QUESTION to all the ATHEIST ...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

How did this world/galaxies/universe/w/e come into existence?

This is a serious thread and I'm not attacking atheist believes ... but seriously, I want to know "WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT how it all began" ? ? ?

[nahmate]

science

thread closed

[Spiky]

Guess you havent paid much attention in school. Big Bang retard.

[zardozi]

The Question/
DO you belive in me?

[Spiky]

Well now that we are in this discussion, let me post.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/bizzcrawl/20070115__science_vs_faith.png

And some more aswell.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/bizzcrawl/CreationistRhetoric.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/bizzcrawl/creationistsaredumb.jpg

[Mr_MaSaLa]

science

thread closed


Thats no explanation.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Guess you havent paid much attention in school. Big Bang retard.

So where did the "BIG BANG" material come from in the first place?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

The Question/
DO you belive in me?
NO.

[Spiky]

So where did the "BIG BANG" material come from in the first place?


You mean the enerygy? That is what everyone is trying to answer.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Even though rd is full of atheist ... none have given me any good reasoning but comments full of shit ...

SPIKY - I bet even your grandmother knows about the BIG BANG .... my question was to explain it ...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

You mean the enerygy? That is what everyone is trying to answer.

Yes and NO !

I mean ENERGY and the "matter" that EXPLODED with the "bang"...

WHERE did THAT "matter" come from in the FIRST place ???

[Spiky]

Even though rd is full of atheist ... none have given me any good reasoning but comments full of shit ...

SPIKY - I bet even your grandmother knows about the BIG BANG .... my question was to explain it ...


Thats what I said, not just me, no one knows or can explain to you what exactly happened during the big bang or what caused it you fucking douchebag. So you are harping on the big bang so that you can relate to the existence of god based on an unanswered question?

No one knew what fucking created lightening and dipshits like you were the ones who attributed that to god till it was proved otherwise. Just because its not known doesnt mean god is there fag.

[jumpn jza]

big bang - universe expands - big crunch - big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch ....get the point???

i reckon thats the true meaning of
Brahma - creator
Vishnu - preservation
Shiva -destruction

[SarcasmicBengali]

Even though rd is full of atheist ... none have given me any good reasoning but comments full of shit ...

SPIKY - I bet even your grandmother knows about the BIG BANG .... my question was to explain it ...

are you just trying to use lack of evidence as a basis for disproving a theory....?

if you're so interested... why limit it to just people on RD... why not google it and find out yourself...? :sarb:

[Spiky]

Yes and NO !

I mean ENERGY and the "matter" that EXPLODED with the "bang"...

WHERE did THAT "matter" come from in the FIRST place ???


Firstly, might aswell admit you have no idea about big bang and you are just trolling. Secondly, There was just energy+light which got released after the big bang which later got condensed to matter. Thirdly, read my previous post. No one knows and obviously I am not going to speculate or claim that I know what happened before big bang.

[jihadthisfilth]

Just because its not known doesnt mean god is there fag.
The whole concept of omnipotence has logical flaws.

But whatever man. as long as it makes them happy and turns them into better people leave em bee.

[desi_uk]

The whole concept of omnipotence has logical flaws.

But whatever man. as long as it makes them happy and turns them into better people leave em bee.
how does it have flaws?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Thats what I said, not just me, no one knows or can explain to you what exactly happened during the big bang or what caused it you fucking douchebag. So you are harping on the big bang so that you can relate to the existence of god based on an unanswered question?

No one knew what fucking created lightening and dipshits like you were the ones who attributed that to god till it was proved otherwise. Just because its not known doesnt mean god is there fag.

Ironic how you atheist cry about "evidence! evidence!" all the time and your own most fundamental pillar of belief stands "unanswered" or "That is what everyone is trying to answer" ....

Whereas, when we know our believes fully and are not "trying to answer" anything, you assholes start raising fingers ...

Get your RELIGION straight dickhead before telling me there ain't no GOD.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

big bang - universe expands - big crunch - big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch ....get the point???

i reckon thats the true meaning of
Brahma - creator
Vishnu - preservation
Shiva -destruction

So what are you?

[ssjasper2003]

For anyone who argues it, why dont you just use your religion & PROVE that god made it.

Then we can all accept it & be one religion & kill each other again for no reason.

[zai_alam]

science

thread closed

scientific thought is only the process to make sense of and understand the universe we exist in.

energy, mass and the laws of time existed long before human scientific thought processes came about.

[Spiky]

Ironic how you atheist cry about "evidence! evidence!" all the time and your own most fundamental pillar of belief stands "unanswered" or "That is what everyone is trying to answer" ....

Whereas, when we know our believes fully and are not "trying to answer" anything, you assholes start raising fingers ...

Get your RELIGION straight dickhead before telling me there ain't no GOD.


There is nothing IRONIC about what you said, but rather fucking stupid. Atheistic fundamentals have NOTHING to do with the beginning of the universe retard. Seriously, where the fuck do you guys prop up from? :rofl:

[jumpn jza]

So what are you?

i dont need a religion m8ey



Born a catholic though - so u can see why im not a catholic no more...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Firstly, might aswell admit you have no idea about big bang and you are just trolling. Secondly, There was just energy+light which got released after the big bang which later got condensed to matter. Thirdly, read my previous post. No one knows and obviously I am not going to speculate or claim that I know what happened before big bang.

You are right, I don't know shit about the theory, thats exactly why I made this thread stupid fucker ....

K so, NOW again, WHERE DID THAT LIGHT+ENERGY come from?

[Spiky]

You are right, I don't know shit about the theory, thats exactly why I made this thread stupid fucker ....

K so, NOW again, WHERE DID THAT LIGHT+ENERGY come from?


You are not just a fucking idiot, but a fucking illiterate at that. Read my post again, I said science hasnt advanced enough to fully know what caused it.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

For anyone who argues it, why dont you just use your religion & PROVE that god made it.

Then we can all accept it & be one religion & kill each other again for no reason.

You want PROVE?

I'll give it to you ...

When did this "BIG BANG" theory came into existence?

[SarcasmicBengali]

Ironic how you atheist cry about "evidence! evidence!" all the time and your own most fundamental pillar of belief stands "unanswered" or "That is what everyone is trying to answer" ....

Whereas, when we know our believes fully and are not "trying to answer" anything, you assholes start raising fingers ...

Get your RELIGION straight dickhead before telling me there ain't no GOD.

he didnt say there is no God... read maybe?
lack of evidence itself isn't proof...
Big Bang is based on scientific evidence and everything upto the actual bang has been explained...
so you using the ONE thing they havent YET explained to disprove the entire theory... is kinda narrowminded...

and 2ndly... the entire concept of blind faith is BASED on no evidence and basicaly takin someone's word to base all one's beliefs on...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

There is nothing IRONIC about what you said, but rather fucking stupid. Atheistic fundamentals have NOTHING to do with the beginning of the universe retard. Seriously, where the fuck do you guys prop up from? :rofl:

K fine, but you follow some theory that is STILL yet not fully developed ... its just shows your intellectual hypocrisy when you stupid fuckers keep asking for "evidence!" from theists.

[jihadthisfilth]

how does it have flaws?
Can god erect a building so tall even he cannot fly above it?

[SarcasmicBengali]

Can god erect a building so tall even he cannot fly above it?

can God make it so dark that even He cant see through it....? :sarb:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

You are not just a fucking idiot, but a fucking illiterate at that. Read my post again, I said science hasnt advanced enough to fully know what caused it.

LOL - You are pissed off just like an theists would be if I would diss his/her belief ...

Anyways, ok, so you belief in a THEORY ... which could or could not be true

[Felonius Monk]

i created it n00b

[desi_uk]

Can god erect a building so tall even he cannot fly above it?
yes he can but be more specific

[Spiky]

K fine, but you follow some theory that is STILL yet not fully developed ... its just shows your intellectual hypocrisy when you stupid fuckers keep asking for "evidence!" from theists.


Scientific process isnt all that complicated if you knew. You obviously havent fucking paid attention to that picture I posted earlier. Let me post again. But this time pay attention and you might just answer your own fucking question.


http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/bizzcrawl/20070115__science_vs_faith.png

[Mr_MaSaLa]

he didnt say there is no God... read maybe?
lack of evidence itself isn't proof...
Big Bang is based on scientific evidence and everything upto the actual bang has been explained...
so you using the ONE thing they havent YET explained to disprove the entire theory... is kinda narrowminded...

and 2ndly... the entire concept of blind faith is BASED on no evidence and basicaly takin someone's word to base all one's beliefs on...

Right, i'm really narrowminded....

Well, I DON'T have blind faith ... I learnt about this "BIG BANG" not from any scientific book but from the QURAN.... writing 1500 years ago almost

[SarcasmicBengali]

You are right, I don't know shit about the theory, thats exactly why I made this thread stupid fucker ....

K so, NOW again, WHERE DID THAT LIGHT+ENERGY come from?

if you're so honestly interested and not just tryin to incite shit...
then why not do your own research...

here... allow me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang

[jumpn jza]

Well now that we are in this discussion, let me post.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/bizzcrawl/20070115__science_vs_faith.png



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Can god erect a building so tall even he cannot fly above it?


IS YOU MOTHER STILL IN JAIL?

YES or NO only

[Spiky]

LOL - You are pissed off just like an theists would be if I would diss his/her belief ...

Anyways, ok, so you belief in a THEORY ... which could or could not be true


LMAO. Dipshit, I believe in science not a fucking theory :rofl: See.....Your excellent knowledge in your religious books and total lack of knowledge in science has rendered you into a fucking retard, which unfortunately is the fucking condition of all of the dipshits on this site. Fucking 20 yr olds who have no clue about how science works and jack off to their fucking gods at night.

