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vsaigal
September 14th, 2008, 01:47 AM
can suck my dick!


:rant:

they are a bunch of cowards. Another e-mail, this too from Mumbai.

Sun, Sep 14 03:53 AM

Another blast, another e-mail from Mumbai. Minutes before five blasts went off in New Delhi, the Indian Mujahideen sent an e-mail to a television channel, bragging about its role in the attacks. Like in the July 26 Ahmedabad blasts case, the e-mail was traced to an eastern suburb in Mumbai.

The blasts had the same footprints as those in Hyderabad, Jaipur and Ahmedabad, with the e-mail-threatening to set off nine blasts in the Capital-claiming that Saturday's blasts are a continuation of the attacks in Gujarat and Rajasthan.

The rabid mail, which poured vitriol on Indian authorities, contained references to some very local Mumbai incidents-like a police raid on some Muslim colonies in Andheri-that were hardly noticed or reported even in the city. This, investigators said, showed that the perpetrators had good knowledge of events in Mumbai, possibly through a local network.

Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare told The Sunday Express that they suspected Saturday's mail was sent from a WiFi Internet connection at 201/202, Eric House, Commercial Complex, 16th Road, Chembur. The July 26 e-mail, sent minutes before the Ahmedabad blasts, had been traced to the unsecured WiFi connection of US national Kenneth Haywood in the eastern satellite city of Navi Mumbai, but its senders are yet to be traced. Another terror e-mail sent weeks earlier was traced to Khalsa College in Matunga, another eastern Mumbai suburb.

The two-storey Chembur building, from where Saturday's mail was sent, houses some garment shops, restaurants on the ground floor and has a pathology lab, a physiotherapy clinic and the office of a property developer on the first floor. On the second floor, 201/202, the residence of M.K. Kamat, was locked. The security guard said Kamat, his wife and son had been away all day. Investigators told The Sunday Express that Kamat owned Kamran Power Controls Pvt Ltd, which manufactures and exports electrical panels and control panel boards.

They said the PDF file in the terror e-mail seemed to have been created at 1.38 p.m. on Saturday while the e-mail ID, al_arbi_delhi@yahoo.com, from which the mail was sent was created minutes earlier. The high-end software used to create the PDF file was similar to those used in previous mails, indicating that the same group could be behind the mails.

The mail referred to a night raid on some Muslim colonies in Mumbai's Andheri suburb on August 31 and alleged that the ATS had harassed and troubled Muslims there. "You threatened to murder them and your mischief went to such an extent that you even dared to abuse and insult Maulana Mahmoood-ul-Hasan Qasmi and even misbehaved with the Muslim women and children there," the mail said.

The 13-page e-mail devotes considerable space to investigations carried out by the Gujarat and Rajasthan police and also the Mumbai ATS. Calling the Gujarat police's crackdown a "forged story", the mail taunts the police, asking them that if the masterminds had been nabbed then, "which mastermind executed today's attack?"

The e-mail signed off by Guru Al Hindi and Al-Arbi, further says: "The Indian Mujahideen accepts the sole responsibility for the Delhi serial blasts and we claim this through our third consecutive e-mail, which is unfortunately, still a mystery for you. It is very sad to see the bad condition of your cyber forensics who have still failed to find out our technique of sending the message of death."

(With inputs from Kavitha Iyer, Mumbai, and ENS, Delhi)

From the Indian Express.


Five bombs explode in New Delhi, 20 killed
An injured boy talks on a mobile phone after the bomb blast, at a hospital... Enlarge Photo An injured boy talks on a mobile phone after the bomb blast, at a hospital... Slideshow: Day in pictures: September 13 2008

Sun, Sep 14 08:01 AM

By Bappa Majumdar

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Five bombs exploded in quick succession in crowded markets and streets in New Delhi on Saturday, killing at least 20 people and injuring at least 90 more, police said.

The Indian Mujahideen Islamic militant group, which has claimed several major attacks in recent months, sent an e-mail to television stations saying it was responsible for the blasts.

Police and witnesses said two bombs went off in dustbins in and around Connaught Place, a shopping and dining area popular with tourists and locals in the city centre. Others exploded within minutes of each other in busy markets around the city.

"Around 6:30 p.m. we heard a very loud noise, then we saw people running all over the place," said Chanchal Kumar, a witness whose shirt was soaked with the blood of several victims whom he had helped to carry into ambulances.

