesting stuff... Good thread! YOu get repped now!

[jumpn jza]

Hah, I was expecting this exact response. The fact of the matter is they had already had videos of Bin Laden taking responsibility for earlier attacks pre 9/11. It was idiocy on the part of the Taliban to a) harbour him and b) not agree to release him until evidence was provided. U.S. had every right to demand Bin Laden without presenting evidence to a party that would have most likely rejected any evidence U.S. presented to them anyway.

Yes, but Bush still rejected the deal for the Taliban to hand over Bin Laden. That was the point i was trying to make. Arghhh...back to studying. Why do all the good discussions happen when I can't spend time thrashing out the details?

[indesicive]

Fabricated what? If you're the one claiming the videos are fabricated, the onus is on you to present the evidence that it is.

I haven't claimed anything, I do have the right to have suspiscions about the whole thing (I'm not convinced that he WAS behind 9/11 - the face if anything...he's a product of America in any case)


So, your view of law is that if you can't find the killer give up?

Answer at least SOME of my questions before I answer this one


Because the law doesn't hold innocent people hostage. Al Quaida works on those terms, not the west.

Hostage? what about those in Guantanamo Bay? rofl
Al-Qaeda terrorise by way of bombings etc I've not heard reports of them holding anyone captive :idea:
(maybe that was an assumption on your part)

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Yes, but Bush still rejected the deal for the Taliban to hand over Bin Laden. That was the point i was trying to make. Arghhh...back to studying. Why do all the good discussions happen when I can't spend time thrashing out the details?

LOL. RD will still be here when you get back :razz:

[TDSR]

Yes, but Bush still rejected the deal for the Taliban to hand over Bin Laden. That was the point i was trying to make. Arghhh...back to studying. Why do all the good discussions happen when I can't spend time thrashing out the details?

Read the article that you posted. Taliban would only release Bin Laden to Bush pending evidence. Evidence, which in light of Bin Laden's criminal record, U.S. really didn't need to present.

[indesicive]

Did you just call me an idiot/stupid/retard/defective sperm

...you know what, I think you did :squint:

[TDSR]

I haven't claimed anything, I do have the right to have suspiscions about the whole thing (I'm not convinced that he WAS behind 9/11 - the face if anything...he's a product of America in any case)


Answer at least SOME of my questions before I answer this one


Hostage? what about those in Guantanamo Bay? rofl
Al-Qaeda terrorise by way of bombings etc I've not heard reports of them holding anyone captive :idea:
(maybe that was an assumption on your part)


Al Quaida's "subsidiaries" did.

And a people in Gitmo weren't being held as hostages, they were being interrogated. There was no ransom, nor baiting, nor any demands involved. They were not "hostages".

Repeat your questions in point form and I will answer them. I was pretty sure I already did.

[indesicive]

Read the article that you posted. Taliban would only release Bin Laden to Bush pending evidence. Evidence, which in light of Bin Laden's criminal record, U.S. really didn't need to present.

Why didn't they need to? Criminal record has no bearing whatsoever since it relates to the past

Come to think of it, what proof did the U.S. have apart from videos made by Osama?

[TDSR]

anyone who argues wid TDSR aka Echelon..

in conclusion is an idiot/stupid/retard/defective sperm.

With every post you get dumber and dumber.

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Why didn't they need to? Criminal record has no bearing whatsoever since it relates to the past

Come to think of it, what proof did the U.S. have apart from videos made by Osama?

Um, that's actually pretty incriminating.

Anyway, if Bin Laden is already a wanted man (which he was), then U.S. has no reason to provide any evidence.

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[TDSR]

you are the dumbest here u noe that

be nice

No you braindead, walking pile of syphallus, the fact that you actually think I'm Echelon pretty much proves you're the dumbest piece of shit on these forums.

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oh so u actually think i think ur echelon?

u DUMB PIECE OF SHIT YOU STILL reply to my posts like a hurt bitch

relax

You stupid motherfucker. Yes you do think I'm Echelon because that's just how dumb you really are. I reply to your posts because your anus bleeds everytime you get owned by either myself or anyone on these forums with half a brain. You are this forum's comic relief.

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[jumpn jza]

Read the article that you posted. Taliban would only release Bin Laden to Bush pending evidence. Evidence, which in light of Bin Laden's criminal record, U.S. really didn't need to present.

October 14: The Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden, albeit pending evidence. At that time, Bin Laden hadn't made the video confession yet. In fact, Bin Laden told Al Jazeera that he hadn't carried out the attacks at all. So from the perspective of the Taliban, it was perfectly legitimate to ask for evidence. The Taliban then changed their line, stopped asking for evidence and actually said they would discuss handing over Bin Laden if the U.S stopped bombing.

