what do u make of this quote?

[deception]

Listen to the cry of a woman in labor at the hour of giving birth—look at the dying man’s struggle at his last extremity, and then tell me whether something that begins and ends thus could be intended for enjoyment.
-Soren Kierkegaard

[himynamesmo]

thats a hot quotw but i dont get the ending, how can something like that be enjoyed?

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nevermind i got it.

there is a begining to everything and there is an end to everything. the mother gives life to he child with the utmost pain she has ever felt. is that not worth another life? however, all good things must come to an end.

[deception]

well i depart a little bit from your wisdom. i think he was laying credence to the argument that the human condition is suffering. the beginning and end analogies are used to extract the extremities of the suffering, the shit in the middle is the most important. if u read some of his work he argues that u have to impose meaning in the amidst of the fuckdom on earth. substantiating those sentiments are socrates famous words, "a life unexamined, is a life worth not living".

[himynamesmo]

well i depart a little bit from your wisdom. i think he was laying credence to the argument that the human condition is suffering. the beginning and end analogies are used to extract the extremities of the suffering, the shit in the middle is the most important. if u read some of his work he argues that u have to impose meaning in the amidst of the fuckdom on earth. substantiating those sentiments are socrates famous words, "a life unexamined, is a life worth not living".

He's asking the question on whether or not it's worth it. but yea i agree with u.

[methodman535]

Listen to the cry of a woman in labor at the hour of giving birth—look at the dying man’s struggle at his last extremity, and then tell me whether something that begins and ends thus could be intended for enjoyment.
-Soren Kierkegaard


Nice way of ignoring the fact that 99.99% of people's lives are without intense pain or agony. Most people deal with the unpleasantness and try to enjoy their pleasures. Simple way of dismissing this guy. :lol:

[deception]

Nice way of ignoring the fact that 99.99% of people's lives are without intense pain or agony. Most people deal with the unpleasantness and try to enjoy their pleasures. Simple way of dismissing this guy. :lol:


i vociferously disagree, if u read the work of the preeminent philosophers of the ages they confirm Kierkegaard's sentiments. suffering is the human condition; there are approximately 1.5 billion people that don't have access to fresh water, 2 billion live on less than $1 a day, currently there are 80 high intensity protracted civil wars and i could go on giving u empirical evidence that human existence is a profound failure if u want me to. living in the west we get a sanitized version of the world, i blame the corporate controlled media for that. truth be told, the truth is obscured to sell u shit! we live in strange times, where a white guy from texas preaches morality while dropping bombs on a sovereign peoples to bankroll a regressive tax break for his opulent cronies, i call it nepotism but most 70% of americans think saddam is behind 9/11. strange?

[Anonymous]

I didn't want to go college.
First day was crap. I didn't want to come here everyday...
By the last day I was sad that I wouldn't see it everyday anymore.


In between I made some wonderful friends and some great memories.

[methodman535]

Nice way of ignoring the fact that 99.99% of people's lives are without intense pain or agony. Most people deal with the unpleasantness and try to enjoy their pleasures. Simple way of dismissing this guy. :lol:


i vociferously disagree, if u read the work of the preeminent philosophers of the ages they confirm Kierkegaard's sentiments. suffering is the human condition; there are approximately 1.5 billion people that don't have access to fresh water, 2 billion live on less than $1 a day, currently there are 80 high intensity protracted civil wars and i could go on giving u empirical evidence that human existence is a profound failure if u want me to. living in the west we get a sanitized version of the world, i blame the corporate controlled media for that. truth be told, the truth is obscured to sell u shit! we live in strange times, where a white guy from texas preaches morality while dropping bombs on a sovereign peoples to bankroll a regressive tax break for his opulent cronies, i call it nepotism but most 70% of americans think saddam is behind 9/11. strange?


Yes I agree theres a lot more misery out there then. But still, hapiness and nirvana are all in the mind. You can be a lazy poverty stricken hookah smoking paindoo who sits on a charpai half his life and be more content than a workaholic in NYC with an income of 300k a year. I know that I can be miserable or happy with my own current life. Its all in the mind and most of the time I feel pretty content. Its all in the endorphines baby!

[ThreeFiddy]

/\ I agree with methodman there. Happiness comes from realising that no external factor can ever make you happy if you yourself are not willing to do it first. I could be the richest fuckwit in the world with the most beautiful and loving wife and still not be happy. Having said that, it's also quite hard to be happy sometimes when you realise the harshness of reality and you've got ten kids to support with no money, while some megalomaniac with dreams of grandeur is waging some sort of pussy az civil war. No matter how much you tell yourself that you're happy and you enjoy living like this - you know that you're not, and you'd rather live as the rich fuckwit with a beautiful wife.

If you ask me, I would say ignorance breeds happiness. You're happy as long as you don't realise how fucked you are.

[deception]

Yes I agree theres a lot more misery out there then. But still, hapiness and nirvana are all in the mind. You can be a lazy poverty stricken hookah smoking paindoo who sits on a charpai half his life and be more content than a workaholic in NYC with an income of 300k a year. I know that I can be miserable or happy with my own current life. Its all in the mind and most of the time I feel pretty content. Its all in the endorphines baby!

best quote i've ever heard about life is from "The city of Joy" where some lady describes life as like "being shipwrecked on foreign island and your caught between conflicting emotions of hope and despair". I like that, its succinct and makes u think in abstractions. my rebuttal of sorts to your responses is on the other thread.