Any kashur(kashmiri) people here?

[Abdel]

Just wondering if there are any kashur people here? I'm sure there must be some around!

kyaa chuu karaan? kaati chiv rozaan? :wavey:

Just for clarification, I'm only refering to ethnic kashmiris :) , not dogras/paharis/mirpuris/sudhans/gujjars. :rolleyes:

[di vinci]

Just wondering if there are any kashur people here? I'm sure there must be some around!

kyaa chuu karaan? kaati chiv rozaan? :wavey:

Just for clarification, I'm only refering to ethnic kashmiris :) , not dogras/paharis/mirpuris/sudhans/gujjars. :rolleyes:



wat exactly are ethnic kashmiri??? mochi's :p :p :p
:nuts:

[Abdel]

wat exactly are ethnic kashmiri??? mochi's :p :p :p
:nuts:

Ethnic kashmiris are dardic people, who speak koshur(kashmiri). They are not punjabis like mirpuris/azad kashmiris. They are a different ethnicity, have a different culture and language. Atleast know your facts before using the ':nuts:' icon.

You're probably a mirpuri posing as a kashmiri I'm guessing? :rolleyes: Well atleast from your pic you dont look kashmiri at all so I'm probably right. Anyway Mirpuris are Punjabi Jats. The rest of Azad Kashmir is composed of Gujjars/Sudhans/Rajputs. Not ethnic kashmiris.

Read the following :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmiri_people
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/pakistan0906/3.htm

[di vinci]

Ethnic kashmiris are dardic people, who speak koshur(kashmiri). They are not punjabis like mirpuris/azad kashmiris. They are a different ethnicity, have a different culture and language. Atleast know your facts before using the ':nuts:' icon.

You're probably a mirpuri posing as a kashmiri I'm guessing? :rolleyes: Well atleast from your pic you dont look kashmiri at all so I'm probably right. Anyway Mirpuris are Punjabi Jats. The rest of Azad Kashmir is composed of Gujjars/Sudhans/Rajputs. Not ethnic kashmiris.

Read the following :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmiri_people
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/pakistan0906/3.htm


your still :nuts: no one really gives a fuk if ur ethnically kashmiri or not. most of these so call mirpuri families have been in that region for a bloody long time. last time i checked we had a family graveyard over 400 years old. :neutral: that the graves that actually got tombstone. weirdo
:nuts:

yes u r :nuts:

wannabe :gay:

[di vinci]

[edit] The Lost Tribes of Israel
Some consider the Kashmiri people descendants of one of the Lost Tribes of Israel. According to Rabbi Marvin Tokayer, the Kashmiri people have many Jewish cultural traits, including feasts, appearance, business practices, and other customs. He also asserts that a significant number of Kashmiri names and words derive from Hebrew[6]. Furthermore, sidelocks, although never worn by Muslims, are very commonly worn by the Kashmiris.

The Ahmadiyya movements also support an Israelite origin for Kashmiri people[7].


do i have to say anything more

u r :nuts:

lost tribe of isreal :nuts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmiri_people

[FatGeezer]

Just wondering if there are any kashur people here? I'm sure there must be some around!

kyaa chuu karaan? kaati chiv rozaan? :wavey:

Just for clarification, I'm only refering to ethnic kashmiris :) , not dogras/paharis/mirpuris/sudhans/gujjars. :rolleyes:
u mean mirpuris?

[hurryputher]

Let's bow down to this superior ethnic Kashmir

Dickhead

How the hell are Mirpuri's Punjabis anyway? Fucking hell, we may not be ethnic valley Kashmiris, who are mostly twats to be fair, but we're definitely not Punjabis. Firstly, I've got a family tree that we've traced back to the 17th Century and we've been living in the same valley about 2 hours drive from Mirpur sicne then. Definitely been there for longer, but we couldn't go back any further. Secondly, I can't understand a word of any form of Punjabi.

