Pakistanis being considered Middle Eastern by some ignorant idiots

[hybridized]

I'm not sure if a thread like this has been made before, but there's something that irks me quite a bit.

A lot of naive people falsely assume that Pakistan is a Middle Eastern country and that Pakistanis are Middle Eastern.

Ask them why and they say because it is a Muslim country. I then ask,"So by that logic, does that make Indonesia, Kosovo, or Albania Middle Eastern countries then?", and then they keep their mouths shut afterwards. What does Pakistan have in common with countries like Lebanon or Iran? Hell, it's like saying Cyprus is Middle Eastern, even though we all know it's a European country first and foremost.

I'm Pakistani, and I classify myself as a South Asian, not as a Middle Easterner. My roots lay in the Indian subcontinent, not in Iran or the Arabian Peninsula or the Levant, and the same goes for many in Pakistan as well. Unfortunately, there are some Pakistanis who got duped into assuming that they are Middle Eastern which is as bad as Lebanese Maronites implying that they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in Nice or Cannes.

Feel free to comment.

[DasJa]

Pakistani's are free to use the "I'm half persian" excuse :chick:

[Monica152]

Hey you find ignorant people everywhere.
People always over look geography and the importance to know about countries other than where they're living.
Don't let them get to you, damn you seem pissed.........
dew dew dew

[hybridized]

Pakistani's are free to use the "I'm half persian" excuse :chick:

Persians :rofl: Way to use a Hellenized term to describe themselves. Inferiority complex methinks.

[hybridized]

Hey you find ignorant people everywhere.
People always over look geography and the importance to know about countries other than where they're living.
Don't let them get to you, damn you seem pissed.........
dew dew dew

Why should Pakistan be lumped with other Middle Eastern countries? There are dumbfucks who think Pakistan is an Arab country. :ugh:

[nayeemx33]

Pakistan is part of the middle-east!!!

[Romana]

Pakistani's are free to use the "I'm half persian" excuse :chick:

OMG soooo true..like outta no where they would be like.. ermm half paki/persian.. :no:

[hybridized]

Pakistan is a middle-eastern country!!!

How the fuck is Pakistan a Middle Eastern country?

[Monica152]

Why should Pakistan be lumped with other Middle Eastern countries? There are dumbfucks who think Pakistan is an Arab country. :ugh:

They're the dumb fucks, why are you letting them get to you.

[hybridized]

OMG soooo true..like outta no where they would be like.. ermm half paki/persian.. :no:

Do these self-described "half Paki/half Persian" girls act as promiscuous as their Los Angeles Iranian counterparts?

[Romana]

How the fuck is Pakistan a Middle Eastern country?

Calm down n00bie.. want some paani? :chick:

[hybridized]

They're the dumb fucks, why are you letting them get to you.

Because I don't like to see Pakistan lumped in with the rest of the Middle East, but some Pakistanis see no shame in discarding their roots to adopt superficial ones emanating from the borders west of them.

[hybridized]

Calm down n00bie.. want some paani? :chick:

Nehi I want some Miranda instead.

[Romana]

Do these self-described "half Paki/half Persian" girls act as promiscuous as their Los Angeles Iranian counterparts?

Well of course they don't .. they would love to be in their shoes though.. you know how it is!

My dad's mum was 100% afgani yet I still tell people I am pakistani .. :rolleyes:

[fattygirl]

dude, correct them and move one.

like if someone screws up my name i just let it go, who really cares

[hybridized]

Well of course they don't .. they would love to be in their shoes though.. you know how it is!

I'm sorry, I wouldn't know how to put myself into the shoes of Iranian girls from Beverly Hills or San Fernando Valley.

My dad's mum was 100% afgani yet I still tell people I am pakistani .. :rolleyes:

Well my parents hail from Uttar Pradesh but I am Pakistani since I was born there (though I have not disowned by Indian origins).

[nayeemx33]

dude, correct them and move one.

like if someone screws up my name i just let it go, who really cares

shut up arab

[sunny333333]

I'm not sure if a thread like this has been made before, but there's something that irks me quite a bit.

A lot of naive people falsely assume that Pakistan is a Middle Eastern country and that Pakistanis are Middle Eastern.

Ask them why and they say because it is a Muslim country. I then ask,"So by that logic, does that make Indonesia, Kosovo, or Albania Middle Eastern countries then?", and then they keep their mouths shut afterwards. What does Pakistan have in common with countries like Lebanon or Iran? Hell, it's like saying Cyprus is Middle Eastern, even though we all know it's a European country first and foremost.

I'm Pakistani, and I classify myself as a South Asian, not as a Middle Easterner. My roots lay in the Indian subcontinent, not in Iran or the Arabian Peninsula or the Levant, and the same goes for many in Pakistan as well. Unfortunately, there are some Pakistanis who got duped into assuming that they are Middle Eastern which is as bad as Lebanese Maronites implying that they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in Nice or Cannes.

Feel free to comment.
:werd: stupid motherfuckers

[Chronos]

ppl only mistake me for an arab when I'm wearing a hijab. :chick:

[hybridized]

FOB.

gross.

i bet you put oil in your hair and are looking at arranged marriages.

FOB? I was raised in the U.S.

Oil? No not me. I use a flat iron and TIGI products.

Arranged marriages? ***** please, I'm looking at marrying a southern European gal (preferably Maltese or Greek).

[Romana]

FOB? I was raised in the U.S.

Oil? No not me. I use a flat iron and TIGI products.

Arranged marriages? ***** please, I'm looking at marrying a southern European gal (preferably Maltese or Greek).

Racist :cop:

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

Pakistani's are free to use the "I'm half persian" excuse :chick:

can't be worse than using a half hindu-half sikh excuse

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

FOB? I was raised in the U.S.

Oil? No not me. I use a flat iron and TIGI products.

Arranged marriages? ***** please, I'm looking at marrying a southern European gal (preferably Maltese or Greek).

lol southern european gal just stfu

[hybridized]

Racist :cop:

How is it racist to prefer other ethnicities?

[hybridized]

can't be worse than using a half hindu-half sikh excuse

How often do you hear that? Not much.

[Space-Cowboy]

can't be worse than using a half hindu-half sikh excuse

Excuse to what? That didn't make any sense.

[DasJa]

can't be worse than using a half hindu-half sikh excuse
I was born to break rulz :(

[Space-Cowboy]

I was born to break rulz :(

:rofl:

[Romana]

How is it racist to prefer other ethnicities?

This is rate desi.. don't get me butthurt like this !

[hybridized]

This is rate desi.. don't get me butthurt like this !

Asking a question for further clarification does not constitute getting "butthurt" sweetheart.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

Excuse to what? That didn't make any sense.

well his comment didn't make any sense either.If he knows history at all he would know a large portion of pakis who are balochis,pakthuns have their lineage back to iran therefore some pakis would refer themselves as half irani or w.e.I know it is overdone just to make them look better but still some are related to iran.As for my comment don't worry abt i was just taking th piss out of him but still it intrigues me that how can one follow two beliefs at the same time?.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

I was born to break rulz :(

lol sure sure i guess i wasn't the only chosen one:(

[Irreligious Left]

I'm Pakistani, and I classify myself as a South Asian, not as a Middle Easterner. My roots lay in the Indian subcontinent, not in Iran or the Arabian Peninsula or the Levant, and the same goes for many in Pakistan as well. Unfortunately, there are some Pakistanis who got duped into assuming that they are Middle Eastern which is as bad as Lebanese Maronites implying that they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in Nice or Cannes.

Feel free to comment.

Good for you. I'll +rep you for this.

[Space-Cowboy]

well his comment didn't make any sense either.If he knows history at all he would know a large portion of pakis who are balochis,pakthuns have their lineage back to iran therefore some pakis would refer themselves as half irani or w.e.I know it is overdone just to make them look better but still some are related to iran.As for my comment don't worry abt i was just taking th piss out of him but still it intrigues me that how can one follow two beliefs at the same time?.

