Sup Peeps? Whose voting for Dr.Ron Paul?

[pankaj9211]

Who is voting for Dr.Ron Paul in the next election?
No Idea who he is?

Here is the Rundwn

Ok ok he is a republican but he was a Libertarian before & JUST Look @ HIS record!

Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record
He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

And oh ya he wants close down the IRS & end the FEDERAL INCOME TAX!!!

For those in the dark about IRS & INCOME TAX here is a brief run down. Federal Reserve an illegal bank, which was created in 1913 by congress which illegaly gave a private bank power to print money out of nothing & loan it to the government & run banks thru "Open Market Operations". So the federal reserve gives about 10-20 cents to print a 100 USD or 1 USD to the Treasury. From the moment the money is printed its owed back to the Federal Reserve with interest...we pay this money thru the Income tax which goes 100% TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE PRIVATE BANKERS...Here is a video below of Dr.Ron Paul criticizing the (Puppet) Chairman of Fed Ben Bernanke.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q


»www.ronpaul2008.com/

Do not think Fed is a private bank printing money out of thin air...? Prove me wrong!!!!

Key Points before you answer "We need a income tax how is schools going to run"?

1) There was no income tax before the Federal Reserve. Government printed its own Debt free money. There still would be an Income tax for corporations, since the WORD INCOME is defined by US Courts as something you gain thru profit in biz not working for somebody.

2.) Income tax is not the backing of USD, the backing of USD is US GOVERNMENT.

3.) Federal Reserve is no longer printing M3 Statistics, which means it could print as much money as it wants & eventually inflation will rise even faster. Analyst tell you that inflation is low then why do houses, healthcare & college Tuition keep rising soo much faster? More money the fed prints lowers
everybodys buying power with USD..

ACT NOW VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN PRIMARIES Nobody in mainstream media wants him to win..think about it presidents change but the people who print the money for the goverment are same since 1913!

Schools Ben again!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yAwvlDJgJbM


Should have posted it in Serious section can a mod please move this thread there?

[PRCIV]

I'm voting for Mitt Romney.

[Sacha-Sauda]

His election campaign is being supported by White supremacists.:idea:

[pankaj9211]

His election campaign is being supported by White supremacists.:idea:



So is it guilt by association? He is the only candidate democrat or republican who is not a member of CFR. CFR is pro war Think tank. Youtube it.

[pankaj9211]

I know some people might be too lazy to Utube CFR. I did it for you.

The CFR controls American media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlvdSQ6cAM

CNN Video:Lou Dobbs Slams CFR & North American Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjsy2Z3kdI

CFR / NAU & 2008 Presidential Candidates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5CZvD3-QM

Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

Ron Paul answers question if he is a member of the CFR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_AML16tC8

[republicanRed]

I am going to vote for him...I went to some rally for him in Greenville, SC..I love his politics might not be realistic as of yet. But he is the poster boy for the paleo-conservatives.

[pankaj9211]

I'm voting for Mitt Romney.


Any reason why your supporting him?

[pankaj9211]

I am going to vote for him...I went to some rally for him in Greenville, SC..I love his politics might not be realistic as of yet. But he is the poster boy for the paleo-conservatives.

That is true. I went to his rally in Philly & 2 of the debates in NH. Did you hear about that Indian Engineer working @ google he gave him $2300 donation the maximum allowed by law. He now quit his job & moved to NH to setup housing for up to 1K volunteers. The volunteers are coming to NH to spread the msg of Dr.Paul since MSM (Mainstream Media) is not covering him. BTW Dr.Paul has delivered over 4000 babies.

http://www.operationlivefreeordie.com/

[republicanRed]

That is true. I went to his rally in Boston & 2 of the debates in NH. Did you hear about that Indian Engineer working @ google he gave him $2300 donation the maximum allowed by law. He now quit his job & moved to NH to setup housing for up to 1K volunteers. The volunteers are coming to NH to spread the msg of Dr.Paul since MSM (Mainstream Media) is not covering him. BTW Dr.Paul has delivered over 4000 babies.

http://www.operationlivefreeordie.com/

I'm already on the mailing list..The whole white supremacists thing is a smear campaign from the neo-cons. There is nothing conservative about neo-cons.

