Hindus (The Trouble makers these days)

[kaisar2]

Malaysia bans Indian recruitment

Many thousands of people from South Asia work in Malaysia
Malaysia has suspended the recruitment of workers from India amid rising domestic tensions.
A government official said the decision might be linked to the actions of a group that led protests complaining of discrimination against ethnic Indians.

But the official did not say why the decision had been made, nor how long the restrictions would last.

The ban will affect thousands of manual labourers as well as professionals, including religious workers.

There are currently about 140,000 legal workers from India in Malaysia.

"The government decided it is enough, and we don't want to recruit any more," Malaysian Works Minister S Samy Vellu told Reuters new agency, while at a conference in Delhi.

The Indian High Commission in Kuala Lumpur told the Associated Press it had contacted the relevant authorities but did not give any further details.

'Unprecedented'

The move to freeze visas for all workers from the two countries was taken three weeks ago, the government said.

But Tuesday's announcement took many people by surprise.

A Vaithilingam, president of a Malaysian inter-faith group, said that the decision came without dialogue and was "unprecedented".




Lingering ethnic divide

The BBC's correspondent in Kuala Lumpur, Robin Brant, said it was a significant diplomatic move by the Malaysia government.

A Home Ministry official told the BBC that the decision "may be linked to Hindraf", the Hindu activists group which organised recent rallies by Malaysian ethnic Indians.

Thousands of ethnic Indians took to the streets late last year in protest against perceived social and economic discrimination by the Malay-Muslim majority.

The announcement came on the final day of a visit to Malaysia by Indian Defence Minister AK Antony.

Malaysian Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said Mr Antony "did not raise the issue of ethnic Indians in Malaysia," reported the French news agency AFP.

An unnamed Indian professional told Reuters that the Malaysian government should not have taken such a drastic step.

"They should recognise the contribution made by Indian workers and professionals in the economic growth of the country," he said.

Our correspondent said that tensions are high with a general election expected to take place early this year.

Many people fear a repeat of the racial violence which has broken out in the past. lol :no:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7176323.stm

[PRCIV]

Taking a cue from our Muslim brothers. :cool:

[kaisar2]

Taking a cue from our Muslim brothers. :cool:yeah, i would love to see it working everywhere else outside India.

[PRCIV]

yeah, i would love to see it working everywhere else outside India.

Yea, when they start blowing up stuff or actually killing innocent civilians, be sure to let us know :D

[kaisar2]

Yea, when they start blowing up stuff or actually killing innocent civilians, be sure to let us know :Doh they arent known for someone who can fight back. Best move would be crossing the exit door.

[Cunard]

oh they arent known for someone who can fight back. Best move would be crossing the exit door.

defeated your pakistan 4 times :dunno:

[Intel-Inside]

defeated your pakistan 4 times :dunno:
A myth your media has imposed on you.

[_A-s-H-i_]

meh>?

[Upsidedowndesi]

A myth your media has imposed on you.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: i guess they don't teach history in pakistan. Or skip the war years.....so kids in 1970....then 1972. Hold up what i am i saying...i forgot this thier book in schools there:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/45/164145875_7fe047a028.jpg?v=0

[PRCIV]

A myth your media has imposed on you.

^^Denial is a bitch

[Gimmeck]

Well Indians are being discriminated against, its a fact. While I was out there I had a conversation with a person who was of Chinese decent. He said that Indians aren't being treated fairly.

Can't blame them for protesting.

[vsaigal]

all these illegal indians in malaysia come from tamil nadu, kerala, andrha and karnataka states.

[Irreligious Left]

They seem to be protesting and assembling peacefully per their rights, not blowing shit up. Good for them, I suppose.

[vsaigal]

They seem to be protesting and assembling peacefully per their rights, not blowing shit up. Good for them, I suppose. :mad:
the goverement infiltrated and imployed thugs(indian) and they fucked it up. :no:

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

A myth your media has imposed on you.
Lay off the horse drugs, son.

[RacingSoul]

Yea, when they start blowing up stuff or actually killing innocent civilians, be sure to let us know :D

lmao..the only civilians hindus would ever kill is the muslims.

[RacingSoul]

A myth your media has imposed on you.

a false belief YOUR media has imposed on u.

[kaisar2]

hey everyone! whats Pakistan has to do with Hindus living in Malaysia? that news was on BBC, a British entity.

[RacingSoul]

hey everyone! whats Pakistan has to do with Hindus living in Malaysia? that news was on BBC, a British entity.

nothing...there just cant be any indian flaming without bringing up pakistan and vice versa.

[kaisar2]

nothing...there just cant be any indian flaming without bringing up pakistan and vice versa.No one was flaming until PRCIV came up with a anti muslim comment.

Infact its a sad story to read on our part, being desis.

[RacingSoul]

No one was flaming until PRCIV came up with a anti muslim comment.

Infact its a sad story to read on our part, being desis.

shit happens.

let's eat roti.

[lil_sexy]

oMg :arrow:

[SillyKitty]

lol :no:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7176323.stm


What THEY need to do.. is recruit some Bangladeshi workers.

I bet its cuz of the Indians, not many bangalis were recruited there.. hopefully this is a good news for the bengalis..

Cuz they dont really care if they are being racially discriminated lol
they just want the money so they can send it to their poor families..

plus it seems like its the religion that is the main problem here, and bangladeshis are muslims (80%)



Do u know anything about that?(about the bangladeshi recruits)

[kaisar2]

shit happens.

let's eat roti.i would love to have it with punjabi style daal.

