Muslims who eat pork.

[paki_Biyatch123]

Recently I was talking to this guy, he's pagan, he was talking to me and this other paki girl. He then asks "Is it you guys that aren't allowed to eat pork?" and I am like yeah it is. And then the paki girl turns around and goes "But I eat it anyways, even though its against my religion, its sooooooooooooooooo tasty! i can't live without it" and I'm like. WTF, you still call yourself a Muslim even though you eat pork. I dunno. the way she said it really bugged me stupid bitch!

[ana]

WTF?!

slap her

[kohli_sahib]

bacon > beef.

[TheLoneAvenger]

It's strange, but there's plenty of people who are Muslim who eat pork, drink, have premarital relations etc.

It's just funny that she can't "live without it". I've never even heard whites/blacks/hispanics refer to pork with such reverence.

[Miz Jatti]

hawwww thats haraam. i say bring back hanging. :werd:

[Bengal!z]

people that dont pray five times a day still call themselves muslim
people that kill innocents still call themselves muslim
people that have sex before marriage still call themselves muslim

each unto there own..

[JiG]

^^ W3rd!

[kohli_sahib]

^^ W3rd!

hell, i sure as hell ain't no muzzy.

and watch this:

I'm a Muslim!!!!!!.








































blasphemy, i tells ya. better man up the jumbo jets guys, this is jihad.

[Bengal!z]

pork is yummy

[thebrownreason]

errrrr

i can understand drinking and smoking but
eating pork? wtf.

[Bengal!z]

errrrr

i can understand drinking and smoking but
eating pork? wtf.

eating pork isnt as bad as drinking is it? im not sure

[JiG]

hell, i sure as hell ain't no muzzy.

and watch this:

I'm a Muslim!!!!!!.



blasphemy, i tells ya. better man up the jumbo jets guys, this is jihad.

:lol:

[Desi MC]

I dont eat pork, but I drink sometimes :neutral:

[baby khan]

i accidently ate those pork chips when i was in 3rd grade :no:

[schaxeb]

eating pork isnt as bad as drinking is it? im not sure
:rofl:
that reminded me of babygirls "big sin, small sin" episode :rofl:

they r both haram btw.

[kohli_sahib]

:lol:

i'm about to get shot.

fatwa time, homies.

[Desi MC]

lol

[Bengal!z]

:rofl:
that reminded me of babygirls "big sin, small sin" episode :rofl:

they r both haram btw.
Originally Posted by BaByGirL24
listen i know a lot of things are a sin..but there are limits OKAY? there's something called "big" and "small" sin...get it? i am not the best one around, for the 10th time if you go back and read, but i am better than most. period. end of discussion.

[baby khan]

Originally Posted by BaByGirL24
listen i know a lot of things are a sin..but there are limits OKAY? there's something called "big" and "small" sin...get it? i am not the best one around, for the 10th time if you go back and read, but i am better than most. period. end of discussion.
:lol: :google:

[schaxeb]

Originally Posted by BaByGirL24
listen i know a lot of things are a sin..but there are limits OKAY? there's something called "big" and "small" sin...get it? i am not the best one around, for the 10th time if you go back and read, but i am better than most. period. end of discussion.
that is one of the well known posts on RD man... priceless!

[NumbaOneStunna]

i ate some by mistake, tasted like beef

[schaxeb]

i accidently ate those pork chips when i was in 3rd grade :no:
accidentally nahin, bhook lagi hogi. :p

[baby khan]

accidentally nahin, bhook lagi hogi. :p
:no: that actually put a smile on my face lol....no but i traded chips with some girl lol and i didnt know what pork was when i was in 3rd grade and i ate them right but i kept the bag and i came home and showed my dad and said "papa mujhe istara ke chips la ke dein yeh bohat mazzey ke hai meine aaj lunch pe kaye teh" and he said "kyaaaaaa" *thapar right on my cheek* :tears:

[Desi MC]

hahahahaaahhaha :lol:

[schaxeb]

:no: that actually put a smile on my face lol....no but i traded chips with some girl lol and i didnt know what pork was when i was in 3rd grade and i ate them right but i kept the bag and i came home and showed my dad and said "papa mujhe istara ke chips la ke dein yeh bohat mazzey ke hai meine aaj lunch pe kaye teh" and he said "kyaaaaaa" *thapar right on my cheek* :tears:

:rofl: @ you actually wanting more of those... cute thou.

[BKnight]

that is one of the well known posts on RD man... priceless!

:sarb: I dont get it..how come its funny?...I think shes refring to gunaah-kabeera and gunah-sageerah...i.e lying abt ur location on internet is a small sin....committing adultery is a big sin....

[Bengal!z]

that is one of the well known posts on RD man... priceless!

i know.

she was hot but

[baby khan]

:rofl: @ you actually wanting more of those... cute thou.
:no: my dad then sent me to my room and i couldnt stop crying cuz i didnt know why he slapped me and then my dad came into my room after 15 mins or so and explained to me what pork was lol

[schaxeb]

:sarb: I dont get it..how come its funny?...I think shes refring to gunaah-kabeera and gunah-sageerah...i.e lying abt ur location on internet is a small sin....committing adultery is a big sin....

i understand the kabeera/sagheera, haraam/makroo, concept... but her inability to explain that to pachaas, and the way he played around/manipulated with her words made it funny.

[schaxeb]

:no: my dad then sent me to my room and i couldnt stop crying cuz i didnt know why he slapped me and then my dad came into my room after 15 mins or so and explained to me what pork was lol
well the thapar was a little too much... but it has made u stay away from pork (hopefully) so i guess the thappar worked.

