Rape

[foreverconfused]

I've seen many of you say when a girl is raped while she is drunk, she is at partial fault for the rape.

I am not sure what you mean by this, so I'll create a poll for you to explain you reasoning.

[PRCIV]

I would never say she's at fault but she's responsible for putting herself in that position.

[CrazyXZac]

if you put yourself in the situation... it's at equal fault.

[madam_jade]

If drunken sex counts as rape then half the people on here are guilty of it.

The logic behind calling it rape is that a girl isn't in her right mind when she's drunk and a "yes" by her in that state is invalid.

And I suppose the reason people say she's partially at fault is because she chose to get drunk in an uncertain situation to begin with.

[CrazyXZac]

the sad thing is... girls can call rape anytime.

[CinnamonGirl]

Switch the question to what if a guy gets ass-raped while he's drunk, and if he should be at fault.

Then let's see the responses. :kekeke:

[foreverconfused]

Switch the question to what if a guy gets ass-raped while he's drunk, and if he should be at fault.

Then let's see the responses. :kekeke:

:rofl:

[CrazyXZac]

Switch the question to what if a guy gets ass-raped while he's drunk, and if he should be at fault.

Then let's see the responses. :kekeke:

lol! :rofl:

[chunky]

IMO, the girl is equally at fault. Rape is the only case in which being drunk gets you off the hook.

A person goes out, gets drunk. That person then hops into the drivers seat and subsequently kills someone while driving drunk. Is the drunk driver relieved of all responsibility because he/she was drunk? HELL NO. The drunk driver has to stand and face the consequences of the decisions he/she made while intoxicated.

I personally feel the same should go for rape. There's no reason for a girl to be relieved of the consequences of her actions because she was drunk. Granted, there will be times when this policy might lead to a guy getting away with a crime, on the whole it will probably force girls to be more responsible in their drinking activities.

At any rate, it will strip the power to ruin an innocent guy's life from the clutches of jealous and simply idiotic women. There is more abuse of this type of law than there is proper usage. The law empowers women to bring trivial charges of rape. The charges are usually dropped when a full investigation is conducted, but the guy's life is ruined forever.

[CinnamonGirl]

lol! :rofl:


Yeah, here's the scenario.

Desi guy is at a party and gets drunk out of his mind after exams are done. A bigger and stronger black guy comes and rapes the Desi guy.


I bet everyone will say that the Desi guy is at fault for associating with black people. :(

[PRCIV]

If drunken sex counts as rape then half the people on here are guilty of it.

The logic behind calling it rape is that a girl isn't in her right mind when she's drunk and a "yes" by her in that state is invalid.

And I suppose the reason people say she's partially at fault is because she chose to get drunk in an uncertain situation to begin with.

The worst kind of logic ever

[PinkPowerRanger]

IMO, the girl is equally at fault. Rape is the only case in which being drunk gets you off the hook.

A person goes out, gets drunk. That person then hops into the drivers seat and subsequently kills someone while driving drunk. Is the drunk driver relieved of all responsibility because he/she was drunk? HELL NO. The drunk driver has to stand and face the consequences of the decisions he/she made while intoxicated.

I personally feel the same should go for rape. There's no reason for a girl to be relieved of the consequences of her actions because she was drunk. Granted, there will be times when this policy might lead to a guy getting away with a crime, on the whole it will probably force girls to be more responsible in their drinking activities.

At any rate, it will strip the power to ruin an innocent guy's life from the clutches of jealous and simply idiotic women. There is more abuse of this type of law than there is proper usage. The law empowers women to bring trivial charges of rape. The charges are usually dropped when a full investigation is conducted, but the guy's life is ruined forever.

thats why i stick to pinacoldas and wine coolers :awesome:

[CrazyXZac]

IMO, the girl is equally at fault. Rape is the only case in which being drunk gets you off the hook.

A person goes out, gets drunk. That person then hops into the drivers seat and subsequently kills someone while driving drunk. Is the drunk driver relieved of all responsibility because he/she was drunk? HELL NO. The drunk driver has to stand and face the consequences of the decisions he/she made while intoxicated.

I personally feel the same should go for rape. There's no reason for a girl to be relieved of the consequences of her actions because she was drunk. Granted, there will be times when this policy might lead to a guy getting away with a crime, on the whole it will probably force girls to be more responsible in their drinking activities.

At any rate, it will strip the power to ruin an innocent guy's life from the clutches of jealous and simply idiotic women. There is more abuse of this type of law than there is proper usage. The law empowers women to bring trivial charges of rape. The charges are usually dropped when a full investigation is conducted, but the guy's life is ruined forever.

well said.

chunky to the rescue!

[PRCIV]

Yeah, here's the scenario.

Desi guy is at a party and gets drunk out of his mind after exams are done. A bigger and stronger black guy comes and rapes the Desi guy.


I bet everyone will say that the Desi guy is at fault for associating with black people. :(

:rofl:

[chunky]

thats why i stick to pinacoldas and wine coolers :awesome:

yeah, that way you have more $$$ to get unsuspecting guys hammered so you can lure them into your penis-fly-trap. :arrow:

[chunky]

Yeah, here's the scenario.

Desi guy is at a party and gets drunk out of his mind after exams are done. A bigger and stronger black guy comes and rapes the Desi guy.


I bet everyone will say that the Desi guy is at fault for associating with black people. :(

you seem to have some kind of homosexual anal-sex fetish. :arrow:

[PinkPowerRanger]

yeah, that way you have more $$$ to get unsuspecting guys hammered so you can lure them into your penis-fly-trap. :arrow:
no, they just taste better :dunno: the drinks. :squint:

[LAKERFAN8]

No girl is to blame for her own rape ever. If you think otherwise you should be hit in the head by my foot.

[foreverconfused]

IMO, the girl is equally at fault. Rape is the only case in which being drunk gets you off the hook.

A person goes out, gets drunk. That person then hops into the drivers seat and subsequently kills someone while driving drunk. Is the drunk driver relieved of all responsibility because he/she was drunk? HELL NO. The drunk driver has to stand and face the consequences of the decisions he/she made while intoxicated.

I personally feel the same should go for rape. There's no reason for a girl to be relieved of the consequences of her actions because she was drunk. Granted, there will be times when this policy might lead to a guy getting away with a crime, on the whole it will probably force girls to be more responsible in their drinking activities.

At any rate, it will strip the power to ruin an innocent guy's life from the clutches of jealous and simply idiotic women. There is more abuse of this type of law than there is proper usage. The law empowers women to bring trivial charges of rape. The charges are usually dropped when a full investigation is conducted, but the guy's life is ruined forever.

What if the girl says no and she is too weak and inebriated to fight the guy off? Would you still say she is at partial fault for her own rape?

[chunky]

No girl is to blame for her own rape ever. If you think otherwise you should be hit in the head by my foot.

she is to blame for her poor decision making. always. :arrow:

[bingley13]

If a girl is physically forced or unconscious I would think that would be considered rape.

[chunky]

What if the girl says no and she is too weak and inebriated to fight the guy off? Would you still say she is at partial fault for her own rape?

No always means no. I'm referring more to the cases where the girl says yes while drunk, but then changes her mind when she sobers up. :arrow:

[Cunard]

this is a desi site...most of the answers will be backward

[CinnamonGirl]

you seem to have some kind of homosexual anal-sex fetish. :arrow:



Yeah lately..I've been fascinated with how many Desi guys are closet homosexuals.

[Gimmeck]

So like if a guy gets drunk and I run his ass over while hes walking on the side walk, is it the drunk guys fault?

[foreverconfused]

So like if a guy gets drunk and I run his ass over while hes walking on the side walk, is it the drunk guys fault?

werd

[CrazyXZac]

Yeah lately..I've been fascinated with how many Desi guys are closet homosexuals.

lol! :rofl:

[PinkPowerRanger]

So like if a guy gets drunk and I run his ass over while hes walking on the side walk, is it the drunk guys fault?
who asked his drunk ass to get on the side walk?

[foreverconfused]

Who voted for the last option?

[Gimmeck]

Stop fkng justifying rape, if the motherfucker doesn't have control over himself, then we should take his cock away from him.

[chunky]

I always lol @ the femi-nazis that are all EQUAL RIGHTS but then at the same time they're all like WE WANT SPECIAL PROTECTIONS!

ya'll lame. :arrow:

[Pandora]

Why is this a hard question to answer >.>

[Gimmeck]

Its mans world, we do what we please and will forever neglect the womb we are born of.
shame on us.

[chunky]

Yeah lately..I've been fascinated with how many Desi guys are closet homosexuals.

Considering that desi girls are typically flat chested, have moustaches & sideburns, can you really blame them for being confused? :arrow:

[SillyKitty]

I always lol @ the femi-nazis that are all EQUAL RIGHTS but then at the same time they're all like WE WANT SPECIAL PROTECTIONS!

ya'll lame. :arrow:
I gotta say.. your right, even though i am a female..

but these whiney, "we want equal rights" "but we want special treatments" bitches should be bitch slapped, and should'nt be allowed outside without decent clothes which covers their boobs and asses.

I mean they WANT attention and they expect the guys to sit with their hands to themselves like hijras, when the bitches walk around practically naked.


we can see now that islam has a reason to make it a rule for women

[PRCIV]

Stop fkng justifying rape, if the motherfucker doesn't have control over himself, then we should take his cock away from him.

Nobody's justifying rape, we're trying to see who's responsible, and like it or not, in some cases the girl is responsible for putting herself in that position.

[CinnamonGirl]

Considering that desi girls are typically flat chested, have moustaches & sideburns, can you really blame them for being confused? :arrow:

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Desi guys liking other guys. It would be better if they were more open about it, instead of trying to hide it.