[pankaj9211]

I would like to stress to everybody change your party affiliation to Republican & vote for Dr.Ron Paul in your states primary election & then the real election in November. Do you want to pay Federal Income tax? NO? Vote Ron Paul

http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries/

[pankaj9211]

What does that have to do with him being a racist crizzacker?

Not being a CFR member has everything to do with it. CFR owns the US media. Bush, Clinton are CFR members. If your not a CFR member & running for president & gathering support...expect a smear campaign.


Sugar do you hold the database of all Nuts on the planet in your head? Even if he did take picture with a NUT he is not endorsing the NUT. He has a lot of black supporters / minority supporters man. All this Stromfront bs is a smear campaign by MSM. BTW it was a RP rally & the nut just came & took a pic with him. He is very nice & approachable guy, I met him.

Your calling him a racist with no supporting evidence. Show me something HE SAID racist.

His take on Don Black (Nutter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8

[tamil_desi]

I know some people might be too lazy to Utube CFR. I did it for you.

The CFR controls American media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlvdSQ6cAM

CNN Video:Lou Dobbs Slams CFR & North American Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjsy2Z3kdI

CFR / NAU & 2008 Presidential Candidates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5CZvD3-QM

Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

Ron Paul answers question if he is a member of the CFR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_AML16tC8

:rofl: I might waste some of my time on watching this nonsense later, but you should go and read CFR's website. There is a lot of good analysis on their site.

http://www.cfr.org/

[tamil_desi]

Ron Paul would have a better chance of making a move in the polls if a segment of his supporters weren't outright crazies.

He has "common man" support and then the 9/11 conspiracy folks and CFR runs the White House people :no:

:lol: I'm like...the guy's platform isn't bad, except some his supporters scare me.

[pankaj9211]

:rofl: I might waste some of my time on watching this nonsense later, but you should go and read CFR's website. There is a lot of good analysis on their site.

http://www.cfr.org/


Research before passing judgment.

[tamil_desi]

Research before passing judgment.
Ok...that's good advice. I'm just giving you my opinion.

[chocolat]

he's anti-choice. that's all i need to know. won't get my vote.

[jumpn jza]

If you get rid of Income Tax then the only taxes that remain are regressive indirect taxes which negatively effect lower income earners. This is not the formula for a fair society...

If he's against the Fed because of their supposedly corrupt practices then thats fine, he should dismantle the Fed and replace it with a more accountable Reserve Bank...but getting rid of a Federal Reserve altogether makes no sense...and getting rid of direct taxes sounds like bad policy to me..

Small governments are useless, when the government doesnt believe in spending tax payers money to subsidize, regulate and organize then what's the point of voting??

He's also pro-private healthcare and against a Universal system. LOL he doesnt believe the government should take care of it's citizens from the "cradle to the grave"...which is typical small government rubbish...

I agree with him on these points.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

If he believes that the CIA helped facilitate 9/11 - then im with him on that one and i always have been.

Do not think Fed is a private bank printing money out of thin air...? Prove me wrong!!!!

Well, thats how a fiat currency works, we dont back our currencies with precious metals anymore...no government does that. We back our currency with confidence by making it legal tender.

[jumpn jza]

He has "common man" support and then the 9/11 conspiracy folks and CFR runs the White House people :no:

In 50-60 years when shit gets declassified i'll ring you up and say "i told you so"...

[republicanRed]

He believes in a weaker national government, more state rights which we can all agree. Why should lawmakers who live 100s of miles away from areas will the laws will have some kind of impact. But our government is bloated. He wants to reduce the military, which I say is great. Which will free up money for government programs that work. Federal Reserve has no accountability that is the problem with it. It has not stopped any recession. Its whole purpose is to stop recessions or panics in the market. The government has lost the power of printing money to a quasi-governmental office. The Federal Reserve has indirectly led to the debt-slave mentality taking over the US. People are debtor-slaves. Set up a new serfdom through the use of money that has no real support.

[DesieL]

To the author of the thread.
How much have you donated (monetary wise) towards Ron Paul's Campaign :idea:

[pankaj9211]

he's anti-choice. that's all i need to know. won't get my vote.


No he is PRO Choice & PRO Life as a doctor. He wants to END Government funded abortion & let the states decide if they want abortion legal or illegal in there state. US Constitution does not give power to federal government to enforce legality of abortion in every state.

[pankaj9211]

To the author of the thread.
How much have you donated (monetary wise) towards Ron Paul's Campaign :idea:

$202

[PinkPowerRanger]

i think of a drag queen when ever i hear his name

[pankaj9211]

What you have to remember is that there was no Federal income tax in this country before 1913 & we did not need an income till we got the bankers back with the passage of the federal reserve act.

The income tax does not go to the government but it goes to the federal reserve bank owners for printing money out of nothing & loaning it to the government & charging interest on it! Before 1913 US currency was printed debit free by the government & was backed by gold. This topic about banking is very in depth & I highly recommend you watch the videos I have attached below.

If nothing then read the HTML rundwn.

HTML Rundwn:
http://www.invisiblepatriots.com/web2/Fed.html

Money Banking & the Federal Reserve
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466210540567002553

Money as debt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279

America: Freedom to Fascism - Director's Authorized Version (By Late great Aaron Russo RIP)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

[DesieL]

$202

Hey bro, dont waste your time on this site.
Most of them are ineligible to vote :idea:

[PRCIV]

Any reason why your supporting him?

He's the most qualified having worked successfully in both the public and private sectors.

He's hardline on illegal immigration and gun control

He won't raise taxes

That's all I need to know.

[chocolat]

No he is PRO Choice & PRO Life as a doctor. He wants to END Government funded abortion & let the states decide if they want abortion legal or illegal in there state. US Constitution does not give power to federal government to enforce legality of abortion in every state.

Explain to me how you can be pro-choice AND pro-life, please.

[pankaj9211]

PRO LIFE: Wants to end government funded abortions. Cannot pay for an abortion? No taxpayer money to kill your baby.

PRO CHOICE: Wants to give the states the right to make abortion legal or Illegal as dictated by the constitution. He is not forcing any state to make it legal or illegal.

[pankaj9211]

He's the most qualified having worked successfully in both the public and private sectors.

He's hardline on illegal immigration and gun control

He won't raise taxes

That's all I need to know.

I recommend you watch the CFR videos I posted on page 1. He is a CFR member.

[chocolat]

PRO LIFE: Wants to end government funded abortions. Cannot pay for an abortion? No taxpayer money to kill your baby.

PRO CHOICE: Wants to give the states the right to make abortion legal or Illegal as dictated by the constitution. He is not forcing any state to make it legal or illegal.

pro-life: against abortion. pro-choice: for legalized abortion. either or, sweetie. you can't be both.

i understand what you're saying: he sees abortion as a matter to be decided by the states. but that does NOT make him pro-choice, and it certainly doesn't make him BOTH pro-life and pro-choice. you can't be both.

[pankaj9211]

Ron Paul : House of Cards
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XaxdUPNYj2s


Bring all our troops from Iraq & all over the world & close overseas bases. Save over a trillion dollars by just doing that. Stop giving AID overseas.
Dissolve the Federal Reserve bank(private bank) & bring power to print money back to the government as the US Constitution demands. End Federal Income tax & have the currency backed by precious metals.

[Gimmeck]

Ron Paul posing for photo ops with self-proclaimed neo-nazi Don Black:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20071220RonPaulDonBlack.jpg

signing autographs for Don Blacks son:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20071220RonPaulStormfront02.jpg

Don Blacks website: www.stormfront.org

I'll pass...
Yeah I bet Ron knew who that guy is.

[pankaj9211]

Really can you read minds?

[pankaj9211]

Ron Paul Town hall Part 1 (Aired in NH earlier today)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxldrCsVByA



Ron Paul Town hall Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VQcpmfT0f4

[pankaj9211]

Ron Paul Supporters Spontaneous Rally in Manchester
http://blip.tv/file/582985

[jumpn jza]

pro-life: against abortion. pro-choice: for legalized abortion. either or, sweetie. you can't be both.

i understand what you're saying: he sees abortion as a matter to be decided by the states. but that does NOT make him pro-choice, and it certainly doesn't make him BOTH pro-life and pro-choice. you can't be both.

pro-life = anti-woman
can i get an amen??

[Cunard]

Ron Paul posing for photo ops with self-proclaimed neo-nazi Don Black:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20071220RonPaulDonBlack.jpg

signing autographs for Don Blacks son:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20071220RonPaulStormfront02.jpg

Don Blacks website: www.stormfront.org

I'll pass...


thankfully this guy is in the single digits pretty much everywhere.....what a clown :lol:

[BigCrazyIndian]

the truth is out there.

cue x-files theme.

[_A-s-H-i_]

am hungry

[Han_Rage]

For the two people on this forum eligible to vote and the rest of the sadly misinformed individuals in this thread:

G7d_e9lrcZ8

[pankaj9211]

Wow Han your a rare breed you actually make up your own mind & not let the media do it for you? WTF?!?!?!? You see the truth behind debunked headlines more power to you!

[Cunard]

Wow Han your a rare breed you actually make up your own mind & not let the media do it for you? WTF?!?!?!? You see the truth behind debunked headlines more power to you!

lol

[insainiti87]

Ron Paul Vs. Huckabee, Giuliani, Obama, Clinton & Rockefeller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0niFNfcLYEg&feature=related

Ron Paul on Foreign Policy, House Floor May 22 1of3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ebJEDiyGI&feature=related

[pankaj9211]

Ron Paul House of cards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

Why YOU should vote for Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXIufIXPsYs

[pankaj9211]

Hey bro, dont waste your time on this site.
Most of them are ineligible to vote :idea:


I think your right & majority do not think for them selfs either & have to depend on MSM to make the decision for them. Oh well

[tamil_desi]

For the two people on this forum eligible to vote and the rest of the sadly misinformed individuals in this thread:

G7d_e9lrcZ8

Thanks for posting that video. Pretty interesting.

[yussi]

Im pissed hilary won in NH. Stupid bitch and her crocodile tears.

[chocolat]

pro-life = anti-woman
can i get an amen??

fuckin' AMEN!

pro-life = anti-woman. women's rights = human rights.

[foreverconfused]

It's possible he is racist. Admittedly, I do not follow american politics very closely. But I think he makes some good points in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcLSLGXypMY&feature=related

[tamil_desi]

fuckin' AMEN!

pro-life = anti-woman. women's rights = human rights.

pro-life= the ultimate defense of human rights.

[chocolat]

pro-life= the ultimate defense of human rights.

nope. pro-life = the ultimate example of the view of women as objects. women = vessels.

forcing women to go through with pregnancy and give birth = anti-human rights

a policy that forces women to seek unsafe, DEADLY abortions = anti-human rights

there is absolutely nothing "pro-life" about a policy that kills countless women.

[tamil_desi]

nope. pro-life = the ultimate example of the view of women as objects. women = vessels.

forcing women to go through with pregnancy and give birth = anti-human rights

a policy that forces women to seek unsafe, DEADLY abortions = anti-human rights

there is absolutely nothing "pro-life" about a policy that kills countless women.

Actually I don't know where you are coming up with your counter argument.

First, unless a rape occurs, it cannot be classified as a forced conception, therefore women have a choice to have or not to have unprotected sex.

Secondly, you're dropping the ole' Ed Rendell argument of "If abortions aren't government sanctioned, women will have to go out and find an unsafe method of having one." Ok, if you follow the premise of my first point, then this isn't an issue.

Thirdly, if the woman's life is deemed to be in danger, I completely agree that an abortion is ethical in such a situation.

Finally, "a policy that kills countless women?" Can you back that up? That's seems extremely unlikely to me (I'm talking in the context of the U.S.)

[musicchic33]

lol honestly, Ron Paul?

puh-leaseeee

but some other Republican, ftmw!

