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iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 04:22 AM
I was shocked to find out that Mohammad allowed rape of non-muslim women. During a raid Mohammad's army destroyed the pagan army and then went on a rape and pillage campaign. Below is the verse illustrating how a muslim approaches Mohammad during the rape of a non-muslim woman and asked if he should withdraw his penis before ejaculation.
Mohammad instead of being disgusted and appalled by this, takes this situation casually and advises the rapist that if Allah wanted a child to born then it will be and not to worry about withdrawing as all children are born from Allah's will.
This verse is from Hadith's which are a collection of writing describing Mohammad and his story. This is two of the three authentic Hadith which muslim scholar's accept as genuine story of Mohammad.
This verse is taken from a university site and is highly reliable.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/034.sbt.html#003.034.432
Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/029.mmt.html#029.29.32.95
Book 29, Number 29.32.95:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman from Muhammad ibn Yahya ibn Habban that Ibn Muhayriz said, "I went into the mosque and saw Abu Said al-Khudri and so I sat by him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said al-Khudri said, 'We went out with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, on the expedition to the Banu al-Mustaliq. We took some Arabs prisoner, and we desired the women as celibacy was hard for us. We wanted the ransom, so we wanted to practise coitus interruptus. We said, 'Shall we practise coitus interruptus while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is among us before we ask him?' We asked him about that and he said, 'You don't have to not do it. There is no self which is to come into existence up to the Day of Rising but that it will come into existence.' "
addiction01
January 11th, 2008, 04:25 AM
I think you're a dickwad. Wait I know you are.
sunny333333
January 11th, 2008, 04:30 AM
I was shocked to find out that Mohammad allowed rape of non-muslim women. During a raid Mohammad's army destroyed the pagan army and then went on a rape and pillage campaign. Below is the verse illustrating how a muslim approaches Mohammad during the rape of a non-muslim woman and asked if he should withdraw his penis before ejaculation.
Mohammad instead of being disgusted and appalled by this, takes this situation casually and advises the rapist that if Allah wanted a child to born then it will be and not to worry about withdrawing as all children are born from Allah's will.
This verse is from Hadith's which are a collection of writing describing Mohammad and his story. This is two of the three authentic Hadith which muslim scholar's accept as genuine story of Mohammad.
This verse is taken from a university site and is highly reliable.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/034.sbt.html#003.034.432
Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/029.mmt.html#029.29.32.95
Book 29, Number 29.32.95:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman from Muhammad ibn Yahya ibn Habban that Ibn Muhayriz said, "I went into the mosque and saw Abu Said al-Khudri and so I sat by him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said al-Khudri said, 'We went out with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, on the expedition to the Banu al-Mustaliq. We took some Arabs prisoner, and we desired the women as celibacy was hard for us. We wanted the ransom, so we wanted to practise coitus interruptus. We said, 'Shall we practise coitus interruptus while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is among us before we ask him?' We asked him about that and he said, 'You don't have to not do it. There is no self which is to come into existence up to the Day of Rising but that it will come into existence.' "
u need to suck my dick choke on it n die piece of shit dumb fuck
DasJa
January 11th, 2008, 04:36 AM
Ban!!
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 05:05 AM
I see no one has been able to refute the disgraceful verse from Islam which I have exposed.
The only comeback is howls of hate.
Lord_Dirty
January 11th, 2008, 05:21 AM
shut up you stupid punday
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 05:35 AM
I see no one has been able to refute the disgraceful verse from Islam which I have exposed.
The only comeback is howls of hate.
I agree with you, i do not have the knowledge of Islam to disprove anything you say regarding the hadiths and the prophet Muhammad. Generally speaking, certain religious figures within the Abrahamic faiths engaged in behaviour which we would consider disturbing today...like Abraham impregnating his concubine Hagar then abandoning her and the child Ishmael in the desert to die.
I don't know enough about the prophet Muhammad to agree or disagree with this revelation, hopefully TigerStyle786 will come in here and clear shit up from a muslim perspective.
da1nonliprincess
January 11th, 2008, 05:36 AM
I was shocked to find out that Mohammad allowed rape of non-muslim women. During a raid Mohammad's army destroyed the pagan army and then went on a rape and pillage campaign. Below is the verse illustrating how a muslim approaches Mohammad during the rape of a non-muslim woman and asked if he should withdraw his penis before ejaculation.
Mohammad instead of being disgusted and appalled by this, takes this situation casually and advises the rapist that if Allah wanted a child to born then it will be and not to worry about withdrawing as all children are born from Allah's will.
This verse is from Hadith's which are a collection of writing describing Mohammad and his story. This is two of the three authentic Hadith which muslim scholar's accept as genuine story of Mohammad.
This verse is taken from a university site and is highly reliable.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/034.sbt.html#003.034.432
Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/029.mmt.html#029.29.32.95
Book 29, Number 29.32.95:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman from Muhammad ibn Yahya ibn Habban that Ibn Muhayriz said, "I went into the mosque and saw Abu Said al-Khudri and so I sat by him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said al-Khudri said, 'We went out with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, on the expedition to the Banu al-Mustaliq. We took some Arabs prisoner, and we desired the women as celibacy was hard for us. We wanted the ransom, so we wanted to practise coitus interruptus. We said, 'Shall we practise coitus interruptus while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is among us before we ask him?' We asked him about that and he said, 'You don't have to not do it. There is no self which is to come into existence up to the Day of Rising but that it will come into existence.' "
you guys are being biased... let the person speak... you guys shouldn't just curse but come up with a good counter-argument
indesicive
January 11th, 2008, 05:36 AM
You really expect a comeback for such an ignorant post you knob head?
Quoting from a web-site that is just as clueless as you are!
Reliable source? You failed to mention who these Islamic Scholars are!
=Surge=
January 11th, 2008, 05:40 AM
Religion. The downfall of man.
DasJa
January 11th, 2008, 05:44 AM
Religion. The downfall of man.
:werd:
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 05:53 AM
You really expect a comeback for such an ignorant post you knob head?
Quoting from a web-site that is just as clueless as you are!
Reliable source? You failed to mention who these Islamic Scholars are!
Its from a well known university website. It is authentic.
Go to muslim website and you will see the same translation.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 05:59 AM
I agree with you, i do not have the knowledge of Islam to disprove anything you say regarding the hadiths and the prophet Muhammad. Generally speaking, certain religious figures within the Abrahamic faiths engaged in behaviour which we would consider disturbing today...like Abraham impregnating his concubine Hagar then abandoning her and the child Ishmael in the desert to die.
I don't know enough about the prophet Muhammad to agree or disagree with this revelation, hopefully TigerStyle786 will come in here and clear shit up from a muslim perspective.
Speaking of criminal Abrahmaic Prophet here is a beauty from Moses. Here he killed little infant boys and rapes little girls.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=31&version=31
7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [a]
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
warrior84
January 11th, 2008, 06:31 AM
I was shocked to find out that Mohammad allowed rape of non-muslim women. During a raid Mohammad's army destroyed the pagan army and then went on a rape and pillage campaign. Below is the verse illustrating how a muslim approaches Mohammad during the rape of a non-muslim woman and asked if he should withdraw his penis before ejaculation.
Mohammad instead of being disgusted and appalled by this, takes this situation casually and advises the rapist that if Allah wanted a child to born then it will be and not to worry about withdrawing as all children are born from Allah's will.
This verse is from Hadith's which are a collection of writing describing Mohammad and his story. This is two of the three authentic Hadith which muslim scholar's accept as genuine story of Mohammad.
This verse is taken from a university site and is highly reliable.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/034.sbt.html#003.034.432
Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/029.mmt.html#029.29.32.95
Book 29, Number 29.32.95:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman from Muhammad ibn Yahya ibn Habban that Ibn Muhayriz said, "I went into the mosque and saw Abu Said al-Khudri and so I sat by him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said al-Khudri said, 'We went out with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, on the expedition to the Banu al-Mustaliq. We took some Arabs prisoner, and we desired the women as celibacy was hard for us. We wanted the ransom, so we wanted to practise coitus interruptus. We said, 'Shall we practise coitus interruptus while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is among us before we ask him?' We asked him about that and he said, 'You don't have to not do it. There is no self which is to come into existence up to the Day of Rising but that it will come into existence.' "
thats pathetic if its true.
vsaigal
January 11th, 2008, 06:40 AM
if that has been translated right. and all is true.
that is really bad. :no:
BadFingerBoogie
January 11th, 2008, 06:49 AM
a-okay.
cococrisp
January 11th, 2008, 06:50 AM
I see no one has been able to refute the disgraceful verse from Islam which I have exposed.
The only comeback is howls of hate.
:werd:
yeh i was lookin forward to some civil replies :| since im not a muslim... i got no say in this other than jus to read the replies of other people who know what he's talkin about
The Tush
January 11th, 2008, 06:51 AM
I am a bit confused? I thought this was an accepted fact? Why are people even disputing it? It says it right there in the Koran.
Although most prophets are peaceful people who went about teaching ... Mohammed was a totally different type of person. If you read the start of the Koran it details all his war campaigns. He went about the middle east attacking non-muslim settlements and forced people to either convert or face the consequences. Death for men. Rape for women.
Not being offensive. I really did not think this was new?
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 06:53 AM
if that has been translated right. and all is true.
that is really bad. :no:
Remember Moses was sent by God to kill the boys and rape the little girls. Since Jesus is the God and is the God of Old Testament, this means that jesus sent Prophet Moses to kill the little boys.
Tell that to Christians.
Their answer will be that it was okay for that time and place and Jesus changed it is the New Testament.
The answer from Hindu should be what Sugri said to Kumbhkaran who chose to side with demon Rawan instead of with the truth and side with Ram. Kumbhkaran says that truth changes with time and place.
And Sugri replies is "there is only one truth. And that truth is eternal.
Check Mate.
p.s. truth is referring to the truth of humanity. Not to paradigm shifts such as change in Business practice, the way we live our lives etc
Desi MC
January 11th, 2008, 06:53 AM
No0oob you suck go kill yourself.
cococrisp
January 11th, 2008, 06:57 AM
I am a bit confused? I thought this was an accepted fact? Why are people even disputing it? It says it right there in the Koran.
Although most prophets are peaceful people who went about teaching ... Mohammed was a totally different type of person. If you read the start of the Koran it details all his war campaigns. He went about the middle east attacking non-muslim settlements and forced people to either convert or face the consequences. Death for men. Rape for women.
Not being offensive. I really did not think this was new?
:shock: is that true or is this person speakin tottal bullshit?
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:01 AM
I am a bit confused? I thought this was an accepted fact? Why are people even disputing it? It says it right there in the Koran.