[chunky]

I gotta say.. your right, even though i am a female..

but these whiney, "we want equal rights" "but we want special treatments" bitches should be bitch slapped, and should'nt be allowed outside without decent clothes which covers their boobs and asses.

I mean they WANT attention and they expect the guys to sit with their hands to themselves like hijras, when the bitches walk around practically naked.




we can see now that islam has a reason to make it a rule for women

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA :roflbow:

[chunky]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Desi guys liking other guys. It would be better if they were more open about it, instead of trying to hide it.
I think desi guys are pretty open about it. When I visit the motherland, I see tons of guys walking around holding hands. :arrow:

[Pandora]

Considering that desi girls are typically flat chested, have moustaches & sideburns, can you really blame them for being confused? :arrow:

That's what desi guys look like >.>

I scurred.

[CinnamonGirl]

I gotta say.. your right, even though i am a female..

but these whiney, "we want equal rights" "but we want special treatments" bitches should be bitch slapped, and should'nt be allowed outside without decent clothes which covers their boobs and asses.

I mean they WANT attention and they expect the guys to sit with their hands to themselves like hijras, when the bitches walk around practically naked.

Your dumbass is going to bring clothing into this now?

For the last time, most rape victims were decently clothed at the time of the incident. I hope you know women in Islamic clothing have been raped too.

[CinnamonGirl]

I think desi guys are pretty open about it. When I visit the motherland, I see tons of guys walking around holding hands. :arrow:


What about here? The ones here should straight out say it when confronted, instead of giving indirect hints and then denying it saying "no I'm straight."

Like SixpakGQ or whatever.

[Cunard]

I gotta say.. your right, even though i am a female..

but these whiney, "we want equal rights" "but we want special treatments" bitches should be bitch slapped, and should'nt be allowed outside without decent clothes which covers their boobs and asses.

I mean they WANT attention and they expect the guys to sit with their hands to themselves like hijras, when the bitches walk around practically naked.


we can see now that islam has a reason to make it a rule for women

:rofl:

Saudi Arabia would be perfect for you :lol:

[SillyKitty]

Your dumbass is going to bring clothing into this now?

For the last time, most rape victims were decently clothed at the time of the incident. I hope you know women in Islamic clothing have been raped too.
Shut the fuck up.

your wrong when u said the decently clothed fems are raped more..

are u fuckin seriuos? rape happens when the girls go out of control, and they go out drink, get drunk, while wearing those itsy bitsy clothes..
its a KNOWN FACT.. go read the news papers fuckterd

[PRCIV]

People should post studies backing up their so-called KNOWN FACTs

[SillyKitty]

:rofl:

Saudi Arabia would be perfect for you :lol:
i am against bitches being half naked.. thats all. :D

[punjabipride04]

Ok say there's two women

1) Is drunk dressed in trashy hoe wear, not aware of where or what she is doing

2) Sober woman dressed classy.

Which one would be the easier target?



Ok what about one night stands?
When a girl is drunk (I'm talking about girls who drink to the point they have trouble remembering things the next day) they also come out with 101 reasons why guys shouldn't have approached them or 'tried' it with them. When at the time they were probably wanting it aswell.

[CinnamonGirl]

are u fuckin seriuos? rape happens when the girls go out of control, and they go out drink, get drunk, while wearing those itsy bitsy clothes..
its a KNOWN FACT.. go read the news papers fuckterd


Quote of the year

[SillyKitty]

People should post studies backing up their so-called KNOWN FACTs
i am not gonna go out and read up on the facts again.. just to prove it to you folks that i am right

if u dont like my answer.. dont take it.. :cool:

[Cunard]

Shut the fuck up.

your wrong when u said the decently clothed fems are raped more..

are u fuckin seriuos? rape happens when the girls go out of control, and they go out drink, get drunk, while wearing those itsy bitsy clothes..
its a KNOWN FACT.. go read the news papers fuckterd


:rofl:

[Gimmeck]

Nobody's justifying rape, we're trying to see who's responsible, and like it or not, in some cases the girl is responsible for putting herself in that position.
That is such an absurd position.

Someones makes you angry, you don't shoot them down just because you have a gun.

[PRCIV]

i am not gonna go out and read up on the facts again.. just to prove it to you folks that i am right

if u dont like my answer.. dont take it.. :cool:

Ok just tell me this, say a girl is walking down the street in a short skirt, if some guy pulls her into a back alley and rapes her, does she deserve it ? Is she partially responsible for her own rape ?

[punjabipride04]

Rape is just wrong/disheartening whatever the situation.

[Cunard]

i am against bitches being half naked.. thats all. :D

its a personal choice what you want to wear.....the west isn't some "Islamic" led shit hole country where baseball caps, ties, western hair cuts, and tight clothing are banned...

[selina_786]

If you put yourself in a vulnerable position, you are asking for trouble. This isn't the case with just rape, this is with everything. Chances are higher for you to be taken advantage of.

[SillyKitty]

:rofl:


now let me ask you..

why a guy is tempted to rape a girl?


the answer is right there in my post.. all those things tempts the guys to rape

[punjabipride04]

If you put yourself in a vulnerable position, you are asking for trouble. This isn't the case with just rape, this is with everything. Chances are higher for you to be taken advantage of.
Amen.

[Cunard]

That is such an absurd position.

Someones makes you angry, you don't shoot them down just because you have a gun.


but its partially their fault for making you angry :rolleyes:


such logic has no place in our society...honestly this question about rape should be on the questionare that immigrants fill out before they enter

[chunky]

So that my points aren't mistaken, let me add some clarification to my viewpoint.

Everyone should be responsible for their own actions. If a girl is drunk, and she says no, no means no. However, if she's drunk, and she says yes, she can't change her mind later on claiming she was drunk and didn't know what she was doing. If she's old enough to drink, then she's old enough to accept the consequences of her own actions. I can here the stamepede of feminazis rushing to mention that often it's the underaged girls that get drunk and the make poor decisions. I'm all for protecting youth. However, do you think punishing the guy, who was probably also underaged and drunk, is going to solve anything? Nope. They're both victims in that case, except one ends up in jail with a scarlet letter to bear, and the other can just get on with her life.

As for girls dressing provocatively etc, that's all good and well. That's certainly NOT an invitation for rape. Hell, a girl should be able to run around naked w/o worrying about a guy raping her. Guys also have a responsibility to know right from wrong.

In the end, bad things will frequently happen to good people. An innocent girl will have her drink laced an innocent guy will be falsely accused. Those things will happen regardless. I just think it's pointless to have laws that skew things in favor of one party over the other. It eliminates the need for people, and the judicial system, to look beyond the "automatic assumptions" brought on by such laws. :arrow:

[di vinci]

u shouldnt put yourself into a situation where you know someone will take advantage of that situation. girls know ur limits

[Cunard]

now let me ask you..

why a guy is tempted to rape a girl?


the answer is right there in my post.. all those things tempts the guys to rape

im tempted to kill people time to time...especially when they're driving slow and on the left side of the road...but that doesn't mean i go fucking kill them :idea:

[PRCIV]

That is such an absurd position.

Someones makes you angry, you don't shoot them down just because you have a gun.

What I have an issue with is a girl getting drunk, going home and having sex with a guy, then waking up the next morning and claiming it as "rape".

In this situation, it's the girls word against the guys.

[chunky]

What about here? The ones here should straight out say it when confronted, instead of giving indirect hints and then denying it saying "no I'm straight."

Like SixpakGQ or whatever.

LOL. sixpakgq was pretty open about his homoerotic activities. :arrow:

[Gimmeck]

You know whats interesting, people here are only considering and arguing what kinda role did the girl played in any rape case, but what about the guy? What gives him the right to go assault her?.. I don't care if she was butt naked bent over, Shouldn't he have any self control?

[SillyKitty]

If you put yourself in a vulnerable position, you are asking for trouble. This isn't the case with just rape, this is with everything. Chances are higher for you to be taken advantage of.
exactly, these people are lookin for an excuse to justify hoeish behaviour :lol:
they think its got nothing to do with rape. when its the major reason for that.

[Cunard]

So that my points aren't mistaken, let me add some clarification to my viewpoint.

Everyone should be responsible for their own actions. If a girl is drunk, and she says no, no means no. However, if she's drunk, and she says yes, she can't change her mind later on claiming she was drunk and didn't know what she was doing. If she's old enough to drink, then she's old enough to accept the consequences of her own actions. I can here the stamepede of feminazis rushing to mention that often it's the underaged girls that get drunk and the make poor decisions. I'm all for protecting youth. However, do you think punishing the guy, who was probably also underaged and drunk, is going to solve anything? Nope. They're both victims in that case, except one ends up in jail with a scarlet letter to bear, and the other can just get on with her life.

As for girls dressing provocatively etc, that's all good and well. That's certainly NOT an invitation for rape. Hell, a girl should be able to run around naked w/o worrying about a guy raping her. Guys also have a responsibility to know right from wrong.

In the end, bad things will frequently happen to good people. An innocent girl will have her drink laced an innocent guy will be falsely accused. Those things will happen regardless. I just think it's pointless to have laws that skew things in favor of one party over the other. It eliminates the need for people, and the judicial system, to look beyond the "automatic assumptions" brought on by such laws. :arrow:

well said....im glad you clarified your position

[LAKERFAN8]

she is to blame for her poor decision making. always. :arrow:

yea thats kay. <3

[SillyKitty]

You know whats interesting, people here are only considering and arguing what kinda role did the girl played in any rape case, but what about the guy? What gives him the right to go assault her?.. I don't care if she was butt naked bent over, Shouldn't he have any self control?
You know Jr.. there aint enough good guys in this world.

if u place a piece of cake in front of a Hungry kid..
there aint no way that kid is not gonna try and snatch it from you.. even if u say no u cant have it..

