Islam surpasses Roman Catholicism as world's largest religion

[mohsin718]

Muslims more numerous than Catholics By ALESSANDRA RIZZO, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 58 minutes ago



VATICAN CITY - Islam has surpassed Roman Catholicism as the world's largest religion, the Vatican newspaper said Sunday.


"For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us," Monsignor Vittorio Formenti said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano. Formenti compiles the Vatican's yearbook.

He said that Catholics accounted for 17.4 percent of the world population — a stable percentage — while Muslims were at 19.2 percent.

"It is true that while Muslim families, as is well known, continue to make a lot of children, Christian ones on the contrary tend to have fewer and fewer," the monsignor said.

Formenti said that the data refer to 2006. The figures on Muslims were put together by Muslim countries and then provided to the United Nations, he said, adding that the Vatican could only vouch for its own data.

When considering all Christians and not just Catholics, Christians make up 33 percent of the world population, Formenti said.

Spokesmen for the Vatican and the United Nations did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Sunday.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080330/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_muslims


~~~~~Allah Akbar~~~~~

[surface2air]

oh fuck

[HU55AIN]

Mashallah,

[LAKERFAN8]

SOUND THE ALARMS

TEAM KAAFIR MUST START MAKING BABIES SO WE CATCH UP

:hs:

[ArTmALik]

Muslims more numerous than Catholics By ALESSANDRA RIZZO, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 58 minutes ago



VATICAN CITY - Islam has surpassed Roman Catholicism as the world's largest religion, the Vatican newspaper said Sunday.


"For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us," Monsignor Vittorio Formenti said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano. Formenti compiles the Vatican's yearbook.

He said that Catholics accounted for 17.4 percent of the world population — a stable percentage — while Muslims were at 19.2 percent.

"It is true that while Muslim families, as is well known, continue to make a lot of children, Christian ones on the contrary tend to have fewer and fewer," the monsignor said.

Formenti said that the data refer to 2006. The figures on Muslims were put together by Muslim countries and then provided to the United Nations, he said, adding that the Vatican could only vouch for its own data.

When considering all Christians and not just Catholics, Christians make up 33 percent of the world population, Formenti said.

Spokesmen for the Vatican and the United Nations did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Sunday.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080330/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_muslims


~~~~~Allah Akbar~~~~~

MASHALLAH!SUBHANALLAH

[HU55AIN]

SOUND THE ALARMS

TEAM KAAFIR MUST START MAKING BABIES SO WE CATCH UP

:hs:
lolz

[phishuff]

thats cool :cool:

[di vinci]

SOUND THE ALARMS

TEAM KAAFIR MUST START MAKING BABIES SO WE CATCH UP

:hs:damm those mussy and there sexmad baby making parents

note to self.. have 6 kidz

[cococrisp]

lol @ basing this on the amount of childern....


i think islam has higher rate of ppl converting to it...


i blame all the hindu girls for this who coverte for paki men :D and then make a lot of paki baby's :salut:

[jumpn jza]

well, there are still more christians than muslims. 33% christians vs 19.2% muslims.


this is just a vatican attention-whoring ploy. OMG MORE DURKAS THAN US GIVE US MO MONIES

Catholicism may as well be a seperate faith, it's a wierd 95% pagan religion with a slight emphasis on Jesus.

[PakiRican]

mashallah

[di vinci]

lol @ basing this on the amount of childern....


i think islam has higher rate of ppl converting to it...


i blame all the hindu girls for this who coverte for paki men :D and then make a lot of paki baby's :salut:
they also get money.. tv .. a new kitchen for their conversion too

[ArTmALik]

And Its Not Just About Muslims Concentrating On Babies..,islam Is Also Spreading More In Usa After 9/11 ..and In All Europe .i Was Reading A Comment Of Tht Asshole Gilbert ,he Was Giving Some Interview To Danish Tv.."he Was Saying Tht Hes So Pissed Off Tht Islam Is Growing In Our Countries And We Need To Stop It.lol Moderfucker Thinks He Can Stop Islam Like That..its Gona Grow More ,the People Who Never Read Quran They Are Gona Read It To Know And They Are Gona Become Muslims.lol;

[aspaan]

well, there are still more christians than muslims. 33% christians vs 19.2% muslims.


this is just a vatican attention-whoring ploy. OMG MORE DURKAS THAN US GIVE US MO MONIES


true that

and its nothing to be proud of that muslim population is exploding. we are looking at an over population crisis

[jumpn jza]

And Its Not Just About Muslims Concentrating On Babies..,islam Is Also Spreading More In Usa After 9/11 ..and In All Europe .i Was Reading A Comment Of Tht Asshole Gilbert ,he Was Giving Some Interview To Danish Tv.."he Was Saying Tht Hes So Pissed Off Tht Islam Is Growing In Our Countries And We Need To Stop It.lol Moderfucker Thinks He Can Stop Islam Like That..its Gona Grow More ,the People Who Never Read Quran They Are Gona Read It To Know And They Are Gona Become Muslims.lol;

omfg omfg omfg ...:Ohno:

[cococrisp]

they also get money.. tv .. a new kitchen for their conversion too

the tittle of the thread doesnt surprise me one bit now....

[HeAvYmAcHiNeGuN]

damm those mussy and there sexmad baby making parents

note to self.. have 6 kidz

:slap:

[ArTmALik]

lol @ basing this on the amount of childern....


i think islam has higher rate of ppl converting to it...


i blame all the hindu girls for this who coverte for paki men :D and then make a lot of paki baby's :salut:

vERY TRUE..THIS IS WHAT I JUST SAID IN MY POST..!LOL

[cococrisp]

so does this include christians also of all over the world.... or jus the Roman Catholics....

[BMW-racer]

nice.

[di vinci]

the tittle of the thread doesnt surprise me one bit now....
im waiting for a free house.. do u want to convert we go 50/50 on the house

[BdZ_SwEEtieZ]

oh wow....huh

[HeAvYmAcHiNeGuN]

Mashallah

[PRCIV]

The clash of civilizations will be upon us soon...you guys best be ready

[brownieman]

woot

[jumpn jza]

if you're catholic, you consider yourself christian. if you're protestant, you consider yourself christian. if you're methodist, you consider yourself christian.

if you're sunni, you consider yourself muslim. if you're shiite, you consider yourself muslim.

see where im going with this?


the fact that this "news" comes out of the vatican and they emphasize the high birth rate amongst muslims doesn't surprise me. BROTHA'S GOT A FAMIRY TO FEED MO MONIES NAUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Yeh i know, Catholicism is just wierd...thats all.

[cococrisp]

im waiting for a free house.. do u want to convert we go 50/50 on the house

|O||zz .... nah... i'll pass....

but thx for the offer tho... ;)

[BdZ_SwEEtieZ]

so does this include christians also of all over the world.... or jus the Roman Catholics....
the article just talks about the roman catholics...

[ArTmALik]

if you're catholic, you consider yourself christian. if you're protestant, you consider yourself christian. if you're methodist, you consider yourself christian.

if you're sunni, you consider yourself muslim. if you're shiite, you consider yourself muslim.

see where im going with this?


the fact that this "news" comes out of the vatican and they emphasize the high birth rate amongst muslims doesn't surprise me. BROTHA'S GOT A FAMIRY TO FEED MO MONIES NAUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..U HAVE A POINT! *AGREED*

[=Surge=]

Yea keep "Mashallahing" you sheep.

[cococrisp]

the article just talks about the roman catholics...

yeh i thought so...

[BdZ_SwEEtieZ]

if you're catholic, you consider yourself christian. if you're protestant, you consider yourself christian. if you're methodist, you consider yourself christian.

if you're sunni, you consider yourself muslim. if you're shiite, you consider yourself muslim.

see where im going with this?


the fact that this "news" comes out of the vatican and they emphasize the high birth rate amongst muslims doesn't surprise me. BROTHA'S GOT A FAMIRY TO FEED MO MONIES NAUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
exactly.... you put it all right

[HU55AIN]

Yea keep "Mashallahing" you sheep.
hater

[cococrisp]

oh fuck


lol @ first post.....

:rofl:

[=Surge=]

hater

More along the lines of realist. I was born and raised a Muslim. Dumped the absurdity of it after I reached the age of adult mental maturity, which many of you won't ever achieve.

[jumpn jza]

One thing i like about Catholics...is the rosary beads, they just look so gangsta.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050328_Issue/050319_Gangs_vl.widec.jpg

[PakiRican]

One thing i like about Catholics...is the rosary beads, they just look so gangsta.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050328_Issue/050319_Gangs_vl.widec.jpg
we have tasbi
looks similar

[Irreligious Left]

hahaha! drudge has a hilarious graphic to go with the headline.

http://drudgereport.com/

I know people here be mashallah-ing that kid's eyes, but it's really not flattering at all.