At that time, before the Bin Laden video tape confession, the onus was on the U.S to provide evidence. Bin Laden's criminal record isn't good enough, it certainly doesn't mean he's guilty.

[TDSR]

now prove i think ur echelon how u gunan do dat? it was better for u to shut the fuck up the first time rather den making it this obvious asshole.. peace.

:idea::

thanx Echy, since september 11th.. alot of people have converted to Islam as well.. i wonder why

u can run but u can't hide.. btw thanx for the compliment.

yes echy.. i belieeeevee you...

i was a caesarean. Welcome back Echy. We missed you.


Will you please shut the fuck up now you braindead, ugly ass hobo?



Fuck you and who cares who u really are!

im here for time pass u dickhead

u shoudn't jump every time i falsely accuse u u retard!


One of these days a train is going to run you over. The world will celebrate.

[indesicive]

Al Quaida's "subsidiaries" did.

And a people in Gitmo weren't being held as hostages, they were being interrogated. There was no ransom, nor baiting, nor any demands involved. They were not "hostages".

Repeat your questions in point form and I will answer them. I was pretty sure I already did.
Who are these so-called "subsiadaries" that you are associating with Al-Qaeda?

Fair point, but the conditions that the prisoners have to live in don't seem to pleasant. They seem to be held captive in concentrationlike camps without proper trial etc.

The questions were all there, anyhow you took it into a different context. Since you did that, how many laws did the US break in conducting this war on terror?
Laws are made to protect people (as a whole) Inflicting pain and misery on innocent civilians defeats the object of having these laws don't you think. Look at the bigger picture and ask yourself, was the war on Afghanistan worth it and is it worth continuing the search for Laden when they are no closer to finding the man.

Um, that's actually pretty incriminating.

Anyway, if Bin Laden is already a wanted man (which he was), then U.S. has no reason to provide any evidence.

It is, but then those video's were released after any announcement was made with regards to the invasion of Afghanistan (if memory serves me correct)

I'm guessing he was wanted by the U.S. but what for? (i doubt that reason or even the fact that he was suspected as the chief instigator of the 9/11 bombings is enough to invade another country in search of ONE man)

[TDSR]

October 14: The Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden, albeit pending evidence. At that time, Bin Laden hadn't made the video confession yet. In fact, Bin Laden told Al Jazeera that he hadn't carried out the attacks at all. So from the perspective of the Taliban, it was perfectly legitimate to ask for evidence. The Taliban then changed their line, stopped asking for evidence and actually said they would discuss handing over Bin Laden if the U.S stopped bombing.

At that time, before the Bin Laden video tape confession, the onus was on the U.S to provide evidence. Bin Laden's criminal record isn't good enough, it certainly doesn't mean he's guilty.

No but it does allow U.S. legal merit to take him without having to answer to the Taliban. Regardless of what Bin Laden told Al Jazeera, he still confessed on tape.

[jumpn jza]

No but it does allow U.S. legal merit to take him without having to answer to the Taliban. Regardless of what Bin Laden told Al Jazeera, he still confessed on tape.

Yes but that video was made after the Taliban offered to hand him over.

[TDSR]

Who are these so-called "subsiadaries" that you are associating with Al-Qaeda?

Zarqawi's cell was one of them.



Fair point, but the conditions that the prisoners have to live in don't seem to pleasant. They seem to be held captive in concentrationlike camps without proper trial etc.

The questions were all there, anyhow you took it into a different context. Since you did that, how many laws did the US break in conducting this war on terror?
Laws are made to protect people (as a whole) Inflicting pain and misery on innocent civilians defeats the object of having these laws don't you think. Look at the bigger picture and ask yourself, was the war on Afghanistan worth it and is it worth continuing the search for Laden when they are no closer to finding the man.

I don't disagree that there are human rights violations going on in Gitmo. But that doesn't constitute U.S. holding hostages there.

How man UN regulations did U.S. break? Probably a few. But that's not what we're discussing, which is whether U.S.'s campaign in Afghanistan was necessary and whether U.S.'s campaign in Iraq was necessary. It's being put under the general umbrella of 'War on Terror'; but Afghanistan was necessary and still is. Iraq probably was not.






It is, but then those video's were released after any announcement was made with regards to the invasion of Afghanistan (if memory serves me correct)

I'm guessing he was wanted by the U.S. but what for? (i doubt that reason or even the fact that he was suspected as the chief instigator of the 9/11 bombings is enough to invade another country in search of ONE man)


His previous bombings in 1998.

[TDSR]

Yes but that video was made after the Taliban offered to hand him over.