Although most prophets are peaceful people who went about teaching ... Mohammed was a totally different type of person. If you read the start of the Koran it details all his war campaigns. He went about the middle east attacking non-muslim settlements and forced people to either convert or face the consequences. Death for men. Rape for women.
Not being offensive. I really did not think this was new?
Now THAT...is actually, like...not true at all.
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:02 AM
:shock: is that true or is this person speakin tottal bullshit?
he gets his info from FOX!
indesicive
January 11th, 2008, 07:03 AM
1) The only thing Authentic in this world with regards to Islam which IS the original, unaltered Message of Allah (swt) is the Holy Qur'an. All other texts are either mis-translated or mis-interpreted.
2) Its easy to read between the lines of a so called "quote" and pick up on points you may see as controversial!
Example. The answer that the Prophet saaw gave was in response to the question asked ie "what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?". There is nothing to suggest that the prophet saaw DID NOT condemn them raping women - it could have been ommitted from the text since it is not relevant to the discussion IE "coitus interruptus" which is more concerned with a contraceptive measure more than what you are implying!
In any case refer to my first point in future.
addiction01
January 11th, 2008, 07:04 AM
you guys are being biased... let the person speak... you guys shouldn't just curse but come up with a good counter-argument
I think you need to keep your mouth shut child I mean you can't even spell the, and, or even, only.
cococrisp
January 11th, 2008, 07:06 AM
he gets his info from FOX!
is that a yes or no :dunno:
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:09 AM
1) The only thing Authentic in this world with regards to Islam which IS the original, unaltered Message of Allah (swt) is the Holy Qur'an. All other texts are either mis-translated or mis-interpreted.
2) Its easy to read between the lines of a so called "quote" and pick up on points you may see as controversial!
Example. The answer that the Prophet saaw gave was in response to the question asked ie "what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?". There is nothing to suggest that the prophet saaw DID NOT condemn them raping women - it could have been ommitted from the text since it is not relevant to the discussion IE "coitus interruptus" which is more concerned with a contraceptive measure more than what you are implying!
In any case refer to my first point in future.
These men were commiting rape and asking whether they should ejaculate into the raped women or not as it may produce baby.
Mohammad replied babies come iwth the will of Allah and so it does not matter whether they withdraw before ejaculation or not.
What part of this do you not understand.
"We took some Arabs prisoner, and we desired the women as celibacy was hard for us. We wanted the ransom, so we wanted to practise coitus interruptus. We said, 'Shall we practise coitus interruptus while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is among us before we ask him?' We asked him about that and he said, 'You don't have to not do it. There is no self which is to come into existence up to the Day of Rising but that it will come into existence.' "
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:10 AM
is that a yes or no :dunno:
*sigh*...its a yes
cococrisp
January 11th, 2008, 07:15 AM
*sigh*...its a yes
lol so now i know FOX tells the truth...
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:15 AM
Now THAT...is actually, like...not true at all.
Actually at first Mohammad was resonable okay. Later as his power grew he killed all his critics including an 80 year old woman. As he got stronger his army turned from Defence into outright offence against innocent tribes who had no guilt.
He took the loot from these tribes to arm himself .
Islam is man made and manufactured for Arab ascendancy. Arabs were a bunch of uncivilised barbarians and MOHAMMAD WOULD HAVE BEEN jealous of civilised people like Indians, Romans, Greeks etc. He would have felt inferior when he travelled and heard about great races like Chinese and Indians and their deeds.
Seeing the rise of christianity in Rome and how religion can be used to unite people, he decided to manufacture a religion to unite Arabs and give them civilisation history.
His jealousy of superior civilisations is one reason why Mohammad always goaded muslims to evenually attack India.
BadFingerBoogie
January 11th, 2008, 07:25 AM
Remember Moses was sent by God to kill the boys and rape the little girls. Since Jesus is the God and is the God of Old Testament, this means that jesus sent Prophet Moses to kill the little boys.
Tell that to Christians.
Their answer will be that it was okay for that time and place and Jesus changed it is the New Testament.
The answer from Hindu should be what Sugri said to Kumbhkaran who chose to side with demon Rawan instead of with the truth and side with Ram. Kumbhkaran says that truth changes with time and place.
And Sugri replies is "there is only one truth. And that truth is eternal.
Check Mate.
p.s. truth is referring to the truth of humanity. Not to paradigm shifts such as change in Business practice, the way we live our lives etc
is this all to offset the fact that you worship idols or what? you can worship whatever you want man. we're not weighing judgment.
The Tush
January 11th, 2008, 07:28 AM
Now THAT...is actually, like...not true at all.
A history lesson then? lol
Mohammed leads armies to the following:
624 AD Battle of Badr
625 AD Battle of Uhud
626 AD Battle of Al-Nadir
627 AD War of the Ditch
627 AD Battle of Qurayzah
629 AD Battle of Khaybar
630 AD Battle of Mecca
All largely involved slaughter and rape. That is what wars are about right?
Definitely not the life of a saint lol
Just the facts please.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:29 AM
is this all to offset the fact that you worship idols or what? you can worship whatever you want man. we're not weighing judgment.
Exposing the Abrahmaic mind.
This guys thinks that a ritual such as worshipping idol is as bad as raping women
THis shows how much the Abrahamic mind is demented.undefined
cococrisp
January 11th, 2008, 07:30 AM
how can Jesus send Moses to rape lil boys when he wasnt even born when moses was alive :|
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Seeing the rise of christianity in Rome and how religion can be used to unite people, he decided to manufacture a religion to unite Arabs and give them civilisation history.
His jealousy of superior civilisations is one reason why Mohammad always goaded muslims to evenually attack India.
:rofl: - Christianity in Europe, ever heard of the middle ages?? - to cut short..."Christian" Europe, ruled by priests and clergy turned the population into fucking imbeciles...eg. the Church at the time told people not to bathe because humans have no right to wash away god's dirt...Christianity as defined by Constantine was a tool of conquest nothing more.
Mohammad never "goaded" muslims to attack India, the Persians invaded India nearly millenia after and just happened to be Muslim...thats all. That's as absurd as me saying that Jesus "goaded" British Christians to colonize India...
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:35 AM
:rofl: - Christianity in Europe, ever heard of the middle ages?? - to cut short..."Christian" Europe, ruled by priests and clergy destroyed europe and turned people into fucking imbeciles...like the Church at the time telling people not to bathe because humans have no right to wash away god's dirt...
Christianity as defined by Constantine was a tool of conquest dominating much of europe in a violent manner.
Mohammad never "goaded" muslims to attack India, the Persians invaded India nearly millenia after and just happened to be Muslim...thats all. That's as absurd as me saying that Jesus "goaded" British Christians to colonize India...
I am fairly sure Mohammad did goad to attack india. I will get the quote.
You are actually agreeing with my assertion that Mohammad saw how christianity was being used to assert power over people oin Europe. Mohammad decided to create a religion just like it to carry out similar actvities.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:36 AM
how can Jesus send Moses to rape lil boys when he wasnt even born when moses was alive :|
Because Jesus was not created 2000 years ago. According to christianity the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one and have always existed.
They are the same being.
This means the God that sent Moses is also Jesus.
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:37 AM
I am fairly sure Mohammad did goad to attack india. I will get the quote.
You are actually agreeing with my assertion that Mohammad saw how christianity was being used to assert power over people oin Europe. Mohammad decided to create a religion just like it to carry out similar actvities.
im not agreeing with you...anyway, you're an idiot.
RYUK
January 11th, 2008, 07:39 AM
Sex b4 marriage is haram in Islam, now why would rape be allowed?
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:42 AM
im not agreeing with you...anyway, you're an idiot.
Understand what I am writing before you disagree while at the same time agreeing with me.
Mohammad learnt how to run a civilisation based on religion and how to dominate unbelievers and he learnt this from Christianity.
He was a well travelled man.
Being an Arab and part of a good for nothing race he would have felt inferior travelling and meeting people of great civilisations. It would have been interesting to hear these conversations.
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:43 AM
Understand what I am writing before you disagree while at the same time agreeing with me.
Mohammad learnt how to run a civilisation based on religion and how to dominate unbelievers and he learnt this from Christianity.
He was a well travelled man.
Being an Arab and part of a good for nothing race he would have felt inferior travelling and meeting people of great civilisations. It would have been interesting to hear these conversations.
again...You're an idiot.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:44 AM
Sex b4 marriage is haram in Islam, now why would rape be allowed?
Raping non-muslim is haram.
Unbelivers or Kaffir as you people say are not worth anything in Islam. PArticualrly pagans who are not "people of the book". Muslims have and will always treat the pagans the worst.
cococrisp
January 11th, 2008, 07:46 AM
Because Jesus was not created 2000 years ago. According to christianity the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one and have always existed.
They are the same being.
This means the God that sent Moses is also Jesus.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL... umm right... :rolleyes:
get ur facts staright....
LOL @ Jesus was not created 2k years ago.... lollllz
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:48 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL... umm right... :rolleyes:
get ur facts staright....
LOL @ Jesus was not created 2k years ago.... lollllz
Jesus according to christianity is God. And God always existed. And God sent Moses.
Follow the trail of thought young man
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:50 AM
Jesus according to christianity is God. And God always existed. And God sent Moses.
Follow the trail of thought young man
exactly...but then again, how credible is that?
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:53 AM
exactly...but then again, how credible is that?
You agree. I thought you thought I was an idiot.
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:54 AM
You agree. I thought you thought I was an idiot.
Just coz Christianity claims that Jesus is God, doesnt mean that Jesus is God...
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:56 AM
Just coz Christianity claims that Jesus is God, doesnt mean that Jesus is God...
Youre debating a believing christian then it is applicable
kaisar2
January 11th, 2008, 07:57 AM
wasnt freshmanik banned?
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:01 AM
wasnt freshmanik banned?
I am such a great human being because I like to stick my head in the sand and be good to everyone regardless of what they believe and what danger their beliefs pose.
See God I am so good. I am above hate and things petty.
See God I am so good. So so good.
kaisar2
January 11th, 2008, 08:05 AM
I am such a great human being because I like to stick my head in the sand and be good to everyone regardless of what they believe and what danger their beliefs pose.
See God I am so good. I am above hate and things petty.
See God I am so good. So so good.No you are the same turd we dump everyday, but whenever you float in the water you always smell the same, i-e disgusting.
Zuls
January 11th, 2008, 08:09 AM
I am a bit confused? I thought this was an accepted fact? Why are people even disputing it? It says it right there in the Koran.
Although most prophets are peaceful people who went about teaching ... Mohammed was a totally different type of person. If you read the start of the Koran it details all his war campaigns. He went about the middle east attacking non-muslim settlements and forced people to either convert or face the consequences. Death for men. Rape for women.
