Amritdhaari Girl Converts To Islam?

[thesoldier]

WTF !!!! :mad:

Brainwashed or forcefully converted i say.


watch?v=EMxA3buFxtg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMxA3buFxtg

[Spork]

A building in Belgium was taxed if there was a street light on it...unless a statue of the Virgin Mary were place above it. Hence, there are no buildings in the city without a statue of the Virgin Mary.

[Punjabi_Link]

What is wrong with desis in UK? I have been hearing this converting nonsense like couple years now. What is going on down there?

[DasJa]

Islam is the only true religion :Paper:.....sez so on my bumper sticker!!

[Lord_Dirty]

What is wrong with desis in UK? I have been hearing this converting nonsense like couple years now. What is going on down there?


hardcore sig prava

[Cunard]

who cares....if she finds what shes looking for from underneath a burka....all the power to her

[Punjabi_Link]

Thanks! :)

[Punjabi_Link]

who cares....if she finds what shes looking for from underneath a burka....all the power to her

True....I guess

But it seems a lot of people in the UK are converting these days. You don't see that kind of stuff happening in Canada.

[Ramand]

True....I guess

But it seems a lot of people in the UK are converting these days. You don't see that kind of stuff happening in Canada.
it probably happens but people just don't like to make it into a big deal and have it on the news etc...

[Cunard]

True....I guess

But it seems a lot of people in the UK are converting these days. You don't see that kind of stuff happening in Canada.

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrust

[sexxichic2envy]

Who cares? Her life...her choice. Why must we assume she was forced??

[Punjabi_Link]

it probably happens but people just don't like to make it into a big deal and have it on the news etc...

True. Canadians tend to be more cool about these issues compare to others.

[ssjasper2003]

Quite sad, glad my parents dont have a problem with me arguing how stupid religion is.

[class_of_my_own]

Who cares? Her life...her choice. Why must we assume she was forced??

EXACTLY

[Pompeii]

Why is it always considered the story of the century when somebody converts to Islam? Do fucking tell me why it also requires you to make a thread?

[thesoldier]

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrust

Agreed

[Punjabi_Link]

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrust

My knowledge on UK is kind of limited so I can really say much....But I hope UK sikhs can deal with these militant muslims when getting attacked by them.

[class_of_my_own]

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrust

ey?? :sarb:

[Punjabi_Link]

Who cares? Her life...her choice. Why must we assume she was forced??

:werd:

As long she wasn't "force" (black mailed) to convert

[Cunard]

My knowledge on UK is kind of limited so I can really say much....But I hope UK sikhs can deal with these militant muslims when getting attacked.

hopefully the conservatives will get voted in and halt certain immigration and start deporting some of those nutcase imams they have preaching at the masjids

[sexxichic2envy]

:werd:

As long she wasn't "force" (black mailed) to convert
:hug: I like your posts.

[Punjabi_Link]

:hug: I like your posts.

Thanks! :)

[PaiN infLictioN]

alham-dhulillah

[class_of_my_own]

My knowledge on UK is kind of limited so I can really say much....But I hope UK sikhs can deal with these militant muslims when getting attacked by them.

u have limited knowledge so don't comment!

[thesoldier]

Who cares? Her life...her choice. Why must we assume she was forced??


1st of all she is an amrithari (baptised sikh). She made a choice to be a full fledged sikh and sworn infront of the Sikh holy book that she would pray everyday and believe in our Gurus.

Now these muslim extremists, are bent on converting sikh girls especially with Turbans, as that is a great insult to sikhs.

http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/

How can a strict Sikh girl who has promised to live the sikh way of life (strictly religious), suddenly convert to islam?????

This is the first in uk history dont u all think???

[Punjabi_Link]

u have limited knowledge so don't comment!

limited knowledge on what? UK? Yes, I don't know much about the UK and their people. But I will still comment on certain things about them if I want to.

[jafferman]

wow i think its retarded if people actually believe that she got brainwashed its obvious that the family is really hurt that there own daughter did that..

[sexxichic2envy]

1st of all she is an amrithari (baptised sikh). She made a choice to be a full fledged sikh and sworn infront of the Sikh holy book that she would pray everyday and believe in our Gurus.

Now these muslim extremists, are bent on converting sikh girls especially with Turbans, as that is a great insult to sikhs.

http://www.whyichosesikhism.com/

How can a strict Sikh girl who has promised to live the sikh way of life (strictly religious), suddenly convert to islam?????

This is the first in uk history dont u all think???
A true Sikh will die before converting so a threat or blackmail wouldn't have much impact. She wasn't a true Sikh to begin with if she's that weak. And if she converted on her own... then I reiterate...her life, her choice.

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

u have limited knowledge so don't comment!
dude chill ,i know its not right to point fingers on any community right now whether muslim or sikh.The girl made her own individual choice let her live the way she wants.For ppl complaining abt muslim extremism in UK r just retarded ignore them

[sexxichic2envy]

*Waits for 10+ pages of Sikh vs. Muslim Bullshit*

:no:

[thesoldier]

alham-dhulillah


Go F. URSELF........

OHH LOST ONE, PLEASE READ FURTHER the truth


http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/


;) no hard feelings

[jafferman]

A true Sikh will die before converting so a threat or blackmail wouldn't have much impact. She wasn't a true Sikh to begin with if she's that weak. And if she converted on her own... then I reiterate...her life, her choice.
exactly it maybe her own choice i doubt she got brain washed..

[di vinci]

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrust
biggest bullshit iv heard in ages..

coming from a dude who lives in canada, has no knowledge of wat uk muslim or sikhs really do.

yes there are isolate incidents. but thats it (90's of the time they are drug related not religion related. last time i check both faiths frown on the used of drugs). i havnt heard in a really long time, where uk muslim n sikhs have had gang fights. maybe in the early 90's. these days no.

cunard i suggest you do wat u do best, drill holes n look for black gold. in future do not post ur views in a thread, that you have no knowlegde of. dont come up with a lame excuse u read it in the media or saw it on the news. cus u seem like a guy with his own brain so used it...

[PaiN infLictioN]

wow i think its retarded if people actually believe that she got brainwashed its obvious that the family is really hurt that there own daughter did that..
then again thats the first thing that comes into their heads these days when they hear about ppl converting to Islam...that they got "BRAINWASHED"

give me a fuckin break :no:

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

*Waits for 10+ pages of Sikh vs. Muslim Bullshit*

:no:
LOL :p

[jafferman]

*Waits for 10+ pages of Sikh vs. Muslim Bullshit*

:no:
lol obviously

[jafferman]

then again thats the first thing that comes into their heads these days when they hear about ppl converting to Islam...that they got "BRAINWASHED"

give me a fuckin break :no:
I know what the fuck kind of bullshit assuming is that

[DasJa]

*Waits for 10+ pages of Sikh vs. Muslim Bullshit*

:no:
Damnit!! Just as I'm leaving for the day :mad:

[Cunard]

wow i think its retarded if people actually believe that she got brainwashed its obvious that the family is really hurt that there own daughter did that..

brainwashing and black mailing non-muslims and muslims is very common....it wouldnt be out of bounds to bring this up.....especially when u have muslims in the UK walking around with karas and khandas

[Space-Cowboy]

*Waits for 10+ pages of Sikh vs. Muslim Bullshit*

:no:

:hug:

[thesoldier]

A true Sikh will die before converting so a threat or blackmail wouldn't have much impact. She wasn't a true Sikh to begin with if she's that weak. And if she converted on her own... then I reiterate...her life, her choice.



These extremists blackmail u in such a way, that she had no choice...give it a few days and the TRUTH will come out.

Tacticts of spiking the girls drink, then getting her nude and taking pictures. and then blackmailed into is she dont convert the pictures would be shown to her parents (as in she had sex with them). Is a very common tactic, for these extremist muslims!

Now in the above example, if that was u, would u die??? sure u would lol


:rolleyes:

[RacingSoul]

*Waits for 10+ pages of Sikh vs. Muslim Bullshit*

:no:

jo bole so nihaal...sat sri akal! :rambo:

[PaiN infLictioN]

Go F. URSELF........

OHH LOST ONE, PLEASE READ FURTHER the truth


http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/


;) no hard feelings
if you're tryin to instigate shit please dont bother, because u already proved yourself as being a complete idiot.

[Lord_Dirty]

I GOT MY GANDASI

where dem bunk ass sullay at

WHERE

daso minu

kithay!!

[class_of_my_own]

if she wanted to convert out of her free will then what's the problem? same as if someone converted from another religion, such as islam to christianity.....its their choice at the end of the day, and i don't see what the big deal is....why do you presume that she was brainwashed and that 'muslim militants' as it has been put, are so eager to convert people to islam. if it is done by force then thats just wrong!

[DasJa]

http://www.tirakita.com/Music_CD/Photos/mcd_pops_14.jpg

[di vinci]

:slap:

[RacingSoul]

I GOT MY GANDASI

where dem bunk ass sullay at

WHERE

daso minu

kithay!!

circumcision bank :p

[nayeemx33]

Go F. URSELF........

OHH LOST ONE, PLEASE READ FURTHER the truth


http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/


;) no hard feelings

That's a reliable source :dance3:

[Lord_Dirty]

circumcision bank :p

http://tinypic.com/ff1yld.jpg

CHARGEEEE

[Space-Cowboy]

That's a reliable source :dance3:


Yea, I get what you're saying........ but from time to time, there's some good articles in it to fend off guys like Naik. ;) :p






WWD, I see you reading this thread..... don't worry, no disrespect.. :p :grouphug:

[di vinci]

if she wanted to convert out of her free will then what's the problem? same as if someone converted from another religion, such as islam to christianity.....its their choice at the end of the day, and i don't see what the big deal is....why do you presume that she was brainwashed and that 'muslim militants' as it has been put, are so eager to convert people to islam. if it is done by force then thats just wrong!


can u really force any one in the west to change religion??

you cant even force people to go to work. why do we talk about sikh militants that beat up a sikh police officer in a gudwara. i fort the gudwara was a place of peace worship n tranquillity. not full of militants.


(yes i know the story behind him, he had a gun and apprently he was one of the follwers of that dude who thinks he a the first guru sahib)

[BornToBreak_Rulz]

on a better note guyz listen to this music video its really cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dde7MrelbzE :dance3:









*waits for bashing*

[foreverconfused]

She has the freedom to convert if she wants. There is no evidence (in the video) that she was forced.

[class_of_my_own]

These extremists blackmail u in such a way, that she had no choice...give it a few days and the TRUTH will come out.

Tacticts of spiking the girls drink, then getting her nude and taking pictures. and then blackmailed into is she dont convert the pictures would be shown to her parents (as in she had sex with them). Is a very common tactic, for these extremist muslims!

Now in the above example, if that was u, would u die??? sure u would lol


:rolleyes:

err decent muslims wouldnt' do the kind of stuff you've just described. i'm guessing you've heard of one isolated incident and overapplying it to all muslims. sad :rolleyes:

[Space-Cowboy]

She has the freedom to convert if she wants. There is no evidence (in the video) that she was forced.


I wanna convert to Cowboyism.. :(

[di vinci]

These extremists blackmail u in such a way, that she had no choice...give it a few days and the TRUTH will come out.

Tacticts of spiking the girls drink, then getting her nude and taking pictures. and then blackmailed into is she dont convert the pictures would be shown to her parents (as in she had sex with them). Is a very common tactic, for these extremist muslims!

Now in the above example, if that was u, would u die??? sure u would lol


:rolleyes:


thats a good one. your one funny guy. u should be a stand up comedian. tahts the ebst joke i heard all day. spike her drink, take nudes photo. :p :p :p


opps i nearly fell off my chair :p :p :p

[thesoldier]

brainwashing and black mailing non-muslims and muslims is very common....it wouldnt be out of bounds to bring this up.....especially when u have muslims in the UK walking around with karas and khandas
:werd:

Lets not take it to heart guys/ girls . We know sikhs will rule in the end.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji had prophecied, Sikhs will rule, and islam shall fail :)

Karni Nama
While Guru Nanak was in Mecca and Medina, Qazi Rukan Din asked, ?True King, tell us your prophecy again. Tell us how you will unfold the future?.. What are the instructions for the future? Nanak replied Rukan Din, listen to the true answer Whosoever reads or listens to this shall be content. All doubts shall be removed. In the tenth dress shall reside The Lord. I shall fight many battles against Emperor Aurangzeb. I shall then send a letter of victory (Zafarnamah) to Aurangzeb with my Singh (Bhai Daya Singh). Upon seeing him, Power shall lessen and he shall forget his devious ways. Emperor Aurangzeb will be overwhelmed by the sight of Daya Singh and will start to tremble. The Khalsa been resurrected! Good has not been done by Gobind Singh! I shall vanish (from sight) having given a kingdom; My name being Gobind There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur. I will have to return again to resurrect the Khalsa. They shall reside in the Punjab. I shall make people from all four corners into one. They will be in Majjha; They will raid Lahore. They will bring Potohaar to justice; They will take Peshawar. They will set up a cantonment at Attock and then open the Khyber Pass. They will establish a kingdom in Kabul and then take Ghazni. After bringing Hazaara to justice they will march on to Kandahar. After taking Balack and Buckaara, they will conquer Sindh and Baloch. After gaining victory over these lands they shall govern all the people. Mecca, Medina and Rome shall tremble. They shall gain victory in battle over south and west India. The Gurus Army shall sit at the throne of Delhi. Umbrellas of kingship shall sway over their heads. All shall be content. From East to West all shall be conquered. None shall challenge the Khalsa. All humanity shall become one. In the kingdom of the True King, Satjug shall be established. The Khalsa Panth shall rule. The arrows of death shall not touch them. The Army of the Timeless shall grow and spread like locusts. All shall wear vestments of blue; no one else shall be seen. Listen Qazi Rukan Din, The Singhs shall rule. The Unholy Sheikhs shall be destroyed. Pirs and Mureeds shall be no more. All shall recite the one name of the Lord. Then he shall come himself. The untrue shall not be able to see his glory. All humanity shall unite and he will distribute provinces. The Earth shall give food and the mountains shall give diamonds. Fruits of many kinds there shall be, upon the sight of the timeless. All shall recite VAHEGURU and achieve salvation. Many Dharamsalas (places of discussion) shall exist. The Koran and the Mosques shall vanish. The Lord shall manifest himself in body (as man). He will make all utter VAHEGURU. All Singhs shall flock under his banner. All shall know him as the True One. He will sit at the throne of Delhi. He will establish a kingdom of peace and no enemies will remain. Wherever the Khalsa turns his eye, the 14 realms shall tremble. For 14,000 years, this kingdom shall remain. Wealth will be collected and food shall be distributed. The naked and the starving shall all receive; no one will go without. Sayeth Nanak, Rukan Din, This is how it shall be. Whosoever reads the Karni Namah, his love with The Lord shall grow. The Word of the Timeless shall prevail. Those uttering falsehood shall not remain. After the effect of The Akaal, forests, mountains and the world shall see salvation. The Khalsa shall Rule. There will be no-one left to oppose them. All who are lost shall gain the safety of the Khalsa Utter Vaheguru Ji :D

[Ramand]

this has nothing to do with blackmailing or such things...the girl wanted to convert...the parents are ashamed of what she is doing and is making any excuse to cover it...they don't want people talking about them...

my opinion

[class_of_my_own]

:werd:

Lets not take it to heart guys/ girls . We know sikhs will rule in the end.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji had prophecied, Sikhs will rule, and islam shall fail :)

Karni Nama
While Guru Nanak was in Mecca and Medina, Qu will unfold the future. Your name is Nanak Nirankari and you are from the Nation of the Lord. What are the instructions for the future? Nanak replied Rukan Din, listen to the true answer Whosoever reads or listens to this shall be content. All doubts shall be removed. In the tenth dress shall reside The Lord. I shall fight many battles against Emperor Aurangzeb. I shall then send a letter of victory (Zafarnamah) to Aurangzeb with my Singh (Bhai Daya Singh). Upon seeing him, Power shall lessen and he shall forget his devious ways. Emperor Aurangzeb will be overwhelmed by the sight of Daya Singh and will start to tremble. The Khalsa been resurrected! Good has not been done by Gobind Singh! I shall vanish (from sight) having given a kingdom; My name being Gobind There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur. I will have to return again to resurrect the Khalsa. They shall reside in the Punjab. I shall make people from all four corners into one. They will be in Majjha; They will raid Lahore. They will bring Potohaar to justice; They will take Peshawar. They will set up a cantonment at Attock and then open the Khyber Pass. They will establish a kingdom in Kabul and then take Ghazni. After bringing Hazaara to justice they will march on to Kandahar. After taking Balack and Buckaara, they will conquer Sindh and Baloch. After gaining victory over these lands they shall govern all the people. Mecca, Medina and Rome shall tremble. They shall gain victory in battle over south and west India. The Gurus Army shall sit at the throne of Delhi. Umbrellas of kingship shall sway over their heads. All shall be content. From East to West all shall be conquered. None shall challenge the Khalsa. All humanity shall become one. In the kingdom of the True King, Satjug shall be established. The Khalsa Panth shall rule. The arrows of death shall not touch them. The Army of the Timeless shall grow and spread like locusts. All shall wear vestments of blue; no one else shall be seen. Listen Qazi Rukan Din, The Singhs shall rule. The Unholy Sheikhs shall be destroyed. Pirs and Mureeds shall be no more. All shall recite the one name of the Lord. Then he shall come himself. The untrue shall not be able to see his glory. All humanity shall unite and he will distribute provinces. The Earth shall give food and the mountains shall give diamonds. Fruits of many kinds there shall be, upon the sight of the timeless. All shall recite VAHEGURU and achieve salvation. Many Dharamsalas (places of discussion) shall exist. The Koran and the Mosques shall vanish. The Lord shall manifest himself in body (as man). He will make all utter VAHEGURU. All Singhs shall flock under his banner. All shall know him as the True One. He will sit at the throne of Delhi. He will establish a kingdom of peace and no enemies will remain. Wherever the Khalsa turns his eye, the 14 realms shall tremble. For 14,000 years, this kingdom shall remain. Wealth will be collected and food shall be distributed. The naked and the starving shall all receive; no one will go without. Sayeth Nanak, Rukan Din, This is how it shall be. Whosoever reads the Karni Namah, his love with The Lord shall grow. The Word of the Timeless shall prevail. Those uttering falsehood shall not remain. After the effect of The Akaal, forests, mountains and the world shall see salvation. The Khalsa shall Rule. There will be no-one left to oppose them. All who are lost shall gain the safety of the Khalsa Utter Vaheguru Ji :D

no offence but it looks like its u whos trying to do the brainwashing

[PaiN infLictioN]

:werd:

Lets not take it to heart guys/ girls . We know sikhs will rule in the end.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji had prophecied, Sikhs will rule, and islam shall fail :)

Karni Nama
While Guru Nanak was in Mecca and Medina, Qu will unfold the future. Your name is Nanak Nirankari and you are from the Nation of the Lord. What are the instructions for the future? Nanak replied Rukan Din, listen to the true answer Whosoever reads or listens to this shall be content. All doubts shall be removed. In the tenth dress shall reside The Lord. I shall fight many battles against Emperor Aurangzeb. I shall then send a letter of victory (Zafarnamah) to Aurangzeb with my Singh (Bhai Daya Singh). Upon seeing him, Power shall lessen and he shall forget his devious ways. Emperor Aurangzeb will be overwhelmed by the sight of Daya Singh and will start to tremble. The Khalsa been resurrected! Good has not been done by Gobind Singh! I shall vanish (from sight) having given a kingdom; My name being Gobind There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur. I will have to return again to resurrect the Khalsa. They shall reside in the Punjab. I shall make people from all four corners into one. They will be in Majjha; They will raid Lahore. They will bring Potohaar to justice; They will take Peshawar. They will set up a cantonment at Attock and then open the Khyber Pass. They will establish a kingdom in Kabul and then take Ghazni. After bringing Hazaara to justice they will march on to Kandahar. After taking Balack and Buckaara, they will conquer Sindh and Baloch. After gaining victory over these lands they shall govern all the people. Mecca, Medina and Rome shall tremble. They shall gain victory in battle over south and west India. The Gurus Army shall sit at the throne of Delhi. Umbrellas of kingship shall sway over their heads. All shall be content. From East to West all shall be conquered. None shall challenge the Khalsa. All humanity shall become one. In the kingdom of the True King, Satjug shall be established. The Khalsa Panth shall rule. The arrows of death shall not touch them. The Army of the Timeless shall grow and spread like locusts. All shall wear vestments of blue; no one else shall be seen. Listen Qazi Rukan Din, The Singhs shall rule. The Unholy Sheikhs shall be destroyed. Pirs and Mureeds shall be no more. All shall recite the one name of the Lord. Then he shall come himself. The untrue shall not be able to see his glory. All humanity shall unite and he will distribute provinces. The Earth shall give food and the mountains shall give diamonds. Fruits of many kinds there shall be, upon the sight of the timeless. All shall recite VAHEGURU and achieve salvation. Many Dharamsalas (places of discussion) shall exist. The Koran and the Mosques shall vanish. The Lord shall manifest himself in body (as man). He will make all utter VAHEGURU. All Singhs shall flock under his banner. All shall know him as the True One. He will sit at the throne of Delhi. He will establish a kingdom of peace and no enemies will remain. Wherever the Khalsa turns his eye, the 14 realms shall tremble. For 14,000 years, this kingdom shall remain. Wealth will be collected and food shall be distributed. The naked and the starving shall all receive; no one will go without. Sayeth Nanak, Rukan Din, This is how it shall be. Whosoever reads the Karni Namah, his love with The Lord shall grow. The Word of the Timeless shall prevail. Those uttering falsehood shall not remain. After the effect of The Akaal, forests, mountains and the world shall see salvation. The Khalsa shall Rule. There will be no-one left to oppose them. All who are lost shall gain the safety of the Khalsa Utter Vaheguru Ji :D
:roflbow::roflbow::roflbow::roflbow::roflbow::rofl bow:

[WildWolfdog]

"She must've been brainwashed because she converted to Islam" - what fucking bullshit. It couldn't possibly be because she might prefer a belief system which isn't Sikhism?

She converted because there are hardcore muslims always hellbent on coverting people? And this is in the news because she's a convert? Lol @ people trying to sidestep the issue. This is in the news because her life and the life of people who gave her refuge after her conversion is being threatened. This is similar to when the Afghans wanted to kill the man who converted out of Islam (and it was also in the news, rightly so).

When MASKED MEN with AXES and PETROL CANS burst into your fucking house, it's a big deal and I'm glad it's out in the open that it's not just people of Islamic origin can act this way and that religion doesn't dictate these actions. I like how no one is mentioning how this is also a form of terrorism.

If the roles were reversed, and it was muslims barging into someone else's houses because their daughter converted out of Islam, a lot of the posters on the forums wouldn't be so calm and collected - many would be claiming how Islam is to blame and that muslims are fanatics and backwards, etc etc.

[CashMoneyHoes]

fuckin muslims... no wonder they are being killed all around the world. Its because they do stupid shit like this, its predicted that religion wont even be around soon (not very soon). I wouldnt even waste my time trying to get anyone to convert.

[jafferman]

"She must've been brainwashed because she converted to Islam" - what fucking bullshit. It couldn't possibly be because she might prefer a belief system which isn't Sikhism?

She converted because there are hardcore muslims always hellbent on coverting people? And this is in the news because she's a convert? Lol @ people trying to sidestep the issue. This is in the news because her life and the life of people who gave her refuge after her conversion is being threatened. This is similar to when the Afghans wanted to kill the man who converted out of Islam (and it was also in the news, rightly so).

When MASKED MEN with AXES and PETROL CANS burst into your fucking house, it's a big deal and I'm glad it's out in the open that it's not just people of Islamic origin can act this way and that religion doesn't dictate these actions. I like how no one is mentioning how this is also a form of terrorism.

If the roles were reversed, and it was muslims barging into someone else's houses because their daughter converted out of Islam, a lot of the posters on the forums wouldn't be so calm and collected - many would be claiming how Islam is to blame and that muslims are fanatics and backwards, etc etc.
good post

[WildWolfdog]

Go F. URSELF........

OHH LOST ONE, PLEASE READ FURTHER the truth

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/

;) no hard feelings

I hope walktheline sees this and ban you for obvious attempts at flaming.

fuckin muslims... no wonder they are being killed all around the world. Its because they do stupid shit like this, its predicted that religion wont even be around soon (not very soon). I wouldnt even waste my time trying to get anyone to convert.

and you too.

[punjabipride04]

What is wrong with desis in UK? I have been hearing this converting nonsense like couple years now. What is going on down there?
There's a coupla hundred conversions every year amongst Indian folk, the Sikh Soc at uni gave us a good 3 hour talk about it, it's been going on for years....I'll try & find some links (Lots of it happens within universities, when guys pretend to be sikh/hindu & wear a Kara) Then they make up names etc whilst clubbing, girl falls in love ..then finds out the truth & the guy asks them to convert. Some are paid upto around 5k for each conversion. There was also some kind of talk up north K to K aka Kaur to Khan (Being lectured by a man who converted himself...only girls were in there converted girls)& some Sikhs went to the lecture to find out what is was about & had a debate with the guy. Hmmm I'll try find some links. What I have just explained what just in short.

[Space-Cowboy]

Everyone, gather around me, and let's :grouphug:

[Rcade]

what's amritdhaari?

[RacingSoul]

what's amritdhaari?
hardcore sikh...very religious.

[evisu_123]

Who cares? Her life...her choice. Why must we assume she was forced??
amen to that

[thesoldier]

if she wanted to convert out of her free will then what's the problem? same as if someone converted from another religion, such as islam to christianity.....its their choice at the end of the day, and i don't see what the big deal is....why do you presume that she was brainwashed and that 'muslim militants' as it has been put, are so eager to convert people to islam. if it is done by force then thats just wrong!



Listen moron. Try converting a muslim girl, then watch what happens.
This muslim girl was going out with a sikh guy and u know wot her father and brother did, they killed her. end of. Muslims are okey when other religions convert to theirs, but, if its the other way around, they will do anything to stop it. The've made a dumb law up as well that apostates will be killed :rolleyes:

[PaiN infLictioN]

hardcore sikh...very religious.
i dunno why...but i always keep confusing u with Rcade and vice versa :lol:

[malkeet]

There's a coupla hundred conversions every year amongst Indian folk, the Sikh Soc at uni gave us a good 3 hour talk about it, it's been going on for years....I'll try & find some links (Lots of it happens within universities, when guys pretend to be sikh/hindu & wear a Kara) Then they make up names etc whilst clubbing, girl falls in love ..then finds out the truth & the guy asks them to convert. Some are paid upto around 5k for each conversion. There was also some kind of talk up north K to K aka Kaur to Khan (Being lectured by a man who converted himself...only girls were in there converted girls)& some Sikhs went to the lecture to find out what is was about & had a debate with the guy. Hmmm I'll try find some links. What I have just explained what just in short.

:werd:

forced conversions do happen! there are lots of reports of sikh girls being blackmailed into conversions.

Maybe some are out of their own choice, but forced conversions are happening. The reason why a lot sikhs are so shocked with this current one, is because she is a very chardikala/orthodox strict sikh girl, whom wears a dastaar.

[ptrehan]

Listen moron. Try converting a muslim girl, then watch what happens.
This muslim girl was going out with a sikh guy and u know wot her father and brother did, they killed her. end of. Muslims are okey when other religions convert to theirs, but, if its the other way around, they will do anything to stop it. The've made a dumb law up as well that apostates will be killed :rolleyes:

haha I love this guy, fight fundie muzzies with a fundie sikh. Fight the good fight.

[RacingSoul]

i dunno why...but i always keep confusing u with Rcade and vice versa :lol:

i keep confusing u with UnsignedHype :werd:

[malkeet]

what's amritdhaari?

this is someone whom has taken amrit and is a propper baptised sikh.

[Rcade]

her friends say she chose to convert..

it is kind of suspicious why she doesn't see her family; maybe it's because shes afraid they might harm her seeing as they are kind of extreme

[di vinci]

There's a coupla hundred conversions every year amongst Indian folk, the Sikh Soc at uni gave us a good 3 hour talk about it, it's been going on for years....I'll try & find some links (Lots of it happens within universities, when guys pretend to be sikh/hindu & wear a Kara) Then they make up names etc whilst clubbing, girl falls in love ..then finds out the truth & the guy asks them to convert. Some are paid upto around 5k for each conversion. There was also some kind of talk up north K to K aka Kaur to Khan (Being lectured by a man who converted himself...only girls were in there converted girls)& some Sikhs went to the lecture to find out what is was about & had a debate with the guy. Hmmm I'll try find some links. What I have just explained what just in short.

:no:

there is no conspriracy against hindu, or sikh girls being converted for islam. how can u force someone to convert. hne i was at uni i had doubts about my faith. tyhe more i tried to escape it, the more intrigued i became to study it more deeper. every one has tehir calling. im not god to say ur faith is wrong, but we will never knwo untile teh day we die



how comes when the hindu forum and the police authourity did a joint investigation. they couldnt find ONE forceconversion, they werent able to find a group of muslim militants [parading as sikhs. love u need to look outside of the box.

[PaiN infLictioN]

i keep confusing u with UnsignedHype :werd:
now how is that possible :think:

[Rcade]

this is someone whom has taken amrit and is a propper baptised sikh.

ok.

[thesoldier]

There's a coupla hundred conversions every year amongst Indian folk, the Sikh Soc at uni gave us a good 3 hour talk about it, it's been going on for years....I'll try & find some links (Lots of it happens within universities, when guys pretend to be sikh/hindu & wear a Kara) Then they make up names etc whilst clubbing, girl falls in love ..then finds out the truth & the guy asks them to convert. Some are paid upto around 5k for each conversion. There was also some kind of talk up north K to K aka Kaur to Khan (Being lectured by a man who converted himself...only girls were in there converted girls)& some Sikhs went to the lecture to find out what is was about & had a debate with the guy. Hmmm I'll try find some links. What I have just explained what just in short.


Exactly, the truth. There was supposed to be a documentary of hindu / sikh conversion that was supposed to come on Panaroma/Dipsatches i think but it got cancelled or maybe delayed, as it would have caused serious uproar around uk.

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Offensive letters in Slough

Sikhs and Muslims in Slough are reported to be outraged at a spate of anonymous letters circulating in the town advising Muslim youths to "convert" Sikh girls by having sex with them. The letter was headed '786 Khilafa' and used highly offensive language. The letter has been condemned by Sikh and Muslim leaders, the police, race relations officers and the mayor. There is no indication as to the origins of the letter but its contents are similar to a leaflet which circulated in Southall (Slough & Langley Express 27.07.95). In the light of the tensions between elements of the Asian community in Slough, 18 prominent Sikh, Muslim and Hindu leaders signed a joint petition asking for a forthcoming Asian Mela to be cancelled in the interest of community relations. They feared that trouble-makers would use it to exploit religious rivalries. The organiser of the mela opposed moves to cancel it saying that it was an idea provoked by political rivalry. The same person was organising the Southall Mela which was cancelled on police advice. The council decided that there was insufficient evidence of impending trouble and so allowed the arrangements to stand (Slough & Langley Observer 28.07.95).

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Sikhs and Muslims in Southall

Police in Southall wrote to the council's licensing committee asking them not to grant a licence for a live concert of bhangra music which was due to take place during the two-day Asian Mela on 8th and 9th July. The reason given was the grave danger of tensions between Sikh and Muslim youths (see BMMS for May and June 1995) leading to an open conflict at the festival. According to the senior police officer's official letter, "One group will attempt to disrupt the other's religious festivals. Weapons are always in evidence and serious injuries have resulted. These conflicts are focused in the Southall area. Our worst fear for further escalation is the death of somebody from either side" (Southall Gazette 30.06.95).

Tensions have been further increased by anonymous leaflets which have been circulating in the area. The leaflets, which have been pushed through letterboxes, are headed "Khilafa" and speak of Sikhs as a "thorn in the side of Islam for 500 years" (Southall Gazette 28.07.95). "[B]Urging Muslims to convert 'the heathen', it says: 'Sikh girls are usually slags and usually stupid enough to believe anything you say'. It suggests Muslim girls should let their boyfriends seduce Sikh girls as 'the way forward to the ultimate destruction of the Sikhs'." The leaflet has been widely condemned by both Muslim and Sikh spokesmen. The police are unable to take action as there is no indication as to the authors or distributors of the leaflet. [BMMS July 1995 Vol. III, No. 7, p. 15/16]

[WildWolfdog]

:werd:

forced conversions do happen! there are lots of reports of sikh girls being blackmailed into conversions.

Maybe some are out of their own choice, but forced conversions are happening. The reason why a lot sikhs are so shocked with this current one, is because she is a very chardikala/orthodox strict sikh girl, whom wears a dastaar.

So why are sikh girls being targeted? Why not hindus or christians or budhists etc? Why don't they can't they revert after the guy who made them convert dumps the person (since it's for money). There are a lot of questions. I don't doubt that this sorta stuff has happened but to the extent people are trying to pass it off as (and especially without solid proof, ESPECIALLY without having any way of differentiating between forced conversions and actual conversions) is not true.

[Z4K5T4R]

this has nothing to do with blackmailing or such things...the girl wanted to convert...the parents are ashamed of what she is doing and is making any excuse to cover it...they don't want people talking about them...

my opinion I agree with you there.

How can anyone in this day and age be forced to convert to another religion? You cannot put a gun to someones head and make them - especially if you're such a strict Sikh ( No offence but you don't get alot of strict sikhs around - Gurdwaras seem like a place to chat chics/blokes up or a place of socialism)

This is just a way for the family to hide the ''shame'' their daughter has put upon them.

[di vinci]

:werd:

forced conversions do happen! there are lots of reports of sikh girls being blackmailed into conversions.

Maybe some are out of their own choice, but forced conversions are happening. The reason why a lot sikhs are so shocked with this current one, is because she is a very chardikala/orthodox strict sikh girl, whom wears a dastaar.


wats a dastaar?

[Z4K5T4R]

:werd:

forced conversions do happen! there are lots of reports of sikh girls being blackmailed into conversions.

Maybe some are out of their own choice, but forced conversions are happening. The reason why a lot sikhs are so shocked with this current one, is because she is a very chardikala/orthodox strict sikh girl, whom wears a dastaar.Maybe she realised that Sikhism wasn't for her and Islam was Why is it so hard to believe?

[Rizla]

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrust

Wow, thats the biggest amount of bullshit i've ever heard.

And such strong views from someone who doesnt even live in the UK.

(Slow clap to fade...)

[di vinci]

Exactly, the truth. There was supposed to be a documentary of hindu / sikh conversion that was supposed to come on Panaroma/Dipsatches i think but it got cancelled or maybe delayed, as it would have caused serious uproar around uk.

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Offensive letters in Slough

Sikhs and Muslims in Slough are reported to be outraged at a spate of anonymous letters circulating in the town advising Muslim youths to "convert" Sikh girls by having sex with them. The letter was headed '786 Khilafa' and used highly offensive language. The letter has been condemned by Sikh and Muslim leaders, the police, race relations officers and the mayor. There is no indication as to the origins of the letter but its contents are similar to a leaflet which circulated in Southall (Slough & Langley Express 27.07.95). In the light of the tensions between elements of the Asian community in Slough, 18 prominent Sikh, Muslim and Hindu leaders signed a joint petition asking for a forthcoming Asian Mela to be cancelled in the interest of community relations. They feared that trouble-makers would use it to exploit religious rivalries. The organiser of the mela opposed moves to cancel it saying that it was an idea provoked by political rivalry. The same person was organising the Southall Mela which was cancelled on police advice. The council decided that there was insufficient evidence of impending trouble and so allowed the arrangements to stand (Slough & Langley Observer 28.07.95).

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Sikhs and Muslims in Southall

Police in Southall wrote to the council's licensing committee asking them not to grant a licence for a live concert of bhangra music which was due to take place during the two-day Asian Mela on 8th and 9th July. The reason given was the grave danger of tensions between Sikh and Muslim youths (see BMMS for May and June 1995) leading to an open conflict at the festival. According to the senior police officer's official letter, "One group will attempt to disrupt the other's religious festivals. Weapons are always in evidence and serious injuries have resulted. These conflicts are focused in the Southall area. Our worst fear for further escalation is the death of somebody from either side" (Southall Gazette 30.06.95).

Tensions have been further increased by anonymous leaflets which have been circulating in the area. The leaflets, which have been pushed through letterboxes, are headed "Khilafa" and speak of Sikhs as a "thorn in the side of Islam for 500 years" (Southall Gazette 28.07.95). "[B]Urging Muslims to convert 'the heathen', it says: 'Sikh girls are usually slags and usually stupid enough to believe anything you say'. It suggests Muslim girls should let their boyfriends seduce Sikh girls as 'the way forward to the ultimate destruction of the Sikhs'." The leaflet has been widely condemned by both Muslim and Sikh spokesmen. The police are unable to take action as there is no indication as to the authors or distributors of the leaflet. [BMMS July 1995 Vol. III, No. 7, p. 15/16]


is it me or isnt this article 10 fears fuking old nob jockey

[Z4K5T4R]

Wow, thats the biggest amount of bullshit i've ever heard.

And such strong views from someone who doesnt even live in the UK.

(Slow clap to fade...)
Lol Think of Cunard as the guy sitting in the background who seems to know everthing and follows the Media as a religion.

[The Tush]

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrust

The problems are:
1) Islamic fundamentalism
2) Islamic obsession with organised conversion through any means necessary including brainwashing, drugging, violence, rape, financial, and praying on the weak
3) Lack of Sikh guidance for Sikh youth (pretty much none!)
4) The girl is obviously not too bright ... unfortunately Sikhs (and Muslims) are known for this in India. Hindu's are much brighter generally.
5) Her family was probably quite crappy
6) Oh ... and notice how the muslims ONLY want the girls?! Bunch of horny guys.

But I definitely cannot see her converting because it is the 'one true religion' lol ... I mean ... how many of you have actually read the Koran?! :-)

[di vinci]

Wow, thats the biggest amount of bullshit i've ever heard.

And such strong views from someone who doesnt even live in the UK.

(Slow clap to fade...)
he been around

apprebntly he travels alot in the midsdle east, so he assume he knows wat he talking about

[Space-Cowboy]

:werd:

forced conversions do happen! there are lots of reports of sikh girls being blackmailed into conversions.

Maybe some are out of their own choice, but forced conversions are happening. The reason why a lot sikhs are so shocked with this current one, is because she is a very chardikala/orthodox strict sikh girl, whom wears a dastaar.

It's possible that she chose to convert to Islam.. out of her own free will. People convert in to Islam and convert out of Islam all the time.... as with any religion on earth..

[WildWolfdog]

Tensions have been further increased by anonymous leaflets which have been circulating in the area. The leaflets, which have been pushed through letterboxes, are headed "Khilafa" and speak of Sikhs as a "thorn in the side of Islam for 500 years" (Southall Gazette 28.07.95). "Urging Muslims to convert 'the heathen', it says: 'Sikh girls are usually slags and usually stupid enough to believe anything you say'. It suggests Muslim girls should let their boyfriends seduce Sikh girls as 'the way forward to the ultimate destruction of the Sikhs'." The leaflet has been widely condemned by both Muslim and Sikh spokesmen. The police are unable to take action as there is no indication as to the authors or distributors of the leaflet. [BMMS July 1995 Vol. III, No. 7, p. 15/16]

1) It's not like muslims have some sort of quota they need to fulfill every year and that's why they're paying guys to convert people to Islam.

2) Converting in this manner would be haraam (obviously) and no one who actually wants people to convert to Islam would use this method to bring people to Islam.

3) Contrary to what some of the sikhs may believe, I doubt that muslims view sikhs as a "big obstacle and a thorn in their side which they must rid of any which way and the best way to do this is by fucking around with their girls" - if anything, muslims are allegedly "supposed to be" occupied with hating the jews.

4) They haven't even been able to identify whether the people who are distributing these leaflets are muslims or not - or that they have any sort of authority or say in matters of islam

5) Guys who actually believe they will get paid 5gs (it was supposed to be 10gs from other "informed posters) are probably doing this because they're getting paid to have sex - again, i haven't see proof of this happening, especially to the extent people are saying it's happened - and we don't know if they even get paid etc.

[malkeet]

So why are sikh girls being targeted? Why not hindus or christians or budhists etc? Why don't they can't they revert after the guy who made them convert dumps the person (since it's for money). There are a lot of questions. I don't doubt that this sorta stuff has happened but to the extent people are trying to pass it off as (and especially without solid proof, ESPECIALLY without having any way of differentiating between forced conversions and actual conversions) is not true.

they are targeting hindus and christians too. These are an extremist group, we know the majority of muslims arent like this. But we are not making any of this up. Cases have come forward, and there are muslims wearing karas,using sikh names to try to get with sikh/hindu girls with the hope of converting them. some are even paid by these extremists to do this.

One of my close friends has actually had a guy come up to her in a nightclub in london once, who was wearing a kara, and used some sikh name. Then after a while one of his mates came over who recognised him, and said hi Imran how you been (didnt realise he was pretending to be sikh)
my friend wouldnt make this up. it does happen a lot.

[Z4K5T4R]

The problems are:
1) Islamic fundamentalism
2) Islamic obsession with organised conversion through any means necessary including brainwashing, drugging, violence, rape, financial, and praying on the weak
3) Lack of Sikh guidance for Sikh youth (pretty much none!)
4) The girl is obviously not too bright ... unfortunately Sikhs (and Muslims) are known for this in India. Hindu's are much brighter generally.
5) Her family was probably quite crappy

But I definitely cannot see her converting because it is the 'one true religion' lol ... I mean ... how many of you have actually read the Koran?! :-)
Lol majority of Muslims are brought up to learn to read the Quran and read Arabic fluently. You would be suprised, majority of Muslims know how to pray but just don't pray because of the western life they lead. Muslims are taught alot more than you would know.

[Rcade]

Lol Think of Cunard as the guy sitting in the background who seems to know everthing and follows the Media as a religion.

that guys a hater... he consistently posts negative garbage about muslims

[WildWolfdog]

The problems are:
1) Islamic fundamentalism
2) Islamic obsession with organised conversion through any means necessary including brainwashing, drugging, violence, rape, financial, and praying on the weak
3) Lack of Sikh guidance for Sikh youth (pretty much none!)
4) The girl is obviously not too bright ... unfortunately Sikhs (and Muslims) are known for this in India. Hindu's are much brighter generally.
5) Her family was probably quite crappy
6) Oh ... and notice how the muslims ONLY want the girls?! Bunch of horny guys.

But I definitely cannot see her converting because it is the 'one true religion' lol ... I mean ... how many of you have actually read the Koran?! :-)

Oh noes, I wonder if you might be someone using multiple ids :eek3:

[malkeet]

It's possible that she chose to convert to Islam.. out of her own free will. People convert in to Islam and convert out of Islam all the time.... as with any religion on earth..

This is true. But forced conversions are being reported and have been happening for years. Some people whom are very close to this girl have said how chardikala she was, thats why it doesnt seem like a normal conversion.

And in response to a question by someone else, a dastaar is a turban.

[R.J]

50%.

[poojasxy]

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrustit also affects other desis because of this. they (the white folks) tend to lump all of us into one big brown mess. :(

[punjabipride04]

I don’t dislike Muslims etc, my closest friend at uni is Muslim & I took her to this Sikh Soc talk with me. So she saw, heard everything & saw the sources herself. Unfortunately these conversions happen all year round, it’s a matter of getting to these girls and trying our best to help them. If someone converts for the love of the religion then good for him or her, but if it’s for someone else or forced then I’m totally against it. Here are some examples of what’s happening here in the UK.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/mortarboard/2007/04/are_religious_groups_using_thr.html

http://www.sikh4life.co.uk/

http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/news/s/225/225657_hindu_girls_risking_muslim_honey_trap_claim _forum.html

http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/news/s/225/225657_hindu_girls_risking_muslim_honey_trap_claim _forum.html

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/london/2007/04/368127.html

My best friend knows a girl who was forcefully converted by a Muslim guy through the use of clubbing etc, but after the whole thing she opened her eyes and realised that the guy who claimed to be something else and made out her was Indian to her when really he was muslim. Anyway going on to another factual story (About this girl who’s from a town about 30mins away from mine), I know ppl who are closely working with the girl and her family. It’s been going on for the majority of this year. She met the guy in a club (he was Muslim) & he spiked her drink & then took her back to his room & took naked pictures of her, & then blackmailed her into showing her family. & made her do more things or he threatened her even more to show her family. He posted the clips/pics online (I’m not sure if they have been taken down yet) but it’s cases like this, which are very sickening, but they clearly do happen. It’s about making people aware that these things do exist & to stop young uni girls being oblivious to the whole matter. Anything can happen it’s a matter of being wise and educating one another. There are also leaflets circulating Universities on how to convert young vulnerable Indian University Students. My friend came across one in Birmingham it was rather sick to be honest :no:

Truth is it happens. Not everywhere & anywhere but definitely through Universities. I know of a few more factual stories but I won’t bore you all with them. Like I’ve previously mentioned these girls/people need educating more. What you will find amongst Indian folk is that a lot of them are not educated in Religion from a young age providing they want to follow it, some treat it as a label but don’t know nothing more than the outline. & When another opportunity comes along e.g. Conversion etc…sometimes it’s lack of knowledge in their own religion which makes them easily sway. I absolutely despise the beings that are going around doing these things…but all we can do is look out for each other as well as keeping the peace.

[Space-Cowboy]

Oh noes, I wonder if you might be someone using multiple ids :eek3:
adren@line? :p

[Rizla]

he been around

apprebntly he travels alot in the midsdle east, so he assume he knows wat he talking about


I see in another post he says muslims are walking around the UK with Karas et al.

The thought of that makes me laugh.

Just imagine, Monty Panesar is secretly a Muslim and will use his fame and success in the England cricket team to lure young unsuspecting Sikh girls into converting to Islam.

This Cunard chap should do stand up. Sounds like he's the one thats brainwashed.

[Z4K5T4R]

they are targeting hindus and christians too. These are an extremist group, we know the majority of muslims arent like this. But we are not making any of this up. Cases have come forward, and there are muslims wearing karas,using sikh names to try to get with sikh/hindu girls with the hope of converting them. some are even paid by these extremists to do this.

One of my close friends has actually had a guy come up to her in a nightclub in london once, who was wearing a kara, and used some sikh name. Then after a while one of his mates came over who recognised him, and said hi Imran how you been (didnt realise he was pretending to be sikh)
my friend wouldnt make this up. it does happen a lot.

There aren't alot of Christians plus Islam and Christianity comes from the same root so you can't exactly convert a person from Christianity just like that - where did you get your info from dude?

How many Hindus are really Hindus? None. They're a minority and sorry to burst you're bubble babes but Hinduism hardly exists in Britian or anywhere else because Hindus don't even follow it themself and if one does convert to Islam maybe they found their religion lacked something.

[The Tush]

Lol majority of Muslims are brought up to learn to read the Quran and read Arabic fluently. You would be suprised, majority of Muslims know how to pray but just don't pray because of the western life they lead. Muslims are taught alot more than you would know.

Not many you have ever met? ... you can tell from the things they say. I have actually read the English translation. Not good! lol

[di vinci]

The problems are:
1) Islamic fundamentalism
2) Islamic obsession with organised conversion through any means necessary including brainwashing, drugging, violence, rape, financial, and praying on the weak
3) Lack of Sikh guidance for Sikh youth (pretty much none!)
4) The girl is obviously not too bright ... unfortunately Sikhs (and Muslims) are known for this in India. Hindu's are much brighter generally.
5) Her family was probably quite crappy

But I definitely cannot see her converting because it is the 'one true religion' lol ... I mean ... how many of you have actually read the Koran?! :-)


so why are u blamming your problewms on muslim for, if u cant keep ur youth entertain in their faith. stop pointing the finger towads islam, its our fault.

sikhs

should learn to shun the alcholo on all occasion not say its acceptable outside gudwara hours. real sikhs dont drink or eat meat. which most of your youth does in abundances. u lot need to educated ur kids n stop blamming islam fopr ur own mistakes.

[Z4K5T4R]

This is true. But forced conversions are being reported and have been happening for years. Some people whom are very close to this girl have said how chardikala she was, thats why it doesnt seem like a normal conversion.

And in response to a question by someone else, a dastaar is a turban.
Reported by who? The family? Who maybe ashamed to admit the truth that their daughter has gone against their upbringing? I know of someone that was a Sikh that converted to Islam on their own will and is married now to a Muslim guy so whats the wrong in that?

[Z4K5T4R]

Not many I have ever met? ... you can tell from the things they say. I have actually read the English translation. Not good! lolYou must be in la la land then as far as i am aware dude most Muslims are brought up to learn the Quran - you're either a liar or basing you're theory on one person.

[Space-Cowboy]

This is true. But forced conversions are being reported and have been happening for years. Some people whom are very close to this girl have said how chardikala she was, thats why it doesnt seem like a normal conversion.

And in response to a question by someone else, a dastaar is a turban.


Oh I know, I'm just talking in the general case; saying that people could very easily convert in and out of Islam just like they might with any other religion... :dunno:

[punjabipride04]

So why are sikh girls being targeted? Why not hindus or christians or budhists etc? Why don't they can't they revert after the guy who made them convert dumps the person (since it's for money). There are a lot of questions. I don't doubt that this sorta stuff has happened but to the extent people are trying to pass it off as (and especially without solid proof, ESPECIALLY without having any way of differentiating between forced conversions and actual conversions) is not true.

The conversions through University were aimed at sikh or hindu girls due to them being the ones who mainly club & drink & get pissed. Obviously it's not good but when girls are away from home which are the majority 90% like a good drink & easily get drunk hence the easy persuasion & drink spiking.

[di vinci]

I see in another post he says muslims are walking around the UK with Karas et al.

The thought of that makes me laugh.

Just imagine, Monty Panesar is secretly a Muslim and will use his fame and success in the England cricket team to lure young unsuspecting Sikh girls into converting to Islam.

This Cunard chap should do stand up. Sounds like he's the one thats brainwashed.


lol

just imagine that was true. a muslim wear a karas, dosnt shave his pubes, or armpits n has circumstized penis. i persomally think a muslim will feel quite disqusted with himself. if he was like that

[Z4K5T4R]

The conversions through University were aimed at sikh or hindu girls due to them being the ones who mainly club & drink & get pissed. Obviously it's not good but when girls are away from home which are the majority 90% like a good drink & easily get drunk hence the easy persuasion & drink spiking.
To convert someone to Islam - you can't spiked their drink and say '' I am convetring you to Islam you are a Muslim'' that person has to go through their many things before converting prove themself they can be a Muslim. It's a lifelong thing babe not a one night spiked the drink thing.

[WildWolfdog]

so why are u blamming your problewms on muslim for, if u cant keep ur youth entertain in their faith. stop pointing the finger towads islam, its our fault.

sikhs

should learn to shun the alcholo on all occasion not say its acceptable outside gudwara hours. real sikhs dont drink or eat meat. which most of your youth does in abundances. u lot need to educated ur kids n stop blamming islam fopr ur own mistakes.

Same can be said for muslims and blaming stuff on the jews. You can add "real muslims don't go around and have sex with girls outside of marraige" in the "don't drink or eat haraam" food phrase. Not saying that what you said is wrong lol, just saying our youth needs to start getting straightened out as well.

[thesoldier]

Proof this shit happens

Muslim Extremists Target Students

Sunday 9th October, 2005
Fauja Singh - Panthic Weekly Staff


http://www.panthic.org/gallery/UK/Ruth_Kelly_British%20Education-Secretary.jpg http://www.panthic.org/gallery/UK/oct09/uk_main.jpg

Ruth Kelly, British Education Secretary UK (KP)

A few weeks ago the British Education Secretary Ruth Kelly said that British universities have been told to spy on student activists to prevent the spread of Islamist extremism and terror.
The Education Secretary said that Vice-Chancellors had a duty to inform the police where they believed that students or staff were breaking the law or committing ''possible criminal acts''.
Freedom of speech and thought on campus did not extend to tolerance of unacceptable behaviour, she told the Annual Conference of Universities UK, the body representing vice-chancellors and principals, in London.
''Following the London bomb attacks in July, we are all having to re-examine certain policies. One is not sure how to respond to those misusing the freedom of our society to promote terrorism and violence. Freedom of speech or expression is one of the most fundamental rights that individuals enjoy. And higher education is an amalgamation of those values.'' Ms. Kelly continued, ‘’However, freedom of speech does not mean tolerance of unacceptable behaviour. I believe that higher education institutions need to identify and confront unacceptable behaviour on their premises and within their communities.'’
Universities need to be alert to the activities of student groups and should be unafraid to set their own boundaries about what was acceptable, using the law as support. ''That means informing the police where criminal offences are being perpetrated or where there may be concerns about possible criminal acts,'' Ms Kelly said.
Universities and colleges have a duty to support and look after the moderate majority as they study, to ensure that those students are not harassed, intimidated or pressured, she added.
However university leaders expressed concern at being asked to ''police'' their students but said that they accepted that the terrorist threat could not be ignored. Drummond Bone, the president of UK, said that everyone wanted to make sure that students were not intimidated. He said that universities were revising their advice on extremism and security in the light of the July attacks.
''I don't think any university feels entirely happy about having a policing role over its own members. We are in a difficult situation,'' he said. A dossier prepared by Whitehall officials warned British Prime Minister Tony Blair about a network of ''extremist recruiters'' circulating on campuses, directed at students and people with ''technical and professional'' qualifications. It said, ''Students and young professionals from good backgrounds have also become involved in extremist politics and even terrorism.'' Last month Mr Blair pledged to outlaw the extremist groups Al-Muhajiroun and Hizb ut-Tahrir as part of his response to the London bombings. Al Muhajiroun's founder, the radical cleric Omar Bakri Mohammad, was banned from Britain last month while on holiday in Lebanon. The National Union of Students has already banned both groups from its campus unions, accusing Hizb ut-Tahrir of ''supporting terrorism''. But the Muslim youth organisation has been accused of continuing its recruitment activities under a series of 'front' names. The Federation of Student Islamic Societies has warned that Hizb ut-Tahrir would target ''vulnerable'' students when universities re-opened this month.
A report by the Social Affairs Unit, a right-wing think tank, has warned that some British universities ''may have become, and may still be, safe havens for terrorist ideas and recruits.'' The report by Professor Anthony Glees and Chris Pope, both at Brunel University, named 24 universities ''where extremist and/or terror groups have been detected''.
Islamic societies and Muslim student organisations in universities and colleges have in the past targeted Sikh students in pursuit of converting Sikh girls to Islam. A decade ago the British Organisation of Sikh Students worked with the NUS to ban Islamic fundamentalists from UK university campuses. However, the new news of Muslim extremists infiltrating student organisations and societies in university and college is worrying for the Sikh community.
Sikh Societies have been talking about what they have observed of tactics of Islamic Societies at “fresher fair” approaching people and bombarding with questions and how only Islam is true and everyone else is damned to hell.
With the beginning of the new academic year the ‘fundamentalist Muslims’ issue has come to light once again in universities, with fundamentalist preying upon ignorant Sikhs who know little or nothing about the Sikh faith. Sikh students are bombarded with questions upon questions about Sikhi which is followed up by distorted accounts of Sikh religion.

http://www.panthic.org/gallery/UK/oct09/uk_main.jpg



Other tactics have also been reported in past and Sikh student organisations have received information of numerous accounts of Islamic organisations paying £10,000 plus to Muslims who will convert Sikhs. A notions has been embedded in to Muslims that converting a Sikh into Islam will give there whole family a straight ticket to heaven. On top of the monetarily and afterlife incentive Muslims who have converted someone into there faith seem to be looked highly upon but certain members of community as for fulfilling “there duty.” Numerous methods are being used to convert people from deceiving female students, seducing them and making them pregnant in order to convert them.
Sikh societies and Sikh student organisation should be vigilant of this subtle and direct extreme missionary preaching by Islamic organisations and as a community we should address the issue of many Sikh youngsters being ignorant of the Sikh faith and therefore, vulnerable to dangerous Muslim radicals.

A few weeks ago the British Education Secretary Ruth Kelly said that British universities have been told to spy on student activists to prevent the spread of Islamist extremism and terror. The Education Secretary said that Vice-Chancellors had a duty to inform the police where they believed that students or staff were breaking the law or committing ''possible criminal acts''.

[Space-Cowboy]

There aren't alot of Christians plus Islam and Christianity comes from the same root so you can't exactly convert a person from Christianity just like that - where did you get your info from dude?

How many Hindus are really Hindus? None. They're a minority and sorry to burst you're bubble babes but Hinduism hardly exists in Britian or anywhere else because Hindus don't even follow it themself and if one does convert to Islam maybe they found their religion lacked something.

Don't talk out of your ass based on your perceptions of a probably small community in Britain.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you live in quite a sheltered world.

How bout you go to India and form a real opinion. Better yet, come to Canada, or the States, or even better yet, actually go out and talk to a few Hindus in your own back yard.

[malkeet]

Reported by who? The family? Who maybe ashamed to admit the truth that their daughter has gone against their upbringing? I know of someone that was a Sikh that converted to Islam on their own will and is married now to a Muslim guy so whats the wrong in that?

refer to punjabi prides post. there is nothing wrong with a person deciding to change faith on there own accord. sikhism teaches that all paths lead to the same light!

However, what is wrong is these organisations encouraging/paying muslim guys to target sikhi/hindu girls with the aim of conversion. Drugging/spiking drinks then taking nude pictures, or finding other ways to blackmail are wrong! using fake names, wearing karas these are all wrong!

[Z4K5T4R]

Don't talk out of your ass based on your perceptions of a probably small community in Britain.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you live in quite a sheltered world.

How bout you go to India and form a real opinion. Better yet, come to Canada, or the States, or even better yet, actually go out and talk to a few Hindus in your own back yard.
Yeh dude you can say that again - look at you so easy to stand up for your religion but doesnt take long to point fingers at others *was testing someone like you on this what you can come up with on what i say*

[The Tush]

so why are u blamming your problewms on muslim for, if u cant keep ur youth entertain in their faith. stop pointing the finger towads islam, its our fault.

sikhs

should learn to shun the alcholo on all occasion not say its acceptable outside gudwara hours. real sikhs dont drink or eat meat. which most of your youth does in abundances. u lot need to educated ur kids n stop blamming islam fopr ur own mistakes.

I cannot deny that. As I said ... there is no guidance from the Sikh elders like there is from the Muslim ones. Although to be fair I am not sure the latter can be called guidance? lol

Anyway ... true ... Sikh boys and girls are alcoholics. A lot are not too bright and do actually think it is part of their religion! lol

But also was wondering ... if you really must actively convert and do not trust people will come by themselves ... why is it always the girls that get targetting eh? ... convert a few guys ... don't think muslims want the competition for the ladies though eh? lol

Sad but true

[WildWolfdog]

The conversions through University were aimed at sikh or hindu girls due to them being the ones who mainly club & drink & get pissed. Obviously it's not good but when girls are away from home which are the majority 90% like a good drink & easily get drunk hence the easy persuasion & drink spiking.

Hmm well I read your other post as well (the longer one lol) and I'm sure this sort of stuff does happen. All I'm saying is, that I'm not convinced (yet anyway) that it's on a huge nationwide scale - and also, that if that's how conversions are taking place, they would be shunned right away by proper muslims (even muslims who aren't really practicing muslims). No where in the history of Islam have these sort of conversions taken place and accepted as okay lol.

As for the drinking and clubbing ... well, I don't want to sound like a self-righteous prude, but maybe people should start curbing that and not be so free with everyone and anyone when they're going out to "enjoy" - I'd like to add a shameless islamic plug right about now (there might be a reason drinking isn't allowed in Islam) :kekeke: lol.

[di vinci]

The conversions through University were aimed at sikh or hindu girls due to them being the ones who mainly club & drink & get pissed. Obviously it's not good but when girls are away from home which are the majority 90% like a good drink & easily get drunk hence the easy persuasion & drink spiking.


a real muslim, who practices dosnt like clubbing or going near haram subtances. it going agaisnt the fold of islam.u need to open ur eyes n belive in yourself n wat u been though by ur parents. stop beliving in hear say.

muslim :love: sikhs

[Rcade]

Proof this shit happens

Muslim Extremists Target Students

Sunday 9th October, 2005
Fauja Singh - Panthic Weekly Staff


http://www.panthic.org/gallery/UK/Ruth_Kelly_British%20Education-Secretary.jpg http://www.panthic.org/gallery/UK/oct09/uk_main.jpg

Ruth Kelly, British Education Secretary UK (KP)

A few weeks ago the British Education Secretary Ruth Kelly said that British universities have been told to spy on student activists to prevent the spread of Islamist extremism and terror.
The Education Secretary said that Vice-Chancellors had a duty to inform the police where they believed that students or staff were breaking the law or committing ''possible criminal acts''.
Freedom of speech and thought on campus did not extend to tolerance of unacceptable behaviour, she told the Annual Conference of Universities UK, the body representing vice-chancellors and principals, in London.
''Following the London bomb attacks in July, we are all having to re-examine certain policies. One is not sure how to respond to those misusing the freedom of our society to promote terrorism and violence. Freedom of speech or expression is one of the most fundamental rights that individuals enjoy. And higher education is an amalgamation of those values.'' Ms. Kelly continued, ‘’However, freedom of speech does not mean tolerance of unacceptable behaviour. I believe that higher education institutions need to identify and confront unacceptable behaviour on their premises and within their communities.'’
Universities need to be alert to the activities of student groups and should be unafraid to set their own boundaries about what was acceptable, using the law as support. ''That means informing the police where criminal offences are being perpetrated or where there may be concerns about possible criminal acts,'' Ms Kelly said.
Universities and colleges have a duty to support and look after the moderate majority as they study, to ensure that those students are not harassed, intimidated or pressured, she added.
However university leaders expressed concern at being asked to ''police'' their students but said that they accepted that the terrorist threat could not be ignored. Drummond Bone, the president of UK, said that everyone wanted to make sure that students were not intimidated. He said that universities were revising their advice on extremism and security in the light of the July attacks.
''I don't think any university feels entirely happy about having a policing role over its own members. We are in a difficult situation,'' he said. A dossier prepared by Whitehall officials warned British Prime Minister Tony Blair about a network of ''extremist recruiters'' circulating on campuses, directed at students and people with ''technical and professional'' qualifications. It said, ''Students and young professionals from good backgrounds have also become involved in extremist politics and even terrorism.'' Last month Mr Blair pledged to outlaw the extremist groups Al-Muhajiroun and Hizb ut-Tahrir as part of his response to the London bombings. Al Muhajiroun's founder, the radical cleric Omar Bakri Mohammad, was banned from Britain last month while on holiday in Lebanon. The National Union of Students has already banned both groups from its campus unions, accusing Hizb ut-Tahrir of ''supporting terrorism''. But the Muslim youth organisation has been accused of continuing its recruitment activities under a series of 'front' names. The Federation of Student Islamic Societies has warned that Hizb ut-Tahrir would target ''vulnerable'' students when universities re-opened this month.
A report by the Social Affairs Unit, a right-wing think tank, has warned that some British universities ''may have become, and may still be, safe havens for terrorist ideas and recruits.'' The report by Professor Anthony Glees and Chris Pope, both at Brunel University, named 24 universities ''where extremist and/or terror groups have been detected''.
Islamic societies and Muslim student organisations in universities and colleges have in the past targeted Sikh students in pursuit of converting Sikh girls to Islam. A decade ago the British Organisation of Sikh Students worked with the NUS to ban Islamic fundamentalists from UK university campuses. However, the new news of Muslim extremists infiltrating student organisations and societies in university and college is worrying for the Sikh community.
Sikh Societies have been talking about what they have observed of tactics of Islamic Societies at “fresher fair” approaching people and bombarding with questions and how only Islam is true and everyone else is damned to hell.
With the beginning of the new academic year the ‘fundamentalist Muslims’ issue has come to light once again in universities, with fundamentalist preying upon ignorant Sikhs who know little or nothing about the Sikh faith. Sikh students are bombarded with questions upon questions about Sikhi which is followed up by distorted accounts of Sikh religion.

http://www.panthic.org/gallery/UK/oct09/uk_main.jpg



Other tactics have also been reported in past and Sikh student organisations have received information of numerous accounts of Islamic organisations paying £10,000 plus to Muslims who will convert Sikhs. A notions has been embedded in to Muslims that converting a Sikh into Islam will give there whole family a straight ticket to heaven. On top of the monetarily and afterlife incentive Muslims who have converted someone into there faith seem to be looked highly upon but certain members of community as for fulfilling “there duty.” Numerous methods are being used to convert people from deceiving female students, seducing them and making them pregnant in order to convert them.
Sikh societies and Sikh student organisation should be vigilant of this subtle and direct extreme missionary preaching by Islamic organisations and as a community we should address the issue of many Sikh youngsters being ignorant of the Sikh faith and therefore, vulnerable to dangerous Muslim radicals.

A few weeks ago the British Education Secretary Ruth Kelly said that British universities have been told to spy on student activists to prevent the spread of Islamist extremism and terror. The Education Secretary said that Vice-Chancellors had a duty to inform the police where they believed that students or staff were breaking the law or committing ''possible criminal acts''.

^^ are u kidding me??
impregnating and then asking them to convert?
either their sources are effed up....or there is a version of islam out there im not aware of

[punjabipride04]

To convert someone to Islam - you can't spiked their drink and say '' I am convetring you to Islam you are a Muslim'' that person has to go through their many things before converting prove themself they can be a Muslim. It's a lifelong thing babe not a one night spiked the drink thing.
stfu, obviously it's not a one night thing, Do you know any of these girls no? Have you met any no? Have I or close friend of mine yes! They fall in love etc (with the whole I love you babe crap) & then the guy will say if you love me convert for me etc etc...some have and they haven't converted back, some realise they are making a mistake & confide in someone b4 hand. Some girls stray away from there friends & start putting all their time & effort into these guys not realising what they are doing. You didn't see the tears of the presentation/talks/ppl who are making kids aware of all these issues..It surely sent a tear down most ppl's eyes who I know of. But I can't be bothered to explain it to narrow minded ppl like yourself. My closest friends at Uni are muslim they know it happens & totally disagree with it. It's not all muslims you numb nut it's a group...and they lay within societies at Uni or word gets around undercover. I've had a guy who pretended he was Indian once so :arrow: & another friend of mine got pestered by some guy through emails at Uni (In Bham) Until she searched the data base for his email & the name came up along side it, as his name wasn't contained int he email.

[WildWolfdog]

adren@line? :p

lol nah, not his style.

[Space-Cowboy]

Yeh dude you can say that again - look at you so easy to stand up for your religion but doesnt take long to point fingers at others *was testing someone like you on this what you can come up with on what i say*


Umm... What the bloody fuck are you on about? Where did I point fingers? You made a statement that was ill informed, and quite rightly, ignorant, and I corrected you, that's about it. If you can't deal with the fact that others call you out for making idiotic generalizations, all the while knowing nothing about the worldwide Hindu community, then you shouldn't be posting in this thread. :idea:

[desi_uk]

UK has a massive militant islamic population hell bent on conversions....everytime they get one they flaunt it all over....which again goes on to show why the UK's muslims population isnt well liked at all....instead of concentrating on improving the lives of fellow muslims in the UK they seem more interested in creating boundaries and distrust
oh do they says who, you? dont make me laff

[di vinci]

I cannot deny that. As I said ... there is no guidance from the Sikh elders like there is from the Muslim ones. Although to be fair I am not sure the latter can be called guidance? lol

Anyway ... true ... Sikh boys and girls are alcoholics. A lot are not too bright and do actually think it is part of their religion! lol

But also was wondering ... if you really must actively convert and do not trust people will come by themselves ... why is it always the girls that get targetting eh? ... convert a few guys ... don't think muslims want the competition for the ladies though eh? lol

Sad but true

most (99.9%)muslim women, find having hairy pubes and armpits a turn off. on men. so it cancel out the sikh guys. :kekeke:

it u really convert today the mullah down my mosque has promise me a house, if i convert four more people this year? wat do u think???

[poetichustla]

this Isn't A Fucking Hate Thread You Faggets. Stop Trying To Hate On Religons.

[thesoldier]

a real muslim, who practices dosnt like clubbing or going near haram subtances. it going agaisnt the fold of islam.u need to open ur eyes n belive in yourself n wat u been though by ur parents. stop beliving in hear say.

muslim :love: sikhs


Mulsims want to convert other religions to islam as its the easy way out for them, because once u conert someone, u will automatically go to paradise.
That is why they do it.

And my second point is as sikhs caused the down fall of the mogul empire under Aurangzeb. Muslims especially in the uk want to convert sikh girls, for us fighting and stopping their unlawful rule in india. They hate us simply put.

I wil make a thread on why they hate sikhs

Muslims are jealous and hate sikhs end of

[Rcade]

stfu, obviously it's not a one night thing, Do you know any of these girls no? Have you met any no? Have I or close friend of mine yes! They fall in love etc (with the whole I love you babe crap) & then the guy will say if you love me convert for me etc etc...some have and they haven't converted back, some realise they are making a mistake & confide in someone b4 hand. Some girls stray away from there friends & start putting all their time & effort into these guys not realising what they are doing. You didn't see the tears of the presentation/talks/ppl who are making kids aware of all these issues..It surely sent a tear down most ppl's eyes who I know of. But I can't be bothered to explain it to narrow minded ppl like yourself. My closest friends at Uni are muslim they know it happens & totally disagree with it. It's not all muslims you numb nut it's a group...and they lay within societies at Uni or word gets around undercover. I've had a guy who pretended he was Indian once so :arrow: & another friend of mine got pestered by some guy through emails at Uni (In Bham) Until she searched the data base for his email & the name came up along side it, as his name wasn't contained int he email.

the girl is equally to blame then....if she is that weak and falls for the i love u babe crap

[malkeet]

stfu, obviously it's not a one night thing, Do you know any of these girls no? Have you met any no? Have I or close friend of mine yes! They fall in love etc (with the whole I love you babe crap) & then the guy will say if you love me convert for me etc etc...some have and they haven't converted back, some realise they are making a mistake & confide in someone b4 hand. Some girls stray away from there friends & start putting all their time & effort into these guys not realising what they are doing. You didn't see the tears of the presentation/talks/ppl who are making kids aware of all these issues..It surely sent a tear down most ppl's eyes who I know of. But I can't be bothered to explain it to narrow minded ppl like yourself. My closest friends at Uni are muslim they know it happens & totally disagree with it. It's not all muslims you numb nut it's a group...and they lay within societies at Uni or word gets around undercover. I've had a guy who pretended he was Indian once so :arrow: & another friend of mine got pestered by some guy through emails at Uni (In Bham) Until she searched the data base for his email & the name came up along side it, as his name wasn't contained int he email.

i wouldnt be suprised if some of these guys posting are working for these organisations :p they seem to want to defend them. We arent accusing the whole of islam, just these organisations. Both of us know people whos lives have been affected and experienced blackmail/forced conversions

[desi_uk]

i wouldnt be suprised if some of these guys posting are working for these organisations :p they seem to want to defend them. We arent accusing the whole of islam, just these organisations. Both of us know people whos lives have been affected and experienced blackmail/forced conversions
more like that fact that a skh girl has chosen Islam is too much to handle for some of you Sikhs coz u have that much hate for us

[Rizla]

Mulsims want to convert other religions to islam as its the easy way out for them, because once u conert someone, u will automatically go to paradise.
That is why they do it.

And my second point is as sikhs caused the fall down of the mogul empire, under Aurangzeb, Muslims especially in the uk want to convert sikh girls, for us fighting and stopping their unlawful rule in india.

Muslims are jealous and hate sikhs

Please stop, you're an embarrassment to all decent Sikhs.

[Space-Cowboy]

lol nah, not his style.


Hmm.... how bout that 'rishi-tex' guy that used to troll these forums. :sarb: :p

[Z4K5T4R]

stfu, obviously it's not a one night thing, Do you know any of these girls no? Have you met any no? Have I or close friend of mine yes! They fall in love etc (with the whole I love you babe crap) & then the guy will say if you love me convert for me etc etc...some have and they haven't converted back, some realise they are making a mistake & confide in someone b4 hand. Some girls stray away from there friends & start putting all their time & effort into these guys not realising what they are doing. You didn't see the tears of the presentation/talks/ppl who are making kids aware of all these issues..It surely sent a tear down most ppl's eyes who I know of. But I can't be bothered to explain it to narrow minded ppl like yourself. My closest friends at Uni are muslim they know it happens & totally disagree with it. It's not all muslims you numb nut it's a group...and they lay within societies at Uni or word gets around undercover. I've had a guy who pretended he was Indian once so :arrow: & another friend of mine got pestered by some guy through emails at Uni (In Bham) Until she searched the data base for his email & the name came up along side it, as his name wasn't contained int he email.Blah blah blah obviously these girls are ever so gullible or don't have a life to follow and just naive lil kids themself. They should know beforehand a Muslim doesn't convert to other religions and would want you to convert to Islam and yes i do know of many converted Muslims and mostly because of blokes they convert but with their choice and not with a gun pointed to their head.

If you have stupid friends - why don't you just tell them their stupid and naive and deserve a smack round the face?

[WildWolfdog]

^^ are u kidding me??
impregnating and then asking them to convert?
either their sources are effed up....or there is a version of islam out there im not aware of

Yeah, if these guys really call themselves muslims after using this form of conversion techniques, they aren't in the fold of Islam anymore, imo.

Mulsims want to convert other religions to islam as its the easy way out for them, because once u conert someone, u will automatically go to paradise.
That is why they do it.

And my second point is as sikhs caused the fall down of the mogul empire, under Aurangzeb, Muslims especially in the uk want to convert sikh girls, for us fighting and stopping their unlawful rule in india.

Muslims are jealous and hate sikhs

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[di vinci]

refer to punjabi prides post. there is nothing wrong with a person deciding to change faith on there own accord. sikhism teaches that all paths lead to the same light!

However, what is wrong is these organisations encouraging/paying muslim guys to target sikhi/hindu girls with the aim of conversion. Drugging/spiking drinks then taking nude pictures, or finding other ways to blackmail are wrong! using fake names, wearing karas these are all wrong!


have u seen it happen with ur own eyes n ears. people say alot of shit. but if u havnt seen it first sight u cant say it happens like that.


its like the media say every muslim knows a al-qeada operative in the uk.

[The Tush]

most (99.9%)muslim women, find having hairy pubes and armpits a turn off. on men. so it cancel out the sikh guys. :kekeke:

it u really convert today the mullah down my mosque has promise me a house, if i convert four more people this year? wat do u think???

Haha ... you mean most muslim men never hit puberty??!! ... that explains a lot lol

To be honest the latter sentence is very funny but not far off. How many virgins? ... if you believe 'the book' lol ... it's quite an effective incentive for the suicidally dim :-)

4 more is do-able ... just go to a gudhwara and ask around. Most of them don't know why they are there lol

[malkeet]

more like that fact that a skh girl has chosen Islam is too much to handle for some of you Sikhs coz u have that much hate for us

oh my days, my best mate through school was muslim. and one of my closest uni mates is muslim. My sikhi teaches me to be tollerant of all religions. I have nothing against islam!,just these extremist organisations whom encourage muslim guys to use fake names/wear karas/drug/take dodgy pictures/blackmail sikh and hindu girls.

Do all of you agree with these extremists? Do you think it is right to lie to someone so that you can convert them?

[punjabipride04]

Hmm well I read your other post as well (the longer one lol) and I'm sure this sort of stuff does happen. All I'm saying is, that I'm not convinced (yet anyway) that it's on a huge nationwide scale - and also, that if that's how conversions are taking place, they would be shunned right away by proper muslims (even muslims who aren't really practicing muslims). No where in the history of Islam have these sort of conversions taken place and accepted as okay lol.

As for the drinking and clubbing ... well, I don't want to sound like a self-righteous prude, but maybe people should start curbing that and not be so free with everyone and anyone when they're going out to "enjoy" - I'd like to add a shameless islamic plug right about now (there might be a reason drinking isn't allowed in Islam) :kekeke: lol.

You know something it's not totally the guys fault it's the girls as well, for drinking wearing stupid little skirts and providing the attention in the first place…It take two to tango…BUT can I say right now.

DRINKING/SMOKING & ANY FORM OF INTOXICATION ARE FORBIDDEN IN SIKHI!!!!!!!!!!
But due to the large drinking culture in the UK amongst Indian folk ppl naturally assume that we all drink. I've never drunk smoke or clubbed, but I've come across or heard about girls who are closely connected within this whole problem area. So that's why it's truly hit me in that sense. But as I keep saying my closest friends at uni are Muslim, so I'm not trying to talk about the majority it's a minority. But arghhhhhhhhhhh drinking pisses me off big time! Why ppl do it I’ve not got a clue, but many uni girls who do so have lived sheltered lives b4 hand and feel like doing anything and everything when they get to Uni. It's rare to come across ppl who don't involve themselves in the whole night scene. *sigh oh well, I just hope that whatever gets better in due time.

[Space-Cowboy]

Blah blah blah obviously these girls are ever so gullible or don't have a life to follow and just naive lil kids themself. They should know beforehand a Muslim doesn't convert to other religions and would want you to convert to Islam and yes i do know of many converted Muslims and mostly because of blokes they convert but with their choice and not with a gun pointed to their head.

If you have stupid friends - why don't you just tell them their stupid and naive and deserve a smack round the face?

You're pretty naive yourself if you think that this doesn't happen.

[Rcade]

Mulsims want to convert other religions to islam as its the easy way out for them, because once u conert someone, u will automatically go to paradise.
That is why they do it.

And my second point is as sikhs caused the fall down of the mogul empire, under Aurangzeb, Muslims especially in the uk want to convert sikh girls, for us fighting and stopping their unlawful rule in india.

Muslims are jealous and hate sikhs

:p

where do u ppl come up with these thoughts?

[Z4K5T4R]

Mulsims want to convert other religions to islam as its the easy way out for them, because once u conert someone, u will automatically go to paradise.
That is why they do it.

And my second point is as sikhs caused the fall down of the mogul empire, under Aurangzeb, Muslims especially in the uk want to convert sikh girls, for us fighting and stopping their unlawful rule in india.

Muslims are jealous and hate sikhsSikhs are a minority babes Islam is all around all colours and race. Whats there to be jealous of Sikhism? The religion itself has only been around for 400-500 years compared to others and hasn't spread worldwide, its just minority babes, don't hate if a fellow Sikh wants to convert to your enemys religion

[Rizla]

i wouldnt be suprised if some of these guys posting are working for these organisations :p they seem to want to defend them. We arent accusing the whole of islam, just these organisations. Both of us know people whos lives have been affected and experienced blackmail/forced conversions

Yeah i'm one of them. It's minimum wage, but you do get a free Luncheon Vouchers. Aiiight.

[WildWolfdog]

Blah blah blah obviously these girls are ever so gullible or don't have a life to follow and just naive lil kids themself. They should know beforehand a Muslim doesn't convert to other religions and would want you to convert to Islam and yes i do know of many converted Muslims and mostly because of blokes they convert but with their choice and not with a gun pointed to their head.

If you have stupid friends - why don't you just tell them their stupid and naive and deserve a smack round the face?

I think you're being way too harsh (considering that a lot of intelligent girls fall for "bad guys" all the time regardless of religion) etc. And the way you're arguing, I doubt anyone is really going to take you seriously, and if nothing else, it will only strengthen one's argument that muslims only believe what they want to believe and can't think logically.

[desi_uk]

oh my days, my best mate through school was muslim. and one of my closest uni mates is muslim. My sikhi teaches me to be tollerant of all religions. I have nothing against islam!,just these extremist organisations whom encourage muslim guys to use fake names/wear karas/drug/take dodgy pictures/blackmail sikh and hindu girls.

Do all of you agree with these extremists? Do you think it is right to lie to someone so that you can convert them?
but there is no evidence of this just assumptions

[Z4K5T4R]

You're pretty naive yourself if you think that this doesn't happen.Give me an example. How often do you hear of this?

[punjabipride04]

the girl is equally to blame then....if she is that weak and falls for the i love u babe crap
:werd: I agree with that, they aren't intelligent folk to start with, most Uni kids are narrowminded and VERY EASILY SWAYED..

[Space-Cowboy]

I think you're being way too harsh (considering that a lot of intelligent girls fall for "bad guys" all the time regardless of religion) etc. And the way you're arguing, I doubt anyone is really going to take you seriously, and if nothing else, it will only strengthen one's argument that muslims only believe what they want to believe and can't think logically.

WWD for mod! :cheers:

[di vinci]

Mulsims want to convert other religions to islam as its the easy way out for them, because once u conert someone, u will automatically go to paradise.
That is why they do it.

And my second point is as sikhs caused the down fall of the mogul empire under Aurangzeb. Muslims especially in the uk want to convert sikh girls, for us fighting and stopping their unlawful rule in india. They hate us simply put.

I wil make a thread on why they hate sikhs

Muslims are jealous and hate sikhs end of


why, i dont think majority of the muslim youth in th uk give a fuk who aurangzeb was. most muslim are from the villages in pakistan. so hisory lesson on them are a total miss. muslim sdont hate sikh as much as u claim. i dont even. a person needs to accept islam with a pure heart not a threaten heart. it a lie, that if a muslim converts a non beliver he goes to heaven. he actuaslly wins a M3

[punjabipride04]

i wouldnt be suprised if some of these guys posting are working for these organisations :p they seem to want to defend them. We arent accusing the whole of islam, just these organisations. Both of us know people whos lives have been affected and experienced blackmail/forced conversions
I need an e-hug right now mate :hug: arghhhhhhhhh

[ptrehan]

Sikhs are a minority babes Islam is all around all colours and race. Whats there to be jealous of Sikhism? The religion itself has only been around for 400-500 years compared to others and hasn't spread worldwide, its just minority babes, don't hate if a fellow Sikh wants to convert to your enemys religion

thats narrow-minded, there are many sikhs of non-punjabi backgrounds.

[malkeet]

have u seen it happen with ur own eyes n ears. people say alot of shit. but if u havnt seen it first sight u cant say it happens like that.


its like the media say every muslim knows a al-qeada operative in the uk.

how can i see it happen with my own eyes, last time i checked i am a sikh guy. they are targeting sikh girls, not sikh guys (well i dont think :sarb: )

Like i said in a previous post, one of my close female friends, has had a guy chat her up in a niteclub in london,whom was wearing a kara and used a sikh name. Then somebody recognised that guy, one of his mates and walks over and says hi Imran, how are you.

Other friends have told me similar things

[thesoldier]

Yeah, if these guys really call themselves muslims after using this form of conversion techniques, they aren't in the fold of Islam anymore, imo.



Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite :rofl: :rofl :rofl:


U fool aint even from the UK, so fuk off, u aint a clue

Read about the khalifa organisation 786 and what they stood for. and why the Uk government banned them from organising conversion days.
Just google it u sullah :D

One question, why do u lot cut the penis ??? lol
Coz its not certainly for hygiene purposes, but because mohmad himself, had an affair and his wife cut it ??? am i not right?

No flaming intened


Im off now, gudnite, Sat Sri Akaal,

Raaj Karega Khalsa, akhi rai na koii, Khavaar (the bad) sabd (will all), marengay (its not milengay- know the truth :) ) bachey sharan jo hoe.

[WildWolfdog]

Yeah i'm one of them. It's minimum wage, but you do get a free Luncheon Vouchers. Aiiight.

Ha, you're still working minimum wage? I guess you haven't reached 30 ($150,000 btw if each is 5000 - our area we get 7000/per) conversions yet - it's an automatic raise and you get to pick your own working hours.

[desi_uk]

why, i dont think majority of the muslim youth in th uk give a fuk who aurangzeb was. most muslim are from the villages in pakistan. so hisory lesson on them are a total miss. muslim sdont hate sikh as much as u claim. i dont even. a person needs to accept islam with a pure heart not a threaten heart. it a lie, that if a muslim converts a non beliver he goes to heaven. he actuaslly wins a M3
werd up no one gives a shit they just wanna live their lives in peace

[WildWolfdog]

U fool aint even from the UK, so fuk off, u aint a clue

Read about the khalifa organisation 786 and what they stood for. and why the Uk government banned them from organising conversion days.
Just google it u sullah :D

One question, why do u lot cut the penis ??? lol
Coz its not certainly for hygiene purposes, but because mohmad himself, had an affair and his wife cut it ??? am i not right?

No flaming intened

You know what, asshole. I'm going to report you now for continously making flame posts - and get you banned.

[punjabipride04]

Blah blah blah obviously these girls are ever so gullible or don't have a life to follow and just naive lil kids themself. They should know beforehand a Muslim doesn't convert to other religions and would want you to convert to Islam and yes i do know of many converted Muslims and mostly because of blokes they convert but with their choice and not with a gun pointed to their head.

If you have stupid friends - why don't you just tell them their stupid and naive and deserve a smack round the face?
Because when girls fall in love they have this stupid disease where by they start to ignore their friends & put them after their bf's etc...I'm sure that's a pretty common thing to do. & when you try to listen to folk & try to advise or help them they are more likely to turn to away at the start then when things fall too deep they are too scared to come out of their little boxes & then it becomes too late. Desi girls are fricking dumb when it comes to guys. They like to make mistakes rather than learn from others or prevent making them.

[desi_uk]

U fool aint even from the UK, so fuk off, u aint a clue

Read about the khalifa organisation 786 and what they stood for. and why the Uk government banned them from organising conversion days.
Just google it u sullah :D

One question, why do u lot cut the penis ??? lol
Coz its not certainly for hygiene purposes, but because mohmad himself, had an affair and his wife cut it ??? am i not right?

No flaming intened
its for hygeine puposes you dimwit i think you need to be banned

[Space-Cowboy]

Give me an example. How often do you hear of this?

"Often" or "seldom" wasn't the operative word you used.... you said 'never'. And there's been quite a few. Some very famous ones include guys like Rushdie who have left Islam... [not that I like the guy, but that's not the point]. Another semi-famous one, although I can't remember his name, a famous Indian singer/artist converted from Islam to Hinduism a while back.


Anyway, the point is, regardless of how seldom it happens.... the fact is it still happens, so 'never' isn't right.

[ptrehan]

U fool aint even from the UK, so fuk off, u aint a clue

Read about the khalifa organisation 786 and what they stood for. and why the Uk government banned them from organising conversion days.
Just google it u sullah :D

One question, why do u lot cut the penis ??? lol
Coz its not certainly for hygiene purposes, but because mohmad himself, had an affair and his wife cut it ??? am i not right?

No flaming intened


It was a Jewish practice and before than an Egyptian practice. The world "Amen" is Egyptian too. Its funny how many Abrahamaic religious practices come from pagan practices.

[punjabipride04]

have u seen it happen with ur own eyes n ears. people say alot of shit. but if u havnt seen it first sight u cant say it happens like that.


its like the media say every muslim knows a al-qeada operative in the uk.
I'm talking about real life situations within my University and areas surrounding I hadn't even seen much of the media evidence until later. I saw and heard real life situations b4 hearing it from the media.

[Rizla]

Ha, you're still working minimum wage? I guess you haven't reached 30 ($150,000 btw if each is 5000 - our area we get 7/per) conversions yet - it's an automatic raise and you get to pick your own working hours.

Oh serious, nice.

I think i may complain to the National Association for Islamic Converters and inform them of the difference in working standards and commission between here and Canada.

[malkeet]

but there is no evidence of this just assumptions

there is evidence fool, read that news article someone posted. There are fliers which have been distributed and passed on to sikhs, Kaur to Khan fliers. I have seen one on the notice board in my gurdwara.

We all know people whom are being targeted like ive said in my other posts, i have friends who have been targeted, as does punjabi pride

just stop being so ignorant and stop defending these extremist organisations.

[J_xlnc786]

Go F. URSELF........

OHH LOST ONE, PLEASE READ FURTHER the truth


http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/


;) no hard feelings
go fuck urself

[thesoldier]

You know what, asshole. I'm going to report you now for continously making flame posts - and get you banned.

:D

Ohh hurt are we, for someone that does not even live in UK and thinks he knows it all and is easily to defend islam, without knowing what goes on..


I asked a question to u ? and did not intend to offend (so i can not be put down as flaming or being racist)

Search on Sikhism, because i dont think u know anything about our religion.
:)

[di vinci]

Haha ... you mean most muslim men never hit puberty??!! ... that explains a lot lol

To be honest the latter sentence is very funny but not far off. How many virgins? ... if you believe 'the book' lol ... it's quite an effective incentive for the suicidally dim :-)

4 more is do-able ... just go to a gudhwara and ask around. Most of them don't know why they are there lol

lets do this you find four ppl for me, we get the free house rent it out n 5 years flog it off n go 50/50

wat do you think. do able.

as with sikhism, there are rules that need to follw. as every one kbnows islam, literally got a rule for everything from washing ur hands to stepping outside ur own house. rules must be follwed. you should never decieve people for an ulterio motive which is totally forbidden in islam. if these things do happen. they r decieving god, god knows everything

[Rizla]

Same old story on RD...

Yawn.

[desi_uk]

there is evidence fool, read that news article someone posted. There are fliers which have been distributed and passed on to sikhs, Kaur to Khan fliers. I have seen one on the notice board in my gurdwara.

We all know people whom are being targeted like ive said in my other posts, i have friends who have been targeted, as does punjabi pride

just stop being so ignorant and stop defending these extremist organisations.
so theres a news article it must be true there may be organisations like this im not denying that but there is not FACTUAL evidence that this girl was forced to convert, for all we know she wants to out of her own will. But what amazes me is the fact that how the sikh community have made such a big thing about this based upon assumptions and no evidence.

[WildWolfdog]

:D

Ohh hurt are we, for someone that does not even live in UK and thinks he knows it all and is easily to defend islam, without knowing what goes on..

I asked a question to u ? and did not intend to offend (so i can not be put down as flaming or being racist)

Search on Sikhism, because i dont think u know anything about our religion.
:)

Yeah arrite newbie, you wish I'll get into a long drawn out flame-fest with you. Hope you enjoyed your stay :wavey:

[jus_me]

:lol: i bet its the same story that has been circulating for the past 4 million years.

an amritdhari girl converts to being a muslim.

why do people who arent even involved get so heated about such a matter?

if she wants to convert she can do, why do some of you need to satisfy yourselves that the only she changed was because islam is the better religion or because muslims forced her to change.

live and let live.

[Rcade]

how can i see it happen with my own eyes, last time i checked i am a sikh guy. they are targeting sikh girls, not sikh guys (well i dont think :sarb: )

Like i said in a previous post, one of my close female friends, has had a guy chat her up in a niteclub in london,whom was wearing a kara and used a sikh name. Then somebody recognised that guy, one of his mates and walks over and says hi Imran, how are you.

Other friends have told me similar things

i find that very odd...you can't convert someone through deception....that's not islam, and that's why it seems odd, because i dont understand the motivation behind it....doesn't make sense unless it's all made up/ hearsay

[thesoldier]

go fuck urself

There are thousands and thousand of Ex muslims that are leaving islam with the knowledge from that website...

Why dont u say that to them :)

Or better still ask them why they are leaving??


:dance3:

note: i am not racist nor do i intend to cause uproar in here.

Lets all wait for further news on the topic of why this girl converted or got forced, more news in the comming days will shed light on the situation.

:)

[FatGeezer]

WTF !!!! :mad:

Brainwashed or forcefully converted i say.


watch?v=EMxA3buFxtg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMxA3buFxtg


"Why she's not contacting home?" Chances are cos she'll get the fook kicked out of her. For goodness sake going with axes and threatening to burn down someones house is no way of trying to get your kin back.

The reason the family cant understand why this is happened is typical of desis. You see "muslim" kids rebelling all the time and acting like dickheads and dealing drugs etc and when they get caught the parents usual response is "I dont understand why he/she would do this". Bottom line, desis always want to blame others instead of looking at themselves first and seeing if the blame lies with them for being irresponsible or incompetent parents.

[foreverconfused]

Give me an example. How often do you hear of this?

I'm pretty sure the practice of killing Muslim apostates has something to do with that.

[jus_me]

"Why she's not contacting home?" Chances are cos she'll get the fook kicked out of her. For goodness sake going with axes and threatening to burn down someones house is no way of trying to get your kin back.

The reason the family cant understand why this is happened is typical of desis. You see "muslim" kids rebelling all the time and acting like dickheads and dealing drugs etc and when they get caught the parents usual response is "I dont understand why he/she would do this". Bottom line, desis always want to blame others instead of looking at themselves first and seeing if the blame lies with them for being irresponsible or incompetent parents.

:werd:

[desi_uk]

I never knew how much racism there was within the desi community until i came on here and we wonder why and how the Brits ruled us, we never stick together we just bikker and fight over bullshit whilst the west goes on to rule the world we stay in the slums fighting and quarrling over religion, cast and borders.

[di vinci]

how can i see it happen with my own eyes, last time i checked i am a sikh guy. they are targeting sikh girls, not sikh guys (well i dont think :sarb: )

Like i said in a previous post, one of my close female friends, has had a guy chat her up in a niteclub in london,whom was wearing a kara and used a sikh name. Then somebody recognised that guy, one of his mates and walks over and says hi Imran, how are you.

Other friends have told me similar things
very suspicous

its like saying a really religious sikh goes clubing and drinking, for me it hard to belive. i personally think it it is a such a problem why dont u talk to a muslim body n disgust this with them. (no not al-qeada mizz jatti :slap:)

i [personally think its a plot by the BNP to seperate us colour folks in hating each other.

[Rcade]

"Why she's not contacting home?" Chances are cos she'll get the fook kicked out of her. For goodness sake going with axes and threatening to burn down someones house is no way of trying to get your kin back.

The reason the family cant understand why this is happened is typical of desis. You see "muslim" kids rebelling all the time and acting like dickheads and dealing drugs etc and when they get caught the parents usual response is "I dont understand why he/she would do this". Bottom line, desis always want to blame others instead of looking at themselves first and seeing if the blame lies with them for being irresponsible or incompetent parents.

:werd:

[Lord_Dirty]

i find that very odd...you can't convert someone through deception....that's not islam, and that's why it seems odd, because i dont understand the motivation behind it....doesn't make sense unless it's all made up/ hearsay

exactly

its not islam

yet some of you are here are defending these organizations like they are your chachay.

"theres no proof theres no proof"

PP04 posted links to dozens of eye-witness accounts of these Kaur to Khan stories

at first i did not care about the video, it's her life, but the fact that the lot of you can't even go "okay yes, we have some bad apples that are making a negative impact on our religion" but choose to act like it doesn't exist, is making me sick

its making me wanna put on CNN and see some new footage from the middle-east.

fuckers.

[desi_uk]

:lol: i bet its the same story that has been circulating for the past 4 million years.

an amritdhari girl converts to being a muslim.

why do people who arent even involved get so heated about such a matter?

if she wants to convert she can do, why do some of you need to satisfy yourselves that the only she changed was because islam is the better religion or because muslims forced her to change.

live and let live.
coz some people hate and they dont know why they hate except of what their grandfathers and parents have taught them so they carry on and this rage

[FatGeezer]

:D

Ohh hurt are we, for someone that does not even live in UK and thinks he knows it all and is easily to defend islam, without knowing what goes on..


I asked a question to u ? and did not intend to offend (so i can not be put down as flaming or being racist)

Search on Sikhism, because i dont think u know anything about our religion.
:)
errr....i'm aware of the biggest terrorism act on canadian cause by non other than your local freindly neighbourly.......

ASK A STUPID QUESTION AND YOURE GONNA GET A STUPID ANSWER. People like you should concentrate more on the positives of what you beleive in instead of criticising the negativeness in others. Positive and negative - thats the fact of man, not a religion or culture or philosophy or beleif, no,, MANKIND. You'll find it'll probably make you a far better person in the views of others.

[Space-Cowboy]

I never knew how much racism there was within the desi community until i came on here and we wonder why and how the Brits ruled us, we never stick together we just bikker and fight over bullshit whilst the west goes on to rule the world we stay in the slums fighting and quarrling over religion, cast and borders.

Eh? It's not a feature of Desis only.. Go to any general region of the world, there's bickering of the same sort anywhere you go... It's a human problem.

[malkeet]

i find that very odd...you can't convert someone through deception....that's not islam, and that's why it seems odd, because i dont understand the motivation behind it....doesn't make sense unless it's all made up/ hearsay

my friend wouldnt make something like that up, she is a very honest girl. Anyways i am leaving this thread because its getting very repetitive, goodnight everyone.

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
(the khalsa belong to god, and victory belongs to God)

[preymantis]

exactly

its not islam

yet some of you are here are defending these organizations like they are your chachay.

"theres no proof theres no proof"

PP04 posted links to dozens of eye-witness accounts of these Kaur to Khan stories

at first i did not care about the video, it's her life, but the fact that the lot of you can't even go "okay yes, we have some bad apples that are making a negative impact on our religion" but choose to act like it doesn't exist, is making me sick

its making me wanna put on CNN and see some new footage from the middle-east.

fuckers.

Word

I fully agree to what u said. No muslim in this forum as ready to agree or have sympathy that this conversion goes on.
They are all ready to defend their religion

[desi_uk]

Eh? It's not a feature of Desis only.. Go to any general region of the world, there's bickering of the same sort anywhere you go... It's a human problem.
it is but we need to get over it look how united Europe is we should be just as united within ourselves

[malkeet]

exactly

its not islam

yet some of you are here are defending these organizations like they are your chachay.

"theres no proof theres no proof"
PP04 posted links to dozens of eye-witness accounts of these Kaur to Khan stories

at first i did not care about the video, it's her life, but the fact that the lot of you can't even go "okay yes, we have some bad apples that are making a negative impact on our religion" but choose to act like it doesn't exist, is making me sick

its making me wanna put on CNN and see some new footage from the middle-east.

fuckers.

exactly, anyways goodnight

[foreverconfused]

it is but we need to get over it look how united Europe is we should be just as united within ourselves

europe is divided on the basis of language, ethnicity and religion as well.

[Rizla]

exactly

its not islam

yet some of you are here are defending these organizations like they are your chachay.

"theres no proof theres no proof"

PP04 posted links to dozens of eye-witness accounts of these Kaur to Khan stories

at first i did not care about the video, it's her life, but the fact that the lot of you can't even go "okay yes, we have some bad apples that are making a negative impact on our religion" but choose to act like it doesn't exist, is making me sick

its making me wanna put on CNN and see some new footage from the middle-east.

fuckers.

I'm not defending anyone who sets out to convert just for the hell of it.

I'm sure there are a few sad individuals who do it, but as a 23 yr old Muslim in the UK who goes to the Mosque regularly, i have never had a sniff of anything like this whatsoever, which is why the hype around it, mostly from non-muslims, seems so laughable.

Haar dee haar.

[jus_me]

coz some people hate and they dont know why they hate except of what their grandfathers and parents have taught them so they carry on and this rage

they need to wise up then.

i can tell that some of the stuff said by people in this thread has been pulled outta their arses to save the face of "their religion" even though those muslims who actually follow islam properly will know that conversions by duress as not mandated by the religion, those who are defending this practice are therefore in themselves hypocrits.

and you say you never knew how racist desis were between each other before you came on this website? im not being rude but that is quite unbelievable, i dont court trouble and i also dont care much for religion but even i know of the tensions there have been.

[Space-Cowboy]

europe is divided on the basis of language, ethnicity and religion as well.

How come you always ignore my posts? :(

[Rcade]

exactly

its not islam

yet some of you are here are defending these organizations like they are your chachay.

"theres no proof theres no proof"

PP04 posted links to dozens of eye-witness accounts of these Kaur to Khan stories

at first i did not care about the video, it's her life, but the fact that the lot of you can't even go "okay yes, we have some bad apples that are making a negative impact on our religion" but choose to act like it doesn't exist, is making me sick

its making me wanna put on CNN and see some new footage from the middle-east.

fuckers.

calm down bro..=)
just trying to understand it, thats all......like i said what is their motivation to do this?? ....they're not going to go to paradise for converting someone through deception; it doesn't take a genius to realize that...something just seems fishy about all this, that's all i;m saying

[desi_uk]

exactly

its not islam

yet some of you are here are defending these organizations like they are your chachay.

"theres no proof theres no proof"

PP04 posted links to dozens of eye-witness accounts of these Kaur to Khan stories

at first i did not care about the video, it's her life, but the fact that the lot of you can't even go "okay yes, we have some bad apples that are making a negative impact on our religion" but choose to act like it doesn't exist, is making me sick

its making me wanna put on CNN and see some new footage from the middle-east.

fuckers.
The incident comes no where near to the crisis in the middle east so dont even try to compare them, you are also defending your religion by this statement

[punjabipride04]

*Sigh, so no one can just say fair enough there are bad ppl as well as good end of story?

If I could get my friend or the other girls to come online & share the experience with you guys, so that'd you'd believe it trust me I would. But it's like rape once it happens, their whole lives from there on take effect.. I wasn't even talking about the video or whatever was posted in the thread I was talking about real situations, which have occurred to friends and some girls around here 100%.

I wouldn't waste my time making up stories and following the news. The only things, which affect me in life, are real-life situations, not media based crap.

:tears:

[foreverconfused]

How come you always ignore my posts? :(

I wasn't aware I was doing that :neutral:

[di vinci]

Word

I fully agree to what u said. No muslim in this forum as ready to agree or have sympathy that this conversion goes on.
They are all ready to defend their religion

wat forced conversion in the uk :nuts:

u :nuts: or something. if u said it in stani land yes maybe. but in the fuking uk. :nuts:

[The Tush]

lets do this you find four ppl for me, we get the free house rent it out n 5 years flog it off n go 50/50

wat do you think. do able.

as with sikhism, there are rules that need to follw. as every one kbnows islam, literally got a rule for everything from washing ur hands to stepping outside ur own house. rules must be follwed. you should never decieve people for an ulterio motive which is totally forbidden in islam. if these things do happen. they r decieving god, god knows everything

lol ... sorry mate ... as dumb as a lot if Sikh girls are ... can't screw over my own kind and lead them down that particular road! :-)

Rules? ... the world is not so simple mate that you can lay down the law for everything as the Koran does. Plus that point is proven by how many rules don't apply anymore. I mean having 4 wives ... and agreeing with slavery ... and being able to shag your female slaves? ... and the wives of the male slaves too! lol

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

lol

just imagine that was true. a muslim wear a karas, dosnt shave his pubes, or armpits n has circumstized penis. i persomally think a muslim will feel quite disqusted with himself. if he was like that

That does actually does happen.

[Space-Cowboy]

I wasn't aware I was doing that :neutral:

:geek:

[ptrehan]

they need to wise up then.

i can tell that some of the stuff said by people in this thread has been pulled outta their arses to save the face of "their religion" even though those muslims who actually follow islam properly will know that conversions by duress as not mandated by the religion, those who are defending this practice are therefore in themselves hypocrits.

and you say you never knew how racist desis were between each other before you came on this website? im not being rude but that is quite unbelievable, i dont court trouble and i also dont care much for religion but even i know of the tensions there have been.


Not the correct term. There is nothing racist about not liking a certain ideology or religion. Its a prejudice. I didn't know "Muslim" is a race.

[FatGeezer]

:geek:
looks like we're in the middle of it again, like the good ol' days...



:slap:

Thats for not being muslim :kekeke:

[desi_uk]

they need to wise up then.

i can tell that some of the stuff said by people in this thread has been pulled outta their arses to save the face of "their religion" even though those muslims who actually follow islam properly will know that conversions by duress as not mandated by the religion, those who are defending this practice are therefore in themselves hypocrits.

and you say you never knew how racist desis were between each other before you came on this website? im not being rude but that is quite unbelievable, i dont court trouble and i also dont care much for religion but even i know of the tensions there have been.
Yes i am aware of the history between the 2 nations but seriously desis have a major problem with one another where something so small and irrelevant can be blown out of proportion and next thing you know people are getting killed over it

[Ramand]

wow why you people making suck a big deal out of this??....god quit comparing religions...and hating

[Walktheline]

wow why you people making suck a big deal out of this??....got quit comparing religions...and hating

you go girl!