[BKnight]

i understand the kabeera/sagheera, haraam/makroo, concept... but her inability to explain that to pachaas, and the way he played around/manipulated with her words made it funny.

hmmmm :think: ......ermmmm.....ok!! :neutral:

[Lord_Dirty]

nice crispy bacon

[schaxeb]

hmmmm :think: ......ermmmm.....ok!! :neutral:
aw come on... u know how he toyed with her...

[BKnight]

aw come on... u know how he toyed with her...

:o ..I guess I missed that part.......may be thats why it wasnt funny for me.....OR as you all know by now...I've got very retard-ish kinda humor...so....oh well....that explains....its four AM..and I am slee....slee.sl....:Sleep:

[malkeet]

why should it matter? its still just another animal. whats the point in eating chicken, fish etc but not eating pork? i dont think there is any spiritual benefit in doing so. either give up meat completely and become vegetarian or just eat it all.

[TheLoneAvenger]

why should it matter? its still just another animal. whats the point in eating chicken, fish etc but not eating pork? i dont think there is any spiritual benefit in doing so. either give up meat completely and become vegetarian or just eat it all.

It's apart of Islam. A main tenet of Islam is submitting to God's will instead of trying to question the commands of the religion.

You can question any part of Islam then, why pray 5 times a day and not less, why fast etc?

Also, your all or none thinking isn't rational. By that logic, a person should either be a virgin for the entirety of their life or have sex with anything that moves at the earliest age possible for the rest of their life. Why not try some moderation instead?

[Angel Frm Heaven]

A lot of middle eastern people do...(hijabi's that is) *shivers
The word grosses me out

[kohli_sahib]

It's apart of Islam. A main tenet of Islam is submitting to God's will instead of trying to question the commands of the religion.

You can question any part of Islam then, why pray 5 times a day and not less, why fast etc?

Also, your all or none thinking isn't rational. By that logic, a person should either be a virgin for the entirety of their life or have sex with anything that moves at the earliest age possible for the rest of their life. Why not try some moderation instead?

so, not questioning "God's" will is rational thinking?

[BKnight]

It's apart of Islam. A main tenet of Islam is submitting to God's will instead of trying to question the commands of the religion.

You can question any part of Islam then, why pray 5 times a day and not less, why fast etc?

Also, your all or none thinking isn't rational. By that logic, a person should either be a virgin for the entirety of their life or have sex with anything that moves at the earliest age possible for the rest of their life. Why not try some moderation instead?

Nice point!...just to let you know...in my books..you always get 9.5/10...:salut:


-.5 for "LoneAvenger" screen name :no:

[TheLoneAvenger]

so, not questioning "God's" will is rational thinking?

From the context of a non-Muslim, not questioning God's will is irrational. I'll gladly admit that.

But if one is a Muslim, questioning parts of Islam, such as why do we need to pray if I keep God in my mind, or why do I need to eat only certain foods, only leads down a path of disbelief.

[kohli_sahib]

Nice point!...just to let you know...in my books..you always get 9.5/10...:salut:


-.5 for "LoneAvenger" screen name :no:

my point was a lot more "rational"

[desi_uk]

Recently I was talking to this guy, he's pagan, he was talking to me and this other paki girl. He then asks "Is it you guys that aren't allowed to eat pork?" and I am like yeah it is. And then the paki girl turns around and goes "But I eat it anyways, even though its against my religion, its sooooooooooooooooo tasty! i can't live without it" and I'm like. WTF, you still call yourself a Muslim even though you eat pork. I dunno. the way she said it really bugged me stupid bitch!
why would anyone want to eat something that eats its own shyte i will never understand

[TheLoneAvenger]

Nice point!...just to let you know...in my books..you always get 9.5/10...:salut:


-.5 for "LoneAvenger" screen name :no:

Hah!

Thanks.

As for the screen name, I'm a geek, it's the best I could come up with.

[kohli_sahib]

From the context of a non-Muslim, not questioning God's will is irrational. I'll gladly admit that.

But if one is a Muslim, questioning parts of Islam, such as why do we need to pray if I keep God in my mind, or why do I need to eat only certain foods, only leads down a path of disbelief.

but that path to disbelief leads to becoming a non-Muslim that is "rational" in thinking. a religion in which questioning is discouraged, infact even punishable, is irrational by default.

if you asked the question "why is it that when i fly in an aeroplane i don't see John Wayne playing frisbee with the dog from Beethoven in "heaven"? would that lead a the path of disbelief.

sorry, im just agitated by someone on here who said that modern science is embraced by Islam. for a religion that doesn't allow any kind of questioning it's almighty authoritative source (a centruries old compliation of scriptures), that just seems impossible. this goes for all abrahamic faiths, before someone plays the race card, it just happens to be Islam in this particular example.

[kohli_sahib]

why would anyone want to eat something that eats its own shyte i will never understand

cows do that too, got beef?

[malkeet]

It's apart of Islam. A main tenet of Islam is submitting to God's will instead of trying to question the commands of the religion.

You can question any part of Islam then, why pray 5 times a day and not less, why fast etc?

Also, your all or none thinking isn't rational. By that logic, a person should either be a virgin for the entirety of their life or have sex with anything that moves at the earliest age possible for the rest of their life. Why not try some moderation instead?

i think one should think logically about religion, and question why am i doing this, how will it benefit me spiritually, if one wishes to progress spiritually. With eating meat, an animal is being killed. Even if you are not directly killing it, by eating the flesh i believe you are acquiring the negative spirituality that has come from its death. Now, why are you forbidden from eating pork? but you are allowed to eat all other meat. By islams/christians creationism theory, then all lifeforms are created by god, why would god create one life form lower than any other? I think all life is equal in the eyes of god, however what makes humans special is that through evolution we have acquired intelligence, which makes us able to comprehend god. unfortunately this has given us superiority feelings on all life which i think is wrong.

anyways, Why is it acceptable to eat a chicken which has been reared in a cage, in its own faeces, fattened up with unhealthy artificial foods and then slaughtered to be served for your meal. but not acceptable to kill and eat a pig. what is the difference? both are living organisms being killed.

