Is Islam Todays Most Dangerous Religion?

[hakuna-matata]

There have been alot of religious wars throughout history.

The Christians and Muslims had the Crusades. Catholics and Protestants had the French Wars of Religion. Catholics and Calvinism took sides in the Thirty Year War. Japan and China fought in the Second Sino-Japanese War which became a sort of religious war.

And there are many many more all through history involving all religions.

But nowadays Islam seems to be the only one left killing people for their beliefs, or at least the only one we hear about in the news. Is Islam the most dangerous religion of our generation?

[pagal_guju]

50 pages?

[hakuna-matata]

50 pages?

I'm not trying to instigate anything, just want to hear everyones views.

[southystyle]

50 pages?
junked..?

[LAKERFAN8]

Yea pretty much.

[pagal_guju]

I'm not trying to instigate anything, just want to hear everyones views.
well this is RD :lol:

[musicchic33]

*flame flame flame*

[southystyle]

all i know is Pastafarianism is pretty freaking dangerous

[xogirlie girlxo]

You know I love the timing of this thread.

[Sharp]

But nowadays Islam seems to be the only one left killing people for their beliefs, or at least the only one we hear about in the news.

Where exactly is Islam "killing people for their beliefs"?

This is a good topic, just hope it dont go like most of the other religious threads! We should discuss religions, with out being shallow and close minded.....

[musicchic33]

SHORE AS HECK AINT US JEWS!

[eshwaar]

religion is not a dangerous thing...its not a dangerous concept, muchless a dangerous belief..........the danger is taking that belief and becoming a fanatic......throughout history people have taken religion and twist to suit there own belief stucture, but if they could understand that u cannot take somthing as powerfull as religion and twist it, then u you would understand what religion reallly is

[dayven]

SHORE AS HECK AINT US JEWS!


:werd:

[xogirlie girlxo]

SHORE AS HECK AINT US JEWS!
rofl.

[hakuna-matata]

I'll brb to attend to this thread (once I get this drunk girl off the phone *sigh*)

[kucchnahi]

I can't sleep because of a migraine and I came to escape it. And yet, this thread does nothing for me besides making me feel slightly queasy. I'm sure this thread will give you a lot of pages of flaming. But I once had a blog in which I had written an entry, which might not be wholly relevant which should answer the implicit wariness of Muslims and Islam this thread reeks of. Posting it in a second.

[kucchnahi]

I can't sleep because of a migraine and I came to escape it. And yet, this thread does nothing for me besides making me feel slightly queasy. I'm sure this thread will give you a lot of pages of flaming. But I once had a blog in which I had written an entry, which might not be wholly relevant which should answer the implicit wariness of Muslims and Islam this thread reeks of. Posting it in a second.

Dear Readers:

Fears change as we grow; but the nature of fear never changes. Fear is an irrationality that most people cannot explain to themselves or others. Though the Quran says that we should fear only God, most people experience fear over things other than the Almighty’s power and His undeniable hold on our lives.

Ever since the media has started perpetuating the worst possible image of Islam, Americans have lived in a state of unrelenting fear concerning Muslims. They do not want another September 11th tragedy to occur and seek protection from those that they are afraid will harm the United States. I understand the fear, but I must know. Will you let the actions of a few speak for and represent me as a Muslim? I am a dutiful daughter, a loving sister, a loyal friend, and a diligent student.

I stand before you and openly condemn the abomination committed by the hijackers that fateful day. But to most Americans, I am still one of them. But I am not a terrorist. Do you want me to grovel for the mistakes that I did not commit? I readily will do that. Do you want me to suffer? I am suffering. But you will not find peace of mind unless you let go of your fear of me. I am one of you. Please accept that I have a heart in my bosom, that I bleed the same color you do when I get hurt, that even I get frustrated with a bad nose congestion. I too have good days and bad days. I am not any different than you. But more importantly, I could be your daughter, your sister, your friend, or your student. And I know I am not. But I could be. And just in case, I accidentally run into you, I promise to smile so that you will know that we share and speak the same language of humanity.


Sincerely
_______________



This entry was written over two years ago in a blog that I had. And I blanked out the name of my psuedonym that I had in which place is a line now after sincerely.

[xogirlie girlxo]

I can't sleep because of a migraine and I came to escape it. And yet, this thread does nothing for me besides making me feel slightly queasy. I'm sure this thread will give you a lot of pages of flaming. But I once had a blog in which I had written an entry, which might not be wholly relevant which should answer the implicit wariness of Muslims and Islam this thread reeks of. Posting it in a second.
Dont its ok, hum dono baatein karenge

[sheena1623]

:no:

[BadFingerBoogie]

Dear Readers:

Fears change as we grow; but the nature of fear never changes. Fear is an irrationality that most people cannot explain to themselves or others. Though the Quran says that we should fear only God, most people experience fear over things other than the Almighty’s power and His undeniable hold on our lives.

Ever since the media has started perpetuating the worst possible image of Islam, Americans have lived in a state of unrelenting fear concerning Muslims. They do not want another September 11th tragedy to occur and seek protection from those that they are afraid will harm the United States. I understand the fear, but I must know. Will you let the actions of a few speak for and represent me as a Muslim? I am a dutiful daughter, a loving sister, a loyal friend, and a diligent student.

I stand before you and openly condemn the abomination committed by the hijackers that fateful day. But to most Americans, I am still one of them. But I am not a terrorist. Do you want me to grovel for the mistakes that I did not commit? I readily will do that. Do you want me to suffer? I am suffering. But you will not find peace of mind unless you let go of your fear of me. I am one of you. Please accept that I have a heart in my bosom, that I bleed the same color you do when I get hurt, that even I get frustrated with a bad nose congestion. I too have good days and bad days. I am not any different than you. But more importantly, I could be your daughter, your sister, your friend, or your student. And I know I am not. But I could be. And just in case, I accidentally run into you, I promise to smile so that you will know that we share and speak the same language of humanity.


Sincerely
_______________



This entry was written over two years ago in a blog that I had. And I blanked out the name of my psuedonym that I had in which place is a line now after sincerely.

you are naive, little girl

you don't understand the world just yet

it's not that easy

[kucchnahi]

Dont its ok, hum dono baatein karenge

I wonder if I have the energy. Probably not today. Later, dudette, some other time. Right now, I can't really think. But thanks. I will take you up on that offer sometime.

[xogirlie girlxo]

I wonder if I have the energy. Probably not today. Later, dudette, some other time. Right now, I can't really think. But thanks. I will take you up on that offer sometime.
Acha khuda hafiz.

[cococrisp]

:no:

[kucchnahi]

you are naive, little girl

you don't understand the world just yet

it's not that easy

It doesn't have to be that difficult either. :idea:

Yesterday I saw a play which was all about how we, Muslims, are the evil guys of this world. You know what makes me sick? What makes me sick is knowing that there are people who think that we are the enemy even before we get a chance to prove them wrong. I can't fight fear or ghosts, only points.

[southystyle]

Dear Readers:

Fears change as we grow; but the nature of fear never changes. Fear is an irrationality that most people cannot explain to themselves or others. Though the Quran says that we should fear only God, most people experience fear over things other than the Almighty’s power and His undeniable hold on our lives.

Ever since the media has started perpetuating the worst possible image of Islam, Americans have lived in a state of unrelenting fear concerning Muslims. They do not want another September 11th tragedy to occur and seek protection from those that they are afraid will harm the United States. I understand the fear, but I must know. Will you let the actions of a few speak for and represent me as a Muslim? I am a dutiful daughter, a loving sister, a loyal friend, and a diligent student.

I stand before you and openly condemn the abomination committed by the hijackers that fateful day. But to most Americans, I am still one of them. But I am not a terrorist. Do you want me to grovel for the mistakes that I did not commit? I readily will do that. Do you want me to suffer? I am suffering. But you will not find peace of mind unless you let go of your fear of me. I am one of you. Please accept that I have a heart in my bosom, that I bleed the same color you do when I get hurt, that even I get frustrated with a bad nose congestion. I too have good days and bad days. I am not any different than you. But more importantly, I could be your daughter, your sister, your friend, or your student. And I know I am not. But I could be. And just in case, I accidentally run into you, I promise to smile so that you will know that we share and speak the same language of humanity.


Sincerely
_______________



This entry was written over two years ago in a blog that I had. And I blanked out the name of my psuedonym that I had in which place is a line now after sincerely.

shut up terrorist.

[xogirlie girlxo]

you are naive, little girl

you don't understand the world just yet

it's not that easy
Y u gotta rain on another mans parade badfingerbooger?

[kucchnahi]

shut up terrorist.

Thanks.

[eshwaar]

It doesn't have to be that difficult either. :idea:

Yesterday I saw a play which was all about how we, Muslims, are the evil guys of this world. You know what makes me sick? What makes me sick is knowing that there are people who think that we are the enemy even before we get a chance to prove them wrong. I can't fight fear or ghosts, only points.
so i guess we just figured out the reason for this thread and your long essays

[kucchnahi]

so i guess we just figured out the reason for this thread and your long essays

Excuse me for being quite slow as it is late and I can't sleep. What do you mean, do you mind explaining?

[eshwaar]

Excuse me for being quite slow as it is late and I can't sleep. What do you mean, do you mind explaining?
well....you said yesterday you saw a play dipicting muslims and evils people, and well that obiously offended you.....so here you are venting you agravation and frustration......read what you wrote for yourself if you dont belive me

[hakuna-matata]

In my opinion, any religion is dangerous when the faithful adamantly try to impose their philosophy upon the rest of humanity. I'm sure there are fanatics in most religions today "killing people for their beliefs".

[BadFingerBoogie]

Y u gotta rain on another mans parade badfingerbooger?

she knows i'm right, doll.

[_true_definition]

There have been alot of religious wars throughout history.

The Christians and Muslims had the Crusades. Catholics and Protestants had the French Wars of Religion. Catholics and Calvinism took sides in the Thirty Year War. Japan and China fought in the Second Sino-Japanese War which became a sort of religious war.

And there are many many more all through history involving all religions.

But nowadays Islam seems to be the only one left killing people for their beliefs, or at least the only one we hear about in the news. Is Islam the most dangerous religion of our generation?
look at the jews and christians, they're killing people too and we know about it. look at palestine and iraq. by the way islam, christianity and judaism is basically the same thing but spun around a little and its had us fooled for years. its a way for the powers that be to manipulate us and they have been doing so for thousands of years...

[sheena1623]

I'm not Muslim, but I love this song. :love:

Lupe Fiasco - Muhammad Walks
TSIkgRLdWYQ

[kucchnahi]

well....you said yesterday you saw a play dipicting muslims and evils people, and well that obiously offended you.....so here you are venting you agravation and frustration......

Lol, I'm not venting anything. I'll admit I was saddened for a bit by the play (which I had even forgotten until I saw this thread). So, buddy, you underestimate how many times I have seen drivel repeated in the media. I'm no longer offended; in some ways, I'm immune and am only surprised when I hear its opposite. In other ways, however, I am just also tired of this BS. You don't know because (guessing here) you are not a Muslim fighting fears or ghosts of the past. Until you can walk in a mile in my shoes or anyone else's, don't judge me, buddy. It will gain you nothing.

[PakiRican]

:rofl:

[LAKERFAN8]

Honestly though I have seen how state run propaganda machines have made stories and stuff up. Case in point 84 Punjab. I mean look what we are fed by some quarters of the western media about Iraq, 'omgz must kill da sepratists, oh sorry that was not a civilian it was a muzzy fundy' .

I don't think Islam is a dangerous religion per se, the people who use it for their benefit and don't mine killing innocent people, thats what I think is really dangerous. And lets face it, seems to me most of the armed violence around the world usually has one combatant using Islam perversely like that.

[OneSignataNach]

all i know is Pastafarianism is pretty freaking dangerous

Ramen

[Chronos]

dangerous for our generation? you mean the generation of the iPod and reality tv? the generation of spiraling debts and high-rise condos? the generation of freely available porn for the masses? this is the generation of the fuck-it-all global charlatan and anything that goes against that grain will be scary.

Islam's core teachings are austere, and unsurprisingly go directly against much of the self-destructive ways of today's world. they are meant to help you out of the shackles of the world and its deviances, but ironically this message has been muddled, adulterated and forgotten by many Muslims themselves, much to their own chagrin.

no, Islam is not dangerous for your health, but anyone--not just a Muslim--who is pissed off and harboring a myopic and vehement opinion might be.

[eshwaar]

Lol, I'm not venting anything. I'll admit I was saddened for a bit by the play (which I had even forgotten until I saw this thread). So, buddy, you underestimate how many times I have seen drivel repeated in the media. I'm no longer offended; in some ways, I'm immune and am only surprised when I hear its opposite. In other ways, however, I am just also tired of this BS. You don't know because (guessing here) you are not a Muslim fighting fears or ghosts of the past. Until you can walk in a mile in my shoes or anyone else's, don't judge me, buddy. It will gain you nothing.
wow....lol.... this is funny...but anyway getting back to the argument.........your venting, you looking for a argument....all im trying to say its okay to be mad and feel passionat about somthin, and for the record im not muslim, i am a hindu,and yes i do understand what ur are trying to say, why u might ask, well its cause when u dont look at religion with any distinction at all, only then you could understand what religion is ment to be...sorry but you have alot to learn, and by the way i was taught that by a muslim sufi...whom i have great respect for.....sorry but you still have alot to learn.......

[crzyabcd]

muslim girls are quiet attractive. lol even though this isn relevant to the topic.

[hakuna-matata]

dangerous for our generation? you mean the generation of the iPod and reality tv? the generation of spiraling debts and high-rise condos? the generation of freely available porn for the masses? this is the generation of the fuck-it-all global charlatan and anything that goes against that grain will be scary.