[di vinci]

lol ... sorry mate ... as dumb as a lot if Sikh girls are ... can't screw over my own kind and lead them down that particular road! :-)

Rules? ... the world is not so simple mate that you can lay down the law for everything as the Koran does. Plus that point is proven by how many rules don't apply anymore. I mean having 4 wives ... and agreeing with slavery ... and being able to shag your female slaves? ... and the wives of the male slaves too! lol


i personally think those rules came into play to keep the mongul kings n sultan happy. but realistically mostguys cant keep one women happy but four its sucidal. atleast it stops them from getting divorced n cheatonmg on other women.

some people have bended rules to suit their own needs and agenda. the way i see my life. be good to everyone. when u die then u will know it ur right or wrong.

are u really sure you dont want to convert. u can be my new rd - :love: interest :D

[Space-Cowboy]

looks like we're in the middle of it again, like the good ol' days...



:slap:

Thats for not being muslim :kekeke:

Just to add fuel to the fire........... Richard Dawkins will save the day:

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/05-11-23images/dawkinsRichard.jpg

:geek:




*:kekeke:

[Lord_Dirty]

I'm not defending anyone who sets out to convert just for the hell of it.

I'm sure there are a few sad individuals who do it, but as a 23 yr old Muslim in the UK who goes to the Mosque regularly, i have never had a sniff of anything like this whatsoever, which is why the hype around it, mostly from non-muslims, seems so laughable.

Haar dee haar.

haar dee harr

lets sit and think for a moment

forceful conversions are a big no-no in Islam no?

most regular decent Musaalmaan would not support or frown upon this action right?

now why would these organizations who think they are some sort of Mujhideen advertise what they are doing in the Mosque where 99.8% of the time they will be shunned?

kinda dumb on the organizations part now?

these organizations are run and work like any other petty gang. they recruit their members through a network of friends and family and it's kept very hush hush to the general public. non-muslims know about them because they are the ones who come into contact with them

[jus_me]

Not the correct term. There is nothing racist about not liking a certain ideology or religion. Its a prejudice. I didn't know "Muslim" is a race.

i was quoting the original poster using the term racist.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Same can be said for muslims and blaming stuff on the jews. You can add "real muslims don't go around and have sex with girls outside of marraige" in the "don't drink or eat haraam" food phrase. Not saying that what you said is wrong lol, just saying our youth needs to start getting straightened out as well.

:werd:

[Space-Cowboy]

you go girl!

Might I request that this thread be locked and junked?

[Ramand]

Might I request that this thread be locked and junked?
:werd:

[di vinci]

you go girl!


you look so hot i your sig :love:

[Space-Cowboy]

:werd:


:werd:

[punjabipride04]

you go girl!
I'm not going on about comparing relgions..but WTL if you saw or met these girls then you would be able to comment on the matter, I'm only talking about what i've seen or close friends around me have friends who have been through it. It's common here amongst kids our age, unfortunately it does happen & I knew ppl on here wouldn't really know about it as there are not many Sikhs based in the UK on here, but it is happening. :(

[Lord_Dirty]

calm down bro..=)
just trying to understand it, thats all......like i said what is their motivation to do this?? ....they're not going to go to paradise for converting someone through deception; it doesn't take a genius to realize that...something just seems fishy about all this, that's all i;m saying

because they have a shrewed lunatical perspective of what their religion requires them to do?

those guys who flew the planes on 9/11...THEY thought they were goin to paradise for what they were doing..do you agree with their actions bro? probably not :p

[desi_uk]

i know plenty of sikh girls that have converted to Islam and they did it out of their free will and the ones so called muslim who are going around forcing people at knife point are wrong though i never heard of this maybe it helps some sikh come to terms with it, rather she be forced to become a muslim then become a muslim out of her own choice because the fact that anyone wants to become a muslim out of their choice is beyond me :rolleyes:

[di vinci]

That does actually does happen.


personally muslim men r not allowed to wear any jewlerry apart from a silver ring

[Ramand]

lol did the person who made the thread get banned?

[Walktheline]

Might I request that this thread be locked and junked?


I thought this kind of discussion got yer rocks off, spacey

[jus_me]

Yes i am aware of the history between the 2 nations but seriously desis have a major problem with one another where something so small and irrelevant can be blown out of proportion and next thing you know people are getting killed over it

yeah its stupid, i know.

you would think that in this day and age, we need to stick together now more than ever before but i dont see it happening.

[desi_uk]

you look so hot i your sig :love:
ha ha trust you :p

[FatGeezer]

Just to add fuel to the fire........... Richard Dawkins will save the day:

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/05-11-23images/dawkinsRichard.jpg

:geek:




*:kekeke:
oooh im gonna go runnning into the bathroom with kleenex and that pic now...

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

personally muslim men r not allowed to wear any jewlerry apart from a silver ring

Lol that means tit for tat :dunno:

When i was down newcastle uni i seen myself a few muslim guys wearing kara's when i attended my cousin's sikh society event ( they actually got kicked out in the end) lol.


Not hearing word from mouth - actually seeing it yourself is a different thing.

[Space-Cowboy]

I thought this kind of discussion got yer rocks off, spacey

No.


You know, there's another user on these forums who's actually named 'spacey'.


Just to avoid confusion..... :dunno:

[FatGeezer]

I thought this kind of discussion got yer rocks off, spacey
only when its being conducted by civil grown ups, not your local yardies....

[punjabipride04]

There are good and bad ppl in every religion and sometimes matters are escalted, but I've only talked the truth in this thread. End of story.

peFQWuk4nuo It's 1/6 parts. I think some of it is exaggerated to be honest but you may want to check it out.

[jus_me]

i know plenty of sikh girls that have converted to Islam and they did it out of their free will and the ones so called muslim who are going around forcing people at knife point are wrong though i never heard of this maybe it helps some sikh come to terms with it, rather she be forced to become a muslim then become a muslim out of her own choice because the fact that anyone wants to become a muslim out of their choice is beyond me :rolleyes:

to be fair, it wouldnt really be advertised widely to muslims that this is how people are being made to convert, would it?

but on the same token, i do agree with you that sometimes people want to close their eyes to the obvious because they dont think people will convert freely.

[Space-Cowboy]

only when its being conducted by civil grown ups, not your local yardies....

:slap: Will you stop using British lingo? :squint:

[Rizla]

haar dee harr

lets sit and think for a moment

forceful conversions are a big no-no in Islam no?

most regular decent Musaalmaan would not support or frown upon this action right?

now why would these organizations who think they are some sort of Mujhideen advertise what they are doing in the Mosque where 99.8% of the time they will be shunned?

kinda dumb on the organizations part now?

these organizations are run and work like any other petty gang. they recruit their members through a network of friends and family and it's kept very hush hush to the general public. non-muslims know about them because they are the ones who come into contact with them

Where are you getting this in depth information and explanation of the spatial underground diaspora of Islamic converters?

[desi_uk]

yeah its stupid, i know.

you would think that in this day and age, we need to stick together now more than ever before but i dont see it happening.
yeah i doubth it its ever gonna get better i hope it does but in todays climate all you see is misery, war and bloodshed over petty shit, maybe if Aliens landed 2mrw we would all unite, but i doubth it hey im an optimist we still have Bob geldof and Bono

[Lord_Dirty]

The incident comes no where near to the crisis in the middle east so dont even try to compare them, you are also defending your religion by this statement

i dont think its a crisis

the CNN reference was due to fact that when i get this kind of anger over me it's comforting to watch Bush bomb the fuck out of the middle east.

it's shit like this that gets me mad because i had an entire side of my family wiped out in the `47 riots. and it took me many years to dispel the anger i felt inside, and i had some gleam of hope that the muslim posters on these boards were actually REAL muslims, but seeing the lot of you pretending like it doesn't exist is just enraging me beyond belief.

like i don't even care if some of you lose respect for me after i post this. i don't give a shit. this thread coulda been ended after page 2 but the pack of you just had to keep going further and further.

[jat_jatt_sardar]

I know about families where the children or parents are amrit dhari but the children don't actually know much about sikhi....

[The Tush]

i personally think those rules came into play to keep the mongul kings n sultan happy. but realistically mostguys cant keep one women happy but four its sucidal. atleast it stops them from getting divorced n cheatonmg on other women.

some people have bended rules to suit their own needs and agenda. the way i see my life. be good to everyone. when u die then u will know it ur right or wrong.

are u really sure you dont want to convert. u can be my new rd - :love: interest :D

Mate ... muslims don't convert men remember? ... I am a dude!

I totally agree that the rules are a product of what the ruling men wanted. There are others like the 'fact' that men are superior to women etc. But I am pretty sure the rules were not bent ... that is what Mohammed sat down and wrote ... I mean er ... god told him to write lol

[punjabipride04]

One thing I rate Muslims for is the fact they know a lot more about their religion etc than the average Sikh. You guys are taught well from a very young age whereas our religion is a little more open of course it's up to you if you want to follow it or not but there's faults in everyone no ones perfect & I think we all can continue to better our selves.

[Space-Cowboy]

i know plenty of sikh girls that have converted to Islam and they did it out of their free will and the ones so called muslim who are going around forcing people at knife point are wrong though i never heard of this maybe it helps some sikh come to terms with it, rather she be forced to become a muslim then become a muslim out of her own choice because the fact that anyone wants to become a muslim out of their choice is beyond me :rolleyes:

Again, people convert in and out of Islam, just like they convert in and out of any other tradition, all the time. The point that needs to be made, is that none of this is the function of either tradition... it's a human problem, as I stated earlier.. :think:

[punjabipride04]

Lol that means tit for tat :dunno:

When i was down newcastle uni i seen myself a few muslim guys wearing kara's when i attended my cousin's sikh society event ( they actually got kicked out in the end) lol.


Not hearing word from mouth - actually seeing it yourself is a different thing.
A muslim guy on my course was cussing me for not going out and drinking or clubbing and called me boring just coz of that. As he clubs drinks smokes & goes out with all kinda girls goes to show we all have ppl to stray away from religion in every race & faith.

[FatGeezer]

:slap: Will you stop using British lingo? :squint:
i thought i was speaking jamiacan maaaaan :dunno:

[di vinci]

haar dee harr

lets sit and think for a moment

forceful conversions are a big no-no in Islam no?

most regular decent Musaalmaan would not support or frown upon this action right?

now why would these organizations who think they are some sort of Mujhideen advertise what they are doing in the Mosque where 99.8% of the time they will be shunned? :nuts:

kinda dumb on the organizations part now?

these organizations are run and work like any other petty gang. they recruit their members through a network of friends and family and it's kept very hush hush to the general public. non-muslims know about them because they are the ones who come into contact with them


i want to know more

im intrigued

[Space-Cowboy]

i thought i was speaking jamiacan maaaaan :dunno:

*puff puff pass

[Rizla]

So heres the situation people.

We Muslims on this thread are getting slated for not converting to the idea put to us by our Sikh friends that there is an underground network of Muslims out to convert Sikhs.

[desi_uk]

to be fair, it wouldnt really be advertised widely to muslims that this is how people are being made to convert, would it?

but on the same token, i do agree with you that sometimes people want to close their eyes to the obvious because they dont think people will convert freely.
im just sick of trying to defend myself and my religion all the time and its always something petty that has always been blown out of propotion, rather like this, it just give people the opportunity to point fingers and say youre wrong and we are right, you are backwards you live in the dark ages blah blah bla cry me a wolf, trigger get off youre high horse and deal with your own shit before steppin on my foot

[jus_me]

One thing I rate Muslims for is the fact they know a lot more about their religion etc than the average Sikh. You guys are taught well from a very young age whereas our religion is a little more open of course it's up to you if you want to follow it or not but there's faults in everyone no ones perfect & I think we all can continue to better our selves.

i think there is a balance, i know both sikh and muslim people who know a lot about their religion and it has been taught to them since they were born, and on the same token i know sikhs and muslims who dont really know much about their religion, in my personal experience, my muslim mates are a lot more verbal about the teachings of their religion and what it allows them to do and what they cant do.

i dont understand the need for pointless arguments though, i mean calling one religion retarded doesnt make your religion better, if anything it makes you look stupid as im pretty sure sikhi says that youre meant to treat everyone as being equal.

:)

[Lord_Dirty]

are you guys fucking serious?!

THERE WERE DOZENS OF LINKS POSTED.

DID YOU NOT FUCKING READ THEM

ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND

DO YOU SUFFER FROM FUCKING DYSLEXIA

fucking hell

im done

goodbye

[FatGeezer]

*puff puff pass

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=yardies&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

[punjabipride04]

I know about families where the children or parents are amrit dhari but the children don't actually know much about sikhi....
Exactly, it doesn't matter if your parents are religious or not these days. I went out my way to ask religious elders or my sibling more about Sikhi & It's always useful to read into other religions as well just out of interest. You get a better picture of things for yourself.

[FatGeezer]

are you guys fucking serious?!

THERE WERE DOZENS OF LINKS POSTED.

DID YOU NOT FUCKING READ THEM

ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND

DO YOU SUFFER FROM FUCKING DYSLEXIA

fucking hell

im done

goodbye

promise?

[Ramand]

are you guys fucking serious?!

THERE WERE DOZENS OF LINKS POSTED.

DID YOU NOT FUCKING READ THEM

ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND

DO YOU SUFFER FROM FUCKING DYSLEXIA

fucking hell

im done

goodbye
woah ez there

[di vinci]

Again, people convert in and out of Islam, just like they convert in and out of any other tradition, all the time. The point that needs to be made, is that none of this is the function of either tradition... it's a human problem, as I stated earlier.. :think:


kaaafir im going to kill you ......................








































:hug:

[FatGeezer]

So heres the situation people.

We Muslims on this thread are getting slated for not converting to the idea put to us by our Sikh friends that there is an underground network of Muslims out to convert Sikhs.
fcuk me thats a lot of converting going on right there i tell ya

[desi_uk]

Again, people convert in and out of Islam, just like they convert in and out of any other tradition, all the time. The point that needs to be made, is that none of this is the function of either tradition... it's a human problem, as I stated earlier.. :think:
yes i agree

[bobby124]

didn't mohamad the muslim prophet have sex with a 9 year old girl when he was in his 40's, when an adult has sex with a little kid doesn't that make him a petaphile.

[Space-Cowboy]

So heres the situation people.

We Muslims on this thread are getting slated for not converting to the idea put to us by our Sikh friends that there is an underground network of Muslims out to convert Sikhs.


What none of you humans realize is that there is an underground network of quasi-humans who have been absorbed and assmilated by an approaching Zerg brood; actively working to destroy the very essence of all that we hold near and dear. Sadly me and my Protoss brethren are unable to help your species at the moment.