Minister warns of ‘inbred’ Muslims

[sarblohsinghz]

I read something similar like this in the Times newspaper last week and was shocked. Pakistani families need to stop this idea of keeping money in the family and getting married to cousins.
Me being a sikh and just the thought of checkin my cousins out is like :ugh: let alone the thought of marriage

What are the thoughts of the general muslims on here, Would you be forced into a cousin marriage by parent or will you have a say. I see its harder for girls as they dont have much say. link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=513757&in_page_id=1879)
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_02/marryDM1102_228x462.jpg

Actual article below

Minister warns of ‘inbred’ Muslims
A government minister has warned that inbreeding among immigrants is causing a surge in birth defects - comments likely to spark a new row over the place of Muslims in British society.

Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.”

The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: “The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children].”

Woolas emphasised the practice did not extend to all Muslim communities but was confined mainly to families originating from rural Pakistan. However, up to half of all marriages within these communities are estimated to involve first cousins.

Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses.

The minister’s comments come as Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, rejected calls to resign over claims that Islamic law should be introduced in Britain. “I’m not contemplating resignation,” he told friends.

Williams insists his remarks were misinterpreted and that he was not advocating a parallel sharia jurisdiction for Muslims, but Lord Carey, his predecessor, warned acceptance of Muslim laws in Britain would be "disastrous".

The archbishop is believed to have received hate mail since he made his controversial comments but has rejected offers of round-the-clock police protection.

Williams is set to clash with the government again this week by voicing opposition to plans to extend detention without charge for terrorist suspects to 42 days.

Woolas, who represents the ethnically mixed seat of Oldham East and Saddleworth, has previously warned that Muslim women who wear headscarves could provoke “fear and resentment”. Yesterday, he was similarly outspoken.

“If you talk to any primary care worker they will tell you that levels of disability among the . . . Pakistani population are higher than the general population. And everybody knows it’s caused by first cousin marriage.

continue article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece)

[baby_gal_naz]

I ain't paki and I ain't a retard.

I personally wouldn't wanna marry my cousin, but if someone feels sexually attracted to their cousin so be it. Heck, I wouldn't be alive if my 'rents didn't get freaky. Way too many people exaggerate this whole birth defects/disability thing when that's pretty much only the case when people's parents + grandparents are cousins too.

[RacingSoul]

I ain't paki and I ain't a retard.

I personally wouldn't wanna marry my cousin, but if someone feels sexually attracted to their cousin so be it. Heck, I wouldn't be alive if my 'rents didn't get freaky. Way too many people exaggerate this whole birth defects/disability thing when that's pretty much only the case when people's parents + grandparents are cousins too.

no they dont. u ARE retarded after all.

[nikefc7]

I read something similar like this in the Times newspaper last week and was shocked. Pakistani families need to stop this idea of keeping money in the family and getting married to cousins.
Me being a sikh and just the thought of checkin my cousins out is like :ugh: let alone the thought of marriage

What are the thoughts of the general muslims on here, Would you be forced into a cousin marriage by parent or will you have a say. I see its harder for girls as they dont have much say. link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=513757&in_page_id=1879)
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_02/marryDM1102_228x462.jpg

Actual article below

Minister warns of ‘inbred’ Muslims
A government minister has warned that inbreeding among immigrants is causing a surge in birth defects - comments likely to spark a new row over the place of Muslims in British society.

Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.”

The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: “The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children].”

Woolas emphasised the practice did not extend to all Muslim communities but was confined mainly to families originating from rural Pakistan. However, up to half of all marriages within these communities are estimated to involve first cousins.

Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses.

The minister’s comments come as Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, rejected calls to resign over claims that Islamic law should be introduced in Britain. “I’m not contemplating resignation,” he told friends.

Williams insists his remarks were misinterpreted and that he was not advocating a parallel sharia jurisdiction for Muslims, but Lord Carey, his predecessor, warned acceptance of Muslim laws in Britain would be "disastrous".

The archbishop is believed to have received hate mail since he made his controversial comments but has rejected offers of round-the-clock police protection.

Williams is set to clash with the government again this week by voicing opposition to plans to extend detention without charge for terrorist suspects to 42 days.

Woolas, who represents the ethnically mixed seat of Oldham East and Saddleworth, has previously warned that Muslim women who wear headscarves could provoke “fear and resentment”. Yesterday, he was similarly outspoken.

“If you talk to any primary care worker they will tell you that levels of disability among the . . . Pakistani population are higher than the general population. And everybody knows it’s caused by first cousin marriage.

continue article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece)

first of its a pakistani thing not a muslim thing.
learn to diffrentiate between the two then we can discuss.

