Islam = Terrorism?

[nex_man]

Islaam = Terrorism?

O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Aware.

[Qur'an 49:13]


Taqwa: piety, "God-consciousness." Taqwa involves constant awareness and remembrance of Allah, and conscious efforts to adhere to His commandments and abstain from whatever He has forbidden.


O you who believe! Keep your duty to Allâh and fear Him, and speak (always) the truth.

He will direct you to do righteous good deeds and will forgive you your sins. And whosoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger (peace be upon him) he has indeed achieved a great achievement (i.e. he will be saved from the Hell-fire and made to enter Paradise).

[Qur'an Al-Ahzaab (The Confederates) 33: 70-1]



Alright, so here's the proof from Qur'an and sayings of the God's final Messenger (peace be upon him) that Islaam doesn't support all this kinda stuff you see on the media:


From Qur'an, Allaah says:

Whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind...

[Qur'an 5: 32]


The Messenger of Allaah said:

“Do not kill any old person, any child, or any woman.” [Abu Dawud]

“Do not kill the monks in monasteries,” or “Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship.” [Musnad Ahmad]

Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah's Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abu Dawud , Book 14, Number 2608)


It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.

[Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4320]




Remember that all this stuff is simply in the context of fighting ^ outside of the war-zone none of that is permissible anyway - unless there is a certain law which calls for capital punishment. And even then - not any tom, bob and harry can apply it - it's the Islamic judge.



Alot of people who attack Islaam will try to use this verse to say that Islaam isn't all that peaceful now, lets check what verse they use:

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

[Qur'an Al-Tawbah Repentance 9:5]


huh? kill EVERY pagan?! erm.. nah mate. First of all, this is in the context of war - when you're fighting, do you throw soft sponge balls at the enemy? Or do you fight them straight on? erm.. yeah, I thought so too.

Secondly - see how it says 'but' at the beginning of that verse? That implies that theres something before that verse right? Let's see the verse before it then:


Except those of the polytheists with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allâh loves Al- Mattaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2).

[Qur'an 9:4]


Okay, but still.. killing all polytheists? That's krazy?


Let's look at the verse that comes after the original verse [9:5]:

And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur'ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not. [Qur'an 9: 6]


Alright, so that's the basics and the killing of innocents isn't allowed. Yet at the same time - Islaam isn't basically a religion which means peace in of itself, it's a religion which leads to peace - yes. But Islaam means submission. And it's a religion of justice - so if some next man comes to me and invades my country - i got the right to defend myself.

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

[Qur'an 2: 190]


The Messenger of Allaah said:"I counsel you to have Taqwaa of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences. So stick to my Sunnah [path] and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire."

[Authentic - Recorded in Abu Dawud]


So we stick to the Prophetic guidance, and if we follow any other example besides that - then we will be misguided. That's probably alot of what you see on the media today - misguidance and propaganda.

So please don't say some next man did 'so and so' on the news - because if he contradicted something which the Messenger of Allaah said - then thats not a part of Islaam is it?


Islaam is Perfect, Muslims aren't.



And Allaah knows best.

[(sic)]

junk this

[nex_man]

nah man, we hear bare stuff about this all the time. thought i'd clarify it once and for all init.

[akuza]

nex_man :no: east londoner?

[Lord_Dirty]

http://i15.tinypic.com/4dbu8pi.jpg

[nex_man]

nex_man :no: east londoner?
nah, more up north. lol, wa bout u?

[bengoli_meg]

no more threads like this. first and last warning.

[MrBilalDK]

Really good post ! I wish the ignorant ones could understand it as well ..

[nex_man]

Really good post ! I wish the ignorant ones could understand it as well ..
Asalaamu 'alykum [peace be upon you]


thanks bruv :) i hope so too.. thing is - loads of peeps attack islaam without knowledge, and most just post like half the verse without showing the true side to it.. thats what propaganda is init?

anyway why isn't this stuff discussed on the forums anyway? loads of people get away with attackin islaam but they run away when the answers given init.. krazy.

[DasJa]

It's 4/20 today :cheers:

Anyone else gonna toke up and Jeeeeehadddd!?? :rambo:

[Bilaah]

junk this

Why? has your sterotypical views of Islam been confined to junkyard trash. This is the true Islam which he is describing. The word Islam is translated to Peace.

[Bilaah]

It's 4/20 today :cheers:

Anyone else gonna toke up and Jeeeeehadddd!?? :rambo:

Its actually spelt Jihad! also you should learn to be tolerant of others religions! I have friends from All religions and its really wierd how people on this forum also bring in their stereotypical views of one anothers religion.

Also Jihad doesn't always revolve around fighting. I can give you an example if you have time to listen.

[DasJa]

Its actually spelt Jihad! also you should learn to be tolerant of others religions! I have friends from All religions and its really wierd how people on this forum also bring in their stereotypical views of one anothers religion.

Also Jihad doesn't always revolve around fighting. I can give you an example if you have time to listen.
n1gga f*ck dat shit! I say we get drunk n kill some of these Hindooos runnin' about!! Infidelssss :rambo:

[nex_man]

Nah, we know that Jihaad means struggle anyway - and yeah at the same time fighting is also jihaad so i don't disagree with that. But the rules on the first post apply to this init.


The proof is in the Qur'an - Chapter 31 [Luqman] verse 15:


The arabic goes:

15. Wa-in jahadaka AAala an tushrika bee ma laysa laka bihi AAilmun fala tutiAAhuma wasahibhuma fee alddunya maAAroofan waittabiAA sabeela man anaba ilayya thumma ilayya marjiAAukum faonabbi-okum bima kuntum taAAmaloona

And jahada in that verse means:

And We have enjoined on man (to be dutiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years give thanks to Me and to your parents, unto Me is the final destination
But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.

[Bilaah]

n1gga f*ck dat shit! I say we get drunk n kill some of these Hindooos runnin' about!! Infidelssss :rambo:

Hindua nu maarkay tu ki karoonga te das ayeda ki faida hona wa = what will you do by killing the Hindus and what will you gain from doing this!

Islam also teaches tolerance towards other religions!

[thesoldier]

:shhh:
The Prophet was perfect ??? :D ... but was he ???? :blowme:

[DasJa]

Hindua nu maarkay tu ki karoonga te das ayeda ki faida hona wa = what will you do by killing the Hindus and what will you gain from doing this!

Islam also teaches tolerance towards other religions!
Mein mazaak kar reya si :no:

Mein khud hindu/sikh yah myself...lol. And i usually make fun of ppl who talk about religion :kekeke:

Chalo...you guys continue :werd:

[Bilaah]

:shhh:
The Prophet was perfect ??? :D ... but was he ???? :blowme:

To Answer You Question Quite Simply, Yes He Was Perfect. Allah Ta'ala Excused All His Prohets From Sin. We Will all Find Out In The Hereafter!

[(sic)]

Its actually spelt Jihad! also you should learn to be tolerant of others religions! I have friends from All religions and its really wierd how people on this forum also bring in their stereotypical views of one anothers religion.

Also Jihad doesn't always revolve around fighting. I can give you an example if you have time to listen.
Idiot I'm muslim too. This thread will just turn into religion bashing. You can't educate people on this site cos they're retarded.

[~CupCake~]

stfu :dance3:

[DasJa]

Idiot I'm muslim too. This thread will just turn into religion bashing. You can't educate people on this site cos they're retarded.
"Retarded" and "not bothered" are NOT the same thing. No one likes other ppl to shove their views down their throat. I'm just not interested, yet I respect Islam. It doesn't make me retarted, just non-different. Get over yourself!!

[(sic)]

"Retarded" and "not bothered" are NOT the same thing. No one likes other ppl to shove their views down their throat. I'm just not interested, yet I respect Islam. It doesn't make me retarted, just non-different. Get over yourself!!
You were clearly bothered enough to reply to my thread. But yes you are right, there are those who can't be bothered.

[littlechick]

junk this
Dont comment on some ones religion

[nex_man]

Nah allow this yeah, i just wanted to clear this whole thing out init. Respekt to you guyz fo checkin it out.


Peace.

[(sic)]

Dont comment on some ones religion
its my religion too:slap:


fuckit

[littlechick]

Nah, we know that Jihaad means struggle anyway - and yeah at the same time fighting is also jihaad so i don't disagree with that. But the rules on the first post apply to this init.


The proof is in the Qur'an - Chapter 31 [Luqman] verse 15:


The arabic goes:

15. Wa-in jahadaka AAala an tushrika bee ma laysa laka bihi AAilmun fala tutiAAhuma wasahibhuma fee alddunya maAAroofan waittabiAA sabeela man anaba ilayya thumma ilayya marjiAAukum faonabbi-okum bima kuntum taAAmaloona

And jahada in that verse means:

And We have enjoined on man (to be dutiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years give thanks to Me and to your parents, unto Me is the final destination
But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.


Remember this

you dont need to convince your friends, becos they believe in you. Dont try to explain to your enemies they will never believe it.......same is here.......peoples who believe in a religion they know no religion teach to kill others, it is few idiot peoples personel doings and ones who dont know about religions and just hate a specific religion they will always blame it is islam who is teaching to kill others ....... so best way is let haters to hate .......waste of time to convince some one here.....

[nex_man]

Remember this

you dont need to convince your friends, becos they believe in you. Dont try to explain to your enemies they will never believe it.......same is here.......peoples who believe in a religion they know no religion teach to kill others, it is few idiot peoples personel doings and ones who dont know about religions and just hate a specific religion they will always blame it is islam who is teaching to kill others ....... so best way is let haters to hate .......waste of time to convince some one here.....
Thanks, maybe you learnt somethin from here that you never knew of before? If you did - it's better that atleast someone benefitted from it instead of no-one at all if u get me..

but yeah i get where ur comin from.. thanks again.



peace.

[Bilaah]

Idiot I'm muslim too. This thread will just turn into religion bashing. You can't educate people on this site cos they're retarded.

Nobody is perfect but how can you say junk this, the spreading of Islam and standing up for your religion against critcism is Farz (Mandatory) as the guy that posted this thread has surely done a good deed in representing the true Islam!

[Madrion]

Nobody is perfect but how can you say junk this, the spreading of Islam and standing up for your religion against critcism is Farz (Mandatory) as the guy that posted this thread has surely done a good deed in representing the true Islam!


HAHA!!!!what a load of bullshit.

[DasJa]

The reason this thread has been junked it because sooner or later, it'll either turn into flame wars on different ppl and religions dissing on Islam, OR,
it'll delve into an oft-repeated dialogue, dripping with sarcasm and dry-humor.

Heck, i'll kick start the inevitable end to this thread anyway, here ya go:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/3/H/holywar.jpg

[Bilaah]

Also criticising anyone else's religion is not going to achieving anything especially if it revolves around abusing others as Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) was very tolerant and patient towards those who did not agree with him. So please all Muslims follow this beautiful Sunah!

I admit i am 1 of the worse at cussing people but believe family and religion should be left out of it.

[Madrion]

Asalaamu 'alykum [peace be upon you]


thanks bruv :) i hope so too.. thing is - loads of peeps attack islaam without knowledge, and most just post like half the verse without showing the true side to it.. thats what propaganda is init?

anyway why isn't this stuff discussed on the forums anyway? loads of people get away with attackin islaam but they run away when the answers given init.. krazy.

my friend i am afraid by quoting select verses from the Quran you have also befallen to the "propagandistic view". Let me tell you what the criteria is for a religion to be considered a religion of peace:

TO HAVE NO VERSES AT ALL PROMOTING VIOLENCE. NOT ONE, NOT TWO, NOT A HUNDRED, NONE whatsover..

Existence of EVEN ONE verse promoting violence disregards the argument. and my friend Quran SURELY does not have just one.

do u dare to deny that?

[nex_man]

Madrion, fightings allowed if the enemy fights you - thats what religion consists of. No-one has to be passive because we have a right to defend ourselves, any moral person would even tell you that.

If someone hit a moral person - they would defend themselves, without a doubt. And they would justify that by putting forward why they did so. So religion isn't any different, since its for all of mankind and a whole way of life.


Regards.

[Madrion]

Madrion, fightings allowed if the enemy fights you - thats what religion consists of. No-one has to be passive because we have a right to defend ourselves, any moral person would even tell you that.

If someone hit a moral person - they would defend themselves, without a doubt. And they would justify that by putting forward why they did so. So religion isn't any different, since its for all of mankind and a whole way of life.


Regards.

oh no no. i am not talking about verses in support of self defence. i am talking about those verses which encourage violence without provokation. do u want me to quote these verses for you?do you? or do you want to do the honors?

[nex_man]

oh no no. i am not talking about verses in support of self defence. i am talking about those verses which encourage violence without provokation. do u want me to quote these verses for you?do you?
Sure, post them up.

[Madrion]

sure will do. i am at work and i will make a detailed analysis when i get out of work for you. be sure to check back in.

[nex_man]

Sure will, and remember - i want you to do the talking, not the copying and pasting off anti islamic links. I don't need a detailed analysis, so if you ever want to discuss anything - you'll bring one point at a time, since that's what discussions are. Not a whole page pasted onto the whole forum.


Regards.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Islaam = Terrorism?

O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Aware.

[Qur'an 49:13]


Taqwa: piety, "God-consciousness." Taqwa involves constant awareness and remembrance of Allah, and conscious efforts to adhere to His commandments and abstain from whatever He has forbidden.


O you who believe! Keep your duty to Allâh and fear Him, and speak (always) the truth.

He will direct you to do righteous good deeds and will forgive you your sins. And whosoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger (peace be upon him) he has indeed achieved a great achievement (i.e. he will be saved from the Hell-fire and made to enter Paradise).

[Qur'an Al-Ahzaab (The Confederates) 33: 70-1]



Alright, so here's the proof from Qur'an and sayings of the God's final Messenger (peace be upon him) that Islaam doesn't support all this kinda stuff you see on the media:


From Qur'an, Allaah says:

Whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind...

[Qur'an 5: 32]


The Messenger of Allaah said:

“Do not kill any old person, any child, or any woman.” [Abu Dawud]

“Do not kill the monks in monasteries,” or “Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship.” [Musnad Ahmad]

Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah's Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abu Dawud , Book 14, Number 2608)


It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.

[Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4320]




Remember that all this stuff is simply in the context of fighting ^ outside of the war-zone none of that is permissible anyway - unless there is a certain law which calls for capital punishment. And even then - not any tom, bob and harry can apply it - it's the Islamic judge.



Alot of people who attack Islaam will try to use this verse to say that Islaam isn't all that peaceful now, lets check what verse they use:

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

[Qur'an Al-Tawbah Repentance 9:5]


huh? kill EVERY pagan?! erm.. nah mate. First of all, this is in the context of war - when you're fighting, do you throw soft sponge balls at the enemy? Or do you fight them straight on? erm.. yeah, I thought so too.

Secondly - see how it says 'but' at the beginning of that verse? That implies that theres something before that verse right? Let's see the verse before it then:


Except those of the polytheists with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allâh loves Al- Mattaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2).

[Qur'an 9:4]


Okay, but still.. killing all polytheists? That's krazy?


Let's look at the verse that comes after the original verse [9:5]:

And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur'ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not. [Qur'an 9: 6]


Alright, so that's the basics and the killing of innocents isn't allowed. Yet at the same time - Islaam isn't basically a religion which means peace in of itself, it's a religion which leads to peace - yes. But Islaam means submission. And it's a religion of justice - so if some next man comes to me and invades my country - i got the right to defend myself.

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

[Qur'an 2: 190]


The Messenger of Allaah said:"I counsel you to have Taqwaa of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences. So stick to my Sunnah [path] and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire."

[Authentic - Recorded in Abu Dawud]


So we stick to the Prophetic guidance, and if we follow any other example besides that - then we will be misguided. That's probably alot of what you see on the media today - misguidance and propaganda.

So please don't say some next man did 'so and so' on the news - because if he contradicted something which the Messenger of Allaah said - then thats not a part of Islaam is it?


Islaam is Perfect, Muslims aren't.



And Allaah knows best.




Good stuff bro ... don't let these mindless drones bring you down ... rmr in the Quran:

Verse 2:6
Yusuf Ali: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

Zohurul Hoque: Surely those who disbelieve- it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them- they will not believe.

T. J. Irving: It is all the same whether you warn those who disbelieve or do not warn them; they still will not believe:

T.U. Hilali-M. Khan: Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.

M. Pickthall: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.

M.H. Shakir: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.

[littlechick]

I think we shud avoid discussin 2 things here
1 - Religion
2 - Politics
These 2 r sensitive issues. every one can have their own personnel views. This is fun site and some ppl make fun of such stuff and doin dat they might hurt other ppls widout realising wot they saying.