Islam's core teachings are austere, and unsurprisingly go directly against much of the self-destructive ways of today's world. they are meant to help you out of the shackles of the world and its deviances, but ironically this message has been muddled, adulterated and forgotten by many Muslims themselves, much to their own chagrin.

no, Islam is not dangerous for your health, but anyone--not just a Muslim--who is pissed off and harboring a myopic and vehement opinion might be.

Do you think that there might be something wrong with the way Islam is being interpreted by Muslims themselves?

[Shariq16]

SHORE AS HECK AINT US JEWS!
yea because Israelis killing palestinians isn't dangerous at all... :rolleyes:

[southystyle]

Do you think that there might be something wrong with the way Islam is being interpreted by Muslims themselves?
well i think fundamentalists have taken a few lines or paragraphs from the Quran and blown them way out of proportion, while disregarding the rest of the teachings

[hakuna-matata]

well i think fundamentalists have taken a few lines or paragraphs from the Quran and blown them way out of proportion, while disregarding the rest of the teachings

So there is a problem with the way in which Islam is preached/taught?

[jattniz_chuttni]

I feel like stirring shit tonight!

[hakuna-matata]

I feel like stirring shit tonight!

Please lets try keep this thread civil.

[BKnight]

dangerous for our generation? you mean the generation of the iPod and reality tv? the generation of spiraling debts and high-rise condos? the generation of freely available porn for the masses? this is the generation of the fuck-it-all global charlatan and anything that goes against that grain will be scary.

Islam's core teachings are austere, and unsurprisingly go directly against much of the self-destructive ways of today's world. they are meant to help you out of the shackles of the world and its deviances, but ironically this message has been muddled, adulterated and forgotten by many Muslims themselves, much to their own chagrin.

no, Islam is not dangerous for your health, but anyone--not just a Muslim--who is pissed off and harboring a myopic and vehement opinion might be.

Nice, simple and an apt reply. I was going to enlighten this God forsaken thread with my ultimate reply, but this one will do.

[hakuna-matata]

Nice, simple and an apt reply. I was going to enlighten this God forsaken thread with my ultimate reply, but this one will do.

I know our generation has gone astray, and what we do in our daily lives conflict with all religions - not only Islam.

I don't want to sound blunt, but whats with Islam and all these wars?

[Madrion]

Dear Readers:

Fears change as we grow; but the nature of fear never changes. Fear is an irrationality that most people cannot explain to themselves or others. Though the Quran says that we should fear only God, most people experience fear over things other than the Almighty’s power and His undeniable hold on our lives.

Ever since the media has started perpetuating the worst possible image of Islam, Americans have lived in a state of unrelenting fear concerning Muslims. They do not want another September 11th tragedy to occur and seek protection from those that they are afraid will harm the United States. I understand the fear, but I must know. Will you let the actions of a few speak for and represent me as a Muslim? I am a dutiful daughter, a loving sister, a loyal friend, and a diligent student.

I stand before you and openly condemn the abomination committed by the hijackers that fateful day. But to most Americans, I am still one of them. But I am not a terrorist. Do you want me to grovel for the mistakes that I did not commit? I readily will do that. Do you want me to suffer? I am suffering. But you will not find peace of mind unless you let go of your fear of me. I am one of you. Please accept that I have a heart in my bosom, that I bleed the same color you do when I get hurt, that even I get frustrated with a bad nose congestion. I too have good days and bad days. I am not any different than you. But more importantly, I could be your daughter, your sister, your friend, or your student. And I know I am not. But I could be. And just in case, I accidentally run into you, I promise to smile so that you will know that we share and speak the same language of humanity.


Sincerely
_______________



For the pure honesty presented in this post, I shall try to answer some of the apprehension, fear and dislike of us non-Muslims of the workings of Islam.

Islam means to submit. To be a Muslim is to believe each and every single verse in the Koran. Many disagree on the other requirements such as the belief in the Surah, Mohammad being the last prophet and other such details but all unequivocally agree to the supreme authority of the Koran. It then bodes for to present my case, as I propose to make, by examining this most tenet of Islamic truths.

You have claimed to disavow yourself from the many terrorist activities of Islamic Fundamentalists and rightly so as I firmly believe that you are a law-abiding citizen of whichever country you reside in. However, this does not abdicate you completely since the Koran read by the Islamic fundamentalists and the Koran read by you is one and the same.

In such a scenario, verses in the Koran of extreme violence, while may be argued to be taken out of context by the fundamentalists, nonetheless promotes hatred and disunity. Islam does not recognize any other religion and clearly states that non-muslims will go to hell.

It can then be easily understood why there would be fundamentalists who will take this to the extreme and resort to genocide in their aim for the rule of Islam over the world. While you do NOT harbor such thoughts, nonetheless you do believe in the Koran and the basic ideas I stated above. It is no coincidence that Islam breeds the greatest amount of extremism due to the violent insinuation inherent in the Koran. While Islam COULD be interpreted to be peaceful, the verses of inequality, of violence and of genocide have no place in the modern society and until you DENOUNCE outright such verses, it is difficult for us to view you in a light ANYTHING other than apprehension.

However, here is your problem. Denouncing ANY part of the Koran is absolutely against the very TENETS Islam was founded on: submission to the will of Allah, spoken through the Koran. This is why I do NOT expect you to denounce parts of Koran. This is why I do not believe that Islam can ever be co-existent with the society at large.

[Space-Cowboy]

dangerous for our generation? you mean the generation of the iPod and reality tv? the generation of spiraling debts and high-rise condos? the generation of freely available porn for the masses? this is the generation of the fuck-it-all global charlatan and anything that goes against that grain will be scary.

Actually, relatively speaking, general level of debt is lower than what it was a few centuries ago. As is the general standard of living. Quite better than 700 C.E. actually.

As for porn being available for the masses; people are free to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home as long as it does not infringe on the rights and happiness of others. Expect that there are people whose morals, neither superior nor inferior, are different from yours.



Islam's core teachings are austere, and unsurprisingly go directly against much of the self-destructive ways of today's world.


Define self-destructive. Again, this is subjective and morally relative.

[PRCIV]

Islam has killed more "kafirs" than all other religions combined. Truly an evil religion.

[musicchic33]

yea because Israelis killing palestinians isn't dangerous at all... :rolleyes:
werd, QFT

[-Ziad-]

I know our generation has gone astray, and what we do in our daily lives conflict with all religions - not only Islam.

I don't want to sound blunt, but whats with Islam and all these wars?:lol:

Yes Islams totally the one wiping off Afghanistan, Iraq , and Palestine off the map. Not the world powers.

There is a reason why 'some' people are pissed.

[captain storm]

I know our generation has gone astray, and what we do in our daily lives conflict with all religions - not only Islam.

I don't want to sound blunt, but whats with Islam and all these wars?

ISLAM AND WARS!! by any chance are you suggesting the wars that Muslim have been involved in, some how is the fault of the Muslims?? if you do, would you mind naming a few?

Maybe all 9 Crusade wars? or maybe Anglo-Afghan wars?? or how about suppression and forceful control of Chechnya? or maybe Palestine since 1946?? how about the war in Balkans in which over 200 000 Muslims were killed in 1990s? if you have any more in mind feel free to share and i will be more than happy to discuss them with you and make you understand that we are peaceful religion but respect towards religion/humanity/honor means everything to Muslims..mess around with that and we have Iraq today and Afghanistan's mess of over 20 years. We Muslims haven't done ourselves any favors either recently with some of us accepting our puppet governments and others by using our religion for personal gains such as Mr. Bin Laden.

[malkeet]

im pretty sure all islamic people want everyone in the world to be islamic. One of their fundamental beliefs is in performing "duar" converting others to islam. unfortunately they regard all non muslims as kaffirs, whom they wouldnt consider as equals in society.

The majority of muslims ive met have a lot of intollerance towards jews,i have yet to meet a muslim whom doesnt hate jewish people.Even those muslims i would regard as being not at all religious, still hate jews. now, this in itself shows how united all muslims are across the world. because of the palistine issue, all muslims throughout the world see this as jewish isrealis vs islam.

unfortunately, there are many verses in the quran which can be used to support the killing of innocent non muslim people. thus throughout history, islamic nations have waged war and converted via the sword.

now i am not saying anything which people dont already know. I guess the only question is what can be done to put a stop to this extremism. I think until the vast majority of muslims are able to accept all religions as just different paths to god, and change their mindset that only islam is the path to god, then we shall continue to see religious conflict in the world involving muslims.

It is correct that in the past christians have also had holy wars, the crusades are an example of this. However, the vast majority of christians are more tolerant now of other world religions. The pope himself often speaks of the need for religious unity in the world, and has often held conventions inviting members of all religions. so we no longer see christians killing and converting innocent people as was the case during the crusades.

i have not intended to upset any1, im just trying to answer the initial posters question.

[ViGiLaNtE-X]

There have been alot of religious wars throughout history.

The Christians and Muslims had the Crusades. Catholics and Protestants had the French Wars of Religion. Catholics and Calvinism took sides in the Thirty Year War. Japan and China fought in the Second Sino-Japanese War which became a sort of religious war.

And there are many many more all through history involving all religions.

But nowadays Islam seems to be the only one left killing people for their beliefs, or at least the only one we hear about in the news. Is Islam the most dangerous religion of our generation?


the bottom line is ppl feel threatened by islam and not the other way around. So we are villified for our belief and protrayed as the bad guys, when all we want is total world domination and to convert every man, woman and child.

[di vinci]

Islam has killed more "kafirs" than all other religions combined. Truly an evil religion.
actually it has been chritianity if u ever read any of your history books... north american indians.. africans.. native australians.. they have had more religious wars then islam has ever had in its life time.

[doaly69]

Bhudist Monks will fuck ur ass up :rambo:

[di vinci]

Bhudist Monks will fuck ur ass up :rambo:
i bet u would love getting it up the bum

[Shariq16]

actually it has been chritianity if u ever read any of your history books... north american indians.. africans.. native australians.. they have had more religious wars then islam has ever had in its life time.
u forgot to include the halocaust (sp?)..
Hitler himself said the killing of the jews was based on his christian religious views.

[Shariq16]

werd, QFT
:wavey: thank u

[doaly69]

i bet u would love getting it up the bum

i already get it up the ass on a monthly basis

its pretty good

i only do it once a month cuz i wana keep my asshole as tight as a drum none of that windsock style ass ring :no:

u knw u dig it too

[di vinci]

u forgot to include the halocaust (sp?)..
Hitler himself said the killing of the jews was based on his christian religious views.
im 110% sure muslim were responsible for that hindeous crime.. who is that barbaric to torture a whole race of people just becuase of their beleifs.. muslim act of horror(the above statement was sarcasm for the weirdo who dont get the pun)

[di vinci]

i already get it up the ass on a monthly basis

its pretty good

i only do it once a month cuz i wana keep my asshole as tight as a drum none of that windsock style ass ring :no:

u knw u dig it tooim giving up homoism for shaddi soon.. i cant be chasing dick all my life

[Shariq16]

For the pure honesty presented in this post, I shall try to answer some of the apprehension, fear and dislike of us non-Muslims of the workings of Islam.

Islam means to submit. To be a Muslim is to believe each and every single verse in the Koran. Many disagree on the other requirements such as the belief in the Surah, Mohammad being the last prophet and other such details but all unequivocally agree to the supreme authority of the Koran. It then bodes for to present my case, as I propose to make, by examining this most tenet of Islamic truths.

You have claimed to disavow yourself from the many terrorist activities of Islamic Fundamentalists and rightly so as I firmly believe that you are a law-abiding citizen of whichever country you reside in. However, this does not abdicate you completely since the Koran read by the Islamic fundamentalists and the Koran read by you is one and the same.

In such a scenario, verses in the Koran of extreme violence, while may be argued to be taken out of context by the fundamentalists, nonetheless promotes hatred and disunity. Islam does not recognize any other religion and clearly states that non-muslims will go to hell.

It can then be easily understood why there would be fundamentalists who will take this to the extreme and resort to genocide in their aim for the rule of Islam over the world. While you do NOT harbor such thoughts, nonetheless you do believe in the Koran and the basic ideas I stated above. It is no coincidence that Islam breeds the greatest amount of extremism due to the violent insinuation inherent in the Koran. While Islam COULD be interpreted to be peaceful, the verses of inequality, of violence and of genocide have no place in the modern society and until you DENOUNCE outright such verses, it is difficult for us to view you in a light ANYTHING other than apprehension.

However, here is your problem. Denouncing ANY part of the Koran is absolutely against the very TENETS Islam was founded on: submission to the will of Allah, spoken through the Koran. This is why I do NOT expect you to denounce parts of Koran. This is why I do not believe that Islam can ever be co-existent with the society at large.
yer fuckin ridiculous...have u not heard of "the people of the book?".. Islam DOES recognize Jews and Christians as people of the book, and does believe that those that do not commit SHIRK have a shot at heaven...seeing as they are worshipping the same god, they do have a chance at heaven...this statement proves u clearly don't know shit about Islam, and u wrote a false fuckin essay about it...
so :thumbdow:
also, speaking of the true teachings of the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Mohammad.. how can u say Islam cannot coexist in society as a large, when the Quran teaches Muslims to coexist in peace with those of other religions...
know your facts before you preach... cuz if u actually knew anything about Islam, It preaches a peaceful way of life...
kthnxbye.