It's quite easy to follow two beliefs at the same time when a) they aren't practiced in a contradictory manner b) the traditions are pluralistic c) the spiritual philosophy is such that the "belief" isn't nearly as important as the moral fibre of the man.

As for Persian, there are tribal divides through out Iran as well. It would make more sense for someone to say "I'm Pakhthun" rather than "I'm Persian"

[jumpn jza]

Geographic distinctions such as "middle east", "orient" and "asian" are imagined demarcations which are neither correct or incorrect.

[hybridized]

lol at a greek girl marrying a paki. you do realize....arm everybody hates paki's don't you?



but I do give you reputation points for using a flat iron, because well, most desi's think its 'gay" and end up having shitty frizzy hair. flat irons should be used by all.

You're such a tool. Just because your bitchass got turned down by every other girl for having a small dick doesn't mean they all hate "Pakis".

You might as well bat for the other team then.

[sax2k6]

Pakistani's are free to use the "I'm half persian" excuse :chick:

its obvious when sum aren't but obvious when sum r............. a lot of people claim that status if they r from the "rhai" race/caste (maybe wrong spelling) these were people who migrated from Iran to the area of what is now Pakistan hundreds of years ago n always married within the same caste. now barriers r broken n castes marry whoever (majority) so sum people find out n start claiming their 'persianness' - hmmmm i dont like that.... its to make themself feel more exotic........ any1 who refers to themself as persian n not iranian is out to improve their immage!

[sax2k6]

FOB? I was raised in the U.S.

Oil? No not me. I use a flat iron and TIGI products.

Arranged marriages? ***** please, I'm looking at marrying a southern European gal (preferably Maltese or Greek).

N UR A GUY?????? :no:

[sax2k6]

well his comment didn't make any sense either.If he knows history at all he would know a large portion of pakis who are balochis,pakthuns have their lineage back to iran therefore some pakis would refer themselves as half irani or w.e.I know it is overdone just to make them look better but still some are related to iran.As for my comment don't worry abt i was just taking th piss out of him but still it intrigues me that how can one follow two beliefs at the same time?.

exactly!! sum people try to engraciate themselves by it..........

[sp0ileD_teen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Middle_East

[sax2k6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Middle_East

akistan (Urdu: پاکستان listen (help·info)), officially the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is a country located in South Asia and converging with Central Asia and the Middle East.[6][7] It has a 1,046 kilometer (650 mile) coastline along the Arabian Sea in the south, and is bordered by Afghanistan and Iran in the west, India in the east and China in the far northeast.[8] woah!!! av been proved wrong i guess

[Space-Cowboy]

You're such a tool. Just because your bitchass got turned down by every other girl for having a small dick doesn't mean they all hate "Pakis".

You might as well bat for the other team then.

banshod is a girl.

[Clueless_uk]

dude, correct them and move one.

like if someone screws up my name i just let it go, who really cares

The amounts of times I have to spell my name over the Phone...I just give them my initials now.

[jumpn jza]

Look guys...these geographic demarcations are completely arbitrary if not completely imagined. They are based on the percieved homogeneity/characterizations of foriegn people and so "the middle east" is ONLY an identifier from an external cultural/geographic perspective...

[Rcade]

im pashtun and my roots lie in afghanistan....just ask uncle bin

[Presence]

Pakistani's are free to use the "I'm half persian" excuse :chick:

The urdu language has a lot of persian in it, alot of pakistani's do look like persians. There is some truth in that.

[desi_uk]

I'm not sure if a thread like this has been made before, but there's something that irks me quite a bit.

A lot of naive people falsely assume that Pakistan is a Middle Eastern country and that Pakistanis are Middle Eastern.

Ask them why and they say because it is a Muslim country. I then ask,"So by that logic, does that make Indonesia, Kosovo, or Albania Middle Eastern countries then?", and then they keep their mouths shut afterwards. What does Pakistan have in common with countries like Lebanon or Iran? Hell, it's like saying Cyprus is Middle Eastern, even though we all know it's a European country first and foremost.

I'm Pakistani, and I classify myself as a South Asian, not as a Middle Easterner. My roots lay in the Indian subcontinent, not in Iran or the Arabian Peninsula or the Levant, and the same goes for many in Pakistan as well. Unfortunately, there are some Pakistanis who got duped into assuming that they are Middle Eastern which is as bad as Lebanese Maronites implying that they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in Nice or Cannes.

Feel free to comment.

We share many similarities with Arabs like our national language urdu has had some influence from Arabia within the written format. Since Pakistan is a muslim country alot of the culture that has been inherited from certain Arabian countries has been passed to us through Islam.

However we are not Arabs we are Pakistanis which lays in the subcontinent

[madam_jade]

I'm asking my parents for a "Mak-e Yoursef Persian kit" for my brthday ths year. I'm going to be the hottest girl on RD.

SUCK ON THAT POOJASXY.

[di vinci]

i am greek

[di vinci]

We share many similarities with Arabs like our national language urdu has had some influence from Arabia within the written format. Since Pakistan is a muslim country alot of the culture that has been inherited from certain Arabian countries has been passed to us through Islam.

However we are not Arabs we are Pakistanis which lays in the subcontinent


90% of our culture is indian the only similarities we share is our faith. even urdu sounds more similar to hindi then to arab. its only written in a similar format

[nayeemx33]

I'm asking my parents for a "Mak-e Yoursef Persian kit" for my brthday ths year. I'm going to be the hottest girl on RD.

SUCK ON THAT POOJASXY.

stfu paki

[desi_uk]

90% of our culture is indian the only similarities we share is our faith. even urdu sounds more similar to hindi then to arab. its only written in a similar format

Yes i agree i dont know about the percentage though but we have influences from both sides

[madam_jade]

stfu paki

Too bad YOUR birthday isn't coming up. :hug:

[di vinci]

Yes i agree i dont know about the percentage though but we have influences from both sides

when i watch bollywood flicks or documenteries, shows. most of the way the act and socialized in their communities is very similar to pakiastani. the way we dress etc

[sax2k6]

90% of our culture is indian the only similarities we share is our faith. even urdu sounds more similar to hindi then to arab. its only written in a similar format

ye but urdu is pakistans language......... india has many..... ie if u watch indian films....... they speak urdu...not hindi!! this is to attract a wider audience...

"Urdu (pronunciation (help·info), اردو, trans. Urdū, historically spelled Ordu) is an Indo-European language of the Indo-Iranian branch. It developed under Persian and to a lesser degree Arabic and Turkic influence on apabhramshas during the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire (1526–1858 AD) in mostly Central Asia and parts ofSouth Asia.[2]

Urdu is a standardised register of the standard dialect Khariboli. The grammatical description in this article concerns this standard Urdū.

Standard Urdu has approximately the twentieth largest population of native speakers, among all languages. It is the national language of Pakistan as well as one of the 23 official languages of India.

Urdu is often contrasted with Hindi, a standardised form of Hindustani. Of the many differences between the two are that Standard Urdu is conventionally written in Nastaliq calligraphy style of the Perso-Arabic script and draws vocabulary from Persian and Arabic, while Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws vocabulary entirely from Sanskrit, Urdu and English heavily. Despite overwhelming evidence, a few linguists nonetheless consider Urdu and Hindi to be two standardized forms of the same language;[3] however, most linguistic scholars classify them separately due to sociolinguistic and basic differences.[4]
Contents"

[di vinci]

I'm asking my parents for a "Mak-e Yoursef Persian kit" for my brthday ths year. I'm going to be the hottest girl on RD.

SUCK ON THAT POOJASXY.
:-|:-|

[nayeemx33]

Too bad YOUR birthday isn't coming up. :hug:

June 10, biaatch

[desi_uk]

when i watch bollywood flicks or documenteries, shows. most of the way the act and socialized in their communities is very similar to pakiastani. the way we dress etc

Yeah well at one time we were all one so in essence we are the same people and share the culture

[di vinci]

ye but urdu is pakistans language......... india has many..... ie if u watch indian films....... they speak urdu...not hindi!! this is to attract a wider audience...