[cococrisp]

One thing i like about Catholics...is the rosary beads, they just look so gangsta.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/050328_Issue/050319_Gangs_vl.widec.jpg


http://i26.tinypic.com/33vm6b4.jpg
:cool:
i got one hung off my rear view mirror... looks nice :lulz:

[BMW-racer]

More along the lines of realist. I was born and raised a Muslim. Dumped the absurdity of it after I reached the age of adult mental maturity, which many of you won't ever achieve.
them be some harsh words.

[jumpn jza]

we have tasbi
looks similar

But it needs to be worn by criminals for it to be cool. :cool:
If your half Puerto Rican, wouldn't you be half Catholic by heritage?

[BMW-racer]

hahaha! drudge has a hilarious graphic to go with the headline.

http://drudgereport.com/

I know people here be mashallah-ing that kid's eyes, but it's really not flattering at all.
i really don't see how it is hillarious. do you find arabic scripture humorous? or the green eyes are funny?

[jumpn jza]

You know..."Islam" can also be spelt "I slam"...how violent :no:
i kidd

[=Surge=]

them be some harsh words.


I'm bitter against religion dude. However its a necessarily evil for the forseeable future.

[HU55AIN]

More along the lines of realist. I was born and raised a Muslim. Dumped the absurdity of it after I reached the age of adult mental maturity, which many of you won't ever achieve.
wt maturity?, well sum1 did a bad job of raising you as a muslim i guess. lolz Its normally the fault of parents, when children go astray. But in your case cause ur sucha intelligent individual, it was all you. But i honestly believe, if u dont believe then dont fake. so u a atheist?

[crzyabcd]

You know..."Islam" can also be spelt "I slam"...how violent :no:
i kidd

lol... wow.

[PRCIV]

You know..."Islam" can also be spelt "I slam"...how violent :no:
i kidd

I read parts of the Quran once, and let me tell you it made me extremely bloodthirsty. I wanted to go out there and hunt some Kafirs but then someone gave me a sedative and I calmed down.....

[HeAvYmAcHiNeGuN]

we have tasbi
looks similar

and how would explain Tasbi and the purpose of a tasbi to a non-muslim?

[mohsin718]

I'm bitter against religion dude. However its a necessarily evil for the forseeable future.
Do you think that you are smart? you have figured out the world haven't you

[BMW-racer]

I'm bitter against religion dude. However its a necessarily evil for the forseeable future.
aint nothin' wrong with being an athiest, or anti-religion; however, at the same time, forcing an opinion that people that do believe in religion lack maturity is a bit skewed.

[mohsin718]

http://i26.tinypic.com/33vm6b4.jpg
:cool:
i got one hung off my rear view mirror... looks nice :lulz:
bro, its not good to imitate them ! hang tasbee instead, if u want to...
"whoever imitates a group is one of them".. i think this is a hadeeth ..

[desi_shawrty]

SOUND THE ALARMS

TEAM KAAFIR MUST START MAKING BABIES SO WE CATCH UP

:hs:
LMAOO

actually made me laugh

[desi_shawrty]

Is your source reliable?

[PRCIV]

Is your source reliable?

Allah is the source

[Rcade]

wat about the 1 billion hindus in india,,,,where does that put them

[boss091]

Muslims more numerous than Catholics By ALESSANDRA RIZZO, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 58 minutes ago



VATICAN CITY - Islam has surpassed Roman Catholicism as the world's largest religion, the Vatican newspaper said Sunday.


"For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us," Monsignor Vittorio Formenti said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano. Formenti compiles the Vatican's yearbook.

He said that Catholics accounted for 17.4 percent of the world population — a stable percentage — while Muslims were at 19.2 percent.

"It is true that while Muslim families, as is well known, continue to make a lot of children, Christian ones on the contrary tend to have fewer and fewer," the monsignor said.

Formenti said that the data refer to 2006. The figures on Muslims were put together by Muslim countries and then provided to the United Nations, he said, adding that the Vatican could only vouch for its own data.

When considering all Christians and not just Catholics, Christians make up 33 percent of the world population, Formenti said.