I AM OUT!

[Mr_MaSaLa]

can God make it so dark that even He cant see through it....? :sarb:

As I asked the other dude,

IS YOUR MOTHER STILL IN JAIL?

Yes or NO only !

[jihadthisfilth]

yes he can but be more specific
hahaha
you are a moron. You cannot say yes to that and yet still believe god is all powerful...
That is what we call a paradox.

[Spiky]

IS YOU MOTHER STILL IN JAIL?

YES or NO only


Your Mohammed would have been awesomely proud of that post. :rofl:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

if you're so honestly interested and not just tryin to incite shit...
then why not do your own research...

here... allow me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang

I am interested in getting YOUR (atheist) views .... I know where to fucking research ... .thanx

[jihadthisfilth]

IS YOU MOTHER STILL IN JAIL?

YES or NO only
She's sleeping in the next room.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Your Mohammed would have been awesomely proud of that post. :rofl:

The question is just as illogical as the one asked by him/her ...

[Spiky]

Right, i'm really narrowminded....

Well, I DON'T have blind faith ... I learnt about this "BIG BANG" not from any scientific book but from the QURAN.... writing 1500 years ago almost


Yeah and fucking Nostradamus fucking foretold the Sept 11. Either your religion is promoting retardedness as fucking generations go by or its the fucking opposite. :rofl:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

She's sleeping in the next room.

I said "YES or NO" dumbass ...

Your question "can GOD build ..." was just as illogical as the one I asked you....

[Spiky]

The question is just as illogical as the one asked by him/her ...


You would have only known why he asked such a question if you had any fucking brains, mullah.

[SarcasmicBengali]

LOL - You are pissed off just like an theists would be if I would diss his/her belief ...

Anyways, ok, so you belief in a THEORY ... which could or could not be true

if you understood anything about anything...
then you would realize that scientific theory is based on observation and experiments to prove/disprove certain theories... as the model that was posted before shows...
not based on writings passed down from generation to generation...

science is objective enough to know that what's true at one time, can be disproven as technology, and the realms of understand the universe grow over time...
so they won't claim to know something, like what happened before the big bang... unless they can prove it...

where as religion holds onto things that were written or claimed thousands of years ago... w/out any kind of questioning whether those statements are factual or not...
and makes claims facts without any sort of evidence to back it up... i.e. concept of blind faith.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Yeah and fucking Nostradamus fucking foretold the Sept 11. Either your religion is promoting retardedness as fucking generations go by or its the fucking opposite. :rofl:

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit of creation, before We clove them asunder?" (Ch:21,Ver:30)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

[desi_uk]

hahaha
you are a moron. You cannot say yes to that and yet still believe god is all powerful...
That is what we call a paradox.
i just said yes and that was a weak example why would God want to erect a tall building then fly over it?

[SarcasmicBengali]

Right, i'm really narrowminded....

Well, I DON'T have blind faith ... I learnt about this "BIG BANG" not from any scientific book but from the QURAN.... writing 1500 years ago almost

ok... and what did you learn about the Big Bang from the Quran...?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

ok... and what did you learn about the Big Bang from the Quran...?

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit of creation, before We clove them asunder?" (Ch:21,Ver:30)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Perhaps when studing BIG BANG ... you missed "this" part

[Mr_MaSaLa]

SPIKY - You did nothing but talk a lot of SHIT ... which I can understand ...

Your reasonings for being an atheist are just as pathetic as a 20-year-old shitting in his pants ...

I suggest you try to find some "EVIDENCE" for your little "unanswered" theory !

[Mr_MaSaLa]

ok... and what did you learn about the Big Bang from the Quran...?

....?

[ezbreezyfresh]

who gives a fuck? why do people stress out about shit like this..there are more important things to worry about than about how the universe started etc... :rolleyes:

[Spiky]

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit of creation, before We clove them asunder?" (Ch:21,Ver:30)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang


again, those verses mean zilch. Because, you are deriving interpretations from these verses to suit what happened according to "TODAY'S STANDARDS", which might change as science evolves and so would your verse meanings....which obviously you will smartly fend off saying that those were translated from arabic or whatever language you say.

If you claim your religion is so fucking great that it has a fucking solution and answer to everything? Why hasnt your religion given anything to science? All Islam does is leech off scientific advances while it dumbs its own people. There has been no fucking scientific breakthrough from the middle east, since.....since fucking science was "invented".....and all this from supposedly a place where GOD wrote down everything and anything. :rofl:

[Spiky]

SPIKY - You did nothing but talk a lot of SHIT ... which I can understand ...

Your reasonings for being an atheist are just as pathetic as a 20-year-old shitting in his pants ...

I suggest you try to find some "EVIDENCE" for your little "unanswered" theory !

Common sense > You.

[desi_uk]

who gives a fuck? why do people stress out about shit like this..there are more important things to worry about than about how the universe started etc... :rolleyes:
i agree people just like to argue ecspecially on rd lol

[SarcasmicBengali]

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit of creation, before We clove them asunder?" (Ch:21,Ver:30)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Perhaps when studing BIG BANG ... you missed "this" part

"The Big Bang, a scientific theory, is not based on any religion."

i guess you missed this...?

or this...
"A number of Christian and traditional Jewish sources have accepted the Big Bang as a possible description of the origin of the universe, interpreting it to allow for a philosophical first cause. Pope Pius XII was an enthusiastic proponent of the Big Bang even before the theory was scientifically well-established and consequently the Roman Catholic Church has been a prominent advocate for the idea that creation ex nihilo can be interpreted as consistent with the Big Bang. This view is shared by many religious Jews in all branches of rabbinic Judaism."[/QUOTE]

i guess according to you... certain Christian and Jewish branches and the Pope all subscrib to the atheist school of thought?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

again, those verses mean zilch. Because, you are deriving interpretations from these verses to suit what happened according to "TODAY'S STANDARDS", which might change as science evolves and so would your verse meanings....which obviously you will smartly fend off saying that those were translated from arabic or whatever language you say.

If you claim your religion is so fucking great that it has a fucking solution and answer to everything? Why hasnt your religion given anything to science? All Islam does is leech off scientific advances while it dumbs its own people. There has been no fucking scientific breakthrough from the middle east, since.....since fucking science was "invented".....and all this from supposedly a place where GOD wrote down everything and anything. :rofl:

:p :p :p

Now I see how pathetic and close-minded you are ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_astronomy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_medicine


... I CAN GO ON FOREVER ! ! ! ! ! !

[Spiky]

who gives a fuck? why do people stress out about shit like this..there are more important things to worry about than about how the universe started etc... :rolleyes:


yeah, why worry about fucking science and universe when we can fucking jack off to god coz he is the only thing which matters.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

"The Big Bang, a scientific theory, is not based on any religion."

i guess you missed this...?

or this...
"A number of Christian and traditional Jewish sources have accepted the Big Bang as a possible description of the origin of the universe, interpreting it to allow for a philosophical first cause. Pope Pius XII was an enthusiastic proponent of the Big Bang even before the theory was scientifically well-established and consequently the Roman Catholic Church has been a prominent advocate for the idea that creation ex nihilo can be interpreted as consistent with the Big Bang. This view is shared by many religious Jews in all branches of rabbinic Judaism."

i guess according to you... certain Christian and Jewish branches and the Pope all subscrib to the atheist school of thought?[/QUOTE]

You can now STOP jerking off ...

tsk tsk tsk ... missed the point completely ...

Fuck all that ... WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT "this" VERSE?

[zai_alam]

again, those verses mean zilch. Because, you are deriving interpretations from these verses to suit what happened according to "TODAY'S STANDARDS", which might change as science evolves and so would your verse meanings....which obviously you will smartly fend off saying that those were translated from arabic or whatever language you say.

If you claim your religion is so fucking great that it has a fucking solution and answer to everything? Why hasnt your religion given anything to science? All Islam does is leech off scientific advances while it dumbs its own people. There has been no fucking scientific breakthrough from the middle east, since.....since fucking science was "invented".....and all this from supposedly a place where GOD wrote down everything and anything. :rofl:

you are joking, right?

:lol:


http://www.1001inventions.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewSection&intSectionID=309

just an example.

[Spiky]

:p :p :p

Now I see how pathetic and close-minded you are ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_astronomy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_medicine


... I CAN GO ON FOREVER ! ! ! ! ! !



LMAO....:rofl: * BILLION. List of Islamic scientists from the start of the religion, that is fucking 1400 years of awesome scientific contribution from middle east by a list of people who dont even fill up half a page....which includes all the fucking professions involved, evar....WOW....you sure did prove a point. That point being MINE. :rofl:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

you are joking, right?

:lol:

He is WAY too educated ... don't mess with his brains, motherfucker can electricute you with it !

[Spiky]

you are joking, right?

:lol:


No I am not. India has produced more scientists and mathematicians than all of the Islamic/Middle east countries combined. :rofl:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

LMAO....:rofl: * BILLION. List of Islamic scientists from the start of the religion, that is fucking 1400 years of awesome scientific contribution from middle east by a list of people who dont even fill up half a page....which includes all the fucking professions involved, evar....WOW....you sure did prove a point. That point being MINE. :rofl:

Well you can stop humping on THAT particular page but what about the rest dickhead?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

No I am not. India has produced more scientists and mathematicians than all of the Islamic/Middle east countries combined. :rofl:

India has also produce more homosexuals infected with AIDS than all of the fuckin world ....

[Spiky]

Well you can stop humping on THAT particular page but what about the rest dickhead?


