Gay & Muslim - Channel 4

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

This was shown a while back on C4 - said to be ground breaking but some muslims branded it as 'negative portrayal'. Here are links provided for those who missed the episode - what are your thoughts?

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For the backward folk - this is not a attempt to downtrod Islam.

[jumpn jza]

That must suck real bad...being born gay into a muslim family.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

That must suck real bad...being born gay into a muslim family.

Yeah, some even decide to marry a female just to make their parents happy :no: then again if they went out and openly admitted their sexuality that would result in death threats & a life of pure hell.

No win situation.

[jumpn jza]

Yeah, some even decide to marry a female just to make their parents happy :no: then again if they went out and openly admitted their sexuality that would result in death threats & a life of pure hell.

No win situation.

They should denounce their faith and defy their parents...easier said than done i know.

btw. Does Sikhism accept homosexuality.?

[sWeEtnDsOuR]

They should denounce their faith and defy their parents...easier said than done i know.

btw. Does Sikhism accept homosexuality.?
i've never heard anything against or for it in sikhism but :dunno:

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

They should denounce their faith and defy their parents...easier said than done i know.

btw. Does Sikhism accept homosexuality.?

The guru granth sahib does not mention homosexuality in detail compared to a married life between a man & a woman, which is highlighted.

Homosexual attitudes & thoughts are seen as a manifestation of lust, something which a individual should be able to control.

Though it's not a main concern in Sikhi - as the faith has one goal which is to promote peace & humanity, regardless of creed, sexuality etc.

Society will just always have a tendency of twisting things around.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Haven't seen it yet but WHY ALWAYS PUT ISLAM ON THE SPOT?

Christianity and Judaism also calls for EXECUTING SODOMITES! So why only portray ISLAM as being strict towards them fags?

I'm amazed at these double-standards in the "WEST" and least shocked at it's frequency ....

[Echelon]

Haven't seen it yet but WHY ALWAYS PUT ISLAM ON THE SPOT?

Christianity and Judaism also calls for EXECUTING SODOMITES! So why only portray ISLAM as being strict towards them fags?

I'm amazed at these double-standards in the "WEST" and least shocked at it's frequency ....

Dude, wtf. Their have been countless documentaries in the past with abrahamic ideologies being conflicting with homosexual life. Everyone knows the religious opposition, but it makes an interesting comparison with the cultural values and family life of Islam.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

The guru granth sahib does not mention homosexuality in detail compared to a married life between a man & a woman, which is highlighted.

Homosexual attitudes & thoughts are seen as a manifestation of lust, something which a individual should be able to control.

Though it's not a main concern in Sikhi - as the faith has one goal which is to promote peace & humanity, regardless of creed, sexuality etc.

Society will just always have a tendency of twisting things around.

What is there to explain "in detail"? Its either a GREEN or RED Light!

Secondly, if SIKHISM is really for humanity, then it really should've denounced HOMOSEXUALITY (not that I'm saying it doesn't) as this is not even seen in the ANIMALS!

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Dude, wtf. Their have been countless documentaries in the past with abrahamic ideologies being conflicting with homosexual life. Everyone knows the religious opposition, but it makes an interesting comparison with the cultural values and family life of Islam.

Perhaps.

[ewwwww]

Retards...you cant choose to be straight/gay. Its genetic. It like saying have autism is a sin. All these religious freaks are plain stupid to live their lives by a book which was written over 2000 yrs ago.

[Echelon]

Retards...you cant choose to be straight/gay. Its genetic. It like saying have autism is a sin. All these religious freaks are plain stupid to live their lives by a book which was written over 2000 yrs ago.

I think the genetic homosexuality argument is open to debate.

[PakPlaya69]

There is no such thing as being born gay .. These idiots just seek some extra attention :ugh:

[ewwwww]

There is no such thing as being born gay .. These idiots just seek some extra attention :ugh:
Seriously, why would anyone want to stick his stuff up someone's ass for attention? It seems to me that there is some sort of mutation in a gene, which causes homosexuality.

[RacingSoul]

Retards...you cant choose to be straight/gay. Its genetic. It like saying have autism is a sin. All these religious freaks are plain stupid to live their lives by a book which was written over 2000 yrs ago.

moronic statement.

[ewwwww]

I think the genetic homosexuality argument is open to debate.
That is true. But there is recent research that created gay fruit flies by altering them genetically.