Spokesmen for the Vatican and the United Nations did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Sunday.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080330/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_muslims


~~~~~Allah Akbar~~~~~Allah-u-Akbar

[Rcade]

Yahde Kumullahu wa Yaslih Ba Lakoom

[BMW-racer]

wat about the 1 billion hindus in india,,,,where does that put them
there's no competing with the hindus. no one will ever catch upto them.

[=Surge=]

wt maturity?, well sum1 did a bad job of raising you as a muslim i guess. lolz Its normally the fault of parents, when children go astray. But in your case cause ur sucha intelligent individual, it was all you. But i honestly believe, if u dont believe then dont fake. so u a atheist?


I don't believe in the Abrahamic version of "God", no.

[PakiRican]

But it needs to be worn by criminals for it to be cool. :cool:
If your half Puerto Rican, wouldn't you be half Catholic by heritage?you can't be half a religion
but yes my mom is catholic

[di vinci]

Is your source reliable?yahoo news and a census submitted to united nations

[jumpn jza]

I read parts of the Quran once, and let me tell you it made me extremely bloodthirsty. I wanted to go out there and hunt some Kafirs but then someone gave me a sedative and I calmed down.....

That's coz your a right-wing fascist. :arrow:

[=Surge=]

aint nothin' wrong with being an athiest, or anti-religion; however, at the same time, forcing an opinion that people that do believe in religion lack maturity is a bit skewed.

The individuals who blindly follow their religion, without even justifying why they believe in it; those are who I crusade against. It is the naive and delusional who warp religion and have killed millions in the name of it.

[jumpn jza]

you can't be half a religion
but yes my mom is catholic

Well, i reckon you could. Just mix and match the two.
Puerto Ricans :love:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s77/robin1500/pun_jewels.jpg

[Space-Cowboy]

Yahde Kumullahu wa Yaslih Ba Lakoom
Allah-u-Akbar

Yaba Daba Doo!!

[indesicive]

wat about the 1 billion hindus in india,,,,where does that put them

They are slowly converting, thanks to Dr Zakir Naik and Peace T.V. :yes:
5TpPhYngaoo

[schaxeb]

That, i think is an unfair comparison. they included all Muslim sects, but broke down the christian denominations.

[-Ziad-]

Anyways. This is just catholicism.

no need to go crazy with the mashallahs guys.

mashallah.

[desi_shawrty]

LMAOO i told my dad this and goes

yeh cause all they do is have babies cause they have nothing else to do and then those people go wrap bombs around their selves and blow shit up

[jumpn jza]

They are slowly converting, thanks to Dr Zakir Naik and Peace T.V. :yes:
5TpPhYngaoo

Naik is an authoritarian asshole. He believes it is justified to execute someone for converting away from Islam in a Muslim state...complete fuckwit.

[RacingSoul]

Yaba Daba Doo!!

LMFAO!

[LAKERFAN8]

Z Naik is an idiot. He said once 'terrorists are just a bad minority, every community has them' - true.

Then he said 'EATING PORK MEANS YOU BECOME LIKE ANIMALS WHO HAVE SEX WITH THEIR FAMILY AND SHARE AND LIVE IN WASTE. if you eat pig you will become like the americans who switch the wives!'

:ugh:

[kucchnahi]

SOUND THE ALARMS

TEAM KAAFIR MUST START MAKING BABIES SO WE CATCH UP

:hs:

:rofl: That was funny. :)

[LAKERFAN8]

:rofl: That was funny. :)
Thx yaar :bhapi:

[kucchnahi]

Now, on another serious note, I sometimes seriously believe that threads such as these should not be really posted on the Forums not because discussions are not a valuable tool to learning and sharing because they are but that I am wary. And that is quite sad because a place that should be ideal breeding ground for discussions has left no room for discussions. What's even more sad is I often refrain from speaking because my right to do so is silenced by the reservation I harbor of those posters that would seek to engage in flaming.

Most people on the Forums just simply get away with saying that it is the Internet and these things should not matter, somehow implying that fact alone allows them to disavow their words. But I don't find it so. Words are powerful and they are your responsibility, whether you should like to believe it or not. And those that would post in a manner that seeks to silence other's voices or reason are culpable for their actions whether they should like to believe it or not. And what's even more sad is that I honestly don't believe that most people on the Forums would like to show maturity (that I know they possess) or the patience to discuss issues that are involved in threads of these nature without flaming. And when topics that should be a matter of discussion evolve into arguments or flaming, no one can be said to benefit. I don't even have to read the whole thread to know that some posters would have posted inflammatory comments. Anyway...

Honesty, I don't care what anyone's religion is or what religion is leading by populations; I just want to deal with good and sane persons regardless of what religion they practice. And I cannot begin to describe how sad it is to realize that all religions which teach us good values and following of a path to humanity have led peoples to adopt prejudices that which have no place in the heart of a good, sane person, let alone a religious one.

[jumpn jza]

bro, its not good to imitate them ! hang tasbee instead, if u want to...
"whoever imitates a group is one of them".. i think this is a hadeeth ..

cococrisp isnt a muslim you pretentious twat.

[Space-Cowboy]

They are slowly converting, thanks to Dr Zakir Naik and Peace T.V. :yes:
5TpPhYngaoo


Most Hindus, and in fact most non-Muslims find Naik to be a babbling idiot. :yes:

[Space-Cowboy]

Z Naik is an idiot. He said once 'terrorists are just a bad minority, every community has them' - true.

Then he said 'EATING PORK MEANS YOU BECOME LIKE ANIMALS WHO HAVE SEX WITH THEIR FAMILY AND SHARE AND LIVE IN WASTE. if you eat pig you will become like the americans who switch the wives!'

:ugh:

Zakir Naik on Apostates :hs:

JRl5c-xPVA0


DEATH TO THE TREASONOUS APOSTATES!!!!

[jumpn jza]

Most Hindus, and in fact most non-Muslims find Naik to be a babbling idiot. :yes:

I agree. He said that the death sentence is justified for apostacy in an islamic state. What a fuckwit.

*edit* - ok you just posted it.

[Space-Cowboy]

I agree. He said that the death sentence is justified for apostacy in an islamic state. What a fuckwit.

I just checked that Peace TV link about the Hindu converting. Naik has often been known to have plants in the audience. I guess showmanship translates to future converts, who knows. :hs:

[nayeemx33]

Nayeemism is the fastest religion!!!
Members so far:
Spacecowboy
Thedude
Irreligious_Left
Bigcrazyindian

[Space-Cowboy]

Nayeemism is the fastest religion!!!
Members so far:
Spacecowboy
Thedude
Irreligious_Left
Bigcrazyindian

So, Canadians are allowed?

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

I just checked that Peace TV link about the Hindu converting. Naik has often been known to have plants in the audience. I guess showmanship translates to future converts, who knows. :hs:
lol u r seriously obssesed with the guy,whenever his name shows up u post that video and start dissing him.Apart from his knowledge on hinduism,his knowledge in Islam is far greater than most scholars.I want to see any hindu scholar having such a great impact as this guy

[nayeemx33]

So, Canadians are allowed?

You're an exception <3

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

as for the topic well christianity and islam both r the most well spread religions in the world which will continue to spread no matter what.

[jumpn jza]

I just checked that Peace TV link about the Hindu converting. Naik has often been known to have plants in the audience. I guess showmanship translates to future converts, who knows. :hs:

He seems to be orally defacating a lot of crap about how this so called "God" could have made everyone into a muslim....LOL.

The audience looks full of shit.

[Space-Cowboy]

lol u r seriously obssesed with the guy,whenever his name shows up u post that video and start dissing him.Apart from his knowledge on hinduism,his knowledge in Islam is far greater than most scholars.I want to see any hindu scholar having such a great impact as this guy

His knowledge on Hinduism is far from impressive. My cousin who is 12 years old can memorize and regurgitate the same bits and pieces of verses in the same way that he does. And Naik's interpretation of the verses are considered either far-fetched or outright wrong by the scholarly community.

As for a modern Hindu scholar who has had a great impact. Well, I personally admire the efforts of Satguru Joggi Vasudev:

3-FvEhOPc6g



Still, given the choice between modern science and Hinduism, I'll still take science.

[nayeemx33]

jumpn jza is our newest member :dance:

[jumpn jza]

jumpn jza is our newest member :dance:

never ever ever. I'd definately convert to islam if i was forced under the threat death.

[foreverconfused]

I woulldn't say Naik is an idiot, but he certainly is a manipulative psychopath with a very dangerous message.

And he is irrational. I've heard his speeches online. His arguments are child-like, almost. Anyone who admires him must be equally-simple-minded.

[-Ziad-]

never ever ever. I'd definately convert to islam if i was forced under the threat death.What was your religion before you were atheist just wondering. hindu or sikh?

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

His knowledge on Hinduism is far from impressive. My cousin who is 12 years old can memorize and regurgitate the same bits and pieces of verses in the same way that he does. And Naik's interpretation of the verses are considered either far-fetched or outright wrong by the scholarly community.

As for a modern Hindu scholar who has had a great impact. Well, I personally admire the efforts of Satguru Joggi Vasudev:

3-FvEhOPc6g



Still, given the choice between modern science and Hinduism, I'll still take science.
Post a link of a scholar who talks abt smilarities between two religions and who has memorised the verses of quran and can actually debate a muslim scholar on any platform.Is there any Hindu scholar who does public debates like Naik?

[foreverconfused]

And i didn't read the first post, but how are they comparing Islam as a whole ( a religion with multiple sects) with one denomination of Christianity?

How can this possibly be taken seriously...

[jumpn jza]

I woulldn't say Naik is an idiot, but he certainly is a manipulative psychopath with a very dangerous message.

And he is irrational. I've heard his speeches online. His arguments are child-like, almost. Anyone who admires him must be equally-simple-minded.

Agreed. Apostacy is the same as treason because a military general who exposes army secrets can be executed in a lot of countries (which is true)...wtf does this have to do with converting away from Islam?? - doesn't the koran say that there is no compulsion in Islam?? If anything, he's making Islam look bad.

I definately would call him an idiot. I'm pretty sure he was concieved with weak sperm or something. Maybe his dad was jacking off and his mom sat on it at the last second.