"Urdu (pronunciation (help·info), اردو, trans. Urdū, historically spelled Ordu) is an Indo-European language of the Indo-Iranian branch. It developed under Persian and to a lesser degree Arabic and Turkic influence on apabhramshas during the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire (1526–1858 AD) in mostly Central Asia and parts ofSouth Asia.[2]

Urdu is a standardised register of the standard dialect Khariboli. The grammatical description in this article concerns this standard Urdū.

Standard Urdu has approximately the twentieth largest population of native speakers, among all languages. It is the national language of Pakistan as well as one of the 23 official languages of India.

Urdu is often contrasted with Hindi, a standardised form of Hindustani. Of the many differences between the two are that Standard Urdu is conventionally written in Nastaliq calligraphy style of the Perso-Arabic script and draws vocabulary from Persian and Arabic, while Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws vocabulary entirely from Sanskrit, Urdu and English heavily. Despite overwhelming evidence, a few linguists nonetheless consider Urdu and Hindi to be two standardized forms of the same language;[3] however, most linguistic scholars classify them separately due to sociolinguistic and basic differences.[4]
Contents"


can u give me anymore info :bash:

[nayeemx33]

ye but urdu is pakistans language......... india has many..... ie if u watch indian films....... they speak urdu...not hindi!! this is to attract a wider audience...

or urdu has always been spoken in india :shock:

[sax2k6]

or urdu has always been spoken in india :shock:

no HINDI had been spoken in india......... its bit differ to urdu....... ill find sumthing to bak this up

[desi_uk]

ye but urdu is pakistans language......... india has many..... ie if u watch indian films....... they speak urdu...not hindi!! this is to attract a wider audience...

"Urdu (pronunciation (help·info), اردو, trans. Urdū, historically spelled Ordu) is an Indo-European language of the Indo-Iranian branch. It developed under Persian and to a lesser degree Arabic and Turkic influence on apabhramshas during the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire (1526–1858 AD) in mostly Central Asia and parts ofSouth Asia.[2]

Urdu is a standardised register of the standard dialect Khariboli. The grammatical description in this article concerns this standard Urdū.

Standard Urdu has approximately the twentieth largest population of native speakers, among all languages. It is the national language of Pakistan as well as one of the 23 official languages of India.

Urdu is often contrasted with Hindi, a standardised form of Hindustani. Of the many differences between the two are that Standard Urdu is conventionally written in Nastaliq calligraphy style of the Perso-Arabic script and draws vocabulary from Persian and Arabic, while Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws vocabulary entirely from Sanskrit, Urdu and English heavily. Despite overwhelming evidence, a few linguists nonetheless consider Urdu and Hindi to be two standardized forms of the same language;[3] however, most linguistic scholars classify them separately due to sociolinguistic and basic differences.[4]
Contents"

However if Pakistan did adopt Arabic as their national language Pakistan would have been an Arabic country.

[di vinci]

However if Pakistan did adopt Arabic as their national language Pakistan would have been an Arabic country.


that would never have worked

[madam_jade]

June 10, biaatch

TOMORROW stupidhead.

[sax2k6]

can u give me anymore info :bash:

"Because of Urdu's similarity to Hindi, speakers of the two languages may understand one another, if Urdu speakers refrain from using specialized vocabulary. Indeed, Hindi speaking linguists sometimes count them as being part of the same language diasystem. However, Urdu and Hindi are socio-politically entirely different, and people who self-describe as being speakers of Urdu question their being counted as native speakers of Hindi.

n Pakistan, Urdu is spoken and understood by a majority of urban dwellers in such cities as Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi/Islamabad, Abbottabad, Faisalabad, Hyderabad, Multan, Peshawar, Gujranwala, Sialkot, Sukkur and Sargodha. Urdu is used as the official language in all provinces of Pakistan. It is also taught as a compulsory language up to high school in both the English and Urdu medium school systems. This has produced millions of Urdu speakers whose mother tongue is one of the regional languages of Pakistan such as Punjabi, Hindku, Sindhi, Pashto, Kashmiri, Balochi, Siraiki, and Brahui. Urdu is the lingua franca of Pakistan and is absorbing many words from regional languages of Pakistan. The regional languages are also being influenced by Urdu vocabulary. There are millions of Pakistanis whose mother tongue is not Urdu but since they have studied in Urdu medium schools they can read and write Urdu but can only speak their mother tongue. Most of the nearly five million Afghan refugees of different ethnic origins (such as Pathan, Tajik, Uzbek, Hazarvi, and Turkmen) who stayed in Pakistan for over twenty-five years have also become fluent in Urdu and completely understand Hindi, a problem mainly attributed the acceptance in Afghan culture of Hindi movies. A very large number of newspapers are published in Urdu in Pakistan, including the Daily Jang, Nawa-i-Waqt, Millat, among many others (see List of newspapers in Pakistan).


In India, Urdu is spoken in places where there are large Muslim minorities or cities which were bases for Muslim Empires in the past. These include parts of Uttar Pradesh (namely Lucknow, Bareilly), Delhi, Bihar, Kashmir, Bhopal, Hyderabad, Areas of Former State of Hyderabad (Marathwada, Hyderabad-Karnataka, Telangana), Bangalore, Kolkata, Mysore, Patna, Ajmer, and Ahmedabad.[6] Some Indian Muslim schools teach Urdu as a first language and have their own syllabus and exams. Indian madrasahs also teach Arabic as well as Urdu. India has more than 29 daily Urdu newspapers. Newspapers such as Sahara Urdu Daily Salar, Hindustan Express, Daily Pasban, Siasat Daily, Munsif Daily and Inqilab are published and distributed in Bangalore, Mysore, Hyderabad, and Mumbai (see List of newspapers in India).

Urdu is a member of the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which is in turn a branch of the Indo-Iranian group (which comprises the Indo-Aryan and the Iranian branches), which itself is a member of the Indo-European linguistic family"

ITS A BIT TO READ BUT ITS USEFULL TRUST!

[desi_uk]

that would never have worked

It would have in time but it would have took a long time

[sax2k6]

The part of the Indian film industry based in Mumbai is often called Bollywood (بالی وڈ). The language used in Bollywood movies uses a vocabulary that could be understood by Hindustani and Hindi speakers alike. The film industry wants to reach the largest possible audience, and it cannot do that if the vocabulary is too one-sidedly Persianized. This rule is broken only for song lyrics, which use elevated, poetic language. Often, this means using poetic Urdu words of Arabic and Persian origin. A few films, like Jodha Akbar, Umrao Jaan, Pakeezah, Heer Raanjha and Mughal-e-azam, have used vocabulary that even comes close to resembling chaste Urdu, as they depict places and times when Urdu could have been used.[27].

[di vinci]

sax i was kidding

[sax2k6]

sax i was kidding

oh.................. feels embarrassed n runs out of thread:(

[di vinci]

oh.................. feels embarrassed n runs out of thread:(

:grouphug:

[hybridized]

banshod is a girl.

No way of knowing. :wavey:

I stand corrected nonetheless.

[Irreligious Left]

The urdu language has a lot of persian in it, alot of pakistani's do look like persians. There is some truth in that.

Urdu's grammar is identical to Hindi, which is a Sanskritic language. A lot of Pakistanis look like Indians. There is more truth in that.

[dutsqg]

Urdu's grammar is identical to Hindi, which is a Sanskritic language. A lot of Pakistanis look like Indians. There is more truth in that.

A lot of people look Indians desi or not desi. Its not like India has one look.

[hybridized]

What's with people quoting Wikipedia, and even worse, not bothering to cite it?