Just call us Jammu-ites for all we care, but Kashmir is home to quite a few different peoples, and languages so yeah we'll call ourselves Kashmiri. We do more for Kashmir than any of you idiots anyway, the economy of Azad Kashmir is booming because of british investment from Mirpuris/paharis. Have you been to Mirpur recently, it's growing at an unprecedented rate. Stop being so fucking ignorant. It's like saying the only real Indians are the Rajputs.

[di vinci]

Let's bow down to this superior ethnic Kashmir

Dickhead

How the hell are Mirpuri's Punjabis anyway? Fucking hell, we may not be ethnic valley Kashmiris, who are mostly twats to be fair, but we're definitely not Punjabis. Firstly, I've got a family tree that we've traced back to the 17th Century and we've been living in the same valley about 2 hours drive from Mirpur sicne then. Definitely been there for longer, but we couldn't go back any further. Secondly, I can't understand a word of any form of Punjabi.

Just call us Jammu-ites for all we care, but Kashmir is home to quite a few different peoples, and languages so yeah we'll call ourselves Kashmiri. We do more for Kashmir than any of you idiots anyway, the economy of Azad Kashmir is booming because of british investment from Mirpuris/paharis. Have you been to Mirpur recently, it's growing at an unprecedented rate. Stop being so fucking ignorant. It's like saying the only real Indians are the Rajputs.


u heard of a place call dadyal im from near there. ur right that dude on top is :nuts:

[comunistdaght3r]

my mom's kashmiri, so i gues im half

[Abdel]

Mirpuris are Jats, that is a punjabi caste you moron. Most of Azad Kashmir wasn't even in Kashmir until the British came, they used the river indus as a boundary, which put mirpur and surrounding areas of Punjab into Kashmir which is today caled Azad kashmir. Ever heard of the Treaty of Amritsar? you stupid fuck.

As for Azad kashmir economy, who gives a shit, its in Pakistan and it benefits Pakistan. Kashmir Valley is occupied by India, so it means shit to us.

Dumb fucks, stop pretendin to be who you're not. The fact that youve been there for 400years means more how youre not kashmiri, as that part was never in kashmir. Anyway I wasnt here to fight, you mirpuris are never going to be accepted as kashmiris anyway so wotever...keep making yourselves think it if it makes you feel better.

Di vinci, you're such a fool, out of both the links, you chose to read a little extract which is just an assumption, but you didnt mention anything about the humans right watch link, which clearly states that mirpuris are punjabis. I never claimed any jewish crap anyway, I know that kashmiris were hindu/bhuddists so im not the wanabe, thats you..you're a mirpuri stop being a kashmiri wanabe! haha

Inferiority complex shows on you people so much, I didn't act superior or anything, I didnt even have such a notion in mind. It shows within you.

[di vinci]

were going to erradicated your race :D

[hurryputher]

Mirpuris are Jats, that is a punjabi caste you moron. Most of Azad Kashmir wasn't even in Kashmir until the British came, they used the river indus as a boundary, which put mirpur and surrounding areas of Punjab into Kashmir which is today caled Azad kashmir. Ever heard of the Treaty of Amritsar? you stupid fuck.

As for Azad kashmir economy, who gives a shit, its in Pakistan and it benefits Pakistan. Kashmir Valley is occupied by India, so it means shit to us.

Dumb fucks, stop pretendin to be who you're not. The fact that youve been there for 400years means more how youre not kashmiri, as that part was never in kashmir. Anyway I wasnt here to fight, you mirpuris are never going to be accepted as kashmiris anyway so wotever...keep making yourselves think it if it makes you feel Di vinci, you're such a fool, out of both the links, you chose to read a little extract which is just an assumption, but you didnt mention anything about the humans right watch link, which clearly states that mirpuris are punjabis. I never claimed any jewish crap anyway, I know that kashmiris were hindu/bhuddists so im not the wanabe, thats you..you're a mirpuri stop being a kashmiri wanabe! haha

Inferiority complex shows on you people so much, I didn't act superior or anything, I didnt even have such a notion in mind. It shows within you.

Are you on your period, babez? Who are you trying to kid, your second post reeked of supposed superiority. But espeically this one.

You do know that historically Punjab ends basically where the flat land ends right? How the hell you can say the part where I live is not part of Kashmir is beyond me, it's a mountainous region which has ALWAYS been seen as a part of Kashmir. Wow, it changed hands a couple of times because of a few annexations. Your basic claim is that real Kashmiris speak the language that YOU speak, and the rest are frauds. WTF, at least get a logical argument. You failed to address the point that Kashmir is full of various different ethnicities and languages who have been there for centuries and have always been seen as Kashmiris.

There's no great need for us to call ourselves Kashmiri or even a desperation to be accepted by turds like you, but it is rather annoying when you can't even accept that there are parts of Kashmir occupied by people of different tribes/ethnicities, different languages etc. Really shows your narrow-minded mentality.

[Abdel]

Are you on your period, babez? Who are you trying to kid, your second post reeked of supposed superiority. But espeically this one.

You do know that historically Punjab ends basically where the flat land ends right? How the hell you can say the part where I live is not part of Kashmir is beyond me, it's a mountainous region which has ALWAYS been seen as a part of Kashmir. Wow, it changed hands a couple of times because of a few annexations. Your basic claim is that real Kashmiris speak the language that YOU speak, and the rest are frauds. WTF, at least get a logical argument. You failed to address the point that Kashmir is full of various different ethnicities and languages who have been there for centuries and have always been seen as Kashmiris.

There's no great need for us to call ourselves Kashmiri or even a desperation to be accepted by turds like you, but it is rather annoying when you can't even accept that there are parts of Kashmir occupied by people of different tribes/ethnicities, different languages etc. Really shows your narrow-minded mentality.


What is wrong with you? I'm very well aware of the fact that kashmir has many ethnicities residing within its borders, but they all have their own identities. Ladakh people being ladakhis, baltistan people being balti, then there's the paharis, gujjars and dogras of jamu. And yes ethnic kashmiris do speak koshur and all originate from the valley. You confuse my point of ethnic kashmiri and a kashmiri citizen.

All residents of kashmir were considered kashmiri when the state existed, people from kasheer(the valley) have ALWAYS been refered to as kashur(kashmiri) as that is their ethnicity. Thats just how it is in our language, you dont understand that and just jump to conclusions. Mirpuris etc claim that they are ethnic kashmiris which they are not, that is where the confusion arises, they say they are kashmiri when the state doesnt exist. Balti/ladhak etc people dont call themselves kashmiri either. I never once said that others weren't kashmiri, I said that they wern't ETHNIC kashmiris, you're the one at fault here, running your garbage mouth off without reading my post properly and without knowing your facts properly. A kashmiri citizen is VASTLY different to an ethnic kashmiri, that said it doesnt mean that either are any better from one another and I didnt imply that at all.

But anyway I dont even care about that, I dont care if mirpuris call themselves kashmiri or not. That di vinci dude was patronizing my post with out even knowing what I was talking about, that is why I posted in that manner the second time, but even then I wasn't being condescending. You also have no idea what I was talking about, you were quick to curse at me.

As for my first post, I specificaly said kashur people because we have a different language, different culture, different history, different everything compared to ladakh/balti/mirpuri etc people. Kashur in kashmiri(koshur) means ethnic kashmiri.

The kashmiri language is called koshur in kashmiri, it is the language spoken in the valley, there are other kashmiri languages such as kishtawari and poghuli, which are spoken in other parts. Pahari/mirpuri/dogri are not kashmiri languages.

All I was asking was if there were any kashur people on this forum, and you and di vinci fucked it all up with your lack of knowledge and ignorance. Other kashmiri citizens such as gujjars/mirpuris/ladhakis etc have their own identity, but us kashur people are only known as kashmiris as that is what our ethnicity is called...now if you dont understand that, its not my fault.

[dawg!!]

:bump:

[hurryputher]

What is wrong with you? I'm very well aware of the fact that kashmir has many ethnicities residing within its borders, but they all have their own identities. Ladakh people being ladakhis, baltistan people being balti, then there's the paharis, gujjars and dogras of jamu. And yes ethnic kashmiris do speak koshur and all originate from the valley. You confuse my point of ethnic kashmiri and a kashmiri citizen.

All residents of kashmir were considered kashmiri when the state existed, people from kasheer(the valley) have ALWAYS been refered to as kashur(kashmiri) as that is their ethnicity. Thats just how it is in our language, you dont understand that and just jump to conclusions. Mirpuris etc claim that they are ethnic kashmiris which they are not, that is where the confusion arises, they say they are kashmiri when the state doesnt exist. Balti/ladhak etc people dont call themselves kashmiri either. I never once said that others weren't kashmiri, I said that they wern't ETHNIC kashmiris, you're the one at fault here, running your garbage mouth off without reading my post properly and without knowing your facts properly. A kashmiri citizen is VASTLY different to an ethnic kashmiri, that said it doesnt mean that either are any better from one another and I didnt imply that at all.

But anyway I dont even care about that, I dont care if mirpuris call themselves kashmiri or not. That di vinci dude was patronizing my post with out even knowing what I was talking about, that is why I posted in that manner the second time, but even then I wasn't being condescending. You also have no idea what I was talking about, you were quick to curse at me.

As for my first post, I specificaly said kashur people because we have a different language, different culture, different history, different everything compared to ladakh/balti/mirpuri etc people. Kashur in kashmiri(koshur) means ethnic kashmiri.

The kashmiri language is called koshur in kashmiri, it is the language spoken in the valley, there are other kashmiri languages such as kishtawari and poghuli, which are spoken in other parts. Pahari/mirpuri/dogri are not kashmiri languages.

All I was asking was if there were any kashur people on this forum, and you and di vinci fucked it all up with your lack of knowledge and ignorance. Other kashmiri citizens such as gujjars/mirpuris/ladhakis etc have their own identity, but us kashur people are only known as kashmiris as that is what our ethnicity is called...now if you dont understand that, its not my fault.

Dude, I know about those ethnicities, they refer themselves as that, same as I say mirpuri/pahari when questioned in detail about my heritage, but when asked about their background I guarantee you most of them reply with 'Kashmiri' first and foremost. (with the exception of maybe Ladakhis and those from Baltistan, haven't really met many of them)

My whole diatribe against you was based on your second post. You say you've never said others weren't Kashmiri? Then what was this, just stick with the word Kashur and you'll avoid confusing people.

You're probably a mirpuri posing as a kashmiri I'm guessing? Well atleast from your pic you dont look kashmiri at all so I'm probably right.

I would say Kashur is your ethnicity and Kashmir your nationality. I know the state doesn't exist literally, but in principle it does. Even Azad Kashmir is separated from Pakistan by a border, is classed as disputed territory, and subject to all kinds of different laws and regulations which I could go on about for hours.

Also, the fact that you're implying ethnic kashmiris are somehow different looking to the rest of us. What's that then, brownish hair, light skin and light eyes? lol you should see a pic of me (quite a few people on this site can vouch for this), you may even change your mind about Mirpuris not being real Kashmiris.

And your claim that 'They are not punjabis like mirpuris/azad kashmiris' is well, simply put, erroneous. lol Mirpuris are anything but Punjabis.

I don't have a problem with you calling yourself an ethnic Kashmiri, and I've never ever heard of any Mirpuri call themselves one, but we will always call ourselves Kashmiri because that is the land we are from. Everyone in the world (outside of your area) considers us Kashmiri too. The suggestion that the rest are somehow fake kashmiris irks me that's all, and if you really didn't mean that, then well, fair play.

[di vinci]

i hate fake kashmiris like abdel

im going to burn youon a cross. u fake ass hoe :D

[Abdel]

Dude, I know about those ethnicities, they refer themselves as that, same as I say mirpuri/pahari when questioned in detail about my heritage, but when asked about their background I guarantee you most of them reply with 'Kashmiri' first and foremost. (with the exception of maybe Ladakhis and those from Baltistan, haven't really met many of them)

My whole diatribe against you was based on your second post. You say you've never said others weren't Kashmiri? Then what was this, just stick with the word Kashur and you'll avoid confusing people.

You're probably a mirpuri posing as a kashmiri I'm guessing? Well atleast from your pic you dont look kashmiri at all so I'm probably right.

I would say Kashur is your ethnicity and Kashmir your nationality. I know the state doesn't exist literally, but in principle it does. Even Azad Kashmir is separated from Pakistan by a border, is classed as disputed territory, and subject to all kinds of different laws and regulations which I could go on about for hours.

Also, the fact that you're implying ethnic kashmiris are somehow different looking to the rest of us. What's that then, brownish hair, light skin and light eyes? lol you should see a pic of me (quite a few people on this site can vouch for this), you may even change your mind about Mirpuris not being real Kashmiris.

And your claim that 'They are not punjabis like mirpuris/azad kashmiris' is well, simply put, erroneous. lol Mirpuris are anything but Punjabis.

I don't have a problem with you calling yourself an ethnic Kashmiri, and I've never ever heard of any Mirpuri call themselves one, but we will always call ourselves Kashmiri because that is the land we are from. Everyone in the world (outside of your area) considers us Kashmiri too. The suggestion that the rest are somehow fake kashmiris irks me that's all, and if you really didn't mean that, then well, fair play.

I dont know where you're getting the notion that mirpuris are not punjabis from, punjabis are a big ethnicity which include rajputs/jats/gujars/sudhans/pothwari etc. If I'm wrong then could you tell me would ethnicity it is that you belong to?(I'm curious to know). I've always been told that mirpuris are punjabis and all mipuris I know say so too. As I said earlier ethnically kashmiris are dardic people and not punjabi(its like how pathans are vastly different to gujratis)and I know for a fact that dogras are related to punjabis and thought that mirpuris/sudhans/rajputs/jats/pahari etc people were too. But since you're telling me otherwise, do tell me if you know yourself. Mirpuris/paharis/gujars etc are not dardic and according to you not punjabi either, Ladakh people are sino-tibetan, balti people are a mixture of but mainly tibetan, so you can see that they're different to kashur people, thus the reason they dont call themselves kashmiri.

Light skin, eyes, hair is not the point, many afghans/pakistanis/iranians can go to spain/italy and look the same as them, it still wont make them spanish or italian. You get plenty of punjabis who are light skinned have light eyes etc, its quite common, so again your point is moot.

It's not as if I'm the one who came up with the term ethnic kashmiri, that is what we are called. If you read the humans right watch link I posted earlier, it refers to azad kashmiris as ethnic punjabi and vale kashmiris as ethnic kashmiris.

Even the South Asia analysis group also states that mirpuris are punjabi and not ethnic kashmiris. Either you're misinformed or all these international organisations are wrong.(Can provide link if needed)

This whole argument isn't going anywhere, to me it seems like you dont understand the difference between ethnic kashmri and kashmiri citizen.

Vale of kashmir has been kashmir for 2000+yrs, hilly parts of Azad kashmir and plains of mirpur,baltistan,ladakh were added to kashmir 150yrs ago, thus the distinction between ethnic and citizen kashmiris. It's like the tajiks of afghanistan, they've been part of the country for a while now, theyr afghans by citizenship, but aren't really afghans as they aren't pathan but at the same time it doesnt make the fake afghanis, theyr just a different afghani. Dont take this offensivly please, I'm just trying to explain the ethnics here.

P.S. If you do reply, please remain civil.

[hurryputher]

Goddamn, you don't half write a lot. I'll reply when I can be arsed

[Chucky_666]

u heard of a place call dadyal im from near there. ur right that dude on top is :nuts:
Hurry and I are too. :p