And i think religion can be very logical and rational. i think its illogical to just accept meaningless traditions/rituals in the hope of progressing spiritually, i wthout understanding the meaning behind doing it. anyways these are just my thoughts, i dont think you are going to agree, and thats your god given right.

[TheLoneAvenger]

but that path to disbelief leads to becoming a non-Muslim that is "rational" in thinking. a religion in which questioning is discouraged, infact even punishable, is irrational by default.

It's because a person can question every single facet of Islam, or any religion for that matter. There's no way to get justifications other than through the Quran and Hadith. So basically, it becomes circular.

"Why do we need to pray 5 times a day?"

"Well, it says so in the Quran and Hadith"

"But why?"

"Because God commanded it"

"But why?"

It's a never ending circle. This isn't something that can be tested or concretely answered. For example:

"I have HIV"

"Okay, you need to take AZT and some other theraputic drugs."

"Why?"

"Well, it has been shown to decrease viral loads and lead to an increased life span"

"Okay"

I know the examples, kind of weird, and I'm not sure it makes complete sense, but it's the best I can come up with on a whim.

It just comes down to, one either accepts the religion or they don't. It's blind faith and for many that's fine while for other's it isn't. There isn't any compulsion in Islamic beliefs so a person is free to do what they want.

[NumbaOneStunna]

And i think religion can be very logical and rational.
really?
i think religion by its very nature is irrational

[malkeet]

really?
i think religion by its very nature is irrational

what is irrational to you?..il shall see if i can rationalise it

[Clueless_uk]

Was just breifly reading this page.

Islam does encourage you to question as it allows you to gain more knowledge....and Islam holds education with high regards.

What I beleive it discourages you from doing is questioning what you don't have the power to understand at this moment in time.

The way I deal with it is...if something does not make sense to me..it is prolly because I don't yet have the wisdom to understand it...so I will think...is the rule overly unbearble? Will it cause harm or benefit? If the benefit outweighs the disadvantages...then surely I can deal with it if everything else in the religion is making sense to me.

We need to question rules to understand...but if we keep qustioning what we know we can't understand it is pointless - this is what we are discouraged from doing...eg Is there such thing as a God? You cannot prove it. So really you can't beleive in any religion if you ask only that question alone. But the Qur'an...Bible...ect suddenly makes sense to you...so what do you want to beleive?

Depending on what questions you ask...u can either make or break your beleifs.

ps I prolly dnt make sense...my thoughts are all over the place

[NumbaOneStunna]

what is irrational to you?..il shall see if i can rationalise it
the very idea of God or a higher being etc etc, its very irrational
There is another thread about atheism already though

[malkeet]

the very idea of God or a higher being etc etc, its very irrational
There is another thread about atheism already though

why is it irrational. Throughout the era of man, races across the world have worshipped a higher being. There methods of worship/beliefs have differed, however they have still all worshipped god. Now, explain to me logically and rationally, how this could have occurred? and why did it occur? much of the worlds civilisations were unkown to each other. The logical explanation would be that there is infact a higher being, whom has passed knowledge of his existance to these civilisations, through enlightened individuals.

Near death experiences and out of body experiences are frequently reported, which strongly suggest that there is a soul and there is an afterlife.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1685311.stm

Ghosts/angels are also proof that there is an afterlife.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=445728&in_page_id=1811

Now with all this i think its illogical to believe that a god doesnt exist.
i think that because this world revolves around death, human minds cant comprehend that our soul is essentially eternal

[NumbaOneStunna]

its human nature to use a higher power to explain something they cant explain otherwise.

ANd giving me links to people's tales about out of body experiences and ghosts, please man people claim to have seen bigfoot, yeti, dragons etc etc, doesnt mean they all exist.

At some point you have to take the leap of blind faith if you want to believe in religion. Some people do some dont, thats all

ANyways lets stop this discussion now if this is all you have

[TheLoneAvenger]

At some point you have to make the leap of blind faith if you want to believe in religion. Some people do some dont, thats all


This is correct.

[malkeet]

its human nature to use a higher power to explain something they cant explain otherwise..

Human nature, like all lifeforms is to survive. Survival of the fittest is how nature operates. To do this we have adapted to our environments across the world, and we have used our intelligence to use our surroundings/tools for our advantage. What survival advantage is there in creating a higher being to worship? Doing so doesnt bring us food, doesnt protect us physically from an enemy killing us. What has happened as that as our minds have developed, certain individuals have acquired a hightened sense of awareness where they are able to comprehend god.


ANd giving me links to people's tales about out of body experiences and ghosts, please man people claim to have seen bigfoot, yeti, dragons etc etc, doesnt mean they all exist.

Reputable studies are being conducted in hospitals across the country looking into out of body experiences, and near death experiences from patients. I had previously read the story in the guardian newspaper, unfortuantaly i dont have it so i gave u a link with a similar story. Even respected members of the public, such as barristers, police officers, health care professionals have had such experiences.


At some point you have to make the leap of blind faith if you want to believe in religion. Some people do some dont, thats all

You are only blind if you choose not to listen. If you are truly 100% certain that there is no god, that when you die thats it, then thats your own choice. But you are unable to give me any sufficient counter argument. How did all these religions get set up across the world? Why do people in even the most remote places believe in a god. How are these near death experiences explainable?

[Saraceni]

hmm... wierd
with ur language
u still call urself
muslim

[NumbaOneStunna]

hmm... wierd
with ur language
u still call urself
muslim
are you by any chance talking to me?

oh and malkeet this argument is going nowhere so lets just drop it, sorry for making you type all that

[baby_gal_naz]

:no:

[x_xamzx_x]

muslim or not muslim, i dont know why anyone would wanna eat pork/bacon anyway, it just looks vile :ugh::ugh:

[Saraceni]

are you by any chance talking to me?

oh and malkeet this argument is going nowhere so lets just drop it, sorry for making you type all that

no lad, i was talking to the lass that started this thread.

