Islamic Radicals Torch 13 schools in Thailand

[Cunard]

Schools torched in south Thailand
Thursday, 14 June 2007, 06:27 GMT 07:27 UK


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More than 200 schools have been torched in the last three years


Thirteen schools have been set on fire in southern Thailand, where teachers have increasingly become the targets of a bloody conflict.

The Thai authorities have blamed Muslim insurgents for a series of recent attacks on schools, as part of their separatist campaign.

The violence in the region has killed more than 2,200 people since 2004.

More than 200 schools have been torched and 77 teachers killed, according to education officials.

Classrooms unsafe

This appears to have been a co-ordinated attack - 13 schools set on fire almost simultaneously on Wednesday evening.

Hours later a bomb exploded in front of another school.

No group has yet claimed responsibility.

On Monday, two female primary school teachers were shot dead in front of their students, and another teacher was killed in an ambush.

In response, hundreds of schools closed their doors this week, with staff demanding better security from the authorities.

Many teachers already carry guns and travel with armed escorts. More than 70 have been killed in the past three years.

Muslim separatists are accused of targeting schools and Buddhist monks because they are seen as symbols of the state.

The violence appears to have escalated in recent months, with almost daily attacks taking place in Thailand's three southernmost provinces.

In a separate incident, a man was reportedly gunned down late on Wednesday in a drive-by shooting in Yala province.

[Spork]

Some African tribes refer to themselves as "motherhoods" instead of families.

[Space-Cowboy]

I reckon it's high time the Monks started incorporating more Shaolin arts/Muay Thai into their meditative routines to start defending themselves. Then again, it's not like that'll stop a gun.


Anyway, the sooner the Thai authorities kill off the insurgents, the better.

[cerberus]

Schools torched in south Thailand
Thursday, 14 June 2007, 06:27 GMT 07:27 UK


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More than 200 schools have been torched in the last three years


Thirteen schools have been set on fire in southern Thailand, where teachers have increasingly become the targets of a bloody conflict.

The Thai authorities have blamed Muslim insurgents for a series of recent attacks on schools, as part of their separatist campaign.

The violence in the region has killed more than 2,200 people since 2004.

More than 200 schools have been torched and 77 teachers killed, according to education officials.

Classrooms unsafe

This appears to have been a co-ordinated attack - 13 schools set on fire almost simultaneously on Wednesday evening.

Hours later a bomb exploded in front of another school.

No group has yet claimed responsibility.

On Monday, two female primary school teachers were shot dead in front of their students, and another teacher was killed in an ambush.

In response, hundreds of schools closed their doors this week, with staff demanding better security from the authorities.

Many teachers already carry guns and travel with armed escorts. More than 70 have been killed in the past three years.

Muslim separatists are accused of targeting schools and Buddhist monks because they are seen as symbols of the state.

The violence appears to have escalated in recent months, with almost daily attacks taking place in Thailand's three southernmost provinces.

In a separate incident, a man was reportedly gunned down late on Wednesday in a drive-by shooting in Yala province.



I don't see anything saying that they are Muslims. Do they pray? Do they try and better themselves for their families and humanity? Do they pray for safety of all good people in the world whether those people are muslims or not?

And most importantly of all, have they got an evidence to falsify the fact that in the Qu'ran and Hadiths it says you can't kill women or whether they are innocent or not? Nah i didn't think so.

So Cunard you should change the title of the thread please. I know you didn't write the article but you did write the title. Either way they can't call themselves muslims because they are doing something which negates their Islam and to be honest I dont care what they or the news paper say about them being muslims.



You said to me you aren't anti-muslim which so far I can't say I've seen anything from you that can be proof that ur against Islam but that opinion would have to change unless you change the title of the thread (not the article you've posted) as you're identifying acts to muslims when muslims aren't even doing it.