[kaisar2]

What THEY need to do.. is recruit some Bangladeshi workers.

I bet its cuz of the Indians, not many bangalis were recruited there.. hopefully this is a good news for the bengalis..

Cuz they dont really care if they are being racially discriminated lol
they just want the money so they can send it to their poor families..



Do u know anything about that?(about the bangladeshi recruits)why is everyone here taking it out on Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis?

Its MALAYSIAN govt against Hindu workers. I would have felt same as bad if there were Hindus discriminated out for work here from Pakistan.

Yes there are Hindus in Pakistan, mostly in Sindh Province.

[SillyKitty]

why is everyone here taking it out on Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis?

Its MALAYSIAN govt against Hindu workers. I would have felt same as bad if there were Hindus discriminated out for work here from Pakistan.

Yes there are Hindus in Pakistan, mostly in Sindh Province.
ok.. so its only the hindus they are takin it against? Or also the people who look like hindus, that includes Pakistanis and bangladeshis (too)?



but do u know anything about their recruitment policy for bangladesh? i hope it increases.. because when i went to bangladesh in 2006 it was crazy to see thousands of people in cue for the recruitment in malaysia

[sameer]

hmm a racist move against hindus by a muslim government...

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

ok.. so its only the hindus they are takin it against? Or also the people who look like hindus, that includes Pakistanis and bangladeshis (too)?



but do u know anything about their recruitment policy for bangladesh? i hope it increases.. because when i went to bangladesh in 2006 it was crazy to see thousands of people in cue for the recruitment in malaysia
I think it's only indian hindus since malaysia has kept its relations well with the other muslim countries and it doesnt mention in the article that it stopped giving visas to pakis and bengalis

[SillyKitty]

I think it's only indian hindus since malaysia has kept its relations well with the other muslim countries and it doesnt mention in the article that it stopped giving visas to pakis and bengalis
OK i am prayin for it..cuz, Bangladesh is one of the (if not the densest)country in the world.. with the highest(one of the)rate of unemployment.. plus, with the recent hurricane incident.

i want malaysia to recruit bangladeshis.. do u know how can i help in this case? like write a letter or petition..

[kaisar2]

hmm a racist move against hindus by a muslim government...nope! not racist, they had reasons to ban the visas. Read the article again

[kaisar2]

OK i am prayin for it..cuz, Bangladesh is one of the (if not the densest)country in the world.. with the highest(one of the)rate of unemployment.. plus, with the recent hurricane incident.

i want malaysia to recruit bangladeshis.. do u know how can i help in this case? like write a letter or petition..what are you on about? flooded again?:ugh:

[SillyKitty]

what are you on about? flooded again?:ugh:
what? i am talkin about Hurricane Sidr.

its horrible down there in bangladesh now

[kaisar2]

what? i am talkin about Hurricane Sidr.

its horrible down there in bangladesh nowits always horrible down there whether its India, Pakistan or Bangladesh one way or the other.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

OK i am prayin for it..cuz, Bangladesh is one of the (if not the densest)country in the world.. with the highest(one of the)rate of unemployment.. plus, with the recent hurricane incident.

i want malaysia to recruit bangladeshis.. do u know how can i help in this case? like write a letter or petition..
lol silly kitty u r so cute.Well i think a petition would be a good idea,u could give it to the malaysian embassy in US.As for malaysians recruiting Bangladeshis i will say don't worry about it.Pakis and Bengalis are muslim countries and malaysians have always had good ties with them.They will still be recruiting bengalis for their manpower.I have seen a lot of bengladeshis working in ME and are still recruited by the rich oil countries .So i don't think u need to stress over the issue.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

its always horrible down there whether its India, Pakistan or Bangladesh one way or the other.
dude u just don't get,she is talking about the hurricane that came last year.It took thousands of lives and created a havoc in bangladesh.

[Upsidedowndesi]

oh nooos hindus are doomed....everyone keep trying.

[kaisar2]

dude u just don't get,she is talking about the hurricane that came last year.It took thousands of lives and created a havoc in bangladesh.i know what she is saying but her posts are infact deviating the focus of the readers from the international humiliation India has to face cause of all that. which imo is sad.

[sameer]

nope! not racist, they had reasons to ban the visas. Read the article again
yes their reason was that hindus protested against unfair treatment. i did read that part.

so let me recap the story as i understand it:

a) muslim govt treats hindus unfairly
b) hindus protest against being treated unfarily by muslim govt
c) because hindus complained about being treated unfairly, muslim govt takes an even more unfair step: "how dare you hindus complain"

[SillyKitty]

lol silly kitty u r so cute.Well i think a petition would be a good idea,u could give it to the malaysian embassy in US.As for malaysians recruiting Bangladeshis i will say don't worry about it.Pakis and Bengalis are muslim countries and malaysians have always had good ties with them.They will still be recruiting bengalis for their manpower.I have seen a lot of bengladeshis working in ME and are still recruited by the rich oil countries .So i don't think u need to stress over the issue.

i know i am gonna try my best..
because they didnt really recruit much people from bangladesh, because already recruited a lot of indian's, so now, since it stopped, its the best time to strike with.

but i just dnt know how to go about it

[Upsidedowndesi]

i know what she is saying but her posts are infact deviating the focus of the readers from the international humiliation India has to face cause of all that. which imo is sad.

:rofl: :rofl:....should be example to rest of the middle east countries....protest not blow.