Not being offensive. I really did not think this was new?
You need ur head get checked...no where in Koran it mention abut Muslims attacking middle east...infact them wars happen way after death of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)...but no point wasting time as...you guyz will come up with some thing...
kaisar2
January 11th, 2008, 08:11 AM
Freshmanik with a new profile. Mods should see this.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:13 AM
No you are the same turd we dump everyday, but whenever you float in the water you always smell the same, i-e disgusting.
Garbage like you have nothing to contribute to this world. Just another mindless sheep unable to think on his own.
Bahahaha. Bahahaha
fallout?
January 11th, 2008, 08:16 AM
well, likewise, are you non-conforming just for the sake of it?
how about you cool down and stop attacking ANYONE's beliefs?
Garbage like you have nothing to contribute to this world. Just another mindless sheep unable to think on his own.
Bahahaha. Bahahaha
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:23 AM
well, likewise, are you non-conforming just for the sake of it?
how about you cool down and stop attacking ANYONE's beliefs?
If those belief are dangerous and will cuase harm to people as Islam has then it needs to be attacked and dismantled.
kaisar2
January 11th, 2008, 08:24 AM
well, likewise, are you non-conforming just for the sake of it?
how about you cool down and stop attacking ANYONE's beliefs?Oh we dont mind him bro. His original username here is freshmanik. He got banned more than 8 times here for making such threads.
But like i said hes like a turd, who we know will smell but eventually will get dumped.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:26 AM
Oh we dont mind him bro. His original username here is freshmanik. He got banned more than 8 times here for making such threads.
But like i said hes like a turd, who we know will smell but eventually will get dumped.
Islamic Apologetic.
Bahaha Bahaha. Bahahaha.
For you information I am not Freschmilk or whoever.
There are milliions of people who know about Islam now
Zuls
January 11th, 2008, 08:26 AM
A history lesson then? lol
Mohammed leads armies to the following:
624 AD Battle of Badr
625 AD Battle of Uhud
626 AD Battle of Al-Nadir
627 AD War of the Ditch
627 AD Battle of Qurayzah
629 AD Battle of Khaybar
630 AD Battle of Mecca
All largely involved slaughter and rape. That is what wars are about right?
Definitely not the life of a saint lol
Just the facts please.
Lets have a lesson...
Battle of Badr------ 300 muslims against 900 Quraish---who attacked...Qureish
Battle of Uhud------700-1000 infantry,2-4 cavalry Muslims----3,000 infantry, 200 cavalry---Who attacked...Qureish
War of the Ditch----10,000 Quresh attacked Medina...muslims defended within the walls of city...
Battle of Qurayzah----the Qurayzah tribe was charged with treachery and collaboration with the invading armies during the Battle of the Trench, thats how it happend in old time...u go against the rules and u get punished...there were three jews tribes in Medina that time...only these people done treachery and got punished...cause this could hav mean every single muslim dead if suceded
Battle of Khaybar---1,600 Muslims---14,000 Khabar people....
Battle of Mecca---Muslims returned to home land...and Quresh surender without fight and Muslims spared every single one...not even one person got punished....
This is history...not u just naming the battles....
fallout?
January 11th, 2008, 08:27 AM
cool bro, no problemo.. another one of the inflammatory drama queens then ?
Oh we dont mind him bro. His original username here is freshmanik. He got banned more than 8 times here for making such threads.
But like i said hes like a turd, who we know will smell but eventually will get dumped.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Lets have a lesson...
Battle of Badr------ 300 muslims against 900 Quraish---who attacked...Qureish
Battle of Uhud------700-1000 infantry,2-4 cavalry Muslims----3,000 infantry, 200 cavalry---Who attacked...Qureish
War of the Ditch----10,000 Quresh attacked Medina...muslims defended within the walls of city...
Battle of Qurayzah----the Qurayzah tribe was charged with treachery and collaboration with the invading armies during the Battle of the Trench, thats how it happend in old time...u go against the rules and u get punished...there were three jews tribes in Medina that time...only these people done treachery and got punished...cause this could hav mean every single muslim dead if suceded
Battle of Khaybar---1,600 Muslims---14,000 Khabar people....
Battle of Mecca---Muslims returned to home land...and Quresh surender without fight and Muslims spared every single one...not even one person got punished....
This is history...not u just naming the battles....
Now you're in trouble mate. I will bring all of Mohammads aggresive attacks for the world to see.
kaisar2
January 11th, 2008, 08:29 AM
Islamic Apologetic.
Bahaha Bahaha. Bahahaha.
For you information I am not Freschmilk or whoever.
There are milliions of people who know about Islam nowFRESHMANIK
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:35 AM
Lets have a lesson...
Battle of Badr------ 300 muslims against 900 Quraish---who attacked...Qureish
Battle of Uhud------700-1000 infantry,2-4 cavalry Muslims----3,000 infantry, 200 cavalry---Who attacked...Qureish
War of the Ditch----10,000 Quresh attacked Medina...muslims defended within the walls of city...
Battle of Qurayzah----the Qurayzah tribe was charged with treachery and collaboration with the invading armies during the Battle of the Trench, thats how it happend in old time...u go against the rules and u get punished...there were three jews tribes in Medina that time...only these people done treachery and got punished...cause this could hav mean every single muslim dead if suceded
Battle of Khaybar---1,600 Muslims---14,000 Khabar people....
Battle of Mecca---Muslims returned to home land...and Quresh surender without fight and Muslims spared every single one...not even one person got punished....
This is history...not u just naming the battles....
I will collate his aggressive wars and expose him tommorw morning. Till then shake in your bed.
cococrisp
January 11th, 2008, 08:39 AM
FRESHMANIK
really.... i thot manik was a cool cat
vishaalsood
January 11th, 2008, 08:45 AM
i think ths is an intersting threa. All the replies of hate and abus are not valid, neither is the fvery first post saying he allowed rape. But with evidence you can pu an argumentlike this to bed. Let the man say what he has to say, then discuss it rationally. Stop being so pathetic by saying things lik "you have to suck on my dick" or "you must die you dick head" and all that shite
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:50 AM
i think ths is an intersting threa. All the replies of hate and abus are not valid, neither is the fvery first post saying he allowed rape. But with evidence you can pu an argumentlike this to bed. Let the man say what he has to say, then discuss it rationally. Stop being so pathetic by saying things lik "you have to suck on my dick" or "you must die you dick head" and all that shite
What evidence.
They were carrying out rape after they capture non-muslims women and asked Mohammad the cpoitus question.
What there to debate.
vishaalsood
January 11th, 2008, 08:50 AM
What evidence.
They were carrying out rape after they capture non-muslims women and asked Mohammad the cpoitus question.
What there to debate.
you talk like you were alive during these times. you need to calm down
i was solid evidence, not your one single opinion
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:54 AM
i think ths is an intersting threa. All the replies of hate and abus are not valid, neither is the fvery first post saying he allowed rape. But with evidence you can pu an argumentlike this to bed. Let the man say what he has to say, then discuss it rationally. Stop being so pathetic by saying things lik "you have to suck on my dick" or "you must die you dick head" and all that shite
Oh you dont need interesting debate. You want mind numbing politically correct sheep formmers like Kaiser2.
Bahahah Bahaha. Is that intellectually provoking and challenging.
Here is is again. bahahah bahaha
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 08:57 AM
you talk like you were alive during these times. you need to calm down
i was solid evidence, not your one single opinion
Let me dig Mohammad up for you to investigate. Two of the three authentic Hadith carry that verse and I have pasted it.
The fact is that muslims believe this Holy text. They are not looking for evidence. These texts are living and breathing and need to be addressed.
SexiiAmna
January 11th, 2008, 09:05 AM
that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty"
boooootaay :rofl:
ssunkissed
January 11th, 2008, 09:17 AM
stupid thread.....
umr420
January 11th, 2008, 09:40 AM
im not gonna deny thats tru, but so it is in other religions also.
Bible
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
torah
[Deuteronomy 20: 14]. "As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " -- Rig Veda 8:33:17
My point here isnt to divert the attention from islam to other religions. Islam has a lot of sexest and offensive verses also, surah 4:34 for example. most religions that i know of are centered towards men, and it gives men the advantage over woman. People just have to remember that, most of the religions we talk about on here, are from a different era. The era had a different living style and a different society. we cant judge what happend bak then, by the standards we have today. And i mean, the only real choices you have is to, accept a religion and try to understand that society, or to live now in this society and reject religion. Theirs no way the 2 could combine. and 2nd, u guys gotta b more respectful to ALL the religions. I mean first off, this is a rating website, this is not ratereligion. i mean, the first post, was legit, but after that? ppl need to calmm downn
Nilü
January 11th, 2008, 09:54 AM
Your thread is such crap :mad:
sarblohsinghz
January 11th, 2008, 10:05 AM
I am a bit confused? I thought this was an accepted fact? Why are people even disputing it? It says it right there in the Koran.
Although most prophets are peaceful people who went about teaching ... Mohammed was a totally different type of person. If you read the start of the Koran it details all his war campaigns. He went about the middle east attacking non-muslim settlements and forced people to either convert or face the consequences. Death for men. Rape for women.
Not being offensive. I really did not think this was new?
Hmm i agree to some of that
desi_shawrty
January 11th, 2008, 10:16 AM
I've read the translation of the quran three times and by different people and never have i seen that so stop posting weird stuff.
Have you not read any of the stories where the prophet muhammad PBUH
was nice to the non-muslims when they treated him bad. They would throw trash on him, rocks and stuff like that. Never did he ask god to punish them but he would just pray for them and helped them in need.
Now your mumbo jumbo sounds like a whole lot of crap!!
BadFingerBoogie
January 11th, 2008, 10:17 AM
Exposing the Abrahmaic mind.
This guys thinks that a ritual such as worshipping idol is as bad as raping women
THis shows how much the Abrahamic mind is demented.undefined
wait, so this is about you worshipping idols and how everyone else doesn't and since you can pin it everything against muslims, why not do it? gotchya.
my bad, i forgot you were around back then and you saw it all go down.
your history lesson is selective. you're very preoccupied with muslims; i'm glad you understand how great islam, that's why you're so engulfed in trying to make it look bad.
sweet life man.
kaisar2
January 11th, 2008, 10:28 AM
wait, so this is about you worshipping idols and how everyone else doesn't and since you can pin it everything against muslims, why not do it? gotchya.
my bad, i forgot you were around back then and you saw it all go down.
your history lesson is selective. you're very preoccupied with muslims; i'm glad you understand how great islam, that's why you're so engulfed in trying to make it look bad.
sweet life man.
you just :Owned: him
CorruptNightfall
January 11th, 2008, 10:56 AM
I agree with you, i do not have the knowledge of Islam to disprove anything you say regarding the hadiths and the prophet Muhammad. Generally speaking, certain religious figures within the Abrahamic faiths engaged in behaviour which we would consider disturbing today...like Abraham impregnating his concubine Hagar then abandoning her and the child Ishmael in the desert to die.