If that was really the case, and if U.S. really needed Bin Laden as a scapegoat, then they would have taken the deal and never bothered with the ensuing campaign. There is nothing in Afghanistan. U.S. actually didn't want to be there as evidenced by them relocating the troops to Iraq. As for all the conspiracies of U.S. needing a base to stage strikes into the Middle East, they already had Pakistan's permission to set up bases within Pakistani borders. Really the only conclusion that one can draw to why U.S. is still in Afghanistan is purely for Bin Laden. There is no conspiracy.

[HU55AIN]

And this is how I know you have no argument. I'm not even going to bother reading this run-on sentence but I'll assume this is what you said:

"1) U.S. forces invade other nations, therefore they are terrorists.
2) Muslims who defend themselves are terrorists according to TDSR
3) American forces are weak because they can't fight civilians"

Alright, let's address this half assed argument one by one:

1) Show me evidence in recent history where the U.S. forces specifically targeted civilians.
i) I don't actually support the Iraq war, as stated above. However, that does not make a soldier who makes HIS livelihood by following orders a terrorist.
ii) You might be able to argue that people like Rumsfeld or some of the generals are terrorists if you can show conclusively that they ordered the targeting of civilians.


2) When the Albanians rose up to fight against Milosovich, I supported the Albanians. There goes your theory # 2.

3) This isn't a normal war. If America wanted, shortly after taking Saddam it could have withdrawn all troops from Iraq, leaving the country a failed state. In otherwords U.S. did win the war. Right now there are marines getting killed because they aren't trying to fight civilians. Their main objective is to secure the oil (I never once denied that that was what Bush was after). Save the oil, there is nothing stopping the Americans from simply withdrawing the troops carpet bombing the area into oblivion if they choose. This idea that U.S. special forces aren't as well trained as they appear to be is a crackpot myth. These are some of the best trained people in the world.
Right now, their function has changed somewhat from tactical strikes to keeping the general peace. Realistically no one is "murdering" the U.S. forces in the way you're implying. And again, the stats show that it is the Shia/Sunni clashes killing each other more than the U.S. doing any damage.





Actually most of the people in this thread have given rather moronic arguments. Including yourself. The fact is every post you ever make overflows with idiocy. That infraction you got was well deserved because you are indeed a douchebag.

Point number 1...Usa has the best weapons with 95% plus accuracy..Im sure u will agree to that? so are their so0o0o many innocent lives lost? if they knew militants were hiding with normal civilians shudnt air strikes be called off? well, they are not. therefore colateral damage...many dead.
Now comon, we all know USA is going to deny they purposely target muslims
since the world is already against their wars, no country in their right would admit to it...so we as the public have to look at stats......and trust me they arent friendly, there are soo many deaths as innocent casualities..WTF they doiing in either country in the first place is beyone my belief...You clearly admit they have no right in iraq, then they can invade that country for the fun of it then what makes u say they wont invade another? they make up shitt bush and osama are probz homies in real life as far as you know.

the term of terrorist is is a label for one who personally is involved in an act of terrorism. Terrorist tactics may also be used by dissident groups or other non-state actors to achieve political ends or for purposes of extortion.

now the ameicans are doing what this defintion says....they have no right in either country, they are just enforceing their power on other countries, on muslim countries...maybe they feel threatened by our growth...and obviously you are..

Point 2...A soldier end of the day is paid to die. That is his risk...he is holding the weapon and pointing and shooting...if they are following orders...then we wudnt see all these human right abuses, they are tarnishing the american army the pure symbol of freedom and peace..? You must have heard of these abuses in abu gharib prison and the use of guantanomo bay...where no-one i believe has been convicted and are just being held and tortured, this is what your precious army is doing and is also to blame, and thats why i support these people who defend themselves...they not going to wait for another holocaust....So, the soldier deserves to die, since he is REPRESENTING govt and country and is first in contact of their cruel ways of domination.
What are they trying to do emulating the british in their 1900s

Point 3...Americans soldiers havent made any concreate gains..therefore is ineffective. end of story..they are killing civilians are many of their own troops are dead...a number alot higher then official statements...
you tell me of PURE american victory, they cleanly won the militants..they are losing this war...and CANT wait to get out...but they cant show the world they lost and ran away, THATS the real reason they are still there, for their pride...why dnt they learn from Vietnam...btw did they win that aswel?
was that war necessery aswell, to preserve american way of life?

Point 4...good old albanians they were also slaughtered...why the usa supported them? well to get the best out of them...even now albanians still live in pain from the massacres..Probably, to counter russia in some way, like Kosovo...after thousands were killed, the albanian elite then they interviened.