[zuiwaziri]

I dont understand how u cud eat an animal tht eats its own shit :dunno:

I may do alotta Kanjar type things, but Pork wont ever be one. Even if i wasnt Muslim, i still wudnt eat tht foul, disgusting creature :ugh:

[Saraceni]

muslim or not muslim, i dont know why anyone would wanna eat pork/bacon anyway, it just looks vile :ugh::ugh:

come to think of it, i never had a biology teacher/professor who ate pork.
none were muslim.

[x_xamzx_x]

I dont understand how u cud eat an animal tht eats its own shit :dunno:

I may do alotta Kanjar type things, but Pork wont ever be one. Even if i wasnt Muslim, i still wudnt eat tht foul, disgusting creature :ugh:
werrdd

[Clueless_uk]

I dont understand how u cud eat an animal tht eats its own shit :dunno:

I may do alotta Kanjar type things, but Pork wont ever be one. Even if i wasnt Muslim, i still wudnt eat tht foul, disgusting creature :ugh:

It's funny because my colleague didn't know pigs literally would eat anything they are given....I told her that was the reason why we didn't eat it. Since then..she has not touched any bacon rolls.

[x_xamzx_x]

come to think of it, i never had a biology teacher/professor who ate pork.
none were muslim.
alot of my white friends eat it, it make me reek just seeing that stuff :neutral:

[Saraceni]

what about a monkey, would you consider eating one?
believe it or not i work with a fella who salivates whenever a monkey is mentioned.

[kashif1986]

its a common thing these days. Muslims are drinking alcohol and thinking theyre not doing anything wrong. they also eat non-halal meat and thinking its ok to do so.

What u can do is tell them that wat theyre doing is wrong in islam and help them follow the right path.

[x_xamzx_x]

what about a monkey, would you consider eating one?
believe it or not i work with a fella who salivates whenever a monkey is mentioned.
lmao, monkeys are annoying lil shits
have you watched night at the museum? :lol:

[Saraceni]

kafish, well said

lmao, monkeys are annoying lil shits
have you watched night at the museum? :lol:

lol no, i wanted to but never got to it.

[jat_jatt_sardar]

what kinda excuse is can't live witout it, are they gonna die if they don't? :sarb: :sarb: :sarb: :sarb: :sarb: :sarb: :sarb:

[Saraceni]

no idea jat, perhaps commit suicide

[NumbaOneStunna]

It's funny because my colleague didn't know pigs literally would eat anything they are given....I told her that was the reason why we didn't eat it. Since then..she has not touched any bacon rolls.
well for the sake of argument would you eat bacon if it came from a healthy pig that has only been fed good food and has not been allowed to eat its own or anybody else's shit?

[kashif1986]

kafish, well said


lol no, i wanted to but never got to it.


kafish? :neutral:

[baby khan]

well the thapar was a little too much... but it has made u stay away from pork (hopefully) so i guess the thappar worked.
yes the thapar did work..and ima veggie so no meat etc...:blahblah:lol

[Saraceni]

kafish? :neutral:


forgive me kashif, i'm an insomniac.

[kashif1986]

forgive me kashif, i'm an insomniac.

its ok. i thought u were someone else for a second there

[Saraceni]

lol who, or should i better not ask

[Clueless_uk]

well for the sake of argument would you eat bacon if it came from a healthy pig that has only been fed good food and has not been allowed to eat its own or anybody else's shit?

No...and that is a religious decision.

[kashif1986]

lol who, or should i better not ask
someone on another forum, who keeps on calling me kafish at times

[Saraceni]

i c

[jafferman]

id never eat pork

[NumbaOneStunna]

No...and that is a religious decision.
well i thought this is what you said


It's funny because my colleague didn't know pigs literally would eat anything they are given....I told her that was the reason why we didn't eat it. Since then..she has not touched any bacon rolls.

[Clueless_uk]

well i thought this is what you said



I first told her it was against my religion...she then asked why...so I gave her a reason she would understand....but whether the pig is clean or not..I would beleive Islam forbids it regardless.

And my other point is...a pig is not the last thing on earth left to eat....and that is the only circumstances under which it can be eaten.

[NumbaOneStunna]

I first told her it was against my religion...she then asked why...so I gave her a reason she would understand....but whether the pig is clean or not..I would beleive Islam forbids it regardless.

And my other point is...a pig is not the last thing on earth left to eat....and that is the only circumstances under which it can be eaten.
okay so you dont really know why its prohibited in Islam, if you dont know then you shouldnt be making up explanations, islam prohibits that as well

[RL_RHCP]

LOL well meat is meat at the end of the day, yes I as a Hindu do not eat beef and not even beef gelatine but I eat pork and find no problem in doing so.... (I therefore can understand why believers of Islam do not eat pork)

When im eating bacon and my muslim friend went eurgh I thought what the hell, I dont eat sausages coz thats just gross but there is nowt wrong with bacon.

I find it really offensive when people who call themselves muslim and strong believers go ahead and pick and choose bits of Islam to follow....

In all religions there are hypocrits but I cant see why people on RD (come on ur ON RD for gods sake) are making such a big deal about pork.

Is it not also haram to have boyfriends before marriage, yet all of you bloody flirt with eachother....fair enough its harmless but then y make a deal about one aspect ie pork and not about boyfriends and girlfriends

At the end of the day Im sure there are right and wrong things in Islam, If ur a believer then fair enough I respect your opinions your views, but those of you that pick and choose which parts of Islam to follow....and even think about whats more haram then something else need to get a reality check

Isnt Islam a way of life...follow or dont follow, but dont flirt (haram) and then say eurgh pork is haram coz thats just whack!

And another thing wats with shisha, UR STILL INHALIN SUBSTANCES that werent in ur body before, oh its got a little bit of nicotine, better than smoking, its just flavouring....THEN WHY THE BLOODY HELL DO IT???!!!

:mad:

[x_xamzx_x]

LOL well meat is meat at the end of the day, yes I as a Hindu do not eat beef and not even beef gelatine but I eat pork and find no problem in doing so.... (I therefore can understand why believers of Islam do not eat pork)

When im eating bacon and my muslim friend went eurgh I thought what the hell, I dont eat sausages coz thats just gross but there is nowt wrong with bacon.

I find it really offensive when people who call themselves muslim and strong believers go ahead and pick and choose bits of Islam to follow....

In all religions there are hypocrits but I cant see why people on RD (come on ur ON RD for gods sake) are making such a big deal about pork.

Is it not also haram to have boyfriends before marriage, yet all of you bloody flirt with eachother....fair enough its harmless but then y make a deal about one aspect ie pork and not about boyfriends and girlfriends

At the end of the day Im sure there are right and wrong things in Islam, If ur a believer then fair enough I respect your opinions your views, but those of you that pick and choose which parts of Islam to follow....and even think about whats more haram then something else need to get a reality check

Isnt Islam a way of life...follow or dont follow, but dont flirt (haram) and then say eurgh pork is haram coz thats just whack!

And another thing wats with shisha, UR STILL INHALIN SUBSTANCES that werent in ur body before, oh its got a little bit of nicotine, better than smoking, its just flavouring....THEN WHY THE BLOODY HELL DO IT???!!!

:mad:
shut up

[NumbaOneStunna]

LOL well meat is meat at the end of the day, yes I as a Hindu do not eat beef and not even beef gelatine but I eat pork and find no problem in doing so.... (I therefore can understand why believers of Islam do not eat pork)

When im eating bacon and my muslim friend went eurgh I thought what the hell, I dont eat sausages coz thats just gross but there is nowt wrong with bacon.

I find it really offensive when people who call themselves muslim and strong believers go ahead and pick and choose bits of Islam to follow....

In all religions there are hypocrits but I cant see why people on RD (come on ur ON RD for gods sake) are making such a big deal about pork.

Is it not also haram to have boyfriends before marriage, yet all of you bloody flirt with eachother....fair enough its harmless but then y make a deal about one aspect ie pork and not about boyfriends and girlfriends

At the end of the day Im sure there are right and wrong things in Islam, If ur a believer then fair enough I respect your opinions your views, but those of you that pick and choose which parts of Islam to follow....and even think about whats more haram then something else need to get a reality check

Isnt Islam a way of life...follow or dont follow, but dont flirt (haram) and then say eurgh pork is haram coz thats just whack!

And another thing wats with shisha, UR STILL INHALIN SUBSTANCES that werent in ur body before, oh its got a little bit of nicotine, better than smoking, its just flavouring....THEN WHY THE BLOODY HELL DO IT???!!!

:mad:
your logic is flawed, according to you if someone flirts on here they might as well go commit murder since both are against islam. One should always follow as much as they possibly can and strive for even more but just because you slip up in one area doesnt mean you should give up islam or any religion completely.

[chutney whore]

aren't muslim :idea:

[Bilaah]

eating pork isnt as bad as drinking is it? im not sure

Anything that intoxicates the body or forbidden to eat is as bad as each other, If you die in that state that your body still has elements of haram in you...There's only one place your going and thats HELL!

This is a religious fact!

[chutney whore]

I find it really offensive when people who call themselves muslim and strong believers go ahead and pick and choose bits of Islam to follow....


I didnt read all the other shizzy but that stood out

[RL_RHCP]

your logic is flawed, according to you if someone flirts on here they might as well go commit murder since both are against islam. One should always follow as much as they possibly can and strive for even more but just because you slip up in one area doesnt mean you should give up islam or any religion completely.

Hmmm no Im just sayin stop picking and choosing, for some bizarre reason ppl say that Allah forgives, and when you die and at judgement day if you answer the three questions...ur plain sailing

I just think that because dating is against a fundamental its pretty bad...If you date and you then say oh why do people eat pork or drink then thats lame

I agree flawed ...I'll restate No do not give up religion when you make a mistake...just dont be hypocritical about it all

[RL_RHCP]

shut up

guilty :p :rolleyes:

[RL_RHCP]

I didnt read all the other shizzy but that stood out

fo sho ! :p

u gets me....

[WildWolfdog]

Recently I was talking to this guy, he's pagan, he was talking to me and this other paki girl. He then asks "Is it you guys that aren't allowed to eat pork?" and I am like yeah it is. And then the paki girl turns around and goes "But I eat it anyways, even though its against my religion, its sooooooooooooooooo tasty! i can't live without it" and I'm like. WTF, you still call yourself a Muslim even though you eat pork. I dunno. the way she said it really bugged me stupid bitch!

Fucking disgraceful.

[Bilaah]

By the way dont start having a go at me cos i'll go sick on you! Im only here to share the little bit of knowledge I have, Allah ta'ala is All-Knowing and All Seeing. I'm not preaching to you as my knowledge is limited and I need to act upon all aspect of Islam thoroughly or else I would be a hypocrite.

Peace Out!

[x_xamzx_x]

guilty :p :rolleyes:
i dont eat pork or bacon
and as for the shisha, it dosent really harm you're body so i dont think there is anything wrong in smoking it :arrow:

[TheLoneAvenger]

i dont eat pork or bacon
and as for the shisha, it dosent really harm you're body so i dont think there is anything wrong in smoking it :arrow:

Yeah, I didn't realize smoke was somehow beneficial to human lungs.

Smoke can't possibly lead to COPD, chronic bronchitis etc.

[snak3]

lol i got offered some pork once' on a plane no less.....naturally i turned that shit down.........asked for some chocolate chip cookies instead :)

[RL_RHCP]

i dont eat pork or bacon
and as for the shisha, it dosent really harm you're body so i dont think there is anything wrong in smoking it :arrow:

hmmm but yeh going against another fundamental, if it doesnt do anything....Y DO IT??? :sarb:

[sara khan]

:Puke: pig

[x_xamzx_x]

Yeah, I didn't realize smoke was somehow beneficial to human lungs.

Smoke can't possibly lead to COPD, chronic bronchitis etc.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[NumbaOneStunna]

Hmmm no Im just sayin stop picking and choosing, for some bizarre reason ppl say that Allah forgives, and when you die and at judgement day if you answer the three questions...ur plain sailing

I just think that because dating is against a fundamental its pretty bad...If you date and you then say oh why do people eat pork or drink then thats lame

I agree flawed ...I'll restate No do not give up religion when you make a mistake...just dont be hypocritical about it all
well we all pick and choose, nobody is perfect

[TheLoneAvenger]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Smoke all you want. It's a personal choice, but it's not really honest to say that it has no harmful effects whatsoever.

[WildWolfdog]

i think one should think logically about religion, and question why am i doing this, how will it benefit me spiritually, if one wishes to progress spiritually. With eating meat, an animal is being killed. Even if you are not directly killing it, by eating the flesh i believe you are acquiring the negative spirituality that has come from its death. Now, why are you forbidden from eating pork? but you are allowed to eat all other meat. By islams/christians creationism theory, then all lifeforms are created by god, why would god create one life form lower than any other? I think all life is equal in the eyes of god, however what makes humans special is that through evolution we have acquired intelligence, which makes us able to comprehend god. unfortunately this has given us superiority feelings on all life which i think is wrong.

anyways, Why is it acceptable to eat a chicken which has been reared in a cage, in its own faeces, fattened up with unhealthy artificial foods and then slaughtered to be served for your meal. but not acceptable to kill and eat a pig. what is the difference? both are living organisms being killed.

And i think religion can be very logical and rational. i think its illogical to just accept meaningless traditions/rituals in the hope of progressing spiritually, i wthout understanding the meaning behind doing it. anyways these are just my thoughts, i dont think you are going to agree, and thats your god given right.

Look PETA boy, I think you're getting the reasoning and rationale behind certain obligations mixed up. And for that matter, you don't even have your facts straight.

[RL_RHCP]

well we all pick and choose, nobody is perfect

Nobody is perfect but then why be hypocritical about it

Fair enough free will and all, but then why say pork is haram when you to other things

As far as Im concerned those people who pick and choose have a less valued opinion to me... because obviously they cant decide because OBVIOUSLY nobodys perfect but OBVIOUSLY thats what you call twarped logic :wavey:

[x_xamzx_x]

Smoke all you want. It's a personal choice, but it's not really honest to say that it has no harmful effects whatsoever.
firstly i dont smoke, and ive ony done shisha two times
maybe it is harmful, but not as much as that girl is making it out to be

[TheLoneAvenger]

firstly i dont smoke, and ive ony done shisha two times
maybe it is harmful, but not as much as that girl is making it out to be

Research has shown that it could as harmful as smoking cigarettes.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-28-hookah-trend_x.htm

Just some facts from the article
"a hookah, which is smoked for about 45 minutes, delivers 36 times more tar than a cigarette, 15 times more carbon monoxide and 70% more nicotine.

• A study in the Journal of Periodontology found that water pipes smokers were five times more likely than non-smokers to show signs of gum disease.

• In a June 2004 study, Jane Henley, an epidemiologist at the American Cancer Society, found that men who smoked water pipes had five times the risk of lung cancer as non-smokers. "

[RL_RHCP]

:wavey: firstly i dont smoke, and ive ony done shisha two times
maybe it is harmful, but not as much as that girl is making it out to be

firstly note RL_RHCP 'that girl' is quite dismissive, secondly I do have an opinion its a forum so Im stating it, hun you can argue till the cows come home but it aint gonna change the fact

If ur gonna go against the fundamentals of Islam fair enough, but then dont act all high and mighty where other things are concerned

kthxbye :wavey:

[RL_RHCP]

Research has shown that it could as harmful as smoking cigarettes.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-28-hookah-trend_x.htm

Just some facts from the article
"a hookah, which is smoked for about 45 minutes, delivers 36 times more tar than a cigarette, 15 times more carbon monoxide and 70% more nicotine.

• A study in the Journal of Periodontology found that water pipes smokers were five times more likely than non-smokers to show signs of gum disease.

• In a June 2004 study, Jane Henley, an epidemiologist at the American Cancer Society, found that men who smoked water pipes had five times the risk of lung cancer as non-smokers. "

:thumrigh: nicely done!

[WildWolfdog]

Research has shown that it could as harmful as smoking cigarettes.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-28-hookah-trend_x.htm

Just some facts from the article
"a hookah, which is smoked for about 45 minutes, delivers 36 times more tar than a cigarette, 15 times more carbon monoxide and 70% more nicotine.

• A study in the Journal of Periodontology found that water pipes smokers were five times more likely than non-smokers to show signs of gum disease.

• In a June 2004 study, Jane Henley, an epidemiologist at the American Cancer Society, found that men who smoked water pipes had five times the risk of lung cancer as non-smokers. "

Whoah even I didn't know it was that harmful.

[x_xamzx_x]

Research has shown that it could as harmful as smoking cigarettes.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-28-hookah-trend_x.htm

Just some facts from the article
"a hookah, which is smoked for about 45 minutes, delivers 36 times more tar than a cigarette, 15 times more carbon monoxide and 70% more nicotine.

