Echelon
January 29th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Re: http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=250168&highlight=premarital
Most people will read the above thread and brush it off as a silly set of fear mongering arguments, which for the most part is a valid reason.
1)Advantage for a Man While the Woman Loses Out in Double Standards
This is purely subjective and based on peoples view on sexuality as a whole. The term slut is going to be relative. Where I live, and where pre-marital sex is something common, sluts and whores aren't really determined by whether someone has had sex or not, it's more to do with the conditions of how everything took place and her general behavior. There is also an emerging genre of women known as man eaters who successfully even after sex come out as the "victors" in this emotional game.
2) Aping the Western Culture
The funny thing about this is that sexual revolutions in the West were somewhat influenced by a more free and sexually enlightened India. You can read about this in various historical references detailing ancient India to the Kamasutra. Prior to Kamasutra, there have been historical texts to suggest that ancient India was sexually tolerant as many modern euro and east asian countries (wikipedia). India experienced a sexual devolution due to religious revolution and victorian influences of the West, whilst the west experienced a sexual revolution through India's sexual ideology.
3) Disadvantage of the sexual revolution and rally for no premarital sex in the U.S. -- this title is wrong, as specified in my above response.
This girl seriously has fundamental views on both sexuality and pornography. In a free society, there are going to be advantages and disadvantages. Commercialisation and marketing of sex is inevitable. There are things however to regulate and moderate the content so that people without the capacity to decide i.e. minors aren't able to view unsuitable content.
Promiscuity amongst men and having sex with different females in polygamous relationship isn't something thats heavily influenced by modern culture. The nature argument here is that Males have a natural desire to become the alpha male and comes in only to get what he wants. The bastardisation of males is not attributed to an open sexual society, but more to do with instinct.
4) Religion and Religiosity
Religion and sexuality is a perplexing argument. The girl replied that sexuality lacked spirituality and religion -- this is untrue, especially for desis, as most eastern religious faiths have tantric traditions with sexual rites.
5) Peer Pressure
The greatest problem in her argument here is that she too is affected by pressure of conformity -- i.e. become pious and opt for an arranged marriage. She is affected more by a collective idea rather than personal choice too, much more than someone living in a sexually free society and acting out on a "hormonal" need rather than a cultural need. Everything she has stated in this argument is applicable to a marriage strict society.
6) Reel v Real
Any form of media or communication can portray an ideology whether it be sex or marriage to be the most "glamorous" and "correct" way for someone to live their life. For her it might be general cultural/familial expectations voiced by her parents and friends, for others it might be an onscreen drama. People are always going to be affected by the "general consensus". She also goes on to how experience differs etc, but she fails to point out that sex in itself is a very natural thing with both physical and emotional elements. The man-made protocols such as arranged marriage courting only attempt to regulate how people should feel. She speaks in a very idealistic manner in how "marriage" and "sex" works, but she really isn't being realistic. There are always going to be shitty situations in both arranged marriage and pre-marital relationships. It's all a matter of choice and how well people are able to select. Safe-guarding our ability to choose will only hinder our ability to realise what our needs are. Sure we may "burn" our fingers in the process, but thats a part of life and as they say, no pain, no pleasure.
Us humans just need to be smart about shit, wrapping ourselves in protocol like arranged marriage to safegaurd our senses from possible dangers such as emotional hardship, std's or pregnancy etc is a bullshit way of managing our lives.
Every single one of us strives to find some sense of resonance with our dreams. And for most individuals, our dreams aren't dictated by a pre-written script on what is right or wrong, but more so related to who we are as a person.
Most people will read the above thread and brush it off as a silly set of fear mongering arguments, which for the most part is a valid reason.
1)Advantage for a Man While the Woman Loses Out in Double Standards
This is purely subjective and based on peoples view on sexuality as a whole. The term slut is going to be relative. Where I live, and where pre-marital sex is something common, sluts and whores aren't really determined by whether someone has had sex or not, it's more to do with the conditions of how everything took place and her general behavior. There is also an emerging genre of women known as man eaters who successfully even after sex come out as the "victors" in this emotional game.
2) Aping the Western Culture
The funny thing about this is that sexual revolutions in the West were somewhat influenced by a more free and sexually enlightened India. You can read about this in various historical references detailing ancient India to the Kamasutra. Prior to Kamasutra, there have been historical texts to suggest that ancient India was sexually tolerant as many modern euro and east asian countries (wikipedia). India experienced a sexual devolution due to religious revolution and victorian influences of the West, whilst the west experienced a sexual revolution through India's sexual ideology.
3) Disadvantage of the sexual revolution and rally for no premarital sex in the U.S. -- this title is wrong, as specified in my above response.
This girl seriously has fundamental views on both sexuality and pornography. In a free society, there are going to be advantages and disadvantages. Commercialisation and marketing of sex is inevitable. There are things however to regulate and moderate the content so that people without the capacity to decide i.e. minors aren't able to view unsuitable content.
Promiscuity amongst men and having sex with different females in polygamous relationship isn't something thats heavily influenced by modern culture. The nature argument here is that Males have a natural desire to become the alpha male and comes in only to get what he wants. The bastardisation of males is not attributed to an open sexual society, but more to do with instinct.
4) Religion and Religiosity
Religion and sexuality is a perplexing argument. The girl replied that sexuality lacked spirituality and religion -- this is untrue, especially for desis, as most eastern religious faiths have tantric traditions with sexual rites.
5) Peer Pressure
The greatest problem in her argument here is that she too is affected by pressure of conformity -- i.e. become pious and opt for an arranged marriage. She is affected more by a collective idea rather than personal choice too, much more than someone living in a sexually free society and acting out on a "hormonal" need rather than a cultural need. Everything she has stated in this argument is applicable to a marriage strict society.
6) Reel v Real
Any form of media or communication can portray an ideology whether it be sex or marriage to be the most "glamorous" and "correct" way for someone to live their life. For her it might be general cultural/familial expectations voiced by her parents and friends, for others it might be an onscreen drama. People are always going to be affected by the "general consensus". She also goes on to how experience differs etc, but she fails to point out that sex in itself is a very natural thing with both physical and emotional elements. The man-made protocols such as arranged marriage courting only attempt to regulate how people should feel. She speaks in a very idealistic manner in how "marriage" and "sex" works, but she really isn't being realistic. There are always going to be shitty situations in both arranged marriage and pre-marital relationships. It's all a matter of choice and how well people are able to select. Safe-guarding our ability to choose will only hinder our ability to realise what our needs are. Sure we may "burn" our fingers in the process, but thats a part of life and as they say, no pain, no pleasure.
Us humans just need to be smart about shit, wrapping ourselves in protocol like arranged marriage to safegaurd our senses from possible dangers such as emotional hardship, std's or pregnancy etc is a bullshit way of managing our lives.
Every single one of us strives to find some sense of resonance with our dreams. And for most individuals, our dreams aren't dictated by a pre-written script on what is right or wrong, but more so related to who we are as a person.