MUSLIMS! Another QURANIC Miracle : "Fe" - VIDEO

[Mr_MaSaLa]

IRON

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hadid

ONLY AFFIRMS IMAAN MASHALLAH !

007.146 : Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right - them will I turn away from My signs: Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them; and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way; but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt. For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Don't you talk about anything else except Muslims?

No one is forcing you to look at my threads =)

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Where is EVERYONE? :sarb:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

??????

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Weird, people are looking at it and not replying back ...

[DasJa]

:werd: brother

Also check this video out

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[Mr_MaSaLa]

:werd: brother

Also check this video out

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played out ...

[DasJa]

played out ...
NEVER :ntalking:...it's a classic, in my book :Paper:

[Space-Cowboy]

The planet that crashed into Earth, Thea; also allowed for conditions to be right for EVOLUTION to occur; something religious books failed to reveal.


http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/2053

Walking with Monsters, episode 1.

[sarkar_jot]

Don't you talk about anything else except Muslims?


:rofl:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

The planet that crashed into Earth, Thea; also allowed for conditions to be right for EVOLUTION to occur; something religious books failed to reveal.


http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/2053

Walking with Monsters, episode 1.

You missed the WHOLE point AGAIN didn't you ...

Here I'm not talking about whether evolution or creationism is right, but instead how is it possible to know THIS FACT 1500 ago in a desert by a sheperd (pbuh) ?

ps. Did you go to the WIKIPEDIA link?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

:rofl:

WoW - You are easily amused.

[sarkar_jot]

WoW - You are easily amused.

Wow- you are really observant

[aspaan]

".... And we sent down Iron"

Are you fucking kidding me
who the hell is we

[Space-Cowboy]

You missed the WHOLE point AGAIN didn't you ...

Here I'm not talking about whether evolution or creationism is right, but instead how is it possible to know THIS FACT 1500 ago in a desert by a sheperd (pbuh) ?

ps. Did you go to the WIKIPEDIA link?


Look up Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, if you're capable of understanding what that fallacy has to say.


And the link is 'BBC Presents' documentaries early life on planet Earth.


The idea of two planets colliding and Earth 'acquiring' additional minerals has been predicted in several cultures throughout the world for thousands of years.

[chicano_desi]

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[Mr_MaSaLa]

".... And we sent down Iron"

Are you fucking kidding me
who the hell is we

That is 1 GOD speaking ... and the "WE" is the ROYAL "we" ... doesn't mean there are 3 or a million gods ...

Example: KING: "WE decree that ..."

[Space-Cowboy]

".... And we sent down Iron"

Are you fucking kidding me
who the hell is we


The point I was trying to make as well is... how does one go about theorizing the coming of iron using the video he posted above, and then NOT go about theorizing what that lump of iron and other minerals is in fact also responsible for Evolution...

[Space-Cowboy]

fRIN6rwGv2s

The eps cut off in the middle of no where :p

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Look up Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, if you're capable of understanding what that fallacy has to say.


And the link is 'BBC Presents' documentaries early life on planet Earth.


The idea of two planets colliding and Earth 'acquiring' additional minerals has been predicted in several cultures throughout the world for thousands of years.

Why don't you show me one of these "predictions by several other cultures throughout the world for thousands of years" ...

And you are ignoring the Wikipedia link ... WHY ?

[Space-Cowboy]

Anyway, my point is not to discredit any faith..... but only that people realize it is illogical to use ANY religious book as if it were a science text book.

[Space-Cowboy]

Why don't you show me one of these "predictions by several other cultures throughout the world for thousands of years" ...

And you are ignoring the Wikipedia link ... WHY ?

Well for one thing, the link doesn't work.


Greeks and Egyptians for example have known of the Earth's shape, as well as its revolution about the Sun. Greeks first theorized atoms. The list really goes on.

[DasJa]

Anyway, my point is not to discredit any faith..... but only that people realize it is illogical to use ANY religious book as if it were a science text book.
:werd: on that mang! The root of all world's problem, right here!

[Mr_MaSaLa]

The point I was trying to make as well is... how does one go about theorizing the coming of iron using the video he posted above, and then NOT go about theorizing what that lump of iron and other minerals is in fact also responsible for Evolution...

Are you kidding me !?!?!?

Its like after reading "ROMEO JULIET", you are wondering if ROMEO was male or female ...

The POINT is :

HOW DID THIS INFO GET TO A SHEPERD IN THE DESERTS OF ARABIA 1500 YERAS AGO ?!?!

Also if you go to the WIKIPEDIA LINK ... you would know WHY

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Anyway, my point is not to discredit any faith..... but only that people realize it is illogical to use ANY religious book as if it were a science text book.

I am not, nobody is using QURAN as a science text book ... I have dealt with over 100 Islamic Schools and still have to see QURAN being used as a science text book ...

I am only showing you the OBVIOUS SIGNS in it ! That is IT!

[Space-Cowboy]

Are you kidding me !?!?!?

Its like after reading "ROMEO JULIET", you are wondering if ROMEO was male or female ...

The POINT is :

HOW DID THIS INFO GET TO A SHEPERD IN THE DESERTS OF ARABIA 1500 YERAS AGO ?!?!

Also if you go to the WIKIPEDIA LINK ... you would know WHY


You clearly seem to have trouble articulating your thoughts. You also have a problem with reading comprehension.


And since you like Wiki so much; here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Well for one thing, the link doesn't work.


Greeks and Egyptians for example have known of the Earth's shape, as well as its revolution about the Sun. Greeks first theorized atoms. The list really goes on.

GIVE ME A SIMPLE TEXT ON IT JUST LIKE I HAVE PROVIDED YOU FROM THE QURAN

[aspaan]

That is 1 GOD speaking ... and the "WE" is the ROYAL "we" ... doesn't mean there are 3 or a million gods ...

Example: KING: "WE decree that ..."

.. oh I see

yeah I dont believe in religion see

What I cant understand is how you put those things together

its the same thing when some one said look cocal cola symbol is anti islamic

http://www.islam-shia.org/boycott_israel/images/coca_inverted.gif


Quran also says

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

now you might get your man juice from your ribs but I knwo i get em from my balls


All what you proved in the video is it is anticreationist

they are talking about billions of years here, I am sure God could have done it in a better time frame.

[Space-Cowboy]

I am not, nobody is using QURAN as a science text book ... I have dealt with over 100 Islamic Schools and still have to see QURAN being used as a science text book ...

I am only showing you the OBVIOUS SIGNS in it ! That is IT!


It's neither 'obvious' nor is it 'convincing'.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

You clearly seem to have trouble articulating your thoughts. You also have a problem with reading comprehension.


And since you like Wiki so much; here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hadid (http://)

[Mr_MaSaLa]

It's neither 'obvious' nor is it 'convincing'.

I hope you don't have too much trouble "COPYING" and "PASTING" the link I just provided ...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

.. oh I see

yeah I dont believe in religion see

What I cant understand is how you put those things together

its the same thing when some one said look cocal cola symbol is anti islamic

http://www.islam-shia.org/boycott_israel/images/coca_inverted.gif


Quran also says

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

now you might get your man juice from your ribs but I knwo i get em from my balls


All what you proved in the video is it is anticreationist

they are talking about billions of years here, I am sure God could have done it in a better time frame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hadid

[Mr_MaSaLa]

.. oh I see

yeah I dont believe in religion see

What I cant understand is how you put those things together

its the same thing when some one said look cocal cola symbol is anti islamic

http://www.islam-shia.org/boycott_israel/images/coca_inverted.gif


Quran also says

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

now you might get your man juice from your ribs but I knwo i get em from my balls


All what you proved in the video is it is anticreationist

they are talking about billions of years here, I am sure God could have done it in a better time frame.

I already know about the COCA-COLA deal and don't care about whether that is true or not ...

But here I am simply trying to tell you the point I see from my perspective which you are not able to ...

Go to the link I provided you and tell me that the QURAN's coinciding with IRON's ATOMIC NUMBER, MASS, ISOTOPES, etc, etc ,etc is nothing but illusion created by human beings.

[aspaan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hadid

I did read it

now do you make your semen in your ribs

[sarkar_jot]

:rofl:

[malkeet]

i think the creators of that video are very stupid.

The video if anything discredits the verse from the quran (he sent down iron) because it is clearly saying that it wasnt allah/god whom sent iron, but it was the gravitational force from the sun on the planets in our solarsystem, which caused lots of small planets to collide and merge there minerals, leading to the deposition of iron in our earths core and on our surface.

(long sentense i know, feel free to add your own fullstops)

[aspaan]

Go to the link I provided you and tell me that the QURAN's coinciding with IRON's ATOMIC NUMBER, MASS, ISOTOPES, etc, etc ,etc is nothing but illusion created by human beings.

you dont belive in atomic numbers mass and isotopes

you do realise that the computer you are using is not made by GOD, there is a lot of complex chemistry involved in designing every element of your machine

[Space-Cowboy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hadid (http://)


Surat Al-Hadid is the 57th. sura of the Qur'an prefixed by the Basmala (the 9th. sura is not - see also Sunnan Abu Dawood ahadith 785-787). The mass number of the most abundant (91.72%) isotope of iron is 56 (being the number of nucleons in its nucleus). This sura is the only one named for a chemical element.

The word iron (Hadid) occurs 6 times in the Qur'an, iron is the 6th d-block element. The 6th occurrence of the word iron, and the only one in this sura, is in the 26th. ayah (counting the Basmala (q.v.)). The atomic number of iron is 26 (being the number of protons in its nucleus).

The above-mentioned verse states: "...anzalna (We sent down) al-hadid (Iron), wherein is mighty power and many benefits for mankind...". Modern day scientists have discovered that iron is made in the nucleus of big stars. When the star can no longer hold the iron, it explodes and causes a nova or a supernova. Our Sun cannot produce even one atom of iron. Thus, the iron we have on Earth can be accurately described as "sent down" from the explosions of other stars.

The only other chemical elements mentioned in the Qur'an are gold and silver as valuables (e.g. Sura 3, 14 & Sura 9, 34), and copper in the context of molten brass or bronze (e.g. Sura 34, 12). None of these are anywhere described as "sent down".

ORly?

http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~lvw/physics/bigpertable.jpg

Do you see the discrepencies? I sure can.


Also;

The only other chemical elements mentioned in the Qur'an are gold and silver as valuables (e.g. Sura 3, 14 & Sura 9, 34), and copper in the context of molten brass or bronze (e.g. Sura 34, 12). None of these are anywhere described as "sent down".

except, that they were. erm, how you put it? "sent down" because they too were created in the inside of stars on the verge of going super nova.



Our Sun cannot produce even one atom of iron. Thus, the iron we have on Earth can be accurately described as "sent down" from the explosions of other stars.

Not accurate at all. The Sun WILL produce iron upon explosion, 5 bln years from now. And iron did exist in the pre-Thea period, just not in the abundant form it is today.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

I did read it

now do you make your semen in your ribs

It does not say that man make his semen from his ribs but rather BETWEEN LOINS and RIBS ...

Now, if you look up definition for LOINS you get:

loin:
1. The part of the body of a human or quadruped on either side of the backbone and between the ribs and hips.
2. One of several cuts of meat, such as tenderloin, taken from this part of an animal's body, typically including the vertebrae of the segment from which it is taken.
3. loins
a. The region of the hips, groin, and lower abdomen.
b. The reproductive organs.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

ORly?

http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~lvw/physics/bigpertable.jpg

Do you see the discrepencies? I sure can.


Also;



except, that they were. erm, how you put it? "sent down" because they too were created in the inside of stars on the verge of going super nova.





Not accurate at all. The Sun WILL produce iron upon explosion, 5 bln years from now. And iron did exist in the pre-Thea period, just not in the abundant form it is today.

It says "D" Block element !

[Mr_MaSaLa]

ORly?

http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~lvw/physics/bigpertable.jpg

Do you see the discrepencies? I sure can.


Also;



except, that they were. erm, how you put it? "sent down" because they too were created in the inside of stars on the verge of going super nova.





Not accurate at all. The Sun WILL produce iron upon explosion, 5 bln years from now. And iron did exist in the pre-Thea period, just not in the abundant form it is today.

except, SUN never did. The temperature is not HIGH enough, didn't you watch that vdo?

[malkeet]

It does not say that man make his semen from his ribs but rather BETWEEN LOINS and RIBS ...

Now, if you look up definition for LOINS you get:

loin:
1. The part of the body of a human or quadruped on either side of the backbone and between the ribs and hips.
2. One of several cuts of meat, such as tenderloin, taken from this part of an animal's body, typically including the vertebrae of the segment from which it is taken.
3. loins
a. The region of the hips, groin, and lower abdomen.
b. The reproductive organs.

semen is produced in the testis. Now you said that the quran states that it is created BETWEEN the ribs and the groin, so this region is the mid abdomen/epigastric region being described. This is wrong.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

semen is produced in the testis. Now you said that the quran states that it is created BETWEEN the ribs and the groin, so this region is the mid abdomen/epigastric region being described. This is wrong.

Did you actually want the Quran to give you the exact NAME and PLACE of balls?

Its pathetic how you can completely ignore the thread and make itsy-bitsy claims about Quran not telling the right spot where a male releases his sperms.

You don't have to believe anything, I was sharing it with the Muslims ... that is it.

[Space-Cowboy]

It says "D" Block element !


I'm referring to the isotope.

[Space-Cowboy]

except, SUN never did. The temperature is not HIGH enough, didn't you watch that vdo?


Doesn't matter what the Sun did or didn't do. Earth was created from hot gases and dust particles of elements formed from the destruction of the previous generation of stars. Some of those elements were in fact iron. Iron did exist on earth before Thea.

[malkeet]

Did you actually want the Quran to give you the exact NAME and PLACE of balls?

Its pathetic how you can completely ignore the thread and make itsy-bitsy claims about Quran not telling the right spot where a male releases his sperms.

You don't have to believe anything, I was sharing it with the Muslims ... that is it.

regarding the video, as i posted EARLIER IN THE THREAD...

The video if anything discredits the verse from the quran (he sent down iron) because it is clearly saying that it wasnt allah/god whom sent iron, but it was the gravitational force from the sun on the planets in our solarsystem, which caused lots of small planets to collide and merge there minerals, leading to the deposition of iron in our earths core and on our surface.
i am a student of god, i am interested in learning about all religions in the world.

and being a student of god i am interested in learning about all religions.
I was merely correcting you regarding semen production. You cannot use that quote that semen is made between the ribs and loin because that is false and completely wrong anatomically/physiologically.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

007.146 : Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right - them will I turn away from My signs: Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them; and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way; but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt. For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Doesn't matter what the Sun did or didn't do. Earth was created from hot gases and dust particles of elements formed from the destruction of the previous generation of stars. Some of those elements were in fact iron. Iron did exist on earth before Thea.

But was it in such abundance?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

regarding the video, as i posted EARLIER IN THE THREAD...

The video if anything discredits the verse from the quran (he sent down iron) because it is clearly saying that it wasnt allah/god whom sent iron, but it was the gravitational force from the sun on the planets in our solarsystem, which caused lots of small planets to collide and merge there minerals, leading to the deposition of iron in our earths core and on our surface.
i am a student of god, i am interested in learning about all religions in the world.

and being a student of god i am interested in learning about all religions.
I was merely correcting you regarding semen production. You cannot use that quote that semen is made between the ribs and loin because that is false and completely wrong anatomically/physiologically.

It is GOD/ALLAH speaking in the Quran ... not the "gravitational force" ...

What are you studying?

[aspaan]

Did you actually want the Quran to give you the exact NAME and PLACE of balls?


sure, why be vague

the basic thing is Quran is full of flaws its not even funny

now to you its not, I obviously cant convince you that its not

you on the other hand show us these videos and say " ... haaaa ha, see it does exist", which just makes you look even a bigger fool in my eyes

so my suggestion to you is, posting videos like that is not gonna make any difference

oh and that note read my link now http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/denis_giron/islamsci.html

[malkeet]

It is GOD/ALLAH speaking in the Quran ... not the "gravitational force" ...

What are you studying?

i was saying that the video clearly shows that iron deposition on our planets is due to the suns gravitational force in our solar system.

spiritually i study sikhism. educationally medicine :D

[Space-Cowboy]

But was it in such abundance?


On the surface, yes, below the surface, no.


Btw, you wanted evidence that Egyptians knew of iron 'descending from heavens', here it is:


http://www.touregypt.net/science.htm

Copper and Iron Extraction

In addition to copper, which was mined in the eastern desert between the Nile and the Red Sea, iron was known in Egypt from a very early period and came into general use about 800 B.C. According to Lucas, iron appears to have been an Asiatic discovery.

It was certainly known in Asia Minor about I300 B.C. One of the Kings of the Hittites sent Rameses II, the celebrated Pharaoh of the Nineteenth Dynasty, an iron sword and a promise of a shipment of the same metal.

The Egyptians called iron 'the metal of heaven' or ba-en-pet, which indicates that the first specimen employed were of meteoric origin; the Babylonian name having the same meaning.


Certainly the ancient Egyptians were aware of meteoritic iron, but uncomfortably for the archaeologists, the evidence suggests that by a very early date in their history they were already sophisticated enough to differentiate between different types of iron. Loadstones were called `res mehit ba', meaning `north-south iron', and Plutarch quotes Manetho as differentiating loadstones from non-magnetic iron, calling the former `Bone of Osiris', and the latter `Bone of Typhon', (being the Greek version of Set).3

Robert H O'Connell in 1983 translated the coffin text Spell 148, which refers to meteoritic impact as being integral to the conception of Horus. `…the blast of a meteorite such that gods fear, Isis awoke pregnant by the seed of her brother Osiris!….5 Even earlier, in 1911, Wallis Budge translated a text from the time of Pepi II (circa 2278- 2184 BC) which speaks of `the iron which came from Set, and was in the forearm of Set; it transferred to the deceased the power of the eye of Horus'.6 As the constellation of the Great Bear was considered to be the abode of Set, we can reasonably conclude that at least one iron-bearing meteorite came from this direction early in the Old Kingdom. And if we were to conclude that the ascension of Horus came about during the unification of the two lands, we would be able to postulate that this unification came about during a period of meteoritic activity.

The evidence then, seems to support the notion that the ancient Egyptians were aware of iron, and probably viewed it as a heavenly substance.


http://www.gizagrid.com/body_egyptian_iron.html

[malkeet]

keeping to the theme of thread, science and religion, let me now post some science contained within the sri guru granth sahib ji :D

regarding stars,galaxies,universe etc
Many millions are the fields of creation and the galaxies. Guru Arjan Dev ji (SGGS) Pg. 276

Upon that cosmic plate of the sky, the sun and the moon are the lamps. The stars and their orbs are the studded pearls.Guru Nanak Dev Ji

many millions are the moons, suns and stars (sggs 275)

I see none as great as You, O Great Giver; You give in charity to the beings of all the continents, worlds, solar systems, nether regions and universes. Guru Amar Daas Ji (549 )

In the galaxies and solar systems, nether regions, celestial realms and the three worlds, the Lord is in the primal void of deep absorption. ||10||
Guru Nanak Dev Ji (1023 )

Support for evolution (304years before darwin)

Shattering and breaking apart, He creates and re-creates; creating, He shatters again. He builds up what He has demolished, and demolishes what He has built
He dries up the pools which are full, and fills the dried tanks again. He is all-powerful and independent. SGGS, Pg. 935

There are beings and creatures in the water and on the land, in the worlds and universes, form upon form.Whatever they say, You know; You care for them all.SGGS, Pg. 466

Sikhi and Science say that life originated from rocks! Unlike most other religions which believe that God directly made Humans! Many scientists would agree with the view of Guru sahib.