[SillyKitty]

i know what she is saying but her posts are infact deviating the focus of the readers from the international humiliation India has to face cause of all that. which imo is sad.
india isnt the fairest country though.

India has done a lot of things unfair, to humiliate other international countries... like it made a dam to block out water and that resulted famine in bangladesh, in the past..
and when the water was too much to handle they opened up the dam which resulted in floods in bangladesh.. how fucked up is that?

Plus it betrayed Iran.

[Upsidedowndesi]

india isnt the fairest country though.

India has done a lot of things unfair, to humiliate other international countries... like it made a dam to block out water and that resulted famine in bangladesh, in the past..
and when the water was too much to handle they opened up the dam which resulted in floods in bangladesh.. how fucked up is that?

Plus it betrayed Iran.
good edit...i am amazed how much you are ignoring the history and now saying India is fucked up? Who helped bangladesh?

[SillyKitty]

good edit...i am amazed how much you are ignoring the history and now saying India is fucked up? Who helped bangladesh?
and umm how many indian's were killed in that war in 1971?

ZERO

3 million Bengali's were killed..


the only reason india helped with the trainings etc is cuz of a personal vendetta against pakistan.. nothing else..


and the reason i editted is because, I dont want to start a fight

[SillyKitty]

Any ways just cuz india helped a lil in 1971 doesnt give it the right to fuck up bangladesh right NOW..

it doesnt own Bangladesh.
So they should destroy the Farakka dam,
cuz thats the reason bangladesh has famine and flood like every other year.

[vikownethu]

oh they arent known for someone who can fight back. Best move would be crossing the exit door.

Another wind-up merchant.

[PRCIV]

and umm how many indian's were killed in that war in 1971?

ZERO

3 million Bengali's were killed..


the only reason india helped with the trainings etc is cuz of a personal vendetta against pakistan.. nothing else..


and the reason i editted is because, I dont want to start a fight

4000 of our soldiers were killed you dumb bitch and 10,000 wounded. We also took in millions of your bhikari refugees. Your people were on the verge of extinction until we stepped in. Who killed those 3 million ? your beloved fellow Muslims did, NOT us.

[SillyKitty]

Any ways if any one can give me the information on how to contact the malaysian recruiters.. i would really appreciate it..

im gonna go for the day

[Upsidedowndesi]

and umm how many indian's were killed in that war in 1971?

ZERO

3 million Bengali's were killed..


the only reason india did that is cuz of a personal vendetta against pakistan.. nothing else..
I guess you are forgetting India didn't go war with East Pakistan, but fought with them against West Pakistan. It was a war like you said....and India crushed any and all resistance that came in way of your Bangladesh's liberation. It's not india's fault that Pakistan wasn't prepared to take the beating. Who you are calling 3 million bengalis were Pakistanis fighting against East Pakistan and India....and u know the result. It was also the civil war between west paki and east paki (before india stepped in) that claimed most of the lifes. First dig in history then point a finger.

[Upsidedowndesi]

Any ways if any one can give me the information on how to contact the malaysian recruiters.. i would really appreciate it..

im gonna go for the day
if you are smart enough to lecture us on it.... you should know where to look.

[SillyKitty]

4000 of our soldiers were killed you dumb bitch and 10,000 wounded. We also took in millions of your bhikari refugees. Your people were on the verge of extinction until we stepped in. Who killed those 3 million ? your beloved fellow Muslims did, NOT us.yea righttt.. those are false numbers.

shut the fuck up.. as i have said.. the reason u guys helped us (which is not much) cuz of ur hatred towards the pakistanis..

if u LOVEEEE us soo much why u fuckin up the country now? :rofl:
freakin hypocrites


any ways, thats the fact ^^

so bye

[kaisar2]

:rofl: :rofl:....should be example to rest of the middle east countries....protest not blow.indians dont have oil reserves to attract bloody wars imposed on them.

Watch the movie Syriana (American Movie by American whites), does the justice to blow, not protest. Im not justifying my point through a movie its just it was very close to reality.

[SillyKitty]

I guess you are forgetting India didn't go war with East Pakistan, but fought with them against West Pakistan. It was a war like you said....and India crushed any and all resistance that came in way of your Bangladesh's liberation. It's not india's fault that Pakistan wasn't prepared to take the beating. Who you are calling 3 million bengalis were Pakistanis fighting against East Pakistan and India....and u know the result. It was also the civil war between west paki and east paki (before india stepped in) that claimed most of the lifes. First dig in history then point a finger.
ok and that gave you the right to destroy bangladesh now? :lol:

nice..



any ways, i am goin home now.

[Upsidedowndesi]

Any ways just cuz india helped a lil in 1971 doesnt give it the right to fuck up bangladesh right NOW..

it doesnt own Bangladesh.
So they should destroy the Farakka dam,
cuz thats the reason bangladesh has famine and flood like every other year.
damn rite it doesn't own bangladesh and i hope it never does. I am glad they are building high walls on the border of India and Bangladesh. Shit india has a mexican problems too. Hmmm isn't Farakka dam on indian territory? Then india has full right to utilize it any way they can. I am 100% sure most of the electricity is going to bangladesh. No Farakka dam = no light...back to lanterns.