[jumpn jza]

What was your religion before you were atheist just wondering. hindu or sikh?

I was born into a Catholic family, but my parents always told me to question the religion. So i became an athiest and my parents are probably agnostic, we still have a lot of crosses and rosary beads lying around my house. We even have a portrait of Krishna, which i like coz he's playing the flute with a bunch of chicks..

[foreverconfused]

Agreed. Apostacy is the same as treason because a military general who exposes army secrets can be executed in a lot of countries (which is true)...wtf does this have to do with converting away from Islam?? - doesn't the koran say that there is no compulsion in Islam?? If anything, he's making Islam look bad.

I definately would call him an idiot. I'm pretty sure he was concieved with weak sperm or something. Maybe his dad was jacking off and his mom sat on it at the last second.

I hate the guy, mostly because of his views on apostasy and the way he corrupts other religious scriptures to suit his fanatical message.

The reason I wouldn't call him an idiot (although I would call him irrational), is he has somehow managed to convince masses of idiots that he is some great scholar with excellent reasoning abilities. It takes quite a bit of talent for an ordinary, indoctrinated man to have such a widespread influence, especially when he is as intellectually unremarkable as he is.

I guess simple-minded religious fanatics are impressed by such people. :dunno:

[jumpn jza]

I hate the guy, mostly because of his views on apostasy and the way he corrupts other religious scriptures to suit his fanatical message.

The reason I wouldn't call him an idiot (although I would call him irrational), is he has somehow managed to convince masses of idiots that he is some great scholar with excellent reasoning abilities. It takes quite a bit of talent for an ordinary, indoctrinated man to have such a widespread influence, especially when he is as intellectually unremarkable as he is.

I guess simple-minded religious fanatics are impressed by such people. :dunno:

Trust me, it's not hard to convince religious people about this stuff if they've already made up their mind about what to believe in when they walk into a seminar.

[Menelik_II]

Islam is not one monolithic body. Islam is a myriad of sects, so it is unfair to compair it to one sect of christianity.

In Islam there are Shi'i, Sunni, Amhadi, Ismaili, Sufi and more

[PRCIV]

That's coz your a right-wing fascist. :arrow:

And you, apparently, can't detect sarcasm :rolleyes:

[PRCIV]

They are slowly converting, thanks to Dr Zakir Naik and Peace T.V. :yes:


You people had a 1,000 years to do it and you couldn't. You may as well try for another 1,000 but it'll never, ever happen as long as people like me are around exposing your faith for what it really is.

[jumpn jza]

And you, apparently, can't detect sarcasm :rolleyes:

i know. It's just that the bloodthirsty part kinda suits you...

[Space-Cowboy]

Post a link of a scholar who talks abt smilarities between two religions and who has memorised the verses of quran and can actually debate a muslim scholar on any platform.Is there any Hindu scholar who does public debates like Naik?


Naik hasn't memorized enough authentic Hindu text to make him anywhere near credible either.

And the reason you don't find Hindu scholars talking about similarities is because there is virtually no similarity between Islam and Hinduism. Not saying one's better or worse, it's just too different. And anytime Naik tries to point at a similarity, he IS wrong and takes Hindu texts clearly out of context. He is not knowledgable about anything outside of Islam.

[musicchic33]

oh fuck
lolol

[Siddy3242]

what i dont get is why other people dont get that propogating the idea of "my god or religion is better than your god or religion" is like the biggest threat to human survival after global warming....................
jeebus.........how can i forget the majority of us are sheep, mere sheep....

[Siesta]

:hs:

[not-now]

nice news

some people think islam is already the largest religion due to more practicing muslims than practicing christians.

[notoriou$punjabi]

Since Islam has taken birth attacks have been propogated towards other ethnicities. Inspired by the book these attacks/terrorists still hire & blow up civilians as sucide bombers for financial aid.

As we say India has never attacked another country to gain land or increase its boundaries. So why in the world would they murder because God wants so ?

So HInduism with all of its aspects reigns the world. What blame do you credit to the Mohamad who had no knowledge of Bharat. Practically Mohamad went for an empire with its capital in Saudi ARabia. So the believers with all their comprehension will promote the agenda wherever they reside.

1600 hundered years of murder, loot, rapes & suppression of other ethnicities.

Period.

[di vinci]

Since Islam has taken birth attacks have been propogated towards other ethnicities. Inspired by the book these attacks/terrorists still hire & blow up civilians as sucide bombers for financial aid.

As we say India has never attacked another country to gain land or increase its boundaries. So why in the world would they murder because God wants so ?

So HInduism with all of its aspects reigns the world. What blame do you credit to the Mohamad who had no knowledge of Bharat. Practically Mohamad went for an empire with its capital in Saudi ARabia. So the believers with all their comprehension will promote the agenda wherever they reside.

1600 hundered years of murder, loot, rapes & suppression of other ethnicities.

Period.



seem like some-one hasnt read a history book for a long time.. christianity has commit more mass crimes in the name of christ then any other religion. that is a proven fact.. muslim wars have been small scaler.. chritian wars have been on a huge scale.. america.. africa and australia..


if you dont know wat u are talking about stay out of it.. islam been around just over 1400 years

weirdo

[Siddy3242]

seem like some-one hasnt read a history book for a long time.. christianity has commit more mass crimes in the name of christ then any other religion. that is a proven fact.. muslim wars have been small scaler.. chritian wars have been on a huge scale.. america.. africa and australia..


if you dont know wat u are talking about stay out of it.. islam been around just over 1400 years

weirdo

its not like any of the major religions are not guilty of crimes
Christianity--Inquisition(Medieval, Spanish, Portuguese and Roman)
Hinduism--Religious riots
Islam--well, you have an idea anyways

[di vinci]

its not like any of the major religions are not guilty of crimes
Christianity--Inquisition(Medieval, Spanish, Portuguese and Roman)
Hinduism--Religious riots
Islam--well, you have an idea anywaysseriously u lot need to brush on ur history.. sometimes muslim were defending themselves not attacking.. do u really think they took boat to indonesia and malaysia???

u can never convert a person to another faith. their heart need to be in it

[Space-Cowboy]

seriously u lot need to brush on ur history.. sometimes muslim were defending themselves not attacking.. do u really think they took boat to indonesia and malaysia???

u can never convert a person to another faith. their heart need to be in it

And yet, that happened by force for centuries, both with Christianity and Islam.

And yes, if you take a look at historical expansion, Muslim kings did "take a boat" to annex Indonesia from previous tribal lords.

[PRCIV]

Muslims have killed 100 Million Hindus ever since they invaded the subcontinent. They make the Nazis look like Boy Scouts and the Muslim rulers make Hitler look like Mother Teresa.

[foreverconfused]

seriously u lot need to brush on ur history.. sometimes muslim were defending themselves not attacking.. do u really think they took boat to indonesia and malaysia???

u can never convert a person to another faith. their heart need to be in it

Of course you can. Just impose a jizya on all non-muslims and observe the number of people who convert out of convenience. First generation converts might not be devout, but it is their descendants who will ultimately become firm believers.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

LMAO@all the hindus still butt hurt about this.Get over it.Right now no one is converting dalits by force,ur ppl r converting to christianity,buddhism and islam to get away from centuries old traditions which makes ur own followers look sub human.Fix that than bitch abt other religions taking ur followers away from u.Young generaton Hindus crying abt their followers still converting to other religions (not because of defieciences in their own religion and weak will of their followers ) but rather blaming it on islam,buddhism and chritinaity is laughable.It's like young generation of blacks still bitching abt racism when they can't make it big and instead of taking the blame due to their weed,gang culture they rather blame the white folks.

[Space-Cowboy]

LMAO@all the hindus still butt hurt about this.Get over it.Right now no one is converting dalits by force,ur ppl r converting to christianity,buddhism and islam to get away from centuries old traditions which makes ur own followers look sub human.Fix that than bitch abt other religions taking ur followers away from u.Young generaton Hindus crying abt their followers still converting to other religions (not because of defieciences in their own religion and weak will of their followers ) but rather blaming it on islam,buddhism and chritinaity is laughable.It's like young generation of blacks still bitching abt racism when they can't make it big and instead of taking the blame due to their weed,gang culture they rather blame the white folks.

Caste structure/Dalit class/etc. has nothing to do with Hinduism. There is no social structure placing one person in a 'higher' class above any other person based on birth. People's merits are the result of their own actions.

Btw, the majority of Dalits convert to either Buddhism/Jainism/Sikhism or simply a non-brahministic sect [i.e. practicing proper Sanatani/ Hinduism].... .... not Christianity or Islam.

Btw, there's a class system in Islam as well, especially in places like Saudi Arabia between "Muslims" and "Kafirs". As there was/is in many Christian sects. Hell, mideval England had the serfdom, protected by the powers vested in the Catholic Church.

[roy_desi]

mashallah

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

Caste structure/Dalit class/etc. has nothing to do with Hinduism. There is no social structure placing one person in a 'higher' class above any other person based on birth. People's merits are the result of their own actions.

Btw, the majority of Dalits convert to either Buddhism/Jainism/Sikhism or simply a non-brahministic sect [i.e. practicing proper Sanatani/ Hinduism].... .... not Christianity or Islam.

Btw, there's a class system in Islam as well, especially in places like Saudi Arabia between "Muslims" and "Kafirs". As there was/is in many Christian sects. Hell, mideval England had the serfdom, protected by the powers vested in the Catholic Church.