Point 5.....Iraq......is about oil....and how they can control oil..simple
they havent pullled out because of oil...marines are dying everyday because they dont know wt they fighting for..a unjust war...Your point doesnt even stand...they are weak.....they cant control even a borough...of iraq.
So, why dont they have the country on lock down? the marines are there for "general" reasons, or they there to destroy the people, they destroyed Baghdad one the oldest islamic cities and most importanrt centers...what next Damascus? this is just genocide, if they were peacekeeping there, then no iraqi wud have fuckd with them..

So my post flow with idiocy? well if ur post are not the most anti-muslim, anti-islamic, anti- wt ever, i dont know wtf is. The infraction is bullshit
where is my freedom of speech...either way sameer gave it.. i dont really care
it doesnt show who is a douchbag just who cant take other peoples views and something that contradicts their personall beliefs...as for you, wake up and smell what your freedom country is doing along with others..maybe when their is no more, you will realise what the real meaning was behnd their crusade...i bet salahudin is flipping and turning is his grave...because in them days, we actualy ruled with peace and defence...and we did indeed had the power to totally destroy jews, hindus, christians from the face of the planet, but we didnt.. we have a heart unlike those...and there they are talking about terrorism and we are fighting for freedom..


Do reply...I shall we waiting.. Dont turn this into picky cheap shots...
Since its 5am i shall prayer and rest. Il deal with this later on in the day

[jumpn jza]

If that was really the case, and if U.S. really needed Bin Laden as a scapegoat, then they would have taken the deal and never bothered with the ensuing campaign. There is nothing in Afghanistan. U.S. actually didn't want to be there as evidenced by them relocating the troops to Iraq. As for all the conspiracies of U.S. needing a base to stage strikes into the Middle East, they already had Pakistan's permission to set up bases within Pakistani borders. Really the only conclusion that one can draw to why U.S. is still in Afghanistan is purely for Bin Laden. There is no conspiracy.

Yes, but you can see my rationale as to why I think it was legitimate for the Taliban to ask for evidence. Especially at that time since evidence of Bin Laden's involvement was still ambiguous. As for the reason behind invading Afghanistan, this is something we can only guess at. Who knows what plans American interests have for the region, such plans may not be immediate, maybe we'll realize what they had in mind for the country a decade from now.

[BilalisPakistani]

Apology for killing 60 children? Big deal. Those are just the ones we know about, theyve destroyed the whole country. Id like to know what the civilian death toll is in Afghanistan but I guarantee we never will.
Nobody gives a shit about dead Muslims.

Some of you guys in this thread sound like some ign'ant ass rednecks.
There is a difference between being patriotic and blindly swallowing bullshit propaganda. Stop watching Fox News.

I just hope Afghanistan can eventually recover from this, tho I doubt it ever will.

Its a shame the rest of the world sees us as terrorists now. And those of you who think Obama can change that, who knows. I could definitely see Obama going to war somewhere. Its what we do. The only question is which Islamic country is next on the list.

[indesicive]

If that was really the case, and if U.S. really needed Bin Laden as a scapegoat, then they would have taken the deal and never bothered with the ensuing campaign. There is nothing in Afghanistan. U.S. actually didn't want to be there as evidenced by them relocating the troops to Iraq. As for all the conspiracies of U.S. needing a base to stage strikes into the Middle East, they already had Pakistan's permission to set up bases within Pakistani borders. Really the only conclusion that one can draw to why U.S. is still in Afghanistan is purely for Bin Laden. There is no conspiracy.


War protesters claimed George W Bush was invading Iraq for oil. That was only partly true, and their cries for peace were uninformed. US-led invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were for oil, but not for consumption. Pre-Iraq invasion, Saddam Hussein was trading in EUROs. Afghanistan is key to piping oil out of the Caspian Basin.


think you'll find that there is!

Yes, but you can see my rationale as to why I think it was legitimate for the Taliban to ask for evidence. Especially at that time since evidence of Bin Laden's involvement was still ambiguous. As for the reason behind invading Afghanistan, this is something we can only guess at. Who knows what plans American interests have for the region, such plans may not be immediate, maybe we'll realize what they had in mind for the country a decade from now.

I think this is the best conspiracy which holds alot of ground...
(read the full article here http://www.thinkandask.com/news/thedollar.html)

Dollar vs EURO -- Weapons of mass destruction

Duelling currencies -- the weapons of mass destruction

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in the form of EURO currency. The petrodollar depends upon Iraq's oil reserves to defend the United States dollar against the EURO and other currencies. In 2001, well before Iraq's invasion, the dollar faced uncertainty as an overpriced, debt heavy currency against a new and robust EURO. In early 2004, the dollar is losing ground.
The economics will change however. Now that The United States of America has taken both Iraq and Afghanistan and owns those country's natural resources, the dollar plans a brighter future, or a stable one at best. Iraq trades (again) in dollars. The White House said all along they were freeing Iraqis and Afghanis from tyranny, and searching for weapons of mass destruction, and that the US-military was not invading those countries for oil, but that wasn't true.