From rocks and stones, He created the living beings, and He places before them their sustenance.

Unlike the other major religions Sikhi says that Humans are created from the union of the sperm and the egg! Science agrees with Sikhi!
"Splitting (vijog) and pairing (sanjog) of chromosomes are performed according to the already decided laws. By putting together five elements, a new body is formed" (15). Here the Fifth Nanak, Guru Arjan, has explained the conception and birth of new body (baby). Here vijog means splitting of pairs of chromosomes of sex cells of a man and of a woman. And sanjog means combination or pairing of one set of n-number of chromosomes from the man sex cell with the n-number of chromosomes of woman sex cell resulting in a zygote of 2n-chromosomes. This zygote continues to divide resulting into a multicellular organism that develops into a new human being.

Through the union of mother and father, the fetus is formed. The egg and sperm join together to make the body.SGGS, Pg. 1014

jl kI BIiq pvn kw QMBw rkq buMd kw gwrw ]The body is a wall of water, supported by the pillars of air; the egg and sperm are the mortar.hwf mws nwVNØI ko ipMjru pMKI bsY ibcwrw ]1]The framework is made up of bones, flesh and veins; the poor soul-bird dwells within it. ||1||SGGS, Pg. 659

90% of the body is water
This fragile body-fortress is made up of water, plastered with blood and wrapped in skin.SGGS - 1354

Sikhi says the Earth is SPHERICAL! Unlike other religions which say that the Earth is FLAT! Here are some quotes: 
Paradise, the earth, the nether regions of the underworld, and the globe of the world - all are engrossed in Maya.Guru Arjan Dev ji (SGGS)

The True Lord is the Creator of the Universe
He established and contemplates the worldly sphere.
The moon reflects sunlightSGGS, Pg. 1032

Sikhism and Science (Physics) support the EXPANDING UNIVERSE! Unlike most other religions, especially the semitic ones, (Christianity/Judaism/Islam) which believe in a static and unchanging universe!

By His Hukam, the Expanse of the Universe is expanded. By His Hukam, they enjoy pleasures.SGGS, Pg. 760

God, who expanded His expanse, is within all; I learned this from the True Guru. ||2||SGGS, Pg. 671

So many times, He has expanded His expansion.SGGS, Pg. 276

Theres more but i havent got the energy to copy and paste everything here. :D


In the Fear of God, the sun shines, and in the Fear of God, the moon reflects.
They travel millions of miles, endlessly.

[soladylike]

Yeah, they kind of covered the mention of iron in Quran and the predominant iron theory about a few years back at a conference in Egypt. They explained it a lot better than this video. Anyhow, jazakAllah for pointing it out Sir :)

[Mr_MaSaLa]

sure, why be vague

the basic thing is Quran is full of flaws its not even funny

now to you its not, I obviously cant convince you that its not

you on the other hand show us these videos and say " ... haaaa ha, see it does exist", which just makes you look even a bigger fool in my eyes

so my suggestion to you is, posting videos like that is not gonna make any difference

oh and that note read my link now http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/denis_giron/islamsci.html

INFIDEL.ORG ?

Is that where you get your information of ISLAM from?

lol

[Mr_MaSaLa]

On the surface, yes, below the surface, no.


Btw, you wanted evidence that Egyptians knew of iron 'descending from heavens', here it is:


http://www.touregypt.net/science.htm







http://www.gizagrid.com/body_egyptian_iron.html

Cool ...

I'll hold my belief though, you have free will to believe yours ...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

keeping to the theme of thread, science and religion, let me now post some science contained within the sri guru granth sahib ji :D

regarding stars,galaxies,universe etc
Many millions are the fields of creation and the galaxies. Guru Arjan Dev ji (SGGS) Pg. 276

Upon that cosmic plate of the sky, the sun and the moon are the lamps. The stars and their orbs are the studded pearls.Guru Nanak Dev Ji

many millions are the moons, suns and stars (sggs 275)

I see none as great as You, O Great Giver; You give in charity to the beings of all the continents, worlds, solar systems, nether regions and universes. Guru Amar Daas Ji (549 )

In the galaxies and solar systems, nether regions, celestial realms and the three worlds, the Lord is in the primal void of deep absorption. ||10||
Guru Nanak Dev Ji (1023 )

Support for evolution (304years before darwin)

Shattering and breaking apart, He creates and re-creates; creating, He shatters again. He builds up what He has demolished, and demolishes what He has built
He dries up the pools which are full, and fills the dried tanks again. He is all-powerful and independent. SGGS, Pg. 935

There are beings and creatures in the water and on the land, in the worlds and universes, form upon form.Whatever they say, You know; You care for them all.SGGS, Pg. 466

Sikhi and Science say that life originated from rocks! Unlike most other religions which believe that God directly made Humans! Many scientists would agree with the view of Guru sahib.

From rocks and stones, He created the living beings, and He places before them their sustenance.

Unlike the other major religions Sikhi says that Humans are created from the union of the sperm and the egg! Science agrees with Sikhi!
"Splitting (vijog) and pairing (sanjog) of chromosomes are performed according to the already decided laws. By putting together five elements, a new body is formed" (15). Here the Fifth Nanak, Guru Arjan, has explained the conception and birth of new body (baby). Here vijog means splitting of pairs of chromosomes of sex cells of a man and of a woman. And sanjog means combination or pairing of one set of n-number of chromosomes from the man sex cell with the n-number of chromosomes of woman sex cell resulting in a zygote of 2n-chromosomes. This zygote continues to divide resulting into a multicellular organism that develops into a new human being.

Through the union of mother and father, the fetus is formed. The egg and sperm join together to make the body.SGGS, Pg. 1014

jl kI BIiq pvn kw QMBw rkq buMd kw gwrw ]The body is a wall of water, supported by the pillars of air; the egg and sperm are the mortar.hwf mws nwVNØI ko ipMjru pMKI bsY ibcwrw ]1]The framework is made up of bones, flesh and veins; the poor soul-bird dwells within it. ||1||SGGS, Pg. 659

90% of the body is water
This fragile body-fortress is made up of water, plastered with blood and wrapped in skin.SGGS - 1354

Sikhi says the Earth is SPHERICAL! Unlike other religions which say that the Earth is FLAT! Here are some quotes: 
Paradise, the earth, the nether regions of the underworld, and the globe of the world - all are engrossed in Maya.Guru Arjan Dev ji (SGGS)

The True Lord is the Creator of the Universe
He established and contemplates the worldly sphere.
The moon reflects sunlightSGGS, Pg. 1032

Sikhism and Science (Physics) support the EXPANDING UNIVERSE! Unlike most other religions, especially the semitic ones, (Christianity/Judaism/Islam) which believe in a static and unchanging universe!

By His Hukam, the Expanse of the Universe is expanded. By His Hukam, they enjoy pleasures.SGGS, Pg. 760

God, who expanded His expanse, is within all; I learned this from the True Guru. ||2||SGGS, Pg. 671

So many times, He has expanded His expansion.SGGS, Pg. 276

Theres more but i havent got the energy to copy and paste everything here. :D


In the Fear of God, the sun shines, and in the Fear of God, the moon reflects.
They travel millions of miles, endlessly.


Cool ... why did NANAK perform HAJJ?

[Space-Cowboy]

Cool ...

I'll hold my belief though, you have free will to believe yours ...

That's all I ask. :salut:

[aspaan]

INFIDEL.ORG ?

Is that where you get your information of ISLAM from?

lol

dude you actually read quran and make decisions on your life based on it

lol

you didnt even bother going into the link and reading it did ya, so why should any one indulge in what your videohas to say when you shut off everyone else

[malkeet]

Cool ... why did NANAK perform HAJJ?

The assertion that non-Muslims cannot infiltrate Mecca is false. Guru Nanak Sahib jee was neither the first nor the last non-Muslim to visit or infiltrate Mecca. The most famous incident of a non-Muslim visiting Mecca was the visit by the British explorer Sir Richard Burton in 1853. Burton disguised himself as an Afghani Muslim to visit and write Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Al Madinah and Mecca. Therefore, how can it be impossible for Guru Nanak Sahib jee, who is ‘Akaal Roop’, the embodiment of the Divine Light of God, to visit Mecca? The who land belongs to God, so how can the Living Image of God, Guru Nanak Sahib jee be stopped travelling anywhere in the world. God or God’s power cannot be limited.

Sir Richard Burton 1848

Guru sahib dressed as a Fakeer, holy man, which meant a chola of khuddar (rough low grade material) and a pair of wooden sandals with his companion Baba Mardana jee, who was from a Muslim background, infiltrated the city of Mecca.

bwbw iPr m`ky gXw nIl bsqR Dwry bnvwrI]
Awsw h`Q ikqwb k`C kUjw bWg mus`lw DwrI]
“Donning blue attire then Baba Nanak went to Mecca. He held staff in his hand, pressed a book under his arm, caught hold of a metal pot and mattress.”
(Vaar 1, Pauree 32 – Bhai Gurdaas jee)

Dress in Sikhi and in Guru Nanak Sahib jee’s own words, carries no divinity or spiritual significance. He dressed as a Fakeer so as not to be thought a novice and thus excluded from religious discussions of the Muslims Fakeers of the time. Moreover wearing a Fakeer’s dress does not necessarily make one Muslim.


Only in more recent history has the security of Mecca and Medina been stepped up. However, even then non-Muslims are allowed to enter the city of Mecca as long as they have business there. In the past, several non-Muslims journalists and camera crew have been allowed in to create documentaries, as well as VIPs. For example, Mecca is currently in redevelopment; project under taken by architecture firm based in North America. Non-Muslim Architects ands engineers have been in Mecca and will continue until 2012. However that should not be confused with the existing rule in place that forbids non-Muslims from entering the area as others mentioned.


Muslims seeking to twist history and reality for their own agenda and world-view have totally manipulated the reason why Guru Nanak Sahib jee visited Mecca. Muslims go to Mecca to pay their homage and worship God (this pilgrimage is called Hajj in the Islamic faith), but this was not the purpose of Guru jee to go there. Guru jee says:
hj kwbY jwau n qIrQ pUjw ] eyko syvI Avru n dUjw ]2]
pUjw krau n invwj gujwrau ] eyk inrMkwr ly irdY nmskwrau ]3]
”I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines. I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2|| I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||”
(Ang 1136)

This shows that Guru jee did not visit Mecca to worship Allah. Instead, He went for different reasons. Muslims believe that God is in the west and only likes Muslims. Guru jee visited Mecca to clear their doubts and to show them the right path. He went to preach oneness of God who does not reside only in the west. Guru jee said there are infinite heavens, hells and solar systems. There is no end to God or His creation.


Guru Nanak Sahib jee is recorded to have visited Mecca not the Kaa’ba. The one thing clear from the historical evidence is that he visited Mecca with his companion, Baba Mardana jee, who was from a Muslim background. They stayed somewhere probably in a nearby village or town. Pilgrims do not stay in the Kaa’ba. They stay outside the holy shrine area in villages, towns or tents. It is also clear from the evidence that Guru Sahib is recorded as having slept with his feet ‘towards’ the Kaa’ba. If Guru Sahib were sleeping inside or nearby the Kaa’ba (which is not possible when millions visit it), there would not have been the account that we read today.

There is no mention anywhere that he observed ihram, did twaf, ran between Safwa and Marwa or sacrificed an animal. For pilgrimage all these rituals are abosultely essential. As for saying Namaz, there is no evidence that he followed an Imam or uttered Quranic verses anywhere. Furthermore, Guru Sahib no where wrote La Allah Illilah Mohammed Rasul Allah. If one still thinks that Guru Nanak Sahib jee was a Muslim, then would you accept such pretenders as Muslims who conceal their faith? Guru Sahib never stated that he was a Muslim, instead he did the opposite.

nw hm ihMdU n muslmwn ] Alh rwm ky ipMfu prwn ]4]
“I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||”
(Ang 1136)

[soladylike]

Cool ...

I'll hold my belief though, you have free will to believe yours ...

And Allah does say that He sent every nation a messenger and that they will be held accountable for what was revealed to them (Surah Al Baqarah I don't remember the exact verses but it's in that chapter).
Also according to Islamic scholars, there are over 200,000 messengers sent and only the big ones are mentioned in the Quran so the information is bound to overlap because it all comes from the same God.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

dude you actually read quran and make decisions on your life based on it

lol

you didnt even bother going into the link and reading it did ya, so why should any one indulge in what your videohas to say when you shut off everyone else

First off, I have already been to that website and read it ... it is stuffed with BULLCRAP for ignorant people who can't learn shit for themselves but want some biased SOB to spoon-feed them ...

It is clearly an anti-islamic website aiming to demonise ISLAM ...

[Space-Cowboy]

And Allah does say that He sent every nation a messenger and that they will be held accountable for what was revealed to them (Surah Al Baqarah I don't remember the exact verses but it's in that chapter).
Also according to Islamic scholars, there are over 200,000 messengers sent and only the big ones are mentioned in the Quran so the information is bound to overlap because it all comes from the same God.


Thanks again for that documentary :hug:

[melquiades]

And John Major said, "Let there be a tree", and there was a tree. And John Major saw that the tree was burning, and John Major separated the tree from the potion.

[soladylike]

Thanks again for that documentary :hug:

You're welcome :D
You liked it?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

And Allah does say that He sent every nation a messenger and that they will be held accountable for what was revealed to them (Surah Al Baqarah I don't remember the exact verses but it's in that chapter).
Also according to Islamic scholars, there are over 200,000 messengers sent and only the big ones are mentioned in the Quran so the information is bound to overlap because it all comes from the same God.

TRUE ... but had I explained it to him ... he would think I am being apoligetic for what I said before

[Space-Cowboy]

You're welcome :D
You liked it?

Of course..... in fact, I think I'll post it here:



Al-Ghazali, The Alchemist Of Happiness



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4236904890349408032&q=Al-Ghazali%2C+The+Alchemist+Of+Happiness&hl=en



Imam Al Ghazali's life.. how he became a great philosopher among the religions and his significant contribution. Sufism.



:cool:

[soladylike]

TRUE ... but had I explained it to him ... he would think I am being apoligetic for what I said before

Space Cowboy isn't like that.
He's probably one of the most tolerant, open minded and educated members on this forum.
If anything, I think he gave you more proof to strengthen your faith and to show that Allah's signs are literally everywhere.

[soladylike]

Of course..... in fact, I think I'll post it here:



Al-Ghazali, The Alchemist Of Happiness



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4236904890349408032&q=Al-Ghazali%2C+The+Alchemist+Of+Happiness&hl=en



Imam Al Ghazali's life.. how he became a great philosopher among the religions and his significant contribution. Sufism.



:cool:

:cheers:
My grandfather has an entire library of Al Ghazali's works. Too bad the library is in Pakistan :tears:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

The assertion that non-Muslims cannot infiltrate Mecca is false. Guru Nanak Sahib jee was neither the first nor the last non-Muslim to visit or infiltrate Mecca. The most famous incident of a non-Muslim visiting Mecca was the visit by the British explorer Sir Richard Burton in 1853. Burton disguised himself as an Afghani Muslim to visit and write Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Al Madinah and Mecca. Therefore, how can it be impossible for Guru Nanak Sahib jee, who is ‘Akaal Roop’, the embodiment of the Divine Light of God, to visit Mecca? The who land belongs to God, so how can the Living Image of God, Guru Nanak Sahib jee be stopped travelling anywhere in the world. God or God’s power cannot be limited.

Sir Richard Burton 1848

Guru sahib dressed as a Fakeer, holy man, which meant a chola of khuddar (rough low grade material) and a pair of wooden sandals with his companion Baba Mardana jee, who was from a Muslim background, infiltrated the city of Mecca.

bwbw iPr m`ky gXw nIl bsqR Dwry bnvwrI]
Awsw h`Q ikqwb k`C kUjw bWg mus`lw DwrI]
“Donning blue attire then Baba Nanak went to Mecca. He held staff in his hand, pressed a book under his arm, caught hold of a metal pot and mattress.”
(Vaar 1, Pauree 32 – Bhai Gurdaas jee)

Dress in Sikhi and in Guru Nanak Sahib jee’s own words, carries no divinity or spiritual significance. He dressed as a Fakeer so as not to be thought a novice and thus excluded from religious discussions of the Muslims Fakeers of the time. Moreover wearing a Fakeer’s dress does not necessarily make one Muslim.


Only in more recent history has the security of Mecca and Medina been stepped up. However, even then non-Muslims are allowed to enter the city of Mecca as long as they have business there. In the past, several non-Muslims journalists and camera crew have been allowed in to create documentaries, as well as VIPs. For example, Mecca is currently in redevelopment; project under taken by architecture firm based in North America. Non-Muslim Architects ands engineers have been in Mecca and will continue until 2012. However that should not be confused with the existing rule in place that forbids non-Muslims from entering the area as others mentioned.


Muslims seeking to twist history and reality for their own agenda and world-view have totally manipulated the reason why Guru Nanak Sahib jee visited Mecca. Muslims go to Mecca to pay their homage and worship God (this pilgrimage is called Hajj in the Islamic faith), but this was not the purpose of Guru jee to go there. Guru jee says:
hj kwbY jwau n qIrQ pUjw ] eyko syvI Avru n dUjw ]2]
pUjw krau n invwj gujwrau ] eyk inrMkwr ly irdY nmskwrau ]3]
”I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines. I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2|| I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||”
(Ang 1136)

This shows that Guru jee did not visit Mecca to worship Allah. Instead, He went for different reasons. Muslims believe that God is in the west and only likes Muslims. Guru jee visited Mecca to clear their doubts and to show them the right path. He went to preach oneness of God who does not reside only in the west. Guru jee said there are infinite heavens, hells and solar systems. There is no end to God or His creation.


Guru Nanak Sahib jee is recorded to have visited Mecca not the Kaa’ba. The one thing clear from the historical evidence is that he visited Mecca with his companion, Baba Mardana jee, who was from a Muslim background. They stayed somewhere probably in a nearby village or town. Pilgrims do not stay in the Kaa’ba. They stay outside the holy shrine area in villages, towns or tents. It is also clear from the evidence that Guru Sahib is recorded as having slept with his feet ‘towards’ the Kaa’ba. If Guru Sahib were sleeping inside or nearby the Kaa’ba (which is not possible when millions visit it), there would not have been the account that we read today.

There is no mention anywhere that he observed ihram, did twaf, ran between Safwa and Marwa or sacrificed an animal. For pilgrimage all these rituals are abosultely essential. As for saying Namaz, there is no evidence that he followed an Imam or uttered Quranic verses anywhere. Furthermore, Guru Sahib no where wrote La Allah Illilah Mohammed Rasul Allah. If one still thinks that Guru Nanak Sahib jee was a Muslim, then would you accept such pretenders as Muslims who conceal their faith? Guru Sahib never stated that he was a Muslim, instead he did the opposite.

nw hm ihMdU n muslmwn ] Alh rwm ky ipMfu prwn ]4]
“I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||”
(Ang 1136)

I asked you a simple question ...

didn't make any accusation that NANAK was Muslim or whatever ... thats cool ... so your teacher taught you to worship 1 AND ONLY GOD .. who is FORMLESS ...

What else do you think Muslims do?

[Space-Cowboy]

Space Cowboy isn't like that.
He's probably one of the most tolerant, open minded and educated members on this forum.
If anything, I think he gave you more proof to strengthen your faith and to show that Allah's signs are literally everywhere.


I keep telling you, I'm not human!!!!! :mad:





Earth is getting annoying..... I wanna go home :(

[malkeet]

I asked you a simple question ...

didn't make any accusation that NANAK was Muslim or whatever ... thats cool ... so your teacher taught you to worship 1 AND ONLY GOD .. who is FORMLESS ...

What else do you think Muslims do?

from your question i persumed that you may be attempting to suggest that guruji was a muslim. I just wanted to make it clear that he didnt belong to any religion of the time period, he rejected many key principles of the 2 main religions of the time, islam and hinduism.

i am fully aware that islam teaches the worship of 1 god, and i have a lot of respect for all religions

[Space-Cowboy]

:cheers:
My grandfather has an entire library of Al Ghazali's works. Too bad the library is in Pakistan :tears:

Contact the Zaytuna Institute, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get all the works transported over to N.American universities/libraries :D

[Mr_MaSaLa]

i am fully aware that islam teaches the worship of 1 god.

So how do you argue our differences?

[Bajrang Bali]

IRON

4k4Jdl9RZFI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hadid

ONLY AFFIRMS IMAAN MASHALLAH !

007.146 : Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right - them will I turn away from My signs: Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them; and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way; but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt. For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them.
Wow that verse is right, I really don't believe it! lol

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Wow that verse is right, I really don't believe it! lol

At least you believe in something

[malkeet]

So how do you argue our differences?

I just wanted to make it clear that he didnt belong to any religion of the time period, he rejected many key principles of the 2 main religions of the time, islam and hinduism.

Bani Concerning Islam


Similarities

Fatherhood of God
Gurus believed that not only is God our Father, but He is Mother, Brother, Husband and Friend.
"Thou art my father, Thou art my mother, Thou art my kinsman and Thou art my brother. In all the places Thou art my protector. Then why should I feel fear and anxiety?" (Guru Arjan Dev, Majh, pg. 103)

Bismillah of the Quran and the Mul Mantra of the Guru Granth Sahib are both dedicated to One Merciful God and are placed at the beginning of every new chapter. In both the nature of God transcends all concepts of time.

"God is one. His name is True. He is the Creator. His is without fear. He is inimical to none. His existence is unlimited by time. He is beyond the cycles of birth and death, self existent and can be realized through the grace of the Guru." (Guru Nanak)

Emphasis on the Will of God in Quran is similar to the idea of Hukam in Guru Granth Sahib.

"Everyone is under the Hukam of the Lord; there is none outside it." (Guru Nanak, Japji)

Theory of creation of the world by the mere will of God.

"The night and day, the Lord created, for the world to do the deeds. Through the Guru's instruction, the mind is illuminated and the darkness is dispelled. In His will, He creates all and pervades all the woods and grass blades." (Guru Amar Das, pg. 948)

Encouragement of alms for the needy and poor

Condemnation of idol worship.

Condemnation of asceticism.

Concept of Holy War, but in Sikhism it is only limited to fighting injustice.


Differences

Sikhism does not believe that any Holy Book takes precedence over all others or any religions prophet is the final messenger of God.
"Say not that the Vedas and Muslim books are false. False is he, who reflects not on them." (Bhagat Kabir, Parbhati, pg. 1350)

"The followers of the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran, standing at Your Door, meditate on You. Uncounted are those who fall at Your Door." (Guru Arjan Dev, pg. 518)

"And many have been orthodox amongst the Muslims, and men of miracles, and Ashvini Kumaras, and the part-incarnations of Vishnu, all O all went the way of death. And many were the prophets and spiritual guides, yea, countless were they: they sprang from the dust and to dust they returned." (Guru Gobind Singh, Akal Ustati)

Purpose of the Holy Book

"Thus We have revealed the Koran in the Arabic tongue and proclaimed in it warnings and threats so that they may take heed and guard themselves against evil." (20:114 Quran)

"Upon this Plate, three things have been placed: Truth, Contentment and Contemplation. The Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, the Name of our Lord and Master, has been placed upon it as well; it is the Support of all. One who eats it and enjoys it shall be saved. This thing can never be forsaken; keep this always and forever in your mind. The dark world-ocean is crossed over, by grasping the Feet of the Lord; O Nanak, it is all the extension of God." (Guru Arjan Dev, Mundavanee, pg. 1429)

Sikhism believes that people of different religions are equally capable of achieving salvation while still following their own religion.

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (5:49, Quran)

"Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (48:29, Quran)

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms-tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving and merciful." (9:4, Quran)

"There is a garden, in which so many plants have grown. They bear the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam as their fruit. Consider this, O wise one, by which you may attain the state of Nirvaanaa. All around this garden are pools of poison, but within it is the Ambrosial Nectar, O Siblings of Destiny. There is only one gardener who tends it. He takes care of every leaf and branch. He brings all sorts of plants and plants them there. They all bear fruit - none is without fruit." (Guru Arjan Dev, Asa, pg. 385)

"The temple or the mosque are the same, the Hindu worship or the Musalman prayer are the same; all men are the same; it is through error they appear different. Deities, demons, Yakshas, heavenly singers, Musalmans and Hindus adopt the customary dress of their different countries. All men have the same eyes, the same ears, the same body, the same build, a compound of earth, air, fire, and water. Allah and Abhekh are the same, the Purans and the Quran are the same; they are all alike; it is the one God who created all. The Hindu God and the Muhammadan God are the same; let no man even by mistake suppose there is a difference." (Guru Gobind Singh, Akal Ustat, pg. 275)

Sri Guru Granth Sahib places greater emphasis on love of God as the main motivation for man rather than fear of God.

"Truly, none will take heed but the wise: those who keep faith with Allah and do not break their pledge; who join together what He has bidden to be united; who fear their Lord and dread the terrors of Judgement-day; who for the sake of Allah endure with fortitude..." (13:18, Quran)

"Allah's reward is great. Therefore fear Him with all your hearts and be attentive, obedient, and charitable. That will be best for you." (64:13, Quran)

"Within my heart, I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and celebrate the Word of the Lord's Shabad. The Lord Himself is pervading and permeating the world; so fall in love with Him!" (Guru Nanak Dev, pg. 790)

"Remembering Him in meditation, one abides in peace; one becomes happy, and suffering is ended. Celebrate, make merry, and sing God's Glories. Forever and ever, surrender to the True Guru." (Guru Arjan Dev, Asa, pg. 386)

Sikhism does not believe in the idea of Gods name being only those authorized in a religious tradition or Holy Book.

"Many are Thy Names and infinite Thine forms and it cannot be told how many merits Thou hast." (Guru Nanak, Asa, pg. 358)

Non-Sikhs are allowed to visit and enter the most sacred shrine of the religion, The Golden Temple.

"Believers, know that the idolaters are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended" (9:26, Quran)

"Blessed is the place, and blessed are those who dwell there, where God's Name is meditated upon. The sermons and songs of God's praises are sung there and there is nothing but peace, poise and tranquillity." (Guru Arjan Dev, Raga Bilaval, pg. 816)

"If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? …The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives." (Bhagat Kabir, pg. 1349)

Attitude towards women. Sikh women are allowed to lead congregations of men at the temple or administer all religious ceremonies involving either men or women.

"Man have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." (4:34, Quran)

"We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world through woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman" (Guru Nanak Dev, Var Asa, pg. 473)

Sikhism does not believe in women wearing veils.

"Stay, stay, O daughter-in-law - do not cover your face with a veil. In the end, this shall not bring you even half a shell." (Bhagat Kabir, Asa, pg. 484)

Sikhism does not believe in fasting or pilgrimages.

"The mind is not softened by fasting or austerities. Nothing else is equal to worship of the Lord's Name." (Guru Nanak Dev, Ramkali, pg. 905)

"The pilgrimage to shrines, fasting, cleanliness and self-mortification are not of any avail, nor are the rituals, religious ceremonies and hollow adoration's. Deliverance, O! Nanak! is in the devotional service of God. Through duality the mortal is engrossed in worldliness. (Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg. 75)

Sikhism rejects the killing of any animal evoking a prayer or by slow death. Muslim Halal meat is forbidden for Sikhs.

"Yet holding the knife, the world they butcher. Wearing blue the rulers approval they seek; With money derived from mlechhas the Puranas they worship. Goats slaughtered over the unapproved Muslims texts they eat." (Guru Nanak, Raga Asa, pg. 472)

Sikhism rejects the idea of circumcision.

"Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny. If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman?" (Bhagat Kabir, Asa, pg. 477)

[soladylike]

I keep telling you, I'm not human!!!!! :mad:





Earth is getting annoying..... I wanna go home :(

I never said "human" anywhere in that sentence. I just said "members".
You're SO touchy and sensitive *smack*
Since I'm a student at Zaytuna, they'll probably tell ME to go and get the books...*sigh*

[Space-Cowboy]

I never said "human" anywhere in that sentence. I just said "members".
You're SO touchy and sensitive *smack*
Since I'm a student at Zaytuna, they'll probably tell ME to go and get the books...*sigh*


:shock:!! You never told me this!! :shock:


Hmm... talk to Khannooniensingh on the forums.... I think he's got some contacts in Pakistan that are good at transporting books from there to here.... :dunno:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

I just wanted to make it clear that he didnt belong to any religion of the time period, he rejected many key principles of the 2 main religions of the time, islam and hinduism.

Bani Concerning Islam


Similarities

Fatherhood of God
Gurus believed that not only is God our Father, but He is Mother, Brother, Husband and Friend.
"Thou art my father, Thou art my mother, Thou art my kinsman and Thou art my brother. In all the places Thou art my protector. Then why should I feel fear and anxiety?" (Guru Arjan Dev, Majh, pg. 103)

Bismillah of the Quran and the Mul Mantra of the Guru Granth Sahib are both dedicated to One Merciful God and are placed at the beginning of every new chapter. In both the nature of God transcends all concepts of time.

"God is one. His name is True. He is the Creator. His is without fear. He is inimical to none. His existence is unlimited by time. He is beyond the cycles of birth and death, self existent and can be realized through the grace of the Guru." (Guru Nanak)

Emphasis on the Will of God in Quran is similar to the idea of Hukam in Guru Granth Sahib.

"Everyone is under the Hukam of the Lord; there is none outside it." (Guru Nanak, Japji)

Theory of creation of the world by the mere will of God.

"The night and day, the Lord created, for the world to do the deeds. Through the Guru's instruction, the mind is illuminated and the darkness is dispelled. In His will, He creates all and pervades all the woods and grass blades." (Guru Amar Das, pg. 948)

Encouragement of alms for the needy and poor

Condemnation of idol worship.

Condemnation of asceticism.

Concept of Holy War, but in Sikhism it is only limited to fighting injustice.


Differences

Sikhism does not believe that any Holy Book takes precedence over all others or any religions prophet is the final messenger of God.
"Say not that the Vedas and Muslim books are false. False is he, who reflects not on them." (Bhagat Kabir, Parbhati, pg. 1350)

"The followers of the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran, standing at Your Door, meditate on You. Uncounted are those who fall at Your Door." (Guru Arjan Dev, pg. 518)

"And many have been orthodox amongst the Muslims, and men of miracles, and Ashvini Kumaras, and the part-incarnations of Vishnu, all O all went the way of death. And many were the prophets and spiritual guides, yea, countless were they: they sprang from the dust and to dust they returned." (Guru Gobind Singh, Akal Ustati)

Purpose of the Holy Book

"Thus We have revealed the Koran in the Arabic tongue and proclaimed in it warnings and threats so that they may take heed and guard themselves against evil." (20:114 Quran)

"Upon this Plate, three things have been placed: Truth, Contentment and Contemplation. The Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, the Name of our Lord and Master, has been placed upon it as well; it is the Support of all. One who eats it and enjoys it shall be saved. This thing can never be forsaken; keep this always and forever in your mind. The dark world-ocean is crossed over, by grasping the Feet of the Lord; O Nanak, it is all the extension of God." (Guru Arjan Dev, Mundavanee, pg. 1429)

Sikhism believes that people of different religions are equally capable of achieving salvation while still following their own religion.

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (5:49, Quran)

"Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (48:29, Quran)

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms-tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving and merciful." (9:4, Quran)

"There is a garden, in which so many plants have grown. They bear the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam as their fruit. Consider this, O wise one, by which you may attain the state of Nirvaanaa. All around this garden are pools of poison, but within it is the Ambrosial Nectar, O Siblings of Destiny. There is only one gardener who tends it. He takes care of every leaf and branch. He brings all sorts of plants and plants them there. They all bear fruit - none is without fruit." (Guru Arjan Dev, Asa, pg. 385)

"The temple or the mosque are the same, the Hindu worship or the Musalman prayer are the same; all men are the same; it is through error they appear different. Deities, demons, Yakshas, heavenly singers, Musalmans and Hindus adopt the customary dress of their different countries. All men have the same eyes, the same ears, the same body, the same build, a compound of earth, air, fire, and water. Allah and Abhekh are the same, the Purans and the Quran are the same; they are all alike; it is the one God who created all. The Hindu God and the Muhammadan God are the same; let no man even by mistake suppose there is a difference." (Guru Gobind Singh, Akal Ustat, pg. 275)

Sri Guru Granth Sahib places greater emphasis on love of God as the main motivation for man rather than fear of God.

"Truly, none will take heed but the wise: those who keep faith with Allah and do not break their pledge; who join together what He has bidden to be united; who fear their Lord and dread the terrors of Judgement-day; who for the sake of Allah endure with fortitude..." (13:18, Quran)

"Allah's reward is great. Therefore fear Him with all your hearts and be attentive, obedient, and charitable. That will be best for you." (64:13, Quran)

"Within my heart, I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and celebrate the Word of the Lord's Shabad. The Lord Himself is pervading and permeating the world; so fall in love with Him!" (Guru Nanak Dev, pg. 790)

"Remembering Him in meditation, one abides in peace; one becomes happy, and suffering is ended. Celebrate, make merry, and sing God's Glories. Forever and ever, surrender to the True Guru." (Guru Arjan Dev, Asa, pg. 386)

Sikhism does not believe in the idea of Gods name being only those authorized in a religious tradition or Holy Book.

"Many are Thy Names and infinite Thine forms and it cannot be told how many merits Thou hast." (Guru Nanak, Asa, pg. 358)

Non-Sikhs are allowed to visit and enter the most sacred shrine of the religion, The Golden Temple.

"Believers, know that the idolaters are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended" (9:26, Quran)

"Blessed is the place, and blessed are those who dwell there, where God's Name is meditated upon. The sermons and songs of God's praises are sung there and there is nothing but peace, poise and tranquillity." (Guru Arjan Dev, Raga Bilaval, pg. 816)

"If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? …The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives." (Bhagat Kabir, pg. 1349)

Attitude towards women. Sikh women are allowed to lead congregations of men at the temple or administer all religious ceremonies involving either men or women.

"Man have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." (4:34, Quran)

"We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world through woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman" (Guru Nanak Dev, Var Asa, pg. 473)

Sikhism does not believe in women wearing veils.

"Stay, stay, O daughter-in-law - do not cover your face with a veil. In the end, this shall not bring you even half a shell." (Bhagat Kabir, Asa, pg. 484)

Sikhism does not believe in fasting or pilgrimages.

"The mind is not softened by fasting or austerities. Nothing else is equal to worship of the Lord's Name." (Guru Nanak Dev, Ramkali, pg. 905)

"The pilgrimage to shrines, fasting, cleanliness and self-mortification are not of any avail, nor are the rituals, religious ceremonies and hollow adoration's. Deliverance, O! Nanak! is in the devotional service of God. Through duality the mortal is engrossed in worldliness. (Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg. 75)

Sikhism rejects the killing of any animal evoking a prayer or by slow death. Muslim Halal meat is forbidden for Sikhs.

"Yet holding the knife, the world they butcher. Wearing blue the rulers approval they seek; With money derived from mlechhas the Puranas they worship. Goats slaughtered over the unapproved Muslims texts they eat." (Guru Nanak, Raga Asa, pg. 472)

Sikhism rejects the idea of circumcision.

"Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny. If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman?" (Bhagat Kabir, Asa, pg. 477)

LOL - So I'm here trying to have a dialogue with you but you instead are choosing to show the "bad" side of Islam to me to prove why you don't believe in it ? hmmm

[Mr_MaSaLa]

I never said "human" anywhere in that sentence. I just said "members".
You're SO touchy and sensitive *smack*
Since I'm a student at Zaytuna, they'll probably tell ME to go and get the books...*sigh*

You are a student in ZAYTUNA?

Do you live in HAYWARD (or whereever it is) or is it ONLINE?

[Space-Cowboy]

To my knowledge, the key feature of Sikhi that differentiates Waheguru Ji from the Abrahamic God is the matter of non-dualism.

Waheguru Ji is non-dualistic, where all things in the universe, you, me, the stars, etc. are all a part of, and in fact One with Waheguru Ji. We are One and there is only One.





[Sikhi is as much a part of me as the other three Karmic traditions]

[soladylike]

:shock:!! You never told me this!! :shock:


Hmm... talk to Khannooniensingh on the forums.... I think he's got some contacts in Pakistan that are good at transporting books from there to here.... :dunno:

I told you I went to Hayward and enrolled at Zaytuna!!!
Or maybe I forgot the enrolled part :think: Anyhoo, I start at the end of August :dance3:
I'm not sure if my grandpa is going to be all gung ho about random people going into his house.
Next time, my grandfather goes to Pakistan, I should go with him so I can bring back the books.
(I so hate going to Pakistan ickh)

[malkeet]

LOL - So I'm here trying to have a dialogue with you but you instead are choosing to show the "bad" side of Islam to me to prove why you don't believe in it ? hmmm

im trying to show the key differences. i dont mean to offend you, i am sorry if i have.

[Space-Cowboy]

I told you I went to Hayward and enrolled at Zaytuna!!!
Or maybe I forgot the enrolled part :think: Anyhoo, I start at the end of August :dance3:
I'm not sure if my grandpa is going to be all gung ho about random people going into his house.


:rofl:

[soladylike]

You are a student in ZAYTUNA?

Do you live in HAYWARD (or whereever it is) or is it ONLINE?

I'm not living in Hayward yet. The new term starts end of August so I'll go there then.
The Institute is closed for the summer. All the sheikhs travel to meet other sheikhs and scholars during the summer. I know that Imam Zaid and Sheikh Hamza Yusuf are going to Saudi Arabia for some conference.
Well, that's what the lady in the office said.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

im trying to show the key differences. i dont mean to offend you, i am sorry if i have.

Its ok ... but the thing is ... the differences you are showing me is because every verse you pointed (or copied) is fabricated ... they are manipulated to sound nasty and voilent ... I'm sure you don't speak arabic ... let me give you a better translation if I can and let you decide the huge difference ..

[malkeet]

Its ok ... but the thing is ... the differences you are showing me is because every verse you pointed (or copied) is fabricated ... they are manipulated to sound nasty and voilent ... I'm sure you don't speak arabic ... let me give you a better translation if I can and let you decide the huge difference ..

but then how do i know the verse you are giving hasnt also been fabricated and manipulated. It do appreciate that a meanings are lost in translations. anyways im off, we;ve sidetracked from the original point of the thread.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

I'm not living in Hayward yet. The new term starts end of August so I'll go there then.
The Institute is closed for the summer. All the sheikhs travel to meet other sheikhs and scholars during the summer. I know that Imam Zaid and Sheikh Hamza Yusuf are going to Saudi Arabia for some conference.
Well, that's what the lady in the office said.

I so want to go there INSHALLAH ...

How are the living arrangements? Do they help you wth it? Is there some "on-campus" deal?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

but then how do i know the verse you are giving hasnt also been fabricated and manipulated. It do appreciate that a meanings are lost in translations. anyways im off, we;ve sidetracked from the original point of the thread.

Translation difference and deliberate Manipulation are two different things ... you extracted verses which are DELIBERATELY changed in english (there is no way in hell anyone can do so in the ORIGINAL Arabic language) to make it sound more voilent and nasty.

[soladylike]

I so want to go there INSHALLAH ...

How are the living arrangements? Do they help you wth it? Is there some "on-campus" deal?

You pretty much have to arrange for your living quarters yourself if you plan to attend the regular classes. If you go there for a one day lecture then usually there's a brother who is making lodging arrangements. If you register for that one day lecture, they'll email you information about the lodgings.
The lady in the office told me that currently the Institute is working on trying to buy the apartments next to the school and turn it into a dorm because they have so many students attending from outside of Hayward. They're working on expanding the Institute itself because the classroom area is pretty small. And it serves as a mosque at the same time. It's a really beautiful campus altogether though.
I forgot to add this in the last post but Zaytuna is starting up their Distance Learning program. On their website they don't have much information but I'll pm you the brother's number and email address whose in charge of it.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

You pretty much have to arrange for your living quarters yourself if you plan to attend the regular classes. If you go there for a one day lecture then usually there's a brother who is making lodging arrangements. If you register for that one day lecture, they'll email you information about the lodgings.
The lady in the office told me that currently the Institute is working on trying to buy the apartments next to the school and turn it into a dorm because they have so many students attending from outside of Hayward. They're working on expanding the Institute itself because the classroom area is pretty small. And it serves as a mosque at the same time. It's a really beautiful campus altogether though.
I forgot to add this in the last post but Zaytuna is starting up their Distance Learning program. On their website they don't have much information but I'll pm you the brother's number and email address whose in charge of it.

I saw zaytuna's picture gallery on their website ... and I just fell in love with the environment of love and brotherhood they were seeking knowledge ...

Plus HAMZA YUSUF is arguably one of the most intelligent man alive and I love his lectures on youtube ...

INSHALLAH I'll enroll soon ...

which courses are you taking?

[soladylike]

I saw zaytuna's picture gallery on their website ... and I just fell in love with the environment of love and brotherhood they were seeking knowledge ...

Plus HAMZA YUSUF is arguably one of the most intelligent man alive and I love his lectures on youtube ...

INSHALLAH I'll enroll soon ...

which courses are you taking?

Oh yeah, he's quite knowledgeable mashAllah. Have you heard any of Imam Zaid Shakir's lectures? He's one of the sheikhs at the Institute as well. He has his own website and he has some of his articles and lectures on there as well. He has a more laidback attitude but just as informative mashAllah.
Though at the Institute, Sheikh Hamza Yusuf and Imam Zaid Shakir don't really teach the regular courses. They'll give a one day lecture during the semester but teaching a regular course is a bit difficult for them I guess since they're traveling so much.
There are no courses being offered right now. They'll put the list of the Fall courses up in August. I'll probably start out with an Arabic course and a Prophet seerah course and a fiqh one as well. Those are the regular ones they offer.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Oh yeah, he's quite knowledgeable mashAllah. Have you heard any of Imam Zaid Shakir's lectures? He's one of the sheikhs at the Institute as well. He has his own website and he has some of his articles and lectures on there as well. He has a more laidback attitude but just as informative mashAllah.
Though at the Institute, Sheikh Hamza Yusuf and Imam Zaid Shakir don't really teach the regular courses. They'll give a one day lecture during the semester but teaching a regular course is a bit difficult for them I guess since they're traveling so much.
There are no courses being offered right now. They'll put the list of the Fall courses up in August. I'll probably start out with an Arabic course and a Prophet seerah course and a fiqh one as well. Those are the regular ones they offer.

So after taking all these course do they offer you some type of degree?

[soladylike]

So after taking all these course do they offer you some type of degree?

Yeah, you have to talk to them about it first. Tell them that you're looking to earn a degree from there and they'll draw out a course outline for you telling you which courses to take and when. It's like a regular university once you enroll as a fulltime student. With that, you also take courses that are not made open to the public and only a few students are in it, like 2-3. As you progress further in your classes, your lectures start in full on Arabic. If you call them ahead of time, they'll let you sit in one of those lectures. When I went there to enroll and check out the Institute, I sat in on this lecture on how judicial matters are decided depending upon the various fiqhs. There were 3 students there altogether, 2 ladies and 1 guy. I have no idea what they were saying since it was all in Arabic.
And yes, you are given a degree once you finish :dance3:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Yeah, you have to talk to them about it first. Tell them that you're looking to earn a degree from there and they'll draw out a course outline for you telling you which courses to take and when. It's like a regular university once you enroll as a fulltime student. With that, you also take courses that are not made open to the public and only a few students are in it, like 2-3. As you progress further in your classes, your lectures start in full on Arabic. If you call them ahead of time, they'll let you sit in one of those lectures. When I went there to enroll and check out the Institute, I sat in on this lecture on how judicial matters are decided depending upon the various fiqhs. There were 3 students there altogether, 2 ladies and 1 guy. I have no idea what they were saying since it was all in Arabic.
And yes, you are given a degree once you finish :dance3:

Thats sweet ...

INSHALLAH I'll contact them ...

Thanks and good luck bro

[soladylike]

Thats sweet ...

INSHALLAH I'll contact them ...

Thanks and good luck bro

I'm a sis :squint:
:slap:

Good luck :wavey:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

I'm a sis :squint:
:slap:

Good luck :wavey:

my bad :D

Good luck SISTER !

[Space-Cowboy]

I'm a sis :squint:


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[shy_sadia]

this thread is a fu'ken joke commonnnnn!!! like wtf...it's like saying...if you see sunlight in the morning that's a different color than yellow than i'm right about everything..so if the sun rise shows red, orange, ect..colors than i'm right..this is idiotic...these kinds of threads get on my nurves

[crzyabcd]

hahah what do you gain by imposing your religion on others? just sooo that you can convert someone and you get free ticket to heaven? Besidess there iS NO FEEE concept in any aspect of life its all about hard work and dedication.

[N0M0R3]

I did read it

now do you make your semen in your ribs



i donnt wanted to go in detail bcooz i didnt read the tafsir of that ayah in detail

...
but it says

(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. (their sexual fluids).'':neutral:

[nex_man]

(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. (their sexual fluids).''
Moiz Amjad offers the second explanation in his article ‘Does the sperm come from between the back and the ribs?’ He states that this verse, replies to the claims of the unbelievers at the time of revelation that denied the reality of resurrection.


In this context the Quran has euphemistically referred to the male genital area as ‘between the backbone and the ribs’ since it does not want to refer to the organ by name for reasons of purity and also because it was effectively saying ‘you are denying God’s message when you are just a lowly mortal created from a place not even worth mentioning’. He has shown in his article how a straight external line from the backbone and ribs does cover the male sexual area including the testicles. So, the Quran has not made any scientific error but referred euphemistically to the male genital area, from which sperm is poured out. Please read his full article for clarification of any doubts about the use of euphemisms like this in the Quran.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/nadeem_embryology.htm

[zzahmad786]

the only miracles in quran are its contradictions that hurt me :(

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=contradictions+in+quran&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[nex_man]

Kool, and heres the refutations :p


http://www.load-islam.com/wel_islam.php?topic_id=2
www.islamic-awareness.org/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/
http://www.muslimanswers.com/
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/

[zzahmad786]

here are more contradictions, earth is flat in quran:



Q. 13:3 And He it is who hath outstretched the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains Madda

Q. 15:19 And the earth have WE spread out Madadnaha

Q. 20:53 [since he is the One] Who has laid out the earth as a carpet for you Mahdan`

Q. 2:22 Who made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof Firasha

Q. 43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out Mahdan`

Q. 50:6-7 What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how we have built it, and decked it out fair, and it has no cracks? And the earth -- We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and we caused to grow therein of every joyous kind Madadnaha

Q. 51:48 And the earth we have spread out, and how excellently do we spread it out! Farashnaha

Q. 71:19 And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet Bisata

Q. 78:6 Have WE not made the earth as a bed, And the mountains as pegs Mihada

Q. 79:27-30 What, are you stronger in constitution or the heaven He built? He lifted up its vault, and levelled it, and darkened its night, and brought forth its forenoon; and the earth - after that He spread it out... Dahaha

Q. 88:20 Nor even how the earth has been flattened out? Sutehat

Q. 91:5-6 By the heaven and that which built it and by the earth and That which extended it! Tahaha

Quran described the shape of earth using the following Arabic words:

Madda, Madadnaha, Firasha, Mahdan, Farashnaha, Bisata, Mihada, Dahaha, Tahaha and Sutehat.

Every one of them means FLAT.

[Desi MC]

Don't you talk about anything else except Muslims?
Lets get him banned :anger:

[Space-Cowboy]

here are more contradictions, earth is flat in quran:



Q. 13:3 And He it is who hath outstretched the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains Madda

Q. 15:19 And the earth have WE spread out Madadnaha

Q. 20:53 [since he is the One] Who has laid out the earth as a carpet for you Mahdan`

Q. 2:22 Who made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof Firasha

Q. 43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out Mahdan`

Q. 50:6-7 What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how we have built it, and decked it out fair, and it has no cracks? And the earth -- We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and we caused to grow therein of every joyous kind Madadnaha

Q. 51:48 And the earth we have spread out, and how excellently do we spread it out! Farashnaha

Q. 71:19 And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet Bisata

Q. 78:6 Have WE not made the earth as a bed, And the mountains as pegs Mihada

Q. 79:27-30 What, are you stronger in constitution or the heaven He built? He lifted up its vault, and levelled it, and darkened its night, and brought forth its forenoon; and the earth - after that He spread it out... Dahaha

Q. 88:20 Nor even how the earth has been flattened out? Sutehat

Q. 91:5-6 By the heaven and that which built it and by the earth and That which extended it! Tahaha

Quran described the shape of earth using the following Arabic words:

Madda, Madadnaha, Firasha, Mahdan, Farashnaha, Bisata, Mihada, Dahaha, Tahaha and Sutehat.

Every one of them means FLAT.

adren@line?

[nex_man]

the refutations here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_round.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm


ama alow it now.. lol




inabit.

[zzahmad786]

None of them prove Earth is spherical, Mohammed sed its flat, only hunderds of years after Muslim scholars realised its spherical, when west had already realised.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

this thread is a fu'ken joke commonnnnn!!! like wtf...it's like saying...if you see sunlight in the morning that's a different color than yellow than i'm right about everything..so if the sun rise shows red, orange, ect..colors than i'm right..this is idiotic...these kinds of threads get on my nurves

It would help if you make some sense ...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

hahah what do you gain by imposing your religion on others? just sooo that you can convert someone and you get free ticket to heaven? Besidess there iS NO FEEE concept in any aspect of life its all about hard work and dedication.

I'm sick and tired of RETARDS like you thinking that for some reason I want to "IMPOSE" my religion on your asses ...

I was sharing something with my co-religionist ... it wasn't for everybody ...

It would really help if people like you don't always have to open their mouth and prove their stupidity.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

None of them prove Earth is spherical, Mohammed sed its flat, only hunderds of years after Muslim scholars realised its spherical, when west had already realised.

Is it really this nice pulling stuff out of your ass ???

[Mr_MaSaLa]

here are more contradictions, earth is flat in quran:



Q. 13:3 And He it is who hath outstretched the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains Madda

Q. 15:19 And the earth have WE spread out Madadnaha

Q. 20:53 [since he is the One] Who has laid out the earth as a carpet for you Mahdan`

Q. 2:22 Who made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof Firasha

Q. 43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out Mahdan`

Q. 50:6-7 What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how we have built it, and decked it out fair, and it has no cracks? And the earth -- We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and we caused to grow therein of every joyous kind Madadnaha

Q. 51:48 And the earth we have spread out, and how excellently do we spread it out! Farashnaha

Q. 71:19 And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet Bisata

Q. 78:6 Have WE not made the earth as a bed, And the mountains as pegs Mihada

Q. 79:27-30 What, are you stronger in constitution or the heaven He built? He lifted up its vault, and levelled it, and darkened its night, and brought forth its forenoon; and the earth - after that He spread it out... Dahaha

Q. 88:20 Nor even how the earth has been flattened out? Sutehat

Q. 91:5-6 By the heaven and that which built it and by the earth and That which extended it! Tahaha

Quran described the shape of earth using the following Arabic words:

Madda, Madadnaha, Firasha, Mahdan, Farashnaha, Bisata, Mihada, Dahaha, Tahaha and Sutehat.

Every one of them means FLAT.

So when you walk on Earth, do you feel like you are walking on a BALL?

I can see where you got all these so-called "contradictions" from ...

Here is a tip if you really want to refute Islam, use your brain ... not your balls! :shame:

[zzahmad786]

So when you walk on Earth, do you feel like you are walking on a BALL?

I can see where you got all these so-called "contradictions" from ...

Here is a tip if you really want to refute Islam, use your brain ... not your balls! :shame:

No but this is not what the verses say, each verse does not say the land we walk on is flat, BUT SAYS THE PLANET earth is flat.

madda etc, all those words above in the first post, mean FLAT in arabic.

i am ashamed of this.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

No but this is not what the verses say, each verse does not say the land we walk on is flat, BUT SAYS THE PLANET earth is flat.

madda etc, all those words above in the first post, mean FLAT in arabic.

i am ashamed of this.

Its your interpretation stuffed with IGNORANCE!

Brother has already given you the refutation ... and if you are so ASHAMED ... what makes you still be a MUSLIM?

[zzahmad786]

Its your interpretation stuffed with IGNORANCE!

Brother has already given you the refutation ... and if you are so ASHAMED ... what makes you still be a MUSLIM?

astrafigulah, the refutation has not convinced me :(

my father understands arabic and also says all those words mean our planet is flat

[N0M0R3]

the only miracles in quran are its contradictions that hurt me :(

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=contradictions+in+quran&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Allaah says:

Had it been from other than Allaah, they would surely, have found therein many a contradiction

[al-Nisa 4:82 interpretation of the meaning]

But it is free from any shortcoming, error or contradiction; indeed, all of it is wisdom, mercy and justice. Whoever thinks that there is any contradiction in it, that is because of his diseased thinking and mistaken understanding; if he refers to the scholars they will explain to him what is correct and clear up the confusion for him, as Allaah says:

Verily, those who disbelieved in the Reminder (i.e. the Quraan) when it came to them (shall receive the punishment). And verily, it is an honourable well fortified respected Book (because it is Allaahs Speech, and He has protected it from corruption).

Falsehood cannot come to it from before it or behind it, (it is) sent down by the All Wise, Worthy of all praise (Allaah)”

[Fussilat 41:41-42 interpretation of the meaning]

[N0M0R3]

astrafigulah, the refutation has not convinced me :(

my father understands arabic and also says all those words mean our planet is flat
is he an arab ??? i bet he is not ...

Quraan Revealed in Arabic language and the proof that it is the word of Allaah, these are specious arguments which were put forward out of stubbornness and arrogance by the first kaafirs to whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was sent. Allaah refuted what they said in many ways, proving their words to be false and pointing out what was wrong with it. For example:

1- This Quraan is challenge from Allaah to mankind and the jinn to produce anything like it, but they were unable to.

Then He challenged them to produce only ten soorahs like it, and they were unable to.

Then He challenged them to produce something like the shortest soorah in the Quraan, and they could not do it, even though those who were being challenged were the most eloquent and well-spoken of mankind, and the Quraan was revealed in their language.

Yet despite that they stated that they were completely incapable of doing that. This challenge has remained down throughout history, but not one person has been able to produce anything like it. If this were the word of a human being, some people would have been able to produce something like it or close to it. There is a great deal of evidence for this challenge in the Quraan, for example, the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

Say: If the mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Quraan, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another ;

[al-Israa 17:88]

Allaah says, challenging them to produce just ten soorahs:


Or they say, He (Prophet Muhammad) forged it (the Quraan). Say: Bring you then ten forged Soorah (chapters) like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than Allaah (to your help), if you speak the truth!

[Hood 11:13 interpretation of the meaning]


Allaah says, challenging them to produce just one soorah:

And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Quraan) to Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a Soorah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allaah, if you are truthful

[al-Baqarah 2:23 interpretation of the meaning]

[N0M0R3]

adren@line?

i think he is and if he is "adren@line" then i know him froom American desiz and desii net he is not even a muslim !

[Space-Cowboy]

i think he is and if he is "adren@line" then i know him froom American desiz and desii net he is not even a muslim !

wha? adren@line used to post on these forums before you joined here...

[desi_uk]

No but this is not what the verses say, each verse does not say the land we walk on is flat, BUT SAYS THE PLANET earth is flat.

madda etc, all those words above in the first post, mean FLAT in arabic.

i am ashamed of this.
get a life i mean seriously and grow some balls and post with ur real sn so we all know who u r, pathetic

[N0M0R3]

wha? adren@line used to post on these forums before you joined here...

yes he was banned from American desiz !