[RacingSoul]

That is true. But there is recent research that created gay fruit flies by altering them genetically.

LOL @ gay fruitflies.

[ewwwww]

moronic statement.
I understand that your religion prohibits homosexuality. However from a religion perspective, why would God create gay people if it was so sinful?

[RacingSoul]

I understand that your religion prohibits homosexuality. However from a religion perspective, why would God create gay people if it was so sinful?
i'm not muslim.

genetics isn't all that goes into making a person homosexual...it's more of environmental factors.

[ewwwww]

LOL @ gay fruitflies.
i know the analogy is quite amusing :D

[ewwwww]

i'm not muslim.

genetics isn't all that goes into making a person homosexual...it's more of environmental factors.
Perhaps that is true, as homosexuality is very common in arab countries where communication between the opposite sexes is very uncommon. Also, many laborers in these countries are said to be forced into being bi/gay due to lack of conjugal relations (their wifes are back home).
However, that does not explain why there are homosexuals in the west. Many 'gays' while growing up do have sex with women and realize that they have an aversion to this (as in the case of 'Abdulla' in the video). Probably both a genetic & environmental factor?

[N0M0R3]

I understand that your religion prohibits homosexuality. However from a religion perspective, why would God create gay people if it was so sinful?

Allaah does not create anyone just to punish or torture them. He created mankind to worship Him, but He may try His slaves with hardship as a test of their faith, to expiate for their sins and to raise their status. Allaah is too Just to force a person to commit sin and then punish him. On the contrary, people commit sins by their own free choice – like these perverted people – and it is for this that they deserve to be punished.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and your Lord treats no one with injustice” [al-Kahf 18:49]

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Nay, Allaah never commands Fahshaa’ (evil deeds, unlawful sexual intercourse). Do you say of Allaah what you know not?” [al-A’raaf 7:28]

"Their" claim that their orientation is natural serves only to propagate and spread immorality, and it is just an excuse for them.their deed as wrongdoing and immoral...!!

[jumpn jza]

i've never heard anything against or for it in sikhism but :dunno:

so...would it then be possible for a sikh to be fully practising his/her religion and be a homosexual?....if that were possible, what a wonderful religion that would be!

[jumpn jza]

The guru granth sahib does not mention homosexuality in detail compared to a married life between a man & a woman, which is highlighted.

Homosexual attitudes & thoughts are seen as a manifestation of lust, something which a individual should be able to control.

Though it's not a main concern in Sikhi - as the faith has one goal which is to promote peace & humanity, regardless of creed, sexuality etc.

Society will just always have a tendency of twisting things around.

Good to see...rarely see anything negative in sikhism...good on you guys.

[-Ziad-]

Why'd you make this thread?

[-Ziad-]

I understand that your religion prohibits homosexuality. However from a religion perspective, why would God create gay people if it was so sinful?Same reason he created man. To test him.

It's not a sin to be born gay, it's a sin to practice homosexuality.

[ermsomething]

Well most cases of homosexuality happen because it is inherited...Iv spoken to a few gay guys and they all have like uncles or other blood related relatives who are gay/lesbian..

Half of them walk/talk funny and have weird funny actions. You can spot them from a mile off, i dont think they changed to that, most of them are born gay.

[kaz_k786]

that adnan guy is a f-ing retard! hope he gets gang raped by a bunch of skinheads!

[bedouindreamer]

Is it just me or were all the gays and lesbians in this interview seem to be from Pakistan. This can mean either of two things.

a) The Pakistani gay community are more open than other Muslims or,

b) They have a higher occurence of homosexuality........ :dunno:

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Why'd you make this thread?

Homosexuality is usually kept behind a curtain when it comes to desi culture - so now that it's being highlighted on a main television channel there is nothing wrong with discussing it.


So why not?

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Well most cases of homosexuality happen because it is inherited...Iv spoken to a few gay guys and they all have like uncles or other blood related relatives who are gay/lesbian..

Half of them walk/talk funny and have weird funny actions. You can spot them from a mile off, i dont think they changed to that, most of them are born gay.

Im not sure if it's inherited, but the gays who i have spoken to tend to say they knew from a very early age hence the term 'born gay' & it was not by choice.

Or it might just depend on one's preference :dunno:

[Z4K5T4R]

Homosexuality is usually kept behind a curtain when it comes to desi culture - so now that it's being highlighted on a main television channel there is nothing wrong with discussing it.