The way things are moving, will we all live to see the next decade?
WW3 is on the horizen...
Iran has been on the agenda for the U.S. for a while now and Bush has made no secret of it. Why?


The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse.

In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the international oil market


(read the rest - http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html)


Just to sum up, the U.S. are trying to get rid of anyone that oppose's their way of life and anything that contradicts 'the American Dream' The Economy of the U.S. somewhat hinges on their (PNAC) Agenda...
m3JmXQ-z8S4
...interesting video

I feel they are effectively killing two birds with one stone by carrying this through
a) Gaining financial control
b) Trying to de-stabilize Islamic states

(lol and the fact is Islam has had so much more exposure through the War on Terror whereby people are actually joining the religion at a much faster rate now than they were pre-9/11)

[indesicive]

Does anyone see how the above is inter-linked?

Afganistan --> Iraq --> Iran --> (anyones guess)

[TDSR]

Point number 1...Usa has the best weapons with 95% plus accuracy..Im sure u will agree to that? so are their so0o0o many innocent lives lost? if they knew militants were hiding with normal civilians shudnt air strikes be called off? well, they are not. therefore colateral damage...many dead.
Now comon, we all know USA is going to deny they purposely target muslims
since the world is already against their wars, no country in their right would admit to it...so we as the public have to look at stats......and trust me they arent friendly, there are soo many deaths as innocent casualities..WTF they doiing in either country in the first place is beyone my belief...You clearly admit they have no right in iraq, then they can invade that country for the fun of it then what makes u say they wont invade another? they make up shitt bush and osama are probz homies in real life as far as you know.

I don't speculate. And your first paragraph is speculation. Give me hard evidence in recent memory where orders were given to specifically target civilians. It doesn't even have to be Iraq.

the term of terrorist is is a label for one who personally is involved in an act of terrorism. Terrorist tactics may also be used by dissident groups or other non-state actors to achieve political ends or for purposes of extortion.

now the ameicans are doing what this defintion says....they have no right in either country, they are just enforceing their power on other countries, on muslim countries...maybe they feel threatened by our growth...and obviously you are..

I'm not threatened by anything. As for "your growth", I have no idea what you're even talking about. You mean economic growth? In that case that's pretty much limited to UAE, with whom U.S. has great relations with. If you mean growth of the Muslim population, then that growth isn't in the Middle East. That growth is mainly concentrated in Indonesia and Europe. As for terrorism:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

By this definition, nearly every expansive nation in the history of mankind, including Islamic empires as well as modern day peoples both Muslim and non-Muslim have engaged in terrorism.



Point 2...A soldier end of the day is paid to die. That is his risk...he is holding the weapon and pointing and shooting...if they are following orders...then we wudnt see all these human right abuses, they are tarnishing the american army the pure symbol of freedom and peace..? You must have heard of these abuses in abu gharib prison and the use of guantanomo bay...where no-one i believe has been convicted and are just being held and tortured, this is what your precious army is doing and is also to blame, and thats why i support these people who defend themselves...they not going to wait for another holocaust....So, the soldier deserves to die, since he is REPRESENTING govt and country and is first in contact of their cruel ways of domination.
What are they trying to do emulating the british in their 1900s

Congrats, you completely missed the point I was making go read it again. I'm not going to repeat myself.


Point 3...Americans soldiers havent made any concreate gains..therefore is ineffective. end of story..they are killing civilians are many of their own troops are dead...a number alot higher then official statements...
you tell me of PURE american victory, they cleanly won the militants..they are losing this war...and CANT wait to get out...but they cant show the world they lost and ran away, THATS the real reason they are still there, for their pride...why dnt they learn from Vietnam...btw did they win that aswel?
was that war necessery aswell, to preserve american way of life?

Again this is pure speculation. For all intents and purposes of what a war entails they DID win the war. They toppled the cowardly Taliban and they toppled Saddam's regime. And no, politics isn't a game of ego; the soldiers are there in Iraq to protect oil, plain and simple. They are there in Afghanistan to find Osama, plain and simple. I'm not sure what the fuck you meant by your last sentence but that's the most nonsensical thing I've read from you so far. It has nothing to do with my previous post as I never talked about the American way of life once. Again, if U.S. wanted to, it could get out of Afghanistan and carpet bomb the region to oblivion. Americans haven't lost any war this past decade.


Point 4...good old albanians they were also slaughtered...why the usa supported them? well to get the best out of them...even now albanians still live in pain from the massacres..Probably, to counter russia in some way, like Kosovo...after thousands were killed, the albanian elite then they interviened.

None of which is hard evidence. Every point you've made above, including this one has been speculations and conspiracy theories. None of that shit is going to work. If you want to get your point across I need to see hard data.

Point 5.....Iraq......is about oil....and how they can control oil..simple
they havent pullled out because of oil...marines are dying everyday because they dont know wt they fighting for..a unjust war...

You just contradicted your previous argument with this one.

Your point doesnt even stand...they are weak.....they cant control even a borough...of iraq.

Because they are not there for war. They are there for oil. They already won the war.

So, why dont they have the country on lock down? the marines are there for "general" reasons, or they there to destroy the people, they destroyed Baghdad one the oldest islamic cities and most importanrt centers...what next Damascus? this is just genocide, if they were peacekeeping there, then no iraqi wud have fuckd with them..

Iraqis are too busy killing each other. Most of the genocide out of that area is Sunni-Shia and has little to do with U.S. forces. And your point about lockdown is purely nonsensical. Again this half brained fantasy of U.S. being weaker than they let on is just that: a fantasy.

So my post flow with idiocy? well if ur post are not the most anti-muslim, anti-islamic, anti- wt ever, i dont know wtf is.

And this is a textbook summary of the previous 5 nonsensical points you call an argument. Show me where I have made one anti-Muslim remark or shut the fuck up.

The infraction is bullshit
where is my freedom of speech...either way sameer gave it.. i dont really care
it doesnt show who is a douchbag just who cant take other peoples views and something that contradicts their personall beliefs...as for you, wake up and smell what your freedom country is doing along with others..maybe when their is no more, you will realise what the real meaning was behnd their crusade...i bet salahudin is flipping and turning is his grave...because in them days, we actualy ruled with peace and defence...and we did indeed had the power to totally destroy jews, hindus, christians from the face of the planet, but we didnt.. we have a heart unlike those...and there they are talking about terrorism and we are fighting for freedom..

^Your terrorist colours are showing. In fact this is exactly why you should be dragged off to Gitmo.

More importantly that's blatantly false. The Caliphate was an empire just like any. It expanded its rule on neighbouring states and in effect was no different than U.S. today. If U.S. is responsible for terrorism, so was the Caliphate. As for the Caliphate being powerful; it got raped into oblivion several times over by Mongols. And as for you having the power to destroy us lowly Kafirs, the Arab army was halted in Deccan, as well as Western Europe.


Do reply...I shall we waiting.. Dont turn this into picky cheap shots...
Since its 5am i shall prayer and rest. Il deal with this later on in the day

I did reply to your nonsensical post. I'm convinced more than ever after a comment like this:

and we did indeed had the power to totally destroy jews, hindus, christians from the face of the planet

that you have a deluded sense of reality and history and should be hauled off to prison as you're clearly a terrorist in the making.

[TDSR]

think you'll find that there is!


There are easier ways to pump oil out of the Caspian. When the war in Afghanistan first started, relations between U.S. and Russia were much better than they are now. They could have easily struck deals for an alternative route for a pipeline.

[indesicive]

Apology for killing 60 children? Big deal. Those are just the ones we know about, theyve destroyed the whole country. Id like to know what the civilian death toll is in Afghanistan but I guarantee we never will.
Nobody gives a shit about dead Muslims.

Some of you guys in this thread sound like some ign'ant ass rednecks.
There is a difference between being patriotic and blindly swallowing bullshit propaganda. Stop watching Fox News.

I just hope Afghanistan can eventually recover from this, tho I doubt it ever will.

[B]Its a shame the rest of the world sees us as terrorists now. And those of you who think Obama can change that, who knows. I could definitely see Obama going to war somewhere. Its what we do. The only question is which Islamic country is next on the list.

Refreshing to see an American speaking sense and against their own Administration (even tho i had you down as Canadian)

[indesicive]

There are easier ways to pump oil out of the Caspian. When the war in Afghanistan first started, relations between U.S. and Russia were much better than they are now. They could have easily struck deals for an alternative route for a pipeline.

Yes maybe they could have done, but then that kinda gives the game away ie their motive for invading Iraq.

This war on Terror started in Afghanistan, which can now be seen as the 'stepping-stone' into Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction were used as a ruse to invade Iraq claiming that a terror attack on the US was imminent.

Hence, it was a well put together plan that is still in operation.

[TDSR]

Yes maybe they could have done, but then that kinda gives the game away ie their motive for invading Iraq.

This war on Terror started in Afghanistan, which can now be seen as the 'stepping-stone' into Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction were used as a ruse to invade Iraq claiming that a terror attack on the US was imminent.