Dalits have converted to chrsitianity in large numbers,i have read several articles where thousands were converted in one ceremony.Now u will say most of them were because they were bribed,then i ask what about those who converted to budhism.Did budhist bribe them too?.And it doesn't matter whether they converted to an eastern religion or an abrahamic religion,they did convert to another religion which has different teachings than ur own.They werent satisfied with hinduism that's why they went for budhism which gave them the protection they needed,which hinduism or should i say hindu society has miserably failed.And lol@u for giving an example of saudi arabia like what happpens over there represents other million muslims.And even if islam says that there r two categories muslims and non muslims (kafirs) atleast it protects its own followrs and doesn't divide them into sub-categories.Same with christianity there are many sects but at the end they r considered equal or atleast dignified humans.What they think of non-christians is another issue.My point that hindu society has failed miserably to protect it's citizens while other religions have given them the honour they needed which made them to convert.

[Space-Cowboy]

Dalits have converted to chrsitianity in large numbers,i have read several articles where thousands were converted in one ceremony.Now u will say most of them were because they were bribed,then i ask what about those who converted to budhism.Did budhist bribe them too?.And it doesn't matter whether they converted to an eastern religion or an abrahamic religion,they did convert to another religion which has different teachings than ur own.


Actually Eastern traditions are quite similar. Which is why most of them convert to Buddhism far more than Christianity or Islam. And the next biggest set of Dalit "converts" don't go to Christianity or Islam either, but as I said, other sects of Hinduism.


They werent satisfied with hinduism that's why they went for budhism which gave them the protection they needed,which hinduism or should i say hindu society has miserably failed.

There is no one "hindu society". Again, do your research before you speak. As I've said many times, caste system is not a "Hindu" thing, it's a brahministic tradition. Dalits simply convert to other sects which don't observe backwards brahministic customs. I know this because there are several Dalit relatives in my extended family.


And lol@u for giving an example of saudi arabia like what happpens over there represents other million muslims.And even if islam says that there r two categories muslims and non muslims (kafirs) atleast it protects its own followrs and doesn't divide them into sub-categories.Same with christianity there are many sects but at the end they r considered equal or atleast dignified humans.

Neither does Hinduism. True Hinduism that is. More importantly, Hindu teachings don't divide amongst Hindus and Non-Hindus either. Same can't be said about Islam or Christianity [or Judaism] by your own admission.


What they think of non-christians is another issue.My point that hindu society has failed miserably to protect it's citizens while other religions have given them the honour they needed which made them to convert.

Except that there are "Dalits" in all levels of Indian government. Yes brahministic society has failed, and has been gone for centuries. "Hindu" society [whatever that means] hasn't failed them, by a long shot.

The goal of Islamic society, again by your own admission, is a world wide Ummah. For the early centuries of this past millenium, it had exactly that. And it was great, and prosperous. By the corruption of your own Kings, Shahs, Sultans, it collapsed. So, in effect, you can raise the argument that Islamic society has failed as well.

But this isn't a pissing contest: the fact is by and large, Indian society -- because, again, there really never was a "Hindu" society as Sanatani, nor any of the other society for any Eastern traditions ... since Eastern traditions are not political in their spiritual pursuits in the same way that Abrahamic faiths are; so I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "Hindu society -- is quite tolerant and sympathetic towards the Dalit cause. The Vedanta society and the Ram Krishna mission; two institutes who practice TRUE Sanatani, are leading the efforts.

You can no more claim Dalit oppression and caste system to be a part of true Hinduism, than you can claim terrorism to be a part of Islam by any stretch.

[Siddy3242]

seriously u lot need to brush on ur history.. sometimes muslim were defending themselves not attacking.. do u really think they took boat to indonesia and malaysia???

u can never convert a person to another faith. their heart need to be in it

jesus I'm not saying anything about converting.......all I am trying to point out is every religion has their own dirty laundry, which religious maniacs from other religions keep pointing out........

[-Ziad-]

"Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and the world today, with a conversion rate over 400% more than conversion to all other religions combined.It's said that there are anywhere between 300 and 500 converts daily in North America."

Woah cool :hs:

[doaly69]

who give a flying fuck

religon shud be a personal thing not a gang
where it matters the number in that clud

typical desi attitude
mines bigger then urs bs

[jumpn jza]

who give a flying fuck

religon shud be a personal thing not a gang
where it matters the number in that clud

typical desi attitude
mines bigger then urs bs

exactly...it's played out like a dick measuring contest.

[Space-Cowboy]

who give a flying fuck

religon shud be a personal thing not a gang
where it matters the number in that clud

typical desi attitude
mines bigger then urs bs

Because my god can beat up your god :hs:

[doaly69]

Because my god can beat up your god :hs:

my god has kung fu grip

[doaly69]

exactly...it's played out like a dick measuring contest.
exactly

and i have a big dick to :D

[notoriou$punjabi]

seem like some-one hasnt read a history book for a long time.. christianity has commit more mass crimes in the name of christ then any other religion. that is a proven fact.. muslim wars have been small scaler.. chritian wars have been on a huge scale.. america.. africa and australia..


if you dont know wat u are talking about stay out of it.. islam been around just over 1400 years

weirdo
na kid

your attempts to glorify Jihad are your very shortcomings.

[Pompeii]

Since Islam has taken birth attacks have been propogated towards other ethnicities. Inspired by the book these attacks/terrorists still hire & blow up civilians as sucide bombers for financial aid.

As we say India has never attacked another country to gain land or increase its boundaries. So why in the world would they murder because God wants so ?

So HInduism with all of its aspects reigns the world. What blame do you credit to the Mohamad who had no knowledge of Bharat. Practically Mohamad went for an empire with its capital in Saudi ARabia. So the believers with all their comprehension will promote the agenda wherever they reside.

1600 hundered years of murder, loot, rapes & suppression of other ethnicities.

Period.

Comments like these and the general negativity towards certain religions in this thread is quite amusing and I don't take kindly to unfair criticism and targeting of ideologies and groups of people. I'm just going to take this opportunity to talk about the positives of Islam.

Have you people forgotten that under Islamic rule at the height of the Moorish Empire, most religious orders be it monotheistic or polytheistic - coexisted in relative harmony, enjoying a high degree of religious tolerance in a flourishing intellectual and artistic milieu?

However today, harmony has given way to open hostility and peaceful acceptance to perpetual attack, with Islamic culture and religion tarred by the brush of extremists and our placing Islam and, most would argue, the rest of the world at odds.

In this climate of fear and distrust, you people need to be reminded how much spiritual heritage you share - and we in the West need to be remember how much of our own culture we to Islam’s rich tradition. For example;

- Muslim colleges in Andalusia became a model for the most prestigious universities in the English speaking world, Oxford and Cambridge
- Europe’s first effective medical school was founded by Jewish doctors trained in the Muslim world
- Islamic culture gave the West navigation, expanded on mathematics, and Gothic architecture and laid in the intellectual foundations of the Renaissance

It’s frightening to see the rising levels of extremism exerted against Islam and Muslims in Europe, of all places. Have you people forgotten it was the Jewish scholars who could move with ease between Latin, Hebrew and Arabic, that provided a vital link in the international dissemination of knowledge? Knowledge of Greek Classics crept back into European consciousness via the theological college founded by Bishop Fulbert of Chartres. Fulbertus’ pupils were probably the first in Christian western Europe to read the works of Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras and Cicero as well as becoming familiar with mathematics, science and contemporary Arabic inventions such as the astrolabe. This knowledge at Chartres came from Moorish, Spain translated not from Greek, but from Arabic by Jewish scholars. Yet I hear pseudo-intellectuals who have been educated at sub-par institutes and have no clue about history running their mouth, well in this case their fingers, distorting history!

Europe in particular must remember that it was from the flowering of Islamic culture in Moorish, Spain, that became a beacon of light in Europe’s Dark Ages of religious arrogance and persecution.

What’s more worrisome is that 99% of the idiots posting in this thread perceive difference as a reason for conflict.

[Space-Cowboy]

Difference itself is not the reason for conflict; it is when the differences -- coupled with human nature to tend towards xenophobia -- give rise to a disparity between the standard of living and security between the groups that causes problems.

The Islamic nations of today are a shadow of their former selves.

[Pompeii]

Difference itself is not the reason for conflict; it is when the differences -- coupled with human nature to tend towards xenophobia -- give rise to a disparity between the standard of living and security between the groups that causes problems.

The Islamic nations of today are a shadow of their former selves.


...and that somehow justifies it?

[Space-Cowboy]

...and that somehow justifies it?

Never said it did.

[jumpn jza]

Comments like these and the general negativity towards certain religions in this thread is quite amusing and I don't take kindly to unfair criticism and targeting of ideologies and groups of people. I'm just going to take this opportunity to talk about the positives of Islam.

Have you people forgotten that under Islamic rule at the height of the Moorish Empire, most religious orders be it monotheistic or polytheistic - coexisted in relative harmony, enjoying a high degree of religious tolerance in a flourishing intellectual and artistic milieu?

However today, harmony has given way to open hostility and peaceful acceptance to perpetual attack, with Islamic culture and religion tarred by the brush of extremists and our placing Islam and, most would argue, the rest of the world at odds.

In this climate of fear and distrust, you people need to be reminded how much spiritual heritage you share - and we in the West need to be remember how much of our own culture we to Islam’s rich tradition. For example;

- Muslim colleges in Andalusia became a model for the most prestigious universities in the English speaking world, Oxford and Cambridge
- Europe’s first effective medical school was founded by Jewish doctors trained in the Muslim world
- Islamic culture gave the West navigation, expanded on mathematics, and Gothic architecture and laid in the intellectual foundations of the Renaissance

It’s frightening to see the rising levels of extremism exerted against Islam and Muslims in Europe, of all places. Have you people forgotten it was the Jewish scholars who could move with ease between Latin, Hebrew and Arabic, that provided a vital link in the international dissemination of knowledge? Knowledge of Greek Classics crept back into European consciousness via the theological college founded by Bishop Fulbert of Chartres. Fulbertus’ pupils were probably the first in Christian western Europe to read the works of Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras and Cicero as well as becoming familiar with mathematics, science and contemporary Arabic inventions such as the astrolabe. This knowledge at Chartres came from Moorish, Spain translated not from Greek, but from Arabic by Jewish scholars. Yet I hear pseudo-intellectuals who have been educated at sub-par institutes and have no clue about history running their mouth, well in this case their fingers, distorting history!

Europe in particular must remember that it was from the flowering of Islamic culture in Moorish, Spain, that became a beacon of light in Europe’s Dark Ages of religious arrogance and persecution.

What’s more worrisome is that 99% of the idiots posting in this thread perceive difference as a reason for conflict.

I know all that stuff...Empire of Faith.

[foreverconfused]

Dalits have converted to chrsitianity in large numbers,i have read several articles where thousands were converted in one ceremony.Now u will say most of them were because they were bribed,then i ask what about those who converted to budhism.Did budhist bribe them too?.And it doe.And lol@u for giving an example of saudi arabia like what happpens over there represents other million muslims.And even if islam says that there r two categories muslims and non muslims (kafirs) atleast it protects its own followrs and doesn't divide them into sub-categories.sn't matter whether they converted to an eastern religion or an abrahamic religion,they did convert to another religion which has different teachings than ur own.They werent satisfied with hinduism that's why they went for budhism which gave them the protection they needed,which hinduism or should i say hindu society has miserably failedSame with christianity there are many sects but at the end they r considered equal or atleast dignified humans.What they think of non-christians is another issue.My point that hindu society has failed miserably to protect it's citizens while other religions have given them the honour they needed which made them to convert.

lol. protects its own followers and doesn't divide them into subcategories? Saudi Arabia being unrepresentative of Muslims worldwide? lol. Give me a break. Even on Ratedesi, many South Asians support the stoning of adulterers, sexual relationships with children, and the blaming of rape victims.

Followers of Islam have an absolutely pathetic human rights record. Muslim countries today have some of the world human rights records in the world. They're unparalleled in their disregard for basic human freedoms. Countless women in Islamic nations are abused, children are abused -- often sexually, non-muslims are abused, apostates are killed, the list just goes on and on and on and on and on.

And I am not saying that good muslims do not exist. What I am saying is that Islamic countries as a whole definitely do not protect their citizens appropriately nor do they offer them "dignified lives". It is almost laughable to say Islamic countries have given their citizens honour and dignity.

[Pompeii]

lol. protects its own followers and doesn't divide them into subcategories? Saudi Arabia being unrepresentative of Muslims worldwide? lol. Give me a break. Even on Ratedesi, many South Asians support the stoning of adulterers, sexual relationships with children, and the blaming of rape victims.

Followers of Islam have an absolutely pathetic human rights record. Muslim countries today have some of the world human rights records in the world. They're unparalleled in their disregard for basic human freedoms. Countless women in Islamic nations are abused, children are abused -- often sexually, non-muslims are abused, apostates are killed, the list just goes on and on and on and on and on.

And I am not saying that good muslims do not exist. What I am saying is that Islamic countries as a whole definitely do not protect their citizens appropriately nor do they offer them "dignified lives". It is almost laughable to say Islamic countries have given their citizens honour and dignity.

The 1948 Israeli War of Independence involved one of the largest forced migrations in modern history. Around SIX MILLION people were expelled from their homes at gunpoint, civilians were, massacred, and hundreds of Palestinian villages destroyed. Denied for almost six decades, had it happened today it would only have been called ethnic cleaning, yet you polarise to extreme and make no mention of that yet continuously crticise Muslims for their lack of human rights?

Why haven't you mentioned the massacre at Tantura? One of the largest coastal villages in Palestine. Discrbed by the Alexandroni brigade (Jewish army) as 'a bone in the throat' that had to be 'seen too '. A village of 1500 inhabitants whose livelihood depended on agriculture fishing and menial jobs in nearby Haifa, massacred on 22 May 1948. Their crime? They wouldn't leave their homes.

Why haven't you mentioned the THREE massacres at Ayn al-Zaytun? It's best known because its story formed the basis for the only epic novel on the Palestinian catastrophe we have.

What about the Western fulled wars of Africa, Latin America? What about the masscares of innocent people in Kosovo? Chechnya?

Where were the human rights, where was the United Nations when the Jewish soliders followed a policy of massacres in order to precipitate the fight of the people in the cities and towns nearby? This was the case in towns/village of Nasr al-Din near Tiberias, Ayn al-Zaytun near Safda and Tirat Haifa near Haifa in Palestine.

You talk about human rights yet the mass slaying of innocent people goes unmentioned?

[foreverconfused]

The 1948 Israeli War of Independence involved one of the largest forced migrations in modern history. Around SIX MILLION people were expelled from their homes at gunpoint, civilians were, massacred, and hundreds of Palestinian villages destroyed. Denied for almost six decades, had it happened today it would only have been called ethnic cleaning, yet you polarise to extreme and make no mention of that yet continuously crticise Muslims for their lack of human rights?

Why haven't you mentioned the massacre at Tantura? One of the largest coastal villages in Palestine. Discrbed by the Alexandroni brigade as 'a bone in the throat'. A village of 1500 inhabitants whose livelihood depended on agriculture fishing and menial jobs in nearby Haifa, massacred on 22 May 1948. Their crime? They wouldn't leave their homes.

Why haven't you mentioned the THREE massacres at Ayn al-Zaytun? It's best known because its story formed the basis for the only epic novel on the Palestinian catastrophe we have.

What about the Western fulled wars of Africa, Latin America? What about the masscares of innocent people in Kosovo? Chechnya?

Where were the human rights, where was the United Nations when the Jewish soliders followed a policy of massacres in order to precipitate the fight of the people in the cities and towns nearby? This was the case in towns/village of Nasr al-Din near Tiberias, Ayn al-Zaytun near Safda and Tirat Haifa near Haifa.

You talk about human rights yet the mass slaying of innocent people goes unmentioned?

I am not saying that injustices have not taken place in the Middle East or other parts of the world.

What I am saying is religious fanaticism is currently far more pravalent in Muslim countries than it is in any other part of the world. Nowhere in the world does religion affect legislation and government the way it does in the Islamic world.

Think about it. A Christian cannot be legally killed anywhere in the Christian world. A Hindu apostate cannot legally be killed anywhere in India. A Jewish apostate cannot be killed anywhere in Israel.

Why is apostasy punishable by death in Saudi Arabia and why do so many non-Arab Muslims support it? Why do so many Muslims defend child sex, instead of arguing Aisha was older than 9 at the time of consummation? Why did it take over 25 years (and a lot of foreign influence) for Pakistan to repeal the Hudood Ordinance Law? I'm sorry, but I don't see how Muslim countries today offer their citizens any honour, dignity or equality given the way non-Muslims and even Muslims are treated.

Even in the Wetsern world, you will find a substantial number of Muslims whose opinions are based on their religious beliefs as opposed to common sense.

[jumpn jza]

^^^meh...the human race has a problem with religion in general.

[foreverconfused]

^^^meh...the human race has a problem with religion in general.

Agreed. A lot of people are misled when they rely on religion rather than their own reasoning abilities. This includes people from all religious groups, but in my honest opinion, a disproportionately large number of them are Muslims.

It greatly annoys me. The world would be better off with no religion at all if all people do is blindly follow some ancient books. :rolleyes:

[jumpn jza]

Agreed. A lot of people are misled when they rely on religion rather than their own reasoning abilities. This includes people from all religious groups, but in my honest opinion, more of them are Muslims.

It greatly annoys me. The world would be better off with no religion at all if all people do is blindly follow some ancient books. :rolleyes:

Possibly. I have more of a problem with some Muslims who defend certain laws such as "death for apostacy"...that shit's fucked up.

[Pompeii]

I am not saying that injustices have not taken place in the Middle East or other parts of the world.

What I am saying is religious fanaticism is currently far more pravalent in Muslim countries than it is in any other part of the world. Nowhere in the world does religion affect legislation and government the way it does in the Islamic world.

Think about it. A Christian cannot be legally killed anywhere in the Christian world. A Hindu apostate cannot legally be killed anywhere in India. A Jewish apostate cannot be killed anywhere in Israel.

