My observation of atheist Desi girls...

[Street_Scholar]

Most lesbian Desi girls love atheism. It takes out the moral and ethical implication, to their unethical and unnatural practices. Its a rationalization of a practice which is abhorrent and corrupts the moral fabric of society.

Not to mention they are such feminist bitches too.#

Here atheism refuted by a banana!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=704_1172297813

[surface2air]

:rofl:

[Nilü]

Now i want to eat a banana

[surface2air]

Now i want to eat a banana
*Peels his banana for her. Here.

[Nilü]

*Peels his banana for her. Here.
:hand: You peels ur banana for every woman???

[Princess_Ligi]

Lol thats an awesome clip

[CuriosListener]

Most lesbian Desi girls love atheism. It takes out the moral and ethical implication, to their unethical and unnatural practices. Its a rationalization of a practice which is abhorrent and corrupts the moral fabric of society.

Not to mention they are such feminist bitches too.#

Here atheism refuted by a banana!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=704_1172297813

alternative explanation:
Hinduism has historically been repressive to women's personal freedom. and lesbian desi girls really value their personal freedom.

Not to mention, you're a moron too. :wavey:

[Street_Scholar]

Lol thats an awesome clip

Tell me about it.

By the way... Could you run that whole Trinity thing past me?

[Princess_Ligi]

Tell me about it.

By the way... Could you run that whole Trinity thing past me?
Oh dear, Im not going through one of these again :no:

[Street_Scholar]

alternative explanation:
Hinduism has historically been repressive to women's personal freedom. and lesbian desi girls really value their personal freedom.

Not to mention, you're a moron too. :wavey:


Most Indians live in India... I don't see an explosion of atheism there?

maybe you're just full of shit?

[Street_Scholar]

Oh dear, Im not going through one of these again :no:

Just try baby, am sure Jesus will help you!

I need to be saved from atheists!

[Cunard]

alternative explanation:
Hinduism has historically been repressive to women's personal freedom. and lesbian desi girls really value their personal freedom.

Not to mention, you're a moron too. :wavey:

AMEN :lol:

[CuriosListener]

Most Indians live in India... I don't see an explosion of atheism there?

maybe you're just full of shit?

well i'm guessing you don't live there, and neither do i, so it's hard to be precise about what you do see there regarding the different types of compromises women do make with themselves. tho, much of the entire indian left is pretty godless, and there's a pretty big indian left. anyway "explosion of atheism" really has nothing to do with what i'm talking about.

what you don't see is open lesbianism either. india is the largest democracy in the world, yet homosexuality is still technically illegal in the penal code. there's no indian will&grace...the well-adjusted gay friend figure really isn't anywhere near the cultural mainstream.

[the big d]

Most lesbian Desi girls love atheism. It takes out the moral and ethical implication, to their unethical and unnatural practices. Its a rationalization of a practice which is abhorrent and corrupts the moral fabric of society.

Not to mention they are such feminist bitches too.#

Here atheism refuted by a banana!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=704_1172297813

why do atheists have no moral or ethical compass?

[Street_Scholar]

why do atheists have no moral or ethical compass?

The don't have any universally defined rules of etiquette. It's man made laws and rules which they can minpulite to fit their agenda. It's actually cleaver trick, its like having laws if they restrict you, you change them or break them. And actually hold no moral or ethical responsibility, yet act like you do.

[Street_Scholar]

well i'm guessing you don't live there, and neither do i, so it's hard to be precise about what you do see there regarding the different types of compromises women do make with themselves. tho, much of the entire indian left is pretty godless, and there's a pretty big indian left. anyway "explosion of atheism" really has nothing to do with what i'm talking about.

what you don't see is an explosion of lesbianism either. india is the largest democracy in the world, yet homosexuality is still technically illegal in the penal code. there's no indian will&grace...the well-adjusted gay friend figure really isn't anywhere near the cultural mainstream.


You have some good points with respect to the penal code, however I still disagree, as Islamic laws don't stop Muslim girls in Pakistan from indulging into lesbianism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd6CHlPRHbQ

[dilnashi]

I dunno if it's because they're lesbian... a lot of the atheist girls I know just don't like Hinduism/Islam/Christianity...

Most people I know that are atheist are paki though cause they hate islam, but they aren't gay...

I don't think your point's valid :neutral:

[dhinchaak]

basically the clip was a detailed look into the properties of a banana. how does a banana show that a man made concept exists?
if he can explain the properties of a banana to show the existence of a myth then please ask him to explain diseases, killings, global warming, sufferings of all kinds and all the bad shit that happens in this perfect world created by the "almighty".

ethics and morals are cultivated as one grows into the society that he/she is subjected to. if you try to think about things, question ideas, look for evidence about stuff, it does not mean you have no morals or ethics. it just means you have an open mind and you are not going to resort to concepts like 'god' to explain the mysteries about life forms and origins.

sex is the most basic need of human life to keep existing, not only that, its an awesome feeling. y is it that it needs to be done in ways that our forefathers or people that wrote some books in the past made it to be. society back then was crude, and since people did not know much they needed some guidance. BUT today we know MUCH MORE than what we knew in the past. Imagine how ahead of our times we would be if religion was taken out of our equation.

sexual preference has nothing to do with ethics and morals. it only connects if you think gays are bad people for taking it in the rear or feeling immensely good connecting on a mental level with someone with the same genitalia as them. when u inherently dislike something you form a lot of conclusions about them. i inherently dislike people who are brilliant but will not want to question the logic behind the god delusion. so i form conclusions on them.

its all subjective. all of it. but that does not mean, you stop learning. you must keep an open mind. and STOP judging on sexual preference.

[dhinchaak]

for all you know viruses and bacteria could be the ones running the whole show.
but thats just less glamorous. and so random. so unacceptable. coz we think we're so much better than just that. but in case don't believe things without proof.

[Space-Cowboy]

alternative explanation:
Hinduism has historically been repressive to women's personal freedom. and lesbian desi girls really value their personal freedom.

Not to mention, you're a moron too. :wavey:


No it hasn't, if anything Hindu teachings values women's personal choices, they'd have to, by virtue of what they teach. Also there's nothing in any of the Hindu texts that denounces homosexuality. It just doesn't address it at all. It's indifferent.

a lot of the atheist girls I know just don't like Hinduism/Islam/Christianity...

They wouldn't like any superstition, by virtue of being atheist. The three you mentioned are amongst thousands of things these girls 'wouldn't like'.

[jihadthisfilth]

kama, banshod and ligi all in the same thread. brilliant
evening!

[dilnashi]

They wouldn't like any superstition, by virtue of being atheist. The three you mentioned are amongst thousands of things these girls 'wouldn't like'.[/QUOTE]


:rolleyes: ur not making any sense

[Space-Cowboy]

:rolleyes: ur not making any sense

No, you're just slow. Let me spell it out for you:

1) Said girls are atheists
2) Atheists are against superstition
3) Religion, spirituality, etc. are all superstition.
---> Therefore Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Sikhism, Jainism, Taoism, Jedi-ism, Bah'ai, etc. are all superstition.

4) So of course these girls who are atheists wouldn't like Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam, but they also wouldn't like any of the others I've mentioned because they are atheists.

[dilnashi]

No, you're just slow. Let me spell it out for you:

1) Said girls are atheists
2) Atheists are against superstition
3) Religion, spirituality, etc. are all superstition.
---> Therefore Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Sikhism, Jainism, Taoism, Jedi-ism, Bah'ai, etc. are all superstition.

4) So of course these girls who are atheists wouldn't like Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam, but they also wouldn't like any of the others I've mentioned because they are atheists.


you said desi girls that are mostly lesbian are atheist....

and i said... I DONT THINK DESI ATHEISTS ARE LESBIANS/GAYS whatever

but religion isn't superstition, you're just ranting

[Space-Cowboy]

you said desi girls that are mostly lesbian are atheist....

Where did I say this?



and i said... I DONT THINK DESI ATHEISTS ARE LESBIANS/GAYS whatever

What does this have to do with anything? You said:

I dunno if it's because they're lesbian... a lot of the atheist girls I know just don't like Hinduism/Islam/Christianity...


And I'm saying, their dislike wouldn't be limited to just those three, but to every other superstition as well.


but religion isn't superstition, you're just ranting

Religion is superstition. Superstition: belief without evidence.

Do you understand?

[BoO bOo]

i was once a lesbian. I use to like girls when i was around 8 years old. I had sex with my girlfrend. :hs:

it feels good to let it all out. what a relief.

[Space-Cowboy]

i was once a lesbian. I use to like girls when i was around 8 years old. I had sex with my girlfrend. :hs:

it feels good to let it all out. what a relief.

I had sex with your girlfriend too :hs:

You're right, it does feel good to let it all out. :hs:

[BoO bOo]

I had sex with your girlfriend too :hs:

You're right, it does feel good to let it all out. :hs:
so it was you who stole her from me. :squint:

then i had turn on to men. I cant trust women anymore. What a horrendous experience!

[CuriosListener]

No it hasn't, if anything Hindu teachings values women's personal choices, they'd have to, by virtue of what they teach. Also there's nothing in any of the Hindu texts that denounces homosexuality. It just doesn't address it at all. It's indifferent.




:no:

The impact Hinduism had, historically, on the lives of a hindu women involves a lot more than just its spiritual platitudes and textual teachings. especially on the textual side: hinduism is arguably the least textual and most oral of the major religions. not to mention really up there in terms of rituals.

Hindu religious rituals have, in the past, and to a limited extent the present, assimilated and spread practices like purdah, dowry, child marriage, negligence to widows...even sati in extreme cases. whatever the practice, the idea has been that a religiously sanctioned ideal of a woman's purity has been used to gauge her value. and historically, in a strictly religious family, she was frequently expected and/or coerced into passing her life with limited contact with the outside world, observing rituals in service to the family. Often she had little power/worth within the family, since, by religiously-sanctioned ritual, she was been destined to be married off. Always very expensively, and perhaps even very, very young. once she married, she entered as an outsider. and if she was widowed...well then life could really get tricky. And life expectancies in premodern india made widowhood a significant possibility.

It's was all very effective. just a century ago the TOTAL number of women in primary/sec schools in india was on the order of 100,000; the total number in colleges was in the hundreds. a disproportionate number of the earliest public schools for women were run by christian missionaries, and a disproportionate number of the earliest accomplished indian women and activists were educated in christian schools.

[jumpn jza]

Lol thats an awesome clip

I guess you could use the banana to confound your hell-bound, godless atheist friends...they'll surely convert then

[Space-Cowboy]

:no:

The impact Hinduism had, historically, on the lives of a hindu women involves a lot more than just its spiritual platitudes and textual teachings. especially on the textual side: hinduism is arguably the least textual and most oral of the major religions. not to mention really up there in terms of rituals.

Hindu religious rituals have, in the past, and to a limited extent the present, assimilated and spread practices like purdah, dowry, child marriage, negligence to widows...even sati in extreme cases. whatever the practice, the idea has been that a religiously sanctioned ideal of a woman's purity has been used to gauge her value. and historically, in a strictly religious family, she was frequently expected and/or coerced into passing her life with limited contact with the outside world, observing rituals in service to the family. Often she had little power/worth within the family, since, by religiously-sanctioned ritual, she was been destined to be married off. Always very expensively, and perhaps even very, very young. once she married, she entered as an outsider. and if she was widowed...well then life could really get tricky. And life expectancies in premodern india made widowhood a significant possibility.

It's was all very effective. just a century ago the TOTAL number of women in primary/sec schools in india was on the order of 100,000; the total number in colleges was in the hundreds. a disproportionate number of the earliest public schools for women were run by christian missionaries, and a disproportionate number of the earliest accomplished indian women and activists were educated in christian schools.