[HU55AIN]

defeated your pakistan 4 times :dunno:
Well atleast Pakistan still exist, even though india has tried to destroy it. well ur sikh right? wt hapend to ur khalistan? oh yeh i remember it was crushed, and talking of blowing up things, well its da sri lankas tamils that started terrorism : ) thought id let u kno even tho its doesnt have much to do with this thread. :D

[Upsidedowndesi]

indians dont have oil reserves to attract bloody wars imposed on them.

Watch the movie Syriana (American Movie by American whites), does the justice to blow, not protest. Im not justifying my point through a movie its just it was very close to reality.
Lot of oil in afganistan huh? Yes india should follow idiots, instead of setting a example. World will be a awesome place if it was run according to movies that were very close to reality.

[paulie walnuts]

and umm how many indian's were killed in that war in 1971?

ZEROpipe down, you uninformed slut.

3,000+ indian warriors died defending the bengalis in 1971.

3 million Bengali's were killed..

the only reason india did that is cuz of a personal vendetta against pakistan.. nothing else..
and what? 3 million is a heckuva lot better than 30 million, so be thankful for that vendetta.

and then be thankful for all the tanks, warships, fighter jets, and the 600,000 armed soldiers that came to east pakistan's defense as a result.

slut.

[kaisar2]

Lot of oil in afganistan huh? strategic location to keep an eye on Iran and China i would say?

Yes india should follow idiots, instead of setting a example. World will be a awesome place if it was run according to movies that were very close to reality.It is reality one way or the other. Since everyone agrees, even Americans. anyway Fahrenheit 9/11 is a documentry, not a movie. try having a copy of it and you wont be disappointed.

btw indians that werent idiots just got banned in Malaysia, not Pakistani or Bangladeshis fault.

[Upsidedowndesi]

Well atleast Pakistan still exist, even though india has tried to destroy it. well ur sikh right? wt hapend to ur khalistan? oh yeh i remember it was crushed, and talking of blowing up things, well its da sri lankas tamils that started terrorism : ) thought id let u kno even tho its doesnt have much to do with this thread. :D
haha buddy do u even know results of some of those wars? India was standing in the middle of Lahore...while y'all were hidding under y'all beds. What do u know about Shiks? Go looke at some of the war pix or current armed forces pix...u'll know what i am talking about. First one to stand up and take a bullet for india and they will pwn Pakis any day and everyday. Trust me if india doesn't Pakistan...it won't be there. Reason in 99 and 01 all the nations stepped in to cool the situation down...they weren't worried about India....tick tick BOOM Paki where?

[kaisar2]

haha buddy do u even know results of some of those wars? India was standing in the middle of Lahore...while y'all were hidding under y'all beds. What do u know about Shiks? Go looke at some of the war pix or current armed forces pix...u'll know what i am talking about. First one to stand up and take a bullet for india and they will pwn Pakis any day and everyday. Trust me if india doesn't Pakistan...it won't be there. Reason in 99 and 01 all the nations stepped in to cool the situation down...they weren't worried about India....tick tick BOOM Paki where?hey cool down buddy. this thread is about banned indians in Malaysia.

[Upsidedowndesi]

strategic location to keep an eye on Iran and China i would say?

It is reality one way or the other. Since everyone agrees, even Americans. anyway Fahrenheit 9/11 is a documentry, not a movie. try having a copy of it and you wont be disappointed.

btw indians that werent idiots just got banned in Malaysia, not Pakistani or Bangladeshis fault.
Seen the movie....Politics is a coruppted thing....worldwide...U.S or India or Paki or Malaysia. All we are seeing is what they want us to see....i am sure someone digs in...we we'll know why indians (not HINDU) got banned.

[keyzersoze]

Kitty, stop being so silly. And everyone replying to her, just know she isn't the smartest debater in these parts. She is actually pretty blonde, so just ignore.

[Upsidedowndesi]

hey cool down buddy. this thread is about banned indians in Malaysia.
lol that is me cool....

[HU55AIN]

haha buddy do u even know results of some of those wars? India was standing in the middle of Lahore...while y'all were hidding under y'all beds. What do u know about Shiks? Go looke at some of the war pix or current armed forces pix...u'll know what i am talking about. First one to stand up and take a bullet for india and they will pwn Pakis any day and everyday. Trust me if india doesn't Pakistan...it won't be there. Reason in 99 and 01 all the nations stepped in to cool the situation down...they weren't worried about India....tick tick BOOM Paki where?
Well i must say Sikhs are good fighters didnt say they wasnt, gues u hindus send in the sikhs first, btw i know very well, there was not clear indian victory, u were standing in lahore dats cuz, pakis had snatched half of kashmir in front of ur faces :) ino ur patriotic an dat, but fact is fact india cannot defeat pakistan in war, u tried but failed. tick tick boom, is dat pakistani missiles hitting ur open cities :) u kno also have bombs and weaponary. In u were defeated in kargil, then went to uncle sam under pressure pakistan accpeted to step down. 2001, wt their was a stand off, so fuckn wt u put a million troops on da border an we put half a million, den we went home, wt were u guna do nuke us, hahahah, u shud never unestimate ur opponent my friend :)

[kaisar2]

Well i must say Sikhs are good fighters didnt say they wasnt, gues u hindus send in the sikhs first, btw i know very well, there was not clear indian victory, u were standing in lahore dats cuz, pakis had snatched half of kashmir in front of ur faces :) ino ur patriotic an dat, but fact is fact india cannot defeat pakistan in war, u tried but failed. tick tick boom, is dat pakistani missiles hitting ur open cities :) u kno also have bombs and weaponary. In u were defeated in kargil, then went to uncle sam under pressure pakistan accpeted to step down. 2001, wt their was a stand off, so fuckn wt u put a million troops on da border an we put half a million, den we went home, wt were u guna do nuke us, hahahah, u shud never unestimate ur opponent my friend :)hey you too, pakistani bro. keep your cool

