Any1 Converted??

[*jaanam*]

I was wondering if anyone has converted into a diff. religion than what they were brought up in??

[Beefcake]

Yeah. Born Sikh, converted to the Jedi religion. Got my ass beat by some fat nerd with glasses and converted back to Sikhism.

*Can see this thread getting out of hand*

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

No one in my family.

However a family friend was muslim afghan did convert to (Sikhi)sm. :eek:

[Beefcake]

No one in my family.

However a family friend who is afghan did convert to Sikhism. :eek:

LOL. Why is that a shock?

[supremed]

No one in my family.

However a family friend who is afghan did convert to (Sikhi)sm. :eek:
afghan is a great religion...I especially like their views on chappli kabobs....enlightening and delicious at the same time

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

LOL. Why is that a shock?

When did i say it was a shock?

[Beefcake]

When did i say it was a shock?

Your emoticon....

[icekreamgirl12]

i know few ppl whom converted into islam...

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

afghan is a great religion...I especially like their views on chappli kabobs....enlightening and delicious at the same time

Afghan is not a religion lol - not your fault though.

I edited my post muslim afghan.

Yea the kabobs are great.

[Walktheline]

afghan is a great religion...I especially like their views on chappli kabobs....enlightening and delicious at the same time

CHAPPLI kabobs? dude for the longest time I thought the guy on the AVS commercial was asking "do you like CHAKLI kabobs" as in kabobs made out of sparrows/birdies...
wow what a relief. sparrows are so cute. I'm enlightened. huh.

[supremed]

Afghan is not a religion lol - not your fault though.

I edited my post muslim afghan.

Yea the kabobs are great.
yeah I know its not a religion...therein lies the joke...its coo though

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

yeah I know its not a religion...therein lies the joke...its coo though

Lol i got you dude :p

[supremed]

CHAPPLI kabobs? dude for the longest time I thought the guy on the AVS commercial was asking "do you like CHAKLI kabobs" as in kabobs made out of sparrows/birdies...
wow what a relief. sparrows are so cute. I'm enlightened. huh.
you just combined two of my favorite things...sparrows and kabobs....I like sparrows because they are cute...I like kabobs bec they are delicious...Im craving a cute kabob now

[*PrOjeCT KaL]

ive got a mate who converted frm sikhism to jehovah's witness

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

ive got a mate who converted frm sikhism to jehovah's witness

Did he have a reason for doing that?

[longjohnsilver]

Afghan *is* a religion... don't listen to the non-believers who propagate rumors to the contrary =0

[*PrOjeCT KaL]

Did he have a reason for doing that?
i dnt knw. ive neva askd him. his dad converted many years ago, but his mum and rest of the siblings are still following sikh faith

[supremed]

Afghan *is* a religion... don't listen to the non-believers who propagate rumors to the contrary =0
they worship the hawk

[Beefcake]

Afghan *is* a religion... don't listen to the non-believers who propagate rumors to the contrary =0

LOL... Kebab-Huackbar?

[longjohnsilver]

they worship the hawk
To the hawk! :bowdown:

[longjohnsilver]

LOL... Kebab-Huackbar?
Holy Cow! :bowdown:

[*jaanam*]

hmm.. what does the muslim religion say about ppl that convert 2 something else

[*jaanam*]

No one in my family.

However a family friend was muslim afghan did convert to (Sikhi)sm. :eek:

has she followed sikhism after converting?

[*PrOjeCT KaL]

has she followed sikhism after converting?
why does it have to be a she :rolleyes:

[Beefcake]

hmm.. what does the muslim religion say about ppl that convert 2 something else

I think Sharia law commands that apostates be killed.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

has she followed sikhism after converting?

Yeah she has and has remained very happy.

Even got married into a sikh family.

[*jaanam*]

thats cool

[Irreligious Left]

One of my mom's cousins converted from Hinduism to Catholicism and became a nun.

[*jaanam*]

yeah.. I just wanted to see if it goes on that much or not.. It just seems to me that ppl follow whatever there parents teach them but I was wondering if you ever wonder to yourself "what do I really believe"... do you believe in your religion because you have to.. or is it really truely coming from your heart

[notoriou$punjabi]

lol

If you don't wanna be a better human being....no matter what religion you pick ya'll still gon'be a dumbass

[*jaanam*]

lol

If you don't wanna be a better human being....no matter what religion you pick ya'll still gon'be a dumbass
yeah.. see my belief is that if you are a good human being you will go to heaven. However my religion says that if I dont pray, if I dont cover my hair, if I marry out of my religon I won't go to heaven.. so thats y.. just so confused.. been reading up a lot about religon lately

[*jaanam*]

If being a good human being but not doing everything else is living a life of sin.. then I don't know..

[jibran251]

I was wondering if anyone has converted into a diff. religion than what they were brought up in??
Nah ... :wiggle:



Have you looked into other religions ???

[*jaanam*]

Nah ... :wiggle:



Have you looked into other religions ???
I been reading a lot about Islam.. and Sikhism.. (today is labor day and Im stuck at work doing absolutely nothing) so I figured I just read about things..

[longjohnsilver]

yeah.. I just wanted to see if it goes on that much or not.. It just seems to me that ppl follow whatever there parents teach them but I was wondering if you ever wonder to yourself "what do I really believe"... do you believe in your religion because you have to.. or is it really truely coming from your heart
You should follow your heart. Not following your heart is only being unfaithful to yourself. You have your own grey matter so I'm sure you can utilise it as one of the God's of the various religions intended... or so one could argue... be true to yourself and everything else will fall in place. [/deep... deep]

[*jaanam*]

I mean I like what I am reading about Sikhism. Its all about humanity and stuff.. Peace of mind. Being a good human being.. I think some of my views and ideas match more closely with other religions than my own... If I am living my life in sin by not doing what Im suppose to then I rather be part of a religion which I believe competely from my heart.. I dont want to force myself to pray, to wear a scarf, and to be with a muslim person just because thats what i am supposed to do.. cuz if its not from the heart.. if you dont really mean it.. then why do it? Right???

[Beefcake]

I mean I like what I am reading about Sikhism. Its all about humanity and stuff.. Peace of mind. Being a good human being.. I think some of my views and ideas match more closely with other religions than my own... If I am living my life in sin by not doing what Im suppose to then I rather be part of a religion which I believe competely from my heart.. I dont want to force myself to pray, to wear a scarf, and to be with a muslim person just because thats what i am supposed to do.. cuz if its not from the heart.. if you dont really mean it.. then why do it? Right???