Hence, it was a well put together plan that is still in operation.

I already said several times that I never supported the Iraq war.

[Dream_GirL]

............

[TDSR]

nope i wont shut the fuck up until the cockroach dies. you are soo fucking stuk up its not funny.

And you are a walking pile of rhino shit.

[indesicive]

I already said several times that I never supported the Iraq war.

For crying out loud, where in my post did I attack you or your opinions on the Iraq war. I'm trying to justify the reason's why the U.S invaded Afghanistan in the first place.

What they achieved from Afghanistan (apart from ridding them of the Taliban and turning the country inside-out in the search of Osama) was to have made it acceptable for the U.S. to invade Iraq (laying these pipelines through the Caspian Sea seems to have been a part of their plan and coincides pretty well)

[indesicive]

^ beg your pardon. I could never justify their actions, meant to say 'make sense of'

[TDSR]

For crying out loud, where in my post did I attack you or your opinions on the Iraq war. I'm trying to justify the reason's why the U.S invaded Afghanistan in the first place.

What they achieved from Afghanistan (apart from ridding them of the Taliban and turning the country inside-out in the search of Osama) was to have made it acceptable for the U.S. to invade Iraq (laying these pipelines through the Caspian Sea seems to have been a part of their plan and coincides pretty well)

My point is if you want this theory to have more bearing, you're going to have to come up with something beyond a coincidence; especially since these pipelines could have been done much more efficiently through another route. Believe it or not I'm not for any one side. Not U.S., not anyone else. All I'm asking for is evidence. Not speculation and not emotional responses.

[Dream_GirL]

.............

[indesicive]

My point is if you want this theory to have more bearing, you're going to have to come up with something beyond a coincidence; especially since these pipelines could have been done much more efficiently through another route. Believe it or not I'm not for any one side. Not U.S., not anyone else. All I'm asking for is evidence. Not speculation and not emotional responses.

These arent emotional responses, i'm going by conspiracy theories since that is all we have to go by. Claims made by the US that Osama was the prime suspect were made BEFORE Osama made the 'confession' I doubt the U.S. have any concrete evidence themselves to justify their actions. And on that note, why have they been unable to provide such evidence to the rest of the world considering they were so sure about Osama that they were willing to spend Millions of Tax-payers money on invading a country in the search of a fugitive.

Also remember the plane that hit the pentagon? They still havent provided any proof to suggest that the Pentagon had been struck.

Where is Osama & where are the WMD's. We'll be asking about Iran's Nuclear weapons in years to come...it's all a mystery :think:

[Halal Meat]

lmao at this being moved
who moved it?

[London_Man]

I know this thread wont got more then one page but what the hell as long as some Muslims get to read this

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/17/afghanistan.us/index.html


"I offer all Afghans my sincere condolences and personal regrets for the recent loss of innocent life as a result of coalition air strikes," -U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates

And yet these american pigs want sympathy from the world for doing the right thing?? Call me crazy but killing 60 children and having the secretary of defense write a mediocre apology towards Afghans that probably none of them is ever gonna read is ridiculous. If this is not pure terrorism then tell me what is?
Yet when american troops (not children) get attacked in Afghanistan by afghans in self defense its without any proof blamed on al qaeda and they are labeled terrorists :no:

well... they are only humans. they cant get terrorists 100% of the time u know!

of course... they should compensate the families of the innocent.

[TYPE_R_GINO]

I know this thread wont got more then one page but what the hell as long as some Muslims get to read this

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/17/afghanistan.us/index.html


"I offer all Afghans my sincere condolences and personal regrets for the recent loss of innocent life as a result of coalition air strikes," -U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates

And yet these american pigs want sympathy from the world for doing the right thing?? Call me crazy but killing 60 children and having the secretary of defense write a mediocre apology towards Afghans that probably none of them is ever gonna read is ridiculous. If this is not pure terrorism then tell me what is?
Yet when american troops (not children) get attacked in Afghanistan by afghans in self defense its without any proof blamed on al qaeda and they are labeled terrorists :no:



:no:


btw....I'm in total agreement with regards to the the title of this thread

[TDSR]

These arent emotional responses, i'm going by conspiracy theories since that is all we have to go by. Claims made by the US that Osama was the prime suspect were made BEFORE Osama made the 'confession' I doubt the U.S. have any concrete evidence themselves to justify their actions. And on that note, why have they been unable to provide such evidence to the rest of the world considering they were so sure about Osama that they were willing to spend Millions of Tax-payers money on invading a country in the search of a fugitive.

Also remember the plane that hit the pentagon? They still havent provided any proof to suggest that the Pentagon had been struck.