[PRCIV]

Well i must say Sikhs are good fighters didnt say they wasnt, gues u hindus send in the sikhs first, btw i know very well, there was not clear indian victory, u were standing in lahore dats cuz, pakis had snatched half of kashmir in front of ur faces :) ino ur patriotic an dat, but fact is fact india cannot defeat pakistan in war, u tried but failed. tick tick boom, is dat pakistani missiles hitting ur open cities :) u kno also have bombs and weaponary. In u were defeated in kargil, then went to uncle sam under pressure pakistan accpeted to step down. 2001, wt their was a stand off, so fuckn wt u put a million troops on da border an we put half a million, den we went home, wt were u guna do nuke us, hahahah, u shud never unestimate ur opponent my friend :)

Lol. India has defeated Pakistan resoundingly in every war they've fought. In the 1971 war, we had 90,000 of your soldiers as POWs and we let them free as a gesture of reconciliation. We destroyed your army in under a fortnight ! We've humbled your army multiple times. What the fuck do they teach in Paki history books ??

[HU55AIN]

hey you too, pakistani bro. keep your cool
Its cool , i mean im having a normal conversation with him. :D

[kaisar2]

Lol. India has defeated Pakistan resoundingly in every war they've fought. In the 1971 war, we had 90,000 of your soldiers as POWs and we let them free as a gesture of reconciliation. We destroyed your army in under a fortnight ! We've humbled your army multiple times. What the fuck do they teach in Paki history books ??seriously, get over it now. what banned hindus in malaysia has to do with 1971 war?

[PRCIV]

seriously, get over it now. what banned hindus in malaysia has to do with 1971 war?

I never took this thread off-topic in the first place :ugh:

[HU55AIN]

Lol. India has defeated Pakistan resoundingly in every war they've fought. In the 1971 war, we had 90,000 of your soldiers as POWs and we let them free as a gesture of reconciliation. We destroyed your army in under a fortnight ! We've humbled your army multiple times. What the fuck do they teach in Paki history books ??
Actually ive never read any pakistani books on the wars, i live in Britain, so the sources are reliable my friend. Well, i think if 90,000 soldiers were in territory that was against them, completly surrounded, i think the odds would be agaist us, its like 90,000 indian soldliers in Ballochistan, theyd get slaughtered. Mayb its da indian books that are soo reliable in telling the truth. Well i guess it wud be a but like china defeating u sme princliple applies.

[HU55AIN]

i'd just like to say that, we shudnt discuss that in this thread?, were ruining mr Kaisar thread. Appolgies

[kaisar2]

I never took this thread off-topic in the first place :ugh:It was malaysian govt and hindu workers. Not musilms vs hindus, Malaysia is known for fast growing economy and internal peace that is kept to ensure foreign investors secure while thinking about investing. there must be a reason that took such drastic step.

its not some muslim hindu conflict.

anyway peace

[not-now]

I guess this is mainly because of them demolishing some hindu temples caused a bit of trouble between the hindu community and the malaysian authories.Malaysian government is quite strict so they probably took desperate measures I think it's wrong to ban them though .

[kaisar2]

I guess this is mainly because of them demolishing some hindu temples caused a bit of trouble between the hindu community and the malaysian authories.Malaysian government is quite strict so they probably took desperate measures I think it's wrong to ban them though .agreed.

Thanks God, someone is infact talking sense with facts.

[keyzersoze]

Well Kaiser2, the thread reads: Hindus (The Troblemakers these days). The thread title speaks volumes of your true intent.

[baliwala]

8tSo4IICBTY

[kaisar2]

Well Kaiser2, the thread reads: Hindus (The Troblemakers these days). The thread title speaks volumes of your true intent.My intention never made up to the Malaysian officials.

Anyway there is trouble that is growing in Malaysia by lots of Indian Hindus, and not my fault. i feel sorry for those workers.

[insainiti87]

8tSo4IICBTY

lol wtf?

[Cunard]

hmm a racist move against hindus by a muslim government...

I dont think its racist at all....many of these people coming over have no jobs and remain unemployed...and at the same time do fuck all to better themselves...no different than the north africans that migrate to France and than riot every other week

[Space-Cowboy]

oh they arent known for someone who can fight back. Best move would be crossing the exit door.


Not that I support racist/terrorist organizations like the Hindutva, but if you said that to the face of one of their members, your body would probably never be found.