I don't know enough about the prophet Muhammad to agree or disagree with this revelation, hopefully TigerStyle786 will come in here and clear shit up from a muslim perspective.
You really don't know anything about islam to have said that... look into arabian/pre-islamic history my my dear.
RacingSoul
January 11th, 2008, 11:08 AM
you guys are being biased... let the person speak... you guys shouldn't just curse but come up with a good counter-argument
i agree.
where's SugarHILLsides when u need her? :p
CorruptNightfall
January 11th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Who are we kidding... majority of people on this site are KIDS who arent educated in islam the least bit... (PS im not referring to you cause I quoted you..it was just to mention that the referencing wasnt from the Quran). And when I say arent educated in islam, reading the quran and praying and what not doesnt help when it comes to this.
Im just gonna go check the Sahih Bukhari collection I have in our MSA office before making a counter argument....
PS- when stating "majority of scholars" back that up with some evidence cause I dont know a single scholar who thinks that... and I do read/ listen to islamic lectures. =)
PRCIV
January 11th, 2008, 11:34 AM
There's no sense debating this, the "Prophet" has been exposed countless times, anyone who has read up on him knows the truth.
Mr_Guy
January 11th, 2008, 12:17 PM
ok firstly iamyournightmare just shut the f*** up for a moment, stop trying to find faults in others, when you dont look at your self. your probably a sad depressed kid whos been mentally disturbed and doesnt know anything, so you pick and choose what you want
now about moses killing kids and raping girls?dude wtf you quoted that from a biblical site didnt you?as the hyperlink showed. DUDE THERES OVER 1000 bibles, no disrespect to the christians here, just trying to show the differnt levels of the bible in todays time. Thats not from ISLAM. Islam is based on whats in the Qur'aan which has been the same for the past 1429 or so years. As the same meaning, word for word has been passed down, and written exactly. Which is further supported by the Hadith ( authentic narrations ) of the prophet s.a.w
Now NO WHERE does it say dat we treat non-muslims like crap. Thats a lie. Because ISLAM doesnt promote complusion firstly, so we cant force ne 1 to convert or what ever, cos every 1 has free will and choice, and secondly, we can only tell you what we belive, if you dont wna pay attention then you on your own and us on our own. You keep it real with us, and we keep it real with you, just dont oppose, and insult our religion, cos as i would respect others, i would expect others 2 respect our religion. IF you dont want to belive in what we have to say then alright, thats your choice, just leave it as that, we dont HATE for the fun of it.
And the point you made regarding that hadith about coitus interruptus, as sum 1 mentioned before, is the oldest way of contraception. And the point, of taking the captives as slaves, that means that they are the master, as they are part of the war booty. And the prophet s.a.w teaches his people to look after the slaves, and treat them like any other human, give them food, and clothing, and the best thing for them to do would be to free them if they can
The Prophet then said, "O followers of Muhammad! By Allah! There is none who has more ghaira (self-respect) than Allah as He has forbidden that His slaves, male or female commit adultery (illegal sexual intercourse). O followers of Muhammad! By Allah! If you knew that which I know you would laugh little and weep much. (Book #18, Hadith #154)
Mr_Guy
January 11th, 2008, 12:30 PM
n sum 1 ban him :D
ahsan_j
January 11th, 2008, 12:39 PM
a tamil tiger started a topic here...
and if the fag got it from a site. then its obviously a jew zionist site, as they have many sites spreading lies about islam, just to get thier way more through the world. a man only has intercourse with his wife only.
obviously the guy is a hindu. the biggest haters & worlds worst excuses
umr420
January 11th, 2008, 12:42 PM
a tamil tiger started a topic here...
and if the fag got it from a site. then its obviously a jew zionist site, as they have many sites spreading lies about islam, just to get thier way more through the world. a man only has intercourse with his wife only.
obviously the guy is a hindu. the biggest haters & worlds worst excuses
thats a legit site dude, im muslim, i use it all the time. and by just insulting anyone who criticizes islam.. makes islam look bad..
ahsan_j
January 11th, 2008, 12:45 PM
nowhere does it say in Hadith or Quran to rape,
the only ppl who ever bring up hate is white ppl and hindus, and look at thier faiths, people who have never even read the Quran do not even have the right to talk about Islam,
umr420
January 11th, 2008, 12:47 PM
nowhere does it say in Hadith or Quran to rape,
the only ppl who ever bring up hate is white ppl and hindus, and look at thier faiths, people who have never even read the Quran do not even have the right to talk about Islam,
thats a lil rascist isnt it? lol. The Quran itself doesnt talk about rape per say, but we do have things that are slightly in the gray area. that doesnt mean people are sending out a hate campaign, it just means people have to logically xplain things.
bilalzq
January 11th, 2008, 12:51 PM
dude u have no idea what u r talking about
di vinci
January 11th, 2008, 12:59 PM
thats a lil rascist isnt it? lol. The Quran itself doesnt talk about rape per say, but we do have things that are slightly in the gray area. that doesnt mean people are sending out a hate campaign, it just means people have to logically xplain things.
like wart??
umr420
January 11th, 2008, 01:00 PM
like wart??
the same things that r in other religions basically
ahsan_j
January 11th, 2008, 01:13 PM
dont be such a pussy, Allah wrote the Quran, sure theres stuff that sounds wierd, but we accept it. as in the thousands of other stuff is written, we know is true. like presant/past/future.. what went on... in history etc. what happens tommrow is written already. stuff like that.
and im not racist... use ur own brain. would u sit here n praise people who marry dogs?
PRCIV
January 11th, 2008, 01:15 PM
dont be such a pussy, Allah wrote the Quran, sure theres stuff that sounds wierd, but we accept it. as in the thousands of other stuff is written, we know is true. like presant/past/future.. what went on... in history etc. what happens tommrow is written already. stuff like that.
and im not racist... use ur own brain. would u sit here n praise people who marry dogs?
He's not being a pussy, if more Muslims were like him then the World would be a far better place.
ahsan_j
January 11th, 2008, 01:24 PM
and let the kuffar win? i personally dont work that way. but if ppl were like me, there would be no problems in the world in the first place.. ok cept for lack of patience waiting at banks
DasJa
January 11th, 2008, 01:29 PM
It's that Tamil dude guy who was banned earlier :no:
seren1ty
January 11th, 2008, 01:53 PM
you should present your arguments in a respectable way, nightmare. i do agree that religion is the downfall of mankind, and their are strange things with every religion.
SillyKitty
January 11th, 2008, 01:55 PM
I see no one has been able to refute the disgraceful verse from Islam which I have exposed.
The only comeback is howls of hate.
LOL the thing is, they are all NON muslims ( the members who made those posts before this post of urs)
amaziing_x3
January 11th, 2008, 02:32 PM
a tamil tiger started a topic here...
and if the fag got it from a site. then its obviously a jew zionist site, as they have many sites spreading lies about islam, just to get thier way more through the world. a man only has intercourse with his wife only.
obviously the guy is a hindu. the biggest haters & worlds worst excuses
lol. coulda sworn u said u weren't racist? :rolleyes:
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 02:41 PM
You really don't know anything about islam to have said that... look into arabian/pre-islamic history my my dear.
hey....im just going by the bible and that's what happened.
BadFingerBoogie
January 11th, 2008, 02:43 PM
a lot of bullshit spewing out of people's mouths in this thread.
you guys need to grow-up, get laid, do something to keep yourselves busy. you're wastes of life.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 03:23 PM
Who are we kidding... majority of people on this site are KIDS who arent educated in islam the least bit... (PS im not referring to you cause I quoted you..it was just to mention that the referencing wasnt from the Quran). And when I say arent educated in islam, reading the quran and praying and what not doesnt help when it comes to this.
Im just gonna go check the Sahih Bukhari collection I have in our MSA office before making a counter argument....
You will find that the translation in MSA office says the same thing.
Can you paste it here for everyone.
Mohammad did allow rape of non-muslim women.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 03:24 PM
you just :Owned: him
Bahahaha Bahahahaah Bahahahaah.
Mr_Guy
January 11th, 2008, 03:35 PM
You will find that the translation in MSA office says the same thing.
Can you paste it here for everyone.
Mohammad did allow rape of non-muslim women.
did u even read what i posted or did any 1 geez 8-) tigerstyle ain here :ugh: so am tryna fill in da place
di vinci
January 11th, 2008, 03:36 PM
lol. coulda sworn u said u weren't racist? :rolleyes:
i think i love u *whilst looking at ur breast :yum: *
The Genie
January 11th, 2008, 03:44 PM
you guys need to grow-up, get laid, do something to keep yourselves busy. you're wastes of life.
:werd:
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 03:51 PM
now about moses killing kids and raping girls?dude wtf you quoted that from a biblical site didnt you?as the hyperlink showed. DUDE THERES OVER 1000 bibles, no disrespect to the christians here, just trying to show the differnt levels of the bible in todays time. Thats not from ISLAM. Islam is based on whats in the Qur'aan which has been the same for the past 1429 or so years. As the same meaning, word for word has been passed down, and written exactly. Which is further supported by the Hadith ( authentic narrations ) of the prophet s.a.w
In all of Bible translation it does show Moses killing little boys. Show me one that doesnt.
Secondly I am glad you have stated that the Hadith are authentic. And it is the authentic Hadith that shows Mohammad allowing rape of non-muslim women
Now NO WHERE does it say dat we treat non-muslims like crap. Thats a lie. Because ISLAM doesnt promote complusion firstly, so we cant force ne 1 to convert or what ever, cos every 1 has free will and choice, and secondly, we can only tell you what we belive, if you dont wna pay attention then you on your own and us on our own. You keep it real with us, and we keep it real with you, just dont oppose, and insult our religion, cos as i would respect others, i would expect others 2 respect our religion. IF you dont want to belive in what we have to say then alright, thats your choice, just leave it as that, we dont HATE for the fun of it.