"There were about 100-200 people around this place," he said. The weekend was a particularly busy one ahead of Hindu and Muslim festivals.

The Indian Mujahideen e-mail mentioned nine bombs. Police said they had found and defused four.

"We have news of 20 people killed, and the toll could rise as many people are seriously injured," Delhi police commissioner Y.S. Dadwal told reporters.

In a hospital bed, Gulab Singh, his head bandaged, wailed at the death of his 2-year-old grandson.

"We were all sitting around the parking lot when suddenly there was a huge blast. We did not know what happened. My world has changed," Singh said, crying inconsolably.

WAVE OF BOMBINGS

Hundreds of people have been killed in a wave of bombings in India in recent years, mostly blamed on Muslim militants, with targets ranging from mosques and Hindu temples to trains.

In July, at least 45 people were killed when a series of bombs ripped through Ahmedabad in Gujarat. A day earlier, one woman died when eight bombs went off in the IT hub of Bangalore.

The failure to prevent the attacks has become an embarrassment for the Congress party-led coalition government, with elections less than a year away.

Police say the Indian Mujahideen is an offshoot of the banned Students' Islamic Movement of India, but that local Muslims appear to have been given training and backing by militant groups in neighbouring Pakistan and Bangladesh.

"I can just say that these blasts have been planned by the enemies of the country and they will be taught a lesson," Minister of State for Home Affairs Sriprakash Jaiswal told reporters at one site.

Arun Jaitley, a senior leader of opposition Bharatiya Janata Party, told the NDTV channel that the profile of the bombers had changed over the last three years and attacks could no longer be blamed on outsiders.

"Homegrown terrorists are on the increase," he said. "We cannot shut our eyes to that reality."

Many streets that would normally have been bustling on a Saturday night quickly emptied after news of the attacks.

CROWDS TARGETED

One bomb exploded in a newly constructed park in the centre of the Connaught Place roundabout, built above one of the main stations of the Delhi underground. Police closed down the metro and major markets in the city as a precaution.

Another bomb went off in a dustbin near an underground station entrance on an arterial road leading into the area, housing the offices of several foreign banks and multinational companies.

"It was a huge blast," said another witness, Sanjeev Gole.

Other attacks came in the Ghaffar Market area of Karol Bagh, full of electronics shops and packed at weekends, and in Greater Kailash 1, home to restaurants and high-end retail outlets.

Broadcasts showed wrecked cars and mangled motorbikes alongside personal belongings, some of them bloodstained, and abandoned shoes.

Wounded people were shown being carried away by rescuers, one leaving a trail of blood on the ground.

Hundreds of people milled around as police cordoned off the sites of the explosions, many of them angry with the authorities.

India's deadliest attack in recent years came in July 2006, when seven bombs exploded on Mumbai's railway system, killing more than 180 people.

The last major attack to hit the capital was in 2005, when 66 people were killed when three bombs exploded in busy markets.

Al pacinos doll
September 14th, 2008, 01:47 AM
What are mujahideen?

vsaigal
September 14th, 2008, 01:48 AM
What are mujahideen?

wikipedia it, im not gonna go through an explanation.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 01:51 AM
apparently delhi was already on red alert before the blasts...but its a bit hard to prevent them......ppl expecting one 2day as well

vsaigal
September 14th, 2008, 01:52 AM
apparently delhi was already on red alert before the blasts...but its a bit hard to prevent them......ppl expecting one 2day as well

wat a bunch of madar choods. i swear.

but u know they defused a couple so good on them.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 01:56 AM
so they defused some....interesting......

Al pacinos doll
September 14th, 2008, 02:01 AM
wikipedia it, im not gonna go through an explanation.

Tell me, na. :chick:

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 02:07 AM
Tell me, na. :chick:

mujaheddin....basically radical islamists with a militant tendancy......i cant believe u never heard the term

vsaigal
September 14th, 2008, 02:42 AM
mujaheddin....basically radical islamists with a militant tendancy......i cant believe u never heard the term

:lol:

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:12 AM
Militancy in India all stems from the dispute between Pakistan and India over Kashmir.

It's been 60 years, but India still can't see that muslim majority state such as Kashmir, wants to join Pakistan (as per the agreed principles in 1947).

Once the Kashmir problem is settled, then militancy like this will cease to be a problem, both in Pakistan and in India.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:15 AM
Militancy in India all stems from the dispute between Pakistan and India over Kashmir.