[kucchnahi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7176323.stm

Thanks for the article. That said, I am not sure I like the title of the thread. I'm sure though you didn't mean anything; but it is better to avoid anything that can potentially offend other posters. :)

[Upsidedowndesi]

Well i must say Sikhs are good fighters didnt say they wasnt, gues u hindus send in the sikhs first, btw i know very well, there was not clear indian victory, u were standing in lahore dats cuz, pakis had snatched half of kashmir in front of ur faces :) ino ur patriotic an dat, but fact is fact india cannot defeat pakistan in war, u tried but failed. tick tick boom, is dat pakistani missiles hitting ur open cities :) u kno also have bombs and weaponary. In u were defeated in kargil, then went to uncle sam under pressure pakistan accpeted to step down. 2001, wt their was a stand off, so fuckn wt u put a million troops on da border an we put half a million, den we went home, wt were u guna do nuke us, hahahah, u shud never unestimate ur opponent my friend :)
dawg :rofl: :rofl: do u even wanna know how pakistan got half of kashmir? You really think pakistan beat india in a war to and won half of kashmir as a victory :rofl:? It was settled on tables with pen and paper not on the field. Or else results would have been the same. First go compare the paki and indian armed forces...compare the training they get...i am gonna let you educate yourself on this. No one went to Uncle Sam....it was pakistan who was showing off (being stupid) at that tense situation by testing their inaccurate nuke missile. India posted 1 mill troops because it has the capability to do so and still had plenty left. It i was U.S that came to India asking to calm down and india walked away from the discussion table...rejecting w/e U.S offered....then Nato/U.N stepped in to calm India down...that is when india backed off. Pakistan always thinks U.S will back them up against a war with India....so wrong they are. Remember Bush's last visit to pakistan. When Mr. Musharaf said, "may be Mr. Bush can help us on the Kashmir issues," and all Bush said was, "no comments." Now who's going to who for help? India started a nuclear defense program 2 years ago...so go ahead tick tick boom. When opponent is pakistan then we can estimate. First keep up with what's going around you then try to make a point next time. On this topic i can go all day all night.

Like someone said before...denial is a bitch. Y'all need to start facing the truth.

[Cunard]

Well i must say Sikhs are good fighters didnt say they wasnt, gues u hindus send in the sikhs first, btw i know very well, there was not clear indian victory, u were standing in lahore dats cuz, pakis had snatched half of kashmir in front of ur faces :) ino ur patriotic an dat, but fact is fact india cannot defeat pakistan in war, u tried but failed. tick tick boom, is dat pakistani missiles hitting ur open cities :) u kno also have bombs and weaponary. In u were defeated in kargil, then went to uncle sam under pressure pakistan accpeted to step down. 2001, wt their was a stand off, so fuckn wt u put a million troops on da border an we put half a million, den we went home, wt were u guna do nuke us, hahahah, u shud never unestimate ur opponent my friend :)

Pakistan got half of Kashmir by sending in tribal fighters under the cover of darkness....and when India retaliated, Pakistan ran to the UN begging for a peace deal...thus the LoC came into place

In 1965, Indian troops were walking in Lahore...and again Pakistan went crying to the UN

In 1971, Pakistan asked the americans for help...and the americans had even directed there pacific fleet to the bay of bengal..but decided to avoid a confrontation with India

in 1999 during the Kargil war.....again Pakistan sent in tribals back by the Pakistani Military during the winter months when no indian troop is in site.....the end result was the Indian Armies rataliation by pushing Pakistanis back over the border plus continuing to push forward another 35km's over the LoC.....and Pakistan again went crying to the UN and the United States...it was after this defeat again at the hands of the Indians that Musharref began pushing for power which finaly resulted in Sharif being exiled to Saudi Arabia

now fuck off

[CuriosListener]

Well atleast Pakistan still exist, even though india has tried to destroy it. well ur sikh right? wt hapend to ur khalistan? oh yeh i remember it was crushed, and talking of blowing up things, well its da sri lankas tamils that started terrorism : ) thought id let u kno even tho its doesnt have much to do with this thread. :D

Don't believe fairy tales about India's quest to destroy your country, these are large exaggerations that allow your government to waste its money and energy by comparing itself to India. Accept that India was not responsible for the 1971 partition; west pakistani policies were. And accept that Pakistan has been defeated militarily by India in the past.

Focus your energies on fixing your country's educational system; an inter-desi arms race hurts Pak's citizens even more than it hurts India's.

[paki_canadian20]

Any ways if any one can give me the information on how to contact the malaysian recruiters.. i would really appreciate it..

im gonna go for the day

I would say contact the malysian embassy in US,call them for more info or if there is a branch of the embassy in ur city then go and find out what u can do.

[kucchnahi]

For those discussing India and Pakistan wars and victories or lack thereof, let me be the first to inform you that nobody won the war.

And if you don't believe me, ask the mothers who lost their sons. Ask the wives who lost their husbands. Ask the children who lost their fathers. Ask the young who died in their youth.

Rivers of blood have blown; and instead of respecting those that honorably sacrificed their lives for their respective countries, I don't understand how anybody can stand and insult each other or the countries themselves.

I keep wanting to think that a future awaits us divorced from past sorrows and imbued with new hopes and dreams. But that will never happen if we look to the past.

But if you want to, all of you can persist in insulting each other and the countries as you have. And if that is not enough, you can insult me too. Because I cannot expect anything less of people who feel free to bring religion and scars left of the past to prove their points.

Buddha said, "Better than a thousand hollow words is one word that brings peace." I personally will never understand why we can't remember that.

[Cunard]

For those discussing India and Pakistan wars and victories or lack thereof, let me be the first to inform you that nobody won the war.

And if you don't believe me, ask the mothers who lost their sons. Ask the wives who lost their husbands. Ask the children who lost their fathers. Ask the young who died in their youth.

Rivers of blood have blown; and instead of respecting those that honorably sacrificed their lives for their respective countries, I don't understand how anybody can stand and insult each other or the countries themselves.

I keep wanting to think that a future awaits us divorced from past sorrows and imbued with new hopes and dreams. But that will never happen if we look to the past.