• A study in the Journal of Periodontology found that water pipes smokers were five times more likely than non-smokers to show signs of gum disease.

• In a June 2004 study, Jane Henley, an epidemiologist at the American Cancer Society, found that men who smoked water pipes had five times the risk of lung cancer as non-smokers. "
hm, i dont know how true those facts are
but i really didnt think it was that harmful :neutral:

[x_xamzx_x]

:wavey:

firstly note RL_RHCP 'that girl' is quite dismissive, secondly I do have an opinion its a forum so Im stating it, hun you can argue till the cows come home but it aint gonna change the fact

If ur gonna go against the fundamentals of Islam fair enough, but then dont act all high and mighty where other things are concerned

kthxbye :wavey:
i dont wanna argue with you love

[NumbaOneStunna]

Nobody is perfect but then why be hypocritical about it

Fair enough free will and all, but then why say pork is haram when you to other things

As far as Im concerned those people who pick and choose have a less valued opinion to me... because obviously they cant decide because OBVIOUSLY nobodys perfect but OBVIOUSLY thats what you call twarped logic :wavey:
haha we all pick and choose so then nobody's opinion should be any good to you, thats perfect

[RL_RHCP]

i dont wanna argue with you love

ok then :arrow: :rambo:






only messing... :p

[hot_psychotic_ar]

A lot of middle eastern people do...(hijabi's that is) *shivers
The word grosses me out


DO they now? I didnt know................ :sarb:

[RL_RHCP]

haha we all pick and choose so then nobody's opinion should be any good to you, thats perfect

woooo hence Im surrounded by blah blah blah (my sig)

we dont all pick and choose, I dunno but Im a Hindu I pray every morning to aarti and listen to chalisas....

a fundamental is that we shouldnt harm any other beings, creatures animals

yet I eat meat, after much deliberation I realised, that although it doesnt STATE anywhere that we cant eat meat it is implied, but then you have to look at culture and not religion, so many years my family have eaten meat and so have surrounding families etc.... I feel like I like meat I shall eat meat...but on religious days ie Navratri (9days) I shall not eat meat, we have canine teeth suggesting our ancestors eat meat

To sum up, we can pick and choose after deliberation, but then not be hypocritical...its the hypocritical element I have a problem with....

[TheLoneAvenger]

Whoah even I didn't know it was that harmful.

Yeah, it is a bit surprising. There's just this general idea that it's a benign activity when in actuality it's basically as harmful as traditional smoking.

[Jumbalaya]

Recently I was talking to this guy, he's pagan, he was talking to me and this other paki girl. He then asks "Is it you guys that aren't allowed to eat pork?" and I am like yeah it is. And then the paki girl turns around and goes "But I eat it anyways, even though its against my religion, its sooooooooooooooooo tasty! i can't live without it" and I'm like. WTF, you still call yourself a Muslim even though you eat pork. I dunno. the way she said it really bugged me stupid bitch!


haha, what a dumb bitch. she obviously isn't muslim if she can't refrain from taking something that is disallowed.

[TheLoneAvenger]

hm, i dont know how true those facts are
but i really didnt think it was that harmful :neutral:

Try pubmed or scholar.google.com

and search for "shisha health effect" or any term that is often used for shisha such as hookah, etc.

There's more research coming out since it has started to become more popular.

[NumbaOneStunna]

Yeah, it is a bit surprising. There's just this general idea that it's a benign activity when in actuality it's basically as harmful as traditional smoking.
i am surprised people dont realise it, cigarettes actually have filters while hookah's dont.

[NumbaOneStunna]

woooo hence Im surrounded by blah blah blah (my sig)

we dont all pick and choose, I dunno but Im a Hindu I pray every morning to aarti and listen to chalisas....

a fundamental is that we shouldnt harm any other beings, creatures animals

yet I eat meat, after much deliberation I realised, that although it doesnt STATE anywhere that we cant eat meat it is implied, but then you have to look at culture and not religion, so many years my family have eaten meat and so have surrounding families etc.... I feel like I like meat I shall eat meat...but on religious days ie Navratri (9days) I shall not eat meat, we have canine teeth suggesting our ancestors eat meat

To sum up, we can pick and choose after deliberation, but then not be hypocritical...its the hypocritical element I have a problem with....
so you eat beef as well then?

[jihadthisfilth]

i am surprised people dont realise it, cigarettes actually have filters while hookah's dont.
doesn't matter. their both haram.

[hot_psychotic_ar]

Hmm..that is fucked up man,for her "not being able to stop eating pork" Anyways Im not ALLAH and therefore cant judge her,cause we all as human and as Muslims do something that is haraam one way or another.

Muslims are forbidden by God to eat the meat of the pig (pork).The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah."

[Al-Qur’an 5:3]


Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases. Although some of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far more predisposed to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

[RL_RHCP]

so you eat beef as well then?

NO :rolleyes: where did I say that...I shall never eat beef, as cows provide us milk before their own, they are nurturing and holy

wat im sayin again is that I dont do things against my religion, but If I did then i wouldnt be hypocritical about others doing something that I do do.

I.e in Islam dating someone, drinking and occasionally shisha and then saying Pork is haram I will never eat it :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Recently I was talking to this guy, he's pagan, he was talking to me and this other paki girl. He then asks "Is it you guys that aren't allowed to eat pork?" and I am like yeah it is. And then the paki girl turns around and goes "But I eat it anyways, even though its against my religion, its sooooooooooooooooo tasty! i can't live without it" and I'm like. WTF, you still call yourself a Muslim even though you eat pork. I dunno. the way she said it really bugged me stupid bitch!

Not upto you to judge anybody as being muslim or not ... leave it to GOD ... she may be eat pork by at the same time might also be doing something really liked by GOD and HE is forgiving her for that .... you never know ...