[chunky]

I think every woman should carry a rape whistle.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/672/rapewhistlemi1.jpg

[LAKERFAN8]

I think every woman should carry a rape whistle.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/672/rapewhistlemi1.jpg
omg is that girl driving?

she deserves rape

[punjabipride04]

My university gave all the chicks free panic alarms :thumrigh:

[Ketamine-Abuse]

I think every woman should carry a rape whistle.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/672/rapewhistlemi1.jpg


Apart from her...she needs a cowbell.

[PRCIV]

I think every woman should carry a rape whistle.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/672/rapewhistlemi1.jpg


Yea, I doubt she'll be using that ever

[punjabipride04]

^ (Am I allowed to lol?) :ashamed:

*steps out*

[Gimmeck]

LOL people seem to be paying no attention to definition of rape.

[madam_jade]

The worst kind of logic ever
It's not my logic, it's just the logic used by people defending the girl. I think the scenario of "sober man + drunk girl" is legally called rape in some places.

[madam_jade]

now let me ask you..

why a guy is tempted to rape a girl?


the answer is right there in my post.. all those things tempts the guys to rape


Actually, most rapists [serial rapists anyway] are more likely to go after a girl wearing loose clothing, hair in ponytail, etc. It's easier to grab ahold of her and to remove her clothing with less of a struggle.

[Irreligious Left]

IMO, the girl is equally at fault. Rape is the only case in which being drunk gets you off the hook.

A person goes out, gets drunk. That person then hops into the drivers seat and subsequently kills someone while driving drunk. Is the drunk driver relieved of all responsibility because he/she was drunk? HELL NO. The drunk driver has to stand and face the consequences of the decisions he/she made while intoxicated.

I personally feel the same should go for rape. There's no reason for a girl to be relieved of the consequences of her actions because she was drunk. Granted, there will be times when this policy might lead to a guy getting away with a crime, on the whole it will probably force girls to be more responsible in their drinking activities.



????

Being drunk in and of itself is not a wrong that is subject to civil or criminal penalties. I do not get the analogy to drunk driving.

[chunky]

????

Being drunk in and of itself is not a wrong that is subject to civil or criminal penalties. I do not get the analogy to drunk driving.

my point is essentially that in all other scenarios, except rape, being drunk doesn't work as an excuse for poor decision making.

[Irreligious Left]

my point is essentially that in all other scenarios, except rape, being drunk doesn't work as an excuse for poor decision making.

The decision here is simply to get drunk. That's it. Not to drive or operate heavy machinery afterwards. Adults in all jurisdictions have that right. It's not a crime to get drunk. (public intoxication, excepted)

So what additional responsibility accrues to an adult woman who chooses to get drunk?

[madam_jade]

The decision here is simply to get drunk. That's it. Not to drive or operate heavy machinery afterwards. Adults in all jurisdictions have that right. It's not a crime to get drunk. (public intoxication, excepted)

So what additional responsibility accrues to an adult woman who chooses to get drunk?


I think he means getting drunk, engaging in sex and calling it "rape" the next morning because the girl regrets it.

[The Anti Desi]

What happens if she is drunk, but a guy yells "surprise"?

[chunky]

The decision here is simply to get drunk. That's it. Not to drive or operate heavy machinery afterwards. Adults in all jurisdictions have that right. It's not a crime to get drunk. (public intoxication, excepted)

So what additional responsibility accrues to an adult woman who chooses to get drunk?

The decision to get drunk does not absolve her from responsibility for her own actions. There is no additional responsibility; it seems according to existing law responsibility for her own actions is waived. I'm speaking in reference to the scenario where the girl says "yes" prior to the act, but then later recants. She can claim that she was taken advantage of during her drunken state, even if she was not coerced into consuming alcoholic beverages by the alleged rapist.

So it's not a matter of additional responsibility at all, it's a matter of fulfilling incumbent responsibility at all times, even when drunk. Just as an adult that drinks has a responsibility to know better than to drive drunk. Current law waives a woman's responsiblity, allowing her to literally change her mind because she felt regrets associated with her actions. In these cases, the guy will typically avoid conviction with a good lawyer, but he's still fucked for life b/c the girl was able to press such charges in the first place.

[PRCIV]

I think he means getting drunk, engaging in sex and calling it "rape" the next morning because the girl regrets it.

Exactly

[Angel_Face_K]

If a person is intoxicated and not of sound mind then they are completely NOT to blame for any desperate motherfucker raping them.
No matter if they were acting easy slutty and all the words under the sun that would indicate they wanted sex. It does not give a person the right to rape another person that did not consent fully (with their senses in tact) to any type of sexual or non sexual activity.
Any indication of a drunk person is not a easy yes.


If however the person is not drunk but giving off signals that they want to engage in sexy time and later regret it then it's just a regret not rape.


Basically any use of force passive or aggressive to fuck someone is rape.

[Irreligious Left]

The decision to get drunk does not absolve her from responsibility for her own actions. There is no additional responsibility; it seems according to existing law responsibility for her own actions is waived. I'm speaking in reference to the scenario where the girl says "yes" prior to the act, but then later recants. She can claim that she was taken advantage of during her drunken state, even if she was not coerced into consuming alcoholic beverages by the alleged rapist.

So it's not a matter of additional responsibility at all, it's a matter of fulfilling incumbent responsibility at all times, even when drunk. Just as an adult that drinks has a responsibility to know better than to drive drunk. Current law waives a woman's responsiblity, allowing her to literally change her mind because she felt regrets associated with her actions. In these cases, the guy will typically avoid conviction with a good lawyer, but he's still fucked for life b/c the girl was able to press such charges in the first place.

Rape is by definition, non-consensual sexual intercourse. A woman's state of intoxication can destroy or impair her ability to consent to sex. Whether she 'regretted' the act afterwards is not the issue since she wasn't even able to consent in the first place.

[Angel_Face_K]

Also I should point out I used the words drunk and rape not drunk and willing.
Rape is forced. But if he or she is drunk but thinks fuck I shouldn't have done that the next morning and knows that they consented then they just panicing and asinine

But to be honest only the not drunk person would know if it were rape right... Coz the other person may not be able to recall the night before.

I dunno there's so many variables when it comes to drinking

[Angel_Face_K]

Rape is by definition, non-consensual sexual intercourse. A woman's state of intoxication can destroy or impair her ability to consent to sex. Whether she 'regretted' the act afterwards is not the issue since she wasn't even able to consent in the first place.
Thank you. You said what I was rambling on about much better

[chunky]

Rape is by definition, non-consensual sexual intercourse. A woman's state of intoxication can destroy or impair her ability to consent to sex. Whether she 'regretted' the act afterwards is not the issue since she wasn't even able to consent in the first place.
The argument is that if alcohol can destroy a woman's ability to consent to an act, and thus frees her of responsibility for such an act, why is a drunk driver, whose decision making processes are affected, fully liable for the consequences of his actions?

[Angel_Face_K]

The entire poll is actually bullshit... The question is 'Is a drunk girl to blame for being RAPED
Rape is a forced action. So the question negates itself.

[vikownethu]

You could put it akin to:

Intoxicated woman = Prey
Rapist = Lion

The lion is responsible for attacking its prey, but the prey, knowing that there is a likelihood of this happening, should be more vigilant (not have been pissed out of her head and then left on her own).

Not the prey's fault that the lion has a thirst for blood, but they coulda helped themselves by avoiding putting themselves on a plate.

[Irreligious Left]

The argument is that if alcohol can destroy a woman's ability to consent to an act, and thus frees her of responsibility for such an act, why is a drunk driver, whose decision making processes are affected, fully liable for the consequences of his actions?

Refer to post #83. Being or getting drunk, in and of themselves, are not crimes.

The distinction between the two situations is not subtle. When you get drunk and then drive, you are operating a 3,000 pound machine on public roads that you share with other drivers and pedestrians. Do you see as matter of public policy why that would be discouraged? What danger is a drunk woman at a party to others?

[Angel_Face_K]

The argument is that if alcohol can destroy a woman's ability to consent to an act, and thus frees her of responsibility for such an act, why is a drunk driver, whose decision making processes are affected, fully liable for the consequences of his actions?
That's a silly comparison man.

A girl getting drunk doesn't think "Oh I know I shouldn't get drunk because I don't want to get raped"
Driver "Oh I know I shouldn't drink because I don't want to kill someone"
Big difference.

[di vinci]

The argument is that if alcohol can destroy a woman's ability to consent to an act, and thus frees her of responsibility for such an act, why is a drunk driver, whose decision making processes are affected, fully liable for the consequences of his actions?

true, both know what could happen

[foreverconfused]

I should have made this a public poll. I want to know which 4 idiots actually voted for the last option.

By rape, I was referring to forced sex (the conventional definition of rape). Not so much to ambiguous situations where the woman gave "consent" when drunk, although I understand why that can be considered rape too.

[chunky]

Refer to post #83. Being or getting drunk, in and of themselves, are not crimes.

The distinction between the two situations is not subtle. When you get drunk and then drive, you are operating a 3,000 pound machine on public roads that you share with other drivers and pedestrians. Do you see as matter of public policy why that would be discouraged? What danger is a drunk woman at a party to others?

I'm not arguing that being drunk should be criminalized. I'm not arguing that anyone should be punished simply for being drunk. I'm arguing that people should be more responsible for themselves. A drunk person poses no real threat to society until they get behind the wheel of a car. The consequences of such actions are deplorable, and the drunk driver should have to stand up and face them in court. Similarly, a drunk woman poses no real threat to anyone, until she consents, while drunk, to having sex. Then her she's putting herself at risk, as well as the guy who she just had sex with.

I see no reason why the law should automatically pander to a woman's regret in such scenarios. She should be responsible for her own decisions, whether behind the wheel or in the bedroom.

[chunky]

I should have made this a public poll. I want to know which 4 idiots actually voted for the last option.