Actually did convert by force on many occassions. Why dont you read the Quran. Initially Mohammad did state there is no compulsion, however in his later years when he became powerful, he misused it and converted forcefully.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html
009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
009.006
YUSUFALI: If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
And the point you made regarding that hadith about coitus interruptus, as sum 1 mentioned before, is the oldest way of contraception. And the point, of taking the captives as slaves, that means that they are the master, as they are part of the war booty. And the prophet s.a.w teaches his people to look after the slaves, and treat them like any other human, give them food, and clothing, and the best thing for them to do would be to free them if they can
The Prophet then said, "O followers of Muhammad! By Allah! There is none who has more ghaira (self-respect) than Allah as He has forbidden that His slaves, male or female commit adultery (illegal sexual intercourse). O followers of Muhammad! By Allah! If you knew that which I know you would laugh little and weep much. (Book #18, Hadith #154)
Islamic Numnskullery st it's best
When you have sex with a slave then this constitute rape. The women are there against their own will and the master is having sex with them.
There is no reasonable way of screwing a slave. They are all rape.
For Mohammad to find a Halal way of banging slave shows what a sick and demented individual he was. And for you to justify screwing of slave women shows how sick an individual you are as well.
Sex ettiquete with slave women. Only a demented religion like Islam would come up with that.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 03:55 PM
im not gonna deny thats tru, but so it is in other religions also.
Bible
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
torah
[Deuteronomy 20: 14]. "As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " -- Rig Veda 8:33:17
My point here isnt to divert the attention from islam to other religions. Islam has a lot of sexest and offensive verses also, surah 4:34 for example. most religions that i know of are centered towards men, and it gives men the advantage over woman. People just have to remember that, most of the religions we talk about on here, are from a different era. The era had a different living style and a different society. we cant judge what happend bak then, by the standards we have today. And i mean, the only real choices you have is to, accept a religion and try to understand that society, or to live now in this society and reject religion. Theirs no way the 2 could combine. and 2nd, u guys gotta b more respectful to ALL the religions. I mean first off, this is a rating website, this is not ratereligion. i mean, the first post, was legit, but after that? ppl need to calmm downn
How can you comapre some chauvanism in Veda's to the barbaric atrocities against civilian population in Islam and Christianity.
They dont equate.
Hinduism is far superior religion
di vinci
January 11th, 2008, 03:56 PM
How can you comapre some chauvanism in Veda's to the barbaric atrocities against civilian population in Islam and Christianity.
They dont equate.
Hinduism is far superior religion
they did have wars in hinduism?
PRCIV
January 11th, 2008, 03:57 PM
How can you comapre some chauvanism in Veda's to the barbaric atrocities against civilian population in Islam and Christianity.
They dont equate.
Hinduism is far superior religion
You speak too much truth man.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 03:59 PM
im not gonna deny thats tru, but so it is in other religions also.
Bible
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
torah
[Deuteronomy 20: 14]. "As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " -- Rig Veda 8:33:17
My point here isnt to divert the attention from islam to other religions. Islam has a lot of sexest and offensive verses also, surah 4:34 for example. most religions that i know of are centered towards men, and it gives men the advantage over woman. People just have to remember that, most of the religions we talk about on here, are from a different era. The era had a different living style and a different society. we cant judge what happend bak then, by the standards we have today. And i mean, the only real choices you have is to, accept a religion and try to understand that society, or to live now in this society and reject religion. Theirs no way the 2 could combine. and 2nd, u guys gotta b more respectful to ALL the religions. I mean first off, this is a rating website, this is not ratereligion. i mean, the first post, was legit, but after that? ppl need to calmm downn
How can you comapre some chauvanism in Veda's to the barbaric atrocities against civilian population in Islam and Christianity.
They dont equate.
Hinduism is far superior religion.
It may have some chauvanism but little barbarity.
If you read Ramayana, Lord Ram clearly stipulates not to harm civilian population, not to take attack an unarmed enemy, not to harm prisoners of war and to treat them with respect, and not to use disproportionate weapons (yuu cant drop nuclear bomb against an enemy who are using only guns - what US did to Japan is forbidden).
Lord Rams ideas are all implemented in the Geneva Convention.
How far ahead of time was he. Trully the one true God.
The Genie
January 11th, 2008, 04:12 PM
Can you find some quotes from the Qu'ran?
Muslims believe that Gods word is the Qu'ran unchanged for over 1400 years your probably some fat dude who hasnt seen the outside world for a good few months living off pot noodles and watch granny porn for entertainment!
dude how many people do you think have tried to contest the religion and the Qu'ran? Educated well-known figures recognised in todays society as leaders in their profession not some JOKE who spends more time with a keyboard than his family and whos probably named his mouse "tim" and whos bestfriend is google!!
if your looking for a debate look up the likes of Dr. Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat..
Wer on here peacefully.. dont cause no serious arguements nor do we insult eachothers beliefs, cultures or family views (well most of the time)
so seriously just fuck off find yourself a job and make something of your life!!
Your a waste!!
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 04:22 PM
Can you find some quotes from the Qu'ran?
!!
What quotes do you want?
Also authentic hadith can also be used as they complement Quran and work collectively as the Islamic text.
As for Dr Zakir Naik, he is a coward that runs and hides and never debates real scholars who are against Islam.
Ali Sina has challenged him for years but the coward Dr Zakir Naik runs and hides.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaikp2.htm
The Challenge to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik
Several Muslims asked me to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik. The following correspondence should make it clear that I am ready and it is Dr. Naik who is unwilling to debate.
This was a letter sent by a reader of FFI to Dr. Naik with a CC to me.
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Hello Mr. Sina,
I sent this to Naik awhile back and no answer as of yet:
Hello,
Would you be so kind as to engage in a written debate with a former Muslim turned Atheist named Alin Sina? He runs the web site called www.faithfreedom.org and has over 70,000 people a month visiting his site.
He would be more than happy to debate you and will post the exchanges on his site for all to see where the truth lies. You can even engage him in debate on his forum:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum.htm
It is easy to win a live debate where time limits allow either speaker the possibility to misquote sources and use flashy rhetoric to deceive and sway crowds. In a written debate, these things can't take place without the writer being exposed for doing so.
Hopefully you will come forward and defend Islam, since many other scholars have refused, or won't acknowledge the challenge such as John L. Esposito, and others have tried but failed:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates.htm
Please respond back so I can inform him of your acceptance and refusal.
Second attempt:
This is just to remind you of what I had sent to you. The date now is November 19, 2004:
Hello,
Would you be so kind as to engage in a written debate with a former Muslim turned Atheist named Ali Sina? He runs the web site called www.faithfreedom.org and has over 130,000 people a month visiting his site.
He would be more than happy to debate you and will post the exchanges on his site for all to see where the truth lies. You can even engage him in debate on his forum:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum.htm
It is easy to win a live debate where time limits allow either speaker the possibility to misquote sources and use flashy rhetoric to deceive and sway crowds. In a written debate, these things can't take place without the writer being exposed for doing so.
Hopefully you will come forward and defend Islam, since many other scholars have refused, or won't acknowledge the challenge such as John L. Esposito, and others have tried but failed:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates.htm
Please respond back so I can inform him of your acceptance or refusal.
Because of the insistence of Muslims I personally wrote the following invitation to Dr. Naik
Dr. Zakir Naik
An Invitation to Debate
To Dr. Zakir Naik
info@drzakirnaik.com
2004/12/11
Dear Dr. Zakir Naik
My name is Ali Sina. I am one of the initiators of Faith Freedom International, a movement of ex-Muslims that is dedicated to promote the truth about Islam. We believe that without addressing the problem of Islam mankind will never experience peace.
The reason I am writing this open letter to you which I am also going to publish in my site, is because during the last couple of years, I received several emails from Muslims daring me to debate with you. To all of them I said I am ready and asked them to invite you to have a debate with me in a public forum in writing. I am publishing these emails so Muslims may know I am not avoiding the debate.
If you accept this invitation, I would like you to give me one solid argument in support of Islam as a true religion of God that I can't refute.
Personally I have not had the pleasure of listening to your talks yet, but since your name always comes up, I suppose you must be an expert in Islam and hence you’ll have no difficulty accepting this invitation.
Let me also reiterate that I have promised to remove my site www.faithfreedom.org should anyone prove my charges against Muhammad and Islam are wrong.
Of course if you decline responding or accepting this invitation, I am not going to unilaterally declare victory. However this public invitation will allow me to demonstrate to Muslims who challenge me to confront you that I have tried.
I remain cordially yours
Ali Sina
This is what I received in response of the above invitation:
From: info@drzakirnaik.com
Subject: Re: Debate with Dr. Zakir Naik
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:10:14 -0000
Hi,
Thank you for your email.
However, I'd just like to point a few things out. Firstly Dr Zakir Naik doesn't read any emails which come to this website, he is mostly abroad and doesn't have time to deal with the hundreds of emails we get daily.
Dr. Zakir Naik has had many debates, and they are all with high-profile and high-calibre people, people who are know to the Christian world etc...
Dr. Zakir Naik will be having more debates, and they will be advertised on our website in due course, 99% of people who wish to attack Islam all use the same points, which are mostly answered on our website, so there will be nothing special to debate with you at this time.
We are very busy, any new material that we find on the internet against Islam we shall answer in due course and post the information on our website.
many thanks
Admin Team.
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Dear Admin Team
The reason I wrote to Mr. Naik is because I received numerous emails from Muslims challenging me to debate with him.
My site received over one million visitors in the last eleven months. This number has been doubling each year. According to Alexa.com today (Dec. 11, 2004) my site ranks 49,499 and Dr. Naik's site ranks 626,043 (these numbers change everyday) So my site is at least 12 times more popular than Dr. Naik's site. (World's most popular site is Yahoo that ranks 1)
Faith Freedom International is advancing fast and is revealing the hidden face of Islam to millions of people. Many Muslims have already left Islam thanks to the information that our site has made available to them. If I were a Muslim and believed that Islam is a true religion I would not miss this chance to respond to the charges brought against my Faith in this site and shut it down.
The reason I wrote this invitation, was not to debate with Dr. Naik. I knew already Dr. Naik would not accept. He is wise enough to protect his reputation. I just wanted to make it clear to the Muslims who keep asking me to debate with Dr. Naik that it is Dr. Naik who is unwilling to debate. Now whether it is because he is busy, he thinks my profile and caliber are not high enough for him or he does not want to risk his reputation by debating with me is up to the readers to decide.
Dr. Naik should be able to read his emails no matter which part of the world he is. Being abroad, is no more an excuse in this age of the Internet.
With kind regards,
Ali Sina
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Muslims are encouraged to invite any person they think is capable to defend Islam to debate with me. There are 1.2 billion Muslims living in this world. Are all of them busy? Is there not even one Muslim who may have enough time to respond to these charges? Isn't it embarrassing that none of the great scholars of Islam is capable of refuting a person with such low profile and caliber like me? If what I say are lies, I have made a huge impact on the way people see Islam with these lies. Shouldn't you call your scholars and tell them you are not going to pay your Zakat to them unless they fulfill their duty and save Islam's "good name" from these lies?