[doaly69]

im giving up homoism for shaddi soon.. i cant be chasing dick all my life


let the dick chase after u my love :eyebrow:

[di vinci]

let the dick chase after u my love :eyebrow:
i alwayys been the fucker im not a taker

[Shariq16]

im 110% sure muslim were responsible for that hindeous crime.. who is that barbaric to torture a whole race of people just becuase of their beleifs.. muslim act of horror(the above statement was sarcasm for the weirdo who dont get the pun)
lol...not gonna lie, i got pretty heated, then i read the fine-print..lol..seriously though, there are hella people that feel that way, especially on this site...my god, desi's are hella ignorant when it comes to another group of desis that are a little different then themselves...and so many put the other down as a way to say to the white guy, look we are better then them or more like u guys because.."we aren't muslim," or "we don't wear turbans," or, "We aren't vegetarians,"...fucking unite and stand up for eachother, because i can tell u, in the eyes of the average white guy, "we are all the same," ...in their eyes, we're all "sand-n**ers," "terrorists," "working at the neighborhood convenient store,"..so how about, we think like them, and say "we're all the same," and stand up for eachother, we'll never move ahead in this world if we don't...

[desi_shawrty]

I don't really consider those "dangerous" people to be muslim

Not only do they not practice the religion right but they go against and do not believe the most important points of islam. They go against everything the prophet muhammad said and the holy book.

Besides believing in one god and the prophet muhammad to be the last one, they don't do or believe anything else.

They think they're following the religion of Islam but it's actually another made up religion that they couldn't find another name for.

[di vinci]

lol...not gonna lie, i got pretty heated, then i read the fine-print..lol..seriously though, there are hella people that feel that way, especially on this site...my god, desi's are hella ignorant when it comes to another group of desis that are a little different then themselves...and so many put the other down as a way to say to the white guy, look we are better then them or more like u guys because.."we aren't muslim," or "we don't wear turbans," or, "We aren't vegetarians,"...fucking unite and stand up for eachother, because i can tell u, in the eyes of the average white guy, "we are all the same," ...in their eyes, we're all "sand-n**ers," "terrorists," "working at the neighborhood convenient store,"..so how about, we think like them, and say "we're all the same," and stand up for eachother, we'll never move ahead in this world if we don't...most white ppl will get along with you as long as they know ur not muslim.. sooon as they know u are they get a little edgy towards u.. i find that out in my work place.. guyz iv known since i was 16 act so differant when they klnow im a nmuslim

[doaly69]

i alwayys been the fucker im not a taker

i shall see u nxt month then :Pelvic2:

[di vinci]

I don't really consider those "dangerous" people to be muslim

Not only do they not practice the religion right but they go against and do not believe the most important points of islam. They go against everything the prophet muhammad said and the holy book.

Besides believing in one god and the prophet muhammad to be the last one, they don't do or believe anything else.

They think they're following the religion of Islam but it's actually another made up religion that they couldn't find another name for.
exactly

these ppl dont even follow the requirements of a war in islam.

do not attack women, children, olden men and women or un arm civilians

do not attack animals or crop feilds... the requirements of war in islam.. these people do not follow at all.

[ArTmALik]

WHAT DOES ISLAM MEAN ?IT MEANS PEACE! LET ME EXPLAIN YOU SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM AS A RELIGION .
WHEN YOU ACCEPT ISLAM AS A RELIGION, YOUR FEAR VANISHES, IF YOU BECOME TRUE MUSLIM, YOU ARE NOT SCARED OF ANYTHING SUCH AS LIFE AND DEATH. WHAT REMAINS IN YOUR HEART, IS ONLY THE LOVE FOR THE GOD AND HIS PROPHET(PBHU).YOU SACRIFICE YOUR LIFE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO BECOME A TRUE MUSLIM. ONCE YOU ARE DONE WITH THAT, OTHER THINGS COME SUCH AS YOUR FAMILY, YOUR DUTIES, YOUR WAY OF LIFE AND YOUR SORROUNDINGS.

GOD SAYS THAT IN ISLAM "HE CAN FORGIVE US WHILE NOT FOLLOWINGS HIS DUTIES BUT HE WON'T FORGIVE US IF WE DID NOT FULFILL THE DUTIES FOR THE HUMAN BEING.WHAT ARE THOSE DUTIES ?
* TAKING CARE OF OUR NEIGHBORS ,HELPING POOR PEOPLE, GIVE ZAKAT, NOT TO LIE, NOT TO CHEAT, NOT TO STEAL ,BEHAVING GOOD WITH EVERYONE , NOT BEATING, NO KILLINGS ETC..
IT IS ALSO SAID IT IN QURAN THAT "IF WE KILL ONE INNOCENT HUMAN BEING, WE KILL THE ALL HUMANITY AND IF WE SAVE ONE PERSON'S LIFE, WE SAVE ALL THE HUMANITY .
Now i come to the Islam as a Dangerous religion.
No muslim is affraid of giving his life for the religion of Islam .If you disrespect , if you insult ,if you kill innocent muslims,Every muslim will become like a Bomb.That is what you are affraid and scared of.
MILLIONS OF HINDUS CONVERTED ISLAM IN INDIA ,MILLIONS OF BUDH BECAME MUSLIM IN MALAYSHIA, CHINA,BRUNAI,PHILIPINES AND ETC., MILLIONS OF CHRISTIAN IN WESTERN COUNTRIES BECAME MUSLIM IN BOSINIA, , KOSOVO,ALBANIA ETC , MILLIONS OF RUSSIAN BECAME MUSLIM IN TAJIKSTAN, KAZAKISTAN, AZEERBAIJAN AND ETC.., MILLION OF AFRICAN BECMAE MUSLIMS IN SUDAN, MORROCO, TUNISIA, LIBYA, NEW GINNI, CHAD, AND ETC.. SO TELL ME ONE THING, WHY DID THEY BECAME MUSLIM, WERE THEY THREATEN TO DEATH ?WERE THEY KILLED ?WERE THEY FORCED TO BECOME MULSIM ?WHY DID THEY CHANGED THEIR RELIGIONS ? JUST READ THE HISTORY AND YOU WILL FIND THAT ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY PEACE NOT BY SWORDS. EVERYONE GET JEALOUS OF POPULARITY .ALL THE WARS AGAINST ISLAM WERE STARTED BY OTHERS, AND WHEN IT HAPPENS JIHAD IS A DUTY FOR EVERY MUSLIM BEING .IT HAPPENING SINCE OLD TIMES AND IT HAS NOT STOPPED, YOU PEOPLE NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES.
NOW A DAYS WHAT DID IRAQ DO, WHAT DID SUDAN DO?WHAT DID BOSINIA DO?WHAT DID AFANISTAN DO?WHAT DID PALESTINE DO?WHAT DID LEBANAN DO AND MANY MORE.. SO WHO IS PUTTIN WAR ON ISLAM ?AND NOW IF MUSLIM DONT GET UP AND STAND LIKE A WALL ?WHAT SHOULD THEY DO ?THEY SHOULD LET IT HAPPEN ?THEY SHOULD SEE IT WITH PLEASURE ?THEY SHOULD REMAIN SILENT ?DUDE, IT CANT BE, ITS NOT POSSIBLE, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN, A TIME WILL COME WHEN THE BIGGEST WAR WILL BEGIN..,MUSLIM COUNTRIES WILL BE UNITED AND EVERY TRUE MUSLIM WILL BE GET UP FROM THE SLEEP THEY ARE HAVING .THE TIME IS NOT FAR AWAY, SOONER OR LATER THE WORLD WILL SEE..WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MESS WITH MUSLIM .ISLAM IS NOT ANY DANGEROUS RELIGION..ITS THE RELIGION OF BROTHERHOOD AND PEACE BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MURDERING KIILING AND PUTTING WARS ON MUSLIMS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT REACTION YOU WILL GET.
EVERY ACT HAS A REACTION ,IF I KILL YOUR BROTHER , WHAT WILL U DO ?BUT IN ISLAM IF U KILL INNOCENT MUSLIM FOR THE RELIGION, EVERY MUSLIM WILL COME AFTER YOU. THAT'S WHAT ISLAM IS!!!!
PEACE!

[di vinci]

i shall see u nxt month then :Pelvic2:
i see u next month to wax up this time :Pelvic2:

[desi_shawrty]

exactly

these ppl dont even follow the requirements of a war in islam.

do not attack women, children, olden men and women or un arm civilians

do not attack animals or crop feilds... the requirements of war in islam.. these people do not follow at all.
Not only that, but you're not suppose to have a war for no reason anyways, when you catch another person you're suppose to treat the fairly

Islam was the first religion that gave women equal rights which those "dangerous" people obviously don't. To practice islam you have to get as much education as you can but a lot of them are encouraged to not get any at all. List goes on for ever.....

[Shariq16]

most white ppl will get along with you as long as they know ur not muslim.. sooon as they know u are they get a little edgy towards u.. i find that out in my work place.. guyz iv known since i was 16 act so differant when they klnow im a nmuslim
mm i disagree, i mean, i grew up around all white people, and most people have misconceptions about islam and are very curious about it, so i have to teach it to them, espacially after the media falsehoods...once they're educated, they have your back 100%, well atleast my friends do...but now that i'm in college, it seems people are less ignorant and don't act as surprised that a Muslim actually lives in America..however, i have experianced some ignorance in Fraternities...but its not that bad.

[ArTmALik]

WHAT DOES ISLAM MEAN ?IT MEANS PEACE! LET ME EXPLAIN YOU SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM AS A RELIGION .
WHEN YOU ACCEPT ISLAM AS A RELIGION, YOUR FEAR VANISHES, IF YOU BECOME TRUE MUSLIM, YOU ARE NOT SCARED OF ANYTHING SUCH AS LIFE AND DEATH. WHAT REMAINS IN YOUR HEART, IS ONLY THE LOVE FOR THE GOD AND HIS PROPHET(PBHU).YOU SACRIFICE YOUR LIFE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO BECOME A TRUE MUSLIM. ONCE YOU ARE DONE WITH THAT, OTHER THINGS COME SUCH AS YOUR FAMILY, YOUR DUTIES, YOUR WAY OF LIFE AND YOUR SORROUNDINGS.

GOD SAYS THAT IN ISLAM "HE CAN FORGIVE US WHILE NOT FOLLOWINGS HIS DUTIES BUT HE WON'T FORGIVE US IF WE DID NOT FULFILL THE DUTIES FOR THE HUMAN BEING.WHAT ARE THOSE DUTIES ?
* TAKING CARE OF OUR NEIGHBORS ,HELPING POOR PEOPLE, GIVE ZAKAT, NOT TO LIE, NOT TO CHEAT, NOT TO STEAL ,BEHAVING GOOD WITH EVERYONE , NOT BEATING, NO KILLINGS ETC..
IT IS ALSO SAID IT IN QURAN THAT "IF WE KILL ONE INNOCENT HUMAN BEING, WE KILL THE ALL HUMANITY AND IF WE SAVE ONE PERSON'S LIFE, WE SAVE ALL THE HUMANITY .
Now i come to the Islam as a Dangerous religion.
No muslim is affraid of giving his life for the religion of Islam .If you disrespect , if you insult ,if you kill innocent muslims,Every muslim will become like a Bomb.That is what you are affraid and scared of.
MILLIONS OF HINDUS CONVERTED ISLAM IN INDIA ,MILLIONS OF BUDH BECAME MUSLIM IN MALAYSHIA, CHINA,BRUNAI,PHILIPINES AND ETC., MILLIONS OF CHRISTIAN IN WESTERN COUNTRIES BECAME MUSLIM IN BOSINIA, , KOSOVO,ALBANIA ETC , MILLIONS OF RUSSIAN BECAME MUSLIM IN TAJIKSTAN, KAZAKISTAN, AZEERBAIJAN AND ETC.., MILLION OF AFRICAN BECMAE MUSLIMS IN SUDAN, MORROCO, TUNISIA, LIBYA, NEW GINNI, CHAD, AND ETC.. SO TELL ME ONE THING, WHY DID THEY BECAME MUSLIM, WERE THEY THREATEN TO DEATH ?WERE THEY KILLED ?WERE THEY FORCED TO BECOME MULSIM ?WHY DID THEY CHANGED THEIR RELIGIONS ? JUST READ THE HISTORY AND YOU WILL FIND THAT ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY PEACE NOT BY SWORDS. EVERYONE GET JEALOUS OF POPULARITY .ALL THE WARS AGAINST ISLAM WERE STARTED BY OTHERS, AND WHEN IT HAPPENS JIHAD IS A DUTY FOR EVERY MUSLIM BEING .IT HAPPENING SINCE OLD TIMES AND IT HAS NOT STOPPED, YOU PEOPLE NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES.
NOW A DAYS WHAT DID IRAQ DO, WHAT DID SUDAN DO?WHAT DID BOSINIA DO?WHAT DID AFANISTAN DO?WHAT DID PALESTINE DO?WHAT DID LEBANAN DO AND MANY MORE.. SO WHO IS PUTTIN WAR ON ISLAM ?AND NOW IF MUSLIM DONT GET UP AND STAND LIKE A WALL ?WHAT SHOULD THEY DO ?THEY SHOULD LET IT HAPPEN ?THEY SHOULD SEE IT WITH PLEASURE ?THEY SHOULD REMAIN SILENT ?DUDE, IT CANT BE, ITS NOT POSSIBLE, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN, A TIME WILL COME WHEN THE BIGGEST WAR WILL BEGIN..,MUSLIM COUNTRIES WILL BE UNITED AND EVERY TRUE MUSLIM WILL BE GET UP FROM THE SLEEP THEY ARE HAVING .THE TIME IS NOT FAR AWAY, SOONER OR LATER THE WORLD WILL SEE..WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MESS WITH MUSLIM .ISLAM IS NOT ANY DANGEROUS RELIGION..ITS THE RELIGION OF BROTHERHOOD AND PEACE BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MURDERING KIILING AND PUTTING WARS ON MUSLIMS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT REACTION YOU WILL GET.
EVERY ACT HAS A REACTION ,IF I KILL YOUR BROTHER , WHAT WILL U DO ?BUT IN ISLAM IF U KILL INNOCENT MUSLIM FOR THE RELIGION, EVERY MUSLIM WILL COME AFTER YOU. THAT'S WHAT ISLAM IS!!!!
PEACE!

OH YEAH AND IN SOMALIA ,I HAD FORGOTTEN THIS COUNTRY NAME.

[Shariq16]

OH YEAH AND IN SOMALIA ,I HAD FORGOTTEN THIS COUNTRY NAME.
well put brother.

[(sic)]

Not only that, but you're not suppose to have a war for no reason anyways, when you catch another person you're suppose to treat the fairly

Islam was the first religion that gave women equal rights which those "dangerous" people obviously don't. To practice islam you have to get as much education as you can but a lot of them are encouraged to not get any at all. List goes on for ever.....
wow you actually know about things other than fake up

[di vinci]

Not only that, but you're not suppose to have a war for no reason anyways, when you catch another person you're suppose to treat the fairly

Islam was the first religion that gave women equal rights which those "dangerous" people obviously don't. To practice islam you have to get as much education as you can but a lot of them are encouraged to not get any at all. List goes on for ever.....
couple of years back i read a book about. war according to islam (im not too sure about the title) . most of wat was written was taken from saladdins war ventures with the crusaudes.. where he treated his captures with humanity the cruasades just kill them.

this isnt the face of islamit the face of policts

[di vinci]

mm i disagree, i mean, i grew up around all white people, and most people have misconceptions about islam and are very curious about it, so i have to teach it to them, espacially after the media falsehoods...once they're educated, they have your back 100%, well atleast my friends do...but now that i'm in college, it seems people are less ignorant and don't act as surprised that a Muslim actually lives in America..however, i have experianced some ignorance in Fraternities...but its not that bad.
franternities are scary

[desi_shawrty]

wow you actually know about things other than fake up
LOL
I don't know if i should say thanks or take it as a diss

Anyways... it's my religion. What i believe in and live by. I'm not going to just listen to what other people tell me about it and go by that. I've read the translation of the quran so many times by different authers and stuff too... to get a better understanding about it. I hate how people listen to others and think that's part of the religion. It's like helloooooo the book is right there... go and read it.

[(sic)]

LOL
I don't know if i should say thanks or take it as a diss

Anyways... it's my religion. What i believe in and live by. I'm not going to just listen to what other people tell me about it and go by that. I've read the translation of the quran so many times by different authers and stuff too... to get a better understanding about it. I hate how people listen to others and think that's part of the religion. It's like helloooooo the book is right there... go and read it.
shutup terrorist

[Shariq16]

franternities are scary
lol actually they are hella fun.

[di vinci]

lol actually they are hella fun.how?

[Shariq16]

how?
seeing as I go to a party school...their parties are mind-blowing..

[Space-Cowboy]

yer fuckin ridiculous...have u not heard of "the people of the book?".. Islam DOES recognize Jews and Christians as people of the book, and does believe that those that do not commit SHIRK have a shot at heaven...seeing as they are worshipping the same god, they do have a chance at heaven...this statement proves u clearly don't know shit about Islam, and u wrote a false fuckin essay about it...
so :thumbdow:
also, speaking of the true teachings of the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Mohammad.. how can u say Islam cannot coexist in society as a large, when the Quran teaches Muslims to coexist in peace with those of other religions...
know your facts before you preach... cuz if u actually knew anything about Islam, It preaches a peaceful way of life...
kthnxbye.


Which still leaves out 40% of the world's population who don't fall into the category of Jewish/Christian/Muslim.

[aznpdaddy]

couple of years back i read a book about. war according to islam (im not too sure about the title) . most of wat was written was taken from saladdins war ventures with the crusaudes.. where he treated his captures with humanity the cruasades just kill them.

this isnt the face of islamit the face of policts
very good example di..

its very true how many EXTRACTS, not THE COMPLETE verses are taken, they are translated and then done on the basis of CONTENT and misussed by mulahs and haters of Islam, or people who do not want to co-exist with the religion for some stupid SELFISH reasons, and they talk about freedom of speech. i agree why isnt nick griffin arrested, only cos he sexes up crap, and then thats allowed! these are the actual people that use the extracts from a CONTENT aspect.

if you want to understand islam read it from not only content or face value, but in its CONTEXT.... dont just bloody google it or buy translations.... many of the verses in the QURAN and the SUNNAH have events for which the revelations came. READ on individual events...

and yes like Di has said WAR stories will have war context in them, what do you expect fairy tales in war books.

its like if you were to pick up mein kampf and expect to find an extract of michael jackson you wont.

my point is at the end of te day, you will find what your looking for if your trying hard enough, but dont be foolish enough or stupid not to CONTEXTUALISE it!

[RacingSoul]

u know what Islam really needs? Jatts! jatts are the only civilized people in the entire world...hell every country in the world should start with 'jatt'...the mighty jatts will survive everything and re-populate the world with a new breed of better jatts....u know those videos some people post on here about animals allegedly saying "Allah" and floor mats swinging in air pointing towards Mecca...that's good but u know what's better..a harley davidson cuz if u notice real close, u'll hear these sounds.. jatt jatt jatt jatt jatt jatt!

yours,
Mr. Jatt 2008.

[di vinci]

very good example di..

its very true how many EXTRACTS, not THE COMPLETE verses are taken, they are translated and then done on the basis of CONTENT and misussed by mulahs and haters of Islam, or people who do not want to co-exist with the religion for some stupid SELFISH reasons, and they talk about freedom of speech. i agree why isnt nick griffin arrested, only cos he sexes up crap, and then thats allowed! these are the actual people that use the extracts from a CONTENT aspect.

if you want to understand islam read it from not only content or face value, but in its CONTEXT.... dont just bloody google it or buy translations.... many of the verses in the QURAN and the SUNNAH have events for which the revelations came. READ on individual events...

and yes like Di has said WAR stories will have war context in them, what do you expect fairy tales in war books.

its like if you were to pick up mein kampf and expect to find an extract of michael jackson you wont.

my point is at the end of te day, you will find what your looking for if your trying hard enough, but dont be foolish enough or stupid not to CONTEXTUALISE it!
true

even the bible stories can be taken out of context.. why do u think there are chanmges been made all the time

[phishuff]

no there is some misconceptions about islam

[di vinci]

u know what Islam really needs? Jatts! jatts are the only civilized people in the entire world...hell every country in the world should start with 'jatt'...the mighty jatts will survive everything and re-populate the world with a new breed of better jatts....u know those videos some people post on here about animals allegedly saying "Allah" and floor mats swinging in air pointing towards Mecca...that's good but u know what's better..a harley davidson cuz if u notice real close, u'll hear these sounds.. jatt jatt jatt jatt jatt jatt!

yours,
Mr. Jatt 2008.
wrong

the true part to enlightment are the teachings of yodawe all share a universal energy call life source

[RacingSoul]

wrong

the true part to enlightment are the teachings of yodawe all share a universal energy call life source

:wtf:

[di vinci]

:wtf:
yoda

http://www.the-planets.com/star-biography/yoda_biography_3.jpg

[RacingSoul]

yoda

http://www.the-planets.com/star-biography/yoda_biography_3.jpg

i know who yoda is...but u were just so wrong...yoda is a jatt...actually no he's not...he's so ugly :ugh:

jatts are not ugly.

[di vinci]

i know who yoda is...but u were just so wrong...yoda is a jatt...actually no he's not...he's so ugly :ugh:

jatts are not ugly.
yoda not jatt he is mussy look

he wearing a robe
he got a sword

which is greeen. muslim pefered colour of choice

plus... jedi only have male jedi knights aka male mullahs

[aznpdaddy]

[QUOTE=RacingSoul]u know what Islam really needs? Jatts! jatts are the only civilized people in the entire world.../QUOTE]

dude i see the partly slightly funny side of that, dont get me wrong im very open minded, BUT Please dont say stuff like that its very arrogant and im sure your not not normaly like that.

YOUR SAYING YOUR PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY CIVILISED PEOPLE OF THE WORLD! Dude thats stupidness are you saying every other Muslim, Jew isnt!
Dude people take up religions based on what they show to be right or wrong not on the worldy materialistic gains, any strongly founded religion will tell you that... except some choose not to empasise it, due to the short teachings...

[RacingSoul]

yoda not jatt he is mussy look

he wearing a robe
he got a sword

which is greeen. muslim pefered colour of choice

plus... jedi only have male jedi knights aka male mullahs

of course brother! i admit yoda's not a jatt..he so ugly...muzzy, possibly :p

[RacingSoul]

YOUR SAYING YOUR PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY CIVILISED PEOPLE OF THE WORLD! Dude thats stupidness are you saying every other Muslim, Jew isnt!
Dude people take up religions based on what they show to be right or wrong not on the worldy materialistic gains, any strongly founded religion will tell you that... except some choose not to empasise it, due to the short teachings...

omg DUDE! learn to quote...then stfu!

[di vinci]

of course brother! i admit yoda's not a jatt..he so ugly...muzzy, possibly :p
jatts are also muslim toooo

[RacingSoul]

jatts are also muslim toooo

liyahh! :hand:

[aznpdaddy]

omg DUDE! learn to quote...then stfu!
dude if i was on here as much as you, then maybe.... but you are a arrogant shit, i asked you kindly, and you insult me, your the sorta cheap dirt that goes floating around my toilet irritating me!

[di vinci]

liyahh! :hand:
i dont lie :angel:

[RacingSoul]

dude if i was on here as much as you, then maybe.... but you are a arrogant shit, i asked you kindly, and you insult me, your the sorta cheap dirt that goes floating around my toilet irritating me!

u dont know me around here so stfu! ur the only dumb cunt taking offense to what i said.

[Dream_GirL]

There have been alot of religious wars throughout history.

The Christians and Muslims had the Crusades. Catholics and Protestants had the French Wars of Religion. Catholics and Calvinism took sides in the Thirty Year War. Japan and China fought in the Second Sino-Japanese War which became a sort of religious war.

And there are many many more all through history involving all religions.

But nowadays Islam seems to be the only one left killing people for their beliefs, or at least the only one we hear about in the news. Is Islam the most dangerous religion of our generation?
No definitely not.. its the most true religion.. media only tells u wot THEY want u to hear n believe..

[Dream_GirL]

religion is not a dangerous thing...its not a dangerous concept, muchless a dangerous belief..........the danger is taking that belief and becoming a fanatic......throughout history people have taken religion and twist to suit there own belief stucture, but if they could understand that u cannot take somthing as powerfull as religion and twist it, then u you would understand what religion reallly is
so true..

[doaly69]

i like turtles :-|

[Space-Cowboy]

No definitely not.. its the most true religion.. media only tells u wot THEY want u to hear n believe..
:rofl:

[captain storm]

im pretty sure all islamic people want everyone in the world to be islamic. One of their fundamental beliefs is in performing "duar" converting others to islam. unfortunately they regard all non muslims as kaffirs, whom they wouldnt consider as equals in society.

The majority of muslims ive met have a lot of intollerance towards jews,i have yet to meet a muslim whom doesnt hate jewish people.Even those muslims i would regard as being not at all religious, still hate jews. now, this in itself shows how united all muslims are across the world. because of the palistine issue, all muslims throughout the world see this as jewish isrealis vs islam.

unfortunately, there are many verses in the quran which can be used to support the killing of innocent non muslim people. thus throughout history, islamic nations have waged war and converted via the sword.

now i am not saying anything which people dont already know. I guess the only question is what can be done to put a stop to this extremism. I think until the vast majority of muslims are able to accept all religions as just different paths to god, and change their mindset that only islam is the path to god, then we shall continue to see religious conflict in the world involving muslims.

It is correct that in the past christians have also had holy wars, the crusades are an example of this. However, the vast majority of christians are more tolerant now of other world religions. The pope himself often speaks of the need for religious unity in the world, and has often held conventions inviting members of all religions. so we no longer see christians killing and converting innocent people as was the case during the crusades.

i have not intended to upset any1, im just trying to answer the initial posters question.

Paragraph 1. who said we consider all non-muslims KAFIRS? FYI in islam we believe that Christinaity and Judiasm are all the same religions, prophets delivering the same message unfortunately after the prophets passed away their words were changed for own benefit (for e.g chrisitans believing its ok to eat Pork, where as in the bible until 540AD it was considered unclean and plainly forbidden, and i can bring about many many othe rexamples). Jews and Christians are called AHLE-E-KITAB meanign people of the book, so don't go saying we call everyone Kafirs, btw the word means unbelievers.

Paragraph 2. NO SHIT SHERLOCK on this one...of course we will hate them, they took our land, killed our children, destroyed our lives...what do you want us to do?? HUG them and offer them Shisha!!!!! let me tell you this...UNTIL PALESTINE IS FREE WW3 IS NOT FAR AWAY.

Paragraph 3. i am nto even going to argue this point with you, i just want to ask you to mention ONE war, just the one where we have converted a nation into Islam by force??? and please also write me one verse in the qur'an which says KILL NON MUSLIMS!!

Paragraph 4. we have accepted all religions for over 1400 years, it wasn't until 1980s and the whole propaganda of DEMOCRACY that the world got fucked...from Russian invasion of afghanistan to the serbian massacre of Bosnia and invasion of palestine and now again afghanistan and iraq. all of these big moments in history in which "islam has a hand" has had american/british/russian hands in it.

Paragraph 5. most chrisitans are not tollerent, if they were they would not allow the wars in iraq and afghanistan to take place, they just dont give a shit, because religions is out of the window and probably rightly so for the way they live their lives...what should we muslims adapt to? Pornography, alcoholism, murder, rape, infidelity etc....

i have not intended to upset you or anyone else, i am just trying to challenge your points.



:D

[HeAvYmAcHiNeGuN]

:werd:

[ishq.on.da.beach]

:werd:
nice sig

[Space-Cowboy]

Paragraph 1. who said we consider all non-muslims KAFIRS? FYI in islam we believe that Christinaity and Judiasm are all the same religions, prophets delivering the same message unfortunately after the prophets passed away their words were changed for own benefit (for e.g chrisitans believing its ok to eat Pork, where as in the bible until 540AD it was considered unclean and plainly forbidden, and i can bring about many many othe rexamples). Jews and Christians are called AHLE-E-KITAB meanign people of the book, so don't go saying we call everyone Kafirs, btw the word means unbelievers.

There is a possibility that the man you know as Jesus Christ never existed. If he didn't actually exist, both Christianity and Islam will fall.


Paragraph 2. NO SHIT SHERLOCK on this one...of course we will hate them, they took our land, killed our children, destroyed our lives...what do you want us to do?? HUG them and offer them Shisha!!!!! let me tell you this...UNTIL PALESTINE IS FREE WW3 IS NOT FAR AWAY.

Yes, all Jews, without exception are responsible for the various problems in Palestine. Every single one of them, from Albert Einstein to Jerry Seinfeld.


Paragraph 3. i am nto even going to argue this point with you, i just want to ask you to mention ONE war, just the one where we have converted a nation into Islam by force??? and please also write me one verse in the qur'an which says KILL NON MUSLIMS!!


Persian-Arab wars, pre-Islamic Persia.



Paragraph 4. we have accepted all religions for over 1400 years, it wasn't until 1980s and the whole propaganda of DEMOCRACY that the world got fucked...from Russian invasion of afghanistan to the serbian massacre of Bosnia and invasion of palestine and now again afghanistan and iraq. all of these big moments in history in which "islam has a hand" has had american/british/russian hands in it.


If you don't like democracy, don't live in the UK.


Paragraph 5. most chrisitans are not tollerent, if they were they would not allow the wars in iraq and afghanistan to take place, they just dont give a shit, because religions is out of the window and probably rightly so for the way they live their lives...what should we muslims adapt to? Pornography, alcoholism, murder, rape, infidelity etc....

i have not intended to upset you or anyone else, i am just trying to challenge your points.

:D

No one gives a shit whether you "adapt" to porn or not. What you do in the comfort of your own home is your own business. Just understand that what others expect in return is that you keep your noses out of their business. If someone else chooses to watch porn, it is their right in a democratic society. Again, if you don't like democracy, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[ishq.on.da.beach]

There have been alot of religious wars throughout history.

The Christians and Muslims had the Crusades. Catholics and Protestants had the French Wars of Religion. Catholics and Calvinism took sides in the Thirty Year War. Japan and China fought in the Second Sino-Japanese War which became a sort of religious war.

And there are many many more all through history involving all religions.

But nowadays Islam seems to be the only one left killing people for their beliefs, or at least the only one we hear about in the news. Is Islam the most dangerous religion of our generation?

Its not religion that commits violence, but a certain mindset that seeks to use an ideology or a religious justification to control people's thinking and restrain the most fundamental freedoms.

[Mr_Guy]

Hmm some intresting awnsers, as said by Di and aznpaddy
Guess all i can say to some up is

Do not judge the religion on the actions of individuals who seek their own personal gain, but base the religion on its true teachings, and the ones who practise it according to the Qur'aan and the teachings of the Prophet, without picking and choosing verses to suit their own needs and twist verses, which results in the extremists of today
k bye :wavey:

[yussi]

Wow, i havent seen any of the other pages but im sure theres been and will be a lot of drama in here.

But yeah, if Islam continues to be seen by the actions of those bearded retards who take every word written in the Qu'ran out of context and pick and choose what they want to practice out of Islam, then yes it is a dangerous religion..but there are extremists in many relgions. Its just that Muslims get the most media attention
But those who follow Islam the right way and understand the message of the Qu'ran etccc show that in actuallity its not a dangerous relgion, just one thats been smeared and drag through the mud by those bearded fools who sadly get the most media attention and thus provide the public an image of what Islam is.

[hakuna-matata]

Out of curiousity, why was this thread junked? I fail to comprehend why the mods don't allow discussion for something even slightly controversial. Yet it is appropriate for us to discuss ass, tits and all that other rubbish

[(sic)]

Out of curiousity, why was this thread junked? I fail to comprehend why the mods don't allow discussion for something even slightly controversial. Yet it is appropriate for us to discuss ass, tits and all that other rubbish
cos its blatantly anti-islamic u ******. and you know it. so don't even try that bullshit.

[hakuna-matata]

cos its blatantly anti-islamic u ******. and you know it. so don't even try that bullshit.

Its pathetic that alot of muslims on RD use anti-islamism as an excuse to avoid getting into a discussion dealing with a controversial situation surrounding Islam

[desi_shawrty]

Out of curiousity, why was this thread junked? I fail to comprehend why the mods don't allow discussion for something even slightly controversial. Yet it is appropriate for us to discuss ass, tits and all that other rubbish
because religion is a sesitive topic

[Z4K5T4R]

Out of curiousity, why was this thread junked? I fail to comprehend why the mods don't allow discussion for something even slightly controversial. Yet it is appropriate for us to discuss ass, tits and all that other rubbishBecause you have failed to understand the concept of Islam. Your ''debate/discussion'' is based on false grounds. You seem to have misunderstood that Islam doesn't say lets promote hatred in this world and to cause danger towards others, just because it has stuck around longer than Christianity.. Judaism etc it doesn't straight away make it to be dangerous.

It is useless and junk as the whole question itself is weak.

[hakuna-matata]

because religion is a sesitive topic

Oh but we spend our days talking about trannys and making peoples lives miserable? I wouldnt have minded if this was moved into the serious discussions forum, but this definately isnt useless junk and flame

[Z4K5T4R]

Oh but we spend our days talking about trannys and making peoples lives miserable? I wouldnt have minded if this was moved into the serious discussions forum, but this definately isnt useless junk and flameAhem not everyone has access to serious discussion (me) I dont think Cunard and Sameer are fans of my opinion hence no access.

[hakuna-matata]

Because you have failed to understand the concept of Islam. Your ''debate/discussion'' is based on false grounds. You seem to have misunderstood that Islam doesn't say lets promote hatred in this world and to cause danger towards others, just because it has stuck around longer than Christianity.. Judaism etc it doesn't straight away make it to be dangerous.

It is useless and junk as the whole question itself is weak.

It is you who wail to understand the question. I am not in any way demeaning Islam. If you look at my first post, I mention other religious wars which are also not meant to degrade the religions mentioned. Through out history, even though religions preach peace, love , humble living and trying to make our world better on a daily basis, there has always a been set of followers of a particular religion that was creating unrest based on religious grounds. A couple of centuries ago it was Christianity. Today, in my opinion, this religion is Islam.

[Mr_Guy]

It is you who wail to understand the question. I am not in any way demeaning Islam. If you look at my first post, I mention other religious wars which are also not meant to degrade the religions mentioned. Through out history, even though religions preach peace, love , humble living and trying to make our world better on a daily basis, there has always a been set of followers of a particular religion that was creating unrest based on religious grounds. A couple of centuries ago it was Christianity. Today, in my opinion, this religion is Islam.

youve been given your awnser, read Di's, post, aznpaddy, mine, yussi's and others, ( sorry cant remember the names ) the awnsers sound more or less the same
end this topic now :D
ciao

[Z4K5T4R]

It is you who wail to understand the question. I am not in any way demeaning Islam. If you look at my first post, I mention other religious wars which are also not meant to degrade the religions mentioned. Through out history, even though religions preach peace, love , humble living and trying to make our world better on a daily basis, there has always a been set of followers of a particular religion that was creating unrest based on religious grounds. A couple of centuries ago it was Christianity. Today, in my opinion, this religion is Islam.Listen am not arguing with you. And this is the reason to why i try not to join into such discussion which end up in tantrums. To answer your question couple of decades ago you wouldn't of heard of Islam in the news after the 9/11 and such other tragedies that followed thereafter you would find such news broadcasted that ''Muslims did this and Muslims did that''. These such news seem to be of such false occurances and of such exaggeration that it was provoking Muslims, rather than, in this day and age, gathering communities together it seemed like all Media wanted to do was to accuse Muslims.

Most muslims retaliate in the most wrongful ways, most people go ahead with these actions on the street in violence ways which is wrong but that is not to do with Islam but the actions of individual Muslims.

Lets use the Danish cartoon as an example, things quieten down the editor of that newspaper could have avoided publishing such rubbish about Islam. People went to the streets protesting most muslims didnt even know what they were protesting about but following the crowd. Things quieten down now I hear that the Danish MP Mr Wilder has decided to broadcast this clip of how the Quran promotes hatred, mispresenting certain texts from the Quran - again causing tension in the Muslim community.

All Muslims want is to get on with their lives without each idiot in this world causing tension. What an individual does should not fall on every single muslim.

I went bit off topic but thats how it is.

And when you say it is dangerous i think you are thinking that islam = Tevvovism.

[desi_uk]

I think people need more education on the true essence of Islam instead of being shown images of war which people have associated with Islam.
The media has a moral obligation to concentrate on the peaceful muslims who particupate within society instead of concentrating on the radicals who are not representing Islam but are representing war and anger.

[desi_uk]

Ma'shallah theres so many muslims that make a good contribution to the society they live in but they are never shown the lime light and thanked for the good the do.

[Madrion]

Ma'shallah theres so many muslims that make a good contribution to the society they live in but they are never shown the lime light and thanked for the good the do.

I am sorry but living in peace and harmony is nothing to be proud of.....ITS WHAT NORMAL PEOPLE DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its just that MAJORITY of retards and terrorists today ARE muslim.....its an undeniable fact. Narturally, the question arises as to why this is so.......Most of us 'kaffirs' think that this is because of the extremely violent nature of the religion itself.

[Madrion]

yer fuckin ridiculous...have u not heard of "the people of the book?".. Islam DOES recognize Jews and Christians as people of the book, and does believe that those that do not commit SHIRK have a shot at heaven...seeing as they are worshipping the same god, they do have a chance at heaven...this statement proves u clearly don't know shit about Islam, and u wrote a false fuckin essay about it...
so :thumbdow:
also, speaking of the true teachings of the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Mohammad.. how can u say Islam cannot coexist in society as a large, when the Quran teaches Muslims to coexist in peace with those of other religions...
know your facts before you preach... cuz if u actually knew anything about Islam, It preaches a peaceful way of life...
kthnxbye.

Well i am sure christians and jews around the world are jumping up and down because muslims say they give them a chance to enter heaven. Great.

The rest of us are surely going to hell. No doubt about it.

And that is why we hate Islam. Because we envy you muslims who get free entry into Heaven. Thats it. You figured it out.

[Madrion]

Paragraph 1. who said we consider all non-muslims KAFIRS? FYI in islam we believe that Christinaity and Judiasm are all the same religions, prophets delivering the same message unfortunately after the prophets passed away their words were changed for own benefit (for e.g chrisitans believing its ok to eat Pork, where as in the bible until 540AD it was considered unclean and plainly forbidden, and i can bring about many many othe rexamples). Jews and Christians are called AHLE-E-KITAB meanign people of the book, so don't go saying we call everyone Kafirs, btw the word means unbelievers.

Paragraph 2. NO SHIT SHERLOCK on this one...of course we will hate them, they took our land, killed our children, destroyed our lives...what do you want us to do?? HUG them and offer them Shisha!!!!! let me tell you this...UNTIL PALESTINE IS FREE WW3 IS NOT FAR AWAY.

Paragraph 3. i am nto even going to argue this point with you, i just want to ask you to mention ONE war, just the one where we have converted a nation into Islam by force??? and please also write me one verse in the qur'an which says KILL NON MUSLIMS!!

Paragraph 4. we have accepted all religions for over 1400 years, it wasn't until 1980s and the whole propaganda of DEMOCRACY that the world got fucked...from Russian invasion of afghanistan to the serbian massacre of Bosnia and invasion of palestine and now again afghanistan and iraq. all of these big moments in history in which "islam has a hand" has had american/british/russian hands in it.

Paragraph 5. most chrisitans are not tollerent, if they were they would not allow the wars in iraq and afghanistan to take place, they just dont give a shit, because religions is out of the window and probably rightly so for the way they live their lives...what should we muslims adapt to? Pornography, alcoholism, murder, rape, infidelity etc....

i have not intended to upset you or anyone else, i am just trying to challenge your points.



:D

Kaffir is by far the SINGLE most offensive word ever invented to label the LARGEST group of people in the world. Its phenominally more offensive than ****** (the n word) and this site should have stars for the word kaffir just like the n word

[desi_uk]

I am sorry but living in peace and harmony is nothing to be proud of.....ITS WHAT NORMAL PEOPLE DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its just that MAJORITY of retards and terrorists today ARE muslim.....its an undeniable fact. Narturally, the question arises as to why this is so.......Most of us 'kaffirs' think that this is because of the extremely violent nature of the religion itself.
See thats where you are misled into believing this most of the people that think that have no right to think that because they havnt gone out and studied Islam they have made their mind by seeing the minority who carry out these attacks. If you want to understand Islam dont look at the minority extremist look at the general public who live Islam on a daily basis. What the extremist do has nothing to do with Islam rather their anger and frustration is led by warfare, famine and occupation.

[desi_uk]

Kaffir is by far the SINGLE most offensive word ever invented to label the LARGEST group of people in the world. Its phenominally more offensive than ****** (the n word) and this site should have stars for the word kaffir just like the n word
Kaffir means non believer in Islam there is nothing offensive about it but it can be deemed as offensive when you put it in certain context just like any word can.

[yussi]

Kaffir is by far the SINGLE most offensive word ever invented to label the LARGEST group of people in the world. Its phenominally more offensive than ****** (the n word) and this site should have stars for the word kaffir just like the n wordyeah i get called a kaffir all the time, i come from a muslim family so when im called a kaffir everyone is like "Whaaaat?? OMG OMG OMG"
I couldnt care less.. though i dont appreciate the ones i loved being called it by stupid ass fat bitch desi gossiping aunties.

[desi_uk]

yeah i get called a kaffir all the time, i come from a muslim family so when im called a kaffir everyone is like "Whaaaat?? OMG OMG OMG"
I couldnt care less.. though i dont appreciate the ones i loved being called it by stupid ass fat bitch desi gossiping aunties.
no muslim has the right to call another muslim a kaffir

[Madrion]

See thats where you are misled into believing this most of the people that think that have no right to think that because they havnt gone out and studied Islam they have made their mind by seeing the minority who carry out these attacks. If you want to understand Islam dont look at the minority extremist look at the general public who live Islam on a daily basis. What the extremist do has nothing to do with Islam rather their anger and frustration is led by warfare, famine and occupation.

BELIEVE ME. I was just being nice. I am not so dumb to believe the entire religion is shit because of terrorist acts. Look up the first thread i ever created on RD. TRUST me. I have reached the conclusion BY studying the religion in its entirety and reading the oh so infallible Koran

[yussi]

no muslim has the right to call another muslim a kaffirwell i was once at an uncle jees house and they were all tlaking so openly about kaffirs n shit including me.. i didnt care for it at the time.. asthat family are too uptight anyway..the aunty jee was like "Once someone starts to think that living the way white people do is the right way, they are a kaffir"
WTF?

[ishq.on.da.beach]

no muslim has the right to call another muslim a kaffir
what does kaffir mean

[desi_uk]

BELIEVE ME. I was just being nice. I am not so dumb to believe the entire religion is shit because of terrorist acts. Look up the first thread i ever created on RD. TRUST me. I have reached the conclusion BY studying the religion in its entirety and reading the oh so infallible Koran
well if thats your opinion your entitled to it but let people be were all here on this earth wondering what its all about Islam is no more extreme as any other religion

[desi_uk]

well i was once at an uncle jees house and they were all tlaking so openly about kaffirs n shit including me.. i didnt care for it at the time.. asthat family are too uptight anyway..the aunty jee was like "Once someone starts to think that living the way white people do is the right way, they are a kaffir"
WTF?
lol all due respect you should have slapped them one lol

[desi_uk]

what does kaffir mean
non muslim

[Madrion]

Kaffir means non believer in Islam there is nothing offensive about it but it can be deemed as offensive when you put it in certain context just like any word can.

Fuck you. Is that offensive? The n word itself is only a distortion of the word negro, or of african origin. What the word means is unimportant. And bitch, dont tell me what is offensive and what is not. I am telling you the MAJORITY of us kaffirs are EXTREMELY offended at being labeled such(and i could use some concurrence on this). Just because it is not offensive to you does not mean you can keep calling us that because WE find it offensive.

[di vinci]

well i was once at an uncle jees house and they were all tlaking so openly about kaffirs n shit including me.. i didnt care for it at the time.. asthat family are too uptight anyway..the aunty jee was like "Once someone starts to think that living the way white people do is the right way, they are a kaffir"
WTF?
:rofl:


u should have said that according to certain hadiths no one has the right to call another person a kaffir... if she was a good muslim why is she getting herself involve in something that does not concern her.

[desi_uk]

Fuck you. Is that offensive? The n word itself is only a distortion of the word negro, or of african origin. What the word means is unimportant. And bitch, dont tell me what is offensive and what is not. I am telling you the MAJORITY of us kaffirs are EXTREMELY offended at being labeled such(and i could use some concurrence on this). Just because it is not offensive to you does not mean you can keep calling us that because WE find it offensive.
its not meant in an offensive way its a term to describe people that dont follow islam, we you mean you find it offensive

[Space-Cowboy]

Kaffir means non believer in Islam there is nothing offensive about it but it can be deemed as offensive when you put it in certain context just like any word can.


And all sand-ni.gger means is Arab/Middle-Eastern.... nothing offensive about it until you put it in certain context, right?

[desi_uk]

And all sand-ni.gger means is Arab/Middle-Eastern.... nothing offensive about it until you put it in certain context, right?
kaffir means non muslim how is that an offensive term, you can say non christian or non jew etc is that offensive? sand ****** is obviously offensive

[Madrion]

well if thats your opinion your entitled to it but let people be were all here on this earth wondering what its all about Islam is no more extreme as any other religion

I have a problem when muslims dictate what i should and should not say.
I have a problem when muslims blow themselves up at every corner where they get the chance.
I have a problem with muslims commiting murders because their prophet was pictured.

This is your difference. Draw the hindu gods in all forms of crap and see if hindus riot on the streets threatening to kill. Jesus is constantly portrayed in american media. I dont see chrisitians threatening murder.

You want to integrate into a democratic society? Then ACCEPT that there WILL be people who are not going to like the way you look, the way you think, what you believe, what you speak and what you read. Then i will live in harmony with muslims in my society. Else you can all go rot in Saudi Arabia.

[di vinci]

Fuck you. Is that offensive? The n word itself is only a distortion of the word negro, or of african origin. What the word means is unimportant. And bitch, dont tell me what is offensive and what is not. I am telling you the MAJORITY of us kaffirs are EXTREMELY offended at being labeled such(and i could use some concurrence on this). Just because it is not offensive to you does not mean you can keep calling us that because WE find it offensive.
negro has alway been used as a term to put the blaxckman down...

kaffir mean non beliver (actually mean some one who does not belive in god)

it is the same way as calling a blackman kala.. i know few black people who find the word kala offence.. even tjopu in our language we use that term to identify a black mam

[Space-Cowboy]

kaffir means non muslim how is that an offensive term, you can say non christian or non jew etc is that offensive? sand ****** is obviously offensive

Just like Kaffir is obviously offensive to any non-Muslim.

If you can say non-Christian, non-Jew, etc., then you should make it a point to say "non-Muslim" instead of Kaffir.






btw, using the word "Kaffir" is a bannable offense on this site.

[desi_uk]

I have a problem when muslims dictate what i should and should not say.
I have a problem when muslims blow themselves up at every corner where they get the chance.
I have a problem with muslims commiting murders because their prophet was pictured.

This is your difference. Draw the hindu gods in all forms of crap and see if hindus riot on the streets threatening to kill. Jesus is constantly portrayed in american media. I dont see chrisitians threatening murder.

You want to integrate into a democratic society? Then ACCEPT that there WILL be people who are not going to like the way you look, the way you think, what you believe, what you speak and what you read. Then i will live in harmony with muslims in my society. Else you can all go rot in Saudi Arabia.
Listen mate if you want a decent debate then talk properly otherwise you can sling your hook

[di vinci]

And all sand-ni.gger means is Arab/Middle-Eastern.... nothing offensive about it until you put it in certain context, right?

sand nig-ger is a degorating term.. they can easily used the term arab to identify some from the middle east

next u be saying u find it offencve muslim calling you a hindu

[Madrion]

kaffir means non muslim how is that an offensive term, you can say non christian or non jew etc is that offensive? sand ****** is obviously offensive

you still just dont get it. The way to say non-muslims is just that: NON-Muslims.

Simple.

The word kaffir has attached to it the connotation of islamic supremacy and eternal damnation of non-muslims. While I KNOW this is how you feel, we dont want to be reminded about it at every turn.

[desi_uk]

Just like Kaffir is obviously offensive to any non-Muslim.

If you can say non-Christian, non-Jew, etc., then you should make it a point to say "non-Muslim" instead of Kaffir.






btw, using the word "Kaffir" is a bannable offense on this site.
yes and kaffir is an arabic word which means non muslim not an english one and muslims do say non muslims not many use the word kaffir

[Madrion]

sand nig-ger is a degorating term.. they can easily used the term arab to identify some from the middle east

next u be saying u find it offencve muslim calling you a hindu

and you can easily use non-muslim to identify someone who is not muslim

[Madrion]

Listen mate if you want a decent debate then talk properly otherwise you can sling your hook

Granted. I retract the last sentence. Repond to the rest.

[Space-Cowboy]

sand nig-ger is a degorating term.. they can easily used the term arab to identify some from the middle east

next u be saying u find it offencve muslim calling you a hindu

This is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Sand ****** is a derogatory term because Arabs find it to be so.

In the same way, Kaffir is a derogatory term because non muslims find it to be so.

I have no problems with a Muslim calling me Hindu... or Non-Muslim. I do have problems with a Muslim calling me a "Kaffir". Just like Arabs might have a problem with me calling them "Sand nig.gers".

[Space-Cowboy]

Just like "Nig.ger" was an old school southern word in America to describe Black people.


yes and kaffir is an arabic word which means non muslim not an english one and muslims do say non muslims not many use the word kaffir


Good. Do not use that word, ever. :idea:

[di vinci]

and you can easily use non-muslim to identify someone who is not muslim
if ur speaking arabic u r not going to use the term non muslim are u??

jews are lable as people of the book and are call yahuddi and chritian arre call isiah in arabic

kaffir is for people who do not have any belief in god. (that is my interperation of the word)

[Madrion]

yes and kaffir is an arabic word which means non muslim not an english one and muslims do say non muslims not many use the word kaffir

we know what it means and we are telling you its offensive. Its like this.

If you say to your wife that you want to make love to her, she would be happy and oblige.
If you say you want to fuck her, she probably will slap you.

While both mean EXACTLY the same thing, there is obviously cultural connotations associated with the word fuck.

Same with kaffir. Become one and then you will understand why we find it offensive.

[desi_uk]

I have a problem when muslims dictate what i should and should not say.
I have a problem when muslims blow themselves up at every corner where they get the chance.
I have a problem with muslims commiting murders because their prophet was pictured.

This is your difference. Draw the hindu gods in all forms of crap and see if hindus riot on the streets threatening to kill. Jesus is constantly portrayed in american media. I dont see chrisitians threatening murder.

You want to integrate into a democratic society? Then ACCEPT that there WILL be people who are not going to like the way you look, the way you think, what you believe, what you speak and what you read. Then i will live in harmony with muslims in my society. Else you can all go rot in Saudi Arabia.
Like i said before these people who commit murder are not muslims as Islam objects to such act these people who commit this have come about these ideas through their own thinking and free will an entire religion cannot be responsible for people who have taken things out of context and committed such acts through their own doings.

[desi_uk]

Just like "Nig.ger" was an old school southern word in America to describe Black people.





Good. Do not use that word, ever. :idea:
i wont use it on this site

[Madrion]

if ur speaking arabic u r not going to use the term non muslim are u??

jews are lable as people of the book and are call yahuddi and chritian arre call isiah in arabic

kaffir is for people who do not have any belief in god. (that is my interperation of the word)

really? You mean for people who do not believe in YOUR god. That is the whole bloody point now isnt it!

[desi_uk]

we know what it means and we are telling you its offensive. Its like this.

If you say to your wife that you want to make love to her, she would be happy and oblige.
If you say you want to fuck her, she probably will slap you.

While both mean EXACTLY the same thing, there is obviously cultural connotations associated with the word fuck.

Same with kaffir. Become one and then you will understand why we find it offensive.
i understand

[Space-Cowboy]

if ur speaking arabic u r not going to use the term non muslim are u??

jews are lable as people of the book and are call yahuddi and chritian arre call isiah in arabic

kaffir is for people who do not have any belief in god. (that is my interperation of the word)

Here's a better idea, how about not using the Arabic language to class people into different groups based on their religious beliefs?

[di vinci]

This is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Sand ****** is a derogatory term because Arabs find it to be so.

In the same way, Kaffir is a derogatory term because non muslims find it to be so.

I have no problems with a Muslim calling me Hindu... or Non-Muslim. I do have problems with a Muslim calling me a "Kaffir". Just like Arabs might have a problem with me calling them "Sand nig.gers".i use to think you were a really educated guy.. but recently im finding out how much full of shit u a really are.. no one going to change the word kaffir.. the word kaffir is going to stay in the arabic language for eternity... if you dont like being called a kaffir then stop listening to the people who call you kaffirs. 5 years back the word kaffir wasnt that much of a big deal.. now soon as some one say kaffir it get on your tits.

[Madrion]

Like i said before these people who commit murder are not muslims as Islam objects to such act these people who commit this have come about these ideas through their own thinking and free will an entire religion cannot be responsible for people who have taken things out of context and committed such acts through their own doings.

I agree that these people are actually the TRUE followers of Islam, following EVERYTHING in the Koran to the T. You on the other hand decide to overlook, oversee and moderate many of the violent preachings of the Koran, while at the same time not rejecting it outright. If anything they have a right to call themselves muslim and you dont. And i am pretty darn sure they'd agree.

[desi_uk]

really? You mean for people who do not believe in YOUR god. That is the whole bloody point now isnt it!
there are different interpretaations of that word some say its to describe people who do not believe in God at all and some people say its a word to describe people who do not follow Islam there are different interpretations

[di vinci]

really? You mean for people who do not believe in YOUR god. That is the whole bloody point now isnt it!i mean in any god.

[Madrion]

i understand

Good. Then this discussion was not in vain. alas your brother vinci still does not get it.

[desi_uk]

I agree that these people are actually the TRUE followers of Islam, following EVERYTHING in the Koran to the T. You on the other hand decide to overlook, oversee and moderate many of the violent preachings of the Koran, while at the same time not rejecting it outright. If anything they have a right to call themselves muslim and you dont. And i am pretty darn sure they'd agree.
someone who blows themselves up is not a true muslim that i can reasure you

[Madrion]

i mean in any god.