But if you want to, all of you can persist in insulting each other and the countries as you have. And if that is not enough, you can insult me too. Because I cannot expect anything less of people who feel free to bring religion and scars left of the past to prove their points.

Buddha said, "Better than a thousand hollow words is one word that brings peace." I personally will never understand why we can't remember that.


shutup

[kaisar2]

Not that I support racist/terrorist organizations like the Hindutva, but if you said that to the face of one of their members, your body would probably never be found.I respect your views here bro, but if i have to say it in the face of Hindutva or whatever, i will surely be backed up by millions of Pukhtoons/islamists/jihadists from Paksitan and then Afghanistan. But then i wanna see hindutva and their members alive, cause i respect their religion.

On the other hand such conflict is hypothetical, those two ethinicities live quite far away from each other.

You must some idea, which im sure you have of pukhtoons and their unity.






have you decided to buy something on four wheels yet?

[xsilent_watersx]

Seriously when did people start caring about bangladesh? That's like the shitter for India.

[lumière]

I dont think its racist at all....many of these people coming over have no jobs and remain unemployed...and at the same time do fuck all to better themselves...no different than the north africans that migrate to France and than riot every other week

That's quite an exeggeration :shock: First of all they wouldn't riot if they would be treated correctly and in an equal manner, but even their names and addresses(!) expose them to open discrimination. For sure their frustrated about their situation, but they dont riot this often either...


Back to Malaysia: It shouldnt only be focused on the working migrants, but on the general Indian Malays as well! Their situation is more than just precary. I dont know if anyone heard about the protests at the end of the year, but many Indian Malays, who to a majority are Tamil Hindus, feel discriminated by the Muslim majority.

Here is an example:

Malaysia 'convert' claims cruelty
By Jonathan Kent
BBC News, Kuala Lumpur


" Revathi Massosai alleges harsh treatment in detention
A Malaysian woman held for months in an Islamic rehabilitation centre says she was subjected to mental torture for insisting her religion is Hinduism.

Revathi Massosai, the name by which she wants to be known, says she was forced to eat beef despite being a Hindu.

Miss Massosai was seized by the Islamic authorities in January when she went to court to ask that she be registered as a Hindu rather than a Muslim.

The case is one of a number that have raised religious tensions in Malaysia.

Miss Massosai was born to Muslim converts and given a Muslim name, but she was raised as a Hindu by her grandmother and has always practised that faith.

However, under Malaysia's Islamic law, having Muslim parents makes one a Muslim and, as such, one is not allowed to change one's faith or marry a non-Muslim.

But Miss Massosai married a Hindu man in 2004 and the couple have a young daughter.

Headscarf

When in January she asked a court to officially designate her a Hindu she was detained and taken to an Islamic rehabilitation centre.


Only the Islamic courts can allow a Muslim legally to change faith

Her detention was twice extended to six months, during which time she says religious officials tried to make her pray as a Muslim and wear a headscarf.

However, the claim that will particularly shock Hindus is that the camp authorities tried to force her to eat beef.

A lawyer representing the Malacca state Islamic department responsible for Miss Revathi's arrest, rejected her allegations and said officials believe that she can still be persuaded to embrace Islam.

She is adamant that she will remain a Hindu. In the meantime, Miss Revathi and her daughter have been placed in the custody of her Muslim parents. "

Another example:

Muslim burial for Malaysian hero

Mr Moorthy's widow was in tears after Wednesday's ruling
A Malaysian mountaineering hero will be buried as a Muslim, against the wishes of his Hindu wife, who denied he had converted to Islam before his death.
The decision follows a High Court ruling that it cannot override the country's Islamic courts in matters of religious conversion.

An Islamic court had said the man, M Moorthy, had become a Muslim last year.

Lawyers say the case highlights problems faced by non-Muslims dealing with Malaysia's Islamic justice system.

"So much for good interracial relations," Haris Mohamad Ibrahim, a lawyer representing Malaysia's Bar Council, told The Associated Press.

"The judge has just told the widow and her family to go back and leave the body of their beloved to be buried by strangers."

Coma

M Moorthy, 36, was a Hindu when he became a national hero in 1997 as a member of the first Malaysian expedition to conquer Mount Everest.

But when he died a week ago family supporters and state Islamic officials jostled one another at the mortuary as each tried to claim his body.

An Islamic Sharia court subsequently upheld a claim by his former colleagues in the army that he had become a Muslim last year.

However his family, who want him to have a Hindu funeral, were not allowed to appear before the court to dispute his conversion because they are not Muslims.

The family went to the civil court and argued that Mr Moorthy was a practising Hindu right up to a recent accident when he fell from his wheelchair and lapsed into a coma.

They say he was even interviewed for local television two months ago about his preparations for the Hindu festival of Diwali.

But the High Court agreed with government lawyers who argued the civil court had no jurisdiction.

Lawyers for the dead man's relatives say the ruling leaves non-Muslims little protection in family disputes considered under Islamic law.

Most Malaysians are Muslim but the country's constitution guarantees freedom of worship for all."

I honestly dont think the title of the topic does really reflect the actual issue, as it seems like Hindus of Malaysia are causing trouble for nothing, which is not the case at all. Their rights are being supressed by the Muslim central government, which does focus more on its Islamic traditions than bringing peace between the ethnoreligious communities !

[sameer]

That's quite an exeggeration :shock: First of all they wouldn't riot if they would be treated correctly and in an equal manner, but even their names and addresses(!) expose them to open discrimination. For sure their frustrated about their situation, but they dont riot this often either...