What religion are you now?

[*jaanam*]

What religion are you now?
muslim

[notoriou$punjabi]

yeah.. see my belief is that if you are a good human being you will go to heaven. However my religion says that if I dont pray, if I dont cover my hair, if I marry out of my religon I won't go to heaven.. so thats y.. just so confused.. been reading up a lot about religon lately


If you have practice the morals/human values taught then life itself becomes hevanly.
That to me is the real happiness.

Ramadan comes only once a year but most muslims practice those laws all year long. As in not drinking/beating women/....so forth.

Many hindus practice Ahimsa(non-violence) & have lived lifetimes preaching it.

I don't preach what i haven't applied to myself first.
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

[*jaanam*]

See thats the thing, I don't practice everything I'm supposed to. I do pray but not 5 times a day and not the way I am supposed to. I pray b4 I sleep laying in bed, I pray in my heart if Im worried.. I believe there is one God that has no shape and form. I believe that you don't have to be muslim to go to heaven you just have to be a good human being no matter what religion you are.

[jibran251]

I been reading a lot about Islam.. and Sikhism.. (today is labor day and Im stuck at work doing absolutely nothing) so I figured I just read about things..
Usually the information you get in books is biased ...


Um are the authors M<uslim or Sikh :scratch:

[Beefcake]

See thats the thing, I don't practice everything I'm supposed to. I do pray but not 5 times a day and not the way I am supposed to. I pray b4 I sleep laying in bed, I pray in my heart if Im worried.. I believe there is one God that has no shape and form. I believe that you don't have to be muslim to go to heaven you just have to be a good human being no matter what religion you are.

Have a read of Guru Nanaks teachings - you don't just have to be Sikh to follow them. He emphasized the value of truthful worship and how pointless it is to perform ritual worship.

Even if you pray once a month, as long as its from the heart, it would still amount to more than 10 years of ritual worship.

[Space-Cowboy]

See thats the thing, I don't practice everything I'm supposed to. I do pray but not 5 times a day and not the way I am supposed to. I pray b4 I sleep laying in bed, I pray in my heart if Im worried.. I believe there is one God that has no shape and form. I believe that you don't have to be muslim to go to heaven you just have to be a good human being no matter what religion you are.


Sikhi emphasizes meditation rather than blind worship. As does Buddhism and Jainism. Sanatani does have 'worship', but it's not 'blind', and again the emphasis is more to facilitate meditation and self realization rather than 'appeasing a god'.



Either way, even from a dualistic perspective of God that you have, I doubt an All Powerful Entity really cares about 'worship'. In fact, there's no reason to assume that 'God' is the source of morals either. Just be a 'good human being' because you'll probably make the most of life through those means rather than deceit and selfishness.

[Beefcake]

Sikhi emphasizes meditation rather than blind worship. As does Buddhism and Jainism. Sanatani does have 'worship', but it's not 'blind', and again the emphasis is more to facilitate meditation and self realization rather than 'appeasing a god'.



Either way, even from a dualistic perspective of God that you have, I doubt an All Powerful Entity really cares about 'worship'. In fact, there's no reason to assume that 'God' is the source of morals either. Just be a 'good human being' because you'll probably make the most of life through those means rather than deceit and selfishness.

So whats meditation to you? Some Sikhs will sit for hours and hours just reciting God's name. Thats never done anything for me.

Meditation for me is just being in a day-dream and thinking about God. Thats what I find to be most effective.

[*jaanam*]

Have a read of Guru Nanaks teachings - you don't just have to be Sikh to follow them. He emphasized the value of truthful worship and how pointless it is to perform ritual worship.

Even if you pray once a month, as long as its from the heart, it would still amount to more than 10 years of ritual worship.
yeah I have been reading parts of things.. Thats what really attracts me to Sikhism. Things I read really give you a peace of mind. Nothing is forced upon you basically.

[*jaanam*]

just out of curiosity, why did you choose "hellfire" as your username?
it looks cool..itz just fire.. the hellfire iz in ur mind :P

[Space-Cowboy]

So whats meditation to you? Some Sikhs will sit for hours and hours just reciting God's name. Thats never done anything for me.

Meditation for me is just being in a day-dream and thinking about God. Thats what I find to be most effective.


Just reciting isn't meditation.... sincerity would have to be involved, it can't be forced, it has to come from within... :blink: It's be no different than a guy just chanting Om for hours on end just for the sake of it.... wouldn't do anything for him either.

[Beefcake]

yeah I have been reading parts of things.. Thats what really attracts me to Sikhism. Things I read really give you a peace of mind. Nothing is forced upon you basically.

True. Just stay away from a bunch of Sikhs who are under the banner of AKJ. They're the Taliban of our religion ;-)

[*jaanam*]

True. Just stay away from a bunch of Sikhs who are under the banner of AKJ. They're the Taliban of our religion ;-)
lol

[*jaanam*]

nothing was forced upon you either, since you've already offered that you have your own ways of praying, and that you haven't been "subdued" to the point where you were unable to develop your own views on religious matters, which you have, obviously.
In muslim culture you technically are forced to pray because you don't have a choice if you want to or not.. you kind of have to.. just like fasting.. after 10/12 you have to fast its not really a choice.. basically thats what I mean you're not really given a choice

[soladylike]

In muslim culture you technically are forced to pray because you don't have a choice if you want to or not.. you kind of have to.. just like fasting.. after 10/12 you have to fast its not really a choice.. basically thats what I mean you're not really given a choice

That's how subcontinental Muslims practice Islam. However, most of the time it's blind faith and that is a sin in Islam. In other words, there IS a choice. So go study and understand Islam before you practice it.
If you are being forced to pray the 5 prayers then chances are your mind and heart are not really in them either. Am I right?
Perhaps you should start out first by understanding the personality of Allah in Islam. Start out by understanding His names, what they mean, and how each name of His represents each aspect of His personality. Then gradually you can make your way to understanding why we have been commanded to pray 5 times a day and what the surahs and duas we recite during prayer mean. It is very important that you understand what you're reciting when you pray.
There is a choice hon. Don't let anyone force you into following a religion.