Really? I believe in God. I am DEFINITELY NOT muslim, jew or christian. Am i kaffir?

[desi_uk]

Really? I believe in God. I am DEFINITELY NOT muslim, jew or christian. Am i kaffir?
i wouldnt call you that word but some people would

[di vinci]

Here's a better idea, how about not using the Arabic language to class people into different groups based on their religious beliefs?
i got a brillant idea.. why dont we just get rid of the quran re write it in english.. so it is easy for everyone to understand.. do the same for hindu religious books too. for get hindi.. lets just keep it all in english.. keep your religiuious chanting in english tooo. it will make the whole world a better place dont you think

[Space-Cowboy]

i use to think you were a really educated guy.. but recently im finding out how much full of shit u a really are.. no one going to change the word kaffir.. the word kaffir is going to stay in the arabic language for eternity... if you dont like being called a kaffir then stop listening to the people who call you kaffirs. 5 years back the word kaffir wasnt that much of a big deal.. now soon as some one say kaffir it get on your tits.

Shut the fuck up vinci, you can barely spell. Your posts have by far been deemed amidst the most idiotic on these forums and are about as coherent as a down patient on crack.

If you want to bring in the freedom of expression card and ask me to ignore it everytime someone calls me a Kaffir, then accept all aspects of said freedom of expression and quit being a bitch everytime someone voices their opinion against your beliefs.

[Madrion]

someone who blows themselves up is not a true muslim that i can reasure you

And i can assure you that their conviction and belief in what they are doing is FAR FAR greater than yours as they are willing to go to the lengths of losing their own life, the greatest price to pay.

If they were not sufficiently believing in their ideology, they WOULD NOT blow themselves up.

[di vinci]

Really? I believe in God. I am DEFINITELY NOT muslim, jew or christian. Am i kaffir?
kaffir mean non beliver

[captain storm]

non muslim


IT DOES NOT MEAN NON-MUSLIM...it means UNBELIEVER...JEWS AND CHRSITIANS ARE NON MUSLIMS, but they are not KAFIRS!!!!!

[Space-Cowboy]

i got a brillant idea.. why dont we just get rid of the quran re write it in english.. so it is easy for everyone to understand.. do the same for hindu religious books too. for get hindi.. lets just keep it all in english.. keep your religiuious chanting in english tooo. it will make the whole world a better place dont you think

I actually agree. In fact I'm all for it. Believe it or not, English is far more versatile of a language than either Arab or "Hindi".

[Madrion]

i wouldnt call you that word but some people would

OK i retract. I suddenly do not believe in God anymore. I really dont. Just a revelation. Now you would call me a kafir too.

Herein lies the problem

[desi_uk]

IT DOES NOT MEAN NON-MUSLIM...it means UNBELIEVER...JEWS AND CHRSITIANS ARE NON MUSLIMS, but they are not KAFIRS!!!!!
like i said there are different interpretations to that word

[desi_uk]

OK i retract. I suddenly do not believe in God anymore. I really dont. Just a revelation. Now you would call me a kafir too.

Herein lies the problem
yes i would then because you are someone who doesnt believe in God in the Arabic term you will be a kaffir, as someone who doesnt believe in God

[Madrion]

i got a brillant idea.. why dont we just get rid of the quran re write it in english.. so it is easy for everyone to understand.. do the same for hindu religious books too. for get hindi.. lets just keep it all in english.. keep your religiuious chanting in english tooo. it will make the whole world a better place dont you think

Hindu religions books were written in Sanskrit.

Shows how little you know about anything outside of your own hole.

Oh for your info:

for get: Doesnt really mean anything.
forget: To not remember

[desi_uk]

Hindu religions books were written in Sanskrit.

Shows how little you know about anything outside of your own hole.

Oh for your info:

for get: Doesnt really mean anything.
forget: To not remember
you seem like an angry person

[captain storm]

like i said there are different interpretations to that word

no there is not...i speak arabic the word kafir means non-believer, that is the only meaning to the word in arabic, you could argue its meaning if you interpret it from farsi and urdu and pashto, but the overall meaning and true meaning of the term kafir is unbeliever or non-believer

[di vinci]

Shut the fuck up vinci, you can barely spell. Your posts have by far been deemed amidst the most idiotic on these forums and are about as coherent as a down patient on crack.

If you want to bring in the freedom of expression card and ask me to ignore it everytime someone calls me a Kaffir, then accept all aspects of said freedom of expression and quit being a bitch everytime someone voices their opinion against your beliefs.im not being a bitch.. i just think you full of bullshit..



it is the same bullshit with you

oh.. oh.. ohh

anti muslim thrwerad

im spacecowboy full of shite.. io should go and post there to make myself look smart
your statement are exactly the same one you post in every thread that is islam related.

im all for freedom of expresion.. but i DO NOT TOLERATE FREEDOM OF HATE ON RELIGION BASIS. CONNSTRUCTIVE CRITISM ON A LEVEL HEADED FEILD IS FINE.

[Madrion]

yes i would then because you are someone who doesnt believe in God in the Arabic term you will be a kaffir, as someone who doesnt believe in God

I thought i already explained to you how you DONT want to use that word man. Looks like it was a total failure.

PS: Your all like parrots. Keep repeating what kaffir means like we DONT know what it means. BELIEVE me we do. What it means has no significance. It is what it that connotates makes all the difference.

[desi_uk]

no there is not...i speak arabic the word kafir means non-believer, that is the only meaning to the word in arabic, you could argue its meaning if you interpret it from farsi and urdu and pashto, but the overall meaning and true meaning of the term kafir is unbeliever or non-believer
i get you, understood

[desi_uk]

I thought i already explained to you how you DONT want to use that word man. Looks like it was a total failure.

PS: Your all like parrots. Keep repeating what kaffir means like we DONT know what it means. BELIEVE me we do. What it means has no significance. It it connotates makes all the difference.
you need to take a chill pill dude

[Madrion]

you need to take a chill pill dude

contrary to what you think, i am the same guy whose first thread on this site was: "Couldnt I be a muslim too?" Check it out sometime.

I am the chillest of chilling bang bang. However, I have compelling arguments about the anger that MOST of us 'kaffirs' hold for Islam and its atrocities.

[captain storm]

I thought i already explained to you how you DONT want to use that word man. Looks like it was a total failure.

PS: Your all like parrots. Keep repeating what kaffir means like we DONT know what it means. BELIEVE me we do. What it means has no significance. It is what it that connotates makes all the difference.


what are you on?? seriously...

[Madrion]

what are you on?? seriously...

Maybe you do not comprehend English very well. Let me get an arabic translator in here for you.

[Space-Cowboy]

im not being a bitch.. i just think you full of bullshit..



it is the same bullshit with you

oh.. oh.. ohh

anti muslim thrwerad

im spacecowboy full of shite.. io should go and post there to make myself look smart
your statement are exactly the same one you post in every thread that is islam related.

im all for freedom of expresion.. but i DO NOT TOLERATE FREEDOM OF HATE ON RELIGION BASIS. CONNSTRUCTIVE CRITISM ON A LEVEL HEADED FEILD IS FINE.


So, I was right, you're a down patient on crack? I've seen bowls of Alphagettis more coherent than the bullshit you just posted above. And believe me, I'm pretty certain I'm a fuckloads smarter than you.

As for what I could make of your post, here goes:

I have no problem with what Muslims do in their spare time. Just like I have no problems with what a Christian, or Jew, or Scientologist, or any Atheist does in his or her spare time.

I do have a problem with being called a Kaffir. So, here's the thing, you don't want your religion bashed [which I've never actually done by the way, but you were too much of a retard to go look through my old posts before making your ridiculous rant above], then don't call us Non-Muslims, "Kaffirs".

[di vinci]

Hindu religions books were written in Sanskrit.

Shows how little you know about anything outside of your own hole.

Oh for your info:

for get: Doesnt really mean anything.
forget: To not remember
i do not make a habit of attacking ppl belef systems. the same way i do not want my beliefs to be hurt, is the same way i regard other ppl beleifs in the same light. what he/she belive is totally up to him/her. i dont have a habit of putting some ones else belief down. if i was going to do reserach on hinduism i would rather go to some one who knows about WHAT HE/SHE is talking about.. then googling something off the net and taking it at face value

[desi_uk]

contrary to what you think, i am the same guy whose first thread on this site was: "Couldnt I be a muslim too?" Check it out sometime.

I am the chillest of chilling bang bang. However, I have compelling arguments about the anger that MOST of us 'kaffirs' hold for Islam and its atrocities.
Your entitled to your beliefs but instead of looking at the negatives you should try putting your energy and looking at the positives, Islam has so much to offer yet if you want to find the beauty in something then you will be able to see it if you open your mind and heart

peace

[captain storm]

Maybe you do not comprehend English very well. Let me get an arabic translator in here for you.

there would be no need for that my friend...lets just say we agree to disagree..!

[Madrion]

Your entitled to your beliefs but instead of looking at the negatives you should try putting your energy and looking at the positives, Islam has so much to offer yet if you want to find the beauty in something then you will be able to see it if you open your mind and heart

peace

Pretty hard to find the beauty in something which was the sole reason for 90% of all terrorist acts in the last ten years.

Lets rip out the pages of violence and maybe i will see the beauty in it.

Yes i want peace too but i am afraid Islamic fundamentalists will not let that happen. Not in my lifetime at least.

But we can always hope.

[Madrion]

i do not make a habit of attacking ppl belef systems. the same way i do not want my beliefs to be hurt, is the same way i regard other ppl beleifs in the same light. what he/she belive is totally up to him/her. i dont have a habit of putting some ones else belief down. if i was going to do reserach on hinduism i would rather go to some one who knows about WHAT HE/SHE is talking about.. then googling something off the net and taking it at face value

As long as your belief system does not encroach on my civil liberty, my freedom of speech and my way of life, believe that you are 5 legged gorilla for all I care.

And when i said my freedom of speech, I mean the right to print cartoons of Mohammad in mainstream media and the right to present my opinions of displeasure with Islam.

I invite you to do the same to my or any other religion. Or not.

But i want the choice.

[captain storm]

Pretty hard to find the beauty in something which was the sole reason for 90% of all terrorist acts in the last ten years.

Lets rip out the pages of violence and maybe i will see the beauty in it.

Yes i want peace too but i am afraid Islamic fundamentalists will not let that happen. Not in my lifetime at least.

But we can always hope.


one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...thats all you have to know.

[di vinci]

So, I was right, you're a down patient on crack? I've seen bowls of Alphagettis more coherent than the bullshit you just posted above. And believe me, I'm pretty certain I'm a fuckloads smarter than you.

As for what I could make of your post, here goes:

I have no problem with what Muslims do in their spare time. Just like I have no problems with what a Christian, or Jew, or Scientologist, or any Atheist does in his or her spare time.

I do have a problem with being called a Kaffir. So, here's the thing, you don't want your religion bashed [which I've never actually done by the way, but you were too much of a retard to go look through my old posts before making your ridiculous rant above], then don't call us Non-Muslims, "Kaffirs".
who has call you a kaffir to your face on the street . no one has

just because it has been said in close doorss. you are offended... you seen a clip of it off youtube you find it offencive. this is the same way we find it offence when our faith is being use as a mockery everwhere we go. we have to apologise fgor some one elses mistake or wat some other nimrod has said. im not here to apologize for anyone else remarks. if i had call you a a term that u seem unfit. then u can cuss me down. but to this day i have never called another human being a kaffir. i do not deem that word is approbiate to be use tpo discribe non muslims. my person view on the term of kaffir is for peoepl who have no beleif in any superior being.

[Space-Cowboy]

who has call you a kaffir to your face on the street . no one has

just because it has been said in close doorss. you are offended... you seen a clip of it off youtube you find it offencive. this is the same way we find it offence when our faith is being use as a mockery everwhere we go. we have to apologise fgor some one elses mistake or wat some other nimrod has said. im not here to apologize for anyone else remarks. if i had call you a a term that u seem unfit. then u can cuss me down. but to this day i have never called another human being a kaffir. i do not deem that word is approbiate to be use tpo discribe non muslims. my person view on the term of kaffir is for peoepl who have no beleif in any superior being.

I'm not asking you to apologize for someone else's mistake. I'm asking to not be called a Kaffir. And yes, I have been called that to my face.

. i do not deem that word is approbiate to be use tpo discribe non muslims.

Good. That's all I wanted out of this thread.

[Madrion]

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...thats all you have to know.

I agree. Read my posts above where i claim that these are really the true muslims while the rest of you are just apologists, too afraid to follow what is the true teachings of Islam.

[di vinci]

As long as your belief system does not encroach on my civil liberty, my freedom of speech and my way of life, believe that you are 5 legged gorilla for all I care.

And when i said my freedom of speech, I mean the right to print cartoons of Mohammad in mainstream media and the right to present my opinions of displeasure with Islam.

I invite you to do the same to my or any other religion. Or not.

But i want the choice.
if they are so displease with islam why dont they go and see muslim scholars in the west. have a proper debate with them. im not talking about backstreet mullahs who do not know what tehy are talking about



even thou you do not care about your faith figure to be use in such terms. i know alot of people that will be offende by it.

[Madrion]

who has call you a kaffir to your face on the street . no one has

just because it has been said in close doorss. you are offended... you seen a clip of it off youtube you find it offencive. this is the same way we find it offence when our faith is being use as a mockery everwhere we go. we have to apologise fgor some one elses mistake or wat some other nimrod has said. im not here to apologize for anyone else remarks. if i had call you a a term that u seem unfit. then u can cuss me down. but to this day i have never called another human being a kaffir. i do not deem that word is approbiate to be use tpo discribe non muslims. my person view on the term of kaffir is for peoepl who have no beleif in any superior being.

you are beyond repair

[Madrion]

if they are so displease with islam why dont they go and see muslim scholars in the west. have a proper debate with them. im not talking about backstreet mullahs who do not know what tehy are talking about



even thou you do not care about your faith figure to be use in such terms. i know alot of people that will be offende by it.

Yea really? You think that people would riot and threaten to murder if inappropriate photos of Jesus or Shiva are being portrayed in mainstream media?

[captain storm]

I agree. Read my posts above where i claim that these are really the true muslims while the rest of you are just apologists, too afraid to follow what is the true teachings of Islam.


and you would know what is the true teaching of Islam??

[di vinci]

you are beyond repairevery one knows islam is about how yourpersonal interpretation of the sacred texts.. some ppl take it in the literal snese... some ppl take it in the spritual sense ... soem ppl have a deeper understanding and others take it which ever way they deem fit.

[captain storm]

Yea really? You think that people would riot and threaten to murder if inappropriate photos of Jesus or Shiva are being portrayed in mainstream media?


maybe thats because followers of Hinduism and Christianity have no respect for their religion by any chance!!!!

[di vinci]

Yea really? You think that people would riot and threaten to murder if inappropriate photos of Jesus or Shiva are being portrayed in mainstream media?
there was a case in paris where hindu idols were printed on designer shoes.. they were threaten with violence.. another case where hindu gods idol were palce in a strip club in the uk and it got atatcked teh the idols were removed.. isnt taht considered vioelnce.. jesus is scared to us msulim too

[Madrion]

maybe thats because followers of Hinduism and Christianity have no respect for their religion by any chance!!!!


OR........maybe they dont need to resort to violence as a be all end all solution. Maybe they are so secure with their own beliefs that when someone attacks them, they retaliate by NOT responding.

[Space-Cowboy]

maybe thats because followers of Hinduism and Christianity have no respect for their religion by any chance!!!!

Actually they do. They just understand that their God(s) are pretty laid back and take cartoon depictions in good stride. Disrespecting religion would be to go against it and start waging violence on the artist(s) who created the cartoons.

[Madrion]

there was a case in paris where hindu idols were printed on designer shoes.. they were threaten with violence.. another case where hindu gods idol were palce in a strip club in the uk and it got atatcked teh the idols were removed.. isnt taht considered vioelnce.. jesus is scared to us msulim too

So how many were killed in those Hindu instances? hmm? 0? thats what i thought. also, please state these with links although i give you the benefit of the doubt that they might be true.

Really? Muslims consider jesus as sacred huh? I dont see muslims(or anyone for that matter) rioting because there were PLENTY of blasphemous photos of Jesus in mainstream Western media.

[di vinci]

So how many were killed in those Hindu instances? hmm? 0? thats what i thought. also, please state these with links although i give you the benefit of the doubt that they might be true.

Really? Muslims consider jesus as sacred huh? I dont see muslims(or anyone for that matter) rioting because there were PLENTY of blasphemous photos of Jesus in mainstream Western media.
they did ban the veiwing of da vinci code movie im all of the muslik countries.

attacking someone elses property can be seen as vandalism.

[captain storm]

OR........maybe they dont need to resort to violence as a be all end all solution. Maybe they are so secure with their own beliefs that when someone attacks them, they retaliate by NOT responding.

yes of course, retaliate by not responding...how could i forget the dummies guide to be the butt of all jokes..

[Madrion]

yes of course, retaliate by not responding...how could i forget the dummies guide to be the butt of all jokes..

Of course how did i forget that you would obviously not understand what i am talking about? They should riot, threaten to kill and murder if possible and only then would it show that they respect their religion.

Thanks for the heads up.

Terrorist-in-the-making.

[captain storm]

Of course how did i forget that you would obviously not understand what i am talking about? They should riot, threaten to kill and murder if possible and only then would it show that they respect their religion.

Thanks for the heads up.

Terrorist-in-the-making.

ohh wow...on top of knowing everything you are also a future teller...well my friend, if showing respect towards my religion and defending it and its followers makes me a terrorist, i am proud to be one :D

[Space-Cowboy]

ohh wow...on top of knowing everything you are also a future teller...well my friend, if showing respect towards my religion and defending it and its followers makes me a terrorist, i am proud to be one :D

You know this site is being monitored right? Don't be too surprised if you end up in Gitmo. In fact, it would probably be a blessing unto humanity if you did.

[captain storm]

You know this site is being monitored right? Don't be too surprised if you end up in Gitmo. In fact, it would probably be a blessing unto humanity if you did.

again...to clarify my point if defending my religion makes me a terrorist, i am proud to be one...blessing unto "humanity", please don't make me laugh..humanity..what humanity?? whatever was left of it got screwed over by the west..

[jumpn jza]

Well, i consider irrational faith to be the main force behind "religious war" (an oxymoron??). Doesn't have to be instigated by Islam in particular.

Whenever humans see religious struggle as a way to be liberated from forces which seek to dominate them....instead of class struggle which is much more significant. Then we will continue to see class conflicts represented as religious conflicts.

Those in power are bound to use it to their own advantage, especially in a world that is naturally in a state of anarchy. So when the rich and powerful are in control of religious institutions, their influence is potentially quite vast and dangerous.

[Madrion]

again...to clarify my point if defending my religion makes me a terrorist, i am proud to be one...blessing unto "humanity", please don't make me laugh..humanity..what humanity?? whatever was left of it got screwed over by the west..

Where do you live?

[Space-Cowboy]

again...to clarify my point if defending my religion makes me a terrorist, i am proud to be one...blessing unto "humanity", please don't make me laugh..humanity..what humanity?? whatever was left of it got screwed over by the west..

Again, let me clarify; if you're willing to commit acts of terrorism in "defense" of your religion, then you should be locked away and you will be locked away.

You live in the UK, and therefore live in the west. If you feel screwed over then get out and go back to your country.

[Space-Cowboy]

Where do you live?

He lives in the UK. Why am I not surprised?

[captain storm]

Where do you live?

in Tora-Bora

[Madrion]

in Tora-Bora

sure you do

[captain storm]

He lives in the UK. Why am I not surprised?

it does not matter where i live, as i have not blamed particular nation or people if screwing the world over, i am blaming the governments of these countries...before making assumptions give some thought...but then why should i expect that from you guys..as you have pretty much made up your mind on everything!!

[Space-Cowboy]

sure you do

btw, the guy's profile says he drinks, goes clubbing, etc..... and he is a guy who is supposedly willing to be a champion of his faith.

Hypocrisy ftw. :rofl:

[Madrion]

again...to clarify my point if defending my religion makes me a terrorist, i am proud to be one...blessing unto "humanity", please don't make me laugh..humanity..what humanity?? whatever was left of it got screwed over by the west..

and again to clarify, the site is monitored and your ip address is probably logged somewhere for saying this. goodluck and have a great life defending your religion in a shithole of a prison somewhere

[captain storm]

btw, the guy's profile says he drinks, goes clubbing, etc..... and he is a guy who is supposedly willing to be a champion of his faith.

Hypocrisy ftw. :rofl:


what i do as a person has nothing to do with it... is that the best you could come up with?

[Space-Cowboy]

it does not matter where i live, as i have not blamed particular nation or people if screwing the world over, i am blaming the governments of these countries...before making assumptions give some thought...but then why should i expect that from you guys..as you have pretty much made up your mind on everything!!


No, you said "the west".

And even if you were blaming just the western governments. It is because of them that you are able to take for granted the freedom that you have and excercise your right to criticize these governments. In any Middle Eastern nation you would have been taken away and no one would ever see you again.


Again, picture perfect ungratefulness on your part.

[captain storm]

and again to clarify, the site is monitored and your ip address is probably logged somewhere for saying this. goodluck and have a great life defending your religion in a shithole of a prison somewhere


well thank you for the good luck wishes :D

[Space-Cowboy]

what i do as a person has nothing to do with it... is that the best you could come up with?

So you admit that you're a fucking hypocrite?

[Madrion]

what i do as a person has nothing to do with it... is that the best you could come up with?

Ok so you attribute the West to the evils of alcoholism, prostitution, adultery and what not.

Yet, you yourself drink, party, have probably engaged in pre-marital sex and you bullshit about how you want to defend your faith?

Please just shut up and go die somewhere? Where do they even let retards like you sign up over here?

[captain storm]

No, you said "the west".

And even if you were blaming just the western governments. It is because of them that you are able to take for granted the freedom that you have and excercise your right to criticize these governments. In any Middle Eastern nation you would have been taken away and no one would ever see you again.


Again, picture perfect ungratefulness on your part.

i have lost the will to argue these points with you, you just don't get it do you?!!!

[Space-Cowboy]

Ok so you attribute the West to the evils of alcoholism, prostitution, adultery and what not.

Yet, you yourself drink, party, have probably engaged in pre-marital sex and you bullshit about how you want to defend your faith?

Please just shut up and go die somewhere? Where do they even let retards like you sign up over here?

Well.... I mean, it is just a rating site.... Desi version of Hotornot.com afterall.. :dunno:

[captain storm]

Ok so you attribute the West to the evils of alcoholism, prostitution, adultery and what not.

Yet, you yourself drink, party, have probably engaged in pre-marital sex and you bullshit about how you want to defend your faith?

Please just shut up and go die somewhere? Where do they even let retards like you sign up over here?


aha...extremism on display, case closed

[Madrion]

i have lost the will to argue these points with you, you just don't get it do you?!!!

yea that happens sometimes when you have nothing to argue about and have been put in your place.

[Space-Cowboy]

i have lost the will to argue these points with you, you just don't get it do you?!!!

No, you don't get it:

You're an alcoholic terrorist who will end up in Gitmo and be made to duel a monkey in a knife-fight for fun and profit.

[foreverconfused]

maybe thats because followers of Hinduism and Christianity have no respect for their religion by any chance!!!!

There's a difference between having "respect" for your religion and being furious enough with critics to kill them.

All muslims who react with violence deserve to be secluded on a tiny island and have a nuclear bomb dropped on their heads. If that were possible, it would solve the world a lot of problems.

[Madrion]

Well.... I mean, it is just a rating site.... Desi version of Hotornot.com afterall.. :dunno:

true true. i lost sight of where i was

[captain storm]

No, you don't get it:

You're an alcoholic terrorist who will end up in Gitmo and be made to duel a monkey in a knife-fight for fun and profit.


you have a weired imagination..seek some help

[Madrion]

No, you don't get it:

You're an alcoholic terrorist who will end up in Gitmo and be made to duel a monkey in a knife-fight for fun and profit.
:rofl:

[foreverconfused]

there was a case in paris where hindu idols were printed on designer shoes.. they were threaten with violence.. another case where hindu gods idol were palce in a strip club in the uk and it got atatcked teh the idols were removed.. isnt taht considered vioelnce.. jesus is scared to us msulim too

exceptions don't prove anything.

the fact is muslims MORE OFTEN react with violence than ANY other group. That is an unquestionable fact.

[Madrion]

There's a difference between having "respect" for your religion and being furious enough with critics to kill them.

All muslims who react with violence deserve to be secluded on a tiny island and have a nuclear bomb dropped on their heads. If that were possible, it would solve the world a lot of problems.

Copyright infringement. That was originally my idea. And if you have not read my post on that, then its eerie how similar you think.

[captain storm]

There's a difference between having "respect" for your religion and being furious enough with critics to kill them.

All muslims who react with violence deserve to be secluded on a tiny island and have a nuclear bomb dropped on their heads. If that were possible, it would solve the world a lot of problems.


yes of course, and that solution comes from some one names FOREVER CONFUSED...may god help us all

[Madrion]

you have a weired imagination..seek some help

nice.

[foreverconfused]

yes of course, and that solution comes from some one names FOREVER CONFUSED...may god help us all

lol@ you telling me I'm confused.

you said it would be justifiable to involve yourself in terrorism. You're more confused than anyone.

[foreverconfused]

Copyright infringement. That was originally my idea. And if you have not read my post on that, then its eerie how similar you think.

huh? in this thread? lol, must have missed it.

[captain storm]

lol@ you telling me I'm confused.

you said it would be justifiable to involve yourself in terrorism. You're more confused than anyone.

have you guys all escaped from the same retard station?

terrorism to you means something different to you and it means something different to me, if you go back a few pages you will notice in my posts, where i have said that if defending my religion makes me a terrorist (according to you guys) than i will be a terrorist...

can't even hold a discussion with you guys...you are so intent on keeping me quite, you have no clue what you are saying

[Madrion]

have you guys all escaped from the same retard station?

terrorism to you means something different to you and it means something different to me, if you go back a few pages you will notice in my posts, where i have said that if defending my religion makes me a terrorist (according to you guys) than i will be a terrorist...

can't even hold a discussion with you guys...you are so intent on keeping me quite, you have no clue what you are saying

Yes and "defending your religion" means different things to you and us.

You think it is rioting, mudering and killing anyone who so much as dares to disrespect your religion.

We think it is to ignore idiots in the world who do not agree with your belief system.

[Madrion]

huh? in this thread? lol, must have missed it.

No no a long time ago in some thread some post. lol

[Space-Cowboy]

have you guys all escaped from the same retard station?

terrorism to you means something different to you and it means something different to me, if you go back a few pages you will notice in my posts, where i have said that if defending my religion makes me a terrorist (according to you guys) than i will be a terrorist...

can't even hold a discussion with you guys...you are so intent on keeping me quite, you have no clue what you are saying

We don't give a shit what terrorism means to you. If you take up violence in the name of your beliefs you can and will be locked up.