The essentially Hinduism is in fact just the spiritual message. The rituals you're referring to isn't Hinduism, it's brahminism. And yes, brahminism was quite corrupt. The rituals you mention above were not created from authentic texts that relate to Sanatani... at the very least the majority of those rituals are not. They came from texts such as Manu smriti, which is definitely not a Sanatani text.

Corrupt brahminical practices designed to hegmonize the status of much of the ruling brahmins of India came about to create brahminism, and in the end what you see are mindless rituals such as sati, enslavement, caste system heirarchy, et. al.

HinduISM [Sanatani] is really just spiritual philosophy.. nothing more. And brahminism is more a social order than it is a religion, essentially.

So it is not Hinduism that's responsible for this by any stretch; it is the after-effects of brahminism.

[Street_Scholar]

A lot of people assume I'm a lesbian simply because I have a lot of gay friends, the majority of my guy friends, are in fact gay. and people are suprised im not Bi, and simply not interested in girls at all..., cause i'm so liberal and accepting..they are suprised i haven't "experimented," with girls..but, I just don't have any interest in females in a sexual sense. but I am also an athiest.

You are 'liberal' and 'accepting' yet in the very next post contradict your self and show your utter bigoted views of Islam. Do you even know the definitions of the words you are using?

By the way you might want to learn how to spell 'atheist' if you claim to be one, becouse otherwise you make yourself out to look like a complete spastic.

P.S, if you're dyslexic I apologize.

Cite:
hahaha, Im a Paki athiest who hates Islam. My dad's name is Mohammed lol, how embarring.

he taught me about evolution when i was like five though.


thank you darwin.

[Street_Scholar]

that's bullshit. muslims/christians/jews etc..have a code of moral laws because they can't differentiate what is "good" or "bad" they need these "laws," only abide by them to please thier "god," or so that they wont have repurcussions such as "going to hell," not that they actually understand the moral codes or believe in its value, most people hold blind faith.

while athiests, don't need a moral written book to dictate thier life, they can differentiate what is moral and what is immoral without a code, (i.e. killing anther human is wrong etc..) and truely understand the value because they place thier faith in humanity instead of a fake diety.


If I was an atheist I would say to you good and bad do not exist its just an delusional archetype. Same goes for ethics and morals. So I would set myself up an almost irrefutable preposition. You would actually have to prove to me objectively 'evil' exists. And that its not just an aracypye as described by psyche.

[Street_Scholar]

for all you know viruses and bacteria could be the ones running the whole show.
but thats just less glamorous. and so random. so unacceptable. coz we think we're so much better than just that. but in case don't believe things without proof.

"Allah is He, than Whom there is no other deity. He knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Allah is He, than Whom there is no other deity; the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him. He is Allah the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (and Colors). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: Whatever is the heavens and on earth, do declare His Praise and Glory; and He is exalted in Might, the Wise." (59:22-24)

"Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing from water? Will they not then believe?" (21:30)

[jumpn jza]

Atheist desi girls :boink:

[Street_Scholar]

Banshod, and Kama I am still waiting for a response to my valid points above.

[hurryputher]

I must say I agree. From what I've seen, most females who have denounced religion even though they're from a religious background tend to do it because it's easier to live without the moral constraints. On the other hand, most male atheists have at least thought it through somewhat

This doesn't apply to the handful of intelligent bitches, I still love you all

[Street_Scholar]

Kama, springs too mind.

[SarcasmicBengali]

The don't have any universally defined rules of etiquette. It's man made laws and rules which they can minpulite to fit their agenda. It's actually cleaver trick, its like having laws if they restrict you, you change them or break them. And actually hold no moral or ethical responsibility, yet act like you do.

the concepts of Religion and God arent universal.

and to this day those 'universaly defined rules of etiquette' are manipulated by those very same people of faith to suit their own agendas... as you say.

[SarcasmicBengali]

ethics and morals are cultivated as one grows into the society that he/she is subjected to. if you try to think about things, question ideas, look for evidence about stuff, it does not mean you have no morals or ethics. it just means you have an open mind and you are not going to resort to concepts like 'god' to explain the mysteries about life forms and origins.



see the thing is... even one's Religious inclination will be based on the society they're exposed to.
i mean the chances of someone being Jewish in an Islamic nation like Pakistan and very few and far in between... for example.
it's only when a person is open minded enough to question the world around them that they might adopt of a different set of beliefs than the one they were born into/exposed to... or none at all.

[jumpn jza]

Atheism shits on whatever the fuck you believe in.


i kidd...hehehe

[Gladiator]

hahaha, Im a Paki athiest who hates Islam. My dad's name is Mohammed lol, how embarring.

he taught me about evolution when i was like five though.


thank you darwin.

lol....

you know richard dawkins?

[dhinchaak]

i like the term freethinker much more...

[dhinchaak]

see the thing is... even one's Religious inclination will be based on the society they're exposed to.
i mean the chances of someone being Jewish in an Islamic nation like Pakistan and very few and far in between... for example.
it's only when a person is open minded enough to question the world around them that they might adopt of a different set of beliefs than the one they were born into/exposed to... or none at all.
hi yaar, i agree with that absolutely...
im just glad we live in a society that won't kill us for not sharing the same religious fantasies as them...

[SarcasmicBengali]

hi yaar, i agree with that absolutely...
im just glad we live in a society that won't kill us for not sharing the same religious fantasies as them...

on the flip side... its sad that there still are societies that will do that, and worse... :no:

[dhinchaak]

on the flip side... its sad that there still are societies that will do that, and worse... :no:
there is always room for evil, what an awesomely spacious planet...

[ancient_warrior]

Most lesbian Desi girls love atheism. It takes out the moral and ethical implication, to their unethical and unnatural practices. Its a rationalization of a practice which is abhorrent and corrupts the moral fabric of society.

Not to mention they are such feminist bitches too.#

Here atheism refuted by a banana!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=704_1172297813

LMFAO :rofl:

[Echelon]

Most lesbian Desi girls love atheism. It takes out the moral and ethical implication, to their unethical and unnatural practices. Its a rationalization of a practice which is abhorrent and corrupts the moral fabric of society.

Not to mention they are such feminist bitches too.#

Here atheism refuted by a banana!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=704_1172297813

You're an idiot; are you even serious?

[Street_Scholar]

Echelon, you are intellectually deficient.

[Echelon]

Echelon, you are intellectually deficient.

Thanks. This is my new sig.

[ancient_warrior]

Religious fanatics always making claims about atheists, non-believers, or whatever bullshiit based on their biased opinion. :ugh:

Somthings never change. :rolleyes:

[Echelon]

Most lesbian Desi girls love atheism. It takes out the moral and ethical implication, to their unethical and unnatural practices. Its a rationalization of a practice which is abhorrent and corrupts the moral fabric of society.

Not to mention they are such feminist bitches too.#

Here atheism refuted by a banana!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=704_1172297813

I'm confused.
Firstly Atheism in various strands and forms is a general rejection of a higher-being.
Religion is basically a doctrine of beliefs.

Why can't they potentially just become theists and not have very specific organised beliefs?

[Street_Scholar]

It's ironic that I created this thread and decided to accept that my own values are atheistic in nature, and therefore I am an atheist. But I feel more comfortable not labeling myself as such, as labels are a vice.

[Echelon]

It's ironic that I created this thread and decided to accept that my own values are atheistic in nature, and therefore I am an atheist. But I feel more comfortable not labeling myself.
Answer the last post.

[Street_Scholar]

Answer the last post.

I did not fully comprehend your question, try to elaborate on it a little.

[Street_Scholar]

Atheism is not a denial of the acceptance of a god in form of its dictionary definition. It's a denial of the existence of god(s) based on the current scientific evidence. Atheists by nature as rationalists, and will only accepted something which is considered "paranormal" on the basis of verifiable scientific evidence.

[Echelon]

I did not fully comprehend your question, try to elaborate on it a little.

What I'm saying is, a "desi lesbian" could potentially believe in God and remain a theist or believe in something similar to Spinoza's view of God, and not have to adhere to religious doctrines of organised faiths who's views are repugnant to homosexuality.

I don't think they ALL completely reject the idea of God merely because they want to delude themselves into thinking that their "sinful" actions will go unnoticed. The above example brings a valid situation where they could be lesbian, but still be "theists" with no conflict of ideas.

[Echelon]

Atheism is not a denial of the acceptance of a god in form of its dictionary definition. It's a denial of the existence of god(s) based on the current scientific evidence. Atheists by nature as rationalists, and will only accepted something which is considered "paranormal" on the basis of verifiable scientific evidence.

This is not completely true. I mentioned earlier that there are "varying strands of atheism", and I'm going to follow it up with this.

"An implicit atheist has not thought about belief in gods; such an individual would be described as implicitly without a belief in gods. An explicit atheist has made an assertion regarding belief in gods; such an individual may eschew belief in gods (weak atheism), or affirm that gods do not exist (strong atheism)."

[Echelon]

And wtf, why are you drawing Desi girls into this? Is it because they're conditioned with religious values from organised faiths?
Well if this is a rejection on their part, its not a rejection of God as a whole, it is a rejection of Religion.

[Street_Scholar]

What I'm saying is, a "desi lesbian" could potentially believe in God and remain a theist or believe in something similar to Spinoza's view of God, and not have to adhere to religious doctrines of organised faiths who's views are repugnant to homosexuality.

I don't think they ALL completely reject the idea of God merely because they want to delude themselves into thinking that their "sinful" actions will go unnoticed. The above example brings a valid situation where they could be lesbian, but still be "theists" with no conflict of ideas.


The first post was meant to be satire.

[Echelon]

The don't have any universally defined rules of etiquette. It's man made laws and rules which they can minpulite to fit their agenda. It's actually cleaver trick, its like having laws if they restrict you, you change them or break them. And actually hold no moral or ethical responsibility, yet act like you do.

Is this satire too?
I'm having difficulty deciphering whether its satire or your usual retarded logic.

[Space-Cowboy]

Is this satire too?
I'm having difficulty deciphering whether its satire or your usual retarded logic.


btw, Street_Scholar gets much of his information from stormfront.org.

In otherwords, he is also a racist douche and a social and intellectual invalid.

[Street_Scholar]

This is not completely true. I mentioned earlier that there are "varying strands of atheism", and I'm going to follow it up with this.

"An implicit atheist has not thought about belief in gods; such an individual would be described as implicitly without a belief in gods. An explicit atheist has made an assertion regarding belief in gods; such an individual may eschew belief in gods (weak atheism), or affirm that gods do not exist (strong atheism)."

Its on the proponent proposing the theory to provide evidence the evidence in support of his premise. In this case religious folk need to provide the evidence in support of their arguments. As of yet, there is no scientific evidence supporting the theory of a god. The nature of a rationalistic person is to be skeptical not optimistic. The atheist such as myself has a naturalistic or skeptical stance on this, this is the best and most suitable way to be OBJECTIVE, a optimistic person maybe persuaded by SUBJECTIVE interpretation of evidence to support his assertion. The human mind is susceptible to delusion, conditioning yourself and having an optimistic stance on something just increases the chance of the person being deluded.

[Street_Scholar]

Is this satire too?
I'm having difficulty deciphering whether its satire or your usual retarded logic.

My first post in this thread today, states I have changed my stance on atheism as of last night I am in support and a active proliferater of atheism now. In other words I am an atheist now.

[Street_Scholar]

btw, Street_Scholar gets much of his information from stormfront.org.

In otherwords, he is also a racist douche and a social and intellectual invalid.

I don't get "much" of my information from stromfront, in fact I do not even post on there anymore. And I am not a racist, even though I admit I might have had some erroneous theories on race previously.

[Echelon]

Its on the proponent proposing the theory to provide evidence the evidence in support of his premise. In this case religious folk need to provide the evidence in support of their arguments. As of yet, there is no scientific evidence supporting the theory of a god. The nature of a rationalistic person is to be skeptical not optimistic. The atheist such as myself has a naturalistic or skeptical stance on this, this is the best and most suitable way to be OBJECTIVE, a optimistic person maybe persuaded by SUBJECTIVE interpretation of evidence to support his assertion. The human mind is susceptible to delusion, conditioning yourself and having an optimistic stance on something just increases the chance of the person being deluded.
No scientific argument or evidence? Erm, okay, re-read philosophy 101.


Objectively one can never be certain about the probability of things existing physically or through other realities.
We can only have a objective base of the physical via inequalities of chance and not truths, through abstractions of phenomena.

At the end of the day, for an ambiguous thing like God existence is objectively represented via philosophical and mathematical arguments. But again, the argument is split, and it will boil down to subjective resonance and "faith".

[Echelon]

I don't get "much" of my information from stromfront, in fact I do not even post on there anymore. And I am not a racist, even though I admit I might have had some erroneous theories on race previously.

You seem confused, as far as I'm aware, not long ago you were pasting Quaran quotes like no tomorrow.

[Street_Scholar]

No scientific argument or evidence? Erm, okay, re-read philosophy 101.


Objectively one can never be certain about the probability of things existing physically or through other realities.
We can only have a objective base of the physical via inequalities of chance and not truths, through abstractions of phenomena.

At the end of the day, for an ambiguous thing like God existence is objectively represented via philosophical and mathematical arguments. But again, the argument is split, and it will boil down to subjective resonance and "faith".

I completely reject your stance on this.

Truth and False statements can be measured using logic...

I.e. the conclusion of such statements has to follow from the premise of the argument.

[Street_Scholar]

You seem confused, as far as I'm aware, not long ago you were pasting Quaran quotes like no tomorrow.

I've slightly shifted my stance. I would not like too go into too much detail here on this forum.

[Echelon]

I completely reject your stance on this.

Truth and False statements can be measured using logic...

I.e. the conclusion of such statements has to follow from the premise of the argument.

Thats abstract reality, friend.

i.e. 1+1=2 == true

[Street_Scholar]

Thats abstract reality, friend.

i.e. 1+1=2 == true


It has real application in life. It is consistent and universal. Subjective abstract is not, and I am talking about heavy hypothetical philosophy. Which has no application in life.

[foreverconfused]

The don't have any universally defined rules of etiquette. It's man made laws and rules which they can minpulite to fit their agenda. It's actually cleaver trick, its like having laws if they restrict you, you change them or break them. And actually hold no moral or ethical responsibility, yet act like you do.

most normal people have an intrinsic sense of what is right and wrong. The atheists's sense of morality comes from within. Muslims are the only people who need a quranic verse to tell them how to do every damn thing. I see that as a lack of common sense, not as an admirable trait.

[Echelon]

It has real application in life. It is consistent and universal. Subjective abstract is not, and I am talking about heavy hypothetical philosophy. Which has no application in life.

Incorrect, the abstract is merely derived from the physical, but the physical can never hold the same properties of the abstract i.e. whole truths.
Physical reality does not have any truths. For instance I cannot say I have two apples in front of me. Because while I'm expressing that, I am also predicting the state of the apples. This goes into QM description of nature.

I can abstract a fundamental theory for Gravity, but I could never actually fully determine the gravitational force I'm experiencing.

[Echelon]

There are no certainties in the physical, this is something already covered in a QM.

[foreverconfused]

If I was an atheist I would say to you good and bad do not exist its just an delusional archetype. Same goes for ethics and morals. So I would set myself up an almost irrefutable preposition. You would actually have to prove to me objectively 'evil' exists. And that its not just an aracypye as described by psyche.

What bullshit. Atheists are not people lacking in morality. They believe concepts of good and bad are derived from human instinct, not from a higher power.

[Street_Scholar]

What bullshit. Atheists are not people lacking in morality. They believe concepts of good and bad are derived from human instinct, not from a higher power.

See my posts dated from today... My standing has changed.

[dhinchaak]

this thread is slowly becoming as ridiculous as its first post ..
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