Why is apostasy punishable by death in Saudi Arabia and why do so many non-Arab Muslims support it? Why do so many Muslims defend child sex, instead of arguing Aisha was older than 9 at the time of consummation? Why did it take over 25 years (and a lot of foreign influence) for Pakistan to repeal the Hudood Ordinance Law? I'm sorry, but I don't see how Muslim countries today offer their citizens any honour, dignity or equality given the way non-Muslims and even Muslims are treated.

Even in the Wetsern world, you will find a substantial number of Muslims whose opinions are based on their religious beliefs as opposed to common sense.

Religious fanaticism far more prevalent in Muslim countries? According to whom? Fox news? CNN? Just because one refuses to abandon his culture, his religion and his identity, that individual is too be labelled a fanatic? What about the Christian fanaticism which manifested itself in the form of anti-abortion and anti-homosexual individuals by blowing abortion clinics and using violence against homosexuals? Why don’t you mention the national educational curriculum which requires Israeli children to study from books such as the book of Joshua which contains text such as “I think it is bad, since the Arabs are impure and if one enters an impure land one will also become impure and share their curse”? Why don’t you criticise the fanaticism shown by fans of rival football supporters which is phenomena on its own. Why must only Muslims be targeted?

If you want take about this so called religious extremism that exists in the muslim world then what about when a Ulster Protestant in Northern Ireland murders a catholic who is likely to be avenging the death of another protestant killed by another catholic perhaps in the course of sustained trangenerational vendetta?

If you want to discuss extremism, what about the extremism prevalent in Hindu society? Where a Dalit, or more commonly known as an ‘untouchable’ has his whole life influenced by something which he has no control over?

Why must people in non-Western society live according moral principals set by the West? Who is to say that the social fabric prevalent in the West is superior to customs and norms in the Middle East or Africa? Why must Westerns have the tendency to look at the world from the perspective of ones own culture? It seems as though as you want everybody to follow the social norm you do and think the way you think eliminating the option of diversity and again it seems as though you perceive a difference from a reason for conflict.

I'm not denying religious extremism doesn't exist in the muslim world, all I ask is you be more mentioning of the extremism that is prevalent in the non-muslim world as well.

[foreverconfused]

Religious fanaticism far more prevalent in Muslim countries? According to whom? Fox news? CNN? Just because one refuses to abandon his culture, his religion and his identity, that individual is too be labelled a fanatic? What about the Christian fanaticism which manifested itself in the form of anti-abortion and anti-homosexual individuals by blowing abortion clinics and using violence against homosexuals? Why don’t you mention the national educational curriculum which requires Israeli children to study from books such as the book of Joshua which contains text such as “I think it is bad, since the Arabs are impure and if one enters an impure land one will also become impure and share their curse”? Why don’t you criticise the fanaticism shown by fans of rival football supporters which is phenomena on its own. Why must only Muslims be targeted?

If you want take about this so called religious extremism that exists in the muslim world then what about when a Ulster Protestant in Northern Ireland murders a catholic who is likely to be avenging the death of another protestant killed by another catholic perhaps in the course of sustained trangenerational vendetta?

If you want to discuss extremism, what about the extremism prevalent in Hindu society? Where a Dalit, or more commonly known as an ‘untouchable’ has his whole life influenced by something which he has no control over?

Why must people in non-Western society live according moral principals set by the West? Who is to say that the social fabric prevalent in the West is superior to customs and norms in the Middle East or Africa? Why must Westerns have the tendency to look at the world from the perspective of ones own culture? It seems as though as you want everybody to follow the social norm you do and think the way you think eliminating the option of diversity and again it seems as though you perceive a difference from a reason for conflict.

I'm not denying religious extremism doesn't exist in the muslim world, all I ask is you be more mentioning of the extremism that is prevalent in the non-muslim world as well.

Why should I? It's not relevant to the topic being discussed. The topic being discussed is Islam. I have previously has lengthy discussions on the problems with homophobia, etc. in other threads. I see no point in discussing all religions now. I mean, why on earth should I feel obligated to? It would take far too much time.

The fact is religious extremism is more prevalent in Muslim countries. This is reflected in their form of government, legislation, even their everyday behaviour, whether or not you want to admit it.

All religious fanatics are idiots. But life in modern-day Alabama surrounded by a bunch of god-fearing country hicks would be considerably better than life in a middle-eastern country surrounded by a bunch of Allah-fearing Muslims who are willing to riot and commit murder over cartoons. The level of religious extemism is just a lot greater there.

[PRCIV]

Why should I? It's not relevant to the topic being discussed. The topic being discussed is Islam. I have previously has lengthy discussions on the problems with homophobia, etc. in other threads. I see no point in discussing all religions now. I mean, why on earth should I feel obligated to? It would take far too much time.

The fact is religious extremism is more prevalent in Muslim countries. This is reflected in their form of government, legislation, even their everyday behaviour, whether or not you want to admit it.

Please inform this gentleman that the religious freedom that Muslims take for granted in the West and countries like India is not reciprocated one iota in most Muslim countries. you remember the hue and cry that has created over the Babri Masjid demolition ? now imagine if the situation was reversed, and Hindus had constructed a temple in Mecca, do you think Muslims would have waited hundreds of years to tear it down ??

[foreverconfused]

ignore this post.

[-Ziad-]

All religious fanatics are idiots. But life in modern-day Alabama surrounded by a bunch of god-fearing country hicks would be considerably better than life in a middle-eastern country surrounded by a bunch of Allah-fearing Arabs who are willing to riot and commit murder over cartoons. The level of religious extemism is just a lot greater there.Rofl.

You need to climb out of your cave sweety.

Not everything you hear on the TV or the media is true. I've been to both countries, what perspective do you bring to the table?

[foreverconfused]

Rofl.

You need to climb out of your cave sweety.

Not everything you hear on the TV or the media is true. I've been to both countries, what perspective do you bring to the table?

You are telling me that as a religious minority, I will receive the same level of mistreatment in Alabama that I will in the Middle East?

Absolute rubbish. Given the choice, any non-Muslim would rather live in Alabama than Saudi Arabia.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

lol. protects its own followers and doesn't divide them into subcategories? Saudi Arabia being unrepresentative of Muslims worldwide? lol. Give me a break. Even on Ratedesi, many South Asians support the stoning of adulterers, sexual relationships with children, and the blaming of rape victims.

Followers of Islam have an absolutely pathetic human rights record. Muslim countries today have some of the world human rights records in the world. They're unparalleled in their disregard for basic human freedoms. Countless women in Islamic nations are abused, children are abused -- often sexually, non-muslims are abused, apostates are killed, the list just goes on and on and on and on and on.

And I am not saying that good muslims do not exist. What I am saying is that Islamic countries as a whole definitely do not protect their citizens appropriately nor do they offer them "dignified lives". It is almost laughable to say Islamic countries have given their citizens honour and dignity.

lol i thought we were talking about religions rather than countries where the majority of people form that group.Religion itself and followers are two different things.Christian followers have let down their religion by unnecessary crusades again and again and so have the muslims by becoming extremists.There is nothing to argue about.And :rofl: giving an example of RD.Just shows that u don't go out much.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

"Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and the world today, with a conversion rate over 400% more than conversion to all other religions combined.It's said that there are anywhere between 300 and 500 converts daily in North America."

Woah cool :hs:
That's also forced conversions according to most hindus on this site. :rofl:

[foreverconfused]

lol i thought we were talking about religions rather than countries where the majority of people form that group.Religion itself and followers are two different things.Christian followers have let down their religion by unnecessary crusades again and again and so have the muslims by becoming extremists.There is nothing to argue about.And :rofl: giving an example of RD.Just shows that u don't go out much.

lol@ you mentioning events that took place centuries ago.

Whether you like it or not, modern Western countries are NOT as fanatical as Muslim ones. They allow religious freedom, freedom of speech and do NOT base their laws on outdated religious texts written by primitive men who passed away centuries ago.

[Space-Cowboy]

That's also forced conversions according to most hindus on this site. :rofl:

I never once mentioned modern day forced conversions. In any case, if you're going strictly by % increase, then Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the world [again, not that it matters, since this isn't a pissing contest]; the fastest growing religion would be Wiccan, with Islam and Evangelical Christianity being close seconds.

[foreverconfused]

That's also forced conversions according to most hindus on this site. :rofl:

Even scholars agree that most of the conversions in South Asia happened due to the jizya in place. The ancestors of most modern-day muslims converted for financial reasons - they were essentially forced.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

Agreed. A lot of people are misled when they rely on religion rather than their own reasoning abilities. This includes people from all religious groups, but in my honest opinion, a disproportionately large number of them are Muslims.

It greatly annoys me. The world would be better off with no religion at all if all people do is blindly follow some ancient books. :rolleyes:
Get rid of vedas?

[foreverconfused]