By rape, I was referring to forced sex (the conventional definition of rape). Not so much to ambiguous situations where the woman gave "consent" when drunk, although I understand why that can be considered rape too.
The legal classification of rape includes that which you're trying to exclude. It's perfectly reasonable for people to respond to that type of scenario. :arrow:

[foreverconfused]

The legal classification of rape includes that which you're trying to exclude. It's perfectly reasonable for people to respond to that type of scenario. :arrow:

Yes, well, I still don't agree with your stance on that form of rape.

But whatever, I've had too many arguments about this in the past to care. The main reason why I created this thread was to find out how many people here had opinions similar to those of Sillykitty. And a lot of people must agree with her on some level, because only 25% of them have said the rapist deserves 100% of the blame.

[Irreligious Left]

Similarly, a drunk woman poses no real threat to anyone, until she consents, while drunk, to having sex. Then her she's putting herself at risk, as well as the guy who she just had sex with.

I see no reason why the law should automatically pander to a woman's regret in such scenarios. She should be responsible for her own decisions, whether behind the wheel or in the bedroom.

I still don't get it. The risk of getting raped is not a danger for which any legal liablity attaches. Women do a lot things that can put themselves within the risk of getting raped--walking down empty alley at night, forgetting to lock the door behind them, opening the door to a stranger who forces his way in. In those cases, should her inattention or "poor choices" put blame on her, too?

[jassika]

yes if she drinks irresponsibly then that would ALSO be partial fault for gettin raped because what if shes most likely still walkin away wit him etc and thats her fault for being stupid enough to fuck up her own head.

[chunky]

I still don't get it. The risk of getting raped is not a danger for which any legal liablity attaches. Women do a lot things that can put themselves within the risk of getting raped--walking down empty alley at night, forgetting to lock the door behind them, opening the door to a stranger who forces his way in. In those cases, should her inattention or "poor choices" put blame on her, too?
In those cases you mentioned, she typically will not consent to sex and then later change her mind. The risk of getting rape is attached to personal liability for the woman, but legal liability for the man. He asks her "are you sure you want to have sex with me?" She says "yes." They have sex, but then he's still legally at risk of being charged with rape? I'm sure the law varies by state, but I know of two guys who have ruined lives b/c that scenario. They were never convicted, but they were expelled from college, lost all scholarships, and were rejected by their families and communities. All because pressing rape charges is laughably easy for a woman with a hint of regret.

[di vinci]

yes if she drinks irresponsibly then that would ALSO be partial fault for gettin raped because what if shes most likely still walkin away wit him etc and thats her fault for being stupid enough to fuck up her own head.
:werd:

[seren1ty]

you mean surprise sex?

[Riddemz]

it depends on the situation
if a girl is alone and some random guy comes and rapes her while she is drunk, then she isn't at fault if she clearly stated that she didn't want to

if a guy and a girl have been dancing together all night and fooling around and they go home together
if the girl is drunk and doesn't clearly state that she does not want sex and the guy does initiate it, then one shouldn't even call it rape

[CrazyXZac]

option #2 ftw.

[seren1ty]

it depends on the situation
if a girl is alone and some random guy comes and rapes her while she is drunk, then she isn't at fault if she clearly stated that she didn't want to

if a guy and a girl have been dancing together all night and fooling around and they go home together
if the girl is drunk and doesn't clearly state that she does not want sex and the guy does initiate it, then one shouldn't even call it rape


and it sux that in the 2nd scenario, it is still considered rape i think

[Riddemz]

and it sux that in the 2nd scenario, it is still considered rape i think
yeah
that is the only time that a female cannot blame the male
in the other case however, there shouldn't be any blame on the female

[Riddemz]

option #2 ftw.
so if you were walking home from a club lets say, and some big guy jumped you and raped you while you were drunk, it would be your fault for getting raped?

[CrazyXZac]

so if you were walking home from a club lets say, and some big guy jumped you and raped you while you were drunk, it would be your fault for getting raped?

the way i see it, if i'm going to get drunk and lose control of myself, then i am am some sort of fault... coz' i put myself in the weak position etc.

i dunno if that makes sense? :sarb:

[selina_786]

so if you were walking home from a club lets say, and some big guy jumped you and raped you while you were drunk, it would be your fault for getting raped?
not for rape. but for being a dumbass, ofcourse I'm bearing in mind that this person is intoxicated and can't really use their brain much.

[Riddemz]

i wouldn't say that the person is at fault in this case, although i do agree that they were not being very careful and should have been

it can be compared to crossing a street when the cars have a red light and you have a walking sign

if you cross the street while blasting music into your ears and just look infront of you, then you might get hit by a car that didn't stop at the red

because the driver, like a rapist did something wrong in this case, and even though the victim wasn't at fault, they could and should have been more careful

[Irreligious Left]

Hmmm. I wonder if some of the blame-shifting on RD is rooted in religious attitudes toward alcohol consumption in general.

[CrazyXZac]

:sarb:

[Ketamine-Abuse]

Can some please link me to the jokes?

[Clueless_uk]

Can people just not drink and not rape?

How fucking hard is it to do that?

[Irreligious Left]

Can some please link me to the jokes?

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showpost.php?p=9670303&postcount=120

[tsx09]

If a guy and girl are both drunk, both say yes, and both **** each other, can the guy claim rape? After all, he was drunk! I wonder how the law would treat this case.

I suggest to every guy interested in sex, carry around a breathalyzer and portable drug testing kit. That way you can have sex and peace of mind.

[foreverconfused]

Hmmm. I wonder if some of the blame-shifting on RD is rooted in religious attitudes toward alcohol consumption in general.

Yeah, I think religious attitudes towards both alcohol consumption and dressing provocatively have a lot to do with this.

But a lot of white people believe the same thing as the people here. I remember back in high school, some white people I knew did blame rape victims.
I guess maybe it might only be the whites with lower education levels or something.

I wonder if there's a difference of opinion between highly educated desis and highly educated whites.

[selina_786]

Yeah, I think religious attitudes towards both alcohol consumption and dressing provocatively have a lot to do with this.

But a lot of white people believe the same thing as the people here. I guess maybe it might only be the people with lower education levels or something.

I wonder if there's a difference of opinion between highly educated desis and highly educated whites.
lol shit.

Actually I'm abit curious too now. If you do sort of find any difference. Please post about it in this thread. It'd be interesting to read.

[foreverconfused]

lol shit.

Actually I'm abit curious too now. If you do sort of find any difference. Please post about it in this thread. It'd be interesting to read.

yeah, it would be interesting. I doubt I'll find anything though.

[selina_786]

yeah, it would be interesting. I doubt I'll find anything though.
Actually, I'm gonna go and post the same on a different forum. Let's see what sort of opinions we get there.

[chunky]

Hmmm. I wonder if some of the blame-shifting on RD is rooted in religious attitudes toward alcohol consumption in general.

The biggest catalyst for blame shifting is the perception of women as the weaker sex in need of greater protection under the law.

It's amusing to me that in US the laws are heavily in favor of the woman in most rape cases, but around the globe, the opposite is true.

[Space-Cowboy]

To take this thread in a completely different direction:

If I leave my car unlocked in the middle of the night, and it gets stolen....


1) Is the crime itself my 'fault'? Am I the one who participated in the crime?
2) Is it my 'fault' for putting my car in a situation where it would be stolen where I would reasonably fore-see this happening?

[chocolat]

Shut the fuck up.

your wrong when u said the decently clothed fems are raped more..

are u fuckin seriuos? rape happens when the girls go out of control, and they go out drink, get drunk, while wearing those itsy bitsy clothes..
its a KNOWN FACT.. go read the news papers fuckterd

you're a fucking idiot. not like we don't already know, but you're dead set on proving it time and time again.

rapists prey on women they perceive to be weak. it doesn't have anything to do with how covered up women are. rape is about power and taking that power away from women. rape happens to all kinds of women - old, young, thin, fat, sober, drunk, whatever. it doesn't just happen to "out of control, drunk, slutty" girls, and when it does happen to "out of control, drunk, slutty" girls it's still not their fault.

[chocolat]

exactly, these people are lookin for an excuse to justify hoeish behaviour :lol:
they think its got nothing to do with rape. when its the major reason for that.

wrong again. rape is more about power than it is about sex.

[~sweetthing~]

you're a fucking idiot. not like we don't already know, but you're dead set on proving it time and time again.

rapists prey on women they perceive to be weak. it doesn't have anything to do with how covered up women are. rape is about power and taking that power away from women. rape happens to all kinds of women - old, young, thin, fat, sober, drunk, whatever. it doesn't just happen to "out of control, drunk, slutty" girls, and when it does happen to "out of control, drunk, slutty" girls it's still not their fault.
:werd:

If all the people in this thread giving backward answers, like "the girl is to blame for getting raped" etc, they would NOT THINK the same way IF THEY were raped.

Rape is more of a violent crime than a sexual one. Stop blaming the goddamn victim.

A drunk/passed-out person (MALE OR FEMALE) is not in their senses to give consent to anything.

Even if a drunk person doesn't say "no", don't rape them, god damn it.

[~sweetthing~]

I swear, most guys here that want partial blame on the victim are predatory idiots themselves.

[jibran251]

I've seen many of you say when a girl is raped while she is drunk, she is at partial fault for the rape.

I am not sure what you mean by this, so I'll create a poll for you to explain you reasoning.


I can't answer the question since I don't know what it feels like to be drunk.
But for drinking I guess it is her fault ... :sarb: Being raped usually isn't the fault of the victim, so I blame the rapist ... edit: And drinking usually is sorta required at parties and stuff since you look dumb if you don't. So Nah, I wouldn't blame her at all ... :dunno:

[Space-Cowboy]

:werd:

If all the people in this thread giving backward answers, like "the girl is to blame for getting raped" etc, they would NOT THINK the same way IF THEY were raped.