If you can't find anyone willing to take this challenge, doesn't this show that Islam does not have an answer? Why stay in a religion that can't be defended?
I bet there are millions of Muslims eager to defend Islam by slitting my throat. But is there one Muslim who is willing to defend Islam with logics?
I received information that Dr. Naik's various claims were refuted by Christian scholars while he showed no interest to debate with them
Maybe Dr. Naik could tell us who are those "high-profile and high-caliber" opponents with whom he debated?
• Debate with Dr. Zakir Naik 2005/12/19
Comment here
2004/02/14
anasrafi wrote:
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I believe that you clearly think of yourself as some sort of genius.
Oh no, no. You got it all wrong. It is not me who is genius. It is Islam that is stupid. Anyone can win debating with Muslims about Islam. We are standing on solid ground and our logical guns are fully loaded with deadly arguments. Muslims are standing in soft sand where they sink under their own weight, and can’t move. Their gun is also loaded with logical fallacies. You hear a bang but it is not hitting anything. It is natural that we win and they lose. It has nothing to do with our genius. It is just where we are standing and the arguments that we carry. If you switch side you can discuss with the most learned Muslims and win. Just read the forum, you’ll notice that all of us win the debates with Muslims all the time. It is not that we are all geniuses. It has to do with our position. Islam is false and falsehood cannot stand the truth. A small lamp can win the darkness of the night.
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Do you really believe that you have discovered something in Islam, some flaw, that has not been detected already by renowned Christian scholars who have studied the Quran more indepthly then you have, and who are more highly-educated then you are?
No! Of course not! I never made such claim. I repeatedly said what I say is not new. It is as old as Islam itself. Many of the questions that I ask were first asked by the freethinkers of Mecca. The point is that these questions were never answered. The only answer Muhammad gave was that “they are deaf, dumb and blind and do not understand”. This is ad hominem not a logical argument. Then he killed those who asked these questions. After 1400 years I am repeating the same old questions. The questions are old. Where are the answers?
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Do you really believe that you can present to the board one contradiction, one flaw, one error in the writings of our holy book, the Quran, which has not come up before and not already been clarified by Dr. Zakir Naik?
Yes, not one but many. Dr. Zakir Naik is not a true scholar of Islam. He knows it. He is just a showman. He is the Muslim version of Jimmy Swagart. There are many scholars in Islam but he is not one of them. I have had debates with much greater scholars. The reason I posted that challenge is because I received over a hundred emails from Muslims daring me to debate with him. To each I said I am ready, call Dr. Naik, but never heard from them again. Finally I posted that invitation for the Muslims to see that it is not me who is hiding.
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How can you possibly claim that you have converted Muslims into non-believers through your research? It is a ridiculous claim.
Well I have posted the testimony of some of them in the Leaving Islam page. Many more have written also but did not give their stories. They just said they are now convinced that Islam is false. Many also leave Islam without writing anything to me. One friend said that she knows five Muslims who have left Islam directly as the result of reading this site. This is just the beginning. We are growing exponentially. Just watch and see. But I hope you do better. I hope you read and see the truth and you too join us in our struggle to wake up the poor Muslims. There are only two possibilities. Either we are mistaken or we are not. If we are mistaken, please read the articles we have written, familiarize yourself with our arguments and then point out our errors. But if we are right, why don’t you join us?
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Moreoever, you have the audacity to say that Dr. Zakir Naik is afraid of debating you, for he fears his reputation would be greatly tarnished by someone like you? If you are under the impression that you are more learned or scholarly then Dr. William Campbell, a Christian scholar who recently debated Dr. Naik and was humiliatingly defeated, then clearly this is an egoistic thing for you.
Well, Dr. Naik can always dispel this “myth” and prove that he is not afraid. As for Dr. Campbell’s debate with him I think I should read that before believing a Muslim claiming victory. Muslims are thriumphalists and even when they have lost and have been humiliated they beat their chest and claim victory.
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I do not get angry by reading your reports and claims, rather I feel that you are needlessly acting to defame Dr. Naik.
Not so! Dr. Naik can come, defeat me, put me to shame and salvage his reputation at any time. There is also $50,000 dollars reward for him. These days we have over 9,000 visitors per day. This is a big number and it is growing fast. If he wins, the site will be shut down and all these people will not be “misled”. So if he really believed that he could win, with these incentives, do you really think that he would miss this change? Remember, we debated with hundreds of Muslims; some of them very prominent people much bigger than Dr. Naik, and no one has won yet. So if he wins this means a huge victory for him. If we win, it is not a big deal to us. He is just another Muslim and a statistic to us. He is a showman not a scholar.
This is now my third attempt to get you to respond to my emails. The following comes from Ali Sina's site. Do you have the courage to refute him? Your answer would be greatly appreciated.
Dear Ali Sina, I have been a regular visitor to your web site since 15 months from now and I feel that you are the real messenger sent by God to eradicate the cult "ISLAM". I am a Hindu from India and as you know India has been from a long time a victim of Islamic barbarism.
Sir, I agree with the articles on your web-site and I read them often. This led me to find and learn more about this cult and I read the Quran.
Sir, but one thing I want to bring to your attention is that from last 2 months I've been watching Q TV, an Islamic channel by "Islamic Research Foundation" founded by Dr. Zakir Naik and in particular I watch the lectures of Dr. Naik about Islam and its misconceptions. After watching them I feel that he is a great scholar like you are and his talks have weakened my thinking that Islam is a cult and threat to humanity. I am sure that Dr. Naik is a scholar but in about a wrong field i.e. Islam.
Sir, I request you to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik and prove him wrong since his talks have a great influence in Indian subcontinent which fuels the spread of Islam.
Sir, is there anything that I can do to help faithfreedom to fight Islam. If I can, I will feel that I have done some thing for humanity.
Bandish
Dear Bandish
I am not exaggerating if I say that I received the request to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik nearly 100 times. To each and every person who challenged me to debate with Dr. Naik I said I am ready to debate with him, please advise him I am ready and waiting for him. Some of them even wrote back and promise that they will let Dr. Naik know, but I never heard back neither from them nor from Dr. Naik.
This time I publish your request and once again announce I am ready to debate with this good Doctor. Please let him know.
I have also promised to remove this site if anyone can prove my claims against Muhammad and Islam are wrong. We will publish our discussions in this site and he is welcome to do the same in his site. Would you be kind enough to inform him of my readiness and then contact me and let me know what was his response? The following is the email address I copied from his site. Whoever is interested, please contact him and tell him I am ready for a debate. If he responds or he does not, let me know. If many people contact him, he may agree to debate. If he declines then you make your own mind. http://www.faithfreedom.org/comments.htm
Invitation for Dr Zakir Naik
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:59:50 -0800 (PST)
From: "MUNIR QASIM" <mmunir_qasim@yahoo.com>
Subject: A CHALLENGE
To: zakir@irf.net
Respected Dr Zakir Naik sahib
Assalam-o-alykum Wa rehmatullah hay wabarakatuhu.
I am Alhamodlillah a Muslim and feel proud to be a Muslim (a fundamental Muslim). I ve arranged and listened nearly all talks available in Pakistan in CD and Video Cassettes. I believe the alhamdo lillah no one can prove the islam wrong in life of Zakir Bhai.
Today when I was using net I came across a web site http://www.faithfreedom.org
This web is against Quran, our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam. I am copying a page of this web, which is self explanatory.
From:
"kent steel" <elfangor1@hotmail.com>
To:
zakir@irf.net
Subject:
U are needed, a challenge
Date:
Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:51:32 +1100
assalam
brother Naik,my name is Nafees Khan and i am sure a few people may have informed you of a website
www.faithfreedom.org
The man behind the website is Ali Sina
He has written articles and has gathered numerous other articles about Islam, The prophet (PBUH) and the quran. This website is against Islam, period. If you simply browse through it's forums, u will see what kind of an effect it is having on people.
Ali Sina is willing to shut down the website if he is proven wrong.
Here is the link to the list of allegations he has put forward.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
He has stated in his forums that he is ready to debate you.
Dr Naik, i know that you are a very busy person, but this man has been spreading many false accusations against the Prophet and against Islam. As muslims i am sure we cannot allow this. that is why i am urgently reqesting of you to debate him, disprove his allegations, and his website can be shutdown before he spreads the wrong image of islam to more people.
Insha allah.
I have attempted to disprove a few allegations yet i do not have suffiecient knowledge of Islam, it history etc.., to properly disprove the statements.
It is also worthy to mention that Mr Sina appears to have very deep knowledge of Islam.
Mr Sina's email is faithfreedom2 at gmail.com
I hope to hear from you and pray that Allah helps you to guide people to the right path.
Assalam-u-alaikum
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:36:40 +0530
To: "MUNIR QASIM" <mmunir_qasim@yahoo.com>
From: "zakir" <zakir@irf.net>
Subject: Re:
Dear Brother Munir Qasim,
As-Salaamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu.
I pray to Allah (swt) for your health, happiness and vigour in Islamic spirits. Aameen.
Jazakallah and thanks for your email dated 10th December 2004. We are hearing about Ali Sina for the first time. There are several such Non-Muslims who would love to debate Dr. Zakir Naik for gaining popularity.
Dr. Zakir Naik prefers a public debate rather than a debate on email which can continue for months and years together for which Dr. Zakir Naik has no time.
Dr. Zakir Naik would not mind debating Non-Muslims as long as he has a standing in the society and has a large following. If any Non-Muslim who can attract atleast ten thousand audience for his individual public talk Dr. Zakir Naik would not mind debating him. Other wise the person is not worth wasting time and neither would we like to make him popular.
Please let me know whether this Mr. Ali Sina has a large following and is worth debating. If he cannot attract ten thousand audience on his own let him give his so called research on Islam to any Non-Muslim religious speaker who can attract ten thousand or more audience and Dr. Zakir Naik would love to debate such a person.
Mr. Ali Sina is welcome to pose this challenge on his website.
May Allah (swt) shower His Choicest Blessings on the entire Muslim Ummah and help us in our mission of bearing witness to the truth of Islam before all mankind. Aameen
With warm regards and salaams from all of us at IRF. Jazakallahu Khairan was Salaam,
Yours in the Service of Islam,
MAQBOOL BARWELKAR
Public Relation Manager
Hi Mr Sina
I passed on your challange to Dr Zakir Naik.Attached is his reply for your information.Looking forward for your comments.