I never once mentioned modern day forced conversions. In any case, if you're going strictly by % increase, then Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the world [again, not that it matters, since this isn't a pissing contest]; the fastest growing religion would be Wiccan, with Islam and Evangelical Christianity being close seconds.

It's really pointless discussing the rate at which religion spreads.

Is it really relevant how fast Islam is spreading? Naziism spread fairly rapidly in WWII Germany as well. No one really praises that as a good political ideology.

[foreverconfused]

Get rid of vedas?

I really don't care at this point.

I think a world full of atheists would be far better than a world full of religious extremists, and a lot of followers of the Quran are fanatics. Get rid of these books and stop this indoctrination.

[Space-Cowboy]

It's really pointless discussing the rate at which religion spreads.

Is it really relevant how fast Islam is spreading? Naziism spread fairly rapidly in WWII Germany as well. No one really praises that as a good political ideology.

I agree. It is turning into a pissing contest and a textbook case of Ad-Populum.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

I never once mentioned modern day forced conversions. In any case, if you're going strictly by % increase, then Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the world [again, not that it matters, since this isn't a pissing contest]; the fastest growing religion would be Wiccan, with Islam and Evangelical Christianity being close seconds.
nor do i give a fuck.If people want to have three religions,they can.My point if most of the hindus are so paranoid with conversions nowadays they should look at what the problem is within, rather than blaming it on other religions.We r not forcing anybody (as u r pretty sure that in today's world nobody can be forced leave northamerica even in southasian countries no one is forced to accept anything)..

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

I really don't care at this point.

I think a world full of atheists would be far better than a world full of religious extremists, and a lot of followers of the Quran are fanatics.
Get rid of vedas?

[foreverconfused]

Get rid of vedas?

as long as the quran disappears from the world and never resurfaces.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

Even scholars agree that most of the conversions in South Asia happened due to the jizya in place. The ancestors of most modern muslims converted for financial reasons - they were essentially forced.
how old r u?.Did u read what he said.The fastest conversions IN US.We r talking about conversions of today not about ancestors.Fuck ppl need to learn how to read

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

as long as the quran disappears from the world and never resurfaces.
Get rid of vedas and gita?

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

ok this is getting out of hand,fuck i have hindu friends and nor do i care about religion in general,I can't believe i got into this stupid debate with a bunch of 19 year old morons

[Space-Cowboy]

I really don't care at this point.

I think a world full of atheists would be far better than a world full of religious extremists, and a lot of followers of the Quran are fanatics.

See here's the other thing many followers of non-Eastern traditions don't understand. In Abrahamic faiths, so much importance is put on the holy book itself as it is supposedly the spoken word of God/Allah/El/etc. In Eastern/Karmic traditions, you could go out an get rid of all of the Vedas, the Gita, the Tripitaka, Granth Sahib, Jaina Sutras, etc. and it wouldn't make a difference because the knowledge would still be there. And as long as the knowledge is there, that's really pretty much all that matters: you can burn books, you can't burn an idea.

Vedic Philosophy has lasted far longer than the Vedas. And the oral tradition of the Vedas has lasted far longer than the written texts. In fact, most Eastern spiritualities follow an oral tradition before the philosophies were written down. Destroying a few books won't make a dent in Eastern society by a long shot.

[foreverconfused]

Get rid of vedas and gita?

Of course I would rather have a world without the vedas and the gita if we could get rid of the Quran, and all other religious texts.

I have faith in human reasoning, intellect, and logic.

All of that does NOT come from any book, it comes from within. Books, as evidenced by world events, have the potential to be corrupted and lead followers astray.

Human beings will be fine without any religious texts.

[foreverconfused]

ok this is getting out of hand,fuck i have hindu friends and nor do i care about religion in general,I can't believe i got into this stupid debate with a bunch of 19 year old morons

Aren't you a 19 year old moron?

[Space-Cowboy]

nor do i give a fuck.If people want to have three religions,they can.My point if most of the hindus are so paranoid with conversions nowadays they should look at what the problem is within, rather than blaming it on other religions.We r not forcing anybody (as u r pretty sure that in today's world nobody can be forced leave northamerica even in southasian countries no one is forced to accept anything)..

Most Hindus are NOT paranoid about conversions into Islam. As I said in my previous post on the last page, the majority of the converts from brahminism... usually convert to Buddhism... or simply sects of Hinduism which follow proper Sanatani [proper Hinduism].


In fact, if you want to talk about paranoia, the biggest group of people paranoid about people converting to Islam don't come from the East. Rather they come from your biggest "competition": Evangelical Christianity.

[foreverconfused]

how old r u?.Did u read what he said.The fastest conversions IN US.We r talking about conversions of today not about ancestors.Fuck ppl need to learn how to read

I'm probably older than you.

And the previous posters in this thread (to whom you were referring) were talking about forced conversions in the past.

And they weren't wrong.

[notoriou$punjabi]

What’s more worrisome is that 99% of the idiots posting in this thread perceive difference as a reason for conflict.


The above statement now covers atleast 80% of the idiots under the rule of Islam. Were there not wars, loot & rape every 50 years since the Islamic revolution ? The flag followed the Sword & not otherwise. Swords are not necessary when spreading beauty.

Faith in Allah does not conclude the rest are kafirs. Nor does it teach only Arabs are privileged. This is the taste you get once you've studied the effects of following that very flag. There have been for the last 800 years infiltrations by Islamic rulers & settlements for the past 500 in south-east Asia.


Has it brought peace yet ?

When exactly can we expect women to have equal rights as men ? God granted everyone the right to live free. If that is so then why the advantage over women? Which i am sure you cannot disagree with or would want to.

There can never be a woman president in the middle east. Simply because women & cattle have somewhat the same value.

I might be rude of simply asking a harsh question but the facts remain that till date there hasn't been one conflict that hasn't been caused due to religious sentiments in the middle east.

Panchatantras carried beautiful stories, morals & insight. I cannot convert you, force you or teach you anything by the sword. LEarning should be natural because that is the way it functions. How many exams can you pass if i'd change your major by force. You might learn due to fear but it isn't what you'll want to do with all your heart.

Women are not a possesion.

[notoriou$punjabi]

In this climate of fear and distrust, you people need to be reminded how much spiritual heritage you share -.

Greedy money makers feed on blind followers nowdays. With nuclear arsenals they prevail over other nations. Do you speak the tune they can benefit from ? Or at the cost of some hurdles do you counter their exsistence?

[desi_uk]

Non of you can talk coz none of you (the ones that love to argue for the sake of it) are practicing your religion 100% once you follow your religion 100% and become a fundamental then you have grounds to talk about this
until then i suggest you all shut it because most of you sound like twats

p.s anyone replies to this is a twat too

[desi_uk]

The above statement now covers atleast 80% of the idiots under the rule of Islam. Were there not wars, loot & rape every 50 years since the Islamic revolution ? The flag followed the Sword & not otherwise. Swords are not necessary when spreading beauty.

Faith in Allah does not conclude the rest are kafirs. Nor does it teach only Arabs are privileged. This is the taste you get once you've studied the effects of following that very flag. There have been for the last 800 years infiltrations by Islamic rulers & settlements for the past 500 in south-east Asia.


Has it brought peace yet ?

When exactly can we expect women to have equal rights as men ? God granted everyone the right to live free. If that is so then why the advantage over women? Which i am sure you cannot disagree with or would want to.

There can never be a woman president in the middle east. Simply because women & cattle have somewhat the same value.

I might be rude of simply asking a harsh question but the facts remain that till date there hasn't been one conflict that hasn't been caused due to religious sentiments in the middle east.

Panchatantras carried beautiful stories, morals & insight. I cannot convert you, force you or teach you anything by the sword. LEarning should be natural because that is the way it functions. How many exams can you pass if i'd change your major by force. You might learn due to fear but it isn't what you'll want to do with all your heart.

Women are not a possesion.
your a prime example

[sikhndconquer]

its quality not qauntity that matters

[notoriou$punjabi]

Non of you can talk coz none of you (the ones that love to argue for the sake of it) are practicing your religion 100% once you follow your religion 100% and become a fundamental then you have grounds to talk about this
until then i suggest you all shut it because most of you sound like twats

p.s anyone replies to this is a twat too
but mohamad insisted none after him will be as lucky.

so thats just bs foryou

[desi_shawrty]

What are the arguments about in this thread now??

[Street_Scholar]

Only proves to me there's something like 4 billion idiots breathing and living on earth expanding natural resources of the earth, and emitting carbon emissions into the atmosphere. And only a handful of them will contribute anything valuable to scientific discovery, and even those will most likely be closest atheists.

[jumpn jza]

Ok muslims, time to say something i've been wanting to say for ages. Just because your religion is the fastest growing in the world doesn't really add any credibility to it.

It's like the pop music charts; just because some mediocre "12 year old girls think i'm deep" corporate-slut-cornball made it in the top ten...doesn't mean he has talent.

Just saying that there's no real correlation between mass-appeal and credibility.

For-Example.
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/6244/massappealvscredibilitymu6.jpg