[dutsqg]

well his comment didn't make any sense either.If he knows history at all he would know a large portion of pakis who are balochis,pakthuns have their lineage back to iran therefore some pakis would refer themselves as half irani or w.e.I know it is overdone just to make them look better but still some are related to iran.As for my comment don't worry abt i was just taking th piss out of him but still it intrigues me that how can one follow two beliefs at the same time?.

I don't really consider Iranis pashtuns and balochis so much middle eastern. Thats just a european political term for that area. Iranis and the lot are more central asian than anything else.

[dutsqg]

What's with people quoting Wikipedia, and even worse, not bothering to cite it?

No idea. Wikipedia is horrible. Anyone can write whatever they please on it.

[hybridized]

Iranian full-blooded Persians hail from Pars. Pashtuns, on the other hand, hail from southern Afghanistan.

So how are they the same?

[dutsqg]

Iranian full-blooded Persians hail from Pars. Pashtuns, on the other hand, hail from southern Afghanistan.

So how are they the same?

They are all of Iranic stock. Either way both folks are very Central Asian rather than Middle Eastern. You can't really clump a country like Iran with a bunch of arab countries.

[hybridized]

They are all of Iranic stock. Either way both folks are very Central Asian rather than Middle Eastern. You can't really clump a country like Iran with a bunch of arab countries.

What does that make Kurds then?

[dutsqg]

What does that make Kurds then?

Same thing for the most part. I think we can both agree that people on the borders and fringes of nations tend to mix with multiple regions.But places like Eastern Iran and Afghanland are far closer to Central Asia than the Middle East (aka arab countries)

[hybridized]

But the Iranian province of Pars is nowhere near Central Asia.

[dutsqg]

But the Iranian province of Pars is nowhere near Central Asia.

Really doesn't matter. Their language,culture,food,etc have far more affinity with Central Asia than the rest of the Middle East. Their language is not even from the same family of languages as the rest of the Middle Eastern languages (Arabic and Hebrew primarily)

[hybridized]

The rest of Central Asia (sans Tajikistan) is Turkic.

[dutsqg]

The rest of Central Asia (sans Tajikistan) is Turkic.

Tajiks speak their own dialect of Farsi which is indo european. Iran has a far more turkic influence than anything else.

[dutsqg]

Anyways, this topic can come off as very subjective if you don't know enough about it. But do some reading and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[hybridized]

We share many similarities with Arabs like our national language urdu has had some influence from Arabia within the written format. Since Pakistan is a muslim country alot of the culture that has been inherited from certain Arabian countries has been passed to us through Islam.

However we are not Arabs we are Pakistanis which lays in the subcontinent

I'm sorry but Urdu does not have similiarities with Arabic, nor are we influenced from Bedouin culture.

[dutsqg]

I'm sorry but Urdu does not have similiarities with Arabic, nor are we influenced from Bedouin culture.

Urdu has more affinity with Punjabi and Hindi. The only influences it draws are from the regional languages of Pashtu,Punjabi,and quite a bit from Dari. People,specifically Pakistanis, tend to over exaggerate the arabic influence on urdu

[hybridized]

N UR A GUY?????? :no:

Yes I'm a guy.

[hybridized]

Urdu has more affinity with Punjabi and Hindi. The only influences it draws are from the regional languages of Pashtu,Punjabi,and quite a bit from Dari. People,specifically Pakistanis, tend to over exaggerate the arabic influence on urdu

That's because many Pakistanis (especially ones that migrated to the Gulf) have an obsession with being Arab. Many of them will do whatever it takes to make themselves appear to be Arab. Those Pakistanis are a sad lot, when they feel the need to discard their culture to appear to be more Arab.

They're as bad as whitewashed Pakistanis who view Pakistani culture to be backward. :rolleyes:

[dutsqg]

That's because many Pakistanis (especially ones that migrated to the Gulf) have an obsession with being Arab. Many of them will do whatever it takes to make themselves appear to be Arab. Those Pakistanis are a sad lot, when they feel the need to discard their culture to appear to be more Arab.

They're as bad as whitewashed Pakistanis who view Pakistani culture to be backward. :rolleyes:

For sure. They'll grow out of it eventually when they realize what they really are. Other than that, the Hindustani culture is much more appealing to me than any other culture. I don't know why you would want to disassociate yourself from it.
This is how a lot of desis are, Pakis have an obsession of coming off as arab or persian and north indians have an obsession with coming off as italian and greek. Silly people, India is in Asia not Europe or the Middle East.

[Rcade]

is there a clear definition of the middle east? i thought ppl used that to refer to the arabic speaking nations ... iran wouldn't be included in that

[hybridized]

Or Lebanese thinking they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in the French Riviera.

[hybridized]

is there a clear definition of the middle east? i thought ppl used that to refer to the arab speaking nations ... iran wouldn't be included in that

I guess another term would be the Near East.

[dutsqg]

Or Lebanese thinking they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in the French Riviera.

Yeah people in Lebanon kiss French ass. Little do they know that Frenchies don't really give a fuck about Arabs. Lebanese Christians try their best to appear more euro than Arab, its fun to watch that happen ,especially when I laugh in their faces.

[dutsqg]

is there a clear definition of the middle east? i thought ppl used that to refer to the arabic speaking nations ... iran wouldn't be included in that

Ya thats how I see things. Middle east is just a convenient way for the west to refer to muslim nations.

[shamera]

I'm not sure if a thread like this has been made before, but there's something that irks me quite a bit.

A lot of naive people falsely assume that Pakistan is a Middle Eastern country and that Pakistanis are Middle Eastern.

Ask them why and they say because it is a Muslim country. I then ask,"So by that logic, does that make Indonesia, Kosovo, or Albania Middle Eastern countries then?", and then they keep their mouths shut afterwards. What does Pakistan have in common with countries like Lebanon or Iran? Hell, it's like saying Cyprus is Middle Eastern, even though we all know it's a European country first and foremost.

I'm Pakistani, and I classify myself as a South Asian, not as a Middle Easterner. My roots lay in the Indian subcontinent, not in Iran or the Arabian Peninsula or the Levant, and the same goes for many in Pakistan as well. Unfortunately, there are some Pakistanis who got duped into assuming that they are Middle Eastern which is as bad as Lebanese Maronites implying that they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in Nice or Cannes.

Feel free to comment.

You sound intelligent. I like.

[Rcade]

we try to be arabs/persians,,,they try to be europeans/white....this is an inferiority complex...it's part of human nature .... let it be

[dutsqg]

we try to be arabs/persians,,,they try to be europeans/white....this is an inferiority complex...it's part of human nature .... let it be

Yeah it all goes around like that.
Its funny.

[hybridized]

Yeah people in Lebanon kiss French ass. Little do they know that Frenchies don't really give a fuck about Arabs. Lebanese Christians try their best to appear more euro than Arab, its fun to watch that happen ,especially when I laugh in their faces.

Not all Lebanese Christians think they are what I described above.

Greek Orthodox Lebanese admit that they are indigenous Arabs (because they are).

Lebanese Maronites are in denial about their Arab roots. They keep thinking they are Phoenician lolol

[Romana]

:hyper: Hi everyone... :wave:

[Space-Cowboy]

Yeah people in Lebanon kiss French ass. Little do they know that Frenchies don't really give a fuck about Arabs. Lebanese Christians try their best to appear more euro than Arab, its fun to watch that happen ,especially when I laugh in their faces.

How do you 'appear Euro'? And it's understandable anyway, many of them feel alienated by their Muslim brethren in Lebanon [thus moving away].


Many of the Lebanese I know look Hispanic. Nothing wrong with that.

[dutsqg]

Not all Lebanese Christians think they are what I described above.

Greek Orthodox Lebanese admit that they are indigenous Arabs (because they are).

Lebanese Maronites are in denial about their Arab roots. They keep thinking they are Phoenician lolol

A Lebanese calling himself a phonecian is like me calling myself an aryan
what a joke

[hybridized]

How do you 'appear Euro'? And it's understandable anyway, many of them feel alienated by their Muslim brethren in Lebanon [thus moving away].