So why not?
Like you said culture - so why the ''Muslim'' part to it?

Yes, Islam does not accept Homosxuality - but what religion does? Its looked upon badly because God did not create Adam and Steve. There was a specific reason to creating Man and Women - both of two different genital so they can go and reproduce. Man and Man cannot do this so (I am sure you are clearly aware of this).

I have a Pakistani Transexual friend - who attended a Sikh wedding and was looked down upon due to this it meant the wedding he was initially invited by a friend - destroyed their friendship due to the ''embarassment'' he caused apparently because he is a Trans. Now i can bring in religion into this but it isn't religion it is general human instinct to insult the out of the norm.

Not only that I am sure Sikhism isn't just about Peace and Peace. All religion promotes peace but I am sure Guru Nanak didn't want Men to get together with other Men am sure there is a scripture somewhere in Sikhism that prohibits Homosxuality - you just haven't either found it or maybe you are right SIkhism is just about Peace so let people do what they wish to.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Zaks come on now, that is the name of the documentary itself - which C4 have provided.

If you actually watch the show it mentions the word 'Islam' several times & those included are muslim hence the related title.

It's almost as if you are making out i have some ulterior motive :lol: As for Sikhi, well homosexuality is not mentioned in the guru granth sahib :dunno: so whether it promotes it or not i dont know about that, but it can be seen as a vice of lust which a person should be able to control.

[Z4K5T4R]

Zaks come on now, that is the name of the documentary itself - which C4 have provided.

If you actually watch the show it mentions the word 'Islam' several times hence the related title.

It's almost as if you are making out i have some ulterior motive :lol: As for Sikhi, well homosexuality is not mentioned in the guru granth sahib :dunno: so whether it promotes it or not i dont know about that, but it can be seen as a vice of lust which a person should be able to control.
Even if it is C4 it doesnt always make it right. Its a general Desi culture to make things 10 times worse than it is. Anyways the title itself is misleading and is a mis-representative of Islam just to promote more hatred than there already is. If it was about Desi culture then it should be different to what it is.

Im suprised Homos isn't mentioned in Sikhism.

[(sic)]

don't get religion and culture mixed up you dumb cunts.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Even if it is C4 it doesnt always make it right. Its a general Desi culture to make things 10 times worse than it is. Anyways the title itself is misleading and is a mis-representative of Islam just to promote more hatred than there already is. If it was about Desi culture then it should be different to what it is.

Im suprised Homos isn't mentioned in Sikhism.

Well i think it's a way of saying that gay people do exist within the muslim community as im sure they do in any other community whether that be sikh, hindu etc..

If some people cant accept this because of their homophobic attitudes then that is not my fault man :dunno: these are just a handful of individuals who are expressing their views based on sexuality, if anything folk will end up blaming them because they seem to be giving Islam a bad rep for 'coming out' hence where religion plays a part.

Some does not equal all.

[manu_ginobli20]

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[ermsomething]

Im not sure if it's inherited, but the gays who i have spoken to tend to say they knew from a very early age hence the term 'born gay' & it was not by choice.

Or it might just depend on one's preference :dunno:
yeh they all say they found out they were gay at an early age..but the same can be said about hetrosexual, u dont know what your doing when your young, till you start looking at girls..

[not-now]

no such thing as being gay and muslim you can only be one or the other.

[nikefc7]

Haven't seen it yet but WHY ALWAYS PUT ISLAM ON THE SPOT?

Christianity and Judaism also calls for EXECUTING SODOMITES! So why only portray ISLAM as being strict towards them fags?

I'm amazed at these double-standards in the "WEST" and least shocked at it's frequency ....

it gets the rating and c4 love that.

[ancient_warrior]

Most religions forbid homosexulaity not just Islam. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.

According to Hinduism, anal sex is considered evil and unnatural. It symbolizes lust or sexual greed. But no one is allowed to harm another or punish for that reason. Only God Can Judge You. It's between U and God. Karm is important more than anything.

I am gonna be honest though. If anyone of us told our parents we are gaay or something like that. We would get our assses beaten regardless of we are Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christian, etc.

Desis don't like homo stuff and that's the bottom line. Truth is hard to see :shock:

[ancient_warrior]

no such thing as being gay and muslim you can only be one or the other.

Aren't U broadminded? :rolleyes:

[Kasheer]

The act of homosexuality is a sin in Islam, however being that way or having homo thoughts is not!

But then again, adulterys wrong in islam, as is rape, stealing, etc.
People like to generalise it to what they see fit, ooh adulterys not as bad as homosexuality, get the fuk out of here!

A sins a sin, none is greater then another and who the fuk are we to judge if it is or not, seek repentance and he shall forgive, is it any wonder that we're scaring these young muslims off tellin em bullshit like their going to hell or that being gay is the worst thing in islam!

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

The act of homosexuality is a sin in Islam, however being that way or having homo thoughts is not!

But then again, adulterys wrong in islam, as is rape, stealing, etc.
People like to generalise it to what they see fit, ooh adulterys not as bad as homosexuality, get the fuk out of here!

A sins a sin, none is greater then another and who the fuk are we to judge if it is or not, seek repentance and he shall forgive, is it any wonder that we're scaring these young muslims off tellin em bullshit like their going to hell or that being gay is the worst thing in islam!

Hmmmm.

[di vinci]

Zaks come on now, that is the name of the documentary itself - which C4 have provided.

If you actually watch the show it mentions the word 'Islam' several times & those included are muslim hence the related title.

It's almost as if you are making out i have some ulterior motive :lol: As for Sikhi, well homosexuality is not mentioned in the guru granth sahib :dunno: so whether it promotes it or not i dont know about that, but it can be seen as a vice of lust which a person should be able to control.
thats wat islam say as long as ur a non practicing gay its fine in the islamic fabrics. but if ur practicing one then u lost ur imaan. if you have these urges u need to keep them under control.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

thats wat islam say as long as ur a non practicing gay its fine in the islamic fabrics. but if ur practicing one then u lost ur imaan. if you have these urges u need to keep them under control.
Oh okay, cheers.

Non practicing gay, not showing public affection etc..?

[-Ziad-]

Zaks come on now, that is the name of the documentary itself - which C4 have provided.

If you actually watch the show it mentions the word 'Islam' several times & those included are muslim hence the related title.

It's almost as if you are making out i have some ulterior motive :lol: As for Sikhi, well homosexuality is not mentioned in the guru granth sahib :dunno: so whether it promotes it or not i dont know about that, but it can be seen as a vice of lust which a person should be able to control.Ah ok.

Makes sense.

Was just wondering why the thread was named that.

[di vinci]

Oh okay, cheers.

Non practicing gay, not showing public affection etc..?
not having gay sex :squint: gay sex is against the social family fabrics of islam. islam is a family religion not a having accepting gay sex religion. what do sikh think og homesexual sex ur priest point of view. im just interested

[di vinci]

according to wikpedia

Official Views in Modern Sikhism
Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joginder_Singh_Vedanti&action=edit), the highest temporal Sikh authority, has condemned homosexuality while reminding visiting Sikh-Canadian Members of Parliament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_Parliament) (MPs) of their religious duty to oppose same-sex marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Sikhism#_note-0) In a report published in March 2005, Vedanti said, "The basic duty of Sikh MPs in Canada should be to support laws that stop this kind of practice [homosexuality], because there are thousands of Sikhs living in Canada, to ensure that Sikhs do not fall prey to this practice." Speaking of MPs in favour of such relationships he continued, "The Sikh religion would never accept such MPs. Nobody would support such a person having such dirty thoughts in their mind because it is against the Sikh religion and the Sikh code of conduct and totally against the laws of nature. Sikhs around the world must maintain fidelity to these religious teachings," he argued, "and no politician is exempt".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Sikhism#_note-Cohn)

The supreme Sikh religious body, the Akal Takht (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akal_Takht), has issued an edict condemning gay marriage, and Vedanti's words were echoed by Manjit Singh Kalkatta, another highly respected Sikh preacher who sits on the governing body of the Golden Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Temple), the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee. "The advice given by the highest Sikh temporal authority to every Sikh is saying that it is unnatural and ungodly, and the Sikh religion cannot support it."[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Sikhism#_note-Cohn)

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[[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexuality_and_Sikhism&action=edit&section=2)] Homosexuality in Scripture