[nikefc7]

i dont quite seem to understand why the fuck you find it so difficult to seperate the wankers with a chaotic political agenda from the religion itself.

or you delibrately trying to act daft.

actually dont answer that i'll be forced to sit here and debate endlessly for 2 hours and we'll reach to no conclusion.

[nex_man]

The final Messenger of God, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:


[In the Context of War:]

“Do not kill any old person, any child, or any woman.” [Abu Dawud]

“Do not kill the monks in monasteries,” or “Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship.” [Musnad Ahmad]

Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah's Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abu Dawud , Book 14, Number 2608)


It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.

[Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4320]



In the final testament of God, in the Qur'an, God/Allaah the Most Merciful says:

Whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind...

[Qur'an 5: 32]

[spectacle]

it was a sikh, they carry knifes

[Rcade]

you really keep up with this stuff dont you

[FatGeezer]

oh look its another Cunard thread.......

[Space-Cowboy]

it was a sikh, they carry knifes


Congradulations to the stupidest fucking post of the day.

[Rcade]

it was a sikh, they carry knifes

lolol

:p

[paki_canadian20]

Cunard U r one retarded homosexual

[DasJa]

Just :no:

[paki_canadian20]

Congradulations to the stupidest fucking post of the day.

lol spacey this is the first time i see u using 3rd class language.U look so HOT

[FatGeezer]

if i decide to call myself a woman but have a dick and two balls does that mean Im a woman?

[spectacle]

Congradulations to the stupidest fucking post of the day.


shut it cowboy, there is a chance,

[Space-Cowboy]

lol spacey this is the first time i see u using 3rd class language.U look so HOT


Regardless of the original post, you have to admit the post I responded to was baseless.


Anyway, I think the bottom line is that the insurgents are not acting within the bounds of Islamic code of conduct and therefore are not acting as 'Muslims' as nike, nex, and cerberus pointed out.

[Space-Cowboy]

shut it cowboy, there is a chance,

Chance of you being a dumbass? Most likely.

[paki_canadian20]

Regardless of the original post, you have to admit the post I responded to was baseless.


Anyway, I think the bottom line is that the insurgents are not acting within the bounds of Islamic code of conduct and therefore are not acting as 'Muslims' as nike, nex, and cerberus pointed out.

completely agreed and i think the guy is a douchebag for pointing fingers to sikhs for no reason.And yeah these insurgents have nothing to do with islam or its teachings they r acting on their own.So plz for rest of RD posters dont say that they r "Islamic radicals or Islamic fanatics" when they have nothing to do with us

[Rcade]

if i decide to call myself a woman but have a dick and two balls does that mean Im a woman?

yes...tranny? maybe

[FatGeezer]

completely agreed and i think the guy is a douchebag for pointing fingers to sikhs for no reason.And yeah these insurgents have nothing to do with islam or its teachings they r acting on their own.So plz for rest of RD posters dont say that they r "Islamic radicals or Islamic fanatics" when they have nothing to do with us
you forget we're talking about cunard the almighty here

[FatGeezer]

yes...tranny? maybe
still not a women. so stop calling me tracy

[Rcade]

completely agreed and i think the guy is a douchebag for pointing fingers to sikhs for no reason.And yeah these insurgents have nothing to do with islam or its teachings they r acting on their own.So plz for rest of RD posters dont say that they r "Islamic radicals or Islamic fanatics" when they have nothing to do with us

:werd:

[Rcade]

still not a women. so stop calling me tracy

lol

ok, ? :sarb:

[DasJa]

It's not an isolated incident. Quite the contrary, the radicals have taken this up as a strategy to scare ppl, to gain more soldiers..etc.


A long walk

Last year, hundreds of Afghan schools were burnt down, but this has not stopped the desire to continue learning.

Most schools have re-opened near the eastern city of Ghazni after the Taleban closed them. Students such as Mohammad Wazir walk an hour to school each day.