Dude......I cant get over it.:rofl:


1400 yrs and you have produced 20 odd supposed scientists whose names no one fucking knows.....Wonder what was their contribution that they got mentioned....maybe they invented a safe path only for muslims to get to heaven or some. :rofl:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Well, I really did want to know yaa'llz point of view ... but I can see how your fucking theory is fucked up just like yaa'll.... GO FUCK YOUR MOTHER IN HER ASS SPIKY ... there ain't no written law saying that shit is IMMORAL mothafucker!

[Spiky]

India has also produce more homosexuals infected with AIDS than all of the fuckin world ....

LMAO @ Butt Hurt comments going personal.

[Felonius Monk]

India has also produce more homosexuals infected with AIDS than all of the fuckin world ....
if i'm not mistaken, AIDS is god's creation. so is kylie minogue. fuck god.

[Spiky]

Well, I really did want to know yaa'llz point of view ... but I can see how your fucking theory is fucked up just like yaa'll.... GO FUCK YOUR MOTHER IN HER ASS SPIKY ... there ain't no written law saying that shit is IMMORAL mothafucker!


I'd rather fuck your sister coz Mohammed said so...Or wait...

[SarcasmicBengali]

again, those verses mean zilch. Because, you are deriving interpretations from these verses to suit what happened according to "TODAY'S STANDARDS", which might change as science evolves and so would your verse meanings....which obviously you will smartly fend off saying that those were translated from arabic or whatever language you say.

If you claim your religion is so fucking great that it has a fucking solution and answer to everything? Why hasnt your religion given anything to science? All Islam does is leech off scientific advances while it dumbs its own people. There has been no fucking scientific breakthrough from the middle east, since.....since fucking science was "invented".....and all this from supposedly a place where GOD wrote down everything and anything. :rofl:

not tryin to get into a Islamic debate.... but for example:
if the word of God or the Quran was so absolute... then why are there different Islamic groups interpreting the word of Islam in various contradicting ways...?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

I'd rather fuck your sister coz Mohammed said so...Or wait...

NAHH .... JUST STICK WITH YOUR MOTHER ....

[Spiky]

NAHH .... JUST STICK WITH YOUR MOTHER ....


NAHHHH....Mohammed did set a fine example by sleeping with a5 yr old chick...I wanna be like him. Who knows one day I will have my own religion just for the fuck of it.

[Space-Cowboy]

How did this world/galaxies/universe/w/e come into existence?

This is a serious thread and I'm not attacking atheist believes ... but seriously, I want to know "WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT how it all began" ? ? ?


You seem to have a serious problem against atheists don't you? Don't worry, I'm not an atheist, but I'll address your post:



The Big Bang [aka initial collision of membranes and subsquent ripples, via M-theory].... but for your purposes, all you need to know is "Big Bang".

What created the 'Bang'?

We don't know, but 'God' isn't a good enough answer.

Because then you have to find the answer to the problem "How did God come into existence?"

And if the answer is that God was always there, then I'm just going to assume that the components that make up the universe was always there in some form or another.

[**bambina**]

everything comes with a BANG.

[zai_alam]

No I am not. India has produced more scientists and mathematicians than all of the Islamic/Middle east countries combined. :rofl:

It's idiotic to just box cultures and civilisations. Truth is, throughout human history it's always been a constant flow and exchange of ideas and their development. At the moment the western world is in the forefront. Maybe in the future the Orientals will be in the forefront :dunno:

[zai_alam]

This thread is getting silly :lol:

[Space-Cowboy]

NAHHHH... it.

:slap:! don't get banned, I'm gonna need you here as support when all the theists start pouncing on me! :p

[jihadthisfilth]

The question is just as illogical as the one asked by him/her ...
Not really. my questions exposes how illogical it is to believe someone can be all powerful.

your question was just a random lameass one with no point.

[jihadthisfilth]

NAHHHH....Mohammed did set a fine example by sleeping with a5 yr old chick...I wanna be like him. Who knows one day I will have my own religion just for the fuck of it.
*9 years old.

;)

[SarcasmicBengali]

i guess according to you... certain Christian and Jewish branches and the Pope all subscrib to the atheist school of thought?

You can now STOP jerking off ...

tsk tsk tsk ... missed the point completely ...

Fuck all that ... WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT "this" VERSE?[/QUOTE]

what do you mean fuck it...??
you're arguing about atheists' beliefs being separate from religious beliefs...
but i just gave you examples where major branches of religions and a religious leader believe in the same thing that atheists believe...

see thats the kind of thing spiky's talking about... religious people use statements and claims made thousands of years ago to support questions and doubts of today ...
where as science responds to questions today using facts that have been tested and proven... by going back and re evaluating age old claims...

[Spiky]

It's idiotic to just box cultures and civilisations. Truth is, throughout human history it's always been a constant flow and exchange of ideas and their development. At the moment the western world is in the forefront. Maybe in the future the Orientals will be in the forefront :dunno:


Fact is, there has been no contribution from the middle east. Point me to 5 discoveries in the latest century which we should be fucking greatfull for to them? You wouldnt be able to.

[Space-Cowboy]

It's idiotic to just box cultures and civilisations. Truth is, throughout human history it's always been a constant flow and exchange of ideas and their development. At the moment the western world is in the forefront. Maybe in the future the Orientals will be in the forefront :dunno:


Pre 1000 C.E. the SubContinent and the Orient actually were in the forefront.. and we see today things are slowly coming back around full circle.....



But in terms of Europe, I don't think anything, up until the Renaissance, even came remotely close to the Greeks and Romans.

[Spiky]

:slap:! don't get banned, I'm gonna need you here as support when all the theists start pouncing on me! :p


LOL @ banned. Fucking fagg0t can type shit on my mom, but when I say something which is written in their own books, I get banned? :rofl:

[SarcasmicBengali]

You seem to have a serious problem against atheists don't you? Don't worry, I'm not an atheist, but I'll address your post:



The Big Bang [aka initial collision of membranes and subsquent ripples, via M-theory].... but for your purposes, all you need to know is "Big Bang".

What created the 'Bang'?

We don't know, but 'God' isn't a good enough answer.

Because then you have to find the answer to the problem "How did God come into existence?"

And if the answer is that God was always there, then I'm just going to assume that the components that make up the universe was always there in some form or another.

oh thnk God you're here...!!

*end heroic fanfare...

[Spiky]

Pre 1000 C.E. the SubContinent and the Orient actually were in the forefront.. and we see today things are slowly coming back around full circle.....



But in terms of Europe, I don't think anything, up until the Renaissance, even came remotely close to the Greeks and Romans.


Indian continent has always been a great contributor to science....back when Islam wasnt even invented and even now.

[SarcasmicBengali]

This thread is getting silly :lol:

not anymore now that the COWBOY is here...

*insert cheesy western theme here... :dance3:

[Space-Cowboy]

Indian continent has always been a great contributor to science....back when Islam wasnt even invented and even now.


Yea, but I wanted to include China, Japan, and the rest of the Orient along with the SubContinent as well.... all great contributors :p

[Spiky]

Yea, but I wanted to include China, Japan, and the rest of the Orient along with the SubContinent as well.... all great contributors :p



sure. I just wanted to say that middle east isnt involved anytime. :p

[Space-Cowboy]

oh thnk God you're here...!!

*end heroic fanfare...


....... :think: I should leave and see how this all turns out.................

..... kinda like what gods do when they just leave mortals to their own designs.....







Snap! :shock:

[Spiky]

Mr Masala is busy searching Wiki to disprove me, but too bad he cant. :rofl:

[zai_alam]

Fact is, there has been no contribution from the middle east. Point me to 5 discoveries in the latest century which we should be fucking greatfull for to them? You wouldnt be able to.

True. They have become VERY complacent :lol:
Finding oil was the worst thing that happened to the middle east :no:

But during the 'dark ages' in Europe, the Arab world (including southern Spain) was blazing with innovation and progress in the fields of science and mathematics. Without it, the modern scientific world just wouldn't be the same.

[Space-Cowboy]

sure. I just wanted to say that middle east isnt involved anytime. :p
Wellllll..... what about the ancient Persian Empire, back in the days of Zoroastrianism, [Darius, Xerxes, etc.]? ..... man those were some good old days :love:

[foreverconfused]

The impression I've gotten is that the major contribution of the Arab world was preserving Greek and Roman science while Europe was still in its dark ages. In no way did they contribute originally to the same extent as some other parts of the world (ie. Europe)

[jihadthisfilth]

sure. I just wanted to say that middle east isnt involved anytime. :p
but the middle east did used to be involved. it just hasnt after the middle ages.

[Spiky]

True. They have become VERY complacent :lol:
Finding oil was the worst thing that happened to the middle east :no:

But during the 'dark ages' in Europe, the Arab world (including southern Spain) was blazing with innovation and progress in the fields of science and mathematics. Without it, the modern scientific world just wouldn't be the same.


Progress was imminent back then. There was just a clash of way too many cultures who had shared so many technologies that new shit had to be invented. I am talking purely of the last 250 years. You claim that your religion has the answer to everything in Quran and you obviously dont agree with me when I say that Islam dumbs people down....so I am asking you to show me significant contributions in the last 250 yrs.

[Space-Cowboy]

We're getting offtopic, the point is 'God'..... in there is one, It most likely doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity in general.

[foreverconfused]

And btw, the criticism of atheists is pretty lame. None of the believers on this site will be able to provide solid proof that a conscious being was responsible for the big bang.

[jumpn jza]

We're getting offtopic, the point is 'God'..... in there is one, It most likely doesn't give a flying fuck about humanity in general.

yo space this is a bit random..what kind of indian are you?? - like where from??

[zai_alam]

Pre 1000 C.E. the SubContinent and the Orient actually were in the forefront.. and we see today things are slowly coming back around full circle.....



But in terms of Europe, I don't think anything, up until the Renaissance, even came remotely close to the Greeks and Romans.

Islamic scientific advancement gave birth to the european renaissance.

Greek philosophy gave birth to islamic/arab scientific and mathematical innovation and advancement.

and so on...

It's always been an flow of ideas between human beings.

[Space-Cowboy]

yo space this is a bit random..what kind of indian are you?? - like where from??


I'm not human. I'm from a distant planet.

[Spiky]

All you religious fundies should fucking hate Mr Masala for starting this thread, not me. He started what he couldnt back it up.

[SarcasmicBengali]

....... :think: I should leave and see how this all turns out.................

..... kinda like what gods do when they just leave mortals to their own designs.....







Snap! :shock:

well it'll be like how it was before u came...
a flurry of personal attacks, swear-offs, and everything NOT relating to the original topic... :|


and at the last thing u said... :no:

[Space-Cowboy]

And btw, the criticism of atheists is pretty lame. None of the believers on this site will be able to provide solid proof that a conscious being was responsible for the big bang.


:love: Shall I post Dawkins quotes in this thread? :p

[Space-Cowboy]

well it'll be like how it was before u came...
a flurry of personal attacks, swear-offs, and everything NOT relating to the original topic... :|


and at the last thing u said... :no:


hahahahahahahaha

[zai_alam]

Progress was imminent back then. There was just a clash of way too many cultures who had shared so many technologies that new shit had to be invented. I am talking purely of the last 250 years. You claim that your religion has the answer to everything in Quran and you obviously dont agree with me when I say that Islam dumbs people down....so I am asking you to show me significant contributions in the last 250 yrs.

muslims have been asleep for the last 250 :lol:

Islam doesn't dumb people down. People dumb people down.

It's not fair to slag something off when one hasn't taken to time to study and fully understand it :dunno:

[SarcasmicBengali]

muslims have been asleep for the last 250 :lol:

Islam doesn't dumb people down. People dumb people down.
It's not fair to slag something off when one hasn't taken to time to study and fully understand it :dunno:

i'll agree with that...
its not Islam thats responsible for the skewed perception the world has on the religion itself....
its certain Muslims that fuck it up...

[zai_alam]

i'll agree with that...
its not Islam thats responsible for the skewed perception the world has on the religion itself....
its certain Muslims that fuck it up...

exactly.

[jumpn jza]

I'm not human. I'm from a distant planet.

your the funniest nerd on RD !!!...lol

[foreverconfused]

scientific progress took off in europe because of free discussion and open communication between scientists. It took off because people became less dogmatic.

The religious fundamentalism present in many Islamic countries understandably impedes such progress, and is probably one of the reasons why arabs have contributed little in comparson with Europe. If they can find a balance that allows for moderate Islam, scientific progress may take place.

[Felonius Monk]

whats with all the reasonable talk.

[Space-Cowboy]

your the funniest nerd on RD !!!...lol

Dude, I was being serious :|

I'm from Auir, I was sent by my leaders to destroy the Zerg infestation on your planet and then study you humans.


I've already done the first part.... so you don't need to worry about the Zerg attacking your planet any time soon, but I do still need to find out what it is exactly to be 'human'...

[SarcasmicBengali]

hahahahahahahaha

i think mr masala got scurred of you....
he obviously knows of your mag-normous yet bulbous brain like... grey-matter... :|


he must have sum psychological fear of the origins of things space-related...
that or cowboys... :sarb:

[Spiky]

muslims have been asleep for the last 250 :lol:

Islam doesn't dumb people down. People dumb people down.

It's not fair to slag something off when one hasn't taken to time to study and fully understand it :dunno:


You are not grasping my point. Islam concentrates solely on its religion. As far as its concerned, science is invalid. No wonder idiots such as the thread starter or Khanbaba rather fucking believe their Quran than science. And yet they have the fucking nerve to talk shit on those who do believe in it. When I say Islam dumbs people, I mean the religion doctrine and its followers instill that brain wave of thinking. And the result is, middle east being a huge pile of flamingly religious psychotics totally intolerant of others views, forget science. Go God!

[jumpn jza]

Dude, I was being serious :|

I'm from Auir, I was sent by my leaders to destroy the Zerg infestation on your planet and then study you humans.


I've already done the first part.... so you don't need to worry about the Zerg attacking your planet any time soon, but I do still need to find out what it is exactly to be 'human'...

ok dude...your freakin me out...go outside....

[Space-Cowboy]

My point is not that religion itself is the motivation for wars, murders and terrorist attacks, but that religion is the principal label, and the most dangerous one, by which a "they" as opposed to a "we" can be identified at all.-- Richard Dawkins, The Devil's Chaplain (2004)

[Space-Cowboy]

i think mr masala got scurred of you....
he obviously knows of your mag-normous yet bulbous brain like... grey-matter... :|


he must have sum psychological fear of the origins of things space-related...
that or cowboys... :sarb:


Nah man, the real Atheist heroes of this forum are Spiky and SpicyBrownRapper...

[I'd include you, but you said you're agnostic :p ]

[Space-Cowboy]

ok dude...your freakin me out...go outside....


Is it really that hard to believe?






And guys you're missing the point,... this isn't about any ONE religion.... it's on a grander scale...: Theism v.s. Atheism. Irreligion v.s. Religion.

[Space-Cowboy]

God dammit, why is it that a thread dies after I come? :mad:




Anyway, the big question you have to ask yourself is whether you consider 'Atheism' to be "religions of disbelief" as so many people like to believe? [I honestly don't know, I'm asking you].

[SarcasmicBengali]

Nah man, the real Atheist heroes of this forum are Spiky and SpicyBrownRapper...

[I'd include you, but you said you're agnostic :p ]

i am... but i just do support (for lack of a better word) the scientific theories over the alternatives...

[Spiky]

God dammit, why is it that a thread dies after I come? :mad:




Anyway, the big question you have to ask yourself is whether you consider 'Atheism' to be "religions of disbelief" as so many people like to believe? [I honestly don't know, I'm asking you].


That is just stupid. Atheism isn't a religion!

[SarcasmicBengali]

God dammit, why is it that a thread dies after I come? :mad:




Anyway, the big question you have to ask yourself is whether you consider 'Atheism' to be "religions of disbelief" as so many people like to believe? [I honestly don't know, I'm asking you].

personaly i dont... i mean if there wasnt these classifications of 'atheist', 'agnostic' then i doubt i'd be either...
but 'agnostic' is just what seems to best describe my personal views...

similarly... i don't think atheists go around organizing groups separating themselves from theists...
its just a more realistic and practical way of thought rather than the religious views...
the whole concept of 'atheism' is just another way to continue the separation of people based on religious views... even if one doesnt have any.

[Space-Cowboy]

That is just stupid. Atheism isn't a religion!


pssssttt... I'm trying to lure Theists in for round two... you're ruining everything! :squint:


:p

[Space-Cowboy]

i am... but i just do support (for lack of a better word) the scientific theories over the alternatives...


:grouphug:




Oh, and:


I don't think God is an explanation at all. It's simply redescribing the problem.
We are trying to understand how we have got a complicated world, and we have an explanation in terms of a slightly simpler world, and we explain that in terms of a slightly simpler world and it all hangs together down to an ultimately simple world.
Now, God is not an explanation of that kind. God himself cannot be simple if he has power to do all the things he is supposed to do.
-- Richard Dawkins, "Nick Pollard interviews Richard Dawkins" (Damars: 1999) ††

[Mr_MaSaLa]

You seem to have a serious problem against atheists don't you? Don't worry, I'm not an atheist, but I'll address your post:



The Big Bang [aka initial collision of membranes and subsquent ripples, via M-theory].... but for your purposes, all you need to know is "Big Bang".

What created the 'Bang'?

We don't know, but 'God' isn't a good enough answer.

Because then you have to find the answer to the problem "How did God come into existence?"

And if the answer is that God was always there, then I'm just going to assume that the components that make up the universe was always there in some form or another.

You are no theist, just pretending to be one.

[Space-Cowboy]

You are no theist, just pretending to be one.

Yea, you're right, you got me, I'm just pretending to be a Theist so I can fit in. Woe is me.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Not really. my questions exposes how illogical it is to believe someone can be all powerful.

your question was just a random lameass one with no point.

GOD is not in the creation ... you can't compare him to the creation because if you do, questions like the ones you asked would pop up ... which are COMPLETELY illogical.

And I was just showing how stupid your question was .... it trapped the one who was suppose to answer it ...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Yea, you're right, you got me, I'm just pretending to be a Theist so I can fit in. Woe is me.

Nahh, not to fit in ... but to show that "even though I'm a believer, being atheist makes more sense" ...

Secondly, I got none against them atheist ...

I was just asking them a simple question ... where did the BIG BANG shit come from? .... MATTER???? LIGHT???? ENERGY???? all this ... where did all this come from in the first place for the BIG BANG to take place ...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

NAHHHH....Mohammed did set a fine example by sleeping with a5 yr old chick...I wanna be like him. Who knows one day I will have my own religion just for the fuck of it.

At least I won't ever FUCK my MOTHER or SISTER or DAUGHTER or marry any one of'em

[SarcasmicBengali]

Nahh, not to fit in ... but to show that "even though I'm a believer, being atheist makes more sense" ...

Secondly, I got none against them atheist ...

I was just asking them a simple question ... where did the BIG BANG shit come from? .... MATTER???? LIGHT???? ENERGY???? all this ... where did all this come from in the first place for the BIG BANG to take place ...

once again... you're refusing to argue the points based on logic and facts.
you havent yet responded to any of the points brought up by space cowboy or anyone else for that matter...

so why not stick to the facts instead of strayin from the topic...?

[Spiky]

At least I won't ever FUCK my MOTHER or SISTER or DAUGHTER or marry any one of'em


LMAO, you are paki remember. I dont think you are the one who should say "at least" in this context :rofl:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Fact is, there has been no contribution from the middle east. Point me to 5 discoveries in the latest century which we should be fucking greatfull for to them? You wouldnt be able to.

Fact is, there has been European occupation in that part of the land for the last 2 centuries dumbass ... who WERE like animals and treated the occupiers LIKE animals ...

[Mr_MaSaLa]

once again... you're refusing to argue the points based on logic and facts.
you havent yet responded to any of the points brought up by space cowboy or anyone else for that matter...

so why not stick to the facts instead of strayin from the topic...?


What points? I left for 45 minutes ... I just got back ... wait up

[Mr_MaSaLa]

LMAO, you are paki remember. I dont think you are the one who should say "at least" in this context :rofl:

Wow, you are amused to easily ...

[Spiky]

Fact is, there has been European occupation in that part of the land for the last 2 centuries dumbass ... who WERE like animals and treated the occupiers LIKE animals ...


That makes no sense what so ever dumbass.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

LOL @ banned. Fucking fagg0t can type shit on my mom, but when I say something which is written in their own books, I get banned? :rofl:

Why you getting mad if I say shit about your mom ... rmr ur just a fucking coincidence !

[Mr_MaSaLa]

That makes no sense what so ever dumbass.

Cuz you are blind to things you don't wanna make sense out of ...

stupid fucker its simple as A,B,C,D ... those lands were occupied ... they were educated or anything ... they were under oppression like the palestinians right now .... thats why you couldn't see any acheivement from them ...

but look before that you fucking bias clown and you will see a lot of shit ...

[Space-Cowboy]

Nahh, not to fit in ... but to show that "even though I'm a believer, being atheist makes more sense" ...

Secondly, I got none against them atheist ...

I was just asking them a simple question ... where did the BIG BANG shit come from? .... MATTER???? LIGHT???? ENERGY???? all this ... where did all this come from in the first place for the BIG BANG to take place ...


Let's say, just for argument's sake, that the answer is "it came from nothing".... why does that answer bother you?

[Spiky]

Cuz you are blind to things you don't wanna make sense out of ...

stupid fucker its simple as A,B,C,D ... those lands were occupied ... they were educated or anything ... they were under oppression like the palestinians right now .... thats why you couldn't see any acheivement from them ...

but look before that you fucking bias clown and you will see a lot of shit ...

simple as ABCD???? LMAO, so you say all the middle east was under the clutches of the europeans 200 yrs back :rofl: Go and read up on your own history please.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Let's say, just for argument's sake, that the answer is "it came from nothing".... why does that answer bother you?


Because its just as stupid as the theory itself.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

simple as ABCD???? LMAO, so you say all the middle east was under the clutches of the europeans 200 yrs back :rofl: Go and read up on your own history please.

SPIKY - You are one of the most close-minded motherfucker I've come across.

[Mr_MaSaLa]

Let's say, just for argument's sake, that the answer is "it came from nothing".... why does that answer bother you?


...and you still haven't answered me ... ok so you don't know.

[Space-Cowboy]

...and you still haven't answered me ... ok so you don't know.


No, the answer, as it stands for all practical purposes is 'it started on its own'. Which is a far better answer than 'God made it happen'.

[Space-Cowboy]

Because its just as stupid as the theory itself.


The Big Bang Theory is stupid? .... Did you miss science class?

[Mr_MaSaLa]

The Big Bang Theory is stupid? .... Did you miss science class?


I'm not talking about the BIG BANG ... but rather more finer details of it like energy and light coming into existence BY THEMSELVES from NO FUCKING WHERE ...


Now if you believe that, you, spacey boy are smart and all, are one dumbass.

[SarcasmicBengali]

I'm not talking about the BIG BANG ... but rather more finer details of it like energy and light coming into existence BY THEMSELVES from NO FUCKING WHERE ...


Now if you believe that, you, spacey boy are smart and all, are one dumbass.

ok... then you're line of reasoning is that God created them?
so then how did God come into existance... on his own...? :sarb:

[Space-Cowboy]

The feeling of awed wonder that science can give us is one of the highest experiences of which the human psyche is capable. It is a deep aesthetic passion to rank with the finest that music and poetry can deliver. It is truly one of the things that make life worth living and it does so, if anything, more effectively if it convinces us that the time we have for living is quite finite.

-- Richard Dawkins, Unweaving the Rainbow: Science, Delusion and the Appetite for Wonder (1998), p. x., quoted from Victor J Stenger, Has Science Found God? (2001)

[foreverconfused]

I'm not talking about the BIG BANG ... but rather more finer details of it like energy and light coming into existence BY THEMSELVES from NO FUCKING WHERE ...


Now if you believe that, you, spacey boy are smart and all, are one dumbass.

I'm no physicist, but I've never heard one say anything like that. :ugh2:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

ok... then you're line of reasoning is that God created them?
so then how did God come into existance... on his own...? :sarb:

NO, GOD doesn't have a beginning nor end ... He has been around forever and will be ... we will know about this after when we die ... and if you seek for its answer in this world, then you won't go any further than the BIG BANG THEORY .... you won't ever know how the MATTER, LIGHT, ENERGY first came into existance ... because it is out of your wisdom .... same goes for GOD

[Mr_MaSaLa]

I'm no physicist, but I've never heard one say anything like that. :ugh2:

You are stupid, thats for sure.

[foreverconfused]

You are stupid, thats for sure.

lol, you are stupid. Get some phycisist in here. I'm pretty sure half of your statements contradict basic laws.

[foreverconfused]

NO, GOD doesn't have a beginning nor end ... He has been around forever and will be ... we will know about this after when we die ... and if you seek for its answer in this world, then you won't go any further than the BIG BANG THEORY .... you won't ever know how the MATTER, LIGHT, ENERGY first came into existance ... because it is out of your wisdom .... same goes for GOD

So believing some ancient book written over 1000 years ago is the smarter thing to do?

Wow.

[Space-Cowboy]

NO, GOD doesn't have a beginning nor end ... He has been around forever and will be ... we will know about this after when we die ... and if you seek for its answer in this world, then you won't go any further than the BIG BANG THEORY .... you won't ever know how the MATTER, LIGHT, ENERGY first came into existance ... because it is out of your wisdom .... same goes for GOD

Uhh, matter, et. al. was created during the Big Bang, so we know how those came to 'be'.

As far as 'God', if you assume that God was there forever, then one can just as easily assume the components that went in to start the Bang was there eternally as well.

[Madrion]

actually....it is completely possible that light AND matter appeared out of nothing

[Space-Cowboy]

actually....it is completely possible that light AND matter appeared out of nothing


:cheers: Where have you been??? :hug:

[Madrion]

:cheers: Where have you been??? :hug:

haha!!!spacey!nice to see ya aroung man!what happend to your retirement?lol.....actually i am glad u have not....i have been...well..

Just going in and out of the motions of the rhythmic unamusing life for the menial purpose of justifying my existence.
(TO READ - i just started working at my first job!!i am officially a working man and it is NOT in physics ...:( but thats ok.....one day...)

[Madrion]

lol, you are stupid. Get some phycisist in here. I'm pretty sure half of your statements contradict basic laws.

aye aye....at your service madam....lets get this thing on the road....masala?

[Space-Cowboy]

haha!!!spacey!nice to see ya aroung man!what happend to your retirement?lol.....actually i am glad u have not....i have been...well..

Just going in and out of the motions of the rhythmic unamusing life for the menial purpose of justifying my existence.
(TO READ - i just started working at my first job!!i am officially a working man and it is NOT in physics ...:( but thats ok.....one day...)

I am too retired.... despite what the others will have you believe :squint:


:p




btw, Masala left long time ago... He's pretty much admitted to losing the debate... :p

[Madrion]

I am too retired.... despite what the others will have you believe :squint:


:p




btw, Masala left long time ago... He's pretty much admitted to losing the debate... :p

hahaha!!dont....the forums are nothing without u....

Masala is gone?why is it the hottest conversations happen right BEFORE i come?

[Madrion]

oh and btw i was NOT joking about the part where i said energy-matter( no reason to distinguish between light and matter really) could easily come from nothing....or what we perceive as nothing, detect as nothing, feel as nothing and is nothing for all practical purposes

[Space-Cowboy]

hahaha!!dont....the forums are nothing without u....

Masala is gone?why is it the hottest conversations happen right BEFORE i come?


You've missed quite a lot actually.. Foreverconfused and Kama will fill you in on everything... :p

[Space-Cowboy]

oh and btw i was NOT joking about the part where i said energy-matter( no reason to distinguish between light and matter really) could easily come from nothing....or what we perceive as nothing, detect as nothing, feel as nothing and is nothing for all practical purposes

Oh, how I'd love to get into Vedic Philosophy and Karmic Spirituality right now.... especially after watching [for the 8th time :p ] a very interesting documentary on the life of Buddha and his teachings about the nature of Conciousness/Superconciousness, etc., ..... but I really should be studying.. :(

Brotha, you do what you need to here.... I promise I'll be back to read it :p :hug:

[Madrion]

Oh, how I'd love to get into Vedic Philosophy and Karmic Spirituality right now.... especially after watching [for the 8th time :p ] a very interesting documentary on the life of Buddha and his teachings about the nature of Conciousness/Superconciousness, etc., ..... but I really should be studying.. :(

Brotha, you do what you need to here.... I promise I'll be back to read it :p :hug:

wait wait what documentary is that?i would LOVE to watch that....and wait keep checking back...a television is only fun when u have somewhere to plug it in......conversations of this sort are only fun to have with other like minded intellectuals....not morons....if anything starts i want u in...lol

[miss-hunni]

That's the thing. We don't know yet. We're finding out :)

[Space-Cowboy]

wait wait what documentary is that?i would LOVE to watch that....and wait keep checking back...a television is only fun when u have somewhere to plug it in......conversations of this sort are only fun to have with other like minded intellectuals....not morons....if anything starts i want u in...lol


I promise I'll check back later tonite :p


And here you go:

IILUHZcE510

Just hit play :p

[Madrion]

I promise I'll check back later tonite :p


And here you go:

IILUHZcE510

Just hit play :p

spanx!!

[Space-Cowboy]

spanx!!

Wait.... try this link:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2642956578955666663&q=Life+of+Buddha


^^^Same thing but this one's in HD so it's better picture quality :p

[Madrion]

Wait.... try this link:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2642956578955666663&q=Life+of+Buddha


^^^Same thing but this one's in HD so it's better picture quality :p

yo dude PM me a messenger u might have...msn or yahoo or what have u. and thanx again....watching now

[khanbaba_]

There must be a Creator of the world or the Necessary being

A. beacuse the world could not have comeinto existence by itself

1. because animate beings cannot create themselves nor can they remedy their corruption.

2. because sustancesdepend on accidents and accidents cannot occur on their own.

3. because substances are composed on contrary nature.

4. because the continued existence of subtances is dependent on things other than itself.

5. because the worlds cannot maintain its existence by itself.

6. because of the absurdity of the simultaneousness of existence and non-existence.

7. because the fact what is true for the parts must be true for the whole.

8. because of the diversity of the world's times, states, and characteristics.

B. because the worlds must have been created by a wise Creator

1. because every thing in the world has a definate purpose.

Kitab Tauheed by Imam Maturudi.

[Madrion]

Khanbaba:
Does this Imam guy have any idea of physics?

A. beacuse the world could not have comeinto existence by itself
NOT TRUE. Paricles come into existence and out of existence all the time. check out virtual particles
1. because animate beings cannot create themselves nor can they remedy their corruption.
huh??
2. because sustancesdepend on accidents and accidents cannot occur on their own.
again...huh?if u mean coincidence by accident, then with a large enough of a sample, ANYTHING is possible....and i mean anything.
3. because substances are composed on contrary nature.
huh?
4. because the continued existence of subtances is dependent on things other than itself.
hmm....again not true....
5. because the worlds cannot maintain its existence by itself.
goes back to the point that existence is subjective
6. because of the absurdity of the simultaneousness of existence and non-existence.
haaha oh its not that absurd....
7. because the fact what is true for the parts must be true for the whole.
god i just wish u knew some physics
8. because of the diversity of the world's times, states, and characteristics.
completely false
B. because the worlds must have been created by a wise Creator
oh?thats sooo scientific
1. because every thing in the world has a definate purpose.
it does?

[Madrion]

if anyone really wants to see some answers to the questions above i will post at some other time.....seeing that this thread is already kinda dead i dont want to waste my time

[foreverconfused]

Khanbaba:
Does this Imam guy have any idea of physics?

A. beacuse the world could not have comeinto existence by itself
NOT TRUE. Paricles come into existence and out of existence all the time. check out virtual particles
1. because animate beings cannot create themselves nor can they remedy their corruption.
huh??
2. because sustancesdepend on accidents and accidents cannot occur on their own.
again...huh?if u mean coincidence by accident, then with a large enough of a sample, ANYTHING is possible....and i mean anything.
3. because substances are composed on contrary nature.
huh?
4. because the continued existence of subtances is dependent on things other than itself.
hmm....again not true....
5. because the worlds cannot maintain its existence by itself.
goes back to the point that existence is subjective
6. because of the absurdity of the simultaneousness of existence and non-existence.
haaha oh its not that absurd....
7. because the fact what is true for the parts must be true for the whole.
god i just wish u knew some physics
8. because of the diversity of the world's times, states, and characteristics.
completely false
B. because the worlds must have been created by a wise Creator
oh?thats sooo scientific
1. because every thing in the world has a definate purpose.
it does?

:rofl:

[LalduPatta]

Both sides don't have enough proof so what r u exactly arguing about?
If atheism was declared a religion of its own maybe than ppl wldnt question it. Questioning religion results in converting 2 atheism..in my opinion
The universe is composed entirely of matter n energy. However, matter n energy r not the same but rather wrk side by side becuase nearly all the changes that matter undergoes involve the release or absorption of energy. The big bang is the more logical answer but doesn't mean u have to believe it. Would u want a rational explination or a mythical one? U decide

[SarcasmicBengali]

NO, GOD doesn't have a beginning nor end ... He has been around forever and will be ... we will know about this after when we die ... and if you seek for its answer in this world, then you won't go any further than the BIG BANG THEORY .... you won't ever know how the MATTER, LIGHT, ENERGY first came into existance ... because it is out of your wisdom .... same goes for GOD

so basicaly, all your answers comprise of the non existance of any evidence to back it up...
and the non existance of evidence to disprove Creationism... is the basis to prove that God does exist...
thats pretty damn convenient eh...?

see its people like you that are perfect examples of close minded religious fanatics...
you raised a question that you wanted an objective answer to... so you claim... even though you already made up your mind...
there was more than enough points raised to refute almost everything you were tryin to say...
but you ignored it all and plowed through everyone's comments with personal attacks...

so if you just wanted to shove your ignorance and illiterate-ness in everyone's face... why the facade of objectivity....?

[SarcasmicBengali]

if anyone really wants to see some answers to the questions above i will post at some other time.....seeing that this thread is already kinda dead i dont want to waste my time


i would have really liked to see this continue further now that you're here... :p
damn morons... can never finish wat they start... :rolleyes:

[Space-Cowboy]

i would have really liked to see this continue further now that you're here... :p
damn morons... can never finish wat they start... :rolleyes:


:hug:

[SarcasmicBengali]

:hug:

ok... seriously! :squint:
like i've sd in the countless pm's u've sent...
i want no part of your knowledgable man-love... unless its in .jpg form in my inbox... :hand:

[LeRoiSoleil]

Islamic scientific advancement gave birth to the european renaissance.

Greek philosophy gave birth to islamic/arab scientific and mathematical innovation and advancement.

and so on...

It's always been an flow of ideas between human beings.



Renaissance was due to more factors, that might have been one. First the Crusades did help Europe bring itself into the Renaissance by exposing itself to new ideas and such. Italians began to dig around ancient Roman ruins, which further help foster the Renaissance. There is no one reason, that led to the European Reniassance. But you are correct most of Arabic contributions to the world were built on the ruins of past great civilizations such as Byzantium and Persia.

[Space-Cowboy]

ok... seriously! :squint:
like i've sd in the countless pm's u've sent...
i want no part of your knowledgable man-love... unless its in .jpg form in my inbox... :hand:


:69:

[LeRoiSoleil]

Is God all-powerful or all-knowing? Because he can't be both.

[Space-Cowboy]

Renaissance was due to more factors, that might have been one. First the Crusades did help Europe bring itself into the Renaissance by exposing itself to new ideas and such. Italians began to dig around ancient Roman ruins, which further help foster the Renaissance. There is no one reason, that led to the European Reniassance. But you are correct most of Arabic contributions to the world were built on the ruins of past great civilizations such as Byzantium and Persia.


I'm not sure if I'm talking out of my ass here or not [probably am]:

But every 'dark ages' [and there's been countless, localized throughout Europe over the past 4000 years], is usually followed by a 'renaissance' age of discovery and higher learning... Would this lend itself to the idea of history being cyclical and almost scientific.... predictable in nature?

[Space-Cowboy]

Is God all-powerful or all-knowing? Because he can't be both.

He can't? :sarb:

[Bengal!z]

So where did the "BIG BANG" material come from in the first place?

where did god come from? who created him. why is he there?

[Space-Cowboy]

where did god come from? who created him. why is he there?

To be fair, I wont presume to take away from what he believes... as long as he doesn't impose 'theism' onto atheists...

[Bengal!z]

To be fair, I wont presume to take away from what he believes... as long as he doesn't impose 'theism' onto atheists...

im just pointing out that an argument of this nature is aimless.
one's beliefs are based on faith, the others on logic. no way one can convince the other.

[Bengal!z]

To be fair, I wont presume to take away from what he believes... as long as he doesn't impose 'theism' onto atheists...

by the way. what do you study and where?

[Space-Cowboy]

by the way. what do you study and where?

Wha? Why do you ask? :sarb:

[LeRoiSoleil]

He can't? :sarb:


Well its a paradox if God is both all-knowing and all-powerful.
Lets say God is all-knowing, which means God knows the past, present, and the future. So God knows all the events that will happen. You can't change the future. Well then that means God is bound by the future and cannot change it. If he can change it that means he is all-powerful but not all knowing.

[Bengal!z]

Wha? Why do you ask? :sarb:

jus wondering. i think i read somewhere you do economics. and i do as well. hence my question lol

[LeRoiSoleil]

All powerful has its own setbacks, such as creating a rock so heavy that god could not lift it.

[Bengal!z]

All powerful has its own setbacks, such as creating a rock so heavy that god could not lift it.


yer there a number of ways you can contest religion. there are numerous occurences which make little sense.

such as how adam and eve could start the whole human race - incest amongst the children?

[SarcasmicBengali]

Well its a paradox if God is both all-knowing and all-powerful.
Lets say God is all-knowing, which means God knows the past, present, and the future. So God knows all the events that will happen. You can't change the future. Well then that means God is bound by the future and cannot change it. If he can change it that means he is all-powerful but not all knowing.

its kind of what space cowboy was talkin about in another thread...
about if God is all powerful and there is still evil in the world, then he is malicious...

and so on... it relates to wat you're sayin...

edit: here it is... http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=214474

[Space-Cowboy]

jus wondering. i think i read somewhere you do economics. and i do as well. hence my question lol

Ah, got an ec. degree, working on my CFA currently :p

[Space-Cowboy]

Well its a paradox if God is both all-knowing and all-powerful.
Lets say God is all-knowing, which means God knows the past, present, and the future. So God knows all the events that will happen. You can't change the future. Well then that means God is bound by the future and cannot change it. If he can change it that means he is all-powerful but not all knowing.


Oh! Freewill v.s. Determinism!

[LeRoiSoleil]

its kind of what space cowboy was talkin about in another thread...
about if God is all powerful and there is still evil in the world, then he is malicious...

and so on... it relates to wat you're sayin...

edit: here it is... http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=214474

Yeah there are tons of arguments against one god having such immense power. Maybe, hindus are correct in having a number of gods who have different job titles.

[LeRoiSoleil]

Oh! Freewill v.s. Determinism!

There is no free-will its a facade. All actions were predetermined due to the first action. Neurologists and philosophers are trying to reconcile with the new belief that there is no free will.

[Space-Cowboy]

All powerful has its own setbacks, such as creating a rock so heavy that god could not lift it.


Nah, that becomes meaningless.... I don't think it flies as an argument..... all that would happen is that God would create a rock..... and then 'lift' it.... for whatever that entails......

The whole 'can God create a problem even he can't overcome' thing, I've always found is one of the poorer arguments.

[Space-Cowboy]

There is no free-will its a facade. All actions were predetermined due to the first action. Neurologists and philosophers are trying to reconcile with the new belief that there is no free will.

Eh? I'm not quite sure how that follows.... I mean, yes, I believe there is a great harmony in the greater scheme of things, but I don't see how this really comes about, especially since much of our actions are essentially reactive, not active.

[LeRoiSoleil]

Nah, that becomes meaningless.... I don't think it flies as an argument..... all that would happen is that God would create a rock..... and then 'lift' it.... for whatever that entails......

The whole 'can God create a problem even he can't overcome' thing, I've always found is one of the poorer arguments.


I don't see it that way. Its just the current paradigm is for a monotheistic belief in God, which makes people uneasy about questioning if God could possibly be not all-powerful.

[Space-Cowboy]

I don't see it that way. Its just the current paradigm is for a monotheistic belief in God, which makes people uneasy about questioning if God could possibly be not all-powerful.


Well... fair enough, but it would only really apply to the Abrahamic 'God'....

And even then... as far as 'stone' goes.... I don't know.... the heaviest stone would probably take up the entire mass of the cosmos... and then it really wouldn't be a matter of 'lifting', because it would have its own place in space.

[logik]

who gives a fuck? just live your life.

[LeRoiSoleil]

Eh? I'm not quite sure how that follows.... I mean, yes, I believe there is a great harmony in the greater scheme of things, but I don't see how this really comes about, especially since much of our actions are essentially reactive, not active.

This is off topic, but you should read this new article in The New Yorker, it talks about a radical new theory on language. This guy lived with an Amazonian tribe that have resisted almost all modernization attempts. They won't even farm. Also, they have no spiritual belief system or tradition of myth-telling. They seem very logical and experience-orientated. He went as a missionary, but later became an atheist because of his experience with this tribe. They have no words for color or other adjectives. They don't even have a counting system. They only have 1, 2, and many. It briefly states that maybe our mind only expresses things due to language. If there is no word for the number 10, does it exist? To these people "no". Its quite interesting to assume that without language, would we still think abstractly?

[LeRoiSoleil]

Well... fair enough, but it would only really apply to the Abrahamic 'God'....

And even then... as far as 'stone' goes.... I don't know.... the heaviest stone would probably take up the entire mass of the cosmos... and then it really wouldn't be a matter of 'lifting', because it would have its own place in space.


It could be really dense. Before the Big Bang. just as the universe was compacted into the size of the period at the end of this sentence. So could this stone. It could be massively dense object.

[Atharvan]

can anyone explain the sense in biblical cosmogony ?????They said Adam and Eve was the first creature on the face of planet earth. What about the dinosaurs? the homo erectus? Off course they will tell us they are works of evil trying to sway our beliefs.That is exactly what they are doing for thousands of years...A story passed down from one generation to the next taken out of context. We have no proofs at all about these divine healings or miracles. Liers will say they have experinece and witness miracles.Big Bang makes more sense.There is no proof at all for god(it's only belief), and the big bang was just what got other things started.

[kohli_sahib]

alright, i'm not even going to read this fucking thread.

here's the fucking deal, plain and simple for all you community college educated, self-proclaimed "devout" religionista's here on RD.

ANY SCIENTIFIC THEORY ABOUT HOW THE UNIVERSE CAME ABOUT IS MORE RATIONAL, LOGICAL AND COHERENT THAN ANY CREATIONIST MYTH. IT'S QUITE SIMPLE. IF PERHAPS THIS WENT OVER YOUR HEAD, I DREW A FUCKING PICTURE.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1188/godvsdarwinfc9.jpg

CAPISCE?

[SarcasmicBengali]

alright, i'm not even going to read this fucking thread.

here's the fucking deal, plain and simple for all you community college educated, self-proclaimed "devout" religionista's here on RD.

ANY SCIENTIFIC THEORY ABOUT HOW THE UNIVERSE CAME ABOUT IS MORE RATIONAL, LOGICAL AND COHERENT THAN ANY CREATIONIST MYTH. IT'S QUITE SIMPLE. IF PERHAPS THIS WENT OVER YOUR HEAD, I DREW A FUCKING PICTURE.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1188/godvsdarwinfc9.jpg

CAPISCE?

hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
'black guy'..... :roflbow:

[kohli_sahib]

hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
'black guy'..... :roflbow:

notice, he's at the bottom of the tray.

[Space-Cowboy]

This is off topic, but you should read this new article in The New Yorker, it talks about a radical new theory on language. This guy lived with an Amazonian tribe that have resisted almost all modernization attempts. They won't even farm. Also, they have no spiritual belief system or tradition of myth-telling. They seem very logical and experience-orientated. He went as a missionary, but later became an atheist because of his experience with this tribe. They have no words for color or other adjectives. They don't even have a counting system. They only have 1, 2, and many. It briefly states that maybe our mind only expresses things due to language. If there is no word for the number 10, does it exist? To these people "no". Its quite interesting to assume that without language, would we still think abstractly?

I would love to read this article.... I've been wondering about the nature of numbers specifically, myself.


Hey, try this for me, as an experiment, please let me know how it goes:

We're on a base 10 number system.... invent a base 13 number system, and experiment with it. Just play around... and record your thoughts as you perform more and more complex calculations on the base 13 numbers.

The idea is that '10' does exist..... but it exists free of interpretation... :dunno: In its absolute form.... I'll get into that at some point later..I don't feel like it right now :p

[SarcasmicBengali]

notice, he's at the bottom of the tray.

besides gigantor...? :sarb:

[kohli_sahib]

besides gigantor...? :sarb:

fat guys and black guys always finish last. notice the sardar on top ;)

[Space-Cowboy]

alright, i'm not even going to read this fucking thread.

here's the fucking deal, plain and simple for all you community college educated, self-proclaimed "devout" religionista's here on RD.

ANY SCIENTIFIC THEORY ABOUT HOW THE UNIVERSE CAME ABOUT IS MORE RATIONAL, LOGICAL AND COHERENT THAN ANY CREATIONIST MYTH. IT'S QUITE SIMPLE. IF PERHAPS THIS WENT OVER YOUR HEAD, I DREW A FUCKING PICTURE.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1188/godvsdarwinfc9.jpg

CAPISCE?


This deserves to be e-framed :love: :hug:

[kohli_sahib]

This deserves to be e-framed :love: :hug:

do it up, nigguh.

[zai_alam]

You are not grasping my point. Islam concentrates solely on its religion. As far as its concerned, science is invalid. No wonder idiots such as the thread starter or Khanbaba rather fucking believe their Quran than science. And yet they have the fucking nerve to talk shit on those who do believe in it. When I say Islam dumbs people, I mean the religion doctrine and its followers instill that brain wave of thinking. And the result is, middle east being a huge pile of flamingly religious psychotics totally intolerant of others views, forget science. Go God!

Who told you that?

You seem to have too many misconceptions.


The talk properly starts after 2 mins...
bHsotTyi6FM

[xplosion]

Who told you that?

You seem to have too many misconceptions.


The talk properly starts after 2 mins...
bHsotTyi6FM

not this dude again man, all he does is quote and misinterpret religious scriptious and in addition, he's such a sweet talker who is completely the opposite of what he preaches and its so self evident in some of his talks, he talks in circles man...."many a times, science takes a U-turn" so he's debasing science while attempting to validate his view......arghhh i can't stand it, in addition, in that whole speech, he never actually gave an example of where the koran goes hand in hand with modern science!!

[zai_alam]

ok... then you're line of reasoning is that God created them?
so then how did God come into existance... on his own...? :sarb:

The whole idea of God (or the creator) is that God created the universe (mass, energy and the law of time), so therefore God isn't limited or bound by the law of time as God created it in the first place.

Everything that exists within the universe (including us) is bound by the law of time (we are born, we grow old and then we die). God created time, so God is not bound by it, therefore the laws of time dont apply to God in the same way as it does to everything that God created.

God has no beginning or end :dunno:

[zai_alam]

not this dude again man, all he does is quote and misinterpret religious scriptious and in addition, he's such a sweet talker who is completely the opposite of what he preaches and its so self evident in some of his talks, he talks in circles man...."many a times, science takes a U-turn" so he's debasing science while attempting to validate his view......arghhh i can't stand it, in addition, in that whole speech, he never actually gave an example of where the koran goes hand in hand with modern science!!

Does he make you angry and frustrated?

[just_in_credible]

Religions are belief system and allow spiritual guidance to handle tough things we go through in life.

Science is not everything because science cannot do any research on LIFE AFTER DEATH, WHERE WE GO, WHY WE DIE, CAN WE COME BACK TO LIFE AFTER DEATH AND RECOUNT WHAT HAPPENED..CAN SCIENCE KEEP US ALIVE FOR EVER..CAN SCIENCE TELL US WHY WE ARE HERE ON EARTH FOR WHAT PURPOSE...

[xplosion]

Does he make you angry and frustrated?

Not really, i respect his enclyopedic knowledge of scriptures..however dn't appreciate the way he lays his arguments across....

[xplosion]

What if "God" initiated the Big Bang then took a back seat and let science works it marvel?! i dn't understand why people segregate science and religion and form an opinion that they can't co-exist...

[kohli_sahib]

Religions are belief system and allow spiritual guidance to handle tough things we go through in life.

Science is not everything because science cannot do any research on LIFE AFTER DEATH, WHERE WE GO, WHY WE DIE, CAN WE COME BACK TO LIFE AFTER DEATH AND RECOUNT WHAT HAPPENED..CAN SCIENCE KEEP US ALIVE FOR EVER..CAN SCIENCE TELL US WHY WE ARE HERE ON EARTH FOR WHAT PURPOSE...
you sir, are an idiot.

[kohli_sahib]

What if "God" initiated the Big Bang then took a back seat and let science works it marvel?! i dn't understand why people segregate science and religion and form an opinion that they can't co-exist...
i like your way of thinking. i may not agree, but i like it alot.

[zai_alam]

What if "God" initiated the Big Bang then took a back seat and let science works it marvel?! i dn't understand why people segregate science and religion and form an opinion that they can't co-exist...

Excellent point.

I've read somewhere in the Quran that the universe is gradually expanding.

If god is expanding the universe, then that should mean that the universe had a single starting point from which it started to expand.

Like if you played a video of the universe and rewind it to the start.

So what is said in the Quran does kind of fit in with modern scientific thinking.

Religion and science can co-exist.

[xplosion]

zai_alam: you still have to tell me what you think of Dr. Zakir Hussein.....i'm curious...

[zai_alam]

zai_alam: you still have to tell me what you think of Dr. Zakir Hussein.....i'm curious...

*Zakir Naik :lol:

I have to admit that I admire his depth of knowledge when it comes to various religious scriptures, and that fact that he makes a decent effort to explain things rationally.

But at the end of the day it's just his view and interpretation, though I do find myself agreeing with many of his explanations (not all).

[xplosion]

I have to admit that I admire his depth of knowledge when it comes to various religious scriptures, and that fact that he makes a decent effort to explain things rationally.

But at the end of the day it's just his view and interpretation, though I do find myself agreeing with many of his explanations (not all).

yeah, what I always wondered was, how would you or I know if his recitations of the scriptures are fully accurate?! he could be fabricating them on the spot and we would have no clue as very few people in the world have the mental ability to fully memorise a large number of scriptures...interesting isn't it....

[zai_alam]

yeah, what I always wondered was, how would you or I know if his recitations of the scriptures are fully accurate?! he could be fabricating them on the spot and we would have no clue as very few people in the world have the mental ability to fully memorise a large number of scriptures...interesting isn't it....

We should make an effort to read the scriptures ourselves.

I do. Not all of them obviously :lol:

Just Quran and king james Bible at the moment.

[Space-Cowboy]

What if "God" initiated the Big Bang then took a back seat and let science works it marvel?! i dn't understand why people segregate science and religion and form an opinion that they can't co-exist...


The problem is, now you need an explanation.... the universe can be explained through science......but how does one go through to explaining where this God came from?

[xplosion]

The problem is, now you need an explanation.... the universe can be explained through science......but how does one go through to explaining where this God came from?

some questions are better left unanswered, it makes life worth living....

[Space-Cowboy]

some questions are better left unanswered, it makes life worth living....


Back in the old days, they thought the Northern Lights were the result of gods dancing. Today we know, through science, that it is solar winds interacting with the earth's electromagnetic field. And I feel because of this PROPER scientific explanation, the event becomes even more meaningful and in turn makes life that much more worth living.

[zai_alam]

The problem is, now you need an explanation.... the universe can be explained through science......but how does one go through to explaining where this God came from?

You cant explain God using science. Science can only be used to make logical sense of things within the bounds of our universe. Anything beyond that, then the laws of science break down and don't apply anymore.

[LeRoiSoleil]

this is still going on?

[zai_alam]

this is still going on?

http://www.spockman.com/YeahYeahYeahs6a.jpg




















yes.

[xplosion]

Back in the old days, they thought the Northern Lights were the result of gods dancing. Today we know, through science, that it is solar winds interacting with the earth's electromagnetic field. And I feel because of this PROPER scientific explanation, the event becomes even more meaningful and in turn makes life that much more worth living.

In hindsight, everything seems clear and simple..however we dn't have that liberty..and if you look at it metaphorically........solar winds, the electromagnetic field could be due to God's initial creation..therefore, yes..the gods are dancing....

[Space-Cowboy]

You cant explain God using science. Science can only be used to make logical sense of things within the bounds of our universe. Anything beyond that, then the laws of science break down and don't apply anymore.

If one can't explain God, why would one assume God is there in the first place? :sarb:

[Space-Cowboy]

In hindsight, everything seems clear and simple..however we dn't have that liberty..and if you look at it metaphorically........solar winds, the electromagnetic field could be due to God's initial creation..therefore, yes..the gods are dancing....

... wha? :sarb:

[zai_alam]

If one can't explain God, why would one assume God is there in the first place? :sarb:

You cannot explain the existence of God purely through science.

But it is possible to explain the existence God rationally.

[Space-Cowboy]

You cannot explain the existence of God purely through science.

But it is possible to explain Gods existence rationally.


Alright, I'm all ears, what's your rational explanation for the existence of God?

[reaz]

big bang - universe expands - big crunch - big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch -big bang - universe expands - big crunch ....get the point???

i reckon thats the true meaning of
Brahma - creator
Vishnu - preservation
Shiva -destruction


as per current understanding of the universe there is no big crunch. there are very few scientists who believe in the theory of big crunch.

[p0rt_1337]

Yes and NO !

I mean ENERGY and the "matter" that EXPLODED with the "bang"...

WHERE did THAT "matter" come from in the FIRST place ???


where did GOD come from in the first place?? Did he create him/herself before even existing??

:sarb:

[xplosion]

... wha? :sarb:


its bluddy missions to explain it over the internet...!! wen u come over to london, we shall hold a debate on the issue.... :D

[xplosion]

and i completely forgot...Albert Einstein believed in science and God......

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

[reaz]

If we can make the assumption that god created the concept of time along with the universe it can be easily argued that god has existed infinitely and did not have to create itself.

[zai_alam]

Alright, I'm all ears, what's your rational explanation for the existence of God?

It goes back to the very beginning and creation of the universe. Why did it happen and what caused it to happen?

Some people argue that if this entity we call God created the universe, then what created God?
If you use this argument, then establishing the source of creation is never-ending and infinite.

I believe that this entity (God as most people call it) exists beyond the limitations of time and space, and is the source of all creation.

[zai_alam]

and i completely forgot...Albert Einstein believed in science and God......

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

I totally argee with that statement.

[Space-Cowboy]

If we can make the assumption that god created the concept of time along with the universe it can be easily argued that god has existed infinitely and did not have to create itself.

Well.. from my understanding we do know that 'time' as we are aware of it today came into existence immediately after the Bang ripples... When the ripples subsided, you have what you see today.

But the point insofar as M-theory is concerned is, that the COMPONENTS [read: strings and membrane[s]] that went into creating what we see today were in fact ever present before the Bang, just not in the state we see today... perhaps in a very different state of existence in fact.

Now there certainly does need to be, I suppose, some sort of a Force that caused membranes to collide, thus creating the Bang, but is that Force 'God'? Sure we can call it God, but it wouldn't be 'God' in the same way that people often view 'God' today. There's no way to prove that this Force is concious... or even if it is, that it is aware of the existence of what it created.

[Space-Cowboy]

It goes back to the very beginning and creation of the universe. Why did it happen and what caused it to happen?

Some people argue that if this entity we call God created the universe, then what created God?
If you use this argument, then establishing the source of creation is never-ending and infinite.

I believe that this entity (God as most people call it) exists beyond the limitations of time and space, and is the source of all creation.


... And why does it have to be 'an entity'? Why wouldn't it just be an extra-universal Force?


But, even, for the sake of argument, let's say that it was created by an Entity [and that this Entity is in fact concious]... what evidence is there that this Entity is even aware of the existence of its creation?