The Sikh holy book, the Guru Granth Sahib (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Granth_Sahib), is the highest authority in the Sikhism, it is seen as the 11th and eternal Guru. It serves as a guide to Sikhs on how to live positive lives, and details what behavior is expected of all Sikhs. It is seemingly silent on the subject of homosexuality; however, married life is encouraged time and time again in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Whenever marriage is mentioned, it is always in reference to a man and a woman. Some Sikhs believe that Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the complete guide to life, and if a marriage between two of the same sexes is not mentioned, it is therefore not right. The counterargument to this is that man and woman are only mentioned in this way to give light to the relationship of the soul and the soul force as being one. This denies gender and sex as an issue. Thus, Sikhism is more concerned with ones attainment of enlightenment rather than habitual desires such as sexuality. True love is attained through the Guru and no man speaks on behalf of the Guru as the Granth is open to interpretation and misrepresentation.

There are five vices (habitual desires) outlined in the Guru Granth Sahib that one should try to control. One of these vices is lust, and some Sikhs believe that homosexual thoughts and behaviour are just manifestations of lust. However, Sikhs that are more accepting of homosexuality claim that this is equally applicable to heterosexuals. These same Sikhs believe that Guru Nanak's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Nanak) emphasis on universal equality and brotherhood is fundamentally in support of the human rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights) of homosexuals.

Views on homosexuality tend not to be a primary concern in Sikh teachings, as the universal goal of a Sikh is to have no hate or animosity to any person, regardless of race, caste, color, creed, gender, or sexuality.

[Jai Shri Ram]

if the world was homosexual, i can't imagine marrying a guy (i'm a guy) just so i could make my parents happy. that is so disgusting! that's how gays who are forced to marry the opposite sex feel like.

[vishaalsood]

i got nothing against homosexuals as long as they dont try to make me gay or preach to me

intersting question is though, why do muslims believe in stoning people to death??

its intersting how being gay results in a stoning, yet murder can be forgiven by allah? did i listen to that part correct or am i mis quoting?

[(sic)]

i got nothing against homosexuals as long as they dont try to make me gay or preach to me

intersting question is though, why do muslims believe in stoning people to death??

its intersting how being gay results in a stoning, yet murder can be forgiven by allah? did i listen to that part correct or am i mis quoting?
stoning and capital punishment has nothing to do with Islam.

many people get Islam mixed up with the bullshit culture of countries where Islam is the major religion. culture and the backwards cunts that run countries or facist organisations is what is behind honour killings, the war, suicide bombings etc.

Has nothing to do with Islam and it pisses me off to see the media to misinform people intentionally. wankers.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

i got nothing against homosexuals as long as they dont try to make me gay or preach to me

intersting question is though, why do muslims believe in stoning people to death??
its intersting how being gay results in a stoning, yet murder can be forgiven by allah? did i listen to that part correct or am i mis quoting?
You cant put all your eggs in one basket - a lot of people out there do not agree with stoning as a punishment.

[SSSash]

You cant put all your eggs in one basket - a lot of people out there do not agree with stoning as a punishment.

Stoners are no good for anything.

[jumpn jza]

i got nothing against homosexuals as long as they dont try to make me gay or preach to me

intersting question is though, why do muslims believe in stoning people to death??

its intersting how being gay results in a stoning, yet murder can be forgiven by allah? did i listen to that part correct or am i mis quoting?

big fucking deal...you're the one who believes that people who take drugs deserve to die.

[PRCIV]

This is one of the subjects on which I agree with the Muslims...

[PinkPowerRanger]

I only tolerate gay ppl if they are funny. gay guys are hilarious and i need a lil humour in my life.

[SarcasmicBengali]

*bookmarked*

[jumpn jza]

This is one of the subjects on which I agree with the Muslims...

Chances are that the Mughals brought those homophobic attitudes in with them...it's funny how you internalized their prejudice and then claim to be a hindu nationalist...

[killeramit]

Dude the truth is that some ppl are born gay as even when they are 10 yr old they go only girly stuff and are attracted to guys and i dont think they do that got attention at all and there are also tons on ppl out there who do that for attention . So there are both kinds of ppl out there.

[PRCIV]

Chances are that the Mughals brought those homophobic attitudes in with them...it's funny how you internalized their prejudice and then claim to be a hindu nationalist...

I don't know what the hell you're banging on about, I just think homos r sick and I'm pretty sure most of them r pedos too. Y do they have such a high rate of STD infection btw ? I heard there's some new strain of staph infection running around San Fran because of them, sick animals.