That's not exactly true. They feel strong ties with their Muslim brethen in Lebanon.

Many of the Lebanese I know look Hispanic. Nothing wrong with that.

Yet they again, think they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in the French Riviera.

[dutsqg]

How do you 'appear Euro'? And it's understandable anyway, many of them feel alienated by their Muslim brethren in Lebanon [thus moving away].


Many of the Lebanese I know look Hispanic. Nothing wrong with that.

They try to come off as Euro.

Just like some desis try their best to come off as something else.

[Romana]

:hyper: Hi everyone... :wave:

:rolleyes:

[dutsqg]

:rolleyes:

okay fine

hi

[VegasThug]

:rolleyes:


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

hello middle eastern queen!

[hybridized]

A Lebanese calling himself a phonecian is like me calling myself an aryan
what a joke

Or an Italian calling themselves a Roman.

Some food for thought for Lebos:

Many Maronites struggle with their identity as Arabs and as Lebanese. Some believe that they are not ethnic Arabs at all, despite their early origins in Syria and before that the Arabian peninsula. The Maronite liturgy is said both in Arabic and Syriac, a dialect of ancient Aramaic and the spoken language of Jesus Christ.

Source (http://macdonald.hartsem.edu/articles_hajjar.htm)

[Romana]

okay fine

hi


Okay fine hi 2 u .. :hand: :p

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

hello middle eastern queen!

:wave: Hi I am persian .. I am not fat I am just wearing 2 tons of foundation on my face... that's why I weigh more

[dutsqg]

Or an Italian calling themselves a Roman.

Some food for thought for Lebos:



Source (http://macdonald.hartsem.edu/articles_hajjar.htm)

Sometimes they need people like us to remind them where there roots lie.

[hybridized]

I know I don't look Persian/Iranian, so why bother claiming to be one?

I look more Indian than Persian/Iranian lol

[VegasThug]

are pashtuns middle eastern?

[dutsqg]

I know I don't look Persian, so why bother claiming to be one?

I look more Indian than Persian lol

Can't really look Persian anymore. Look up pictures of Iran. That place is just as diverse as Hindustan. Desis are just ignorant and just assume anyone lighter skinned than them to be arab or iranian.

[VegasThug]

Okay fine hi 2 u .. :hand: :p



:wave: Hi I am persian .. I am not fat I am just wearing 2 tons of foundation on my face... that's why I weigh more

afghani..yeah?

[Space-Cowboy]

That's not exactly true. They feel strong ties with their Muslim brethen in Lebanon.

Used to. Not as much anymore.

http://www.lebanese-forces.org/media/articles/malek/forgotten.htm

The Forgotten Christians of Lebanon

Once free and equal, Lebanon's Christians now struggle against tremendous odds in a country dominated by Syrian politics and an increasingly Islamized culture.

Habib C. Malik

Before he was exiled from the Soviet Union, the great writer and dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was outspokenly critical of Patriarch Pimen and the Russian Orthodox ecclesiastical hierarchy whenever he sensed they were cozying up to the Communist authorities. After going into forced exile, however, Solzhenitsyn fell silent on this issue. When reminded of his earlier criticisms and urged to continue in that vein, he replied firmly and without hesitation that he no longer felt he enjoyed the moral right to speak out against the perceived errant behavior of the Russian Orthodox Church because he was no longer sharing directly in the daily historical-existential trials and tribulations of his people and his church living under Soviet rule. In other words, criticizing from a distance can be a dangerous business and also risks becoming unethical.

I mention Solzhenitsyn's studied caution only to suggest that a similar prudence is required when evaluating the behavior of Christians native to the Middle East, especially those of Lebanon—an ancient and beleaguered Christian community that proudly traces its roots in an uninterrupted line all the way back to the time when Saint Paul set sail from Byblos on his first missionary voyage to the West.

Middle Eastern Christianity, which includes the Christian communities of Lebanon, has had to contend over the past 1,300 years with living in close proximity to, and often under, Islam, the religion that early on became dominant in the region. Over the centuries, Western interest in, and subsequent incursions into, the Middle East have taken on many forms—a lot of them proving disadvantageous to the Christians of the region. The eventual defeat of the Crusades, for example, precipitated a violent Islamic backlash against the indigenous Christians, particularly those like Lebanon's Maronites, who had cooperated with and supported the crusading hordes.1 Later Western commercial and imperial expansion into Ottoman domains seemed at first to resuscitate the sagging fortunes of local Christian communities, only to have them witness a return of persecutions once the inevitable Western retreats occurred. Rivalries among the European powers in the Levant and in Egypt often enlisted the native Christians on the side of one and against the other. This too had its deleterious effects, culminating in the 1861 massacres of Christians in Mount Lebanon and Damascus that left a lasting scar on intercommunal relations, and aggravating the repeated oppression of Egypt's Copts to this day.

I am not suggesting that all Western involvement in the affairs of the Near and Middle East over the centuries has been detrimental to the region's Christians. Far from it. However, the fact remains that the West's interaction with the Middle East was always designed to serve primarily the West's interests. This includes the Protestant missionary activities of the nineteenth century, which, after failing to make noticeable headway among Muslims, turned their energies to converting the local Christians to the creeds of Europe's great Reformers. Resulting tensions and mutual misunderstandings between the native churches and the newly transplanted Protestants linger to the present.

Meanwhile, the reputed tolerance of Islam, particularly for the "People of the Book," as Jews and Christians are designated, created in reality the dhimmi system of second-class servitude, which, under the guise of toleration, was actually a system of subtle repression and dehumanization leading to gradual liquidation.

Repeatedly the advice offered to Middle Eastern Christians by Westerners—the sincere among them as well as the self-serving—would counsel restraint, circumlocution, and a self-effacing posture vis-ˆ-vis the dominant Muslim majority; in other words, a resignation to the perpetuation of dhimmi status in the name of mere survival and not rocking the boat. The one community in the region that has persistently resisted traveling down this demeaning road is the Maronite Christian community of Lebanon, along with assorted portions of Lebanon's other Christian communities—the Orthodox, Greek Catholic, and even Protestant. This has earned them a number of by now familiar adjectives in the specialized as well as the popular literature, the most benign of which has been "obstinate."

In pretechnological times, the rugged and inaccessible geography of Lebanon's mountains acted as a natural refuge for persecuted minority communities fleeing oppression. For this reason an accurate, if colorful, description of Lebanon's recurring crises in religious turmoil, including the most recent agony of the past 20 years, is to refer to them as chapters in the ongoing drama of freedom under siege. This time around, however, the devastating technologies of modern warfare, coupled with the array of hostile neighbors and other foreign meddlers, broke down the natural protective barriers and rendered the siege far more destructive. The full brunt of the prolonged assault that commenced in 1975 was borne by the Christians, who also found they had to contend with a series of negative stereotypes about them, generated and popularized mainly by a host of Western journalists. These distorting stereotypes were quickly internalized by many in the West and did irreparable damage to the image of a community that was fighting for its life.

The first stereotype would be that of a ruthless minority out to do everything it can to preserve its political and economic privileges by keeping the Muslim majority deprived and in a subordinate state. The truth is that pre-1975 Lebanon, despite its many blemishes and imperfections, enjoyed a degree of equitable power sharing among its constituent communities that was unique in the Middle East—a liberal atmosphere that has all but vanished today following the silencing of the guns and the lowering of the Syrian curtain of occupation.