[sarblohsinghz]

first of its a pakistani thing not a muslim thing.
learn to diffrentiate between the two then we can discuss.

I dont think you read or, that is dont get processed properly inside that pee brain of yours. I had said
" Pakistani families need to stop this idea of keeping money in the family and getting married to cousins."

[Kasheer]

I personally wouldnt fukin dare!
The thought meks me sick, neither ma parents or grandparents are related, however i have cousins who marry into each others families.

Way i see it, if a man can marry a man, and add to the spread of std's (ye ye you'll say straight people spread it more, but there is alot more disease spread through anal sex), then a cousin shud be allowed to marry their cousin, heck the royal family been practising it for years, nor the bible or quran says its a sin or wrong! Fact!

However in the quran it states if you know there may be problems for the child which is born out of a certain marriage, then refrain from doing so, e.g birth defects.

I personally disagree with it, but if one wishes to do it, then thats their wishes, many people of many backgrounds do it, the pakistanis do it a bit tooooooo much, and should refrain, whats so friggin important about keepin it in the family, what is so damn pure about your blood!?!!

[Kasheer]

first of its a pakistani thing not a muslim thing.
learn to diffrentiate between the two then we can discuss.

BULLSHIT!
Many muslims and non muslims marry their cousins, i know of many arabs who marry their cousins too!

[Japreek]

I ain't paki and I ain't a retard.

I personally wouldn't wanna marry my cousin, but if someone feels sexually attracted to their cousin so be it. Heck, I wouldn't be alive if my 'rents didn't get freaky. Way too many people exaggerate this whole birth defects/disability thing when that's pretty much only the case when people's parents + grandparents are cousins too.
oh hawt dayum! for sure u ain't! :wavey:

[jumpn jza]

Well, inbreeding can lead to mental problems such as insanity...ohhh :shock:...thats why our paki brethren are a fundie, fanatic, crazy lot...END COUSIN SEX

[Z4K5T4R]

I've seen people get married to cousins, it's accepted in Islam - Never have i seen a kid turn out to be disabled but then again i'm not saying it doesn't happen. I did watch a documentary on how it's to do with the DNA if both the parents match then the chances of the kid being diabled is high. Relatives are more likely to have this, in having so can lead to disabled children, but how do you explain the Non-Pakistani/Muslims that have disabled children?


One day Scientists say you can drink alcohol it's good for your health, you can smoke whilst you are pregnant, you can drink whilst you are pregnant, next day they will say it has been scientifically proven that drinking harms the baby, smoking is bad for your health and so forth.

Seriously, marrying cousins was accepted even in the English culture in so and so many centuries ago funny how now that Pakistani cultures continues and Islam accepts this, it is look down upon.
Will there be any peace in leaving the Pakistani community alone?

[selina_786]

You need any excuse to hate on Muslims don't you?

Sad bastard.

[selina_786]

first of its a pakistani thing not a muslim thing.
learn to diffrentiate between the two then we can discuss.
It is not if you look back into history. Although pakistanis have carried on with this tradition into todays generation.

[selina_786]

I've seen people get married to cousins, it's accepted in Islam - Never have i seen a kid turn out to be disabled but then again i'm not saying it doesn't happen. I did watch a documentary on how it's to do with the DNA if both the parents match then the chances of the kid being diabled is high. Relatives are more likely to have this, in having so can lead to disabled children, but how do you explain the Non-Pakistani/Muslims that have disabled children?


One day Scientists say you can drink alcohol it's good for your health, you can smoke whilst you are pregnant, you can drink whilst you are pregnant, next day they will say it has been scientifically proven that drinking harms the baby, smoking is bad for your health and so forth.

Seriously, marrying cousins was accepted even in the English culture in so and so many centuries ago funny how now that Pakistani cultures continues and Islam accepts this, it is look down upon.
Will there be any peace in leaving the Pakistani community alone?
Dude, its over exagerrated. Look at the pakistani population, the percentage of children/adults with defects are not any higher than populations as a whole in other countries.
The reason why cousin sex is unpromoted is because it's seem immoral therefore the 'higher risk' warning is rampantly "obsessed" over.

[nabx]

I think there are many things being ignored in this conversation

The first thing to understand is why cousin marrage is not prohabitied within muslims

There is a big valid reason to this if you go and read a bit more or try to understand the concept i think people woudent hate marrying their cousins.

[Z4K5T4R]

You fail.

You limit the gene pool whoch is why diabilities are more likely. So probability is higher if you marry in the family. It's a simple mathematical model. If your family has a recessive, disability causing, gene, then by marrying in the family you are more likely to have this gene being paired with another recessive one, hence being one of the unwanted side effects.