[jumpn jza]

Dude the truth is that some ppl are born gay as even when they are 10 yr old they go only girly stuff and are attracted to guys and i dont think they do that got attention at all and there are also tons on ppl out there who do that for attention . So there are both kinds of ppl out there.

exactly...you can tell by the way they walk, talk, sit down etc.

[jumpn jza]

I don't know what the hell you're banging on about, I just think homos r sick and I'm pretty sure most of them r pedos too. Y do they have such a high rate of STD infection ?

STD's affect mostly people who engage in sexual behaviour with multiple partners regardless of their sexual preference...basically people who fuck around a lot. You'll find that gay couples that remain faithful have the same low rates of infection as their hetero counterparts.

[sarblohsinghz]

The guru granth sahib does not mention homosexuality in detail compared to a married life between a man & a woman, which is highlighted.

Homosexual attitudes & thoughts are seen as a manifestation of lust, something which a individual should be able to control.


I dont usually agree with this girl, but im 100% with her on this.
If you dont practise your daily Sadana (daily prayer, seva etc). Then the bad vices will eff you up.

I have included this clip by Yogi Harbhajan, the famous yoga master that resulted in many whites converting to sikhs in new mexico.

GK4307fPaPY

[Z4K5T4R]

Your a fucking hypocrite and I hope you die. I pray to my god, satan that you will die in a car crash tomorrow.

First of all, in your above speech you castigate homosexuals and thier way of life because you say its "not natural."

and then you complain about be a persecuted oppressed group, and how everyone always "hates" muslims.

but then you go on hating other minority groups as well.

just die all ready.

for the good of mankind.
Shut up + stop being so full of hatred it isn't healthy.

[SarcasmicBengali]

The act of homosexuality is a sin in Islam, however being that way or having homo thoughts is not!

But then again, adulterys wrong in islam, as is rape, stealing, etc.
People like to generalise it to what they see fit, ooh adulterys not as bad as homosexuality, get the fuk out of here!

A sins a sin, none is greater then another and who the fuk are we to judge if it is or not, seek repentance and he shall forgive, is it any wonder that we're scaring these young muslims off tellin em bullshit like their going to hell or that being gay is the worst thing in islam!

it's the whole concept of 'Fast Food Religion' ... people pick and choose what they want to follow.
just take a look at RD... if you want to use a group of people as an example.

there's people here who talk about certain forbidden acts in any religion such as intoxicating beverages/substances, premarital physical relationships... since the restriction of those are most common known and general knowledge.
for example: " you drink.... and you're Muslim...?! for shame! "

but those same people condemning or judging others arent adhering to the Pillars of Islam, or the Commandments, (so on) in their own daily life...
how is it that having sex before marriage is more of a sin than someone lying/stealing or doing anything else that's morally wrong?

if you don't drink/have sex... but then don't pray or live your life by your Religion either... does that balance it out?
on the flip side, if you drink/fuck and do pray and go through all the motions/rituals of your Religion, do those actions negate each other?


the hypocricy is just amazing sometimes... :no:

[Space-Cowboy]

Allaah does not create anyone just to punish or torture them. He created mankind to worship Him, but He may try His slaves with hardship as a test of their faith, to expiate for their sins and to raise their status. Allaah is too Just to force a person to commit sin and then punish him. On the contrary, people commit sins by their own free choice – like these perverted people – and it is for this that they deserve to be punished.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):



And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):



"Their" claim that their orientation is natural serves only to propagate and spread immorality, and it is just an excuse for them.their deed as wrongdoing and immoral...!!


You're seriously the stupidest fucking person I've ever seen post on this forum. I saw that thread you made for me in U&J.

My suggestion for you is to learn some fucking English before you ever post again you fucking douche.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Dude the truth is that some ppl are born gay as even when they are 10 yr old they go only girly stuff and are attracted to guys and i dont think they do that got attention at all and there are also tons on ppl out there who do that for attention . So there are both kinds of ppl out there.
Werd.

This drama was not created for attention but merely to point out that homosexuals do exist in the muslim community - a subject which is often hidden behind the veil.

Why people are getting on the wrong of this, i do not understand - if it was about straight people then no one would turn a blind eye.

[aznpdaddy]

i will fight for everybodys gay rights, and for all of you who will lose family over it its tuff cos you parents could be gay from time ago and was forced to has sex, and live the happy life as a cover!