Back to Malaysia: It shouldnt only be focused on the working migrants, but on the general Indian Malays as well! Their situation is more than just precary. I dont know if anyone heard about the protests at the end of the year, but many Indian Malays, who to a majority are Tamil Hindus, feel discriminated by the Muslim majority.

Here is an example:



Another example:



I honestly dont think the title of the topic does really reflect the actual issue, as it seems like Hindus of Malaysia are causing trouble for nothing, which is not the case at all. Their rights are being supressed by the Muslim central government, which does focus more on its Islamic traditions than bringing peace between the ethnoreligious communities !
everywhere islam is mixed with government, things like the above happen. religion should not be mixed with the legal system, but islam fundamentally insists that it be at the core of the legal system in any state with a majority islamic population.

unfortunately that leads to problems for the minorities.

[kucchnahi]

shutup

I am sorry if what I said I offended you. But I live by the ideal, "Win a discussion: Get a point. Win an argument: Lose a friend." And you don't have to agree with me on the ideal to understand the import of what I am saying: Everybody loses in a war; everybody loses in an argument. And either are not worth the glory of trying to garner a win. Anyway, good-luck to you.

[kaisar2]

everywhere islam is mixed with government, things like the above happen. religion should not be mixed with the legal system, but islam fundamentally insists that it be at the core of the legal system in any state with a majority islamic population.

unfortunately that leads to problems for the minorities.i totally agree with you.

i always chanted such idea like yours time to time but some of my Pakistani Islamist friends dont agree with me.

Btw im Pakisani Muslim Pukhtoon.


this is your State --------------------------------------------------------------------this is your religion

[Space-Cowboy]

I am sorry if what I said I offended you. But I live by the ideal, "Win a discussion: Get a point. Win an argument: Lose a friend." And you don't have to agree with me on the ideal to understand the import of what I am saying: Everybody loses in a war; everybody loses in an argument. And either are not worth the glory of trying to garner a win. Anyway, good-luck to you.

I'm not even sure if naive is the word I'd use to describe your post here because you seem innocent enough that I in fact feel bad about cutting you down to reality. The fact is, with the attitude above, nothing would get done. With the attitude above, there would still be aparteid, there would still be segregation. Much of human progress socially, culturally, technologically, et. al. comes from "arguing". Having a discussion with people not willing to listen to begin with is pointless.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Well i must say Sikhs are good fighters didnt say they wasnt, gues u hindus send in the sikhs first, btw i know very well, there was not clear indian victory, u were standing in lahore dats cuz, pakis had snatched half of kashmir in front of ur faces :) ino ur patriotic an dat, but fact is fact india cannot defeat pakistan in war, u tried but failed. tick tick boom, is dat pakistani missiles hitting ur open cities :) u kno also have bombs and weaponary. In u were defeated in kargil, then went to uncle sam under pressure pakistan accpeted to step down. 2001, wt their was a stand off, so fuckn wt u put a million troops on da border an we put half a million, den we went home, wt were u guna do nuke us, hahahah, u shud never unestimate ur opponent my friend :)

:rofl: What you on?

Good joke you got there!

[The Anti Desi]

I am Muslim....and you Kaiser2 disappoint me extremely. Don't ever make a religious thread EVER.

[The Anti Desi]

defeated your pakistan 4 times :dunno:
Ditto.

[kaisar2]

I am Muslim....and you Kaiser2 disappoint me extremely. Don't ever make a religious thread EVER.im sorry if i have, and i know how seriously religion is taken back in Bangladesh.

But the problem is what good has it brought to my country(Pakistan)? or any other country with official name 'Islamic Republic' related to it. People are calling us terrorists just because a bunch of fanatics are blowing things up elsewhere. Religion is a very personal thing, i dont know how they have kept it so in discipline in countries like for instance UAE. (thats where i used to live). A hardcore muslim country with no protests and riots disturbing the internal peace whenever anything bad happenes against Islam.

We are the people who follow a que in discipline and would wait for an hour standing while leaving Dubai airport(personal experience) and we are the same people who are first to break a que when we reach homeland. And then we say yes America is the ultimate evil but we know people back in homeland love us cause we own a green card or US/Brit nationality, cause we know we would a great piece of attention there. My point here states how much hypocritical we are. For God's sake religion has nothing to do with state. We muslims arent at might yet, so if we cant fight them at least join them and keep religion private.

again Religion is a very personal thing my friend, you cant impose a belief of obeying a unseen God while one doesnt understands the Logic behind it. Crusades are way over, and so the those dark ages. Do you know what are fighting for these days? The most basic thing called existence, land and dignified identity.
They have taken every thing from us, its funny to see countries like Kuwait to impose taxes on their people. They have to buy their own oil from US, and now UAE is imposing taxes after the death of Sheikh Zayed, the guy who made the whole nation cry after his death. Just because his son was a pussy and needed favor from uncle sam to take his father's place. The locals voted for more liberal, progressive and someone from Zayed's school of thought person called Sheikh Rashid (Ruler of Dubai). anyway.........

May Allah Forbid me for what i have said.

[Space-Cowboy]

again Religion is a very personal thing my friend, you cant impose a belief of obeying a unseen God while one doesnt understands the Logic behind it.

.....what IS the logic behind blind faith?

[kaisar2]

.....what IS the logic behind blind faith?you tell me sir or ask Anti Desi who just got disappointed, may be im too naive to define it.