M M Qasim
Dear Munir Qasim
Please advise Mr. Zakir Naik that my site attracts over 140,000 visitors each month and growing. According to Alexa.com faithfreedom.org is at least 12 times more popular than his site. Maybe this will deflate his condescending pomposity. So if the statistics are of any indication, it is he who will rise is stature by debating with me and not the other way round.
You may also want to tell him that I have had debates with more important personalities than him such as Grand Ayatollah Montazeri and others, These debates are posted in the debates page of my site. Not a single person has won the debates with me, not because I am a highly skilled debater, but because I debate from the position of strength. It is easy to win when you speak the truth and your opponent does not.
You may also tell Dr. Naik that as of 2005 I am offering $50,000 U.S. dollars of my own money to anyone who can refute my charges against Muhammad and prove that he is a prophet of God.
Please remind Dr. Naik once again that the reason I published this invitation is because during the course of three or four years I received scores of emails from his fans daring me to debate with him. I am confident that Dr. Naik is an intelligent man and will not fall into this trap. Obviously his fans are more confident about his ability than he is about himself. He would say anything and would propose unreasonable conditions such as televised meeting with 10,000 audience to avoid debating with me. Dr. Naik, most likely, has read already some of my debates with other contenders and knows this is the kind of rough-water he can't navigate! He has made a reputation for himself and I perfectly understand his instinct to not want to jeopardize it. However, after being dared so many times by his fans and telling them "I am ready, invite your good doctor", I felt it is important that I publish this to show the Muslims that I am not the one who is shunning the debate and stop them from constantly challenging me. I am ready at any time to engage in a written debate with anyone.
Dr. Naik says he never heard of me. Am I supposed to think that all these people who wrote to me and challenged me to debate with him and I agreed never contacted him?
As for face to face debate in front of camera or in public places, I consider it theatrics and have no desire for that. It is time consuming, expensive and what can you say in just two hours? Or, actually one, because half of the time is allotted to your opponent. This kind of format suits Muslims who prefer histrionics and claptraps to substance. A gathering with 10,000 audience may satisfy the narcissistic craving for grandiosity of some individuals but I personally am not on any ego trip and my debates are not intended for my self aggrandizement. All I can say is that over 10,000 people visit my site in just two days. None of them are my "followings". They are independent and freethinkers, not sheep to follow someone else. If really audience is what Dr. Naik wants he can get plenty of the good ones here. But I suspect that is not the kind of audience he likes. He prefers those who do not think and do not understand but applaud him for his showmanship.
Also my doctors have advised me to stay away from any public and televised meetings. They say with my condition, a public meeting with Muslims is extremely dangerous for my health.
Dear Mr Sina
Attached is reply from Public Relation Manager of Dr Zakir Naik. I personally feel that it will be great to see two scholars debating face to face in front of public. Debate on internet seems to be an unconventional way of debating. This is final mail from his side. Now ball is in your court. Let see how u handle it.
Good luck
M Munir Qasim
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:55:50 +0530
To: "MUNIR QASIM" <mmunir_qasim@yahoo.com>
From: "Islamic Research Foundation" <islam@irf.net>
Subject: Re: Personal for Dr Zakir Naik Sahib
Please inform Ali Sina that his research on Internet is very poor. The website Dr.ZakirNaik.com does not belong to Dr. Zakir Naik. It is one of his fan / well wisher who is hosting the site. The official website of Dr. Zakir is www.irf.net.
Okay, I checked the ranking of this site and see it is five time less popular than faithfreedom.org. The point is that the excuse of Dr. Naik for not debating with less famed people than himself is not a valid one.
Dr. Zakir Naik has not debated anyone on the Internet and does not intend to. As mentioned earlier it may continue for months together and each one claiming that he is right and the person who has more time like Ali Sina can keep on replying and claims he is more correct.
Of course Dr. Naik is more comfortable with flashy live conferences where he can charm his audience with some claptrap without substance. But my objective is to prove Islam is false and for that we need to make a thorough study of the Quran and the character of Muhammad. This certainly can’t be done in a public conference and in a couple of hours.
Dr. Zakir Naik believes in having public debates and letting the audience be the judge. Alhamdulillah Ali Sina has declined for a face to face debate in front of a camera on public place even though Dr. Zakir Naik does not consider him worth debating.
I am sure people can see that Dr. Naik uses haughtiness and pomposity as a shield to protect his image. He is more aware than his fans of his limitations. Every day Muslims are writing to declare they have left Islam because of the information they got in this site. If Dr. Naik truly cared about Islam and the truth he would have come to the defense of his faith even if he thinks I am not worthy of his super inflated, ego loaded stature.
Please convey to Ali Sina that there are hundreds of thousands of website in the world and there are several thousands of website claiming to attract lakhs of visitors every month.
Maybe Dr. Naik should take a look at this page and learn how to differentiate "claims" from statistics. http://www.faithfreedom.org/webstats/ How much traffic he gets?
Website and internet have its own audience but is nowhere compared to satellite channels. Please inform Ali Sina that Dr. Zakir Naik appears on six International satellite channels daily for half an hour to two hours reaching more than 150 countries including Europe, Africa, Asia and Middle East . He also appears on several other International TV Channels regularly.
Please inform Dr. Naik that it is easy to fool and charm the uneducated people by flashy television shows. I have been challenged by several of his fans who think he can save Islam to debate with him. I have done my job by declaring my readiness to debate with anyone including this Dr. Naik. If he had anything more lethal than showmanship in his arsenal he would not disappoint his fans. Furthermore, as a Muslim he can show his face on TV and not to worry about being assassinated. This is a luxury we the apostates can’t afford.
Alhamdulillah daily millions of people are watching Dr. Zakir Naik. Compared to Ali Sina’s 140,000 (i.e. less than 5000 daily per day) visitors every month, he is no consideration. There are hundreds of such Ali Sina who have requested Dr. Zakir Naik to debate with him to gain popularity.
There is a substantial difference between those who watch television shows and those who read the Internet. These are two different kinds of audiences. The TV watchers are generally less educated thrill seeking masses who watch TV for entertainment. Dr. Naik surely can impress this group. This is very convenient medium since his audience is not able to question him. Those who search the Internet are often educated people who are capable of critical thought, who can't be easily swayed by flashy programs and who demand proof. Yes we know Dr. Naik is a good showman and he has charmed the gullible, but can he impress the thinking people too?
Further more his arguments are so feeble it is not worth answering. If Ali Sina considers himself to be worth debating Dr. Zakir Naik, can’t he organise one talk and gather ten thousand people to listen to him.
This is the kind of argument that can receive applause from the ignorant masses. But certainly the thinking elite can see through evasive maneuvers and recognize the real intentions.
Ali Sina claims that not one out of the 1.2 billion Muslims accepts his challenge. As mentioned earlier he not worth debating, but can’t he convince one out of 4.8 billion Non-Muslims, thousands out of which have a capacity to gather ten thousand audiences for their talk, to use his material against Dr. Zakir Naik in a public debate.
Public debate for me is tantamount to death sentence. We are talking about Islam which is a cult of terror. Would I not be called a fool to put my life in danger when assassination of the opponents is the ONLY argument Muslims have? How Muhammad responded to his critiques and opponents? Didn’t he assassinate them? A public meeting would is absurd. Why my face should make any difference? Can’t he refute my claims against Islam in a scholarly way?
Just to show you the insincerity of Dr. Naik let us compare the efficacy of a face-to-face conference and a written debate.
In a face-to-face conference, especially attended by 10,000 people the cost is exorbitant. You need to hire a big hall, actually a stadium, advertise, have a committee of organizers to prepare the event then travel half a world to attend this conference. This could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, depending where the conference is held. How much you can say then in such an event? In a talk that lasts one hour, provided it is not interrupted, you can say barely 3000 words. How many hours you can talk? I can sit in my home and write a well researched and documented article of 7,000 words in one day. A good debate on Islam can be 150,000 words.
If really Dr. Naik was interested to discuss the issues, the written debate is the way to go. But of course he is not. The importance of these exchanges is to show his fans that he is not a scholar and he can’t respond to any of my charges. All he knows is what he has memorized to impress his credulous and unscholarly audience. I can smash all those arguments in one session.
I am sure none of these intelligent people will use his material because they know that it will not help them to stand a chance against the truth of Islam that Dr. Zakir Naik presents.
Boasting is free. I am ready to dispute the “truth” presented by Dr. Naik even if his highness does not think I am worth debating. I invite anyone of his fans to send me the most convincing arguments presented by this gentleman and I will refute them and post them in my site.
These exchanges show that Dr. Naik is not willing to jeopardize his position and he is not going to debate. In order to show you he is a fraud, no better than the infamous Jimmy Swagart and not a scholar, please send me his arguments and see how I dismantle them. Let his highness stay in his clouds of grandiosity. We do not need him at all. All we need are his arguments.
(see my refutation of all Dr. Naiks claims here)
As far as his offer of US$ 50,000 for a person who wins a debate may attract people of the calibre like Ali Sina not that of Dr. Zakir Naik. If Ali Sina is willing to give one million dollar donation to any charitable organisation of my choice then may be I can try and convince Dr. Zakir Naik to debate him. Ali Sina boasts of 140,000 visitors visiting his website and he claims to have guided many of them. Even if 75% of these visitors have faith in him and can risk ten dollars each he can easily collect one million dollars. If so many people have faith in Ali Sina to risk ten dollars each then to he will be worth debating.
I think, people can recognize hypocrisy when they see it and these desperate attempts to avoid confronting me are not going to help much. I have no desire to debate with Zakir Naik because I have not even seen any article written by him. I am not familiar with his intellectual capacity and his scholarship. All I know is that he has managed to fool a good number of people giving them the impression that he is a scholar on Islam. Well, I think by now his fans should be convinced that their hero is just a paper tiger.
Please let me make it clear that this one million dollar is my suggestion, which may or may not convince Dr. Zakir Naik. But if Ali Sina is prepared then I will try my level best to convince Dr. Zakir Naik to have a live public debate with Ali Sina in front of cameras and not on the Internet.
Let this gentleman know that if he really cared about saving the honor of Islam, he would have accepted the challenge two or three years ago when his first fan pleaded with him to refute me. Since then I have reached to at least three or four more million people and have let them know the truth of Islam. I always said if any person can prove me wrong I would remove this site. Had he had the interest of Islam in heart, he would have come forth on his own. Dr. Naik is running a lucrative business and his business depends on his reputation and Muslims' gullibility. He is after fame and money. He does not care about Islam or truth. The likes of him have infested all the religions since the dawn of time.
As a policy we do not waste our time on such material on Internet. I am sure Ali Sina will have some reply to this letter, which will not be replied unless he is willing to arrange a public debate of a person who can gather ten thousand people for his talk or willing to donate 1 million dollar to a charity organisation of my choice if he looses a public debate with Dr. Zakir Naik.
May Allah (swt) bless and guide all of us and give us the strength and courage to bear witness to the Truth of Islam before all mankind. Aameen.
With warm regards and salaams from all of us at IRF. Jazakallahu Khairan was Salaam,
Yours in the Service of Islam,
Well, I think this speaks for itself. The insincerity of this man is obvious to any reasonable person.
Whether Dr. Naik is afraid to confront me or his gigantic ego does not let him, is not the point. The point is that so far no Muslim has answered these very old questions. They typically dismiss them and pretend to not willing to dignify the enquirer for he is too dumb to understand and that Allah has put a seal on his heart. So with these excuses they wash their hands and avoid the questions altogether. But ask them to assassinate the person who criticizes Islam and you'll find millions of volunteers.
Do you really want to remain a Muslim? Isn't it clear that Islam is nothing but a huge lie?
See a similar case here.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:02:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: "aman sharief" <amanannie_friendsforever@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: challenge
ali sina,
i respect u not because u sd all wrong abt islam but because ur well verse with the text of quran,now the point is no translation of the holy quran is 100% correct and ur translations are not even 50%correct.well as far debate with dr zakir naik is concerned u'll never gonna surpass him,well i know answers for most of ur allegations but i am not a great scolar like dr zakir naik to answer u with the quranic references,but still u do one thing u come straight to the office of dr naik in mumbai and challenge him for a debate,or else u publish a big front page article to challenge dr zakir abdul karim naik.and i challenge u to convert me to athiesm and i'll guarantee u never in ur whole life will be able to do so,do u know y?'coz islam is the best and only way of life.well i demand a reply from u,jazakallah khair,allah hafiz, and assa lamalikum wr wb
well dont get stubborn that i've greted u with an islamic greetin,but my religion asks me to even greet a non muslim with a salam that is what called islam.long live islam.
Dr. Naik is already challenged by nearly a hundred of his fans to debate with me and he has refused. I have also written to him an open letter and have challenged him. He has declined pretending superiority and hiding in his shell of haughtiness. However I agree with you that I will never be able to convince his because Dr. Naik’s gigantic ego has blinded him. He runs a business and makes good money selling religion to gullible. He is not after the truth. He is a businessman and he is wise enough not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg by debating with me and ruining his reputation.
Dr. Naik is not a scholar. There are many Muslim scholars but this doctor is not one of them. He is a showman. He likes flashy presentations but nothing deep and scholarly.
As for going to Dr. Naik’s office to challenge him, you must be kidding. Muslims kill those who criticize Islam. Then what is the purpose of debating with him. He is not an important person. I only posted these letters here because people like you keep asking I should debate with him. I want them to see it is he who has no guts to do such thing. I am always ready.
From: "joe cambria" <joecambria@optusnet.com.au>
To: info@drzakirnaik.com
Subject: re Debate with Sina
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:58:23 +1100
Dear Sir:
I am just an interested party possessing only a basic knowledge of Islam. My basic knowledge has led me to believe that Islam kills people, usually innocent civilians like some of my friends who were working in the WTC when those monsters ran the planes into the buildings.
This debate that Sina is requesting is not just a debate that would satisfy one man. It would also help a lot of us in Western countries understand that Islam is really a religion of peace and not just a barbaric relic dating back 1000 years, which was conceived by a murdering, child molesting thug who was using the pretext of religion to rape, pillage and enrich himself.
The debate would also clarify for us Westerners who understand and are forever grateful that we live in a part of the world that is enlightened, modern and caring about our fellow man. It is also a part of the world that doesn't celebrate some dumb, useless Islamic thug going into a pizza parlor and exploding nails into teenagers’ bodies, who hopes to die, go to heaven and pick up 72 virgins and romp around in bed with them.
The debate would also help a lot of us in the west understand there may be a good reason why a poor defenseless woman is thrown into a hole exposing the top half of her body while a murderous uneducated rabble who are unable to find even the most menial job because of a stupid government throw rocks at her head until she is dead.
It will also help some of us in the West understand why a 14 year old boy is lashed d to death because he ate something while he was hungry.
The debate would also help clarify why nearly all Islamic countries are so poor that they can't feed their own people and those that are wealthy are so because they happen to have oil deposits under the ground- an accident of nature.
It will help us understand why Muslims don't seem to be able to assimulate themselves in countries of the modern world but live in ghettos infested with extremism and hatred for the very people that send out a monthly unemployment check.
Your superstar debater could also explain why women are treated like slaves and have virtually no rights in Muslim law.
These of course are all little things which I am sure your superstar debater will be able to demolish in a few minutes by debating Mr. Sina over the web.
Kind Regards
Thank you Joe,
I read a few pages of Zakir Niak's page. He is not a scholar of Islam by any means. He is just a showman. Nonetheless, he has managed to impress a lot of poor Muslims who think he is capable to answer me. These invitations and his refusal should suffice to open the eyes of at least some of his fans.
The Genie
January 11th, 2008, 04:57 PM
dude your amazing.. im ready to ditch islam!
who are you trying to kid?!
who do you think listening to your shit
your twisting text to prove a point
that you clearly spent a long time trying to convince
yourself that your infact not mad and that your
points are justified!
you need some profesional help
ok so you tried to contact Dr. Naik he isnt someone
whos got as much time as you dude..
look islam is a peaceful religion the majority of
muslims that people come across are some of the
most loving and caring characters you'll find and
all your doing is showing the people viewing this thread that your one insecure guy with far too much time on your hands
write a book you might make a few hundred
just stop being a waste!!
Intel-Inside
January 11th, 2008, 04:59 PM
All false quotings, none of your quote is from any authentic Hadees book or an authentic verse from Quran. Zakir Naik can pwn your gut any time.
Mr_Guy
January 11th, 2008, 05:08 PM
dude justs hut the fuck up and die already ur just wasting time,n every 1 else, just stop givin him da attention his an ignorant disturbed pedophile :D
nex_man
January 11th, 2008, 05:22 PM
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544596
(http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544596)
When Islam was reveled to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves.
In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.
Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-a-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand possess” or “ma malakat aymanukum”; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves.
Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims.
But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free.
Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.
In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.
But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.
Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago.
As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.” (An-Nisaa’: 25)
This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves.
In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war.”
You can also read:
Islam and Slavery (http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/display.asp?hFatwaID=20686)
jumpn jza
January 11th, 2008, 07:16 PM
All false quotings, none of your quote is from any authentic Hadees book or an authentic verse from Quran. Zakir Naik can pwn your gut any time.
Zakir Naik said that apostacy is tantamount to "treason". That was his justification for imposing the death sentence on muslim apostates...i disagree with him on that one.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:17 PM
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544596
(http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544596)
When Islam was reveled to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves.
In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.
Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-a-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand possess” or “ma malakat aymanukum”; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves.
Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims.
But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free.
Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.
In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.
But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.
Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago.
As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.” (An-Nisaa’: 25)
This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves.
In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war.”
You can also read:
Islam and Slavery (http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/display.asp?hFatwaID=20686)
Rubbish. Muslims stilll to this day have slaves. In fact it took action from the West in the 1960's to abolish slavery.
Sex with slaves is wrong and will always be wrong. Your demented prophet enjoyed slaves of his own. Hardly seems like he was trying to eradicate it. He loved sex with slaves. Having 11-12 wives was not enough. Then he had to get slaves to bang.
If Mohammad was trying to eradicate slavery then why did he have slaves of his own. And on top of this he had sex with them. This is rape and nothing other than rape.
How can a prophet not ban slave and yet a mere Iranian mortal named Cyrus the Great declared the worlds first declaration of human rights where he banned slaves. And he did this before Mohammad.
Mohammad loved pussy and we all know it. He loved pussy man. Whether he got it legally or illegally (slavery).
By not banning slavery and actually practicing slavery himself Mohammad entrenched slavery for all time until the West stopped it in 1960's.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:18 PM
dude justs hut the fuck up and die already ur just wasting time,n every 1 else, just stop givin him da attention his an ignorant disturbed pedophile :D
Disturbed Paedophile. I think you might be referring to Mohammad. Same species but different man.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:20 PM
dude your amazing.. im ready to ditch islam!
who are you trying to kid?!
who do you think listening to your shit
your twisting text to prove a point
that you clearly spent a long time trying to convince
yourself that your infact not mad and that your
points are justified!
you need some profesional help
ok so you tried to contact Dr. Naik he isnt someone
whos got as much time as you dude..
look islam is a peaceful religion the majority of
muslims that people come across are some of the
most loving and caring characters you'll find and
all your doing is showing the people viewing this thread that your one insecure guy with far too much time on your hands
write a book you might make a few hundred
just stop being a waste!!
Worried about the majority of muslims. We are only worried about them because they produce a lot of babies. And when they becaome a majority then they start oppressing non-muslims.
In which country are not minority non-muslim not oppressed in. Can you name me one. They all have to live submissively inj majority muslim nations.
iamyournightmare
January 11th, 2008, 07:24 PM
All false quotings, none of your quote is from any authentic Hadees book or an authentic verse from Quran. Zakir Naik can pwn your gut any time.
They are from Authentic Hadiths.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/
collection of the ahadith in Sahih Bukhari
A collection of the ahadith in Sahih Muslim
A partial collection of the ahadith in Sunan Abu-Dawud
A collection of the ahadith in Malik's Muwatta
BadFingerBoogie
January 11th, 2008, 07:24 PM
Rubbish. Muslims stilll to this day have slaves. In fact it took action from the West in the 1960's to abolish slavery.
Sex with slaves is wrong and will always be wrong. Your demented prophet enjoyed slaves of his own. Hardly seems like he was trying to eradicate it. He loved sex with slaves. Having 11-12 wives was not enough. Then he had to get slaves to bang.
If Mohammad was trying to eradicate slavery then why did he have slaves of his own. And on top of this he had sex with them. This is rape and nothing other than rape.
How can a prophet not ban slave and yet a mere Iranian mortal named Cyrus the Great declared the worlds first declaration of human rights where he banned slaves. And he did this before Mohammad.
Mohammad loved pussy and we all know it. He loved pussy man. Whether he got it legally or illegally (slavery).
quoted for future banning.
Logical_Uzi
January 11th, 2008, 07:32 PM
iamyournightmare; welcome desktop warrior. Why on earth out of all the sites to start a religious debate you come to RateDesi.com with your copy and paste job?
No one has seen Ali Sina in any "Live Debate". He's not even a qualified scholar or any field for that matter. He just bitches from a computer screen.
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