[*jaanam*]

What do you mean? How can you force a person to fast? How can you force a person to pray? How can you force a woman to wear hijaab? You can't, obviously, because a lot of muslims these days dont do these things as it is to begin with. Similarly, a good amount of sikh men cut their hair and don't wear a turban, but regardless of what people may or may not think, to not cut ones hair is a sacrament for males in that particular religion...so what?

and what is muslim "culture," exactly?
When I said forced I didn't mean literally FORCE. For example: In the Quran it says muslims need to pray 5 times a day. If you don't basically you go 2 hell. Its like if you skip the morning prayer snakes will bite u and if u skip another prayer somethin else will happen.. Basically if you don't pray, and you don't cover your head, and you don't fast you are not a good muslim and you will most likely go to hell for your sins. If you wear things that expose your arms and legs, if you drink, if you eat pork you will go to hell. However, In sikhism it does not state how many times you need to pray per day, it does not give you any restrictions of the kind given to muslims. Thats what I meant that you are expected to do all these things listed in order to be a good muslim that will go to heaven.

[*jaanam*]

Also why are muslims like the only ones going around trying to convert every1 into Islam. At first wen ppl would say that 2 me I would get really pissed off. But today after searching online for things it's actually true. Someone told me that muslim guys were trapping hindu/sikh girls in their so called love and forcefully converting them later beating them and torturing them. When I heard that I was like WTF thats not true they're just trying to make muslims look bad. Today when I looked online I actually saw it myself. I was shocked.. like WHOA... Its actually going on..

[*~MuFFiN~*]

my g-ma converted from christianity to islam way back
i think shes the only convert in my family

[*jaanam*]

my g-ma converted from christianity to islam way back
i think shes the only convert in my family
so ur christian?? thats cool.. I meet very few desi christian ppl

[*~MuFFiN~*]

so ur christian?? thats cool.. I meet very few desi christian ppl
no?

she converted FROM christianity...TO islam


im muslim =)

[*jaanam*]

no?

she converted FROM christianity...TO islam


im muslim =)
ohhh okay

[soladylike]

Also why are muslims like the only ones going around trying to convert every1 into Islam. At first wen ppl would say that 2 me I would get really pissed off. But today after searching online for things it's actually true. Someone told me that muslim guys were trapping hindu/sikh girls in their so called love and forcefully converting them later beating them and torturing them. When I heard that I was like WTF thats not true they're just trying to make muslims look bad. Today when I looked online I actually saw it myself. I was shocked.. like WHOA... Its actually going on..

*sigh*
There are all kinds of fanatics out there. I was dissuaded from Islam by different types of bad Muslims as well when I was a teenager.
Research the religion and its founders. Not majority of the current followers. Continue praying in your own way to God to guide you to the right path. Keep faith in God and you will be guided to the right way that is good for you.

[*jaanam*]

*sigh*
There are all kinds of fanatics out there. I was dissuaded from Islam by different types of bad Muslims as well when I was a teenager.
Research the religion and its founders. Not majority of the current followers. Continue praying in your own way to God to guide you to the right path. Keep faith in God and you will be guided to the right way that is good for you.
so did you decide to stick with the religion or move 2 something that matches ur views

[soladylike]

so did you decide to stick with the religion or move 2 something that matches ur views

I researched Islam on my own. But through books at the local bookstore. Not the internet. I was pleasantly surprised to see how different Islam really was from what I would see people practicing in Pakistan and at different mosques here. And it turned out to be easy to follow once I started to figure WHY we are supposed to do what we are commanded to do.
Without understanding the "why", any religion will seem nonsensical to follow.

[*jaanam*]

Where in the Qur'aan does it say that you'll go to hell if you don't pray 5 times a day? As a matter of fact, where in the Qur'aan does it say that you'll go to hell for doing any of those things? Can you please show me? Why haven't you chosen to focus on what the Qur'aan says about Allah's(swt) mercy, instead of focusing on the aspects that you seem to not be so particularly fond of?

Allah(Swt) lays down laws as a mercy for us, and to honor us as individuals, not to burden us...if you feel burdened by what you're enjoined to do, then who's fault is that, really? Is it the fault of Islaam? What about all those people who DON'T feel burdened?

Islaam is not just about rules and rituals, it is about much more...I don't think you've really given it that much thought.
Here you go:
Koran 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”
Koran 88:6 “They shall have no food but a poisonous plant with bitter thorns, which will neither nourish nor satisfy hunger.”
Koran 90:19 “But those who reject Our Signs, Proofs, and Verses, they are the unhappy Companions of the Left Hand. Fire will be their awning, vaulting over them.”
Koran 66:6 “Believers! Save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, over which are angels stern (and) severe as wardens, who flinch not (from executing) the commands they receive from Allah, but do (precisely) what they are commanded.”

[Punjabi_Link]

True. Just stay away from a bunch of Sikhs who are under the banner of AKJ. They're the Taliban of our religion ;-)

I hate those AKJ bitches a lot. :mad:

[*jaanam*]

Koran 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”
Koran 4:114 “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.”

[*jaanam*]

Those verses are general references to the the hellfire, and the punishment of the wicked. They have nothing to do with muslims who don't fulfill every religious obligation, like you stated.

You're username is jaanam, and you spell Qur'aan with a K?

You not even real, stop it....
Genius I spell QURAN however the place I got the info from I just copy pasted it thats how they spelt it... gosh

[*jaanam*]

Read the previous messages if ur having sucha hard time understanding

[*jaanam*]

Those verses are general references to the the hellfire, and the punishment of the wicked. They have nothing to do with muslims who don't fulfill every religious obligation, like you stated.

You're username is jaanam, and you spell Qur'aan with a K?

You not even real, stop it....
One more thing, what does my username have to do with the Quran.. lol.. wow... its gettin late 4 u.. dont u think

[*jaanam*]

And if I'm not real then I assume you're talking to a pre programmed robot that is sitting here at this big glowing bright thing I think you humans call it a monitor.. just typing away asking if someone has converted because me being the robot that I am might want to be more like you humans.. right... lol... haha.... stupid

[Space-Cowboy]

Genius I spell QURAN however the place I got the info from I just copy pasted it thats how they spelt it... gosh

If you really want to research Islam, RD isn't the best place for it. Might I suggest:

http://www.zaytuna.org/about.asp


If you do want to commit to Islam in a sincere way, being forced into blind worship won't help. Instead I would suggest delving into Sufism, which is essentially the spiritual/philosophical depths of Islam.

[*jaanam*]

The "places" that spell koran with a "K" are usually christian-run Islaam hate sites, who do you think you're fooling?
Even if they are the versus aren't lieing are they?