For the case of disabilities in non inbred fams, the same as the above applies, but chances are lower. The reason why there are still diabilities is because there is still a non zero probability of it happening, and due to the simple number of kids being born, there WILL be some born with defects.

Zak. :no:
i swear what you just wrote is in a technical term to the simplified down version of what i wrote - am not disagreeing with what you have wrote, am saying it happens theres' no deny over that, it's a higher risk within families.

[Hands]

inbreeding is the issue, why religion gotta be brought into this, inbreeding happens all over the world, nigguhs is strangem what can i say but u cant say its a muslim thing y0

fuck it, i wouldnt marry a desi anyway, and have brown babies, no thanks, its all about creating new exciting thigs :yes:

[di vinci]

inbreeding is the issue, why religion gotta be brought into this, inbreeding happens all over the world, nigguhs is strangem what can i say but u cant say its a muslim thing y0

fuck it, i wouldnt marry a desi anyway, and have brown babies, no thanks, its all about creating new exciting thigs :yes:
yeah i know your game boy. yu want a chinky son so the triads can sell you bootleg dvds at cutprice

[Logical_Uzi]

The Royal Family still do it (for centuries).

This artical is misleading; trying to have a dig at Islam? When it's a backward Indo-Pak issue. The whole 'cousin marrying thing in the Pakistani community is dying down anyway. I would say 3/4 of 2nd and 3rd gen. relatives/cousin don't even do 'cousin marriages. Well mine anyway.

[PRCIV]

It's because of inbreeding that Pakistan had the highest population of "rat people". I heard in a documentary that 60% of Pakistani marriages are between first cousins :ugh: That number seems a little fuckin high

[Hands]

yeah i know your game boy. yu want a chinky son so the triads can sell you bootleg dvds at cutprice
why u have to bring my offspring into this

u barshtud :squint:

[noob]

It is primarily a Muslim thing.

http://www.consang.net/images/0/0e/Globalcolorsmall.jpg

It's well known to lower IQ also. It's a backwards practice that needs to be phased out.

[boysfromthesouth]

this thread sucks goat teets.

[4u2nvqt]

lets get one thing right, its more over pakistanis who do this then muslims at whole,
islam in fact incourages to marry outside of the family. an yes inbred does cause many types of problems at whole theres a few case studies done in bradford, as the general pop of pakistanis live here, i guess its not really a money thing more to get the bond betweent he family stronger. its strange but every sect,community does it out there,,,
so lets no get carried away with this,

[4u2nvqt]

by the way, these kind of reports are very beneficial to the pakistanis to see what kind of damage can be done i.e. gait,cognitive impairments, physical disabilities play a massive role for these unfortunate infants whose lives will for ever change, ill try posting the report from bradford hospital here of the report which was done, very interesting and helpful, so appriciate these findings and hate less, at the same time lets not forget its not only pakistanis who have kids,,,,

[undercova_luva]

I think you find in islam that marriage within family is encouraged as the prophet muhammad gave away his daughter to his cusin ali right? correct me if im wrong.
So in islamic tradition marriage within family is islamically ok so dont use the argument that islam doesnt allow it cos it clearly does hence why many pakistani familes I know encourage interfamily marriage.

[punjabimunda3000]

cousin marriage is the most disgusting thing in the world. Your cousins are like your brothers and sisters, if it causes any health problems or not it should be banned.

[undercova_luva]

cousin marriage is the most disgusting thing in the world. Your cousins are like your brothers and sisters, if it causes any health problems or not it should be banned.

eh, each to their own mate. Dont judge

[chowdury]

I dont think you read or, that is dont get processed properly inside that pee brain of yours. I had said
" Pakistani families need to stop this idea of keeping money in the family and getting married to cousins."


its titled as muslim in bold that has a phoc affect

[jumpn jza]

mannnnn...theres no fundies to pick on anymore...:sad:

[Metal Monkey]

People really need to wake up to the fact that inbreeding is actually causing quite a strain on the national health service. Lets not be coy now...theres no denying fact. Its pointless to say "paki-hater" or "muslim-hater" because someone brought this subject up. Everyone knows that its quite common for first cousins to marry in the pakastani community. People need to be made aware of this issue and need to educate themselves. My friend works in the NHS in a specialist eye centre where she sees so many pakastani people suffering from debilitating genetic diseases that effect the eyes...bad genes passed from generation to generation through cousin marriages. Ill Health is terrible to have to cope with throughout your life but just imagine how hard loosing your eye sight and becoming blind could be. Poor women being made to feel as if its their fault that sick offspring are being born when they didn't have any choice or say in the matter as to whom they married. This issue needs facing head on by our pakastani brethren and young people must learn not to sweep issues such as this under the carpet. Educate yourselves and embrace a healthy future say "NO" to cousin marriage.