An Atheist's View On Sikhism...

[FlyDesiGrl]

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What say y'all?

It's an interesting read.

[ilyas@!!oops!!]

too small to read :neutral:

[~JATT DE PASAND~]

im so blind =[

[FlyDesiGrl]

Stop complaining, kids. All you have to do is right click, save...and zoom in and read it.

[*DesiPride*]

you might wanna sumarize it :sarb:

[LAKERFAN8]

Any article that uses Hitler to say 'even he praises them' is hella dumb :ugh:

[~JATT DE PASAND~]

you might wanna sumarize it :sarb:
wow lol

[JOHNNY K-BAR]

I was enjoying the read until I saw the authors use of "lol" ...although it was sent via email.

Anyways if I wasn't an atheist I'd prolly be a sikh.

[FlyDesiGrl]

you might wanna sumarize it :sarb:
Just flippin' read it. Shit.. :no:

[FlyDesiGrl]

Any article that uses Hitler to say 'even he praises them' is hella dumb :ugh:
Jest!

[FlyDesiGrl]

I was enjoying the read until I saw the authors use of "lol" ...although it was sent via email.

Anyways if I wasn't an atheist I'd prolly be a sikh.
You drink like one....:lol:

[*DesiPride*]

Just flippin' read it. Shit.. :no:

i read it LOL
i'm just saying ..
it's hella long :sarb:

[*DesiPride*]

wow lol
wow?:-|

[JOHNNY K-BAR]

You drink like one....:lol:
Lies.

[ancient_warrior]

LMFAO :rofl: @ article

[FlyDesiGrl]

i read it LOL
i'm just saying ..
it's hella long :sarb:
Mhmm, so what's your opinion?

[FlyDesiGrl]

Lies.
Your middle name is Kafir.

[ancient_warrior]

Even Hitler praised of their aryan heritage :rofl:

Sikhs might have been of scythian descent not aryan descent.

The person that wrote the article is obviously not smart.

Bullshiit propaganda :rolleyes:

[LAKERFAN8]

Even Hitler praised of their aryan heritage :rofl:

Sikhs are of scythian descent not aryan descent.

The person that wrote the article is obviously not smart.

Bullshiit propaganda :rolleyes:
Jatts maybe from Scythian descent but bulk of Sikhs came from the Khatri Hindu communities who were probably descended from the 'Aryans'.

I think its pretty well known now that their is no substantial halotype diffrences between the communities of North India, everyone mixed enough :hs: So yea, you are right its all bullshit

[ancient_warrior]

Jatts maybe from Scythian descent but bulk of Sikhs came from the Khatri Hindu communities who were probably descended from the 'Aryans'.

I think its pretty well known now that their is no substantial halotype diffrences between the communities of North India, everyone mixed enough :hs: So yea, you are right its all bullshit

Funny thing, most scientists claim that almost all indians/pakis have mix of some 22 different races aryan, scythian, mongloid, australoid, negroid, dravid, etc.

Essentially everybody is mixed up but people make up shiit out of false pride.

I guess that's how rumors become the truth.

[jumpn jza]

Don't really mind Sikhism actually. It's mostly the Abrahamic faiths that make me lol.

[jumpn jza]

I was enjoying the read until I saw the authors use of "lol" ...although it was sent via email.

Anyways if I wasn't an atheist I'd prolly be a sikh.

Yeh me too. Cool warrior religion with an awesome symbol. I actually wear a Karra which my sikh friend gave me a while back. I didn't know it was religious at the time though...just thought it was cool.

[PRCIV]

Don't really mind Sikhism actually. It's mostly the Abrahamic faiths that make me lol.

Werd my ni99a, werd

[LAKERFAN8]

Funny thing, most scientists claim that almost all indians/pakis have mix of some 22 different races aryan, scythian, mongloid, australoid, negroid, dravid, etc.

Essentially everybody is mixed up but people make up shiit out of false pride.

I guess that's how rumors become the truth.
Pretty much, the whole idea of race to mean anything scientific is not accepted anymore. Whats more useful is stuff like cline studies and all that jazz that geneticists use.

Race is the easiest thing to use to manipulate people though, that and religion :kekeke:

[PRCIV]

Funny thing, most scientists claim that almost all indians/pakis have mix of some 22 different races aryan, scythian, mongloid, australoid, negroid, dravid, etc.

Essentially everybody is mixed up but people make up shiit out of false pride.

I guess that's how rumors become the truth.

Untrue

[jumpn jza]

Werd my ni99a, werd

Anything to keep those evil Christians and Muslims from turning mighty Hindustan into their country ayy...well, thats your agenda. I just disagree with their concepts.




you fascist.

[jumpn jza]

Untrue

Explain.

[jumpn jza]

I don't see why the article brought up hitler as if to say that the sikhs have gained approval from him?? - srsly..

[PRCIV]

Explain.

I won't deny that there's been mixing to a pretty large degree throughout India but the population in certain parts of Southern India are genetically very distinct from Northern India

[sarblohsinghz]

The above article made easier for reading..

We were very impressed with your website and agreed that religion in general is no longer needed, we can all be humanistic and live in peace and harmony. We are in the process of making a website which will hopefully help to destroy the religious doctrines which divide humanity. We were doing great with knocking out Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Baha'i, even Buddhism but we have gotten very stuck with Sikhism. This religion is (to put it nicely) "a big pain in the ass" (Please pardon the language) We have only found one site which tries (very poorly) to argue that even this religion is not needed, but the argument is irrational and very unscientific unlike the very rational arguments you use. When we read the following from your website, we found what you said to be amazingly interesting: "Doubt Everything Find Your Own Light." "Last Words Dear friend, if you look for meaning in life, don’t look for it in religions; don’t go from one cult to another or from one guru to the next. You can expend all your life or look for eternity and will find nothing but disappointment and disillusionment. Look instead in service to humanity. You will find “meaning” in your love for other human beings. You can experience God when you help someone who needs your help. The only truth that counts is the love that we have for each other. This is absolute and real. The rest is mirage, fancies of human imagination and fallacies of our own making." By Ali Sina Why is this interesting? Because we found this religion of Sikhism to be in agreement with you! This is why we have a problem. We tried to look at their holy text (Adi Granth) but didnt find the usual absurdities we found in the other religious books. In fact its refreshingly inspiring and very good!? Maybe you can have some better luck. We tried to visit a couple of websites and got more of a shock. Did you know that they believed in Democracy, freedom of speech, choice, expression, freedom of religion, pluralism, human rights, equality between men and women, equality of all people regardless of race, religion, caste, creed, status etc. 300 years before the existance of the USA! Theirs is the only religion which says in their religious scriptures that women are equal in every respect to men. They even had women soldiers leading armies in to battle against "you know who" (The usual suspects - Muslims!) Their history is a proud one, they fought in both World Wars. Even Hitler praised them for their bravery and Aryan heritage! Dear Ali, this religion is hard for us to try and criticise but you are an expert and may find some faults overlooked by us. In their holy book, there is a round earth, water is made from chemical elements, there is even mention of the evoution process, big bang and life on other planets! This is pretty crazy and amazing stuff, who would have thought that these New York taxi drivers (There are lots of Sikh taxi drivers in NY) would have such an amzing faith? We read up some information of what Bertrand Russell had to say about Sikhism, this is the man who destroyed Christianity (same applies to Islam and Judaism) and exposed its absurdities, but even this great man got stuck when it came to Sikhism! In fact he gave up and said "that if some lucky men survive the onslaught of the third world war of atomic and hydrogen bombs, then the Sikh religion will be the only means of guiding them. Russell was asked that he was talking about the third world war, but isn't this religion capable of guiding mankind before the third world war? In reply, Russell said, "Yes, it has the capability, but the Sikhs have not brought out in the broad daylight, the splendid doctrines of this religion which has come into existence for the benefit of the entire mankind. This is their greatest sin and the Sikhs cannot be freed of it." Please bear in mind that Bertrand Russell was a great philosopher and free thinker. We have been trying for weeks now to find a way to fairly and rationally criticize and find fault with this religion but have failed. We even found out that there are many people converting to this religion in the USA and Europe as well as Russia (Mostly well educated and affluent white people). We tried to find some of their literature and see what kind of claims they make, but unfortunatley they have no missionary material as they do not have missionsaries! People become Sikh by learning usually by chance or by coming in to contact with them. They are currently the 5th biggest religion in the world and growing quite fast in the west and Russia. Please help us as we are stuck, to give you an example of they are all about we found the following websites: http://www.sikhnet.com (This is a pretty good site and helpful) http://www.hope.at/sikhism (This site is very easy to follow, check it out, they have a Womans section and a Martyrs section, it looks like that you are not the only one trying to expose the falseness of Islam, Sikhs scholars did it hundreds of years ago and got killed for it!) http://www.sikhs.org (This is the site that was on CNN when Sikhs in the USA were mistaken for Arabs and Middle Easterners and were attacked by mindless morons) Please help us out, we cant make our website about religion being the cause of war and disharmony when we have this one and only religion which makes a hell of a lot of sense! lol (I thought Atheism had all the answers but were kind of stuck now.) We look forward to hearing from you, we respect your great views and want to promote them to everyone, thank you for your time, take care. Dr. John Smith

[jumpn jza]

I won't deny that there's been mixing to a pretty large degree throughout India but the population in certain parts of Southern India are genetically very distinct from Northern India

Meh...who fucking knows. India is a place where tribes from everywhere came, settled and got jiggy creating our beautiful ethnic landscape...then of course you got some pompous assholes who insist on inbreeding :Ohno:



i kidd
i kidd

[LAKERFAN8]

I won't deny that there's been mixing to a pretty large degree throughout India but the population in certain parts of Southern India are genetically very distinct from Northern India
But what does human genetic variation really mean? If you were to take at random two people from a certain population and compare with someone from another population, the people who have more in common genetically are the people from different populations rather than the same.

[PRCIV]

Meh...who fucking knows. India is a place where tribes from everywhere came, settled and got jiggy creating our beautiful ethnic landscape...then of course you got some pompous assholes who insist on inbreeding :Ohno:



i kidd
i kidd

Troo, troo, and our most beautiful women are from the South :lulz:

Check out this documentary when you have time, it's called "The Journey of Man", it's brilllllliant

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=26D4689DBF14F73D

[jumpn jza]

Troo, troo, and our most beautiful women are from the South :lulz:

Check out this documentary when you have time, it's called "The Journey of Man", it's brilllllliant

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=26D4689DBF14F73D

Beauty is subjective and can be found everywhere...I'll check it man.

[reggie_xox]

I squinted so hard to read that that i got a headache.. now that i got to the second page of the thread i see someone has taken the time to type it out, fuck. :ashamed:

And lol, i dont think that is a real article. Meh, i wont argue it, im Sikh myself.

[killuminati87]

reggie!

[DasJa]

"Dr. John Smith"

From "Atheist society"



Bullshit!! There's no reference to any material, there's no proof of the author's legibility in this matter. Dr John Smith, might as well write Dr. Singh...shit's so commonplace.




I wouldn't be surprised if the real artist of this letter is an anti-Sikh muslim, hindu or a Sikh himself looking for an argument.

[aspaan]

"Dr. John Smith"

From "Atheist society"



Bullshit!! There's no reference to any material, there's no proof of the author's legibility in this matter. Dr John Smith, might as well write Dr. Singh...shit's so commonplace.




I wouldn't be surprised if the real artist of this letter is an anti-Sikh muslim, hindu or a Sikh himself looking for an argument.


i was gonna say that

i think the article is prolly written by an un imaginative sikh guy

who could only cone up with john smith

[BrownRanger]

"Dr. John Smith"

From "Atheist society"



Bullshit!! There's no reference to any material, there's no proof of the author's legibility in this matter. Dr John Smith, might as well write Dr. Singh...shit's so commonplace.