[pankaj9211]

:rofl: I might waste some of my time on watching this nonsense later, but you should go and read CFR's website. There is a lot of good analysis on their site.

http://www.cfr.org/


Ever get around to checking out the CFR vids?

A long one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6632255652046262625&q=CFR&total=2370&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Callaway

[tamil_desi]

Ever get around to checking out the CFR vids?
I was watching part of the Fox News debate with Paul that was posted in this thread I think. I'm definitely not one for conspiracies, and I admire the Council on Foreign Relations, but to answer you question :lol: No I haven't gotten around to watching them.

[pankaj9211]

All president candidates are CFR members or PRO CFR. The ones not get no respect from the media such as Ron, Dennis, Mike Gravel. Think.

Oscar was a US Rep from TX. This is what he said about CFR when it was starting out.

"Said, "In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press...

...They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers...An agreement was reached. The policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month, an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers.""

[chocolat]

Actually I don't know where you are coming up with your counter argument.

First, unless a rape occurs, it cannot be classified as a forced conception, therefore women have a choice to have or not to have unprotected sex.

I didn't say "forced conception." I said forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy. Meaning, she's already pregnant, doesn't want it, but is forced to have it because she has no other choice.

As for unprotected sex, believe it or not, birth control is not fool proof. But okay, let's say someone made a mistake. Does that mean they are ready and capable of raising a child? Does that mean they have the necessary financial and mental capacity to do so? No, it doesn't.


Secondly, you're dropping the ole' Ed Rendell argument of "If abortions aren't government sanctioned, women will have to go out and find an unsafe method of having one." Ok, if you follow the premise of my first point, then this isn't an issue.

Fact is, if a woman feels for whatever reason that she needs an abortion, she will find a way to have one. And if abortion in illegal, that way will be unsafe. Back-alley abortions do happen in places where abortion is illegal, and they do end up harming and even killing the women that have them.

Abortion is a matter of need for many women, for many reasons.

Thirdly, if the woman's life is deemed to be in danger, I completely agree that an abortion is ethical in such a situation.

So unless a woman is going to die, she better give birth to that baby and deal with it for the rest of her life, whether she is capable of doing so or not?

Finally, "a policy that kills countless women?" Can you back that up? That's seems extremely unlikely to me (I'm talking in the context of the U.S.)

My point is that outlawing abortion will lead to women being killed while getting unsafe abortions. Abortion is not illegal in the US. So how can I give you stats to back that up in the context of the US?

Here's a NY times article about a WHO study that found that abortion rates are comparable in places where it is legal and places where it is illegal. But the abortions performed in places where it is illegal are highly unsafe.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

A few quotes from the article:


The study indicated that about 20 million abortions that would be considered unsafe are performed each year and that 67,000 women die as a result of complications from those abortions, most in countries where abortion is illegal.
Some countries, like South Africa, have undergone substantial transitions in abortion laws in that time. The procedure was made legal in South Africa in 1996, leading to a 90 percent decrease in mortality among women who had abortions, some studies have found.
Abortion is illegal in most of Africa, though. It is the second-leading cause of death among women admitted to hospitals in Ethiopia, its Health Ministry has said.

Another interesting point:
The wealth of information that comes out of the study provides some striking lessons, the researchers said. In Uganda, where abortion is illegal and sex education programs focus only on abstinence, the estimated abortion rate was 54 per 1,000 women in 2003, more than twice the rate in the United States, 21 per 1,000 in that year. The lowest rate, 12 per 1,000, was in Western Europe, with legal abortion and widely available contraception.

[tamil_desi]

I



So unless a woman is going to die, she better give birth to that baby and deal with it for the rest of her life, whether she is capable of doing so or not?




Yes...either that or put the child up for adoption.

[Sphinx7]

i dont vote, i dont participate in the phoney democracy here.

i stay out from the smoke and mirrors..the political landscape which that consists of strings attached and curtains.

I hope the Elite select Paul, hope for some kinda luck without the fairydust.

peace

[pankaj9211]

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson

[PakiRican]

i would vote republican if he became the candidate

[Cunard]

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson

and thats exactly what ron paul wants lol

[PRCIV]

Ron Paul is done, his run is over.