[vishaalsood]

religion is a man-made concept. I dont think religions shout put rules set down, like dont eat pork or dont eat beef and stuff like that. having faith ina higher being is enough

[soladylike]

What is with the recent influx of religion threads on RD? :sarb:

The way pigs are raised on farms and fed proper food and cooked at certain temperatures, there is a VERY minute chance of getting disease from them. You're more likely to get the Mad Cow disease.
After talking to Imam Zaid Shakir from the Zaytuna Institute, the reason for pork being haram is not because they're unclean and all those age old reasons. It's because pigs have a tendency to eat their own young. It's called "savaging". His last sentence was "you are what you eat" and then he shrugged his shoulders letting us make our own decision about the matter.

[TheLoneAvenger]

What is with the recent influx of religion threads on RD? :sarb:

The way pigs are raised on farms and fed proper food and cooked at certain temperatures, there is a VERY minute chance of getting disease from them. You're more likely to get the Mad Cow disease.


No you aren't.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/epidemiology.htm
"From 1995 through August 2004, 147 human cases of vCJD were reported in the United Kingdom (UK), 7 in France, and 1 each in Canada, Ireland, Italy, and the United States."

-You're more likely to get Yersinia or Trichinosis from eating pork than vCJD.

[JOHNNY K-BAR]

:Puke: pig
Baby gurllllllllllllllllllllllll..YOU ever beento a pig roast?? :yum: SOooo many piggies and i'm not just talking about foooood. :buttsex:

:chew: I loves me some piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig wif some country ass ishtyle spicy bah-bah-que sauce and a nice cold brew :salut:

[soladylike]

No you aren't.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/epidemiology.htm
"From 1995 through August 2004, 147 human cases of vCJD were reported in the United Kingdom (UK), 7 in France, and 1 each in Canada, Ireland, Italy, and the United States."

-You're more likely to get Yersinia or Trichinosis from eating pork than vCJD.

Oh well.
Either way. Not good.

[Clueless_uk]

okay so you dont really know why its prohibited in Islam, if you dont know then you shouldnt be making up explanations, islam prohibits that as well

My memory is a lil rusty....but if you are all that interested look it up - it is haram - meaning Forbiddon...and I was told the reason for it was lack of cleansiness......I know it is haram and only eatible if there is no other source of food...and that much information is enough for me as I have quite a range of food to eat anyway....I only learnt later that pigs eat anything....Somethings in Islam are not given an explanation for....(weather there is a written explantion for not eating pigs I can't remember...and I can't be bothered looking it up)...but new information in this day and age shed a lot of light on why some rules were put in place.

[WildWolfdog]

What is with the recent influx of religion threads on RD? :sarb:

The way pigs are raised on farms and fed proper food and cooked at certain temperatures, there is a VERY minute chance of getting disease from them. You're more likely to get the Mad Cow disease.
After talking to Imam Zaid Shakir from the Zaytuna Institute, the reason for pork being haram is not because they're unclean and all those age old reasons. It's because pigs have a tendency to eat their own young. It's called "savaging". His last sentence was "you are what you eat" and then he shrugged his shoulders letting us make our own decision about the matter.

Yeah, Imam Zaid Shakir > All :rolleyes: . Is he implying that pork-eaters will eat their own? Lol come now, let's not get silly and start exaggerating. It's mostly because the pig is unclean and a lot of other reasons.

[soladylike]

Yeah, Imam Zaid Shakir > All :rolleyes: . Is he implying that pork-eaters will eat their own? Lol come now, let's not get silly and start exaggerating. It's mostly because the pig is unclean and a lot of other reasons.

He didn't say that that was the reason and everyone else is wrong. He just told us everything and then he let us make our own decision. He didn't say THAT is why pork is haram. He said "perhaps that could be why it's haram but Allahu Alim".
His argument was that we've become "piggish" in our behavior. Not that we're going to eat our kids literally. When pigs eat their own kids that shows that they really don't give a shit about their babies and just care about satisfying their own appetite. There is a lack of concern for the safety of their own child, and most animals are very protective of their babies.
Look at how we are now. We don't care about our future generations and how we're leaving the world behind for them. With people just getting ruder and ruder each day, single parent families on the rise, parents caring more about their own personal desires and happiness instead of doing what is good for their children and jumping from one significant other to the next and not caring how the hell that is going to affect their little kid, in other words, there is a lack of concern for the future generations all over the world. We just care about what makes us happy and we don't care how it's going to affect anyone else, even if it's our own kid.
Marriage is considered outdated and backwards. Guys go around impregnating women and then leave them as soon as the baby comes or the girl will get pregnant and then leave the baby with the guy and run off. So many kids don't know who their biological parents are. Kids are getting sexually active at a younger age every day and we're just shrugging it off. And all this has become so common that we don't even bat an eyelash. We think it's the norm.
The world really is getting worse. There is such a lack of simple polite manners and just treating each other with dignity. And we see it on the news everyday. Just listen to those talk radios for awhile and everything isn't pretty and dandy though we certainly like to think it is.

You do know that the way pigs are raised on agricultural farms, the chances of them eating garbage and their own shit is very minute. They're fed proper food and the environment is quite clean. Pretty much the same farm environment that chickens, cows, sheep, goats etc are all raised in. It's not like how it used to be back in the day. If you're going to use the worm argument, then you cook pork properly then it's fine. You cook the pork properly to kill off the worms just like you would cook chicken properly so that you don't get salmonella.

Stop looking at it so superficially. The reasons for being "unclean" that you state for pigs is mostly when pigs are living in the wild. Most of those "unclean" reasons apply to the halal animals as well if you leave them in the wild.

[~CupCake~]

eating pork=drinking alcohol


so anyone here saying its haram... and drink.. they are :nuts: