muslim girl honour killed

[zzahmad786]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6722699.stm

But Islam allows us to beat our women so was this actually ok? But just a bit to far? Should she have just been beaten? See below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk&mode=related&search=

[flow-natural]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6722699.stm

But Islam allows us to beat our women so was this actually ok? But just a bit to far? Should she have just been beaten? See below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk&mode=related&search=

STFU

[chicago85thst]

this has nothing to do with islam dude it has to do with crazy sick fucks

[xTUSHx]

:no: poor girl. i hope those motherfuckers get theirs in prison.

[xTUSHx]

this has nothing to do with islam dude it has to do with crazy sick fucks

yeah its cuz they're insane, not muslim.

[MrT]

Why don't these people stay back home with their obsolete ideologies? Why bring their kids to a place where they know the culture is different and something like this is going to happen?

[flow-natural]

attackkkkkkkkkkkk

[chicago85thst]

attackkkkkkkkkkkk


:ugh:

[zzahmad786]

yeah its cuz they're insane, not muslim.


No its not cos they insane, ISlam and muslims ARE allowed to beat women and girls. Ok not kill, but she should have been beaten instead look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H7cYbCgRJgs

As men, we have control over your women who are a lower species accoridng to Allah has spoken. We are allowed to beat you if you do these kinds of things.

[xTUSHx]

No its not cos they insane, ISlam and muslims ARE allowed to beat women and girls. Ok not kill, but she should have been beaten instead look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H7cYbCgRJgs

As men, we have control over your women who are a lower species accoridng to Allah has spoken. We are allowed to beat you if you do these kinds of things.

:neutral: do u really believe that? i mean honestly.

[xTUSHx]

also.. it says that she was beaten, at her uncles' or something like that.. but then she kept seeing the guy.

[zzahmad786]

yes i do belive tht, it says in the quran women came from a crooked rib of a man.

hence we are higher, women should be beaten according to the Quran. Also i guess she did recieve a few beats, but killing is wrong, only nonmuslims are to be killed according to the Quran, though beatings and killings are sick.

[xTUSHx]

yes i do belive tht, it says in the quran women came from a crooked rib of a man.

hence we are higher, women should be beaten according to the Quran. Also i guess she did recieve a few beats, but killing is wrong, only nonmuslims are to be killed according to the Quran, though beatings and killings are sick.

you contradict yourself.

also, nonmuslims and muslims might commit the same crimes.. what makes it that one group can be killed and the other cant?

..and i wholeheartedly disagree with everything you wrote up there, except for the fact that beatings and killings are sick.

[zzahmad786]

you contradict yourself.

also, nonmuslims and muslims might commit the same crimes.. what makes it that one group can be killed and the other cant?

..and i wholeheartedly disagree with everything you wrote up there, except for the fact that beatings and killings are sick.

sorry i meant killings are sick, not beatings, mohammed allows this.

[vishaalsood]

that person was quoting the koran, are you saying he is lying? if allah said light beatings are ok, what kind of a sick religion is this?

[zzahmad786]

that person was quoting the koran, are you saying he is lying? if allah said light beatings are ok, what kind of a sick religion is this?

Beatings are ok according to the Quran yes. Women are made from a crooked rib, and are a lower species.

Google it. This hurt me a lot, but makes sense to me because we are closer to God than lowly women.

[vishaalsood]

Beatings are ok according to the Quran yes. Women are made from a crooked rib, and are a lower species.

Google it. This hurt me a lot, but makes sense to me because we are closer to God than lowly women.

islam has alot of issues to sort out. I have muslim friends so i am not narrow minded, but this sort of chat is unaccepable. Men, women, we are all humans, no1 is ranked above anyone. it is not right

[xTUSHx]

islam has alot of issues to sort out. I have muslim friends so i am not narrow minded, but this sort of chat is unaccepable. Men, women, we are all humans, no1 is ranked above anyone. it is not right

:werd:

[*waj*]

this has nothing to do with islam dude it has to do with crazy sick fucks
agreed

[mog]

Wer did u get this from

[xTUSHx]

Wer did u get this from

it was on the news, apparently.

[mog]

wat I am tryin 2 say is dat if God allows us to beat our women, then why wud we have women in this world, remember this evry creation on earth has the opposite. wer eva u got da information from I am sure it is wrong. otherwise da whole world shud be full of men....... I seriously don't know why people keep going on and on about religions and wat happens then we all take da piss out of each other.

[xTUSHx]

wat I am tryin 2 say is dat if God allows us to beat our women, then why wud we have women in this world, remember this evry creation on earth has the opposite. wer eva u got da information from I am sure it is wrong. otherwise da whole world shud be full of men....... I seriously don't know why people keep going on and on about religions and wat happens then we all take da piss out of each other.

oh, yeah. i agree, that part seems like bullshit.

[mog]

See people don't realize this that when ever people talk about their religions then some other people think very narrow minded like for example this subject that we r talkin about. think about it, obviuosly people r gonna take da piss coz 2 dem it is pathetic, like I say to my friends when ever ur avin a discussion or talking about some subject then let the other person know what u r trying to say. wether they agree or not. I ain't practising but I don't wana talk about any religions.

[cerberus]

The guy is obviosuly not a muslim.

I mean look at his posts. Every time he mentions it he's enphasising words, and saying things like Mohammad allows it and stuff, to try and get people to notice those things. Who in the world does that unless they are trying to convince people of something.

He's here to try and get a rise out of muslims and hence either more arguements or another 20 page thread so that it increases RD's worth again.


Personally i think he should be banned cos he's obviosuly not a muslim. If you talk to ANYONE who believes that we are alowed to beat our women and so forth could u even imagine them say the exact words this joker is saying?

You'd be like "whats wrong with you?"

[cerberus]

Beatings are ok according to the Quran yes. Women are made from a crooked rib, and are a lower species.

Google it. This hurt me a lot, but makes sense to me because we are closer to God than lowly women.


Gaylord. Show me a quote fromt eh Qu'ran that says we are allowed to. And don't even bother with mis-translations, tey wont be accepted.

Yes there is a passage which idiots who have no knowledge of Arabic language or Qu'ranic interpretations translate and get it completely wrong.

Once again this guy is not a muslim. Its so obvious and he should be banned

[nex_man]

that person was quoting the koran, are you saying he is lying? if allah said light beatings are ok, what kind of a sick religion is this?
hm.. its kool man, n i thought u waz in2 thinkin that islaam wasn't all dat bad. u proved me wrong;


1. The verse is speaking about a scenario where the wife is guilty of manifest indecency.
2. In the scenario the husband has exhausted other methods of dispute resolution such as dialogue and temporary seperation.
3. In this scenario the Qur'an gives a dispensation - not a command or even a recommendation - to use the method of 'daraba', when it will prove productive in evoking recognition on the part of the other party of the gravity of the situation and the manner in which their behaviour is threatening the relationship.
4. The word 'daraba' has been grossly distorted when translated as 'beat' because 'beat' implies repetitive violent strikes with intent to cause injury and harm - all of which is against Islam.
5. Daraba has been described as a non-violent swat/hit that does not cause harm, nor targets the face or private parts, but is almost as mild as the strike of a miswâk (twig).
6. Also, one is prohibited from hitting when angry, as the other hadith on anger show.*
7. If the man is guilty of manifest indecency, then the wife can seek third-party mediation or get the arbitration of a judge. She should never stay in an abusive household, and the reason why she is not given the option to hit him is because that may endanger her further.
8. However, if he hurts her and she takes him to court, then by Islamic law she can have the same done to him that he did to her.


Again, these are just basic points without the detailed explanation and justification - if you're interested in that please go through and read the thread.
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/33...beating-10.html (http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/33209-wife-beating-10.html)?

[xTUSHx]

yea the threadmaker seems a little too overboard with his statements. "lowly women"??

[Bamiyan]

The guy is obviosuly not a muslim.

I mean look at his posts. Every time he mentions it he's enphasising words, and saying things like Mohammad allows it and stuff, to try and get people to notice those things. Who in the world does that unless they are trying to convince people of something.

He's here to try and get a rise out of muslims and hence either more arguements or another 20 page thread so that it increases RD's worth again.


Personally i think he should be banned cos he's obviosuly not a muslim. If you talk to ANYONE who believes that we are alowed to beat our women and so forth could u even imagine them say the exact words this joker is saying?

You'd be like "whats wrong with you?"

Agreed.

[xTUSHx]

hm.. its kool man, n i thought u waz in2 thinkin that islaam wasn't all dat bad. u proved me wrong;


1. The verse is speaking about a scenario where the wife is guilty of manifest indecency.
2. In the scenario the husband has exhausted other methods of dispute resolution such as dialogue and temporary seperation.
3. In this scenario the Qur'an gives a dispensation - not a command or even a recommendation - to use the method of 'daraba', when it will prove productive in evoking recognition on the part of the other party of the gravity of the situation and the manner in which their behaviour is threatening the relationship.
4. The word 'daraba' has been grossly distorted when translated as 'beat' because 'beat' implies repetitive violent strikes with intent to cause injury and harm - all of which is against Islam.
5. Daraba has been described as a non-violent swat/hit that does not cause harm, nor targets the face or private parts, but is almost as mild as the strike of a miswâk (twig).
6. Also, one is prohibited from hitting when angry, as the other hadith on anger show.*
7. If the man is guilty of manifest indecency, then the wife can seek third-party mediation or get the arbitration of a judge. She should never stay in an abusive household, and the reason why she is not given the option to hit him is because that may endanger her further.
8. However, if he hurts her and she takes him to court, then by Islamic law she can have the same done to him that he did to her.


Again, these are just basic points without the detailed explanation and justification - if you're interested in that please go through and read the thread.
http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/33...beating-10.html (http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/33209-wife-beating-10.html)?

thanks for carifying. but even the swatting with a twig thing seems wrong to me. i think if you're up to the point where you're about to hit your spouse, you might as well separate. at least for a while.

[*1001Nights*]

No its not cos they insane, ISlam and muslims ARE allowed to beat women and girls. Ok not kill, but she should have been beaten instead look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H7cYbCgRJgs

As men, we have control over your women who are a lower species accoridng to Allah has spoken. We are allowed to beat you if you do these kinds of things.
stop talking shit....thats not even true....by the way the guy arguing w/the women in the second video link is a misinformed ass......

[cerberus]

Also just to enhance what Islam thinks of women:

Only by having three daughters and raising them correctly can a man be guaranteed heaven. If women are inferior then how this rule doesn't apply to sons?

If men are superior then why did the Prophet (pbuh) have one son who died at an early age and all the rest of his children where daughters? In a day and age when daughters were looked down upon it Muhammad (pbuh) who bought into the light the beauty of having a daughter and abolished live burials of daughters because people favoured sons.

[xTUSHx]

Also just to enhance what Islam thinks of women:

Only by having three daughters and raising them correctly can a man be guaranteed heaven. If women are inferior then how this rule doesn't apply to sons?

If men are superior then why did the Prophet (pbuh) have one son who died at an early age and all the rest of his children where daughters? In a day and age when daughters were looked down upon it Muhammad (pbuh) who bought into the light the beauty of having a daughter and abolished live burials of daughters because people favoured sons.

actually i've heard of this too. I think Muhammad really tried to raise the status of women in society, back then.

and.. it was back in the day. if people thought that women were somehow unequal to men hundreds of years ago, this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone, even if some of those people were prophets of religions (i'm not saying this is what Muhammad thought). But it was back in the day, hell we had segregation still going on damn near 50 years ago, and obviously it's not right. Shit changes.

[nex_man]

Let's check womens' rights in Islaam :)Good websites:
http://www.beconvinced.com (http://www.beconvinced.com/)
http://www.path-to-peace.com (http://www.path-to-peace.com/)
http://www.load-islam.com (http://www.load-islam.com/)
http://www.islamtoday.com (http://www.islamtoday.com/)
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
http://muhammad.islamonline.net/English/index.shtml
http://www.voiceforislam.com (http://www.voiceforislam.com/)
http://www.islamicboard.com (http://www.islamicboard.com/)

And see here for a list of books:
http://www.islamicboard.com/educatio...resources.html (http://www.islamicboard.com/education-issues/13373-studying-islam-list-resources.html)

Coming to your question, let me first remind you of the lofty status Islam has granted women.

The Qur'an clarifies that piety alone, not gender or ethnicity, determines one's status with God:

Qur'an 49:13. O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most noble among you in the sight of Allah is the most pious. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.

And the Qur'an further says about the rewards for men and women:
Qur'an 3:195 I shall not lose sight of the labor of any of you who labors in My way, be it man or woman; each of you is equal to the other

Qur'an 4:124 If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.

Qur'an 16:97 Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has Faith, verily, to him will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions.

Qur'an 40:40 "He that works evil will not be requited but by the like thereof: and he that works a righteous deed - whether man or woman - and is a Believer- such will enter the Garden (of Bliss): Therein will they have abundance without measure.

33:35 For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and the greatest reward.


Islam raises the status of the parents and places specific emphasis on one's mother:

Qur'an 31:14 And [God says:] ‘We have enjoined upon man goodness towards his parents: his mother bore him by bearing strain upon strain, and his utter dependence on her lasted two years: [hence, O man,] be grateful towards Me and towards thy parents, [and remember that] with Me is all journeys’ end.”

A man came to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) asking “ O Messenger of God, who among the people is the most worthy of my good company?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) said “Your mother”. The man said “then who else?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) said “Your mother”. The man asked, “then who else?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied “Your mother” When the man asked for the fourth time, only then did the Prophet (peace be upon him) say, “Your father” ( Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

Shaykh Muhammad Ali Hashimi comments:“This hadith confirms that the Prophet (peace be upon him) gave precedence to kind treatment of one’s mother over one’s father and the companions of the Prophet used to remind the Muslims of this after the death of the Prophet (peace be upon him)”The famous companion of the Prophet, Abdullah ibn Abbas said, I know of no other deed that brings people closer to Allah more than kind treatment and respect towards ones mother.

Read the following incident from another famous companion, Abdullah Ibn Umar.
Abdullah Ibn Umar saw a Yemeni man performing pilgrimage carrying his mother on his back then the man said to Ibn Umar “ I am like a tame camel for her, I have carried her more than she has carried me! Do you think I have paid her back Ibn Umar?”
Ibn Umar said, “No, not even one contraction!” (Bukhari, Book of Manners)

And we all know the hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) “Paradise lies at the feet of your mother” (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan An-Nasaa’i, Sunan Ibn Majah)

Islam has also elevated the status of daughters. The following hadith establishes the unsurpassable reward for kind treatment of one's daugters.

Aisha, wife of the Prophet (peace be upon him), said: “A poor woman came to me carrying her two daughters. I gave her three dates to eat. She gave each child a date, and raised the third to her own mouth to eat it. Her daughters asked her to give it to them, so she split the date that she had wanted to eat between them. I was impressed by what she had done, and told the Messenger of Allah P about it. He said, “Allah has decreed Paradise for her because of it”. (Sahih Muslim)

And the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “Anyone who cares for three daughters, gives them a good upbringing, marries them to good husbands and treats them with compassion, he/she will enter paradise.” A man asked, “What if one only has two, O’ Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Even if one only has two.” Another man asked, “What if one only has one, O’ Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Even if one only has one”. (Sunan Abi Dawud, Musnad Ahmad, Mustadarak Al-Haakim)

And the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, “Whoever has a daughter born to him, and he did not prefer his son over him, Allah will admit him to Paradise because of her” (Mustadarak Al-Haakim)

And he also specified sisters:
“There is no one who has three daughters, or three sisters, and he treats them well, but Allah will admit him/her to Paradise.” (Bukhari, Book of Manners)

And further:
“There is no one among my ummah who has three daughters, or three sisters, and he supports them until they are grown up, but he will be with me in Paradise like this” – and he held up his index and middle fingers together. (Tabaraani)

As for marriage, the Qur'an clarifies that is is a bond of love:
Qur'an 30:21 And among His signs is that He created mates from among yourselves that you may live in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts

Read what the Prophet (peace be upon him) has said in this matter:

“The best of you is the one who is best to his wife” (Sahih Ibn Hibban)

“None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully” (Sunan At-Tirmidhi)

“I command you to be kind to women” (Sahih Bukhari)

The renowned scholar of hadith, Imam Ad-Dhahabi (d. 1358CE) writes:Lest one should suppose that all the responsibilities are on the wife and all the rights belong to the husband, we mention that the husband is obliged to be gentle, kind, and loving to his wife. He must show forbearance and patience toward her in case she is occasionally abusive or ill-tempered. It is his duty to feed and clothe her and to provide for her needs well, within his means, according to the command of Allah Most High: Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity (4:19) and the advice of the Prophet: Consult with women. Indeed, you have some rights over your women and they have some rights over you. It is their right on you that you provide for their food and clothing generously, and your right on them is that they do not let anyone whom you dislike in the house, walking upon your floor. (Related by Ibn Majah and Tirmidhi who declared it Hasan Saheeh)

He said: "The best among you is the one who is best to his wife" (Related by Ibn Hibban) in another version it is the one who is most kind to his wife. The Prophet himself was very gentle and kind in dealing with women.

The Prophet saws also said: "If any man shows patience with his wife's bad temper, Allah will give him a reward similar to the reward of Ayyub (Job) for his patience, and if any woman shows patience with her husband's bad temper, Allah will give her a reward similar to the reward of Asiyah daughter of Muzahim, the wife of Pharoah (Cf. Qur'an 66:11)."

It is reported that a man came to 'Umar ibn Al-Khattab raa to complain about his wife's ill-temper. While he was waiting for 'Umar to come out of his house, he heard 'Umar's wife scolding him and 'Umar quietly listening to her, and not answering her back. The man turned around and started walking away, muttering to himself: "If that is the case with 'Umar, the leader of the believers, who is famous for his uprighteness and toughness, then what about poor me?!" At that moment, 'Umar came out of his house and saw the man walking away. He called him and said, "What is it you want of me, O man?" The man replied: "O leader of the believers, I came to complain to you about my wife's bad-temper and how she nags me. Then I heard your wife doing the same to you, so I turned around, muttering to myself, 'If that is the situation of the leader of the believers, then what about me?'" 'Umar replied, "O my brother, I bear with her because of her rights over me. She cooks my food, bakes my bread, washes my clothes, breast-feeds my child...and yet none of these are her duty;* and then she is a comfort to my heart and keeps me away from forbidden deeds. Consequently, I bear with her." The man said, "It is the same with me, O leader of the believers." 'Umar said: "Then, O my brother, be patient with her, indeed this life is short. (Adh-Dhahabi, Al-Kabâ'ir 194)The last hadith about 'Umar is a beautiful example of the lofty status that Islam has given women. The Khalifa himself used to listen patiently while his wife scolded him and he instructed his followers to likewise be patient and grateful for all the favours their wives gave them. Dr. M. Moinuddin Siddiqui, who has translated Al-Kabâ'ir into english, includes the following footnote in the place I have marked above with an asterisk :According to the Shari'ah, a Muslim wife has no obligation to do all this; rather, it is the husband's obligation to take care of it [either himself or] by hiring a servant (or even, in the case of breast-feeding, a wet-nurse). Therefore, if a woman does this, it is out of good-will and compliance on her part, not because it is obligatory on her, and consequently it is a cause for appreciation and helpfulness on the part of her husband. (Translator)I could continue to quote more evidences and information, but instead I'll just refer you to some links for more info:
http://magic-city-news.com/article_2694.shtml
http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_se...&main_cat_id=2 (http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=846&main_cat_id=2)
http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Th...omen_in_Islam/ (http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/The_Status_of_Women_in_Islam/)
http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Li...through_Islam/ (http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Liberation_through_Islam/)
http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Ve...Not_Oppresive/ (http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Veil_Is_Not_Oppresive/)
http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Ar..._Men_In_Islam/ (http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Are_Women_Inferior_To_Men_In_Islam/)
http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Rights_In_Islam/
http://www.load-islam.com/C/Women/Islam_Degrades_Women/

[cerberus]

thanks for carifying. but even the swatting with a twig thing seems wrong to me. i think if you're up to the point where you're about to hit your spouse, you might as well separate. at least for a while.


I agree with you about the swatting with a twig bu also the Prophet (pbuh) never even did this. Also remember this physical act brings no pain at all and even areas are forbidden to be touched in this manner despite how little it is.

But you know think about if this was never mentioned? Then men would maybe hit their wives and not even think twice cos the Qu'ran never even mentions what the limits are.

Also lets loo at it from the other view. If it said a man cannot touch his wife it this way (and i cant use the word aggression because you aren't allowed to be aggressive with it) then even if a husband was to nudge his wife and somethign happened and she became vindictive then she could actually sue the guy and get divorced or whateva her plan was, just because a husband nudged his wife. I mean it sounds stupid but just look at the world. When two people hav arguements they will do ANYTHING to get back at the other person.

All in all i think this makes sense that even that small act is allowed so a barrirer is drawn once and for all.

[cerberus]

actually i've heard of this too. I think Muhammad really tried to raise the status of women in society, back then.

and.. it was back in the day. if people thought that women were somehow unequal to men hundreds of years ago, this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone, even if some of those people were prophets of religions (i'm not saying this is what Muhammad thought). But it was back in the day, hell we had segregation still going on damn near 50 years ago, and obviously it's not right. Shit changes.


You have no idea how much the women were part of the society in those days. After the Prophet (pbuh) came the women rose up like anything and they were not equal just different in the roles they played in society, just like the men werent equal to women just different as well.

It was the same for slaves and other people who were oppressed. The religion liberated all kinds of people. Even the Jews who we helped to avoid complete extinction at the hands of the crusaders.

[xTUSHx]

I agree with you about the swatting with a twig bu also the Prophet (pbuh) never even did this. Also remember this physical act brings no pain at all and even areas are forbidden to be touched in this manner despite how little it is.

But you know think about if this was never mentioned? Then men would maybe hit their wives and not even think twice cos the Qu'ran never even mentions what the limits are.

Also lets loo at it from the other view. If it said a man cannot touch his wife it this way (and i cant use the word aggression because you aren't allowed to be aggressive with it) then even if a husband was to nudge his wife and somethign happened and she became vindictive then she could actually sue the guy and get divorced or whateva her plan was, just because a husband nudged his wife. I mean it sounds stupid but just look at the world. When two people hav arguements they will do ANYTHING to get back at the other person.

All in all i think this makes sense that even that small act is allowed so a barrirer is drawn once and for all.

this is my honest opinion: islam, along with tons of other religions, doesn't actually encourage violence agasint anybody, beatings of any kind, blah blah. people twist words around to suit their needs, and since men usually end up being in charge socially, they're the ones twisting words and thus making the out-group, in this case women, seem inferior.

the whole twig causing no pain .. yeah, i can see how it can be misinterpreted that if u nudge or whatever, it can be grounds for a courtcase. my issue is that if a man can do it to his wife, she ought to be able to do it back. and that's pretty much my only issue.

also just because something doesnt cause phsyical pain doesn't mean it can't hurt the person. emotional abuse, etc. just a thought.

[xTUSHx]

You have no idea how much the women were part of the society in those days. After the Prophet (pbuh) came the women rose up like anything and they were not equal just different in the roles they played in society, just like the men werent equal to women just different as well.

It was the same for slaves and other people who were oppressed. The religion liberated all kinds of people. Even the Jews who we helped to avoid complete extinction at the hands of the crusaders.

yeah.. from what i know, Muhammad ended up uniting the tribes of Arabia, right? I thought he wanted unity amongst people.

[cerberus]

Oh and I would just like to say thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu so much zzahmad786 for making this thread.

I think some people were able to clear things up in their minds about how muslims treat women and others were able to see Islam's treatment of women in a different light.


You're a real star mate. Thanks.

Group Hug? :grouphug:

loloolololool

[xTUSHx]

Oh and I would just like to say thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu so much zzahmad786 for making this thread.

I think some people were able to clear things up in their minds about how muslims treat women and others were able to see Islam's treatment of women in a different light.


You're a real star mate. Thanks.

Group Hug? :grouphug:

loloolololool

hahaha :D
i personally think he's disappointed by the direction this took.

[nex_man]

this is my honest opinion: islam, along with tons of other religions, doesn't actually encourage violence agasint anybody, beatings of any kind, blah blah. people twist words around to suit their needs, and since men usually end up being in charge socially, they're the ones twisting words and thus making the out-group, in this case women, seem inferior.

the whole twig causing no pain .. yeah, i can see how it can be misinterpreted that if u nudge or whatever, it can be grounds for a courtcase. my issue is that if a man can do it to his wife, she ought to be able to do it back. and that's pretty much my only issue.

also just because something doesnt cause phsyical pain doesn't mean it can't hurt the person. emotional abuse, etc. just a thought.

The thing is, if you see the context - it's because the womans done something proper indecent, maybe she allowed some stranger into the house who the husband never allowed? You get me? something which made the husband feel that she was going past the limits. And he had to show her that i really can't take that, and that tap is more pyschological than a physical hurt - to make the woman think twice before doing that again.


The reason why the woman shouldn't really hit back is because the husband can actually become angry and harm her proper bad. And if he does harm her past the limit - she can take him to the Islamic courts to get her rights.


If someone uses the argument that he might be so mad that he might go krazy, then we know that the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:


*The Prophet said: 'If one of you happens to be standing when he becomes angry, then he should take a seat. If this helps his anger to subside, then good and well. Otherwise, he should go and lie down.' (Sunan Abi Dawud)

The Prophet said: 'The strong man is not the one who knocks others down, but the one who controls himself when angry.' (Sahih Bukhari)
The Prophet said: 'Teach the people and give them glad tidings. Do not make things difficult. And if you get angry, remain silent.' (Musnad Ahmad)

The Prophet said: 'The most perfect of the believers in faith are the best of them in moral excellence, and the best of you are the kindest to their wives. (Sunan At-Tirmidhi)
The Prophet said: 'None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully' (Sunan At-Tirmidhi)
The Prophet said: 'I command you to be kind to women.' (Sahih Bukhari)

[xTUSHx]

The thing is, if you see the context - it's because the womans done something proper indecent, maybe she allowed some stranger into the house who the husband never allowed? You get me? something which made the husband feel that she was going past the limits. And he had to show her that i really can't take that, and that tap is more pyschological than a physical hurt - to make the woman think twice before doing that again.


The reason why the woman shouldn't really hit back is because the husband can actually become angry and harm her proper bad. And if he does harm her past the limit - she can take him to the Islamic courts to get her rights.


If someone uses the argument that he might be so mad that he might go krazy, then we know that the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:


*The Prophet said: 'If one of you happens to be standing when he becomes angry, then he should take a seat. If this helps his anger to subside, then good and well. Otherwise, he should go and lie down.' (Sunan Abi Dawud)

The Prophet said: 'The strong man is not the one who knocks others down, but the one who controls himself when angry.' (Sahih Bukhari)
The Prophet said: 'Teach the people and give them glad tidings. Do not make things difficult. And if you get angry, remain silent.' (Musnad Ahmad)

The Prophet said: 'The most perfect of the believers in faith are the best of them in moral excellence, and the best of you are the kindest to their wives. (Sunan At-Tirmidhi)
The Prophet said: 'None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully' (Sunan At-Tirmidhi)
The Prophet said: 'I command you to be kind to women.' (Sahih Bukhari)


again, what if the husband does something that irritates the wife? What if he lets someone in whom she wouldn't want in the house? Can she tap him then?
..And if no, because it would anger him, then what about when he taps her? What if that pisses her off?

I understand the point and all, but do you see what I'm saying? It's really tough to draw lines when it comes to phsycial interactions that are instigated by irritation/anger.

[cerberus]

hahaha :D
i personally think he's disappointed by the direction this took.


yeha i'm sure he is.

You know as muslims we are meant to question everything about our religion. I have no problems with people asking questions, indepth and critizing even, but as long as they do it with respect.

Unfortunately the same brainwashing these people claim muslims are doing to Sikh girls and others on Earth so they convert to a "violent and barbaric religion" are the same people who will never let muslims live in peace even if all comes to light and its proven without a doubt that all these stereotypes are false.


Who are the ones who are brainwashed?

[vishaalsood]

who cares about honour killing just now, you have to sort out the root problem. The koran allows beating of wives, with some rules attached. Its ridiculous

[xTUSHx]

who cares about honour killing just now, you have to sort out the root problem. The koran allows beating of wives, with some rules attached. Its ridiculous

apparently its not beatings that are allowed.. just some form of altercation so long as nobody gets hurt. and my question was still unanswered. what if it goes the other way and the wife gets pissed at the husband for something?

[cerberus]

who cares about honour killing just now, you have to sort out the root problem. The koran allows beating of wives, with some rules attached. Its ridiculous


?????

You'v obviously not been reading the posts or the links in this thread.

We've established that its not allowed, unless you consider a push (which is far beyond what is allowed in Islam) a "beating".

[nex_man]

again, what if the husband does something that irritates the wife? What if he lets someone in whom she wouldn't want in the house? Can she tap him then?
..And if no, because it would anger him, then what about when he taps her? What if that pisses her off?

I understand the point and all, but do you see what I'm saying? It's really tough to draw lines when it comes to phsycial interactions that are instigated by irritation/anger.
Remember you said in an earlier post that they should separate first?


In the verse it states:

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

[Qur'an 4:34 Yusuf Ali Translation]


So refusing to share the bed may be that separating which you were referring to, however if the man thinks that showing his disapproval by tapping her won't do any good - then he should go to the divorce straightaway anyway.

Get what i'm saying?



It's also ironic how all the other religions attack Islaam, yet none of their religious texts forbid wife beating at all.

[xTUSHx]

yeha i'm sure he is.

You know as muslims we are meant to question everything about our religion. I have no problems with people asking questions, indepth and critizing even, but as long as they do it with respect.

Unfortunately the same brainwashing these people claim muslims are doing to Sikh girls and others on Earth so they convert to a "violent and barbaric religion" are the same people who will never let muslims live in peace even if all comes to light and its proven without a doubt that all these stereotypes are false.


Who are the ones who are brainwashed?

there are morons everywhere who ruin good things for people. religion is sadly one of those things that can be ruined, and easily, by a jackass who tries hard enough.

[vishaalsood]

apparently its not beatings that are allowed.. just some form of altercation so long as nobody gets hurt. and my question was still unanswered. what if it goes the other way and the wife gets pissed at the husband for something?

girls are physically weaker than a man, the man should just hold her and wait till she calms down. I have seen afew asian muslims with black eyes and it is ridiculous. And i dont understand this "islam allows" crap, nothing like this should be allowed

[cerberus]

apparently its not beatings that are allowed.. just some form of altercation so long as nobody gets hurt. and my question was still unanswered. what if it goes the other way and the wife gets pissed at the husband for something?


She should tap him (like he is allowed to her) but this rule is in place for the protection of the woman. I mean imagine if u have a husband with a temper?

U do it and unfortunately as men are stronger things could end up badly.

Of course though if he goes beyond his allowed tap then the women has all kindas of rights. The guy would be screwed over roally in an Islamic court if he went beyond his tap.

[xTUSHx]

Remember you said in an earlier post that they should separate first?


In the verse it states:

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

[Qur'an 4:34 Yusuf Ali Translation]


So refusing to share the bed may be that separating which you were referring to, however if the man thinks that showing his disapproval by tapping her won't do any good - then he should go to the divorce straightaway anyway.

Get what i'm saying?



It's also ironic how all the other religions attack Islaam, yet none of their religious texts forbid wife beating at all.





I see.. but it still says light beating. I don't know.. if it were up to me, I'd say if you're still considering the beating or tap or whatnot, just stay separated. Then try to talk once you see each other again. And I completely get that the push/tap isn't meant to harm .. but it can really easily lead to it. And plus it seems like only the guy is allowed to do that.

[vishaalsood]

?????

You'v obviously not been reading the posts or the links in this thread.

We've established that its not allowed, unless you consider a push (which is far beyond what is allowed in Islam) a "beating".

what is allowed in islam?!! its a joke, nothing like this should be allowed

[nex_man]

what is allowed in islam?!! its a joke, nothing like this should be allowed

If some dude in the US tapped his wife with a pen, you think she could take him to the police for it?

[xTUSHx]

She should tap him (like he is allowed to her) but this rule is in place for the protection of the woman. I mean imagine if u have a husband with a temper?

U do it and unfortunately as men are stronger things could end up badly.

Of course though if he goes beyond his allowed tap then the women has all kindas of rights. The guy would be screwed over roally in an Islamic court if he went beyond his tap.

women shouldnt need to be protected because men happen to be stronger. that's my whole point. if you're on the verge of actually injuring your partner, you shouldn't be their partner anymore.

..this stuff is really complicated, i know a lot of situations could come up where it all works out but.. i dont know. i'm uneasy with rules like this.

besides it might not always work out in the man's favor. what if he had a wife with a huge temper and a quick fist? what if she knocked his teeth out? what about his protection? this type of stuff can lead to scenarios that would otherwise be avoided.

[cerberus]

girls are physically weaker than a man, the man should just hold her and wait till she calms down. I have seen afew asian muslims with black eyes and it is ridiculous. And i dont understand this "islam allows" crap, nothing like this should be allowed


I'm glad you said this, because that is FAR BEYOND what a muslim man is allowed to do. He's not even allowed to hold her forcefully. So going on what u just said, you'd do far worse than any practicing muslim to his wife.

Is this the time we start shouting wife beater to you? I mean of course u must be because we think differently to you and therefore we ARE right and YOU are wrong.

This is the kinda attitude muslims hae to put up with all the time.

[xTUSHx]

If some dude in the US tapped his wife with a pen, you think she could take him to the police for it?

..no. she COULD call the cops.. but nothing would happen.

[vishaalsood]

I'm glad you said this, because that is FAR BEYOND what a muslim man is allowed to do. He's not even allowed to hold her forcefully. So going on what u just said, you'd do far worse than any practicing muslim to his wife.

Is this the time we start shouting wife beater to you? I mean of course u must be because we think differently to you and therefore we ARE right and YOU are wrong.

This is the kinda attitude muslims hae to put up with all the time.

i never said grab her agressively, i mean hold her like a hug. It shows affection and lets her calm down

[nex_man]

..no. she COULD call the cops.. but nothing would happen.
Yeah, which means that the US government allows it right? They don't count it as no biggie, true?

[xTUSHx]

Yeah, which means that the US government allows it right? They don't count it as no biggie, true?

Right...

[cerberus]

women shouldnt need to be protected because men happen to be stronger. that's my whole point. if you're on the verge of actually injuring your partner, you shouldn't be their partner anymore.

..this stuff is really complicated, i know a lot of situations could come up where it all works out but.. i dont know. i'm uneasy with rules like this.

besides it might not always work out in the man's favor. what if he had a wife with a huge temper and a quick fist? what if she knocked his teeth out? what about his protection? this type of stuff can lead to scenarios that would otherwise be avoided.


lol, well its his fault to be honest. Remember that the prophet (pbuh) never ever did this. This act is an extreme act (even if it is a tap is it still considered extreme because that is the boundary of ur limits).

I mean its not complicated at all. Let me put it this way.

A muslim man shouldn't put his hands on his wife in a wrong way. Thats it. End of story. We should follow the Prophets (pbuhs) example on that. Now if you get aggresive men then Islam has drawn a boundary for them and its like a warning. "you go beyond this act and you're in trouble. BIG trouble."

Thats basically how the rule is applied to daily life of a practicing muslim.

[xTUSHx]

i never said grab her agressively, i mean hold her like a hug. It shows affection and lets her calm down

I know what you mean. It's been done to me before. I wasn't hurt or offended.. I think a shove would've lead to my fists flying though.
hmm.. I kinda like the hug idea. Or maybe leaving the room. Not everything works well on everyone, ya kno?

[cerberus]

i never said grab her agressively, i mean hold her like a hug. It shows affection and lets her calm down


??????

number one you name any woman who's in a rage and you can just hug happily without force and she'll calm down (by the way you are the source of her aggression). lol.

Be practical. It makes no sense, it wouldnt work. as for the tap, hella why would that work? I mean serious, when we say tap we mean tap and a non aggressive one at that. If you think this is outrageous as an action, then to be honest you havent got a logical mind. People do worse on a daily basis by just bumping into things. Bumping into thigns actually hurts. This tap (as specified) can't hurt your partner.