Words and pictures by Bilal Sarwary

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Ever-present dangers
"I want to be a doctor in future," says 13-year-old Momeen. "I am scared of the Taleban dangers - but if we stop and don't come then we would be illiterate and the country would be destroyed.

"I want to be the doctor for my village, we have never had one before. I also want to build a hospital."



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Own school

"I am not scared as all of my friends come to school," said 10-year-old Hamidullah. We have to walk to school for one hour every day from our village.

"I want to have a school in my own village - about 20 of my friends aren't coming any more because of the distance."




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Spreading the word

"If we all stop coming to school there would be more fighting in the future," said 15-year-old Mohammad.

"Education is the best weapon against war and poverty. I convinced two of my friends from our village to come to school and they did."




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Night letters

"I want to be a teacher in the future," says eight-year-old Ahmed. "But not everyone approves of education.

"There are night letters distributed in our village asking people not to send their children to schools.



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Lack of security

"Most of our students don't come any more: it is because of a lack of security," says class teacher Ahmadzai. "Most of the time the Taleban are taking the books away from students or beating them.

"They also tell people in villages only to study in mosques. I haven't been paid now for three months."



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Death threats

"I have been a teacher almost for 30 years now," says Mohammadullah. "There have been night letters warning us to quit teaching.

"Some of us have received death threats but I continue teaching because of our children in the end."



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Corruption

"There is no security, there are only corrupt officials," says this teacher who did not want to be identified. "We are stuck between the Afghan government and the Taleban.

"In our school, we have 15 English books for 100 classes and this is a big problem - I too haven't been paid now for more than two months."



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Intimidation

The Ghazni provincial Director for Education, Najibullah Kamran, says that when he started his job last year, many schools were closed. But a number have since re-opened with the help of tribal chiefs.

"We haven't paid some teachers because they haven't sent us the paperwork due to Taleban intimidation."

[FatGeezer]

It's not an isolated incident. Quite the contrary, the radicals have taken this up as a strategy to scare ppl, to gain more soldiers..etc.
do you want me to dig out all the atrocities committed by "sikhs"? Seriously, i dont understand why you idiots feel the need on making threads knowing theyre gonna cause reactions. I can almost see cunard sitting back laffing his socks off. Instead of attackiong other religions shouldnt you be using that energy in bettering yourself and your faith whatever that may be?

[DasJa]

do you want me to dig out all the atrocities committed by "sikhs"? Seriously, i dont understand why you idiots feel the need on making threads knowing theyre gonna cause reactions. I can almost see cunard sitting back laffing his socks off. Instead of attackiong other religions shouldnt you be using that energy in bettering yourself and your faith?
Why the fuck are you shitting urself just coz a coupla guys are discussing something that might impact ppl around the fuckin world?! Open your damn eyes, it's not always about you and ur religion. This is called an open discussion, open dialogue...if you can't offer anything of even relative value...:arrow:...otherwise, if you can discuss, please feel free. But respectfully, and dignify your fuckin self.

[spectacle]

blame it on the sikhs,, it was them

[cerberus]

do you want me to dig out all the atrocities committed by "sikhs"? Seriously, i dont understand why you idiots feel the need on making threads knowing theyre gonna cause reactions. I can almost see cunard sitting back laffing his socks off. Instead of attackiong other religions shouldnt you be using that energy in bettering yourself and your faith whatever that may be?


No offense i can see your angry but doesnt this thread just give opportunities for muslims t o show people what Islam is about using logic and the Qu'ran an stuff.

Its a way we can show people what is actually written in the Qu;ran so they know how a muslim should act and how that is completely different to how they do act.

(PS- if you think Sikhs attack Islam at every turn and that is wrong, then why are u doing it? Two wrongs don't make a right and even thugh u may not be attacking them directly you're still bringing them into it. Just leave them be and help them if they need help like any muslim should d with anybody of any other religion)

[FatGeezer]

Why the fuck are you shitting urself just coz a coupla guys are discussing something that might impact ppl around the fuckin world?! Open your damn eyes, it's not always about you and ur religion. This is called an open discussion, open dialogue...if you can't offer anything of even relative value...:arrow:...otherwise, if you can discuss, please feel free. But respectfully, and dignify your fuckin self.
im not shitting myself. I see people flaming islam here everyday and im sick of it. Thats why i dont bother in poosting half the threads anymore, it doesnt take a genious to dig out crap and post it to flame others. by doing so all you are doing is highlighting your own ignorance and your simple lack of respect for other people and faiths. I know the history of cunard. Go look at his past threads he's made. Every other one is either flaming muslims or portraying the negativity on it. And people like you just jump on the bandwagon. Where in your faith or religion does it say "flame other religions"?

If you really thing he's impartial, like isaid, dig out his threads and list them and we'll see how many negative threads he's made about each religion.

[FatGeezer]

No offense i can see your angry but doesnt this thread just give opportunities for muslims t o show people what Islam is about using logic and the Qu'ran an stuff.

Its a way we can show people what is actually written in the Qu;ran so they know how a muslim should act and how that is completely different to how they do act.
dude, this has been happening here for years. People cry wolf when they see white on brown/black racism but theyre too bloody ignorant to see how much brown-on-brown racism there is. Desi's are the most bloody racist people on the earth.

Oh, and im not attacking sikhs, merely pointing out it doesnt take a genious to dig out propoganda if one decides to sink that low.

[WildWolfdog]

do you want me to dig out all the atrocities committed by "sikhs"? Seriously, i dont understand why you idiots feel the need on making threads knowing theyre gonna cause reactions. I can almost see cunard sitting back laffing his socks off. Instead of attackiong other religions shouldnt you be using that energy in bettering yourself and your faith whatever that may be?

Lol dude, this has become so tiring so fast hasn't it? Let's just ignore it, because even I (I'm saying even I because like yourself and a few others, I've spent countless hours on similar threads) am fed up of the constant barage of repetitious threads. I already know what the response to this post will be lol but alls I'm going to say is, let's ignore them and let people continue if that's how they get their jollies :google:

[DasJa]

im not shitting myself. I see people flaming islam here everyday and im sick of it. Thats why i dont bother in poosting half the threads anymore, it doesnt take a genious to dig out crap and post it to flame others. by doing so all you are doing is highlighting your own ignorance and your simple lack of respect for other people and faiths. I know the history of cunard. Go look at his past threads he's made. Every other one is either flaming muslims or portraying the negativity on it. And people like you just jump on the bandwagon. Where in your faith or religion does it say "flame other religions"?

If you really thing he's impartial, like isaid, dig out his threads and list them and we'll see how many negative threads he's made about each religion.
He's said some pretty retarded stuff about Hinduism too, that doesn't mean he is correct. Ppl might hate him for the shit he puts up, and the fact that he's totally against this fanatic ideology of Islam...but I respect his knowledge in a lot of matters regarding religion. That DOES NOT mean he's always right, or what he sez is true in everyone's eyes...but what he does say....gives me (half sikh-half hindu fob) an insight, into how ABCD's all over North America view politics and religion in India and middle-east..and that is very interesting as well as eye-opening. That's all.

[FatGeezer]

Lol dude, this has become so tiring so fast hasn't it? Let's just ignore it, because even I (I'm saying even I because like yourself and a few others, I've spent countless hours on similar threads) am fed up of the constant barage of repetitious threads. I already know what the response to this post will be lol but alls I'm going to say is, let's ignore them and let people continue if that's how they get their jollies :google:
what i seriously dont understand is what sort of hate and prejudices people like cunard must harbour to continuously and consistently do this over the years. Going back to my point that brown-on-brown racism is ripe but people are blind to it.

[Space-Cowboy]

Lol dude, this has become so tiring so fast hasn't it? Let's just ignore it, because even I (I'm saying even I because like yourself and a few others, I've spent countless hours on similar threads) am fed up of the constant barage of repetitious threads. I already know what the response to this post will be lol but alls I'm going to say is, let's ignore them and let people continue if that's how they get their jollies :google:


I still say the world would be better without ANY religion...... but that's just me.....






*waits for e-lynching :p*

[Space-Cowboy]

what i seriously dont understand is what sort of hate and prejudices people like cunard must harbour to continuously and consistently do this over the years. Going back to my point that brown-on-brown racism is ripe but people are blind to it.

He's small cakes compared to adren@line though :p

[FatGeezer]

He's said some pretty retarded stuff about Hinduism too, that doesn't mean he is correct. Ppl might hate him for the shit he puts up, and the fact that he's totally against this fanatic ideology of Islam...but I respect his knowledge in a lot of matters regarding religion. That DOES NOT mean he's always right, or what he sez is true in everyone's eyes...but what he does say....gives me (half sikh-half hindu fob) an insight, into how ABCD's all over North America view politics and religion in India and middle-east..and that is very interesting as well as eye-opening. That's all.
eye-opening is only eye-opening when both positivity and negativity are highlighted. In this case they clearly are not.

[FatGeezer]

He's small cakes compared to adren@line though :p
meh, im starting to wonder. Adren was just a one-trick pony.

[Space-Cowboy]

meh, im starting to wonder. Adren was just a one-trick pony.

What's he up to these days? I hear you and him are close buddies...







:anxious:







:kekeke:

[spectacle]

aint sikh and hinduism two different religions, excuse my lack of knowledge

[cerberus]

dude, this has been happening here for years. People cry wolf when they see white on brown/black racism but theyre too bloody ignorant to see how much brown-on-brown racism there is. Desi's are the most bloody racist people on the earth.

Oh, and im not attacking sikhs, merely pointing out it doesnt take a genious to dig out propoganda if one decides to sink that low.


I know. Desi people are one of the worst kind of people in the world. What makes them worse is, they ahve a million faults but then they think they are the most superior race.

I know what Hindu's and Sikh's really think inside. I've met all kinds of them but in the end the ones who are racist, you think you've going to be able to be logical and they'll change their minds? The whole idea of racism is that they don't think logically thats the whole problem. And as for the ones who aren't or just have a negative opinion about Islam then why don't u try to educate them? I mean shouting and creating a drama isn't gonna do it, and if they still have this opinion then thats fine, just let them be.

[cerberus]

Lol dude, this has become so tiring so fast hasn't it? Let's just ignore it, because even I (I'm saying even I because like yourself and a few others, I've spent countless hours on similar threads) am fed up of the constant barage of repetitious threads. I already know what the response to this post will be lol but alls I'm going to say is, let's ignore them and let people continue if that's how they get their jollies :google:


I don't see anything. This thread and the last thread about a muslim girl and an honour killing, we've cleared things up to show people (including muslims) what Islam really says about these issues.

Try and get a bit a knowledge to spread it around or at least help out in some way. As i said the last two threads haven't gone the way people expected and soon enough "Islam" int he thread title isn't gonna get the usual 20 page posts so then Sameer won't be so bothered with getting people to make them. The only reason he allows it is cos it makes him money.

Lets change peoples opinions and lets get some brains going so we can educate not deliberate on our religion

[cerberus]

I still say the world would be better without ANY religion...... but that's just me.....

*waits for e-lynching :p*


You're right to a certain point but its not the people who practice the religion who cause the problems, in fact its the people who don't believe in religions that are responsible for causing most the wars and deaths in todays world, so people like Cunard are actually the problem and to cover this up they all blame religion because it makes up for their own downfalls.

[Space-Cowboy]

You're right to a certain point but its not the people who practice the religion who cause the problems, in fact its the people who don't believe in religions that are responsible for causing most the wars and deaths in todays world

Religion, and I don't mean just one or two, I mean "religion" in general as a whole, tends to create societal divide..... all based on concepts for which there is no conclusive shred data/evidence for. You have no way of knowing that something exists after you die... you just 'believe' it... hence, faith. And it is this 'faith' that often leads people to do very terrible things all the while thinking they're in the 'right'. Yes, faith has lead people to do positive things as well, but the idea is, that that positive mentality would have existed within the person regardless of religion. In effect, religion is not really needed in order to convey morally acceptable behaviour; it can be done through other means. And so, ultimately, the negatives of organized religion completely dwarf the positives.



You might wanna check the history books again, more wars have been caused in the name of religion, or have had religious undertones, than otherwise.

[WildWolfdog]

I don't see anything. This thread and the last thread about a muslim girl and an honour killing, we've cleared things up to show people (including muslims) what Islam really says about these issues.

Try and get a bit a knowledge to spread it around or at least help out in some way. As i said the last two threads haven't gone the way people expected and soon enough "Islam" int he thread title isn't gonna get the usual 20 page posts so then Sameer won't be so bothered with getting people to make them. The only reason he allows it is cos it makes him money.

Lets change peoples opinions and lets get some brains going so we can educate not deliberate on our religion

LOL. Listen, buddy. No offence but I've been around here much longer and although your vision is a good one, it's improbable. Take it from someone who knows. Don't take my word for it, ask some of the vets who've been around here for a long time.

[Space-Cowboy]

LOL. Listen, buddy. No offence but I've been around here much longer and although your vision is a good one, it's improbable. Take it from someone who knows. Don't take my word for it, ask some of the vets who've been around here for a long time.


You're adren@line in disguise..... admit it!!!!!! :shock:












:kekeke:








I'm really running out of things to post about :|

[ancient_warrior]

I am against discrimination against race, religion, or whatever.

My experience with my muslim friends is that they constantly impose their islamic beliefs on others and critique other religion. Thats why I keep away from these type of ppl. They are very fanatic. Sad but true.

These type of news or events happen a lot among muslim communties. I am sorry that it happens but it happens and people need to acknowledge and learn from others that being religious does not mean U can kill innocent kids, kafirs, etc. It still happens and will always happen since u can't change fanatic people's minds.
Anyways, some of u guys prolly don't care since its not muslims dying.

[cerberus]

Religion, and I don't mean just one or two, I mean "religion" in general as a whole, tends to create societal divide..... all based on concepts for which there is no conclusive shred data/evidence for. You have no way of knowing that something exists after you die... you just 'believe' it... hence, faith. And it is this 'faith' that often leads people to do very terrible things all the while thinking they're in the 'right'. Yes, faith has lead people to do positive things as well, but the idea is, that that positive mentality would have existed within the person regardless of religion. In effect, religion is not really needed in order to convey morally acceptable behaviour; it can be done through other means. And so, ultimately, the negatives of organized religion completely dwarf the positives.



You might wanna check the history books again, more wars have been caused in the name of religion, or have had religious undertones, than otherwise.


Yeah but I think you need to review those history books. Those are the same history books that claim Islam was spread by the sword and that the mongols were forced to convert otherwise be slaughtered by muslims. Both these facts have been proven to be completely false by other historians. Its a well known fact that if you wanna make money you publish a book thats eitehr anti religion or anti god and you'll make a million, regardless of what field ur in.

And how can u say more wars are started in the name of religion. Name one major war besides the crusades in which the number of casulties is surprising low considering what went on.

Let me name a few non-religious wars. WW I, WW II, Native American Slaughtering (60,000,000 where massacred), The slave trades. Gulf War, Recent Iraq War, Afganistan, Vietnam, Israel.

Its quite funny how America has been part of every single one. None of these were about religion. They were all about money and power.


As for religions even being violent I can only talk about Islam as I'm a muslim. In the crusades it was Islam that saved the Jews from complete annilation. They lived peacefully with the Jews and the Christians in Jeruselem. What about history telling you that when Saladin took Jeruselem he gave orders to his soldiers that not a single holy man, non-soldier, old man, woman, child, or even non military building was to be touched as they took over (which are all rules in Islamic War conduct). This was done. Compare that today where you bomb a country and kill 50 soldiers compared to 100,000 civilians.

In fact that is done on purpose. It was written by a guy (forgot his name now) that all wars are bad, so there is no way to fight a good war. Therefore to end the war as quickly as possible is the only good act. How is that done? Target civilians and innocents because no army can fight without the working of the country progressing. Eventually the army withh run out of supplies. This theory is used by Western countries to fight wars.


FOr u to say religion has caused wars is just because like most the other people you claim to have a free mind but infact u choice in a free mind has led u to just follow what society says with all its cliques and stuff, which in tern doesnt give u a free mind at all.

[cerberus]

LOL. Listen, buddy. No offence but I've been around here much longer and although your vision is a good one, it's improbable. Take it from someone who knows. Don't take my word for it, ask some of the vets who've been around here for a long time.


Sorry but u havent particularly been around here much longer than i.

Yeah longer no doubt, but I used to read these forums a long time ago and then also used to post under a different name. I know what goes on.

I don't mean any disrespect but obviously over time u havent draw up a plan urself. So why not try sticking to this one for the time being.

Also Sameer owns this site and he's probablythe most racist guy here for letting things slide and allowing people to talk about religion in this way even though he has the power to stop it. He's laughing and making his money off us I just wanna try turning it around and use it for something positive.

[cerberus]

I am against discrimination against race, religion, or whatever.

My experience with my muslim friends is that they constantly impose their islamic beliefs on others and critique other religion. Thats why I keep away from these type of ppl. They are very fanatic. Sad but true.

These type of news or events happen a lot among muslim communties. I am sorry that it happens but it happens and people need to acknowledge and learn from others that being religious does not mean U can kill innocent kids, kafirs, etc. It still happens and will always happen since u can't change fanatic people's minds.
Anyways, some of u guys prolly don't care since its not muslims dying.


Even in an Islamic country, non-muslims where allowed to eat pork and all these things. It was the responsibility of the state to provide them with this, so the whole idea of forcing heir religion on people is not an Islamic act. Critisizing other religions again is not an Islamic act. I mean if they wanna show people how great Islam is,it'ssaid that through your actions people will see what Isam is, not through ur words. So they should act like true muslims and then people will see. That wil change peoples minds on Islam.

And when did they say it was ok to kill innocent kids and kafirs? It doesn't and second of all what are u talking about? That they go around killling innocent kids? Don't forget since the Gulf war 50,000 babies alone would die every year due to the Uranium poisoning that was left behind which is a breach of UN sactions. that continued for the next 10 years then the number of deaths dropped. Iraq, Afganistan, Bosnia, Gujurat. Muslims are getting massacred all voer the place and people don't give a fly fuck about us and then u blaming muslims for not giving a shit if non-muslims die? No offence but i know u dont. So why are u critising muslims when the whole world does the same (not saying its right) but then you only point this specific finger at muslims.

[WildWolfdog]

Sorry but u havent particularly been around here much longer than i.

Yeah longer no doubt, but I used to read these forums a long time ago and then also used to post under a different name. I know what goes on.

I don't mean any disrespect but obviously over time u havent draw up a plan urself. So why not try sticking to this one for the time being.

Also Sameer owns this site and he's probablythe most racist guy here for letting things slide and allowing people to talk about religion in this way even though he has the power to stop it. He's laughing and making his money off us I just wanna try turning it around and use it for something positive.

Lol right ... Well obviously we disagree and right now I'm content with being not on the same page than you so we'll stick to our plans, or lack thereof them.