Heres the site though.. I just googled it. http://terrorismwillose.tf.funpic.org/..lol

Muslims make other muslims look bad by becoming terrorists

[*jaanam*]

If you really want to research Islam, RD isn't the best place for it. Might I suggest:

http://www.zaytuna.org/about.asp


If you do want to commit to Islam in a sincere way, being forced into blind worship won't help. Instead I would suggest delving into Sufism, which is essentially the spiritual/philosophical depths of Islam.
Thanks but I was researching more into Sikhism. I am already muslim but I just don't believe some things that are taught in Islam thats why Im going through this whole thing on trying to figure out what is best.

[*jaanam*]

useless junk and flame.
you're just mad bcz wherever I have seen you post you preach Islam

[Space-Cowboy]

Thanks but I was researching more into Sikhism. I am already muslim but I just don't believe some things that are taught in Islam thats why Im going through this whole thing on trying to figure out what is best.


Ahh.. well, go to your local Gurudwara if there is one in your city and speak with the scholars there.

[*jaanam*]

Ahh.. well, go to your local Gurudwara if there is one in your city and speak with the scholars there.
yeah I go 2 gurdwara frequently.. The Giani Ji iz comin over 2morrow.. I will ask him questions then..

[Space-Cowboy]

yeah I go 2 gurdwara frequently.. The Giani Ji iz comin over 2morrow.. I will ask him questions then..


Kool. Well one thing you have to realize about Sikhi is that the concept of Waheguru Ji is different from the dualistic separate entity type God that watches you from above. Waheguru Ji isn't a 'persona' in that way [the way that God in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is portrayed]. Instead, Waheguru Ji is the Absolute Non-Dual Ultimate Reality of Existence and Non existence. It is the sum-total of Reality. Everything you see around you, including every particle that makes up your body is, ultimately both and existent and nonexistent part and parcel of that One Reality, that One Superconcious, Waheguru Ji.

If that makes sense.

[TYPE_R_GINO]

:no:

[soladylike]

Those verses are general references to the the hellfire, and the punishment of the wicked. They have nothing to do with muslims who don't fulfill every religious obligation, like you stated.

You're username is jaanam, and you spell Qur'aan with a K?

You not even real, stop it....

Jaanam means "darling". I think you're thinking of "jahanam" which means hellfire.

[huslterking121]

Hi Janaam

I agree with you, alot of muslims lie, when it comes to conversion of other faiths to islam |(especially Sikh/hindu girls) as u stated.

This website is designed for sikh awareness, and the islamic extremist threat is too real. Hence the reason this website is designed.

http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/


nice article i thought u could read.
Reason Is The King Reason is the King (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/reason_is_king.htm)

[soladylike]

Here you go:
Koran 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”
Koran 88:6 “They shall have no food but a poisonous plant with bitter thorns, which will neither nourish nor satisfy hunger.”
Koran 90:19 “But those who reject Our Signs, Proofs, and Verses, they are the unhappy Companions of the Left Hand. Fire will be their awning, vaulting over them.”
Koran 66:6 “Believers! Save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, over which are angels stern (and) severe as wardens, who flinch not (from executing) the commands they receive from Allah, but do (precisely) what they are commanded.”

Koran 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”
Koran 4:114 “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.”

If you read the Quran like that you will never be able to understand it. You need to read the Quran and its translation with tafseer. A Quranic tafseer will give you the translation of the verse, the explanation of the verse and it will also give you the historical background of the Surah itself. That is how most people study the Quran when they want to learn the religion. The context in which the verses were revealed is extremely important when it comes to understanding the verses of the Quran. The Quranic tafseer teaches you all of that as well as how the verse should be applied in today's times.
The reason I say this is because most people turn away from Islam based on a few things they have heard other Muslims say or do which are usually contrary to Islam. In Islam being a good person is way more important than JUST following the 5 pillars of Islam. You can pray 5 times a day, fast all you want, and recite the Quran but if you are not kind to others and help humanity, all that is baseless. The prayers, fasts, and recitation is assigned to help strengthen you spiritually. But if you do not have a basic understanding of Islam's spirituality then the prayers, fasts, and recitation are all useless and they will feel like a chore and you'll get sick of them.
Islam tells you to question the religion and research it before you start following it. It strictly forbids you to follow the religion just because your parents were Muslim meaning blind faith is a huge no no in Islam.
If you Google for Islam, the first page will mostly be filled with anti Islamic or extremist sites. That's why I trust books more than websites. I have come across only three sites that offer good articles and explanations on Islam. One is the Zaytuna Institute link that Space-Cowboy gave. The other two are www.soundvision.com (http://www.soundvision.com) and www.muslimbridges.org (http://www.muslimbridges.org/).

I really hope God guides you to the right path and religion you're heart is looking for :)

[BilalisPakistani]

Ban!

[harddkaur]

Ban!

Edit*

[LAKERFAN8]

I am without a real religion I guess, I made up my own and believe random thangs. :hs: I will just say I am Sikh though cuz its kewl.

[BilalisPakistani]

Shut up. You are just getting insecure that I (s)expose you
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/dankydank/untitled.jpg

[TYPE_R_GINO]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/dankydank/untitled.jpg


hahahah.....she edited her post :p :p

[gkumar]

i grew up in a hindu family but converted to agnostic/atheist back in 9th grade..but i still go on with my suspension of disbelief by going to the temple with my mom.

ive come to realize my religion now relys on what makes others happy and going along with it.. contrary to my inquisitive nature.

[BilalisPakistani]

Relax - It is just pulled up from the net
Lol what did you edit for?

Pussy.

:p

[TYPE_R_GINO]

Lol what did you edit for?

Pussy.

:p


lol.....did she say she wants to 'sex u up'? :p :p

[harddkaur]

Lol what did you edit for?

Pussy.

:p

I just thought that it was inappropriate

[TYPE_R_GINO]

I just thought that it was inappropriate



well u got banned none the least

so i hope that it was worth it :p :p :p

[BilalisPakistani]

Aww did she really get banned?

I miss her. :(

[TYPE_R_GINO]

Aww did she really get banned?

I miss her. :(


hardkaur is gone

now hard core kaur is here to pick up her remainings?? :sarb:

[TYPE_R_GINO]

or maybe she isnt affiliated with hardkaur

[sal33na]

nah never would convert but know quite a few people who have converted to islam

[chingchingching]

Ok i researched it.

It's based on perspective, the Quran does not say KILL THE PERSON if they abandon Islam.

But yes it says whoever converts to another religion from islam will burn in hell.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_apos.htm

So basically whoever said i think shar'iah Law, which is basically what the prophet followed and believed from the Quran, is wrong and shouldn't talk without being 100% sure.