Where is Osama & where are the WMD's. We'll be asking about Iran's Nuclear weapons in years to come...it's all a mystery :think:

Uh, yes they have.

http://www.debunking911.com/

[harika]

This thread reminds me of this song,
I posted 2 links, cause there are 2 different videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P12aqVeZkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKQD2AV58Y8

If you haven't already heard this band, I highly suggest you check out there other songs.

[desi_uk]

I answered your question, you mindeffed mofo.:-| please go back and read. You don't understand, no? well too bad.

where did you answer my question all you said is that the afghan fighters had pledged an alliance to kill but i wanted to know who have they killed, who have they pledged an alliance to kill and why please answer my question without using foul language if you cant answer it then just say so

[indesicive]

Uh, yes they have.

http://www.debunking911.com/

They have only provided pictures of the aftermath and a video taken from a petrol garage why is there no official cctv footage (from the pentagon) of a PLANE slamming into the Pentagon?

The pentagon being the most guarded building in the world would have enough camera's to pick up shots of every angle you could think of right?
The easiest way to quash rumours and conspiracy theories would be to provide a video tape to prove what had actually happened...

Heres a very interesting vid:

mnzh-EyxKwc

[indesicive]

notice how this guy proves that this is an amatuer video, you see an explosion split seconds BEFORE the impact (this is the only official video released by govt officials)

[TDSR]

They have only provided pictures of the aftermath and a video taken from a petrol garage why is there no official cctv footage (from the pentagon) of a PLANE slamming into the Pentagon?

The pentagon being the most guarded building in the world would have enough camera's to pick up shots of every angle you could think of right?
The easiest way to quash rumours and conspiracy theories would be to provide a video tape to prove what had actually happened...

Heres a very interesting vid:

mnzh-EyxKwc


vhf4BuUP_zQ


/end discussion.

[indesicive]

Have a look at the video's in this thread compiled by loose change...again they are only theories but seem alot closer to the truth than any other B.S. that the American Govt. tells you.

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=252510

[TDSR]

Have a look at the video's in this thread compiled by loose change...again they are only theories but seem alot closer to the truth than any other B.S. that the American Govt. tells you.

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=252510

Loose Change debunked:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en-CA



The Top Lies and Deceptions of Loose Change

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/top-lies-and-deceptions-of-loose.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gur2beM7MPs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M

http://www.lolinfowars.co.nr/

The people who made Loose Change effectively lied. Their conspiracy theories are quite clearly bullshit.

[indesicive]

vhf4BuUP_zQ


/end discussion.

This video does NOT end discussion mate, watch the video that I posted and how the creator not only claims but proves how the video had been edited. How does an explosion occur before impact?
Its like me giving you a black eye before my fist hits your face...:ugh:

[RacingSoul]

This video does NOT end discussion mate, watch the video that I posted and how the creator not only claims but proves how the video had been edited. How does an explosion occur before impact?
Its like me giving you a black eye before my fist hits your face...:ugh:

except I doubt your skinny ass is capable of doing anything remotely close to that.

[TDSR]

This video does NOT end discussion mate, watch the video that I posted and how the creator not only claims but proves how the video had been edited. How does an explosion occur before impact?
Its like me giving you a black eye before my fist hits your face...:ugh:

The guy in your video is clearly a moron. Popular Mechanics already debunked the "cylindrical" theory. Secondly, that camera runs on 2 second frame by frame snapshots. The NBC video showed it paused a few seconds before impact. There is no conspiracy here, just some unshaven suburban kid with too much time on his hands.

[indesicive]

except I doubt your skinny ass is capable of doing anything remotely close to that.

Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups. what would you know of my capabilities?

[jumpn jza]

btw halal meat, im eating pig and thinking of you.


halal meat is a fucking joke, the concept of it, eating meat in general is eating a dead caracass, no matter if the animal was "blessed by allah,' i admire vegetarians, but alas I am a meat-eater, i don't have the willpower, so i guess that makes me a hypocrite.

Halal is more than just blessing it. It's also about how the animal is killed etc. I'd prefer halal meat anyway. Plus, I don't eat no swine :hand:.

[indesicive]

btw halal meat, im eating pig and thinking of you.


halal meat is a fucking joke, the concept of it, eating meat in general is eating a dead caracass, no matter if the animal was "blessed by allah,' i admire vegetarians, but alas I am a meat-eater, i don't have the willpower, so i guess that makes me a hypocrite.

Halal is more than just blessing it. It's also about how the animal is killed etc. I'd prefer halal meat anyway. Plus, I don't eat no swine :hand:.

...and more importantly, we only eat clean animals, ie those that dont bathe in and eat the very shit they excrete from their anuses :idea:

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