Why I don't like religion in marriage... serious discussion.

[ShivaChrist]

First, no haters please. Serious discussion,.

I was reading over certain threads about marriage and marrying into one's religion, and I finally zoned in on why I have a problem with this... this is after I've seen my two Indian friends (who both like women other then Indian, yet get arranged marriages to Indians) and my Korean friend who is a Christian and only wants to marry another Korean Christian girl.

It seems to some people personality and good nature don't cut it if the religion isn't the same, and that just smacks of just not being right - here are two examples, and what I was thinking of while I was creating my latest dish for Shiva's Kitchen (hey, I had to plug it :P and it did come while I was working on it).

a) A man/woman could be perfect... great smile, great personality. He loves you to death, and would do anything for you (for the purposes of this thread, lets exclude converting to any other religion). He's smart, funny, and when you see him/her you're heart flutters and you can't help but smile inside. But he's not your religion so instantly you will not marry him.

or the next one.

b) A man/woman who is less then perfect... decent smile, decent personality. He likes you, and would do some stuff for you. He's pretty smart, funny at times, and sometimes when you see them you find yourself liking them. You're parents love him, though. Also, he's of the same religion as you so you consider him marriage material. After all, he's not that bad, and he has the same religion.

***

Now, I know some people will scream 'foul!' and say how they wouldn't marry an ordinary person just because they were the same religion but it happens all the time, everywhere in the world. People marry and have sucky lives. It is terrible, but its the truth.

For those who believe in 'soul mates' - who is to say your soul mate isn't Christian? Or white? Or asian? Or black, etc. For those who don't believe in soul mates this part of the question doesn't matter so you can skip this.

***

Anyway, please discuss seriously - if you found the perfect man/woman, with the only exception that he isn't of the same religion, why does it make sense to give him up for someone who isn't the perfect man/woman. Even if they are the same religion.

Anyway, food for thought.

I hope I typed that well enough, sometimes it forms in your head better then you end up typing, especially when you type the thread out during a 10 minute break as your meat is cooling down, and you have to get back to Shiva's Kitchen :)

/runs off to finish meal

[infamousbrownboy]

thats how it is. deal with it. what can i say.

[ShivaChrist]

Back for a minute... I forgot to mention what I would do. I would marry the one that I fell head over heels in love with, despite her religion. The thing is, you want to learn all about her religion so she knows that you care and want to know all about her, her family, and where she comes from. That is so important.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Who cares what her religion is as long as you love her more then life itself? Learn all about the woman you love, and treat her and her religion with respect.

[heartbrker]

if it was up to me...i'd marry whoever i wanted, but my family means a lot to me. i would give up being happy for my family's sake.

[punjabi_mundaa]

Back for a minute... I forgot to mention what I would do. I would marry the one that I fell head over heels in love with, despite her religion. The thing is, you want to learn all about her religion so she knows that you care and want to know all about her, her family, and where she comes from. That is so important.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Who cares what her religion is as long as you love her more then life itself? Learn all about the woman you love, and treat her and her religion with respect.

off course you would....Shiva and Christ....both influential figures from two almost opposite religions

[Shiv3rX]

Back for a minute... I forgot to mention what I would do. I would marry the one that I fell head over heels in love with, despite her religion. The thing is, you want to learn all about her religion so she knows that you care and want to know all about her, her family, and where she comes from. That is so important.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Who cares what her religion is as long as you love her more then life itself? Learn all about the woman you love, and treat her and her religion with respect.

off course you would....Shiva and Christ....both influential figures from two almost opposite religions

hahahaha :)

[ratedesi1]

My happiness means a lot to my family..and yes their happiness does mean the same to me...but I am going to live my own life...who has to deal with your husband...you or your parents? If he makes me happy, knows how to treat me properly and accepts me for the person i am..what more can one ask for? As for religion....im not a religious person so it makes no difference..we have had marriages in our family with muslims and christians...

[ShivaChrist]

Yeah... Krishna Christ just doesn't have the same ring to it... if you really look into religion, Krishna, like Christ, is the Incarnation of God on Earth. Hindu religion says that God has come down repeatedly to Earth in different guises (such as Shri Krishna during the great war of the Mahabharata/Bhagavad Gita), and that makes me wonder if the Buddha and Christ are both Avatars of God (an Avatar is God-consciousness 'descending' down to the mortal coil) ... showing that, in fact, all religions do in fact start on different Paths but end up on one great Road.

Don't ask me why I typed that out... lol. Now I'm to lazy to delete several minutes worth of typing. :)

[Arjuna]

my mum and dad waited 10 yrs just to get consent from my mums parents c'z she said she wudnt marry any1 else so if ur love is strong enuf religion wont be much of a indestructible barreir. that way my mum won both happiness and family's will.

[ShivaChrist]

You know, if I knew you in RL, Arjuna, I seriously think we'd be friends. You rock, and have a great attitude. Rock on, man :)

[bitchslashhater]

Yeah... Krishna Christ just doesn't have the same ring to it... if you really look into religion, Krishna, like Christ, is the Incarnation of God on Earth. Hindu religion says that God has come down repeatedly to Earth in different guises (such as Shri Krishna during the great war of the Mahabharata/Bhagavad Gita), and that makes me wonder if the Buddha and Christ are both Avatars of God (an Avatar is God-consciousness 'descending' down to the mortal coil) ... showing that, in fact, all religions do in fact start on different Paths but end up on one great Road.

Don't ask me why I typed that out... lol. Now I'm to lazy to delete several minutes worth of typing. :)


wha da fuck ***** is you playin you mean that our saviour Jesus Christ was one of em four armed freaks....you must be playin ***** cuz i go to church and we aint seen tha shyt befo....Praise the Lord!!!

[Aurovon]

My happiness means a lot to my family..and yes their happiness does mean the same to me...but I am going to live my own life...who has to deal with your husband...you or your parents? If he makes me happy, knows how to treat me properly and accepts me for the person i am..what more can one ask for? As for religion....im not a religious person so it makes no difference..we have had marriages in our family with muslims and christians...

im glad you think like that

[Aurovon]

First, no haters please. Serious discussion,.

I was reading over certain threads about marriage and marrying into one's religion, and I finally zoned in on why I have a problem with this... this is after I've seen my two Indian friends (who both like women other then Indian, yet get arranged marriages to Indians) and my Korean friend who is a Christian and only wants to marry another Korean Christian girl.

It seems to some people personality and good nature don't cut it if the religion isn't the same, and that just smacks of just not being right - here are two examples, and what I was thinking of while I was creating my latest dish for Shiva's Kitchen (hey, I had to plug it :P and it did come while I was working on it).

a) A man/woman could be perfect... great smile, great personality. He loves you to death, and would do anything for you (for the purposes of this thread, lets exclude converting to any other religion). He's smart, funny, and when you see him/her you're heart flutters and you can't help but smile inside. But he's not your religion so instantly you will not marry him.

or the next one.

b) A man/woman who is less then perfect... decent smile, decent personality. He likes you, and would do some stuff for you. He's pretty smart, funny at times, and sometimes when you see them you find yourself liking them. You're parents love him, though. Also, he's of the same religion as you so you consider him marriage material. After all, he's not that bad, and he has the same religion.

***

Now, I know some people will scream 'foul!' and say how they wouldn't marry an ordinary person just because they were the same religion but it happens all the time, everywhere in the world. People marry and have sucky lives. It is terrible, but its the truth.

For those who believe in 'soul mates' - who is to say your soul mate isn't Christian? Or white? Or asian? Or black, etc. For those who don't believe in soul mates this part of the question doesn't matter so you can skip this.

***

Anyway, please discuss seriously - if you found the perfect man/woman, with the only exception that he isn't of the same religion, why does it make sense to give him up for someone who isn't the perfect man/woman. Even if they are the same religion.

Anyway, food for thought.

I hope I typed that well enough, sometimes it forms in your head better then you end up typing, especially when you type the thread out during a 10 minute break as your meat is cooling down, and you have to get back to Shiva's Kitchen :)

/runs off to finish meal

i totally agree with u - marry who ya truly happy with and most and feel no guiltiness bout it - end of story

[Sweet Chilli]

To those who would give up their happiness for the sake of their family:

I reckon your family should love you enough to eventually accept your decision to marry into another religion...

A lot of people might not realise this, but no matter how fervently a family feels opposed to your relationship, it might be a good idea to take the chance anyway... you never know - they might surprise you by being able to accept it quicker than you ever anticipated...

I was shocked out of my mind when my mum (who feels very strongly about my marrying into the same religion) said that if I did end up with a non-Hindu, she would HATE it, but she would accept it and let us be together...

[PaniPuri]

i cant see myself sacrificing my culture for the sake of someone else, regardless of how great that other person is. i want someone i can relate to in terms of culture and upbringing, so that would be my reason to marry within my own. it depends on what u feel is most important to u, if u can cope with 2 cultures and find a balance, then thats great. but i just wouldnt want the headache that comes with it....then theres the whole issue as to how u raise ur children, which is tough enough on its own and when u add culture/religious issues i dont know how i would handle it.

but thats just my ideal, u never know what will happen.

[DesiStud1022]

There is no such thing as a soul mate.

[mirreyboy39]

a) It's stupid to marry someone you don't like.
b) It's stupid to expect your family to be cool with a person of a different religion or race
c) Thus, it's probably a good thing if you marry someone you like of your race or religion.

[DesiStud1022]

a) It's stupid to marry someone you don't like.
b) It's stupid to expect your family to be cool with a person of a different religion or race
c) Thus, it's probably a good thing if you marry someone you like of your race or religion.

a) Majority of Desi familes back in the day have done it - and it lasts.
b) Depends on the family - quite a few dont care about that - its more about how hot they are and how much money they make.
c) Agreed.

[mirreyboy39]

They do it but back in the day divorce was not an option (for women). Hardly still is (in desiland). I don't want to live my life trying to like someone for the sake of marriage. I would rather get married to someone I like and get along with (before marriage)

[VegasThug]

a) It's stupid to marry someone you don't like.
b) It's stupid to expect your family to be cool with a person of a different religion or race
c) Thus, it's probably a good thing if you marry someone you like of your race or religion.

word!

[DesiStud1022]

They do it but back in the day divorce was not an option (for women). Hardly still is (in desiland). I don't want to live my life trying to like someone for the sake of marriage. I would rather get married to someone I like and get along with (before marriage)

I think most of our parents and aunts n uncles are happy. It works.

[mirreyboy39]

Eh, they've been thru hell at times (I'm sure). Also, during arranged marriages, you have a lot of the families on both sides trying to make it work. During Like/Love marriages, people are like "oh, it was a love marriage, so we ain't doing shit". That's such a pathetic way to look at it. Also, you got one life to live, why not spend most of it with someone that you like. That person will become the most important person in your life.

[PaniPuri]

I think most of our parents and aunts n uncles are happy. It works.

it worked for them, in that era and in that environment. u cant say the same here.

[DesiStud1022]

Eh, they've been thru hell at times (I'm sure). Also, during arranged marriages, you have a lot of the families on both sides trying to make it work. During Like/Love marriages, people are like "oh, it was a love marriage, so we ain't doing shit". That's such a pathetic way to look at it. Also, you got one life to live, why not spend most of it with someone that you like. That person will become the most important person in your life.

Yes, they have been through hell - as have all couples.

Not all families oust someone who married out of love. Having support from family is nice, and it would happen either way.

Even in arranged marriages, that person will become the most important person in your life

PS - Please tell me the benefit of dating? Especially when you date someone for 3-4 years and then find out its not going to work? In addition, how about - while dating - after a year - you decide to go further than kissing a girl, and then you break up - would you date a girl who has been in that position (aka "used and abused")?

[PaniPuri]

PS - Please tell me the benefit of dating? Especially when you date someone for 3-4 years and then find out its not going to work? In addition, how about - while dating - after a year - you decide to go further than kissing a girl, and then you break up - would you date a girl who has been in that position (aka "used and abused")?

it's going to take u 3-4 years to realize that this wont work out? then u were in denial throughout your whole relationship. no relationship is ever smooth, but to the point it wont work out after such a long time? actually i'd rather that happen than to be stuck with some guy whom i have not dated before marriage and realize after 3 yrs of marriage that i cant stand him.
kissing? so u consider kissing negative in some sense, and u would brand off the person as being "used"? in that case, good luck finding a girl that hasnt been "used". majority of girls (india or here) have went further than just kissing.

[DesiStud1022]

PS - Please tell me the benefit of dating? Especially when you date someone for 3-4 years and then find out its not going to work? In addition, how about - while dating - after a year - you decide to go further than kissing a girl, and then you break up - would you date a girl who has been in that position (aka "used and abused")?

it's going to take u 3-4 years to realize that this wont work out? then u were in denial throughout your whole relationship. no relationship is ever smooth, but to the point it wont work out after such a long time? actually i'd rather that happen than to be stuck with some guy whom i have not dated before marriage and realize after 3 yrs of marriage that i cant stand him.
kissing? so u consider kissing negative in some sense, and u would brand off the person as being "used"? in that case, good luck finding a girl that hasnt been "used".

Madam, "further than kissing". PS - this is not my opinion - Im asking this in a hypothetical scenario.

And if you feel that 3 years is too long, then plase tell me what you feel is the upper limit of how long you can date before getting married?

[PaniPuri]

Madam, "further than kissing". PS - this is not my opinion - Im asking this in a hypothetical scenario.

And if you feel that 3 years is too long, then plase tell me what you feel is the upper limit of how long you can date before getting married?

Sir-sorry, missed that part, and thought u were giving ur opinion, i misunderstood.

i don't feel 3 years is too long to wait to get married, if that's what u mean. i feel that saying it is not working out after 3 years is ridiculous, because its a sufficient amount of time to see whether or not u see marriage in the future with the other person. and there is no upper limit to dating before getting married, as long as there is some sort of guarantee or agreement that the eventual goal is marriage.

[mirreyboy39]

I'm all for dating. I think its ridiculous to expect strangers to get married. But then i support two people in love or at least liking each other to get married. Dating is for fun basically. It's only serious when you are at a certain age. And Yah, i've dated someone who's had previous boyfriends. Not an issue.

[DesiStud1022]

Madam, "further than kissing". PS - this is not my opinion - Im asking this in a hypothetical scenario.

And if you feel that 3 years is too long, then plase tell me what you feel is the upper limit of how long you can date before getting married?

Sir-sorry, missed that part, and thought u were giving ur opinion, i was misunderstood.

i don't feel 3 years is too long to wait to get married, if that's what u mean. i feel that saying it is not working out after 3 years is ridiculous, because its a sufficient amount of time to see whether or not u see marriage in the future with the other person. and there is no upper limit to dating before getting married, as long as there is some sort of guarantee or agreement that the eventual goal is marriage.

I think it is safe to say that no one is going to sign a contract stating "I will marry you if we date".

If you feel that dating for 3 years is too long, then once again - please tell me what you feel is the maximum amount of time that one may date before defining "this is the one I am going to marry".

[PaniPuri]

I think it is safe to say that no one is going to sign a contract stating "I will marry you if we date".

If you feel that dating for 3 years is too long, then once again - please tell me what you feel is the maximum amount of time that one may date before defining "this is the one I am going to marry".

where did i say contract? guarantee-doesnt mean contract, just means there is an understanding or some kind of surity (eg. engagement?) that the eventual goal is marriage. like i said, as long as there is some sort of guarantee or agreement that the eventual goal is marriage--a time line is not needed. yes i said 3 yrs is too long of a time to realize things are not working out but not to date. there is a difference. i dare say, within at least 1-2 years into the relationship itself u can be able judge whether or not ur relationship can turn into marriage.

[DesiStud1022]

I think it is safe to say that no one is going to sign a contract stating "I will marry you if we date".

If you feel that dating for 3 years is too long, then once again - please tell me what you feel is the maximum amount of time that one may date before defining "this is the one I am going to marry".

where did i say contract? guarantee-doesnt mean contract, just means there is an understanding or some kind of surity (eg. engagement?) that the eventual goal is marriage. like i said, as long as there is some sort of guarantee or agreement that the eventual goal is marriage--a time line is not needed. yes i said 3 yrs is too long of a time to realize things are not working out but not to date. there is a difference. i dare say, within at least 1-2 years into the relationship itself u can be able judge whether or not ur relationship can turn into marriage.

Isnt that the point of dating?

So, its okay to date for 2 years and then break up - but not three?

What is the appropriate age to start dating?

[PaniPuri]

u seem to love debates, eh?

Isnt that the point of dating?
point of dating- to each his own, make it out to be whatever u want. that just opened up a whole new topic, and threw this one off track, i dont think u got what i was saying. what do u think the point of dating is?

So, its okay to date for 2 years and then break up - but not three?
never said it was okay, did i? just said, i feel its enough time to see whether or not ur relationship can turn into marriage. im just giving u an example, u dont need a timeline if u already know marriage is in the future of ur relationship (theres different reasons/forms of dating, dont get me started). it doesnt take u 3-4yrs (i feel like im repeating, now this is getting annoying) to figure out something isnt working, thats my only point, kapeesh?

What is the appropriate age to start dating?
whenever u feel is appropriate.

[DesiStud1022]

u seem to love debates, eh?

Isnt that the point of dating?
point of dating- to each his own, make it out to be whatever u want. that just opened up a whole new topic, and threw this one off track, i dont think u got what i was saying.1. what do u think the point of dating is?

So, its okay to date for 2 years and then break up - but not three?
never said it was okay, did i? just said, 2. i feel its enough time to see whether or not ur relationship can turn into marriage. im just giving u an example, u dont need a timeline if u already know marriage is in the future of ur relationship (theres different reasons/forms of dating, dont get me started). 3. it doesnt take u 3-4yrs (i feel like im repeating, now this is getting annoying) to figure out something isnt working, thats my only point, kapeesh?

What is the appropriate age to start dating?
whenever u feel is appropriate.

1. I think the point of dating is to find someone to marry.
2. Yes, but after 2 years, if dont think its going to work out and you break up, you implied that its okay. If you date for 3 years though - its just too long (in your opinion). I dont think thats fair.
3. You never answered the question though - the question is "How long does it take"?

[DesiStud1022]

seriously, if you are a guy, and you are worried about who you are gonna marry, go to san fran, because you are a fruitcake. shiva's 28, and he's at that point of his life where he could think about stuff like that, but most of the people here are in the age group 16-24, so unless you are married, or about to get married, stop being gay.


hahahahah


AGREED!


hahhahah

[ShivaChrist]

lol

Yeah, I think too much about it :)

I have a friend of the family, he is black. He fell in love with a white women. The woman's family were totally against their marriage, they were very racist and didn't like black people.

They still got married, and they had the most beautiful little daughter you can imagine. Her name was Raven, and she is so smart its crazy... talking at a young age, watching DVD's... she's 4 years old and acts older then her age... plus she knows she's cute, so you can see a troublemaker in the making.

But the point is, their love created one of the cutest little girls you can imagine - half white, half black.

When his wife's parents saw the baby... all their racism fell apart.... they all love the baby so much that now they accept him (the black father) into their family. It's an amazing thing what a child can do :)

[PaniPuri]

and im still on here posting and repeating myself, amazing...
i think i did answer ur question though. i guess the answer has 2 parts:
1. there is no upper limit to dating before getting married, as long as there is some sort of guarantee or agreement that the eventual goal is marriage.
2. within at least 1-2 years into the relationship itself u can be able judge whether or not ur relationship can turn into marriage. if u want u can take that as my limit u can say 1-2 will tell u how long to date before marriage.

[Arjuna]

You know, if I knew you in RL, Arjuna, I seriously think we'd be friends. You rock, and have a great attitude. Rock on, man :)

lol np bud! :) u have a good personality urself not many ppl are open minded and forward thinking in this world props up to u :thumleft:

[Arjuna]

mang, you like arjuna because he's a gora too :P

lmao dude stop being a politician c'z i aint particulary a gora! :lol:

[Arjuna]

mang, he chose you over me because you got some gora in you. :cry:

he knows im sexy too, but he had to be a gora and choose you :(

stupid goras :( :(


awww dont worry i lub u too! i choose u over him because u have desi in u and im very desi myself :lol:

[Arjuna]

sorry. im not gay.

but but but.. i think im gonna get emotional! :( screw u! Lol

[heartbrker]

sorry. im not gay.

but but but.. i think im gonna get emotional! :( screw u! Lol

your emotions died though...i thought! :shock:

[Arjuna]

sorry. im not gay.

but but but.. i think im gonna get emotional! :( screw u! Lol

your emotions died though...i thought! :shock:

yea but thedude unnessarily hurt me soo badd that it went rite thruu and i cant help it! :( :(

[ShivaChrist]

Hey, we'd be friends to, Dude. Don't worry. Just my butt is an Dude-free zone. Sorry.

mang, he chose you over me because you got some gora in you. :cry:

he knows im sexy too, but he had to be a gora and choose you :(

stupid goras :( :(

[royalbengal]

ur an atheist with no knowledge of religion so stfu..

religion is different from culture

[VegasThug]

ur an atheist with no knowledge of religion so stfu..

religion is different from culture

LOL

where have u beeen man?

[royalbengal]

ive been here and there. mostly busy..how r u man

[Arjuna]

ur an atheist with no knowledge of religion so stfu..

religion is different from culture

ur an ignornant fuckface that blabbers anything that comes to mind. shivachrist is actully one of the people who knows more about hinduism than some desis here.

[ishiqa]

First, no haters please. Serious discussion,.

I was reading over certain threads about marriage and marrying into one's religion, and I finally zoned in on why I have a problem with this... this is after I've seen my two Indian friends (who both like women other then Indian, yet get arranged marriages to Indians) and my Korean friend who is a Christian and only wants to marry another Korean Christian girl.

It seems to some people personality and good nature don't cut it if the religion isn't the same, and that just smacks of just not being right - here are two examples, and what I was thinking of while I was creating my latest dish for Shiva's Kitchen (hey, I had to plug it :P and it did come while I was working on it).

a) A man/woman could be perfect... great smile, great personality. He loves you to death, and would do anything for you (for the purposes of this thread, lets exclude converting to any other religion). He's smart, funny, and when you see him/her you're heart flutters and you can't help but smile inside. But he's not your religion so instantly you will not marry him.

or the next one.

b) A man/woman who is less then perfect... decent smile, decent personality. He likes you, and would do some stuff for you. He's pretty smart, funny at times, and sometimes when you see them you find yourself liking them. You're parents love him, though. Also, he's of the same religion as you so you consider him marriage material. After all, he's not that bad, and he has the same religion.

***

Now, I know some people will scream 'foul!' and say how they wouldn't marry an ordinary person just because they were the same religion but it happens all the time, everywhere in the world. People marry and have sucky lives. It is terrible, but its the truth.

For those who believe in 'soul mates' - who is to say your soul mate isn't Christian? Or white? Or asian? Or black, etc. For those who don't believe in soul mates this part of the question doesn't matter so you can skip this.

***

Anyway, please discuss seriously - if you found the perfect man/woman, with the only exception that he isn't of the same religion, why does it make sense to give him up for someone who isn't the perfect man/woman. Even if they are the same religion.

Anyway, food for thought.

I hope I typed that well enough, sometimes it forms in your head better then you end up typing, especially when you type the thread out during a 10 minute break as your meat is cooling down, and you have to get back to Shiva's Kitchen :)

/runs off to finish meal
i also dont believe in religious barriers. there really shouldn't ever be one. at the end of the day, u r just with that person. i think its really irrelevant what you practice religiously unless that is important to you. you're totally right about this shiva christ!

[angrynacho]

Yeah... Krishna Christ just doesn't have the same ring to it... if you really look into religion, Krishna, like Christ, is the Incarnation of God on Earth. Hindu religion says that God has come down repeatedly to Earth in different guises (such as Shri Krishna during the great war of the Mahabharata/Bhagavad Gita), and that makes me wonder if the Buddha and Christ are both Avatars of God (an Avatar is God-consciousness 'descending' down to the mortal coil) ... showing that, in fact, all religions do in fact start on different Paths but end up on one great Road.

Don't ask me why I typed that out... lol. Now I'm to lazy to delete several minutes worth of typing. :)

There isn't a 'the Buddha'. The most famous Buddha is the Gautama Buddha. Saying Buddhism is just another path to Godhead is just a regurgitation of an ancient attempt by Hindu kings to make sure Buddhism didn't take power over Hinduism. That and the methodical genocide of all Buddhists.

On a core level, this all-encompassing nature of Hinduism can't match. The whole conception of 'godhead' in Hinduism (being NOT a being that could think/a person/etc) is really different than, say, Christianity (Some character that could think and presumably has some sort of body and all that).

you know what i'm saying?

[ishiqa]

Yeah... Krishna Christ just doesn't have the same ring to it... if you really look into religion, Krishna, like Christ, is the Incarnation of God on Earth. Hindu religion says that God has come down repeatedly to Earth in different guises (such as Shri Krishna during the great war of the Mahabharata/Bhagavad Gita), and that makes me wonder if the Buddha and Christ are both Avatars of God (an Avatar is God-consciousness 'descending' down to the mortal coil) ... showing that, in fact, all religions do in fact start on different Paths but end up on one great Road.

Don't ask me why I typed that out... lol. Now I'm to lazy to delete several minutes worth of typing. :)

There isn't a 'the Buddha'. The most famous Buddha is the Gautama Buddha. Saying Buddhism is just another path to Godhead is just a regurgitation of an ancient attempt by Hindu kings to make sure Buddhism didn't take power over Hinduism. That and the methodical genocide of all Buddhists.

On a core level, this all-encompassing nature of Hinduism can't match. The whole conception of 'godhead' in Hinduism (being NOT a being that could think/a person/etc) is really different than, say, Christianity (Some character that could think and presumably has some sort of body and all that).

you know what i'm saying?
well it did come from hinduism, didnt it? gautama buddha was a brahmin hindu is what i was always taught.

[methodman535]

Yeah... Krishna Christ just doesn't have the same ring to it... if you really look into religion, Krishna, like Christ, is the Incarnation of God on Earth. Hindu religion says that God has come down repeatedly to Earth in different guises (such as Shri Krishna during the great war of the Mahabharata/Bhagavad Gita), and that makes me wonder if the Buddha and Christ are both Avatars of God (an Avatar is God-consciousness 'descending' down to the mortal coil) ... showing that, in fact, all religions do in fact start on different Paths but end up on one great Road.

Don't ask me why I typed that out... lol. Now I'm to lazy to delete several minutes worth of typing. :)

There isn't a 'the Buddha'. The most famous Buddha is the Gautama Buddha. Saying Buddhism is just another path to Godhead is just a regurgitation of an ancient attempt by Hindu kings to make sure Buddhism didn't take power over Hinduism. That and the methodical genocide of all Buddhists.

On a core level, this all-encompassing nature of Hinduism can't match. The whole conception of 'godhead' in Hinduism (being NOT a being that could think/a person/etc) is really different than, say, Christianity (Some character that could think and presumably has some sort of body and all that).

you know what i'm saying?
well it did come from hinduism, didnt it? gautama buddha was a brahmin hindu is what i was always taught.

From what I understood he didnt like the caste system and wanted to start his own thing which he thought was better and more humane.

[angrynacho]

well it did come from hinduism, didnt it? gautama buddha was a brahmin hindu is what i was always taught.

He _was_. The whole point of his whole story is that he wanted enlightnement all his life. So he tried EVERYTHING until he 'perfected' each thing. He practiced Hinduism insanely, found that didn't give him enlightenment. Practiced asceticism, and found that he just became boney and messed up. After repeating these processes, he gave up on religion and all that, so he lived a life of pleasure and all that. That didn't work either.

Then he meditated and realized a lot of these extra things in religion do not matter along with other basic Buddhist concepts. THAT is when he got enlightenment (by following a 'middle path')

[ShivaChrist]

Hrm, I think so. Maybe that's why I'm closer to Hinduism then Christianity - I have always felt God is more of a 'force' then a being. Unless that's not what you're talking about - if its not, let me know. I can see the differnces, but I think at a basic level, it is still different interpretations of the same thing.

There isn't a 'the Buddha'. The most famous Buddha is the Gautama Buddha. Saying Buddhism is just another path to Godhead is just a regurgitation of an ancient attempt by Hindu kings to make sure Buddhism didn't take power over Hinduism. That and the methodical genocide of all Buddhists.

On a core level, this all-encompassing nature of Hinduism can't match. The whole conception of 'godhead' in Hinduism (being NOT a being that could think/a person/etc) is really different than, say, Christianity (Some character that could think and presumably has some sort of body and all that).

you know what i'm saying?

[ishiqa]

well it did come from hinduism, didnt it? gautama buddha was a brahmin hindu is what i was always taught.

He _was_. The whole point of his whole story is that he wanted enlightnement all his life. So he tried EVERYTHING until he 'perfected' each thing. He practiced Hinduism insanely, found that didn't give him enlightenment. Practiced asceticism, and found that he just became boney and messed up. After repeating these processes, he gave up on religion and all that, so he lived a life of pleasure and all that. That didn't work either.

Then he meditated and realized a lot of these extra things in religion do not matter along with other basic Buddhist concepts. THAT is when he got enlightenment (by following a 'middle path')
thank u, sir. i am satidfied with ur explanation.

[ishiqa]

Hrm, I think so. Maybe that's why I'm closer to Hinduism then Christianity - I have always felt God is more of a 'force' then a being. Unless that's not what you're talking about - if its not, let me know. I can see the differnces, but I think at a basic level, it is still different interpretations of the same thing.

There isn't a 'the Buddha'. The most famous Buddha is the Gautama Buddha. Saying Buddhism is just another path to Godhead is just a regurgitation of an ancient attempt by Hindu kings to make sure Buddhism didn't take power over Hinduism. That and the methodical genocide of all Buddhists.

On a core level, this all-encompassing nature of Hinduism can't match. The whole conception of 'godhead' in Hinduism (being NOT a being that could think/a person/etc) is really different than, say, Christianity (Some character that could think and presumably has some sort of body and all that).

you know what i'm saying?
i think jesus is the real thing tho. i think he was the messiah.

[angrynacho]

Hrm, I think so. Maybe that's why I'm closer to Hinduism then Christianity - I have always felt God is more of a 'force' then a being. Unless that's not what you're talking about - if its not, let me know. I can see the differnces, but I think at a basic level, it is still different interpretations of the same thing.

On a super super basic level. I used to be attracted to Hinduism for the same reason; it is 'encompassing'.

But if you're going to be real on a deeper level about religion, you can't really solve these conflicts. That is kind of why I tend to like Buddhist ideology. A lot of these things simply do NOT matter compared to deeper issues that are occuring in your life that you're living now and it is a waste of time to philosophize over it.

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

why hasn't this been moved to the serious discussion section??? kinda like how yall are soo quick to move things to useless junk but something about religion and marriage seems pretty serious to me i dunno...then again im the blondie of the site so who cares what i think bc i don't have a mind :)

[ishiqa]

I'm all for dating. I think its ridiculous to expect strangers to get married. But then i support two people in love or at least liking each other to get married. Dating is for fun basically. It's only serious when you are at a certain age. And Yah, i've dated someone who's had previous boyfriends. Not an issue.
thank u. i agree completely. i think its terrible to make a woman feel guilty for any previous relationships she might have had. men are never judged on these things.

[ShivaChrist]

^^

Kiss.

Oh wait wrong thread... but I don't take that back!

... damn. Someone ruined my joke /cry

[DesiStud1022]

*edit*

Im gonna try and be nicer

[ShivaChrist]

I think that if we ever want to get anywhere as a race and a people (reach the stars, open the very heavens up, etc.) we have to break through the mental blocks (yes, they are mental blocks that people set up themselves) to decide that we all can pray, that we're not going to H-E double hockey sticks if we disagree, and that we will become united under the banner of man (and woman heh).

I know, lofty goals. But never impossible. Just close :)



On a super super basic level. I used to be attracted to Hinduism for the same reason; it is 'encompassing'.

But if you're going to be real on a deeper level about religion, you can't really solve these conflicts. That is kind of why I tend to like Buddhist ideology. A lot of these things simply do NOT matter compared to deeper issues that are occuring in your life that you're living now and it is a waste of time to philosophize over it.

[ishiqa]

I think that if we ever want to get anywhere as a race and a people (reach the stars, open the very heavens up, etc.) we have to break through the mental blocks (yes, they are mental blocks that people set up themselves) to decide that we all can pray, that we're not going to H-E double hockey sticks if we disagree, and that we will become united under the banner of man (and woman heh).

I know, lofty goals. But never impossible. Just close :)



On a super super basic level. I used to be attracted to Hinduism for the same reason; it is 'encompassing'.

But if you're going to be real on a deeper level about religion, you can't really solve these conflicts. That is kind of why I tend to like Buddhist ideology. A lot of these things simply do NOT matter compared to deeper issues that are occuring in your life that you're living now and it is a waste of time to philosophize over it.
shiva i really wish more asian guys had a brain like u.

[Scarface11208]

First, no haters please. Serious discussion,.

I was reading over certain threads about marriage and marrying into one's religion, and I finally zoned in on why I have a problem with this... this is after I've seen my two Indian friends (who both like women other then Indian, yet get arranged marriages to Indians) and my Korean friend who is a Christian and only wants to marry another Korean Christian girl.

It seems to some people personality and good nature don't cut it if the religion isn't the same, and that just smacks of just not being right - here are two examples, and what I was thinking of while I was creating my latest dish for Shiva's Kitchen (hey, I had to plug it :P and it did come while I was working on it).

a) A man/woman could be perfect... great smile, great personality. He loves you to death, and would do anything for you (for the purposes of this thread, lets exclude converting to any other religion). He's smart, funny, and when you see him/her you're heart flutters and you can't help but smile inside. But he's not your religion so instantly you will not marry him.

or the next one.

b) A man/woman who is less then perfect... decent smile, decent personality. He likes you, and would do some stuff for you. He's pretty smart, funny at times, and sometimes when you see them you find yourself liking them. You're parents love him, though. Also, he's of the same religion as you so you consider him marriage material. After all, he's not that bad, and he has the same religion.

***

Now, I know some people will scream 'foul!' and say how they wouldn't marry an ordinary person just because they were the same religion but it happens all the time, everywhere in the world. People marry and have sucky lives. It is terrible, but its the truth.

For those who believe in 'soul mates' - who is to say your soul mate isn't Christian? Or white? Or asian? Or black, etc. For those who don't believe in soul mates this part of the question doesn't matter so you can skip this.

***

Anyway, please discuss seriously - if you found the perfect man/woman, with the only exception that he isn't of the same religion, why does it make sense to give him up for someone who isn't the perfect man/woman. Even if they are the same religion.

Anyway, food for thought.

I hope I typed that well enough, sometimes it forms in your head better then you end up typing, especially when you type the thread out during a 10 minute break as your meat is cooling down, and you have to get back to Shiva's Kitchen :)

/runs off to finish meal

Shiva, you and I think along the same exact line as far as religion goes. Religion in my opinion is just a man-made thing and yet another false excuse to divide the human race even more. Don't get me wrong, I still believe in God and that Christianity is the righteous path, but that does not mean that I will look down, ridicule or insult another person's faith. Yes, religious faiths conflict with other, and yes people of different races may want things to be in a set way according to how they learned things to be. But fact of the matter is, as long as the two people are mature adults, as long as they can think by themselves and as long as they truly love and respect each other, they can compromise fairly with each other, without neither person losing his or her own stand. Remember, love is not selfish but it is kind and forgiving. You'd be amazed at how many hindus, muslims and christians (and desis, I'm talking about) marry in Trinidad and they live together with each other until they die. It surely is enough to make the blood of an older generation person from India/Pakistan/etc. boil, but oh well, that's their problem. I could care less.

[angrynacho]

Disagreement does not entail a 'mental block' or something that is going to prevent people from getting anywhere or violence or whatever.

What I'm saying is that Hinduism isn't as 'encompassing' as it may seem to be when you compare religions more indepth. It presents conflicts. This is on a purely philosophical level--it has nothing to do with getting anywhere as a human race.

The ideal solution to this, of course, is to ignore it because these differences don't really play any constructive purpose in what is real right now.

I think that if we ever want to get anywhere as a race and a people (reach the stars, open the very heavens up, etc.) we have to break through the mental blocks (yes, they are mental blocks that people set up themselves) to decide that we all can pray, that we're not going to H-E double hockey sticks if we disagree, and that we will become united under the banner of man (and woman heh).

I know, lofty goals. But never impossible. Just close :)



On a super super basic level. I used to be attracted to Hinduism for the same reason; it is 'encompassing'.

But if you're going to be real on a deeper level about religion, you can't really solve these conflicts. That is kind of why I tend to like Buddhist ideology. A lot of these things simply do NOT matter compared to deeper issues that are occuring in your life that you're living now and it is a waste of time to philosophize over it.

[ShivaChrist]

That's just how I do it. I guess I'm just naturally cool.

are you guys trying to be e-cool by quoting people at the bottom of your posts rather than at the top?

[angrynacho]

are you guys trying to be e-cool by quoting people at the bottom of your posts rather than at the top?

nah, i actually really don't like that. And I noticed it.

This time, i was just too lazy to cut out the garbage.

[ThreeFiddy]

Quoting at the bottom is illogical and stupid. You are not your quoting style.

Oh and this whole "religion shouldn't matter" thing sounds like a pipe dream.

Question: who here would go out with a chic that was a practicing satanist?

[ShivaChrist]

It is not illogical. I just read what you said. I don't want to read it again. I want to read the reply, not a re-quote.

Quoting at the bottom is illogical and stupid. You are not your quoting style.

Oh and this whole "religion shouldn't matter" thing sounds like a pipe dream.

Question: who here would go out with a chic that was a practicing satanist?

[ThreeFiddy]

It is not illogical. I just read what you said. I don't want to read it again. I want to read the reply, not a re-quote.

Quoting at the bottom is illogical and stupid. You are not your quoting style.

Oh and this whole "religion shouldn't matter" thing sounds like a pipe dream.

Question: who here would go out with a chic that was a practicing satanist?

And if my response to your post is 5 pages after said post? Then what? So yes, it is illogical. Including what you're replying to before replying is always logical because the person reading it has a clear idea of what you're replying to rather than thinking "wtf is he talking about? God damn white people".

Now, answer my question.

[ShivaChrist]

http://forums.ratedesi.com/viewtopic.php?t=3154

It is not illogical. I just read what you said. I don't want to read it again. I want to read the reply, not a re-quote.

Quoting at the bottom is illogical and stupid. You are not your quoting style.

Oh and this whole "religion shouldn't matter" thing sounds like a pipe dream.

Question: who here would go out with a chic that was a practicing satanist?

And if my response to your post is 5 pages after said post? Then what? So yes, it is illogical. Including what you're replying to before replying is always logical because the person reading it has a clear idea of what you're replying to rather than thinking "wtf is he talking about? God damn white people".

Now, answer my question.

[royalbengal]

ur an atheist with no knowledge of religion so stfu..

religion is different from culture

ur an ignornant fuckface that blabbers anything that comes to mind. shivachrist is actully one of the people who knows more about hinduism than some desis here.

yea i 'blabber' whatever comes to mind...
but im still gonna stand by what i said.. he has NO FUCKING CLUE about religions..
yeah he probably studied few books on hinduism..but that dont mean shit...
especially he has no clue about Islam.. some of his comments on Islam are worse than and makes less sense than jerry falwell

[ShivaChrist]

/pats bengal on head. Good boy, you keep telling yourself that.

ur an atheist with no knowledge of religion so stfu..

religion is different from culture

ur an ignornant fuckface that blabbers anything that comes to mind. shivachrist is actully one of the people who knows more about hinduism than some desis here.

yea i 'blabber' whatever comes to mind...
but im still gonna stand by what i said.. he has NO FUCKING CLUE about religions..
yeah he probably studied few books on hinduism..but that dont mean shit...
especially he has no clue about Islam.. some of his comments on Islam are worse than and makes less sense than jerry falwell

[angrynacho]

Oh and this whole "religion shouldn't matter" thing sounds like a pipe dream.

Wait, is "religion shouldn't matter" my stand? I'm confused. Heh.

[ThreeFiddy]

Oh and this whole "religion shouldn't matter" thing sounds like a pipe dream.

Wait, is "religion shouldn't matter" my stand? I'm confused. Heh.

Shiva's stand 8) I was addressing Shiva in that post.

[ShivaChrist]

Back to the meat of the post - I will marry who I fall in love with, and I hope that she will love me enough to do the same no matter her religion :)

[ThreeFiddy]

Back to the meat of the post - I will marry who I fall in love with, and I hope that she will love me enough to do the same no matter her religion :)

So you're saying that you'd marry a practicing satanist?

[GoddessOfLove720]

I think its better 2 find some1 in your own religion cuz u havta think abt da kids. If u n ur spouse r frm different religions, den ur kids r gonna b confused as anything n they mite b atheists. Im not sayin im super religious, but I do believe in my God enuf 2 want ma kids 2 have da same religion as me. Well, if I were 2 marry sum1 out of my religion, we’re gonna havta work sumfin out den.

[pinkglitt3r]

I think its better 2 find some1 in your own religion cuz u havta think abt da kids. If u n ur spouse r frm different religions, den ur kids r gonna b confused as anything n they mite b atheists. Im not sayin im super religious, but I do believe in my God enuf 2 want ma kids 2 have da same religion as me. Well, if I were 2 marry sum1 out of my religion, we’re gonna havta work sumfin out den.

..isnt your boyfriend hindu?

[royalbengal]

i still dont get why religion dont matter? do u guys just 'love' a chick or a guy cuz of retarded shallow reasons? you have to be compatible in thoughts and religion is a way of life and basis for a lot of their thinkings.. you cant ignore it.. unless you are an atheist then who gives a fuck..

[Aurovon]

Why I don't like religion or marriage...

ha ha!

[the big d]

i am sri-lankan and my parents are from opposite sides of the war. at 1st there were family issues, but now everyone loves everyone. my parents are also one of the happiest couples i know so i dont think religion or anything like that should prevent a couple from marrying...

[DJDaNGeR]

i still dont get why religion dont matter? do u guys just 'love' a chick or a guy cuz of retarded shallow reasons? you have to be compatible in thoughts and religion is a way of life and basis for a lot of their thinkings.. you cant ignore it.. unless you are an atheist then who gives a fuck..

depends what u consider "retarded and shallow". Some people might argue that marrying on the basis of religion is "retarded and shallow".

[Khusum]

im gonna marry a black baptist man. i'm SO over the desi thang. its time for sum excitement!

[Aurovon]

im gonna marry a black baptist man. i'm SO over the desi thang. its time for sum excitement!


have you ever tried a big black dick? the drink ofcourse.

[DJDaNGeR]

I think its better 2 find some1 in your own religion cuz u havta think abt da kids. If u n ur spouse r frm different religions, den ur kids r gonna b confused as anything n they mite b atheists. Im not sayin im super religious, but I do believe in my God enuf 2 want ma kids 2 have da same religion as me. Well, if I were 2 marry sum1 out of my religion, we’re gonna havta work sumfin out den.
there is another way to think about it. think bout it in another way. u are a certain religion because ur parents were of that religion (most likely). So u were taught that religion and u grew up and were bought up with the ways of that religion. So if you think about it logically, u didnt "choose" ur religion, u didnt have a choice. What you are saying is that you dont wanna give ur kids a choice either. But dont worry ur not alone. SOME RELIGIONS believe that they are the best and its the moral duty of the parents to confer the same religion on their kids (and also as many people as possible). According to their belief, this grants them heaven. so they are ready to curb the process of free thought in their offsprings. We choose what we buy, what we eat, What we wanna study (our major), but do we get a chance to choose what we believe? although u might think yes, its not totally true. most people really dont.

[ignitedfury86]

hmm think about this for a second.

If you are religious, when you are dating around seriously, and you are looking for marriage material, or a companion, you have a filter of your religion. You wouldnt let someone of a different religion get intimate with you because it might lead to strong feelings, hence you dont want to get married outside your religion. This leads to stress.

Who do you love more? Allah/Baghwan/God/whoever you worship, or that person.
IT SHOULD be a no brainer.

Why print out a map of a place you arent going.
That is what you are pretty much doing if you get heavily involved with someone of a different religion if you dont want to marry outside your religion.


Pretty common sense people, dont let it get that far if these are your ideals

[jassika]

wadanghsh

[the big d]

I think its better 2 find some1 in your own religion cuz u havta think abt da kids. If u n ur spouse r frm different religions, den ur kids r gonna b confused as anything n they mite b atheists. Im not sayin im super religious, but I do believe in my God enuf 2 want ma kids 2 have da same religion as me. Well, if I were 2 marry sum1 out of my religion, we’re gonna havta work sumfin out den.

my dad is hindu and my mom is buddhist and while growing up i went mostly to hindu temples but as i got older we started to go to more buddhist temples. my parents never really stressed either religion on me and let me make up my own mind, buddhist if ur curios. i never felt confused but i did feel slightly disconected from both religions while growing up. def need to explore on my own which i think leads tolarence of more then 1 school of thought.

[DJDaNGeR]

my dad is hindu and my mom is buddhist and while growing up i went mostly to hindu temples but as i got older we started to go to more buddhist temples. my parents never really stressed either religion on me and let me make up my own mind, buddhist if ur curios. i never felt confused but i did feel slightly disconected from both religions while growing up. def need to explore on my own which i think leads tolarence of more then 1 school of thought.
thats the point. if no religion was particularly forced on you (althought subtly and sub-consciously) by your parents, it encourages free thought on ur part and thus you can choose what is right for you by learning the philosophies behind different faiths.

[007]

what religion r u christ