[sal33na]

what are apostates???????

[chingchingching]

what are apostates???????


the people who convert.

[sal33na]

yes i heard that they just go to hell you dont have to kill them end of the day its up to god to decide whos a sinner and who isnt...its not upto us to judge

[lil_gangsta_]

ma X was abt to convert but we brokeup for other reason , shame she ill nt convert nw

[Z4K5T4R]

I've seen it spelled that way on pro-christian sites that bash Islaam, that's why I asked her. Her angle is mad fishy to me, I'm not really buying what she has to say.
Could eevn be a HE someone that is already on the Forums but with different username. They seem completely reluctant to see a different view of Islam.

[SeXy^Shorty]

My granddad converted from Christianity to Islam. My mum followed.

[desirably_Beauty]

I know many afghans who have converted into christianity

[not-now]

my grandma converted from hinduism to islam

[not-now]

Islaam is reeaalll heavy in philly.

so heavy that the tradition for men not to wear pants that hang past the ankles is becoming the "style" over there....everywhere you go in philly, especially in the ghetto, you see dudes rockin' either capri's, or cut off jeans.

everybody rocks the full beard too.


lol awesome :eek:

[sal33na]

sounds pretty cool

[chingchingching]

It's best not to trust a website named "religious tolerance" when trying to determine what the Qur'an-Sharif says about a certain issue. There will be a tendency to pick out "softer" verses and ignoring the more stern aggressive ones.


thts not the only website i referrenced, i just posted that cos it seemed easiest to understand to non muslims aswell.

[not-now]

this thread is pretty interesting to read .I will probably get flamed for this but i'm kinda agreeing with z4kstar and sugarhillsides I'm not sure i believe her .Seems kinda odd for a muslim to be believe a google search which brings up islam hate sites at the top and reading only the hellfire quotes for rulebreakers but ignoring the countless ones that talk about how god loves those who try to please him or rewards for good people in the next life.

[teradulha]

let her live people... while your doing your reading please please read up on the history sikhism from the starting.... the life of the founder of the religion.

lol i still remember in a history class i took, this jewish profesor told the class sikhism is an evolved/fusion of islam and hinduism/janism. ohh man this Sikh gurl was like no, thats wrong... lol profesor was like hmm what do u mean no?, she was like well i dont believe it...he was like ok, but make sure u remember my version for the test... lol

dont you hate it when people use quotes that are out of context? And how people just blindly follow them, its sad.

Ohh who saw the three part special on CNN God's Holy warriors... ?

[not-now]

let her live people... while your doing your reading please please read up on the history sikhism from the starting.... the life of the founder of the religion.

lol i still remember in a history class i took, this jewish profesor told the class sikhism is an evolved/fusion of islam and hinduism/janism. ohh man this Sikh gurl was like no, thats wrong... lol profesor was like hmm what do u mean no?, she was like well i dont believe it...he was like ok, but make sure u remember my version for the test... lol

dont you hate it when people use quotes that are out of context? And how people just blindly follow them, its sad.

Ohh who saw the three part special on CNN God's Holy warriors... ?


yeah thats what our religion teacher told us too but there were no sikh people in our class so we didn't really know if it was accurate.

[teradulha]

yeah thats what our religion teacher told us too but there were no sikh people in our class so we didn't really know if it was accurate.


the sarrow, i think he also pointed out the fact that Guru Nanak Dev Ji traveled to mecca with his teacher/friend ect ect, you know try to blend in the story...lol

the sikhs i know they'll make u laugh, funny ass characters

[Space-Cowboy]

I wouldn't suggest www.zaytuna.org either; I find that they're extremely apologetic at least outwardly. This doesn't mean their scholars are bad but they seemed to have a policy of trying to be wishy-washy about some issues intentionally to be able to create a better public spotlight.

There's nothing wishy washy about them. I'm not quite sure what you mean. The institute focuses on deep spiritual Islam. From what I understand, Sheikh Hamza Yusuf practices Sufism himself; i.e. deeply spiritual Islamic science.

[Z4K5T4R]

There's nothing wishy washy about them. I'm not quite sure what you mean. The institute focuses on deep spiritual Islam. From what I understand, Sheikh Hamza Yusuf practices Sufism himself; i.e. deeply spiritual Islamic science.There's this thing about him - some of the Scientifical things he mentions in his books aren't supposed to be great for some apparent reason.....heard from a good mate that does alot of research into Islam sent me some link about him and he's Works... but my memory is letting me down at the current moment.

i've got quite few books on him but just doesn't click on me.

[Space-Cowboy]

I actually know several scholars from this institution and discussed these matters one-on-one; they're good scholars but heavily bent on apologetics. This is unwritten policy for them. The Institute itself primarily focuses on Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) and not tasawwuf(Islamic Spirituality); although that may have an underpinning of a more pleasant atmosphere than say a more rigorous Salafi routine. The School does not perform instruction in Tasawwuf. Shaikh Hamza Yusuf does have several books relating to an aspect of Tasawwuf called "tazkiyah"; but this emphasizes the importance of abandoning worldly urges and desires like lust , fame , material wealth etc etc. Not the Spiritual Mysticism you seem to be expecting.

I'll look into it. Meanwhile you might be interested in this documentary based on Al Ghazali: Alchemist of Happiness:

b1CCpXdtEeA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCfMo9AGTD0&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUydz-IvcXo&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GXyIYkl_Ig&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWwrP_dweU4&mode=related&search=

[there's 8 parts, just follow the link to the remaining 3]

[blazeonthehaze]

i practice voodoo along with catholicism :yes:

[nayeemx33]

...

[Bengal!z]

i wana convert to sikhism

[King Ghidra]

I'm a satanist

[Bengal!z]

I'm a satanist

yes i too hate religion's restrictions on the natural impulses of man.

[King Ghidra]

yes i too hate religion's restrictions on the natural impulses of man.

Quite ironic, make a religion about hating religion.

[not-now]

Hi Janaam

I agree with you, alot of muslims lie, when it comes to conversion of other faiths to islam |(especially Sikh/hindu girls) as u stated.

This website is designed for sikh awareness, and the islamic extremist threat is too real. Hence the reason this website is designed.

http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/


nice article i thought u could read.
Reason Is The King Reason is the King (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/reason_is_king.htm)


I just read your link and what a load B.S nothing but propoganda about islam.Use a credible 3rd party source next time if you wanna talk conversion.

[Luvin_It]

no if i did..my parents would kill me lol !

[SerenityNow]

I converted to Judaism upon witnessing the spectacle that is "Borat...."

[not-now]

I converted to Judaism upon witnessing the spectacle that is "Borat...."


lol that elderly jewish couple were lovely I felt bad for them :(

[Luvin_It]

I converted to Judaism upon witnessing the spectacle that is "Borat...."

:lol:

[crzyabcd]

yeah.. see my belief is that if you are a good human being you will go to heaven. However my religion says that if I dont pray, if I dont cover my hair, if I marry out of my religon I won't go to heaven.. so thats y.. just so confused.. been reading up a lot about religon lately

islam is really nazi hahha. to many rules.

[not-now]

islam is really nazi hahha. to many rules.

well it's not a wishy-washy religion :p

[Space-Cowboy]

I know its crazy ..for real yo ....it teaches you the principles of practically every aspect of life ...man that leaves no room for egocentric indulgences ..those National Socialists(Nazis).

You don't need religion to have the self control to moderate your life.

[not-now]

You don't need religion to have the self control to moderate your life.


some people do it's often religion that keeps people from going off the rails.I think thats part of what i like about islam even if you don't need it ,it gives guidance for all aspects of life just goes to show it's not just a religion but indeed also a way of life. .

[CashMoneyHoes]

Thats strange because its usually the opposite; especially in Fremont California there is tension between the Sikh and Afghan communities because Sikh girls running away with Afghan men and often converting. It's even in news articles in that area. I'll see if I can find some.
ahaha fremont? fremont out in here in the bay area? ahaha I lived here for the last 10 years and haven't ever heard of one case of that happening. MANNN people bullshit on forums so much, whats new?

[*jaanam*]

I can't believe some people are like "she's not real" search my username and see the posts I have made in the past.. buncha BS pissin me off tellin me I'm not real.. wtf. Anyway, I have just been very iffy abt religion lately... Everytime I asked like a muslim teacher a ques they usually don't have anything 2 justify it.. Plus I've noticed that muslims are more narrow minded than ppl from other religions. My husbands family loves me 2 death and never once made me realize that I'm muslim. They actually take part in everything that I do. Whereas muslim ppl are like OMG you are sinning. Seriously, we need to get out of our bubbles and be more accepting

[ancient_warrior]

I would rather fight till death than to convert to a another religion. Fucck that.

It's the belief that counts not some ceremony or new name that U get from new religion.

But then again, conversion is a fucckin joke to me. I think it's pusssy shiit. Back in tha days, many ppl converted bcoz they were scared to die. Fucckin cowards.

I don't believe in religions that emphasize or force conversion on others.

I suggest you stay out of fanatic religions that emphasize conversion. Don't let them sneaky and sleazy bastards decieve and fool U into their lame asss religion.

Just believe in God, be good, charity, etc. and U will be fine. Doesn't matter what religion. ;)

[KurtaPyjama]

yes, to islam.

[ancient_warrior]

yes, to islam.

she is already a muslim :rolleyes:

[KurtaPyjama]

she is already a muslim :rolleyes:

i meant me, u brainiac.

[ancient_warrior]

i meant me, u brainiac.

What were U before?

[*jaanam*]

I would rather fight till death than to convert to a another religion. Fucck that.

It's the belief that counts not some ceremony or new name that U get from new religion.

But then again, conversion is a fucckin joke to me. I think it's pusssy shiit. Back in tha days, many ppl converted bcoz they were scared to die. Fucckin cowards.

I don't believe in religions that emphasize or force conversion on others.

I suggest you stay out of fanatic religions that emphasize conversion. Don't let them sneaky and sleazy bastards decieve and fool U into their lame asss religion.

Just believe in God, be good, charity, etc. and U will be fine. Doesn't matter what religion. ;)

I agree

[Space-Cowboy]

But you need religion to have it correspond to the primal reality which forges existence. Self Control for Self Control's sake is as bad as unchecked indulgence.

You assume there is one, neza, more importantly, you assume that this primal force, if such exists, is a conscious one. Neither one need be the case.

[doaly69]

i converted from white to wholemeal bread

[vgirl]

random.
she has a fair question, and half the people are out there questioning whether she's fake.
anyway, i didn't convert, but i was brought up exposed to two 'faiths', i chose to follow hinduism.

[Z4K5T4R]

random.
she has a fair question, and half the people are out there questioning whether she's fake.
anyway, i didn't convert, but i was brought up exposed to two 'faiths', i chose to follow hinduism.
Well, we're not saying she defintely is Fake. However, she is completely against listening to the answers to her questions about certain things and just too stubborn to learn bit more about Islam through reserach rather than mere internet serach and words of others.


If this was another religion being question - it would have been junked. And the person most probably banned.

[jumpn jza]

I converted from catholicism to voodoo

[ermsomething]

I was wondering if anyone has converted into a diff. religion than what they were brought up in??
I dont agree with conversion but if u feel and think another religion makes more sense to you then you should go ahead...but if your converting for someone then its pointless even converting because you dont believe in anything really

[*jaanam*]

Im not critisizing Islam. My family and every1 in my family are 101% muslim. Just lately I don't feel that it is the right religion for me. I'm not saying that all muslims are bad. There are good and bad everywhere. So to all the muslims out there I'm not hammering on you!!!

[not-now]

The "Hindu Girls being forcefully converted" part gave you away; please stop trying.

:werd:
thats the what also made me suspicious :think:
I've only seen extremist sikhs/hindus spread those rumuors but I don't any muslim that would sprout that propoganda about us.
Forceful conversion is impossible anyway to be muslim you have to believe in certain things from your heart and that's something only the person can do.

[*jaanam*]

The "Hindu Girls being forcefully converted" part gave you away; please stop trying.
Ok... seriously you guys needa stop living in fairyland world.. The reason I mentioned that is cuz my husband is sikh and when we went to Gurudwara a couple weeks ago someone had left these papers there on the table. I picked it up and read it and I was like omg.. wtf that can't be true. I got really pissed off and showed my mother in law and she said not to worry about it and people are stupid making a big deal just because they want to create troubles. So they have this comment box there at Gurudwara and I wrote that if someone finds papers like that in Gurudwara they should find out who it is because it's not right to discriminate against other religions especially in a holy place. So I forgot about the situation like at that point. Then a couple days ago I was just looking online and I came across a British newspaper headline that said that Hindus being forced to convert to Islam. So I read that and I was shocked. So I was like whoa.. that shyt really happens?? Thats y I got all creeped out about it cuz I didn't think that kind of stuff goes on anymore.. maybe cuz u dont hear about it.. I dont know..

[*jaanam*]

For those of you that think Im fake.. you should just go search for my username and see the threads i have made... freakfaces..pissin me off...lol.. jk :wavey:

[Madrion]

Ok... seriously you guys needa stop living in fairyland world.. The reason I mentioned that is cuz my husband is sikh and when we went to Gurudwara a couple weeks ago someone had left these papers there on the table. I picked it up and read it and I was like omg.. wtf that can't be true. I got really pissed off and showed my mother in law and she said not to worry about it and people are stupid making a big deal just because they want to create troubles. So they have this comment box there at Gurudwara and I wrote that if someone finds papers like that in Gurudwara they should find out who it is because it's not right to discriminate against other religions especially in a holy place. So I forgot about the situation like at that point. Then a couple days ago I was just looking online and I came across a British newspaper headline that said that Hindus being forced to convert to Islam. So I read that and I was shocked. So I was like whoa.. that shyt really happens?? Thats y I got all creeped out about it cuz I didn't think that kind of stuff goes on anymore.. maybe cuz u dont hear about it.. I dont know..


you do realize that the promise of heaven and 72 virgins and what not for anyone who increases the umma is too much for anyone with a pea brain to pass up? so no muslim here or else where is going to be perceptive to you talking about converting out of islam even if you feel that your own convictions are not totally in tune with the religion you were born into. you will only be labelled as fake, liar and everything else....so i woudnt bother trying to convince others about your authenticity cos frankly as long as you dont outright come and hail allah, you will only be declared fake again and again....

and to your initial question, i was born hindu but i have since delved more in the meditational(almost atheistic but not quite) aspects of the religion rather than the mainstream seemingly polytheistic religion. i consider this a conversion

[*jaanam*]

you do realize that the promise of heaven and 72 virgins and what not for anyone who increases the umma is too much for anyone with a pea brain to pass up? so no muslim here or else where is going to be perceptive to you talking about converting out of islam even if you feel that your own convictions are not totally in tune with the religion you were born into. you will only be labelled as fake, liar and everything else....so i woudnt bother trying to convince others about your authenticity cos frankly as long as you dont outright come and hail allah, you will only be declared fake again and again....

and to your initial question, i was born hindu but i have since delved more in the meditational(almost atheistic but not quite) aspects of the religion rather than the mainstream seemingly polytheistic religion. i consider this a conversion
yeah I guess you're right .. I hate when people judge you when they don't even know you.. :o

[Space-Cowboy]

No assumption ; I've directly experienced it. In much the same manner as your Upanishads recommend.

Right, but experience is meaningless in light of evidence and reason. Don't get me wrong, I find Vedic Philosophy and Eastern spiritualities: Hinduism/Sanatani, Sikhi, Buddhi, Jaina, Tao, Confucus, Shinto, Chinese Trad., et. al. all quite elegant. And in fact I find Sufi, Gnosticism, and Kaballah quite elegant as well. But I would never put any of these on even remotely the same caliber as science.

[vgirl]

Well, we're not saying she defintely is Fake. However, she is completely against listening to the answers to her questions about certain things and just too stubborn to learn bit more about Islam through reserach rather than mere internet serach and words of others.


If this was another religion being question - it would have been junked. And the person most probably banned.
actually, i don't agree with your last sentence. i'm pretty sure that if this was another religion it still wouldn't be junked/banned. thats because most of the other religions represented on this site (i.e. sikhi, hinduism) work on a pleuralistic model where all paths lead to the same truth.

she seems already to be set in her thoughts about islam and perhaps not necessarily taking her knowledge from the right sources. however, if she wants to think like this about it, she can. it doesnt mean that its right. it seems like she is not suited to what the religion requires from its followers.

[Z4K5T4R]

Ok... seriously you guys needa stop living in fairyland world.. The reason I mentioned that is cuz my husband is sikh and when we went to Gurudwara a couple weeks ago someone had left these papers there on the table. I picked it up and read it and I was like omg.. wtf that can't be true. I got really pissed off and showed my mother in law and she said not to worry about it and people are stupid making a big deal just because they want to create troubles. So they have this comment box there at Gurudwara and I wrote that if someone finds papers like that in Gurudwara they should find out who it is because it's not right to discriminate against other religions especially in a holy place. So I forgot about the situation like at that point. Then a couple days ago I was just looking online and I came across a British newspaper headline that said that Hindus being forced to convert to Islam. So I read that and I was shocked. So I was like whoa.. that shyt really happens?? Thats y I got all creeped out about it cuz I didn't think that kind of stuff goes on anymore.. maybe cuz u dont hear about it.. I dont know..To me you sound like a bimbo, who doesn't know anything about any religions to begin with. And to say you're married to a Sikh kind of makes me wonder if you had your heart set to Islam to begin with. You sound to me like as if you are a 16yr old girl believes what she read, believes what she sees and follows the crowd.

Yes, most of us have heard about it and if you knew anything about Islam even the basics of it, you would try and understand that you cannot be forced into a religion. You can have a gun put to your head to convert into Islam(or whichever religions) however to be in that religion you have to follow it whole heartly throughout life. that is what ''revert'' means. The person that put the gun to your head is highly unlikely to follow your whole life to see if you do follow Islam or not.

Most of these accusations are from other religious communities who's daughters (mostly likely to be) have married a Muslim Man and to stop from their reputation looking bad they make such accusations towards the Muslim community saying their daughter has been forced to convert. How ridiculous! Some stories might be true about so called Muslim guys luring Hindu or Sikhgirls for sexual reasons or whatever so but it is impossible to revert someone within few days. It takes a life sweet not few days to revert or as you would say convert.

[ziggazag]

I do not know why is this girl so confused? I only have her parents to blame, apparently she does not see the beauty of ISLAM. She claims that she isn't bashing Islam but all i hear her say is islam in intolerant, it forces you to do things la la la la la! Maybe she is married to some one from a different religion who knows!

But about Islam, did you know that nobody is a perfect muslim? All you have to do as a Muslim; this goes for every muslim out there is believe that you are going to heaven. And thats only possible if you try to do your best and be as good a muslim as you can be, leave the rest to Allah. You talk about the wrath of Allah but have you ever read the names of Allah and what they mean? Just by saying a particular name of Allah ( i don't have the book rightnow as i am at work) a few times all your previous sins are forgiven? There are so many Dua's and Allah is all about forgiving his beings he loves us more than anybody in this world, more than your parents love you. And Allah Knows we are humans we are here to make mistakes and are here to be confused at times, but if you know the beauty of islam and have some faith i am sure you'll know that this is the way.