It's been 60 years, but India still can't see that muslim majority state such as Kashmir, wants to join Pakistan (as per the agreed principles in 1947).

Once the Kashmir problem is settled, then militancy like this will cease to be a problem, both in Pakistan and in India.

kashmir is a different issue .....pakistan invaded it and the maharaja at that time signed a dela with india to assimilate kashmir into india on the condition that india would defend kashmir.......

London_Man
September 14th, 2008, 08:17 AM
welll this historical beef will never stop. indians blame the muslims and the muslims blame the indians. itr goes round and round in circles and it will never stop.

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:17 AM
The hindu maharaja would secede control to a hindu majority nation. It makes logical sense of people wanting to stick by their own.

So how can a Muslim majority state join a country (which the muslims of Kashmir didn't want) solely based upon a Hindu maharaja?

Pompeii
September 14th, 2008, 08:18 AM
welll this historical beef will never stop. indians blame the muslims and the muslims blame the indians. itr goes round and round in circles and it will never stop.



Muslims that live in India are considered Indians!?!

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:20 AM
It's well known that Muslims in India are second class citizens.

Have you ever read the antics of the hugely popular VHP, BJP, Shiv Sena??

Those stupid fools promote communal violence, they pay large amounts of money to hindu men who marry muslim girls.

If India stands to be a true democracy, then it should have the backbone to live up to the aspirations of the Kashmiri people. If the Kashmiri people decide (fairly), what they want, then both Pakistan and India should respect that.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:23 AM
to be honest...no one is gonna hold an opinion poll in kashmir......and as for the leaders in kashmir...they are bigger fuckwits than u can imagine

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:26 AM
to be honest...no one is gonna hold an opinion poll in kashmir......and as for the leaders in kashmir...they are bigger fuckwits than u can imagine

Well rightfully said.

But as India claims to be the biggest democracy in the world, it should rightfully have the decency as well as the backbone to hold a fair public opinion poll in Kashmir (as well as Pakistan holding one on their side). If no one gives a damn about the wrong doings and the killings of innocent people (recently innocent protestors) in Kashmir by the Indian 'security' forces, then you can't expect the Kashmiri people to sit there like ducks waiting to be shot.

But as you can imagine, if an oppressed people aren't given what they want, they will rebel, hence the situations of bombings in Delhi.

London_Man
September 14th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Muslims that live in India are considered Indians!?!

go and ask the hindu radicals... lets see what they say.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:33 AM
its not the kashmiris that are bombing india......its a combination of factors...including the ISI....kashmir is just a pretext for these missions....the real aim is to generally fuck up india and create a situation of fear........just find some marginalised youths...show them some guidance..and they will kill anyone for the cause that they think they are being led.......however the truth is ...its just being used by different ppl at different times for their own political gain,........as for the people......no one....anywhere gives a fuck about anyone who is not powerful and able to stand up..........and a fair public opinion poll...u already know my views on that......might happen...but it will be a fallacy....

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:37 AM
go and ask the hindu radicals... lets see what they say.

the key word here is radical my friend....they are all politicians that thrive on the divide and rule policy.....they might say nasty things to each other in public...bbut at the end..they gonna be in the same party sharing a drink.....thats politics....not the people....and u mite say oh the riots.....fuk that...if u r naive enough to believe that ppl randomly pick up arms and start rioting and killing....god help u

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:38 AM
The whole reason as to why the ISI is 'apparently doing as it is doing', falls back to the Kashmir dispute.

If the Kashmir problem was settled, then I can honestly say that India and Pakistan would be two prosperous nations. They spend billions and billions of dollars on their respective military, guarding the borders, security etc. If that was spent elsewhere, we won't be seeing militancy or poverty in South Asia.

Yet one doesn't even know who commits these crimes, it's easy to point fingers at the ISI, because they apparently are hostile towards India, but in reality most of the times it's internal matters of India which lead to this, and when people demand who did this, it's easy to point fingers at the 'enemy'.

London_Man
September 14th, 2008, 08:39 AM
the key word here is radical my friend....they are all politicians that thrive on the divide and rule policy.....they might say nasty things to each other in public...bbut at the end..they gonna be in the same party sharing a drink.....thats politics....not the people....and u mite say oh the riots.....fuk that...if u r naive enough to believe that ppl randomly pick up arms and start rioting and killing....god help u

bun dat. of course there are reasons behind it. as i said. its been going on for so long... its like a non stop cycle.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:41 AM
dragon..as i said..different ppl at different times........and as for kashmir....make the line of control the border...thats it......no fucking nonsense after that

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:42 AM
the key word here is radical my friend....they are all politicians that thrive on the divide and rule policy.....they might say nasty things to each other in public...bbut at the end..they gonna be in the same party sharing a drink.....thats politics....not the people....and u mite say oh the riots.....fuk that...if u r naive enough to believe that ppl randomly pick up arms and start rioting and killing....god help u

Let me inform of you of 'politics'.

In the Gujurat riots of India a few years back, a train full of hindu devotees were burned alive. The official verdict: A gas canister exploding within the train, the political verdict: Muslims.

2,000 muslims were killed by the following violence. But hey, one would expect justice afterwards, yes?

No, over 1,500 Muslims were arrested for 'their crime', and only a handful of Hindus were arrested and later released.

So no, that wasn't 'politics', that was the racist discrimination evident in the democratic state of India.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:42 AM
bun dat. of course there are reasons behind it. as i said. its been going on for so long... its like a non stop cycle.

wat do u wanna hear.....

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:43 AM
dragon..as i said..different ppl at different times........and as for kashmir....make the line of control the border...thats it......no fucking nonsense after that

Why make the line of control the border?

Whatever happened to listening to what the Kashmiris want?

Furthermore, that would lead to further violence!

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:45 AM
Let me inform of you of 'politics'.

In the Gujurat riots of India a few years back, a train full of hindu devotees were burned alive. The official verdict: A gas canister exploding within the train, the political verdict: Muslims.

2,000 muslims were killed by the following violence. But hey, one would expect justice afterwards, yes?

No, over 1,500 Muslims were arrested for 'their crime', and only a handful of Hindus were arrested and later released.

So no, that wasn't 'politics', that was the racist discrimination evident in the democratic state of India.

hav u even considered the fact that the gas cannister may be sanctioned by a hindu politician......how the fuck is it not politics......these are not random acts of carnage.....otherwise u can go on with ur sob story about muslims in india...i dont really giv a fuck....coz that seems like ur one point agenda here

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:46 AM
Why make the line of control the border?

Whatever happened to listening to what the Kashmiris want?

Furthermore, that would lead to further violence!

:rofl:..are u in lala land...

London_Man
September 14th, 2008, 08:47 AM
wat do u wanna hear.....

i want to hear about the day when muslims and hindus can live side by side in peace. but thats never going to happen in certain area's in india.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:49 AM
i want to hear about the day when muslims and hindus can live side by side in peace. but thats never going to happen in certain area's in india.

as long as there is the politics of divide and rule that will never happen...political parties/candidates are segregated by religious/caste lines.....

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:49 AM
:rofl:..are u in lala land...

Well if you ignore the aspirations of what the Kashmiris want, then don't complain when more of these bomb blasts take place ;)

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:52 AM
Well if you ignore the aspirations of what the Kashmiris want, then don't complain when more of these bomb blasts take place ;)

ok...who decides what the people want......its not the people sunshine........

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 08:54 AM
ok...who decides what the people want......its not the people sunshine........

Well have you ever heard of democracy? A plebiscite?

The people will decide what they want.

Like I said, if you don't have the backbone to face up to the requests, then have the backbone to face up to the consequences.

London_Man
September 14th, 2008, 08:54 AM
as long as there is the politics of divide and rule that will never happen...political parties/candidates are segregated by religious/caste lines.....

no no no. its bigger than that.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Well have you ever heard of democracy? A plebiscite?

The people will decide what they want.

Like I said, if you don't have the backbone to face up to the requests, then have the backbone to face up to the consequences.

u seem to forget which region we are in....that word dont mean much in the subcontinent......i know how things work down there.....so save me ur idealist views

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 08:57 AM
no no no. its bigger than that.

so u sayin that ppl genuinely hate each other......

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 09:01 AM
so u sayin that ppl genuinely hate each other......

The racism and hatred of each other has been fed down generation by generation.

Now Muslims vs Hindus, Sikh vs Muslim, Hindu vs Sikh, they simply hate each other. Yesterday it was sikhs, today it is muslims, tommorow as it stands it's the christians (with the burning of 19 churches in India).

I agree democracy doesn't work in South Asia, but must we all live in this 'it won't work, so let's not bother' attitude?

If people don't resolve the issues we have between us, then we'll just end up killing each other as we are now, so some people do need to have an idealistic and optimistic approach!

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 09:03 AM
The racism and hatred of each other has been fed down generation by generation.

Now Muslims vs Hindus, Sikh vs Muslim, Hindu vs Sikh, they simply hate each other. Yesterday it was sikhs, today it is muslims, tommorow as it stands it's the christians (with the burning of 19 churches in India).

I agree democracy doesn't work in South Asia, but must we all live in this 'it won't work, so let's not bother' attitude?

If people don't resolve the issues we have between us, then we'll just end up killing each other as we are now, so some people do need to have an idealistic and optimistic approach!
i see ur point on the lets not bother attitude...i hope u see mine on the issue as a whole.....i think we can leave it there..as so much can be said

di vinci
September 14th, 2008, 09:03 AM
you take politicians out of the equation you have peace on earth. people who want power always finds ways of promting their hates and getting a dumb wagon load of people folwing their idology

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 09:04 AM
you take politicians out of the equation you have peace on earth. people who want power always finds ways of promting their hates and getting a dumb wagon load of people folwing their idology

touche

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 09:05 AM
but u need some form of leadership.....

London_Man
September 14th, 2008, 09:06 AM
so u sayin that ppl genuinely hate each other......

LOL

hell yes.

look at the uk for example. even though these 2nd and 3rd generation of asians have been out of india/pakistan for so long. they still know about the history and this hate is even carried on till today.

people like me... born and raised in london.... yet i know how all the elders in my community feel when it comes to muslims and india. its the same for the pakistani/bangladeshi/indian etc etc communities. no one will come out and say it blatantly... but everyone knows the deal. i have plenty of friends from different communities and each one has their side of the story.

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 09:07 AM
you take politicians out of the equation you have peace on earth. people who want power always finds ways of promting their hates and getting a dumb wagon load of people folwing their idology

But the racism and hatred has been indoctrinated on a generation by generation basis.

The other day I was watching the Amir Khan fight on the net, the chatroom next to the video playing the fight was full of Anti-Asian sentiment, that stuff doesn't just come about by politicians, it's been handed down by the family!

There will never be peace on earth, this world is full of people, and as we all know, some people never get on with 'other' people.

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 09:09 AM
LOL

hell yes.

look at the uk for example. even though these 2nd and 3rd generation of asians have been out of india/pakistan for so long. they still know about the history and this hate is even carried on till today.

people like me... born and raised in london.... yet i know how all the elders in my community feel when it comes to muslims and india. its the same for the pakistani/bangladeshi/indian etc etc communities. no one will come out and say it blatantly... but everyone knows the deal. i have plenty of friends from different communities and each one has their side of the story.

We all hate each other :(

London_Man
September 14th, 2008, 09:09 AM
But the racism and hatred has been indoctrinated on a generation by generation basis.

The other day I was watching the Amir Khan fight on the net, the chatroom next to the video playing the fight was full of Anti-Asian sentiment, that stuff doesn't just come about by politicians, it's been handed down by the family!

There will never be peace on earth, this world is full of people, and as we all know, some people never get on with 'other' people.

exactly the point i was trying to make. smashed it.

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 09:12 AM
the indoctrination is true...it all comes down to the society u live in and the upbringing u have been given....that lets u make better informed decisions about who u want to hate :lol:

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 09:13 AM
speaking of aamir khan..a dude made this thread here about alll the hate groups on facebook :rofl:......so fkin funny......how blatantly ignorant ppl are

Enter_The_Dragon
September 14th, 2008, 09:16 AM
Lol@Amir Khans bashing.

What made me laugh was when he walked into the ring with the music kicking, and him imitating punches whilst walking into the ring like he's some superstar.

The Colombian just had a basic walk in, and he knocked the fuck out of Amir Khan!

vsaigal
September 14th, 2008, 10:01 AM
u fuck warts sent my thread to useless junk and falme. fuck warts i swear. :no:

zarahomme
September 14th, 2008, 10:09 AM
wrong........we made some of the most valid points here......i think the reason it was moved wz coz of the india/pak ....religion issues etc that usually end up in conflict. This was not the case here....however a mod wanted to be safe than sorry

vsaigal
September 14th, 2008, 10:14 AM
wrong........we made some of the most valid points here......i think the reason it was moved wz coz of the india/pak ....religion issues etc that usually end up in conflict. This was not the case here....however a mod wanted to be safe than sorry

yes i know, if u hadnt even started it will all be good and dandy.

i swear these mods, have nothing better to do.