A second stereotype holds that Christians in Lebanon are affluent out of proportion to their numbers, and that they enjoy prosperity at the expense of the Muslim majority. This simply ignores the poor rural Christian population. Moreover, regarding relative poverty, many among Lebanon's poorer Shiite Muslims practice polygamy—for which the Christians cannot be blamed—thereby increasing the squalor index by adding large numbers of children to the ranks of the wretched. Today we see that the Christian middle class has been hit the hardest, and any significant money in the country is not in the hands of the impoverished Christians, but the monopoly of a Muslim-dominated plutocracy led by megabillionaire Prime Minister Hariri. In other words, the very tangible "trickle down" effect that characterized Lebanon's economy before 1975 has simply evaporated.


Yet they again, think they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in the French Riviera.

If they think they are, then they are. They aren't trying to divide Lebanon, they just have a different culture rooted from religious differences.

They try to come off as Euro.

Just like some desis try their best to come off as something else.


I have yet to see a Lebanese woman lie about her Lebanese roots.

[dutsqg]

are pashtuns middle eastern?

Some consider themselves central asian,some consider themselves south asians, a few consider themselves middle eastern

[hybridized]

Can't really look Persian anymore. Look up pictures of Iran. That place is just as diverse as Hindustan. Desis are just ignorant and just assume anyone lighter skinned than them to be arab or iranian.

And a lot of the light skinned Iranians are also Azeri lol

[Rcade]

How do you 'appear Euro'? And it's understandable anyway, many of them feel alienated by their Muslim brethren in Lebanon [thus moving away].


Many of the Lebanese I know look Hispanic. Nothing wrong with that.

like shakirah :Pelvic2:

the lebanese i know though, all three of them , luk like ur average white guy except with darker features

[dutsqg]

Used to. Not as much anymore.

http://www.lebanese-forces.org/media/articles/malek/forgotten.htm





If they think they are, then they are. They aren't trying to divide Lebanon, they just have a different culture rooted from religious differences.




I have yet to see a Lebanese woman lie about her Lebanese roots.

Theres a difference between lebanese roots and arab roots.

I have met lebanese women that insist they are not Arab, but rather Phonecian. If you buy that sort of crap than that would make you Aryan my friend.

[dutsqg]

And a lot of the light skinned Iranians are also Azeri lol

Yup.

[hybridized]

Used to. Not as much anymore.

http://www.lebanese-forces.org/media/articles/malek/forgotten.htm





If they think they are, then they are. They aren't trying to divide Lebanon, they just have a different culture rooted from religious differences.




I have yet to see a Lebanese woman lie about her Lebanese roots.

You had to link me to garbage from a fascist group as Lebanese Forces? Christ, that's as bad as me linking you to Shiv Sena and RSS garbage.

Pick your sources wisely.

And no, LF and their Phalangist wing are doing whatever they can to divide Lebanon. They are the ones in utter denial.

[Rcade]

are pashtuns middle eastern?

afghani descent

[VegasThug]

ok. nice thread and u said some really good stuff

question is.. how r persians better than desis??

[Rcade]

i dont even know,,,they speak pushto so im thinking afghani

[Space-Cowboy]

Theres a difference between lebanese roots and arab roots.

I have met lebanese women that insist they are not Arab, but rather Phonecian. If you buy that sort of crap than that would make you Aryan my friend.

The Lebanese women I've talked to simply refer to themselves as "Lebanese". I have not seen them describe themselves as Arab OR Phonecian even once.

[dutsqg]

ok. nice thread and u said some really stuff

question is.. how r persians better than desis??

They aren't. There country is a bigger shit hole than Pakistan.

[Rcade]

ok. nice thread and u said some really stuff

question is.. how r persians better than desis??

the chicks are hotter

[hybridized]

ok. nice thread and u said some really stuff

question is.. how r persians better than desis??

Because they think they have a superior and richer culture.

They need to go on this site (http://www.activistchat.com) and see for themselves.

[dutsqg]

The Lebanese women I've talked to simply refer to themselves as "Lebanese". I have not seen them describe themselves as Arab OR Phonecian even once.

You clearly haven't been to Lebanon.

[hybridized]

They aren't. There country is a bigger shit hole than Pakistan.

Iran is actually much better off than Pakistan, which includes a higher female literacy rate.

[dutsqg]

Iran is actually much better off than Pakistan, which includes a higher female literacy rate.

Well its a bigger shit hole than India :)

[hybridized]

The Lebanese women I've talked to simply refer to themselves as "Lebanese". I have not seen them describe themselves as Arab OR Phonecian even once.

Your views of Lebos are shaped by fucktards who support the LF.

[Romana]

afghani..yeah?

My dad's mum was afgani ...

and my family has only been in Pakistan for the past 2 generations.. they are

actually from Iran/Jordan/Afganistan .... :rolleyes:

[dutsqg]

Your views of Lebos are shaped by fucktards who support the LF.

Word

[dutsqg]

My dad's mum was afgani ...

and my family has only been in Pakistan for the past 2 generations.. they are

actually from Iran/Jordan/Afganistan .... :rolleyes:

Where did Jordan come from? Thats so random

[Space-Cowboy]

You had to link me to garbage from a fascist group as Lebanese Forces? Christ, that's as bad as me linking you to Shiv Sena and RSS garbage.

Pick your sources wisely.

And no, LF and their Phalangist wing are doing whatever they can to divide Lebanon. They are the ones in utter denial.

Link me to a source which show LF to be conclusively divisive and fascist. I can link you to tons with respect to RSS, et. al...but then again, they're quite infamous; ..I want to see what the goal of LF is.

[Space-Cowboy]

Your views of Lebos are shaped by fucktards who support the LF.

Not one person I've talked to has ever mentioned "LF". In fact, they are quite patriotic.

[Romana]

Where did Jordan come from? Thats so random

Half of the people from my mum's side are from Jordan and most of them still live there..

[hybridized]

Link me to a source which show LF to be conclusively divisive and fascist. I can link you to tons with respect to RSS, et. al...but then again, they're quite infamous; ..I want to see what the goal of LF is.

Look up what they did during the Lebanese Civil War.

[dutsqg]

Half of the people from my mum's side are from Jordan and most of them still live there..

When did they move to Pakistan? And more importantly, why did they move to Pakistan? Whats the rest of your mom's side?

[Space-Cowboy]

You clearly haven't been to Lebanon.

No, I haven't. I've talked to Lebanese citizens of Canada.

[Space-Cowboy]

Look up what they did during the Lebanese Civil War.

link me

[dutsqg]

No, I haven't. I've talked to Lebanese citizens of Canada.

Eggzactly.

[hybridized]

link me

Google Bachir Gemayel.

[VegasThug]

My dad's mum was afgani ...

and my family has only been in Pakistan for the past 2 generations.. they are

actually from Iran/Jordan/Afganistan .... :rolleyes:

christian..yeah?

[Space-Cowboy]

Google Bachir Gemayel.

This is in Arabic, translate it for me:

http://www.bachirgemayel.org/

[hybridized]

This is in Arabic, translate it for me:

http://www.bachirgemayel.org/

For fuck's sake, I'm not Arab nor do I even claim to understand Arabic. :sarb:

[VegasThug]

This is in Arabic, translate it for me:

http://www.bachirgemayel.org/

man thats some tough arabi

is he a martyr?

[dutsqg]

This is in Arabic, translate it for me:

http://www.bachirgemayel.org/

He's not Arab thus he probably can't translate it for you.

[Romana]

When did they move to Pakistan? And more importantly, why did they move to Pakistan? Whats the rest of your mom's side?

The moved to India in the 1930s.. Obviously than the whole thing with the partition happened..

I have no idea why they moved.. but since it was just two generations back .. it's more clear where they are all orginally from .. My mom's grandmother was from Jordan therefore most of her side of the family is from there.. the rest are from afganistan..

But the generation after my mum.. like most of us were born in Hong Kong.. but none of us have chinese blood..

[hybridized]

man thats some tough arabi

is he a martyr?

To his supporters, he's a "shaheed".

He was assasinated by SSNP gunmen, which culminated into the Sabra and Shatila massacres in 1982.

So that should help clue anyone in on their fascist underpinnings.

[nayeemx33]

This is in Arabic, translate it for me:

http://www.bachirgemayel.org/

http://translate.google.com/translate_t

[hybridized]

The moved to India in the 1930s.. Obviously than the whole thing with the partition happened..

I have no idea why they moved.. but since it was just two generations back .. it's more clear where they are all orginally from .. My mom's grandmother was from Jordan therefore most of her side of the family is from there.. the rest are from afganistan..

But the generation after my mum.. like most of us were born in Hong Kong.. but none of us have chinese blood..

Are they Circassian?

[Space-Cowboy]

Alright, back to Wiki it is:

Sheikh Bachir Gemayel (10 November 1947 – September 14, 1982) (also known as Sheikh Bachir Gemayel; first name also spelled Bashir and surname also spelled Joomuyyeel) (Arabic: بشير الجميّل) was a Lebanese military commander, politician, and president-elect.

He was born in Beirut but his hometown was Bikfaya in the Matn District east of Beirut, the youngest of his six siblings, he was the son of Pierre Gemayel, founder of the influential Lebanese Kataeb Party, also known as the Phalangist party, a right-wing nationalist organization that, although officially secular, was supported mostly by Maronite Christians.

In 1962, he joined the Kataeb party.

In 1970 he was briefly kidnapped by Palestinian militants.

In 1971, he was appointed inspector in the para-military branch of the Kataeb party, the Kataeb Regulatory Forces.

In 1976, upon the death of William Hawi, he became president of the Kataeb Military Council and the head of the unified command of the Lebanese forces, a coalition of the Christian militias of the Kataeb Party (created and organized by William Hawi), National Liberal Party, the Tanzim and the Guardians of the Cedars. He also took over the "P.G." squad (which stood for "Pierre Gemayel" initially and later became the "B.G." in latin an acronym for "Bachir Gemayel" since in the Arabic language both "P" and "B" are translated using the same Arabic letter), to face PLO aggression against Lebanese Christians. In 1978 he successfully led the "Hundred Days War" against Syrian forces to liberate Christian areas from the presence of Syrian troops. Gemayel became a member of the Lebanese Front in 1980 and in 1981 he led the unified Christian Lebanese militias in the Battle of Zahleh.

Israeli forces invaded Lebanon in 1982. Although Gemayel did not cooperate with the Israelis publicly, his long history of alleged tactical collaboration with Israel counted against him in the eyes of many Lebanese Muslims. Although the only announced candidate for the presidency of the republic, the National Assembly elected him by the second narrowest margin in Lebanese history (57 votes out of 92) on August 23, 1982; most Muslim members of the Assembly boycotted the vote.

Nine days before he was due to take office, Gemayel was assassinated along with 25 others in an explosion at the Kataeb headquarters in Achrafieh on September 14, 1982.

After his death, as the Israeli army reoccupied West Beirut, Maronite militias then carried out the Sabra and Shatila massacres.

Bachir Gemayel's older brother Amine Gemayel became president in Bachir's place, serving from 1982 to 1988. Rather different in temperament, Amine Gemayel was widely regarded as lacking the charisma and decisiveness of his brother, and many of the latter's followers were dissatisfied.

Habib Tanious Shartouni, a member of the pro-Damascus Syrian Social Nationalist Party, confessed to the crime, was apprehended and handed over to Amine Gemayel. He escaped but was captured again a few hours later, and handed over to Lebanon's justice system. He was imprisoned in the Roumieh prison. He was released from Roumieh in October 1990 by the Syrian army, in what many consider an illegal action.

Bachir Gemayel remains a divisive figure in Lebanese politics. Many Christians remember him nostalgically as a hero, seeing him as the embodiment of what Lebanon could and should have been.

[dutsqg]

The moved to India in the 1930s.. Obviously than the whole thing with the partition happened..

I have no idea why they moved.. but since it was just two generations back .. it's more clear where they are all orginally from .. My mom's grandmother was from Jordan therefore most of her side of the family is from there.. the rest are from afganistan..

But the generation after my mum.. like most of us were born in Hong Kong.. but none of us have chinese blood..

I must say your family from Jordan made a weird ass move.

[Space-Cowboy]

http://translate.google.com/translate_t

Wow... the translation sucks:

During the ceremony, held in Sassin Square to mark the third anniversary of the withdrawal of the Syrian army from Lebanon in Uncle 2005, dropped a Yemeni Sheikh Bashir Gemayel on behalf of the Ashrafieh area Brigades call the following:

So do not forget,
This is the slogan that brings us together today Hoey,
With science, not Anu Phalangist forces nor even the residents of the area need to combine Ashrafieh, Ta raise the slogan of "so as not to forget."
Rita you can forget!
Conversely, every day Mentzkr Ache surgeon Lilly and left the occupier of each area, and our hearts and hearts of our mothers and our children, the disabled and political prisoners abducted and Lilly do not deported never forget them valuable to our castle, welcomed the wrong call, struggle even refer Aaloutn.

[Romana]

I must say your family from Jordan made a weird ass move.

It's not more weird than moving from a city like Hong Kong to a shit hole like England :ashamed:

[hybridized]

It's not more weird than moving from a city like Hong Kong to a shit hole like England :ashamed:

England is still better than Pakistan.

Though I noticed that many British Pakistanis have an obsession with being extremist.

[dutsqg]

It's not more weird than moving from a city like Hong Kong to a shit hole like England :ashamed:

True. I've been to Jordan. Beautiful country.

[hybridized]

lol someone sent me this rep comment:

shut the fuk up racist

Reveal yourselves.

[Rcade]

lol someone sent me this rep comment:



Reveal yourselves.

lmao

[dutsqg]

England is still better than Pakistan.

Though I noticed that many British Pakistanis have an obsession with being extremist.

Yeah. Its that disgusting mentality that they have. Its a bunch of bearded monkeys brainwashing idiots for their own benefit.However I am a proud Muslim :).

[Space-Cowboy]

lol someone sent me this rep comment:



Reveal yourselves.
Wasn't me if that's what you're thinking.

[hybridized]

Wasn't me if that's what you're thinking.

You don't type like a teeny bopper or wannabe gang-banger so I knew it wasn't you :rofl:

[Romana]

lol someone sent me this rep comment:



Reveal yourselves.

:rofl:

[VegasThug]

lol, it was space cowboy

[Space-Cowboy]

lol, it was space cowboy

^^^I have a hunch it was him.

[foreverconfused]

The Lebanese women I've talked to simply refer to themselves as "Lebanese". I have not seen them describe themselves as Arab OR Phonecian even once.

you're kidding right?

they have a crazy inferiority complex. same thing with persians. they're always trying to link themselves with other races. Just because they identify themselves as lebanese nationals doesn't mean they don't claim foreign ancestry.

[Space-Cowboy]

you're kidding right?

they have a crazy inferiority complex. same thing with persians. they're always trying to link themselves with other races. Just because they identify themselves as lebanese nationals doesn't mean they don't claim foreign ancestry.

:dunno: I can only vouche for the Winnipeggers I've talked to.

[eshwaar]

i know alot of pakistanis....and they consider themselve to be middle eastern....not indian which i thnk is kinda of a double standard

[hybridized]

I agree with your first statement, those Pakistanis who associate themselves with arabs are dumbasses.

However, any country that stones rape victims, encourages child marriages, has a lack of rights for homosexuals, women, and the poor, and is run by a form of religious law without room for religious freedom IS backwards, and Pakistan fits all of these qualities, its one backwards mother fucking country, and i'm embarrased by the atrocities that are commited by pakistanis.

You're focusing solely on the bad aspects of Pakistani culture. There is good and bad in each and every culture.

When I think of Pakistani culture, I think of qawallis. I also recall Sufi shrines. I read poetry by the likes of Bulleh Shah and Shah Latif. I recall the once tolerant and pluralistic psyche of what Pakistani society was in the pre-Zia days.