[ziggazag]

To me you sound like a bimbo, who doesn't know anything about any religions to begin with. And to say you're married to a Sikh kind of makes me wonder if you had your heart set to Islam to begin with. You sound to me like as if you are a 16yr old girl believes what she read, believes what she sees and follows the crowd.

Yes, most of us have heard about it and if you knew anything about Islam even the basics of it, you would try and understand that you cannot be forced into a religion. You can have a gun put to your head to convert into Islam(or whichever religions) however to be in that religion you have to follow it whole heartly throughout life. that is what ''revert'' means. The person that put the gun to your head is highly unlikely to follow your whole life to see if you do follow Islam or not.

Most of these accusations are from other religious communities who's daughters (mostly likely to be) have married a Muslim Man and to stop from their reputation looking bad they make such accusations towards the Muslim community saying their daughter has been forced to convert. How ridiculous! Some stories might be true about so called Muslim guys luring Hindu or Sikhgirls for sexual reasons or whatever so but it is impossible to revert someone within few days. It takes a life sweet not few days to revert or as you would say convert.

I agree 100%. You miss Janam are a perfect example of why Islam never allows Muslim women to marry Non-muslim men. Not only you have lost the religion of Islam but i am sure your kids will be even more confused!

[Madrion]

I do not know why is this girl so confused? I only have her parents to blame, apparently she does not see the beauty of ISLAM. She claims that she isn't bashing Islam but all i hear her say is islam in intolerant, it forces you to do things la la la la la! Maybe she is married to some one from a different religion who knows!

But about Islam, did you know that nobody is a perfect muslim? All you have to do as a Muslim; this goes for every muslim out there is believe that you are going to heaven. And thats only possible if you try to do your best and be as good a muslim as you can be, leave the rest to Allah. You talk about the wrath of Allah but have you ever read the names of Allah and what they mean? Just by saying a particular name of Allah ( i don't have the book rightnow as i am at work) a few times all your previous sins are forgiven? There are so many Dua's and Allah is all about forgiving his beings he loves us more than anybody in this world, more than your parents love you. And Allah Knows we are humans we are here to make mistakes and are here to be confused at times, but if you know the beauty of islam and have some faith i am sure you'll know that this is the way.


haaahaahaa!!!!for some reason i found that read stupendously hilarious

[King Ghidra]

Wasn't allah a moon god?

:Paper:

[King Ghidra]

No



:)

Oh i must of read differently.

In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! (Islam, p. 7).

The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.

Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called "the daughters of Allah." These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Al-lah" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61)".

Obviously this is pre-islam.

I was lead to believe, allah was the god which Muhammed's tribe had worshipped, and once he united all the tribes all idols etc were destroyed and everyone started to believe in allah?

[King Ghidra]

IN pre-Islamic Arabia they Believed in Allah(swt) except they associated Partners With Him(shirk); All the various Deities of the Tribes were inside the Ka'aba; Muhammad(saw)'s tribe the Quraysh were the care-takers of the Ka'aba. Allah(swt) was identified as the Unmanifest Supreme Being who had an Empty Alter.

So are the deities still in the Ka'aba? Or it is empty? Or am i not allowed to know :p

[King Ghidra]

Well who knows now that the Infamous Al-Sa'ud family has hijacked everything. In principle they're not supposed to be there.

Well in principle alot of people aren't supposed to be where they are.

[ziggazag]

haaahaahaa!!!!for some reason i found that read stupendously hilarious
Of course You did!

[*jaanam*]

Now I know you're talking nonsense; the irony of mentioning Fairyland; Talking about a Sikh Husband as a counter balance To the Anxiety caused by the UNSUBSTANTIATED stories of Sikh/Hindu girls being Lured away by Muslim men.

It's not about judging someone we don't know; So don't hide behind that "victim of judgement" Smokescreen. It's about seeng a CLEAR Pattern Arising. That Pattern is someone who's suffering some inferiority complex based on some story made to create hysteria.

I doubt you're even a female.
AS I HAVE MENTIONED TIMES AND TIMES IF YOU REALLY DO DOUBT IT GO AND CHECK THE THREADS I HAVE MADE B4.. F*ING MORON PISSING ME OFF..

[*jaanam*]

I do not know why is this girl so confused? I only have her parents to blame, apparently she does not see the beauty of ISLAM. She claims that she isn't bashing Islam but all i hear her say is islam in intolerant, it forces you to do things la la la la la! Maybe she is married to some one from a different religion who knows!

But about Islam, did you know that nobody is a perfect muslim? All you have to do as a Muslim; this goes for every muslim out there is believe that you are going to heaven. And thats only possible if you try to do your best and be as good a muslim as you can be, leave the rest to Allah. You talk about the wrath of Allah but have you ever read the names of Allah and what they mean? Just by saying a particular name of Allah ( i don't have the book rightnow as i am at work) a few times all your previous sins are forgiven? There are so many Dua's and Allah is all about forgiving his beings he loves us more than anybody in this world, more than your parents love you. And Allah Knows we are humans we are here to make mistakes and are here to be confused at times, but if you know the beauty of islam and have some faith i am sure you'll know that this is the way.


You have no right to blame my parents.. If you want to then blame your own for teaching you how to disrespect someone elses parents. And I did not say that Islam forces people to convert I said that mostly you hear of muslims forcefully converting people. I did not say that every single muslim in the world is like that. Or that all of Islam is bad. I did not say that. All I am saying is just for me, me as an individual I do not believe certain things. I'm not telling you not to believe, hell you could be 110% right about everything you say. I am just expressing my own opinion.

[ziggazag]

You have no right to blame my parents.. If you want to then blame your own for teaching you how to disrespect someone elses parents. And I did not say that Islam forces people to convert I said that mostly you hear of muslims forcefully converting people. I did not say that every single muslim in the world is like that. Or that all of Islam is bad. I did not say that. All I am saying is just for me, me as an individual I do not believe certain things. I'm not telling you not to believe, hell you could be 110% right about everything you say. I am just expressing my own opinion.

Learn to read girl, i never disrespected i never cursed them or anything of that sort. But you are clearly confused and maybe your parents didn't teach you right, i said MAYBE this time. Because if you have any negeative thoughts about Islam and you are comparing it to another religion, you are comitting Shirk, the biggest of sins!