Rape is more of a violent crime than a sexual one. Stop blaming the goddamn victim.

A drunk/passed-out person (MALE OR FEMALE) is not in their senses to give consent to anything.

Even if a drunk person doesn't say "no", don't rape them, god damn it.

You'll have to forgive sillykitty... she was dropped on her head a few times when she was a child... Also, she's the product of seven generations of inbreeding...

[random guy]

some girls get horny when they r drunk... red bull does the trick too

[~sweetthing~]

You'll have to forgive sillykitty... she was dropped on her head a few times when she was a child... Also, she's the product of seven generations of inbreeding...
Oh ok :shock: oops

See, real men have control and a sense of humanity. They KNOW a drunk person is in no state to give consent for anything.

You seem to be a good person :D

[Riddemz]

Oh ok :shock: oops

See, real men have control and a sense of humanity. They KNOW a drunk person is in no state to give consent for anything.

You seem to be a good person :D
according to what you are saying, you believe that if a girl gives consent to sex while she is drunk, the male can be accused of misbehaving and rape?

[~sweetthing~]

according to what you are saying, you believe that if a girl gives consent to sex while she is drunk, the male can be accused of misbehaving and rape?
a drunk person is not in their senses, period.

male or female. if a male was coerced to do something while he was drunk, that would be wrong too. i am not a super-feminist. it work both ways.

[Riddemz]

a drunk person is not in their senses, period.

male or female. if a male was coerced to do something while he was drunk, that would be wrong too. i am not a super-feminist. it work both ways.
just because a person is drunk, it doesn't mean that it will make them say something that they completely do not want
drunk people talk a lot of shit, but that shit is said because it lies in them and they would want to say it anyways was it not for being in social environments

of course, if a person who is sober, takes advantage of a person who is wasted and doesn't even realize that they are saying yes to sex, it is a different matter

but getting that wasted is just as bad as driving with your eyes closed

[~sweetthing~]

just because a person is drunk, it doesn't mean that it will make them say something that they completely do not want
drunk people talk a lot of shit, but that shit is said because it lies in them and they would want to say it anyways was it not for being in social environments

of course, if a person who is sober, takes advantage of a person who is wasted and doesn't even realize that they are saying yes to sex, it is a different matter

but getting that wasted is just as bad as driving with your eyes closed
honestly, there is justification for raping someone. a lot of people dont even know the severity of this crime and violence involved in it. if the person agrees to sex BEFORE drinking than fine, it's not wrong.

i never said getting wasted is good, it is bad, and yes driving while drunk is horrible.

but a sober person taking advantage over a drunk person is also very wrong.

[doll-face]

It really depends.. on where she is, whose party she's at etc. Obv if she's dressed like a coomplete slut, and at a strangers party and is drunk - then she's putting herself int he situation, and she must've expected, or atleast THOUGHT of the possiblity of it happening... so she could have prevented it, maybe? but still not at fault for getting raped i guess...

but if she's at a friends party, and is dressed ok and is drunk, and she gets raped - then no way is she at fault, or even responsible for being able to prevent it... why should she be at fault when its humanity that's fucked up!

[PRCIV]

honestly, there is justification for raping someone. a lot of people dont even know the severity of this crime and violence involved in it. if the person agrees to sex BEFORE drinking than fine, it's not wrong.

i never said getting wasted is good, it is bad, and yes driving while drunk is horrible.

but a sober person taking advantage over a drunk person is also very wrong.

RAPE IS GOOOOOOOOD :Pelvic2:

[~sweetthing~]

It really depends.. on where she is, whose party she's at etc. Obv if she's dressed like a coomplete slut, and at a strangers party and is drunk - then she's putting herself int he situation, and she must've expected, or atleast THOUGHT of the possiblity of it happening... so she could have prevented it, maybe? but still not at fault for getting raped i guess...

but if she's at a friends party, and is dressed ok and is drunk, and she gets raped - then no way is she at fault, or even responsible for being able to prevent it... why should she be at fault when its humanity that's fucked up!
a woman's dress has nothing to do with rape. rape is about power and dominating another being.

rapist's prey on unsuspecting victims, rapists aren't sexually enticed, they want to feel superior to their victims.

[~sweetthing~]

RAPE IS GOOOOOOOOD :Pelvic2:
NO IT'S NOT :(

[BadFingerBoogie]

^^my my such a sweet thang.

[PRCIV]

NO IT'S NOT :(

In some cases it is..... ;)

[~sweetthing~]

In some cases it is..... ;)
if i hand-cuffed you to the bed and wanted to do you right? :neutral:

[~sweetthing~]

^^my my such a sweet thang.
kya matlaab? :love:

[PRCIV]

if i hand-cuffed you to the bed and wanted to do you right? :neutral:

Now you're talking :Pelvic2:

[BadFingerBoogie]

matlaab baas: you are pretty.

:lulz:.

[~sweetthing~]

Now you're talking :Pelvic2:
badmaash :neutral:
im telling your mummy and papa and getting u in trouble :cool:

[~sweetthing~]

matlaab baas: you are pretty.

:lulz:.
sachi? :love:

[BadFingerBoogie]

sachi? :love:

:Oops:.

phaki bhaath (sp?)

[~sweetthing~]

:Oops:.

phaki bhaath (sp?)
hehehehe

*blushes like a shy dulhan in cheesy bollywood movies*

:Oops:

[PRCIV]

badmaash :neutral:
im telling your mummy and papa and getting u in trouble :cool:

Lol isn't it past your bedtime jailbait ?

[~sweetthing~]

Lol isn't it past your bedtime jailbait ?
No, but Chris Hansen is knocking on your door. He heard you were telling jailbaits that "Rape is good"

ANNNDDD that you wanted a jailbait to handcuff you and do you :shock:


:neutral:

[~sweetthing~]

not any jailbait. my favorite one.
Yes siirrrr :lulz:

[BadFingerBoogie]

you're gonna call me and all that once you get older, right?

:hsughw:.

[PRCIV]

No, but Chris Hansen is knocking on your door. He heard you were telling jailbaits that "Rape is good"

ANNNDDD that you wanted a jailbait to handcuff you and do you :shock:


:neutral:


Damn, you've got enough to put me in jail for life. I'm done here, adios.

[~sweetthing~]

you're gonna call me and all that once you get older, right?

:hsughw:.
:wavey: yes, but only you :Oops:
:love:

[BadFingerBoogie]

good, bc i can wait for you.

;).

[~sweetthing~]

Damn, you've got enough to put me in jail for life. I'm done here, adios.
tussi jarey ho? :(


ok bye :wavey:

[~sweetthing~]

good, bc i can wait for you.

;).
:love:

what if you find another girl? :(

[BadFingerBoogie]

haha i think i have to worry about you finding another guy, even more. :p.

[~sweetthing~]

haha i think i have to worry about you finding another guy, even more. :p.
hmmmmm i dunno, the quality if guys isn't that great :neutral:

[BadFingerBoogie]

okay, then i'm not worried, so you shouldn't worry, okay?

[~sweetthing~]

okay, then i'm not worried, so you shouldn't worry, okay?
theek hain :love:
i will be waiting :love:

ayegaaaa. . ayegaaa. . ayegaaaaaa

ayegaaa aane walaa. . ayegaaaa. . .ayegaaaaaaa

:Oops:

[BadFingerBoogie]

i might go crazy waiting... :p.

[~sweetthing~]

i might go crazy waiting... :p.
mujhe. . .

crazy kiya re :love:

[Nilü]

I would never say she's at fault but she's responsible for putting herself in that position.

Agree with PRCIV

[RYNstarO23]

all HIM

[ilikecheese]

ooh man i remember making a rape thread long time ago. me and dezi were the only two people saying that the girl was at fault and wow... all of RD was jumping down our throats ... ahh good times

[chunky]

a woman's dress has nothing to do with rape. rape is about power and dominating another being.

rapist's prey on unsuspecting victims, rapists aren't sexually enticed, they want to feel superior to their victims.

I see you've read quite a few pamphlets on the topic.

[Irreligious Left]

It's heartening to see that percentage of people who say either the women is not at fault or the rapist is all at fault has risen to 45%, I guess.

[Space-Cowboy]

The real victims here are Jack Daniels and Jim Beam.

[(sic)]

The real victims here are Jack Daniels and Jim Beam.
they're my best friends. it used to be you. but you lied to me.

[Space-Cowboy]

they're my best friends. it used to be you. but you lied to me.


I never lied! :shock:

[Street_Scholar]

I've seen many of you say when a girl is raped while she is drunk, she is at partial fault for the rape.

I am not sure what you mean by this, so I'll create a poll for you to explain you reasoning.


How can anyone be at fault for getting rapped, drunk or not. If someone raped a blind woman, would you blame the woman for being blind and getting raped? No one has a right to rape or hurt anyone regardless of the state a person is in. Simsimarly, if a woman who has passed out was raped would it be the fault of the rapist of the fault of the woman. As long as the woman has not given consent and is rape then the rapist is always to blame.

[musicchic33]

How can anyone be at fault for getting rapped, drunk or not. If someone raped a blind woman, would you blame the woman for being blind and getting raped? No one has a right to rape or hurt anyone regardless of the state a person is in. Simsimarly, if a woman who has passed out was raped would it be the fault of the rapist of the fault of the woman. As long as the woman has not given consent and is rape then the rapist is always to blame.
srsly, what a retarded thread

[jumpn jza]

Justifying power lies with those who use it, not on those who are victims of it. I have to admit that it get's pretty complicated when she's drunk because some argue that having sex with a drunk girl is rape because she's intoxicated...Fault lies with the rapist. the end.

[jumpn jza]

this is a desi site...most of the answers will be backward

I disagree. Question 3 and 4 are pretty much the same so if you add the two then the majority of pollsters aren't backward.

[Street_Scholar]

Jumpn, Jza, could you explain to us all here, when there is an exception to that one percent?

[jumpn jza]

Jumpn, Jza, could you explain to us all here, when there is an exception to that one percent?

Maybe a technicality where the definition of rape needs to be questioned and all kinds of legal shit pops out of places...btw i edited that, read again.

I've always maintained that it's the rapist's fault.

[LAKERFAN8]

Kobe was not guilty btw.

:hs:

[onion]

so many good points overlooked.

omg is that girl driving?

she deserves rape
:rofl: :rofl:


To take this thread in a completely different direction:

If I leave my car unlocked in the middle of the night, and it gets stolen....


1) Is the crime itself my 'fault'? Am I the one who participated in the crime?
2) Is it my 'fault' for putting my car in a situation where it would be stolen where I would reasonably fore-see this happening?
:buttsex:

[HeAvYmAcHiNeGuN]

it depends on the situation. it comes off as too vague. we don't know any of the details.

sure, she could be and sure, she couldn't be

or are you looking for

she shouldn't be.

I agree to this

[foreverconfused]

How can anyone be at fault for getting rapped, drunk or not. If someone raped a blind woman, would you blame the woman for being blind and getting raped? No one has a right to rape or hurt anyone regardless of the state a person is in. Simsimarly, if a woman who has passed out was raped would it be the fault of the rapist of the fault of the woman. As long as the woman has not given consent and is rape then the rapist is always to blame.

MANY posters here blame the rape victim. About 50% according to this poll.

[foreverconfused]

I disagree. Question 3 and 4 are pretty much the same so if you add the two then the majority of pollsters aren't backward.

The reason I made two options was that some RDers say the rapist deserves 100% of the blame for the rape, and that the victim is partially at fault for putting herself at risk. They say she brought it on herself.

[foreverconfused]

I disagree. Question 3 and 4 are pretty much the same so if you add the two then the majority of pollsters aren't backward.

But about 50% of them are, according to this poll. lol.

[Hands]

wtf, dont make me turn this rape into a murder y0

[_true_definition]

for someone to say a girl is partially at fault for being drunk is basically saying its partially ok to rape! what if your sisters were drunk and got raped? would you blame her? or blame the rapist?

[Space-Cowboy]

But about 50% of them are, according to this poll. lol.


Yea, I noticed that too... disgraceful. :no:

[desi_shawrty]

for someone to say a girl is partially at fault for being drunk is basically saying its partially ok to rape! what if your sisters were drunk and got raped? would you blame her? or blame the rapist?
If both people were drunk then they're equally responsible.
You know by getting drunk you wont have control over your self, someone might want to bang you and you might not be able to say no, but the person decides to get drunk either way.

If one of them is sober and the other is drunk then the sober person should know better than to have sex with a drunk person and that person is held accountable.

A girl should also know that she is the one who put her self in that situation. The guy was completly at fault but the girl could've prevented that from happening by not getting wasted. Yes a girl should be able to go out and have fun and i guess get drunk if she wants but she should know accidents happend.

[_true_definition]

If both people were drunk then they're equally responsible.
You know by getting drunk you wont have control over your self, someone might want to bang you and you might not be able to say no, but the person decides to get drunk either way.

If one of them is sober and the other is drunk then the sober person should know better than to have sex with a drunk person and that person is held accountable.

A girl should also know that she is the one who put her self in that situation. The guy was completly at fault but the girl could've prevented that from happening by not getting wasted. Yes a girl should be able to go out and have fun and i guess get drunk if she wants but she should know accidents happend.There is a big difference between accidents happening and rape. an accident is when its a mutual desion to have sex but afterwards, there are regrets. i think one can be drunk and still have enough sense to be able to see that a girl doesnt wanna have sex and if the girl isn't saying no, then i wouldn't consider it rape. if you can get an erection, then you're not "too drunk" why wouldnt a girl not be able to say no? unless she is unconscious, in that case the guy in question needs to be shot in the head.

[desi_shawrty]

There is a big difference between accidents happening and rape. an accident is when its a mutual desion to have sex but afterwards, there are regrets. i think one can be drunk and still have enough sense to be able to see that a girl doesnt wanna have sex and if the girl isn't saying no, then i wouldn't consider it rape. if you can get an erection, then you're not "too drunk" why wouldnt a girl not be able to say no? unless she is unconscious, in that case the guy in question needs to be shot in the head.
Like driving, you might not be wasted but still a bit drunk and wont be able to drive right, because you brain doesn't function properly. So just like that you're not thinking right. So if both have had some to drink and they bang each other and regret it later then they're both at fault. By accident i mean that shit happens and she can try to protect her self.

Ofcourse it's never the girl's fault unless she was leading the guy on but didn't really want sex. If she's being a tease and then it gets too far and he's a little to drunk to stop then yeh... shit happens.

In any other case it's never the victim's fault. As in she/he should never have to do any time for being rapped but there is tons of things that the person who might become a victim can do to prevent rape from happening. You can't trust everyone to be doing the right thing, so don't be walking around all alone without any friends or anyone at all around at any time, don't walk into a party dressed in really revealing clothes and teasing everyone around you where you know a lot of people will end up having and wanting sex.

[_true_definition]

Like driving, you might not be wasted but still a bit drunk and wont be able to drive right, because you brain doesn't function properly. So just like that you're not thinking right. So if both have had some to drink and they bang each other and regret it later then they're both at fault. By accident i mean that shit happens and she can try to protect her self.

Ofcourse it's never the girl's fault unless she was leading the guy on but didn't really want sex. If she's being a tease and then it gets too far and he's a little to drunk to stop then yeh... shit happens.

In any other case it's never the victim's fault. As in she/he should never have to do any time for being rapped but there is tons of things that the person who might become a victim can do to prevent rape from happening. You can't trust everyone to be doing the right thing, so don't be walking around all alone without any friends or anyone at all around at any time, don't walk into a party dressed in really revealing clothes and teasing everyone around you where you know a lot of people will end up having and wanting sex.yea i mean going around teasing every guy you see is asking for trouble, but even that doesn't justify rape. what if a girl wants to be a tease, what if its in her personality to just be like that? it doesn't mean she wants sex, some girls just have fun by doing things like that. you're right, its always sensible and safer to have friends around you. its a shame these things happen in the first place...there are some sick and depraved people out there.

i don't know where you're from, but in england for some fucked up reason, rapists seem to get shorter sentences compared to burgalries or other petty crimes. if i ruled the world, rapists would be shot dead!

[Irreligious Left]

If both people were drunk then they're equally responsible.
You know by getting drunk you wont have control over your self, someone might want to bang you and you might not be able to say no, but the person decides to get drunk either way.

If one of them is sober and the other is drunk then the sober person should know better than to have sex with a drunk person and that person is held accountable.

A girl should also know that she is the one who put her self in that situation. The guy was completly at fault but the girl could've prevented that from happening by not getting wasted. Yes a girl should be able to go out and have fun and i guess get drunk if she wants but she should know accidents happend.

Females don't do themselves any favors by espousing positions such as this.

Oh, tripping on the sidewalk is an accident. Rape, not so much.

[Space-Cowboy]

WTF? I didn't read anything on this last page, but are there people actually comparing rape to tripping on the sidewalk?

[_true_definition]

WTF? I didn't read anything on this last page, but are there people actually comparing rape to tripping on the sidewalk?no, just the dumbass above you :D

[Irreligious Left]

no, just the dumbass above you :D

Wtf, asshole? Can't you read?

[Pompeii]

...

Which part of 'do not bump old threads' do you not get? Fagg0t.

[will rap 4 food]

if a girl knows shes getting piss drunk already and keeps pouring on the drinks,and some dude takes advantage of her..she partially resposible...but the dude should know better than to do shit like that...i say it would be 98% rapist fault and 2% girl fault

[DasJa]

A lot of rape's happen to women who've known the rapist. Nah mean?

these movie scenarios of rape happening when a girl is drunk and alone walking home and all that crap is a very minor percentage.


However, there's no justification for rape. NONE WHATSOEVER!!

In a line..."What if ur sister got drunk, and got raped?". Would you still use logic and wait for the law...or take matter into ur own hands and decide to give the perpetrator ur own brand of circumsicion?

It's all good to opine on a matter..but when it truly comes down to it. Rape is wrong! More than half of it is not reported in the desi community because of the stigma attached to it.



The whole desi justification of "Well, she was doing all these things, so he couldn't control himself" is bullocks! Used by uncles of the previous generation, as well as rich, powerful jackasses of our generation to morally justify their actions.

I think anyone who justifies it should be slowly boiled in baby oil.


Also, women have taken undue advantage of the whole cry rape situation. but you'll ALWAYS have someone taking advantage of a loophole.

I'm done rambling. :Paper:

[the big d]

i only read like 2 pages of this thread and i am really suprised by some of these replys. wtf. a girl is raped if she says no and the guy forces her. drunk or not, it doesn't matter. :slap:

for those who say she is drunk, she was asking for it. thats retarded. just cuz someone is drunk, doesn't give someone a free pass to do what they like to them. i'm embarrassed by some of these replys

and for those who say that women shouldn't dress like that and that there is "special protection" for women. thats ridiculous and frankly, i find that slightly insulting as a man. it makes it seem like we are animals who can't control whats in our pants. and i dont think this is special protection.

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

anyone that voted for anything where the girl is partially at blame is retarded

seriously there's provoking trouble and then living a bit on the edge. when we speed on the road we are living on the edge, we are well aware of the danger and possibility of an accident or worse a fatal accident, yet we all still speed don't we? also when it comes down to things no means no, end of the story.

a girl could be drunk, find a random or a familiar guy, make out with him somewhere and point is if she isn't up for it or isn't conscious to verbally give her consent and the guy still goes for it (or girl) then it's still considered to be rape.

Also i wonder if the ppl that voted for the girl being partially to blame have ever known anyone that was rape, molested, or had a close call with that. bc if they did i don't see how they would vote that way.

[_true_definition]

Wtf, asshole? Can't you read?
i was joking, don't get emotional

[PRCIV]

The gray area is when the girl gets drunk, goes home with a guy, bangs him and feeling guilty next morning accuses him of rape. That is NOT rape. But obviously if she says no under any circumstances and he forces himself on her then that is rape.

[paulie walnuts]

The gray area is when the girl gets drunk, goes home with a guy, bangs him and feeling guilty next morning accuses him of rape. That is NOT rape. um...how is that gray area?

[PRCIV]

um...how is that gray area?

Well, she acquiesced to having sex with him the night before, it's not upto the fellow to judge the validity of her acceptance init ?

[chunky]

anyone that voted for anything where the girl is partially at blame is retarded

seriously there's provoking trouble and then living a bit on the edge. when we speed on the road we are living on the edge, we are well aware of the danger and possibility of an accident or worse a fatal accident, yet we all still speed don't we? also when it comes down to things no means no, end of the story.

a girl could be drunk, find a random or a familiar guy, make out with him somewhere and point is if she isn't up for it or isn't conscious to verbally give her consent and the guy still goes for it (or girl) then it's still considered to be rape.

Also i wonder if the ppl that voted for the girl being partially to blame have ever known anyone that was rape, molested, or had a close call with that. bc if they did i don't see how they would vote that way.
Interesting that you bring up the example of speeding. If someone speeds and causes a fatal wreck, they're typically held responsible for the deaths. You are analogizing that if a girl drinks then gets raped, she's not at all responsible? It's a bad analogy you're making there. Even when people live on the edge they are, at last in part, responsible for what comes after.

In cases of rape, the law pretty heavily favors the woman. I guess this is why I avoid drunk girls altogether.

[foreverconfused]

Well, she acquiesced to having sex with him the night before, it's not upto the fellow to judge the validity of her acceptance init ?

If you know the person is drunk, why should you have sex with them in the first place?

I have to confess, that law did not make sense to me at first either. But drunk driving (the previous example) is different - the drunk driver was the only person who made the decision to drive, thus the responsibility lies solely with them. Sex takes two people, so the sober person should probably know better.

[Rcade]

if the bitch is drunk, dressed like a slut, in a bad neighborhood, than shes to blame....o/w no.

[Irreligious Left]

Well, she acquiesced to having sex with him the night before, it's not upto the fellow to judge the validity of her acceptance init ?

As you said yourself, she consented. That is unequivocally not rape. There is no grey area in your hypo.

[chunky]

If you know the person is drunk, why should you have sex with them in the first place?

I have to confess, that law did not make sense to me at first either. But drunk driving (the previous example) is different - the drunk driver was the only person who made the decision to drive, thus the responsibility lies solely with them. Sex takes two people, so the sober person should probably know better.
Simiarly, would a girl that is drunk not be responsible for going into a bedroom with a guy? If the drunk driver is responsible for putting himself in a position where something bad may happen, why not hold the girl similarly responsible for putting herself in a situation where something bad may happen?

Not that I'm opposed to rape laws favoring women to some degree, I just think it's ridiculous that a woman can consent and then change her mind the next morning and all of a sudden what was consensual becomes rape. Even if the guy gets cleared of all charges, his life is fucked.

[foreverconfused]

Simiarly, would a girl that is drunk not be responsible for going into a bedroom with a guy? If the drunk driver is responsible for putting himself in a position where something bad may happen, why not hold the girl similarly responsible for putting herself in a situation where something bad may happen?

Not that I'm opposed to rape laws favoring women to some degree, I just think it's ridiculous that a woman can consent and then change her mind the next morning and all of a sudden what was consensual becomes rape. Even if the guy gets cleared of all charges, his life is fucked.

I can see where you're coming from. Drunk or not, she's still conscious at the time of giving "consent".

But the sober person is the one who's mostly at fault. The sober person is aware that the drunk person is not thinking as clearly as they normally would. You have to be pretty irresponsible to sleep with someone who is drunk out of their mind, so I understand why that's illegal. I don't know much about the law, but there must have been a lot of sober people taking advantage of intoxicated people for the government to have enacted a law that strict.

[roy_desi]

i prefer rape when she's sober.

[ocdesi]

whoa! this is the same thread from a couple years back where everyone was flaming everyone and i said the girl was to blame to piss everyone off. ahhh that was fun.

my 2 cents: why put yourself in a position where you're so drunk that you could be raped when you could easily prevent it by drinking less? you can't dress like a slut, go out partying, drink til obliterated and be completely innocent if something goes wrong. just doesn't make sense to me... yes, laws are strict about this kind of thing but i've never been a fan of the major parental role the government tries to take on, especially when it can lead to false convictions based on some woman trying to take advantage of the law.

[chunky]

I can see where you're coming from. Drunk or not, she's still conscious at the time of giving "consent".

But the sober person is the one who's mostly at fault. The sober person is aware that the drunk person is not thinking as clearly as they normally would. You have to be pretty irresponsible to sleep with someone who is drunk out of their mind, so I understand why that's illegal. I don't know much about the law, but there must have been a lot of sober people taking advantage of intoxicated people for the government to have enacted a law that strict.
In rape cases, there is always a shadow of a doubt since the evidence frequently distills into his word against her word. the strict laws are partially meant as a deterrent, which is not unreasonable. Before it was difficult to even press charges. Now all it takes is a woman's word to ruin a guy's life. The presumption of innocence is shaky at best, and the sad fact is that there are some women out there who exploit this.

[musicchic33]

Hay Guys, I Solved Da Problemz

No Sex Evarrrrr.

Period.

Khatam Kahani.

[phishuff]

its only the fault of the person who is raping, anyone saying girl was asking for it, is straight up bullshit

[PRCIV]

Hay Guys, I Solved Da Problemz

No Sex Evarrrrr.

Period.

Khatam Kahani.

I'm gonna kidnap you one of these days

[phishuff]

but i kinda agree with "A portion of the blame is removed from the rapist, since the girl was drunk" also

[Irreligious Left]

In rape cases, there is always a shadow of a doubt since the evidence frequently distills into his word against her word. the strict laws are partially meant as a deterrent, which is not unreasonable. Before it was difficult to even press charges. Now all it takes is a woman's word to ruin a guy's life. The presumption of innocence is shaky at best, and the sad fact is that there are some women out there who exploit this.

I think you seriously underestimate the procedural safeguards that protect the accused in our society. In what way is the presumption of innocence shaky?

[chunky]

but i kinda agree with "A portion of the blame is removed from the rapist, since the girl was drunk" also

Heh. As a matter of semantics, I would never say any blame is removed from the rapist. The rapist is fully responsible for his actions. I also feel that the woman is fully responsible for herself. Granted, she didn't ask to be victimized, but there is typically a certain level of responsibility she should have for herself.

I do think it's particularly reprehensible when the rapist is a "friend" of the victim. Woman makes the reasonable assumption that she can trust this person to take care of her and gets burned. That's why it's always best to keep yourself in condition to take care of yourself. Still, people should have some honor and not harm the ones that place trust him them.

[chunky]

I think you seriously underestimate the procedural safeguards that protect the accused in our society. In what way is the presumption of innocence shaky?
Speaking of the example I may have cited before in this thread, a guy got charged with rape; based on the rape charge alone, he was expelled from school because the school wanted to make a statement. Charges were later dropped, but he was still not permitted to re-enroll. Where's the presumption of innocence? In courts yes, the presumption of innocence is safeguarded, but being cleared in court does not shake the stigma of being an accused rapist. It's pretty much on par with being a convicted rapist in terms of public perception.

[Irreligious Left]

Speaking of the example I may have cited before in this thread, a guy got charged with rape; based on the rape charge alone, he was expelled from school because the school wanted to make a statement. Charges were later dropped, but he was still not permitted to re-enroll. Where's the presumption of innocence? In courts yes, the presumption of innocence is safeguarded, but being cleared in court does not shake the stigma of being an accused rapist. It's pretty much on par with being a convicted rapist in terms of public perception.

I'm sure he could have administratively appealed the school's decision to not permit him to re-enroll. When schools make decisions like this, they can point to some chapter and verse violations of the school code. Do you know what the exact basis of the school's decision was? Perhaps he was in actual violation of some policy that merited the decision.

You can also look at the Duke rape scandal as anecdotal example of how the system actually worked in favor of those falsely accused. The accuser's rape allegations were totally bogus. The men were cleared and the prosecutor was disgraced and disbarred. The harm to the students was minimal and they are pursuing civil remedies.

[chunky]

I'm sure he could have administratively appealed the school's decision to not permit him to re-enroll. When schools make decisions like this, they can point to some chapter and verse violations of the school code. Do you know what the exact basis of the school's decision was? Perhaps he was in actual violation of some policy that merited the decision.

You can also look at the Duke rape scandal as anecdotal example of how the system actually worked in favor of those falsely accused. The accuser's rape allegations were totally bogus. The men were cleared and the prosecutor was disgraced and disbarred. The harm to the students was minimal and they are pursuing civil remedies.

If he made a big enough stink, maybe he could have gotten the decision reversed. However, it wasn't really advisable for him to return considering that he faced the distinct possibility of harassment, vandalism of his car, etc.

The Duke case is exceptional because the prosecutor was corrupt. Plus, the public is generally skeptical of a stripper that presses rape charges. I also recall that there was some rather strong exonerating evidence. So in the Duke case the guys were proved innocent, and thus charges were dropped versus the case where the charges are dropped because they cannot be satisfactorily proved. There is a big difference in public perception between the two cases. In one instance the public thinks "oh, he was innocent after all", in the other "this scumbag got away due to lack of evidence."

[Irreligious Left]

If he made a big enough stink, maybe he could have gotten the decision reversed. However, it wasn't really advisable for him to return considering that he faced the distinct possibility of harassment, vandalism of his car, etc.

The Duke case is exceptional because the prosecutor was corrupt. Plus, the public is generally skeptical of a stripper that presses rape charges. I also recall that there was some rather strong exonerating evidence. So in the Duke case the guys were proved innocent, and thus charges were dropped versus the case where the charges are dropped because they cannot be satisfactorily proved. There is a big difference in public perception between the two cases. In one instance the public thinks "oh, he was innocent after all", in the other "this scumbag got away due to lack of evidence."

This is not correct. There was no trial, and no judicial determination of guilt or innocence. The charges were dismissed because of lack of evidence and that they could not be proved.

[chunky]

This is not correct. There was no trial, and no judicial determination of guilt or innocence. The charges were dismissed because of lack of evidence and that they could not be proved.

According to the wiki entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Duke_University_lacrosse_team_scandal) there was "unimpeachable alibi evidence" as well as no DNA evidence from any of the Duke players although there was DNA from multiple males found on the rape kit the accuser used.

So there was strong proof that two of the accused were not even present and then no other corroborating evidence for the other accused party. Two of the players were proved innocent, so at best only one could not be proved guilty. I get that this wasn't proved in court, but I think it's clear that the duke players did not get off on technicalities of law.

[desi_uk]

I've seen many of you say when a girl is raped while she is drunk, she is at partial fault for the rape.

I am not sure what you mean by this, so I'll create a poll for you to explain you reasoning.
Its not her fault but she should be responsible if she gets drunk for example if shes pissed out of her head then she should get a taxi home instead of walking home etc

[ocdesi]

I think you seriously underestimate the procedural safeguards that protect the accused in our society. In what way is the presumption of innocence shaky?
procedural safeguards??? you have to be kidding. our court system is known for not having them or failing with those. we've actually been relaxing procedure more and more. i'm pretty sure any procedural safeguard would have to be done by the state through statute and of course every state varies. politicians like to be anti-rape so there's a lot of strict legislation out there. its all a political game and the court system is pretty much helpeless because all they can do is listen to the legislature's bidding. i'm pretty sure there is no federal law governing this nor should there be, so while there might be some safeguards in some states there are some with none at all.

[Irreligious Left]

procedural safeguards??? you have to be kidding. our court system is known for not having them or failing with those. we've actually been relaxing procedure more and more. i'm pretty sure any procedural safeguard would have to be done by the state through statute and of course every state varies. politicians like to be anti-rape so there's a lot of strict legislation out there. its all a political game and the court system is pretty much helpeless because all they can do is listen to the legislature's bidding. i'm pretty sure there is no federal law governing this nor should there be, so while there might be some safeguards in some states there are some with none at all.


There are constitutional due process protections which are the the minimum baseline states are required to provide. If there is variance, that is because individual states have decided to give protections that are greater than what the constitution requires, not less. Anything less would by definition be unconstitutional.

[ocdesi]

There are constitutional due process protections which are the the minimum baseline states are required to provide. If there is variance, that is because individual states have decided to give protections that are greater than what the constitution requires, not less. Anything less would by definition be unconstitutional.
the procedural safeguards for your constitutional rights are a joke. you have a right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures through the 4th and 14th amendment, yet the Court creates an infinite number of exceptions so that its in a cop's best interests to search or seize without probable cause. also, the court has to incorporate provisions from the bill of rights to apply to the states via the 14th amendment... so saying that the Constitution is a minimum baseline for the states isn't entirely accurate.

ok so I guess what i'm trying to say is that any procedural safeguard against rape isn't going to come from the constitution. the definition of due process is constantly changing and many due process rights only apply to the federal government. basically, my opinion is: don't have so much faith in the government or the court system.

[Intel-Inside]

Sharab is Umul Khabaes "Mother of all Evils". 100% blame to Drunken girl and another 100% to rapist.

[PinkPowerRanger]

Ahh. Rape. Some call it rape, i call it playin hard to get.

[Irreligious Left]

the procedural safeguards for your constitutional rights are a joke. you have a right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures through the 4th and 14th amendment, yet the Court creates an infinite number of exceptions so that its in a cop's best interests to search or seize without probable cause. also, the court has to incorporate provisions from the bill of rights to apply to the states via the 14th amendment... so saying that the Constitution is a minimum baseline for the states isn't entirely accurate.

ok so I guess what i'm trying to say is that any procedural safeguard against rape isn't going to come from the constitution. the definition of due process is constantly changing and many due process rights only apply to the federal government. basically, my opinion is: don't have so much faith in the government or the court system.

the courts interpret constitutional provisions. it's not a perfect system, but i believe it's one of the best out there;certainly better than most civil law system in terms of criminal procedure.

[Sikh4Lyfe]

Was it her dad that raped her or some stranger?

[Dream_GirL]

I've seen many of you say when a girl is raped while she is drunk, she is at partial fault for the rape.

I am not sure what you mean by this, so I'll create a poll for you to explain you reasoning.
Rape is rape.. never the victims fault..so don't even suggest it..

[sheena1623]

since this is a desi website im probably guessing a dad or 'uncle" is involved.
Why not a brother? benchod.

[chunky]

Why not a brother? benchod.
LMAO. your brother been giving you the moustache rides?

[chunky]

I see what you did there, kept it in the immediate famiry. :cool2:

[Space-Cowboy]

LMAO.

Man, I hope the fake identity of silly kitty is uncovered soon, because if someone this unintelligent really exists..it just makes me sadder for mankind.

In all fairness, silly kitty is, afterall the product of seven generations of inbred baboons, so we can't really expect too much out of her.

[jumpn jza]

In all fairness, silly kitty is, afterall the product of seven generations of inbred baboons, so we can't really expect too much out of her.

lil harsh don't ya think?

[foreverconfused]

Rape is rape.. never the victims fault..so don't even suggest it..


Do you think I am?

[ocdesi]

the courts interpret constitutional provisions. it's not a perfect system, but i believe it's one of the best out there;certainly better than most civil law system in terms of criminal procedure.
word. i just had to go off on a bit of a tangent there... i'm in law school now and its made me pretty damn cynical. i'm not a fan of how the Constitution gets interpreted by the Court nor do I think our criminal procedural safeguards keep anyone safe.

[Space-Cowboy]

lil harsh don't ya think?

Uh no.

[thaprecepta]

how fucking ignorant can you be to say anything other than its the rapists fault. no means no. and if there is no response that means no as well. if you fell alseep (not drunk) at school and the teacher cock slapped you across the face to wake you up is it your fault for having a dick imprinted on your face? this thread is garbage

[musicchic33]

Females don't do themselves any favors by espousing positions such as this.

Oh, tripping on the sidewalk is an accident. Rape, not so much.


lulz

some of the people who posted in this thread need to get out into the real world more often

:idea:

[BigCrazyIndian]

since when did rape become a serious issue?

[musicchic33]

how fucking ignorant can you be to say anything other than its the rapists fault. no means no. and if there is no response that means no as well. if you fell alseep (not drunk) at school and the teacher cock slapped you across the face to wake you up is it your fault for having a dick imprinted on your face? this thread is garbage

What. The. Fck.

WTF

Dude, srsly...that's the best analogy you could think of?

[Space-Cowboy]

What. The. Fck.

WTF

Dude, srsly...that's the best analogy you could think of?

:hug:

[sheena1623]

LMAO. your brother been giving you the moustache rides?
ewewewewewew ewwww GROSS.
i was referring to his name being banshod.

[ocdesi]

how fucking ignorant can you be to say anything other than its the rapists fault. no means no. and if there is no response that means no as well. if you fell alseep (not drunk) at school and the teacher cock slapped you across the face to wake you up is it your fault for having a dick imprinted on your face? this thread is garbage
really? that analogy make zero sense. a predictable outcome for falling asleep in class is not getting dick slapped. however, a predictable outcome for getting wasted, dressing slutty, and going out partying is getting dick slapped.

[Dream_GirL]

Do you think I am?
sorta.. since u think it myt be a possibilty

[N0M0R3]

its a personal choice what you want to wear.....the west isn't some "Islamic" led shit hole country where baseball caps, ties, western hair cuts, and tight clothing are banned...

if you are talking about Saudi Arabia? then you are wrong... All Arab girls wears western style dress!! nothing is banned there, that you have mentioned, except made in Israel.. you can even go to clubs and buy drink if you are non Muslim.. :arrow:

So that my points aren't mistaken, let me add some clarification to my viewpoint.

Everyone should be responsible for their own actions. If a girl is drunk, and she says no, no means no. However, if she's drunk, and she says yes, she can't change her mind later on claiming she was drunk and didn't know what she was doing. If she's old enough to drink, then she's old enough to accept the consequences of her own actions. I can here the stamepede of feminazis rushing to mention that often it's the underaged girls that get drunk and the make poor decisions. I'm all for protecting youth. However, do you think punishing the guy, who was probably also underaged and drunk, is going to solve anything? Nope. They're both victims in that case, except one ends up in jail with a scarlet letter to bear, and the other can just get on with her life.

As for girls dressing provocatively etc, that's all good and well. That's certainly NOT an invitation for rape. Hell, a girl should be able to run around naked w/o worrying about a guy raping her. Guys also have a responsibility to know right from wrong.

In the end, bad things will frequently happen to good people. An innocent girl will have her drink laced an innocent guy will be falsely accused. Those things will happen regardless. I just think it's pointless to have laws that skew things in favor of one party over the other. It eliminates the need for people, and the judicial system, to look beyond the "automatic assumptions" brought on by such laws. :arrow:

good post =)