I wouldn't be surprised if the real artist of this letter is an anti-Sikh muslim, hindu or a Sikh himself looking for an argument.

i think you mean credibility?

[BrownRanger]

this article looks and reads like it was written unprofessionally, or was not meant to be published

[FlyDesiGrl]

this article looks and reads like it was written unprofessionally, or was not meant to be published
It's apparently an e-mail. But the whole John Smith name just makes it seem kinda fake. I dunno.

[reggie_xox]

reggie!
Killuminati!

[ancient_warrior]

Untrue

STFU u little biaatch :slap2:

[cococrisp]

lol @ the font....


:no:

[ewwwww]

That is obviously propaganda. No, aethists are not impressed by ANY religion.

[jumpn jza]

That is obviously propaganda. No, aethists are not impressed by ANY religion.

The only thing you can assume about an athiest is that they don't believe in God...nothing else, we are a diverse bunch with only 1 thing in common.

[Metal Monkey]

All the atheists I have met once used to believe in God and then some terrible personal tragedy took hold of them and turned them into angry non-beleivers. I think everyone deep down beleives in "something" not necessarily the old man in the clouds idea though.

[HeAvYmAcHiNeGuN]

lol @ the font....


:no:

:yes:

[jumpn jza]

All the atheists I have met once used to believe in God and then some terrible personal tragedy took hold of them and turned them into angry non-beleivers. I think everyone deep down beleives in "something" not necessarily the old man in the clouds idea though.

Not me. I became an athiest after this malu-catholic youth retreat in 05. I never questioned my beliefs before that but i had a chance to at the retreat...i thought about it, and ironically after the retreat, instead of strengthening my faith - i became a non-believer....years later i became an athiest.

[SarcasmicBengali]

this was such fucking bullshit...

no self respecting, objective and independent thinker would gush about a Religion like this, especialy when he claims to be against the concept of Religion to the point where he's trying to 'destroy' it. :rolleyes:
also, an Atheist wouldn't completely change his outlook on Atheism because he came across a Religion that 'makes a hell of a lot of sense', so damn easily.

on top of which the entire piece is very poorly written.
an intellectual 'Doctor' wouldn't refer to things as 'pain in the ass' or 'white people' or even 'lol' for fuck's sake, in a formal and possibly public letter/e-mail.
this seems more like an impressionable mind telling friends about something they're doing for a school project or some ass..

even the name John Smith sounds shady.

[DasJa]

All the atheists I have met once used to believe in God and then some terrible personal tragedy took hold of them and turned them into angry non-beleivers. I think everyone deep down beleives in "something" not necessarily the old man in the clouds idea though.
Me neither. My loss of faith was gradual. I have faith in science and logic, as opposed to a sky daddy who'll judge my actions on earth after I'm dead.

[Metal Monkey]

Not me. I became an athiest after this malu-catholic youth retreat in 05. I never questioned my beliefs before that but i had a chance to at the retreat...i thought about it, and ironically after the retreat, instead of strengthening my faith - i became a non-believer....years later i became an athiest.

Admit that you're just plain unimaginative. Ofcourse the universal autorikshaw exists. Open your heart and feel the cosmic love dude.

[Metal Monkey]

Me neither. My loss of faith was gradual. I have faith in science and logic, as opposed to a sky daddy who'll judge my actions on earth after I'm dead.

Listen you fobby man-whore science opens up more questions then answers...you don't need some nerdy twit in a laboratary to tell you God doesn't exist...after all how can science test the existence of God when there is no set hypothesis or even ideal of what God actually is? Sceince works on a set pattern of testing and results...how do you begin to measure God??? If there is no theory on what the "big man" is, how do you begin to scientifically test his existence??? Wheres the logic in that pal??? HUH??? And what if he ain't really a man but a woman... you'll miss your chance to mingle in with the cosmic goddess. Then what will you do??? You surely won't be calling yourself a man-whore then, will ya, cause you will have missed that particular boat.

[DasJa]

Listen you fobby man-whore science opens up more questions then answers...you don't need some nerdy twit in a laboratary to tell you God doesn't exist...after all how can science test the existence of God when there is no set hypothesis or even ideal of what God actually is? Sceince works on a set pattern of testing and results...how do you begin to measure God??? If there is no theory on what the "big man" is, how do you begin to scientifically test his existence??? Wheres the logic in that pal??? HUH??? And what if he ain't really a man but a woman... you'll miss your chance to mingle in with the cosmic goddess. Then what will you do??? You surely won't be calling yourself a man-whore then, will ya, cause you will have missed that particular boat.
Lol...you're attempt at wit is pathetic.


I'm not gonna argue here and prove HOW and why God does or does not exist. It's been done a million times before on this site. If you're that interested to see the argument, look for any of Space_Cowboy's or my posts.

[Metal Monkey]

Lol...you're attempt at wit is pathetic.


I'm not gonna argue here and prove HOW and why God does or does not exist. It's been done a million times before on this site. If you're that interested to see the argument, look for any of Space_Cowboy's or my posts.


I wasn't attempting to be be witty...we agree on one point :D at least. One can't assume anything about God, his existence or lack there of. To make that assumption is illogical and as you are such a fond beleiver in logic, surely you agree, no???

And I'm way to lazy (and logical) to look up Space Cowboy's(???) or your old posts on the subject. Its high time militant atheists stop flaunting science and logic at people who wish to have a faith, thats all I wanted to point out. One's beliefs are their own and are the ultimate culimination of experience and inner reflection. The other was that athiests (at least the ones I have met) always seem very angry about God and methinks that you sound just a teeny-weeny little bit angry, afterall I detected much scorn in your reply. I'm not used to people calling me pathetic...I'm so hurt...shucks you've gone and broke my e-heart...is that the way you welcome newbies around here??? Well you can go and burn in e-hell. :sad:

[Space-Cowboy]

I wasn't attempting to be be witty...we agree on one point :D at least. One can't assume anything about God, his existence or lack there of. To make that assumption is illogical and as you are such a fond beleiver in logic, surely you agree, no???

And I'm way to lazy (and logical) to look up Space Cowboy's(???) or your old posts on the subject. Its high time militant atheists stop flaunting science and logic at people who wish to have a faith, thats all I wanted to point out. One's beliefs are their own and are the ultimate culimination of experience and inner reflection. The other was that athiests (at least the ones I have met) always seem very angry about God and methinks that you sound just a teeny-weeny little bit angry, afterall I detected much scorn in your reply. I'm not used to people calling me pathetic...I'm so hurt...shucks you've gone and broke my e-heart...is that the way you welcome newbies around here??? Well you can go and burn in e-hell. :sad:


Number of people killed in the name of religion: 541,638,503++++


Number of people killed in the name of atheism: 0

[desi_stan]

Number of people killed in the name of religion: 541,638,503++++


Number of people killed in the name of atheism: 0

mannnnnnnnnnn ... u have said alot in dese two lill sentences..

[jumpn jza]

Admit that you're just plain unimaginative. Ofcourse the universal autorikshaw exists. Open your heart and feel the cosmic love dude.

imagination doesn't equate to what i believe reality to be.

[ewwwww]

I wasn't attempting to be be witty...we agree on one point :D at least. One can't assume anything about God, his existence or lack there of. To make that assumption is illogical and as you are such a fond beleiver in logic, surely you agree, no???

And I'm way to lazy (and logical) to look up Space Cowboy's(???) or your old posts on the subject. Its high time militant atheists stop flaunting science and logic at people who wish to have a faith, thats all I wanted to point out. One's beliefs are their own and are the ultimate culimination of experience and inner reflection. The other was that athiests (at least the ones I have met) always seem very angry about God and methinks that you sound just a teeny-weeny little bit angry, afterall I detected much scorn in your reply. I'm not used to people calling me pathetic...I'm so hurt...shucks you've gone and broke my e-heart...is that the way you welcome newbies around here??? Well you can go and burn in e-hell. :sad:

Seriusly wtf is wrong with you? There are fossils and carbon dating to prove that evolution took place & there is no 'God'. Have you been living under a rock?