[xTUSHx]

lol, well its his fault to be honest. Remember that the prophet (pbuh) never ever did this. This act is an extreme act (even if it is a tap is it still considered extreme because that is the boundary of ur limits).

I mean its not complicated at all. Let me put it this way.

A muslim man shouldn't put his hands on his wife in a wrong way. Thats it. End of story. We should follow the Prophets (pbuhs) example on that. Now if you get aggresive men then Islam has drawn a boundary for them and its like a warning. "you go beyond this act and you're in trouble. BIG trouble."

Thats basically how the rule is applied to daily life of a practicing muslim.

All right, lets just get to the bottom of this without nitpicking..l

I think your point is this: Islam doesn't allow beatings. And the reason people say it does is because some text was misinterpreted. The text in question pretty much trieds to draw a line between a normal interaction, like a nudge or tap, and going overboard with shoving or slapping or beating. I think thats pretty much the point.

BUT.. I don't think everyone is convinced that Islam doesn't allow beatings. Thats the issue. It's because idiots out there try to justify their actions by saying their faith allows it, and its bullshit.

[WildWolfdog]

Oh no, I wonder if the thread-maker has an agenda and is pretending to be a muslim and is really not but is trying to get some sort of message across by trying to look like a pious muslim just following the rules of Islam - nah, I'm just delirious, I'm sure, because something like that has never happened before in the history of rd. :neutral:

[nex_man]

Right... Yup, so we can't really say that it's only Islaam which has them standards. Infact, think about it - 1400years back, even today - men did krazy things. Yet a tap is counted as something so major?


I know you might say - what if he goes past the barrier? Then the simple answer is, don't even do it since the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) never did it. It's only an exception in certain circumstances to show ones disapproval, if it was for revenge or physical purposes, then wouldn't the verse be saying beat them like krazy?


Aaishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: "Allaah's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) never hit anything with his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman." [Recorded by Ibn Maajah. Al-Albaanee graded it Saheeh/Authentic.]

[xTUSHx]

??????

number one you name any woman who's in a rage and you can just hug happily without force and she'll calm down (by the way you are the source of her aggression). lol.

Be practical. It makes no sense, it wouldnt work. as for the tap, hella why would that work? I mean serious, when we say tap we mean tap and a non aggressive one at that. If you think this is outrageous as an action, then to be honest you havent got a logical mind. People do worse on a daily basis by just bumping into things. Bumping into thigns actually hurts. This tap (as specified) can't hurt your partner.

if someone's that upset, a tap might make her feel disrespected though. What kind of tap are we talkin anyway? Just a touch on the arm? A tap like if you're tapping someone to ask to borrow a pencil? Like I said, its tough to draw a line here.

[vishaalsood]

I know what you mean. It's been done to me before. I wasn't hurt or offended.. I think a shove would've lead to my fists flying though.
hmm.. I kinda like the hug idea. Or maybe leaving the room. Not everything works well on everyone, ya kno?

yes not everything works, i agree with you tere

The message is that a man should never hit a woman, its a cowardly thing to do, no matter what race or religion you belong to

[xTUSHx]

yes not everything works, i agree with you tere

The message is that a man should never hit a woman, its a cowardly thing to do, no matter what race or religion you belong to

I'm with you on that one. No hitting.

[nex_man]

yes not everything works, i agree with you tere

The message is that a man should never hit a woman, its a cowardly thing to do, no matter what race or religion you belong to
Then how come the US (which is supposedly the highest in its morals) allows a guy to tap his wife with a pen? Since you guys consider that wife beating right?

[vishaalsood]

Then how come the US (which is supposedly the highest in its morals) allows a guy to tap his wife with a pen? Since you guys consider that wife beating right?

i dont, i am from glasgow in scotland, i personally hate americans. Arrogant hill billy racists who run around in white sheets.

[nex_man]

i dont, i am from glasgow in scotland, i personally hate americans. Arrogant hill billy racists who run around in white sheets.
Ayt man, same with the UK init. A guy can do that without the fedz bein on his case. It's amazin man, the tap is only required to show the wife his disapproval, if he thinks it will make her realise that he isn't pleased with what's goin on in the household.

If he feels it won't make a difference, then he can divorce her anyway.

[cerberus]

I'm with you on that one. No hitting.


Thats what Islam says. A tap of disapproval is basically changed into a beating because people generally believe what they want to. They don't believe what they are supposed to.

I mean i've known muslims who drink and then says its ok in Islam because..............

??????????? I was like does everything have to be altered so people can do what they want? The answer is yes. Some people wanna hit their wives. Some wanna feel superior to their wives. Its all an excuse to say I have to do it because my religion tells me, lol.

What next is gonna be justified? sex before you get married? Marriage for one day just for sex and then divorce? anal sex so u remain a virgin? wearing Hijab or having a beard because then if people see me and think i'm a good muslim, i must be a good muslim............














................oh wait. All thats already happened :no:

[Afg_Gurl]

WTF! u guys r insane! fuk tht

[insomniac987]

thats terribly disgusting :no:

[BoO bOo]

this is pure ridiculous. How can a religion allow men to beat women? How is this fair to humanity? Bullshit.

[umario]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6722699.stm

But Islam allows us to beat our women so was this actually ok? But just a bit to far? Should she have just been beaten? See below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk&mode=related&search=
you're a idiot.
who the hell told you islam allows us to beat the women..
culture vs religion
go read the quran
“Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers” (Women in Islam). –Prophet Muhammad

[HeAvYmAcHiNeGuN]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6722699.stm

But Islam allows us to beat our women so was this actually ok? But just a bit to far? Should she have just been beaten? See below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk&mode=related&search=

STUPID this has nuffin to do with ISLAM

[cerberus]

WTF! u guys r insane! fuk tht


Your an idiot for not readig the whole post and realising we aren't supporting it but making other people realise that we can't beat women in Islam.

In fact some of the alternatives that non-muslims were coming up with were well beyond what Islam allows, just to show that not only do they not understand that laws of Islam but they are far worse when it comes to physical abuse of women.

(and yes physical abuse is forcing to hug a girl against her will. Well it must be if the non-aggressive, non-hurting tap which can't leave a mark, which is the extreme of a muslim mans act, is considered "physical abuse")

[cerberus]

this is pure ridiculous. How can a religion allow men to beat women? How is this fair to humanity? Bullshit.


You should read the posts. I don't see why you are commenting f you aren't willing to read the other posts and educate yourself.

You're happy to comment on Islam and its rules but then you aren't willing to find out what muslims who understand their religion are saying about this.

Just for the record no we can't hit our wives. You can go around, through, twist and turn definitions, but if you are using the western definitions then no, you cant do anything which hurts, leaves a mark, is an act of aggression and eve then whatever that leaves you with as an action, it can't be repeated over and over again.

[BoO bOo]

You should read the posts. I don't see why you are commenting f you aren't willing to read the other posts and educate yourself.

You're happy to comment on Islam and its rules but then you aren't willing to find out what muslims who understand their religion are saying about this.

Just for the record no we can't hit our wives. You can go around, through, twist and turn definitions, but if you are using the western definitions then no, you cant do anything which hurts, leaves a mark, is an act of aggression and eve then whatever that leaves you with as an action, it can't be repeated over and over again.
i was not commenting on islam. i read couple posts. Maybe i misread what the thread maker said on islam allows men to beat up women because i never heard about men beating up women in any religion/culture.

[cerberus]

i was not commenting on islam. i read couple posts. Maybe i misread what the thread maker said on islam allows men to beat up women because i never heard about men beating up women in any religion/culture.


It's ok you could be saying it about Islam. I don't care about that. As i posted earlier in the thread, its not the questions about Islam that annoy me or the critissism its the critisizer not looking to learn, just go against Islam with no real point of view, disrespect that gets shown and arguing points which make no sense what so ever.

But i still go on the fact that people should read the whole thread and then make a comment.


(also we established that the thread maker isn't muslim. Just another non-muslim trying to aggravate muslims on RD and turn people away from Islam because he's obviously insecure about what Islam has to offer)

[BoO bOo]

It's ok you could be saying it about Islam. I don't care about that. As i posted earlier in the thread, its not the questions about Islam that annoy me or the critissism its the critisizer not looking to learn, just go against Islam with no real point of view, disrespect that gets shown and arguing points which make no sense what so ever.

But i still go on the fact that people should read the whole thread and then make a comment.
Well i get your point and I was not giving my point on Islam because i dont know anything about it. I was just reacting to what the thread maker said..because he said "But Islam allows us to beat our women so was this actually ok? But just a bit to far??"

i couldnt make much sense out of this.

[cerberus]

Well i get your point and I was not giving my point on Islam because i dont know anything about it. I was just reacting to what the thread maker said..because he said "But Islam allows us to beat our women so was this actually ok? But just a bit to far??"

i couldnt make much sense out of this.


I think the word Americans use for someone like him is a "troll". lol, I read that on another forum somewhere. Basically lying about wh they are and tryng to stir up conflicts but giving people the wrong ideas.

Its nothing new, the Zionists in Israeli have been doing it for for almost 100 years now.

[amir_q]

But wasnt the gal and here family kurdish???? :sarb:
which kind of islam do they follow???

ps... feels real sorry for tha gal, they shouldnt of killed her,
What i would of done is.... pull out here front 2 teeth, shave here eybrows and hair off, and put a massive beuty spot on here face with a permanant marker, dont think the guy would of stuck around if he saw her lyke that.... :evil_lau:

[cerberus]

But wasnt the gal and here family kurdish???? :sarb:
which kind of islam do they follow???

ps... feels real sorry for tha gal, they shouldnt of killed her,
What i would of done is.... pull out here front 2 teeth, shave here eybrows and hair off, and put a massive beuty spot on here face with a permanant marker, dont think the guy would of stuck around if he saw her lyke that.... :evil_lau:


Unfortunately if i was to state the Islam they practice it would get blown into a full arguement. Either way, they claim to practice Islam and thats all we can say. They claim to but this act that they did or even the act u say are completely unislamic.

I mean in Islam you can't kill women and children at a time of war so why would u be able to kill your own daughter or wife as part of your honour?

[amir_q]

Unfortunately if i was to state the Islam they practice it would get blown into a full arguement. Either way, they claim to practice Islam and thats all we can say. They claim to but this act that they did or even the act u say are completely unislamic.

I mean in Islam you can't kill women and children at a time of war so why would u be able to kill your own daughter or wife as part of your honour?


i was only jokin about doing all that... :smile:
But ..... Isnt letting them have boyfriends and marrying non muslims also unislamic??? so what can you do to stop them??

[nex_man]

salaam [peace]


u gota give em the ryt upbringing init? so they love for the sake of Allaah, and turn away from wats bad n dat.. :)



peace

[cerberus]

i was only jokin about doing all that... :smile:
But ..... Isnt letting them have boyfriends and marrying non muslims also unislamic??? so what can you do to stop them??


truth be told why should they marry a muslim if thez aren't a muslim themselves? If they sleep around and drink etc etc, then they should marry a guy who does that as well unless they wish to change their ways.

As a parent if my child wanted to do what i jsut said I'd be really upeset but at the end of the day the problems have occured because I didnt do my job.

What gets to me is parents out there who havent done anything positive to promote Islam to their children, backbite, only don't do non-muslim things because it'd be seen as bad in the community and stuff and then they'd kill their children if they didnt marry a muslim.


(PS the state of Muslims now-a-days i know people out there who'd be better off marrying no-muslims. I used to council people and enough muslim women have come to me telling me about physical abuse and worse. Believe me its messed up that these people even call themselves muslims)

[BoO bOo]

But wasnt the gal and here family kurdish???? :sarb:
which kind of islam do they follow???

ps... feels real sorry for tha gal, they shouldnt of killed her,
What i would of done is.... pull out here front 2 teeth, shave here eybrows and hair off, and put a massive beuty spot on here face with a permanant marker, dont think the guy would of stuck around if he saw her lyke that.... :evil_lau:
wow, you got some evil ideas in ur brain.

[sWeEtnDsOuR]

islam has alot of issues to sort out. I have muslim friends so i am not narrow minded, but this sort of chat is unaccepable. Men, women, we are all humans, no1 is ranked above anyone. it is not right


exactly...and anyone who thinks other wise...i have n words 4 u...:no: