Bollywoods failures.

[Luxifero]

I want to discuss what people conclude to be the failures Bollywood has had over the past few decades. Personally, I find one of them to be its false form of sexual liberation by women. If you have more ideas, add your two cents.

1.Bollywood and it's objectification of women.

You've all seen it as much as I have: the blatant eroticism that has sneaked into Bollywood under the facade of sexual liberation. Unlike the previous controversial mannerisms women conducted themselves in old Bollywood, these women, these directors leading these women, have very little respect for their civic well being in society, a shattering decry of the decades of hardships Indian women have gone through in their desperate plea for parity amongst men; But most importantly, the representation of Indian women in Bollywood falls upon the shoulders of beautifully sculpted women, far from physical imperfections, married with their experience in the life of Fashionably successful societies and elitist cliques. They are far from closely resembling the average Indian women, by manner, by cultural norms, or by religious zeal; they provide the viewer with a sensationalized version of Indian women, sensationalized by the visceral, sexual desires of hormonal men.

Do you think women are objectified, poorly represented, and horribly degraded through Bollywood?

[vsaigal]

:werd: :werd: :werd:


wasup mate.

:cheers:

[. :: a L i ::.]

I want to discuss what people conclude to be the failures Bollywood has had over the past few decades. Personally, I find one of them to be it's false form of sexual liberation by women. If you have more ideas, add your two cents.

1.Bollywood and it's objectification of women.

You've all seen it as much as I have: the blatant eroticism that has sneaked into Bollywood under the facade of sexual liberation. Unlike the previous controversial mannerisms women conducted themselves in old Bollywood, these women, these directors leading these women, have very little respect for their civic well being in society, a shattering decry of the decades of hardships Indian women have gone through in their desperate plea for parity amongst men.

Do you think women are objectified, poorly represented, and horribly degraded through Bollywood?

ur a woman inside a man´s body :Paper:

[vsaigal]

ur a woman inside a man´s body :Paper:



:lol:


no harm in being nice.

[Luxifero]

I'm not a women inside a mans body, I may be metrosexual, but that's trivial.

I'm just concerned that Bollywood is becoming a circus, a festoon of half-naked models blatantly destroying Indian identities by poor representation. Bollywood has an ethical responsibility which it fails to acknowledge.

[. :: a L i ::.]

:lol:


no harm in being nice.

seriously i don give a damn! :dunno: let the women fight their battle ;)

[. :: a L i ::.]

I'm not a women inside a mans body, I may be metrosexual, but that's trivial.

I'm just concerned that Bollywood is becoming a circus, a festoon of half-naked models blatantly destroying Indian identities by poor representation. Bollywood has an ethical responsibility which it fails to acknowledge.

maybe they found out that sex sells :sarb: (they were too late figuring that out)

[vsaigal]

I'm not a women inside a mans body, I may be metrosexual, but that's trivial.

I'm just concerned that Bollywood is becoming a circus, a festoon of half-naked models blatantly destroying Indian identities by poor representation. Bollywood has an ethical responsibility which it fails to acknowledge.

i disagree about this.

[Luxifero]

Why do you disagree?

[vsaigal]

Why do you disagree?

when was the last time u went to india? delhi, bombay, maybe even punjab, or pune, bengal? anywhere?

[Luxifero]

A year and a half ago; I'll be there this coming December, and then again in April. I make regular visits.

[simple life]

I don't believe having girls run around in less than half thier clothing is liberation at all - it is purely objectifying for the profit motive.

[SarcasmicBengali]

ah... i have a feeling we'll get along... maybe.

in responce:
first and foremost, any industry is a money making venture. therefore the content has to have appeal enough to bring in the hoardes.
in every industry... sex sells.
case in point being sexy wet supermodels making a spectacle of themselves in a public fountain, which ended up being a beer commercial :|
so even in a film industry, sex will be a primary seller in terms of content, followed by guns and booze. and this is true and very evident even in Hollywood, not just the Indian industry.
now don't misunderstand, i'm not using the 'everyone does it' defence to justify the objectification of women... all i'm saying is that it's unfair to single out one industry for going with what works, especialy since that one industry caught on to the concept decades after everyone else.

2ndly: the churning out of these half naked women in Indian films is only fueled by the success of previous films with similar content, which directly refers to the acceptance of the audience of such a thing.
so more so than the makers, who are essentialy creating and packaging a product... the demand of such a product by the audience has a huge part to play.
i'm going to use RD as an example again, since it a good frame of referance as to how desis are socialy.
films with sex, or sexual content is much discussed here; the pros, cons, controversies, scandals, etc etc... yet a thread on a film that's criticaly been a success and elavates the Indian Industry worldwide probably won't make it past the first page.

as to the last part of your question:
i don't think so.
yes women are shown as objects, it's wrong but again it falls back on us, the audience who care more about an actresses body, looks and other superficial qualities rather than focusin on her talent.
for example: in 2007 Deepika Padukone's debut was highly awaited and talked about after the release, even though she's just another model making her first screen debut in a masala flick.
where as Shefali Shah, who's a critically acclaimed and established actress is ignored in her performance as Kasturba Gandhi.

there's amazing actresses out there with a LOT of talent.
the ballsy ones, will say 'fuck all' to what people think of them and do roles with substance...
the rest wil gauge to see if they they'll even be accepted in, as you put it, an average Indian woman role, before doing so.

[. :: a L i ::.]

This thread is boring































Here some eyecandy :lol:

http://desivideos.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/girlfriend.jpg

[Presence]

You nailed it, better then I did, same thing has been playing in my mind aswell.

[Presence]

in every industry... sex sells.
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I've that line used before ..dislike it very much no matter how true it is.

The only time it will stop selling is when people copulate in the streets like donkeys.

[Rogue]

totally agree. i don't like the guise they try to give as it being "more artistic" or "openminded" when clearly it is far from it. there's the matter of doing something tastefully with regard to the story, as opposed to, doing it entirely for the sake of profit by delivering soft porn to the public.

the way i see it, if it requires a lot of soft porn or other explicit content which doesn't exactly contribute a whole lot to the story, then usually it is due to the lack of a compelling story.

as a more recent example of something i would consider 'tasteful' would be parineeta, which was done very well. any scenes that insinuated romance, too, were done tastefully and i would consider them far more artistically done than the crap that gets dished out in movies like race.

[SarcasmicBengali]

totally agree. i don't like the guise they try to give as it being "more artistic" or "openminded" when clearly it is far from it. there's the matter of doing something tastefully with regard to the story, as opposed to, doing it entirely for the sake of profit by delivering soft porn to the public.

the way i see it, if it requires a lot of soft porn or other explicit content which doesn't exactly contribute a whole lot to the story, then usually it is due to the lack of a compelling story.

as a more recent example of something i would consider 'tasteful' would be parineeta, which was done very well. any scenes that insinuated romance, too, were done tastefully and i would consider them far more artistically done than the crap that gets dished out in movies like race.

wow... my post was smaller than yours? :|

and i was actualy channeling the "Rogue" aura while writing that... :p