[jumpn jza]

You're focusing solely on the bad aspects of Pakistani culture. There is good and bad in each and every culture.

When I think of Pakistani culture, I think of qawallis. I also recall Sufi shrines. I read poetry by the likes of Bulleh Shah and Shah Latif. I recall the once tolerant and pluralistic psyche of what Pakistani society was in the pre-Zia days.

nice response...

[WildWolfdog]

I've noticed in many posts that you seem to have a problem with Arabs. Why is that?

[paulie walnuts]

I recall the once tolerant and pluralistic psyche of what Pakistani society was in the pre-Zia days.you are recalling a fantasy, bruv.

[hybridized]

you are recalling a fantasy, bruv.

Mate, I don't think I should bring up the bad cultural traits of America and other parts of the world, should I?

So why single out Pakistan for it?

How about you Google Emmitt Till next time.

[paulie walnuts]

Mate, I don't think I should bring up the bad cultural traits of America and other parts of the world, should I?

So why single out Pakistan for it?

How about you Google Emmitt Till next time.not many people will deny that america has been institutionally intolerant throughout most of its history. if anything, it renders the nation's subsequent progress all the more impressive.

but how is that relevant to the fact that pakistani christians, hindus, ahmadis, women, homosexuals, etc. were all still treated like shit prior to 1977? zia may have codified and enforced the bigotry, but people don't change overnight. pakistani society and culture shouldn't be characterized by intolerance, but this mythical pre-zia kumbaya sufi secularism shit is a huge reach.

[hybridized]

not many people will deny that america has been institutionally intolerant throughout most of its history. if anything, it renders the nation's subsequent progress all the more impressive.

but how is that relevant to the fact that pakistani christians, hindus, ahmadis, women, homosexuals, etc. were all still treated like shit prior to 1977? zia may have codified and enforced the bigotry, but people don't change overnight. pakistani society and culture shouldn't be characterized by intolerance, but this mythical pre-zia kumbaya sufi secularism shit is a huge reach.

Yeah, I'm sure A.R. Cornelius never had the honor of being the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in Pakistan, right? :rolleyes:

[jumpn jza]

I've noticed in many posts that you seem to have a problem with Arabs. Why is that?
R to the A to the CISM

[crayzee]

fuck me, i'm kashmiri

[Redman4life]

:ugh:

[ajcrunk]

I'm not sure if a thread like this has been made before, but there's something that irks me quite a bit.

A lot of naive people falsely assume that Pakistan is a Middle Eastern country and that Pakistanis are Middle Eastern.

Ask them why and they say because it is a Muslim country. I then ask,"So by that logic, does that make Indonesia, Kosovo, or Albania Middle Eastern countries then?", and then they keep their mouths shut afterwards. What does Pakistan have in common with countries like Lebanon or Iran? Hell, it's like saying Cyprus is Middle Eastern, even though we all know it's a European country first and foremost.

I'm Pakistani, and I classify myself as a South Asian, not as a Middle Easterner. My roots lay in the Indian subcontinent, not in Iran or the Arabian Peninsula or the Levant, and the same goes for many in Pakistan as well. Unfortunately, there are some Pakistanis who got duped into assuming that they are Middle Eastern which is as bad as Lebanese Maronites implying that they are secular Europeans conceived in a test tube in Nice or Cannes.

Feel free to comment.

well Pakistan is not middle eastern but some people say its part of the "greater" middle east due to the desert i guess, but i still see pakland as Desi land since Pakis have more similarities with the desis than the middle easterners

[hybridized]

well Pakistan is not middle eastern but some people say its part of the "greater" middle east due to the desert i guess, but i still see pakland as Desi land since Pakis have more similarities with the desis than the middle easterners

We have cultural ties with Iran but that's about it.

[Samad]

Pakistani's are free to use the "I'm half persian" excuse :chick:

lol classic

[desichick_usa]

I don't see the hype....Pakistani culture is more similar to the Middle eastern culture, as opposed to the South Asian or Indian subcontinent. Plus, it's geographically closer to the middle eastern nations.

[Irreligious Left]

I don't see the hype....Pakistani culture is more similar to the Middle eastern culture, as opposed to the South Asian or Indian subcontinent. Plus, it's geographically closer to the middle eastern nations.

That's basically wrong on both points.

[Space-Cowboy]

That's basically wrong on both points.

Don't you have the power to lock this thread?

[Irreligious Left]

Don't you have the power to lock this thread?

Sorry. No. My jurisdictional power extends only as far as SD.

[jumpn jza]

I don't see the hype....Pakistani culture is more similar to the Middle eastern culture, as opposed to the South Asian or Indian subcontinent. Plus, it's geographically closer to the middle eastern nations.

What is middle eastern culture? what are some common elements of middle eastern culture according to you?

How can Pakistan be closer to the Middle east than it is to South Asia if Pakistan is considered to be a part of South Asia?

Your conclusion isn't really wrong, but the process of coming to that conclusion is at best convoluted. Yes i know that geographic demarcations like "South Asia" and "Middle East" are entirely arbitrary, but how would you justify your perception of geography and culture?

[Irreligious Left]

What is middle eastern culture? what are some common elements of middle eastern culture according to you?

How can Pakistan be closer to the Middle east than it is to South Asia if Pakistan is considered to be a part of South Asia?

Your conclusion isn't really wrong, but the process of coming to that conclusion is at best convoluted. Yes i know that geographic demarcations like "South Asia" and "Middle East" are entirely arbitrary, but how would you justify your perception of geography and culture?

I agree that "Middle East" is arbitrary, but "South Asia" is geographically correct.

[not-now]

I don't see the hype....Pakistani culture is more similar to the Middle eastern culture, as opposed to the South Asian or Indian subcontinent. Plus, it's geographically closer to the middle eastern nations.

:ugh:
wow your clueless maybe you should look at a map and also read up on the history of the indian sub-continent.

[jumpn jza]

I agree that "Middle East" is arbitrary, but "South Asia" is geographically correct.

I think so too, but on what basis??

[bonita_larki]

This kid in my class, kept asking where i was from, i said im pakistani, and then later he goes are you from Afghanistan? im like wtf i just said i was paki. Then he kept poppin terrorist jokes. That just pisses me off.

[desichick_usa]

:ugh:
wow your clueless maybe you should look at a map and also read up on the history of the indian sub-continent.

Pakistan is right under Afghanistan and Next to Iran (both of which are considered in the middles east)...hence it is geographically close to the middle east.

And just cus Pakistan was India once does not conlude it's culture is the same as India now. They are two different countries with very different culture.

[desichick_usa]

What is middle eastern culture? what are some common elements of middle eastern culture according to you?
Well the majority of middle eastern countries are islamic and so is pakistan. It's basically impossible to not have the same culture.....Same belief, same faith, therefore same culture.

How can Pakistan be closer to the Middle east than it is to South Asia if Pakistan is considered to be a part of South Asia?
I know... becuase Pakistan was India once. Thats mainly why its considered part of South Asia. I bet that if it was part of Aghanistan, then it would be considered middle eastern.

[hybridized]

I don't see the hype....Pakistani culture is more similar to the Middle eastern culture, as opposed to the South Asian or Indian subcontinent. Plus, it's geographically closer to the middle eastern nations.

You must be mentally retarded.

By your logic, since Cyprus is close to Lebanon and other Levantine states, does that make it Middle Eastern?

Idiot.

[hybridized]

Well the majority of middle eastern countries are islamic and so is pakistan.

Uh no, that doesn't automatically make it Middle Eastern.

By your logic, Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia Herzegovina, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Maldives, and Malaysia would all be "Middle Eastern" countries.

Still pretty fucktarded if you ask everyone else here.

It's basically impossible to not have the same culture.....Same belief, same faith, therefore same culture.

I hate to break it to you but same faith does not equal same culture.

Perhaps you should stick with wearing more make up than a clown than posting in Serious Discussions.

Just a thought.