Indian Train Bombing Was Terrorism, Dozens Dead

[Cunard]

5 unexploded bombs have also been found on the rail line :no:


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Dozens dead in India train blasts

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The fire engulfed two carriages on the Samjhauta Express

At least 66 people have been killed in a series of explosions and a fire on a Pakistan-bound train in the northern Indian state of Haryana, officials say.
Passengers reported hearing two blasts as the train passed near Panipat, about 80km (50 miles) north of Delhi.

The train - the Samjhauta Express - was part of a service taking passengers from Delhi to Lahore in Pakistan.

The incident comes a day before Pakistan's Foreign Minister is due in Delhi for talks with Indian leaders.

The minister, Khurshid Kasuri, said the explosion was a "horrendous act of terrorism" but it would not change his plans to visit India from 20 to 23 February.

Innocent men and women had been killed, he said, a sentiment echoed by Indian Railways Minister Lalu Prasad Yadav who told a news conference that the blast were aimed at undermining relations between the two countries.

"It is an effort to destabilise peace between India, Pakistan. Innocent people have been killed."

Pakistan said most of the dead were Pakistanis and Pakistani foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam demanded India act.

"We expect Indian authorities to punish the perpetrators," she said, stressing that it was India's responsibility to ensure proper security for the twice-weekly service which runs from the Indian capital to Lahore in Pakistan.

After a two-year gap, the service was restarted in 2004 as part of the peace process between the two countries.

'Loud explosion'

A couple of small blasts took place in two carriages at about midnight (1830 GMT), as the train reached a station in the village of Deewana.

The train came to a standstill and a ball of fire then engulfed the two coaches.

The injured were pulled out of the burning carriages onto the trackside by fellow passengers, and local residents rushed to the tracks to help.


"I heard a loud explosion and then it was all smoke," passenger Tara Chand was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.

"Looking at the intensity of the smoke, many people must have suffocated to death before being charred."

Security precautions on the train meant many doors were bolted shut and most windows had bars covering them which may have trapped some passengers inside.

The BBC's Soutik Biswas saw the two burnt-out carriages and said smoke was still coming out of them hours after the explosions.

The heat of the flames had peeled the blue paint off the coaches, he said, and oil and burnt cinders littered the tracks.

He went into one of the carriages and saw boxes of food and spices that many of the passengers would have been taking as gifts to friends and relatives in Pakistan.

Shiv Ram, a police railway constable, was one of the first officials on the scene.

"In 30 years of service I haven't seen anything like this," he told our correspondent.

"The coaches were totally engulfed in flames. I brought out three charred women - I could only recognise them as women because they were wearing bangles".

'Anguish and grief'

The burnt-out carriages have been moved away from the scene of the fire to a railway siding a couple of kilometres away for forensic examination.

Railway officials said five small explosive devices capable of causing a huge fire were defused at the site.

The train carried more than 500 passengers, a mix of Indians and Pakistanis - but most of the victims are believed to have been Pakistanis.

Prime Minister Singh expressed his "anguish and grief" at the deaths.

"The culprits will be caught," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6374377.stm

[~CupCake~]

lets not blame anyone...


what happened was tragic.. all the innocent ones died....

[.devil.]

ironic that the train was called samjhuta express.

[Atharvan]

people will be getting back on commuter trains tomorrow.

[Cunard]

Don't be surprised if indian politicians are behind these bombings. Everytime a U.S ambassador visits india, kasmiri pundits or sikhs in kashmir die mysterious deaths.

Terrorism, yes!


it it was the bjp in power (as it was when Indian troops killed 35 sikhs in Kashmir and blamed muslim militants, i wouldnt be surprised).....but i have some faith in this congress party which i hope has learned for its past......to be honest terrorist also strike when it would hurt relations between the two countries

[PreciousPari]

Oh gosh, RIP :(
But you know who to point fingers at :no:

[notoriou$punjabi]

5 unexploded bombs?????

so it was planned to be a large scale bombing huh....the whole train?

no matter how dirty indian politicians are they never stage anything this big..


Tears for the dead!

[BlingBling.bOY]

lets not blame anyone...


what happened was tragic.. all the innocent ones died....
wow some1 is a real cupcake :dance3:

[Cunard]

They staged 1984..a tank inside a temple!

that was out in the open though....even though the govt did its best by hiding it when they deported reporters and journalists from Punjab

[Atharvan]

They staged 1984..a tank inside a temple!

Bhindranwale should not have used the Golden Temple as the venue for propaganda. Sikhs have faced some real wars in the past from mughals and abdalis but not a single Guru or Sikh leader used the temple as a shield...although i do agree that bhindranwale was indira's creation.

[~CupCake~]

wow some1 is a real cupcake :dance3:

wow some1 is freaky looking

[Space-Cowboy]

RIP :no:

[freshmanik_13]

thats lame. no one should die.

[Miz Jatti]

http://www.coolbuddy.com/greet/IMGS/TH_FLASH/India.gif

[Miz Jatti]

Bhindranwale should not have used the Golden Temple as the venue for propaganda. Sikhs have faced some real wars in the past from mughals and abdalis but not a single Guru or Sikh leader used the temple as a shield...although i do agree that bhindranwale was indira's creation.


:rolleyes:

[desi_uk_jatt]

5 unexploded bombs?????

so it was planned to be a large scale bombing huh....the whole train?

no matter how dirty indian politicians are they never stage anything this big..


Tears for the dead!:gay:

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

:no: :no: :no:

rip..

[Desi MC]

:(:(:(:(:(

[jumpn jza]

the bombers should be lamed

[jumpn jza]

They staged 1984..a tank inside a temple!

i kind of believe that the bombings before operation blue star where in fact carried out by the indian government. When the khalistan movement took off, the indian government needed to make sikhs in general look more violent than they actually where, so they are the ones that bombed the cinema complexes in delhi and so on...this then acted as a pretext for operation blue star...

[Raaz28]

lets not blame anyone...


what happened was tragic.. all the innocent ones died....

lets blame bin laden and all the muslims! ofcourse this gives indians all rights to go kill the minority muslims in india like the other bombings. democratic = india. bullshit it's a fascist. politicians fuel the situtation while the police turn a blind eye to the massacres and riots occuring in muslim neighbourhoods. to tackle terrorism you have to find the roots and source and i give you the source - massacres, injustice governments, suffering innocents leads to the rise of would be suicide bombers. this is a tested theory. everyone knows fear creates hatred and anger.

my personal view is you want to make a stand go and take out the armies and government officials. their the crooks but then again the indians elected them.??

[Raaz28]

wow some1 is freaky looking

funny. seriously. lol

[jumpn jza]

it it was the bjp in power (as it was when Indian troops killed 35 sikhs in Kashmir and blamed muslim militants, i wouldnt be surprised).....but i have some faith in this congress party which i hope has learned for its past......to be honest terrorist also strike when it would hurt relations between the two countries

The BJP can be overtly fascist at times so it wouldn't surprise me if they where involved in this incident while being out of power! - it makes congress look weak/liberal/pansy....etc - and they can use such sentiments to sway the public to their military agendas in Kashmir etc....

[*1001Nights*]

lets blame bin laden and all the muslims! ofcourse this gives indians all rights to go kill the minority muslims in india like the other bombings. democratic = india. bullshit it's a fascist. politicians fuel the situtation while the police turn a blind eye to the massacres and riots occuring in muslim neighbourhoods. to tackle terrorism you have to find the roots and source and i give you the source - massacres, injustice governments, suffering innocents leads to the rise of would be suicide bombers. this is a tested theory. everyone knows fear creates hatred and anger.

my personal view is you want to make a stand go and take out the armies and government officials. their the crooks but then again the indians elected them.??
stupid ass......we would bomb u before any one got a chance :rolleyes: were muslims duh!

[fratty]

lets blame bin laden and all the muslims! ofcourse this gives indians all rights to go kill the minority muslims in india like the other bombings. democratic = india. bullshit it's a fascist. politicians fuel the situtation while the police turn a blind eye to the massacres and riots occuring in muslim neighbourhoods. to tackle terrorism you have to find the roots and source and i give you the source - massacres, injustice governments, suffering innocents leads to the rise of would be suicide bombers. this is a tested theory. everyone knows fear creates hatred and anger.

my personal view is you want to make a stand go and take out the armies and government officials. their the crooks but then again the indians elected them.??

WHat about minority rights in Pakistan or Bangladesh? Why is it that the hindu/sikh population in Pakistan went from around 30% to now close to 3%. So don't give me that bullshit. India has even Sharia Courts to allow muslims to decide many civil cases. If you are a minority in Pakistan, you will have no rights. Hindus and Sikhs can't openly celebrate their holidays there. There is the immense threat of extremists there ready to kill them. So please stop with the hypocrisy unless you are ready to criticize Islamic countries.

[jumpn jza]

WHat about minority rights in Pakistan or Bangladesh? Why is it that the hindu/sikh population in Pakistan went from around 30% to now close to 3%. So don't give me that bullshit. India has even Sharia Courts to allow muslims to decide many civil cases. If you are a minority in Pakistan, you will have no rights. Hindus and Sikhs can't openly celebrate their holidays there. There is the immense threat of extremists there ready to kill them. So please stop with the hypocrisy unless you are ready to criticize Islamic countries.

:werd: ...there have been too many cases of human rights abuses done to hindus in pakistan - like having their homes burnt, being shot dead, having their women raped....but the pakistani government doesnt seem to care...

India is the only country that pays for muslims to go to mecca (which is bullshit) - muslims are treated quite well by indian law, its right wing nationalist retards that give india a bad name...

[paulie walnuts]

i'm amused when people say things like "i wouldn't be surprised if so and so did it".

so far the organizations that wouldn't surprise people: BJP, Congress, Hindu militants, Islamic militants, ISI, RAW, etc.

with minor stretching of the imagination, virtually everybody has some potential gain.

michael jackson has some potential gain.

[jumpn jza]

i'm amused when people say things like "i wouldn't be surprised if so and so did it".

so far the organizations that wouldn't surprise people: BJP, Congress, Hindu militants, Islamic militants, ISI, RAW, etc.

everybody has some potential gain.

michael jackson has some potential gain.

those in bold....

[fratty]

:werd: ...there have been too many cases of human rights abuses done to hindus in pakistan - like having their homes burnt, being shot dead, having their women raped....but the pakistani government doesnt seem to care...

India is the only country that pays for muslims to go to mecca (which is bullshit) - muslims are treated quite well by indian law, its right wing nationalist retards that give india a bad name...

I'm tired of muslims who constantly say that due to oppression and fear they have resorted to violence. Tibetans under Chinese rule have no rights. Chinese are moving many Han Chinese. Soon there will be more Chinese than Tibetans in Tibet. I don't see Tibetans resorting to violence to attack Chinese positions. There are many other examples I could show. But it seems that muslims love playing the victim card, although they are in a position of power. Islam only needs a Protestant-like Reformation to change its ways. Maybe even take a more minimalist approach to the Quran like many Christians and Jews do now.

[Raaz28]

WHat about minority rights in Pakistan or Bangladesh? Why is it that the hindu/sikh population in Pakistan went from around 30% to now close to 3%. So don't give me that bullshit. India has even Sharia Courts to allow muslims to decide many civil cases. If you are a minority in Pakistan, you will have no rights. Hindus and Sikhs can't openly celebrate their holidays there. There is the immense threat of extremists there ready to kill them. So please stop with the hypocrisy unless you are ready to criticize Islamic countries.

fuck you. hindus have it easy in bangladesh dipshit. i don't know about pakistan as i don't give a shit bout pakistan. so discuss ure issues somewhere else ******. they don't go massacaring hindus in neighbourhoods so shut up. also it's the same in india, muslims can't celebrate properly. fuck celebration they can't even live and get a decent job without being downgraded so fuck ya all. hypocrite??

let the wolves out!!!!!!!!!!!

[jumpn jza]

I'm tired of muslims who constantly say that due to oppression and fear they have resorted to violence. Tibetans under Chinese rule have no rights. Chinese are moving many Han Chinese. Soon there will be more Chinese than Tibetans in Tibet. I don't see Tibetans resorting to violence to attack Chinese positions. There are many other examples I could show. But it seems that muslims love playing the victim card, although they are in a position of power. Islam only needs a Protestant-like Reformation to change its ways. Maybe even take a more minimalist approach to the Quran like many Christians and Jews do now.

I know that you are one to point out the difference in struggle between the Palestinians and the Tibetans...what has happened to the tibetans is horrible and god knows whats happening to them now behind the cloudy wals of the chinese media...but palestinians are suffering, and just becoz some palestinians take the avenue of violence, that shouldn't distract from the fact that they are fighting for survival....west bank and gaza are ruled by Israel! - they have military checkpoints and settlements in these very areas...zionist extremist carry out horrible acts of violence...the israeli government demolishes palestinians homes etc...What exists in Palestine is a brutal occupation...

I know what u mean though about the "victim card" which somehow justifies violence - and i agree with you on that one when dealing with SOME muslims within india...but don't apply that to the rest of the planet and muslims as a whole...they don't behave the way they do becoz of their faith..

[Raaz28]

stupid ass......we would bomb u before any one got a chance :rolleyes: were muslims duh!

chicago? am guessin ure gettin the abu gharib treatment.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

lets not blame anyone...


:wtf:

[*1001Nights*]

chicago? am guessin ure gettin the abu gharib treatment.
um ok i didnt get tht bu nvm u confuse me

[Space-Cowboy]

fuck you. hindus have it easy in bangladesh dipshit. i don't know about pakistan as i don't give a shit bout pakistan. so discuss ure issues somewhere else ******. they don't go massacaring hindus in neighbourhoods so shut up. also it's the same in india, muslims can't celebrate properly. fuck celebration they can't even live and get a decent job without being downgraded so fuck ya all. hypocrite??

let the wolves out!!!!!!!!!!!


Uhh, India is the only non Muslim country that subsidizes Hajj.
As far as not getting a decent job, the richest man in India is Muslim. The President is Muslim.

:idea:

[fratty]

fuck you. hindus have it easy in bangladesh dipshit. i don't know about pakistan as i don't give a shit bout pakistan. so discuss ure issues somewhere else ******. they don't go massacaring hindus in neighbourhoods so shut up. also it's the same in india, muslims can't celebrate properly. fuck celebration they can't even live and get a decent job without being downgraded so fuck ya all. hypocrite??

If muslims have such problems in India, why not move out. But its funny how Bangladeshis Muslims are coming to India in droves. Its also funny how 11% of Bangladesh population is Hindu in 2006 from 37% in 1947. There is obviously, a silent genocide at work in Bangladesh.

[jumpn jza]

Uhh, India is the only non Muslim country that subsidizes Hajj.
As far as not getting a decent job, the richest man in India is Muslim. The President is Muslim.

:idea:

in kerala, muslims were given reservation in colleges under the leftists!

[Space-Cowboy]

in kerala, muslims were given reservation in colleges under the leftists!

As opposed to Bangladesh..... where Hindus and other minorities are completely marginalized.

[jumpn jza]

As opposed to Bangladesh..... where Hindus and other minorities are completely marginalized.

i wouldnt know about bangladesh...send me some links

[fratty]

As opposed to Bangladesh..... where Hindus and other minorities are completely marginalized.

Have you heard of the 1992 Chittagong Hilltract massacre in Bangladesh? The Bangladesh military locked families in their homes and burned them alive. These are native people who subscribe to Buddhism. Here is a video http://www.hrtribune.com/video/chittagong_massacre_01-07.html

[jumpn jza]

Have you heard of the 1992 Chittagong Hilltract massacre in Bangladesh? The Bangladesh military locked families in their homes and burned them alive. These are native people who subscribe to Buddhism. Here is a video http://www.hrtribune.com/video/chittagong_massacre_01-07.html


wtf?? - thats horrible...:no:

[khoza]

WHat about minority rights in Pakistan or Bangladesh? Why is it that the hindu/sikh population in Pakistan went from around 30% to now close to 3%. So don't give me that bullshit. India has even Sharia Courts to allow muslims to decide many civil cases. If you are a minority in Pakistan, you will have no rights. Hindus and Sikhs can't openly celebrate their holidays there. There is the immense threat of extremists there ready to kill them. So please stop with the hypocrisy unless you are ready to criticize Islamic countries.

Erm theres loadssss of Sikhs that come and visit and celebrate their religious festivals in punjab pak and well dont know about Hindus much
:rolleyes: apart from the fact theres many in Sindh :sarb:

[dave302de]

lets blame bin laden and all the muslims! ofcourse this gives indians all rights to go kill the minority muslims in india like the other bombings. democratic = india. bullshit it's a fascist. politicians fuel the situtation while the police turn a blind eye to the massacres and riots occuring in muslim neighbourhoods. to tackle terrorism you have to find the roots and source and i give you the source - massacres, injustice governments, suffering innocents leads to the rise of would be suicide bombers. this is a tested theory. everyone knows fear creates hatred and anger.

my personal view is you want to make a stand go and take out the armies and government officials. their the crooks but then again the indians elected them.??
Blaming the indian government isn't fair. just because the government doesn't take harsh actions against ppl like u for the sake of democracy doesn't mean u can just go off blaming a government that is trying to be as tolerant as possible to minority groups even when they are rowdy and clearly isn't on par with the indian majority.

[~CupCake~]

lets blame bin laden and all the muslims! ofcourse this gives indians all rights to go kill the minority muslims in india like the other bombings. democratic = india. bullshit it's a fascist. politicians fuel the situtation while the police turn a blind eye to the massacres and riots occuring in muslim neighbourhoods. to tackle terrorism you have to find the roots and source and i give you the source - massacres, injustice governments, suffering innocents leads to the rise of would be suicide bombers. this is a tested theory. everyone knows fear creates hatred and anger.

my personal view is you want to make a stand go and take out the armies and government officials. their the crooks but then again the indians elected them.??


what a jerk

[~CupCake~]

:wtf:

as far as i know... no one knows who did it yet... so why blame each others..

[~CupCake~]

WHat about minority rights in Pakistan or Bangladesh? Why is it that the hindu/sikh population in Pakistan went from around 30% to now close to 3%. So don't give me that bullshit. India has even Sharia Courts to allow muslims to decide many civil cases. If you are a minority in Pakistan, you will have no rights. Hindus and Sikhs can't openly celebrate their holidays there. There is the immense threat of extremists there ready to kill them. So please stop with the hypocrisy unless you are ready to criticize Islamic countries.


umm... not true... unlike the riot over religion in india.. there is none in pakistan...

[dave302de]

what a jerk
seriously, ppl like these needs to get shot.

[~CupCake~]

Erm theres loadssss of Sikhs that come and visit and celebrate their religious festivals in punjab pak and well dont know about Hindus much
:rolleyes: apart from the fact theres many in Sindh :sarb:

true... and there is almost no conflict in pakistan as far as the religion is...

[fratty]

umm... not true... unlike the riot over religion in india.. there is none in pakistan...

Because there are no minorities.

[Raaz28]

Uhh, India is the only non Muslim country that subsidizes Hajj.
As far as not getting a decent job, the richest man in India is Muslim. The President is Muslim.

:idea:

either you are seriously fucking stupid which i like to believe or just stupid?
and if you belive what u state then why does the presidnet hold back on riots where 2,500 muslims died. yes 2,500 muslims- innocent civilians not militants or mother fuckin bombers - civilians. 193 killed in the train blast. justified? i don't think so dickhead.

check sky news or the net.
hint of advice. look up your bullshit b4 posting it.

[Raaz28]

Because there are no minorities.

realle. ure just stupid aswell.

[~CupCake~]

Because there are no minorities.

and ur point is??? there is no minorities in pakistan so blame pakistan... what an idiot

[fratty]

and ur point is??? there is no minorities in pakistan so blame pakistan... what an idiot

Because they pushed out all the minorities. Pakistan have a large hindu/sikh population now it doesn't have much of one. India's muslim population has only increased. So you tell me which country is more tolerant.

[~CupCake~]

realle. ure just stupid aswell.

yeah he really is.. i don't understand why he keeps mentioning that... how is that related to anything....

omg blame pakistan for not having other religion .. crackhead :nuts:

[dave302de]

realle. ure just stupid aswell.
u r going to get urself lamed and then banned.

[fratty]

either you are seriously fucking stupid which i like to believe or just stupid?
and if you belive what u state then why does the presidnet hold back on riots where 2,500 muslims died. yes 2,500 muslims- innocent civilians not militants or mother fuckin bombers - civilians. 193 killed in the train blast. justified? i don't think so dickhead.

check sky news or the net.
hint of advice. look up your bullshit b4 posting it.


Its funny how now of us have resorted to personal attacks, but you have. It shows the weakness in your argument.

[dave302de]

and ur point is??? there is no minorities in pakistan so blame pakistan... what an idiot
haha ur a paki. sucks to be u. i think u should ask the indian goverment to let u in seeking asylum and then get an indian citizenship so that u can fit in with the American mainstream.

[fratty]

yeah he really is.. i don't understand why he keeps mentioning that... how is that related to anything....

omg blame pakistan for not having other religion .. crackhead :nuts:

Its called a genocide hunny, Pakistan and Bangladesh have executed a plan of intimidation, persecution, and discrimination against its religious minorities. Hence for the either mass exodus or killing of religious minorities.

[~CupCake~]

Because they pushed out all the minorities. Pakistan have a large hindu/sikh population now it doesn't have much of one. India's muslim population has only increased. So you tell me which country is more tolerant.

dude read the news... there is no religion riots in pakistan.. none whatsoever....... and sialkot and those areas are full on hindus/christians.... unlike india we have no riots over religion.... yes the reason maybe less minorities.. but u can't blame anyone for that....

[~CupCake~]

haha ur a paki. sucks to be u. i think u should ask the indian goverment to let u in seeking asylum and then get an indian citizenship so that u can fit in with the American mainstream.


:Ohno:

[dave302de]

:Ohno:
haha ur faking ur own misery.

[Space-Cowboy]

either you are seriously fucking stupid which i like to believe or just stupid?
and if you belive what u state then why does the presidnet hold back on riots where 2,500 muslims died. yes 2,500 muslims- innocent civilians not militants or mother fuckin bombers - civilians. 193 killed in the train blast. justified? i don't think so dickhead.

check sky news or the net.
hint of advice. look up your bullshit b4 posting it.


Dude shut up, you don't know anything. Stop typing all together. :idea:

[Space-Cowboy]

Its funny how now of us have resorted to personal attacks, but you have. It shows the weakness in your argument.

He doesn't have an argument to begin with.

[~CupCake~]

haha ur faking ur own misery.

what u have to say isn't important.. you are an idiot

[fratty]

dude read the news... there is no religion riots in pakistan.. none whatsoever....... and sialkot and those areas are full on hindus/christians.... unlike india we have no riots over religion.... yes the reason maybe less minorities.. but u can't blame anyone for that....

Haha, you are being completely dishonest. Wasn't there a bombing of Shia areas in Pakistan during the festival of Ashura.

[~CupCake~]

Haha, you are being completely dishonest. Wasn't there a bombing of Shia areas in Pakistan during the festival of Ashura.

that's between muslims... i think we are talking abt minorities here.. wake up

[dave302de]

what u have to say isn't important.. you are an idiot
i did say something important. i said: don't blame the Indian government. i believe its doing a great job with its big diversity scheme.

[fratty]

I will admit India has problems, but its has a sizable muslim population. There are going to be problems between different religious groups. But to tell me that India has been actively trying to persecute and discriminate against muslims is dishonest. If there was a plan then there would be a very small muslim population in India now. Instead India, has one of the largest muslim population in the world second to friggin Indonesia.

[jumpn jza]

either you are seriously fucking stupid which i like to believe or just stupid?
and if you belive what u state then why does the presidnet hold back on riots where 2,500 muslims died. yes 2,500 muslims- innocent civilians not militants or mother fuckin bombers - civilians. 193 killed in the train blast. justified? i don't think so dickhead.

check sky news or the net.
hint of advice. look up your bullshit b4 posting it.

agreed...bad shit happens on both sides, but indian law is relatively quite secular when compared to pakistani laws which make it difficult for hindus for example to live in pakistan according to their own beliefs...there are blasphemy laws which have been abused and used to destroy communities of hindus...

i know what happened in gujurat, and i have a deep rooted hatred for the RSS (they h8 muslims) and other fascist groups...but at the end of the day indian laws are not discriminatory towards muslims...muslims are regarded as being part of the indian social fabric, they vote, the have political parties etc...

The truth is that no one in india is ganging up on the poor, disenfranchised muslims - a lot of hindus themselves hate the organisations that initiated the gujurat riots...

[~CupCake~]

i did say something important. i said: don't blame the Indian government. i believe its doing a great job with its big diversity scheme.

go back and read my first post ...

lets not blame anyone... not like we are isi or raw.... we know nothing abt all this ... guessing who did it isn't right


and also the guy blamed india ... go back read my reply to him

[fratty]

that's between muslims... i think we are talking abt minorities here.. wake up

Ok what about Ahmadis the Pakistani government does not even consider them muslims. They were tried under the Huhond laws. Thats between muslims? So its ok for them to bomb one another due to a different interpretation of Islam. If thats how muslims treat fellow muslims I don't see how beliefs completely different islam are allowed to exist.

[~CupCake~]

I will admit India has problems, but its has a sizable muslim population. There are going to be problems between different religious groups. But to tell me that India has been actively trying to persecute and discriminate against muslims is dishonest. If there was a plan then there would be a very small muslim population in India now. Instead India, has one of the largest muslim population in the world second to friggin Indonesia.


india has a larger... much larger population than pakistan... so ofcourse they have more muslims ... and plus go back read history... after partition pakistan was the area with larger muslim population.. it was an agreement that islamic nation will be where there are more muslims... don't talk when u don't know :hsnono:

[~CupCake~]

Ok what about Ahmadis the Pakistani government does not even consider them muslims. They were tried under the Huhond laws. Thats between muslims? So its ok for them to bomb one another due to a different interpretation of Islam. If thats how muslims treat fellow muslims I don't see how beliefs completely different islam are allowed to exist.

because in the religion of islam anyone who does shirk is a non-muslim...

[P1thug]

Ok what about Ahmadis the Pakistani government does not even consider them muslims. They were tried under the Huhond laws. Thats between muslims? So its ok for them to bomb one another due to a different interpretation of Islam. If thats how muslims treat fellow muslims I don't see how beliefs completely different islam are allowed to exist.
ahmidis r nt muslims

[khanbaba_]

fratty you never fail to ammuse me :rolleyes:

[jumpn jza]

The Lahore High Court has admitted the appeal of Dr. Shaikh, Pakistani rationalist and founder president of "The Enlightenment", against the death sentence awarded to him for blasphemy by the Islamabad additional district and sessions court on 18 August, 2001 . Dr. Shaikh was given only one week's time to appeal in the High Court.

The sister of Dr Shaikh made the appeal on 21 August on behalf of him. A court official has confirmed that the appeal had been admitted.

Dr. Muhammed Younus Shaikh, British educated physician and physiology professor in a local medical college was arrested on 4 October 2000 by the Islamabad police and booked under Section 295 C of the Pakistan Penal Code.

Dr. Shaikh was accused to have defied Prophet Muhammed with his statement that Muhammed did not become a Muslim before the age of forty and that his parents were non-Muslims. Dr. Shaikh was found guilty and convicted under the law that prescribes death sentence if charges of blasphemy are proved. This law was added to the Pakistan Penal Code in 1986 which said whoever made derogatory remarks about Prophet Muhammed "by words either spoken, or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of Holy Prophet Muhammed (PBUH), shall be punished with death or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine."

India does not have ridiculous laws like this...

[~CupCake~]

India does not have ridiculous laws like this...

i looked it up.. especially for you

http://www.washington.edu/uwpress/search/chapters/BRAPRO.pdf

[P1thug]

India does not have ridiculous laws like this...
pakistan doesnt hv riots like this
“ We are Muslims, we are Muslims, please save us. Let us in.”



Teesta Setalvad



Terror stalks the streets of Ahmedabad again, as two persons were shot dead by the police at Dariapur on Sunday evening. The police of the Dariapur Police Station assisted a mob pelting stones at minority pockets in the area. A local resident, Ayub Khan Pathan had his head blown off when he simply stepped out to get take a snapshot and get photographic evidence of police misdemeanors. The violence continued on the morning of April 15 between Delhi Darwaza and Shahibag (where incidentally the Commissioner of Police’s headquarters are located) and the targets were–Kanikhad Muslim Mohalla (where 80 households live) and Sajjan Jamadar Mohalla (where 200-250 families live). The Kanikhad mohalla falls within the Shahpur police station and the Sajjan Jamadar Mohalla at the Dariapur police station.



Worse, or as bad, were the two terror attacks, by mobs of 15-20 and 100-200 respectively on std VIII and IX standard students giving examinations in two separate examination centres at Delhi Darwaza on April 15. Since last Thursday (April 11) students and parents belonging to the minority community have been agitated on the question of the deliberate discrimination in the location of the examination centres by the state government: whereas the location of centres in minority dominated areas were changed by the state government on grounds that it was unsafe for students of the majority community to travel there. For the minority community, that has incidentally been the target of ethnic cleansing and genocide led by the present CM and his cabinet who are cardholders and officebearers of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad/R.S.S. no such concern has been shown; they have been compelled to give examinations in majority dominated areas. This issue has been the subject matter of a writ petition filed by parents from Baroda and Ahmedabad that is scheduled to come up in the Ahmedabad High court on April 16.



Today, in two shocking incidents, two batches of Std VIII and IX students belonging to the minority community were actually threatened by a mob while they were giving their Std VIII and Std IX terminal examinations. This writer spoke to three students who gave her this testimony. There are at least 15 other witnesses to the same incident. The names of the students have been witheld to protect their identity.

[baby khan]

fuck you. hindus have it easy in bangladesh dipshit. i don't know about pakistan as i don't give a shit bout pakistan. so discuss ure issues somewhere else ******. they don't go massacaring hindus in neighbourhoods so shut up. also it's the same in india, muslims can't celebrate properly. fuck celebration they can't even live and get a decent job without being downgraded so fuck ya all.hypocrite??

let the wolves out!!!!!!!!!!!
effin spey i bet u dont say all that shit u sayin on here in real life cuz u know u'll get shot :slap:

[~CupCake~]

pakistan doesnt hv riots like this
“ We are Muslims, we are Muslims, please save us. Let us in.” .


:Peace:

[sameer]

fuck you. hindus have it easy in bangladesh dipshit. i don't know about pakistan as i don't give a shit bout pakistan. so discuss ure issues somewhere else ******. they don't go massacaring hindus in neighbourhoods so shut up. also it's the same in india, muslims can't celebrate properly. fuck celebration they can't even live and get a decent job without being downgraded so fuck ya all. hypocrite??

let the wolves out!!!!!!!!!!!

wow you are a complete idiot. if hindus have it so easy in bangaldesh then why is the population of hindus in bangladesh declining. and if muslims have it so hard in india, why is the population of muslims in india increasing.

[~CupCake~]

wow you are a complete idiot. if hindus have it so easy in bangaldesh then why is the population of hindus in bangladesh declining. and if muslims have it so hard in india, why is the population of muslims in india increasing.

that's because population only increases.... it either increases fast or slow...

don't know nothing abt bangladesh...

[Irreligious Left]

i looked it up.. especially for you

http://www.washington.edu/uwpress/search/chapters/BRAPRO.pdf

How does that contradict what he said? There was no Indian law that sanctioned what happened. The violence was illegal and extra-legal.

[sameer]

As opposed to Bangladesh..... where Hindus and other minorities are completely marginalized.

yep and just like in pakistan the problem is that unless you are muslim you face discrimination. the discrimination may not be apparent in every portion of your life (in fact it wont be) and you may still live a wealthy happy life (as do many muslims in india) but for the most they can't take the life and just decide to leave. its tough to live in an islamic republic if you aren't muslim because they merge their religion with the government.

but its really easy for hindus to live in the usa or europe.

[~CupCake~]

How does that contradict what he said? There was no Indian law that sanctioned what happened. The violence was illegal and extra-legal.

shows that hindu/muslim riots is a big deal in india...


there is hardly any clashes btw hindu/muslim in pakistan

[sameer]

Erm theres loadssss of Sikhs that come and visit and celebrate their religious festivals in punjab pak and well dont know about Hindus much
:rolleyes: apart from the fact theres many in Sindh :sarb:

the hindus in sindh are basically the only hindus in pakistan... and even their numbers are dwindling.

[Irreligious Left]

shows that hindu/muslim riots is a big deal in india...


there is hardly any clashes btw hindu/muslim in pakistan

But it's unresponsive to his statement. He wrote that India does not have blasphemy laws, and you respond that there are Hindu-Muslim clashes in India.

[~CupCake~]

yep and just like in pakistan the problem is that unless you are muslim you face discrimination. the discrimination may not be apparent in every portion of your life (in fact it wont be) and you may still live a wealthy happy life (as do many muslims in india) but for the most they can't take the life and just decide to leave. its tough to live in an islamic republic if you aren't muslim because they merge their religion with the government.

but its really easy for hindus to live in the usa or europe.

not true... pakistani gov't supports everyone...
ahmadis/ismalis/ do shirk .. meaning they refuse to accept mohammad as our last prophet... either you openly say you are a non-muslim or if you are a muslim follow the religion of islam
hindus and chirstians are not discriminated since they are open abt their religion....

[Paki and Proud]

has this been blamed ont he pakistani governemtn yet

[jumpn jza]

pakistan doesnt hv riots like this
“ We are Muslims, we are Muslims, please save us. Let us in.”



Teesta Setalvad



Terror stalks the streets of Ahmedabad again, as two persons were shot dead by the police at Dariapur on Sunday evening. The police of the Dariapur Police Station assisted a mob pelting stones at minority pockets in the area. A local resident, Ayub Khan Pathan had his head blown off when he simply stepped out to get take a snapshot and get photographic evidence of police misdemeanors. The violence continued on the morning of April 15 between Delhi Darwaza and Shahibag (where incidentally the Commissioner of Police’s headquarters are located) and the targets were–Kanikhad Muslim Mohalla (where 80 households live) and Sajjan Jamadar Mohalla (where 200-250 families live). The Kanikhad mohalla falls within the Shahpur police station and the Sajjan Jamadar Mohalla at the Dariapur police station.



Worse, or as bad, were the two terror attacks, by mobs of 15-20 and 100-200 respectively on std VIII and IX standard students giving examinations in two separate examination centres at Delhi Darwaza on April 15. Since last Thursday (April 11) students and parents belonging to the minority community have been agitated on the question of the deliberate discrimination in the location of the examination centres by the state government: whereas the location of centres in minority dominated areas were changed by the state government on grounds that it was unsafe for students of the majority community to travel there. For the minority community, that has incidentally been the target of ethnic cleansing and genocide led by the present CM and his cabinet who are cardholders and officebearers of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad/R.S.S. no such concern has been shown; they have been compelled to give examinations in majority dominated areas. This issue has been the subject matter of a writ petition filed by parents from Baroda and Ahmedabad that is scheduled to come up in the Ahmedabad High court on April 16.



Today, in two shocking incidents, two batches of Std VIII and IX students belonging to the minority community were actually threatened by a mob while they were giving their Std VIII and Std IX terminal examinations. This writer spoke to three students who gave her this testimony. There are at least 15 other witnesses to the same incident. The names of the students have been witheld to protect their identity.


I ADMIT THAT THESE THINGS HAPPEN....and listen carefully, i am no patriot to any country - i criticize hindu nationalists that i know who say "india is for hindus only"...i argue with family friends that support the RSS, i tell them about these horrible things which u mentioned...but i will say one thing though, india's laws are quite secular when compared to pakistan's Blasphemy laws which are just ridiculous...

Im taking about law here - the india is a corrupt country full of corrupt cops, and believe you me...i hate pigs in india! - indian cops have violently tried to exterminate other groups as well, like the naxalites...one of my father's friends was tortured to death becoz the pigs thought he was a naxalite!...

The difference is law....and pakistan's blasphemy laws are a joke...

[~CupCake~]

has this been blamed ont he pakistani governemtn yet

not officially

but i guess ppl here are trying to do that :neutral:

[sameer]

and ur point is??? there is no minorities in pakistan so blame pakistan... what an idiot

yep the constant outflow of minorities has nothing to do with how the minorities are treated. they just randomly decide one day "hey lets uproot my whole family and start over in a new country because im bored".

[jumpn jza]

i looked it up.. especially for you

http://www.washington.edu/uwpress/search/chapters/BRAPRO.pdf

thank you

[P1thug]

I ADMIT THAT THESE THINGS HAPPEN....and listen carefully, i am no patriot to any country - i criticize hindu nationalists that i know who say "india is for hindus only"...i argue with family friends that support the RSS, i tell them about these horrible things which u mentioned...but i will say one thing though, india's laws are quite secular when compared to pakistan's Blasphemy laws which are just ridiculous...

Im taking about law here - the india is a corrupt country full of corrupt cops, and believe you me...i hate pigs in india! - indian cops have violently tried to exterminate other groups as well, like the naxalites...one of my father's friends was tortured to death becoz the pigs thought he was a naxalite!...

The difference is law....and pakistan's blasphemy laws are a joke...
laws r nt a joke its coz pakistan is a islamic country so its laws r islamic

[sameer]

dude read the news... there is no religion riots in pakistan.. none whatsoever....... and sialkot and those areas are full on hindus/christians.... unlike india we have no riots over religion.... yes the reason maybe less minorities.. but u can't blame anyone for that....

lol if the hindus started or participated in any type of religious riot in pakistan, pretty much every single hindu in that community/city would be hunted down

[~CupCake~]

lol if the hindus started or participated in any type of religious riot in pakistan, pretty much every single hindu in that community/city would be hunted down

just like every single muslim who would do it or even the ones who don't are hunted down in india

[sameer]

that's between muslims... i think we are talking abt minorities here.. wake up

if minority muslims are treated like that... no surprise how they treat minority non muslims

[~CupCake~]

if minority muslims are treated like that... no surprise how they treat minority non muslims

shia/sunni riots are not the same as hindu/muslims riots..

don't compare the two

[sameer]

that's because population only increases.... it either increases fast or slow...

don't know nothing abt bangladesh...

lol well not at the pace that muslims are increasing in india. thats no random coincidence. just like hispanic increase in the usa. its not just childbirth. its because they like the country.

and hindu population in pakistan is not increasing.

[sameer]

shia/sunni riots are not the same as hindu/muslims riots..

don't compare the two

of course they arent the same. hindus are treated worse obviously.

[~CupCake~]

lol well not at the pace that muslims are increasing in india. thats no random coincidence. just like hispanic increase in the usa. its not just childbirth. its because they like the country.

and hindu population in pakistan is not increasing.

it is increasing.. it seems less only because there is less hindus in pakistan as compared to muslims in india...

[Irreligious Left]

just like every single muslim who would do it or even the ones who don't are hunted down in india

Some perspective here. 3,000 or so Muslims died in the Gujurat riots. there are about 150,000,000 Muslims in India. Every single Muslim was not hunted down and killed.

[jumpn jza]

laws r nt a joke its coz pakistan is a islamic country so its laws r islamic

yes but those laws are oppressive to non-muslims...i mean, the death sentence is prescribed for anyone who insults the prophet Mohammad !!, what kind of sick and inhumane constitution would allow these things to happen ??

On the other hand, if a muslim insults a hindu diety, there are no laws to punish that in india...why?? - becoz india has secular laws which are tolerant of various faiths...

so u can criticize the horrible shit that goes on in india (as i do)...but in no way is the government in india ganging up on the muslims...lol

but pakistan's loaded laws are geared to oppress...

[sameer]

just like every single muslim who would do it or even the ones who don't are hunted down in india

really? there have been many cases of muslims rioting in religous riots in india. looks like there are still a hundred million muslims in india.

ive never heard of a hindu/muslim riot in pakistan because the hindus are supressed to the point where they know a religious riot would be a deathwish. they dont get involved in that stuff.

but in india, muslims are free enough to do even things like that.

[sameer]

it is increasing.. it seems less only because there is less hindus in pakistan as compared to muslims in india...

little girl, thats why you compare percentages. anyway i do believe the hindu population is decreasing.

anyway do u have sources?

[~CupCake~]

of course they arent the same. hindus are treated worse obviously.
just like shia/sunni riots in pakistan.. you guys have to deal with ur caste system riots first :hand:

[P1thug]

yes but those laws are oppressive to non-muslims...i mean, the death sentence is prescribed for anyone who insults the prophet Mohammad !!, what kind of sick and inhumane constitution would allow these things to happen ??

On the other hand, if a muslim insults a hindu diety, there are no laws to punish that in india...why?? - becoz india has secular laws which are tolerant of various faiths...

so u can criticize the horrible shit that goes on in india (as i do)...but in no way is the government in india ganging up on the muslims...lol

but pakistan's loaded laws are geared to oppress...
laws r same for every1 whether u r muslim or non muslim laws are not made for any particular releagion thy r fr every1 and every country have thr own laws if u live in the country u shud obey its law

[~CupCake~]

really? there have been many cases of muslims rioting in religous riots in india. looks like there are still a hundred million muslims in india.

ive never heard of a hindu/muslim riot in pakistan because the hindus are supressed to the point where they know a religious riot would be a deathwish. they dont get involved in that stuff.

but in india, muslims are free enough to do even things like that.

because there are none

[sameer]

not true... pakistani gov't supports everyone...
ahmadis/ismalis/ do shirk .. meaning they refuse to accept mohammad as our last prophet... either you openly say you are a non-muslim or if you are a muslim follow the religion of islam
hindus and chirstians are not discriminated since they are open abt their religion....

really hindus and christians are not discriminated against? and u are the one sitting here in the west judging that. why not ask the hindus and christians of pakistan (and those who have recently left) if they feel/felt discriminated against.

oh wait that would be people like my family. and they'll tell u they faced discrimination. but of course dont believe that and dont believe the stories in newspapers like the Dawn, a leading paper, but believe your fantasy stories that your parents tell you.

[sameer]

because there are none

yes exactly because hindus are supressed to the point where they wouldnt dare to do so.

how did u miss that part of my post? little slow?

[Ugly_Desi]

little girl, thats why you compare percentages. anyway i do believe the hindu population is decreasing.

anyway do u have sources?
Hindu population is not decreasing...it is increasing...but a little slower than Muslim population.

Edit: wait...u speaking of India or Pakistan?

.

[~CupCake~]

really hindus and christians are not discriminated against? and u are the one sitting here in the west judging that. why not ask the hindus and christians of pakistan (and those who have recently left) if they feel/felt discriminated against.

oh wait that would be people like my family. and they'll tell u they faced discrimination. but of course dont believe that and dont believe the stories in newspapers like the Dawn, a leading paper, but believe your fantasy stories that your parents tell you.

i have enough hindu/christian friends from pakistan..

and oh wait my family was discriminated against in india too...

you don't know .. you don't talk

[~CupCake~]

yes exactly because hindus are supressed to the point where they wouldnt dare to do so.

how did u miss that part of my post? little slow?

you are simply blaming pakistan for not having enough hindu/christian population and now you are finding lame excuses for that...

[sameer]

just like shia/sunni riots in pakistan.. you guys have to deal with ur caste system riots first :hand:

lol. how is that relevent to minorities being discriminated against in pakistan. plus at least i dont see suicide bombings related to any caste issues.

its pretty much just an economical/social issue nowadays and pakistan is in much worse shape economically than india. the shia sunni thing is religious/violent in comparison.

[Ugly_Desi]

you are simply blaming pakistan for not having enough hindu/christian population and now you are finding lame excuses for that...
Hindus dont have it good in Pakistan...lets not be in denial. Heck...muslim shias are having problems there...let alone Hindus.

.

[sameer]

you are simply blaming pakistan for not having enough hindu/christian population and now you are finding lame excuses for that...

whose fault is it that pakistan did have a sizeable hindu population even POST partition. but since then its treatment of minorities has caused even those who stayed behind to leave.

[jumpn jza]

laws r same for every1 whether u r muslim or non muslim laws are not made for any particular releagion thy r fr every1 and every country have thr own laws if u live in the country u shud obey its law

I have nothing wrong with obeying the law of a country, but with what legitimacy?? - is pakistan democratic?? - do the minorities in pakistan have any say in government policy as they would in india?? - the answer is no, and thats the struggle faced by non-muslims in pakistan...

[~CupCake~]

lol. how is that relevent to minorities being discriminated against in pakistan. plus at least i dont see suicide bombings related to any caste issues.

its pretty much just an economical/social issue nowadays and pakistan is in much worse shape economically than india. the shia sunni thing is religious/violent in comparison.

you guys are the one who brought up shia/sunni topic so deal with what's going on in ur country first...

[sameer]

Hindu population is not decreasing...it is increasing...but a little slower than Muslim population.

Edit: wait...u speaking of India or Pakistan?

.

im talking about pakistan.

[sameer]

you guys are the one who brought up shia/sunni topic so deal with what's going on in ur country first...

no country is perfect. but if you want to make comparisons at least bring up a relevent comparison.

[~CupCake~]

Hindus dont have it good in Pakistan...lets not be in denial. Heck...muslim shias are having problems there...let alone Hindus.

.

dude where do u live???

in pakistan no one waste their time killing hindus/christians... their population is so less it ain't gonna make a difference if anyone discriminate agianst them does try.....

and having less minorities is not somehting pakistan should be blamed for

[sameer]

i have enough hindu/christian friends from pakistan..

and oh wait my family was discriminated against in india too...

you don't know .. you don't talk

describe the descrimination.

tell us about your hindu/christian friends in pakistan.

[~CupCake~]

no country is perfect. but if you want to make comparisons at least bring up a relevent comparison.

go back and read the first shia/sunni issue .. it was a comment made by an smartass hindu

[~CupCake~]

describe the descrimination.

tell us about your hindu/christian friends in pakistan.

wikipedia

oh and its discrimination

[sameer]

in pakistan no one waste their time killing hindus/christians

yeah they just make life hard for them so they end up leaving instead. good plan, less violent for a change.

[sameer]

wikipedia

oh and its discrimination

kinda shows how desperate you are that the only thing u can say in reply is to correct an accidental misspelling of a word (especially one that i spelled correctly several times already in the thread)

[~CupCake~]

yeah they just make life hard for them so they end up leaving instead. good plan, less violent for a change.

not true.... i have enough pakistani hindu/christian friends there who are living a decent life in pakistan...

like i said.. you don't know.. you don't talk

[desi_uk_jatt]

lolz at you all fighting on your own issuses....

the bomb blasts are linked to kashmir..
so keep the khalistan, and pakistan minorities out of it...

[desi_uk_jatt]

PS: I don't give a fuck about khalistan...

[desi_uk_jatt]

not true.... i have enough pakistani hindu/christian friends there who are living a decent life in pakistan...

like i said.. you don't know.. you don't talkhis family suffered in pakistan, so he knows :yes:

[sameer]

go back and read the first shia/sunni issue .. it was a comment made by an smartass hindu

you are so slow in the head its amazing. someone brought up the shia/sunni issue and u in return compared it to the dissolving caste system in india. im saying that u should have picked a relevent comparison.

the caste system doesnt compare to shia/sunni as i pointed out in an earlier post.

leave this type of discussion to the men, sweetheart

[~CupCake~]

his family suffered in pakistan, so he knows :yes:

my family suffered in india.. so i know

[~CupCake~]

you are so slow in the head its amazing. someone brought up the shia/sunni issue and u in return compared it to the dissolving caste system in india. im saying that u should have picked a relevent comparison.

the caste system doesnt compare to shia/sunni as i pointed out in an earlier post.

leave this type of discussion to the men, sweetheart


yeah now sex discrimination...

[desi_uk_jatt]

my family suffered in india.. so i know
can you repeat your problem with india..

[~CupCake~]

miz jatti... i see u...

did you study last night?

[sameer]

not true.... i have enough pakistani hindu/christian friends there who are living a decent life in pakistan...

like i said.. you don't know.. you don't talk

right. thats why u said your family faces discrimination in india. i asked u to describe it. and u said look it up on wikipedia. you sound really credible.

and i also asked u to provide info on all these hindu/christian pakistani friends. u didnt. very credible.

and i know more hindus in pakistan/from pakistan than you do. oh wait my whole family is from pakistan. im the first person in my extended family to even be born in the west.

[desi_uk_jatt]

miz jatti... i see u...

did you study last night?offtopic

[Miz Jatti]

TIME OUT!!!



Let's just acknowledge that we all have certain valid points in our arguments and look at the bigger picture.

Attacks like these are deliberately aimed at fuelling hatred and religious fanaticism and further segragating relations between India and Pakistan. Classic example is this thread and the way that we're forming divides.

We're tomorrow's future, it's up to us to learn tolerance but moreover, actually practice it.

[sameer]

yeah now sex discrimination...

you should be used to that.

[~CupCake~]

right. thats why u said your family faces discrimination in india. i asked u to describe it. and u said look it up on wikipedia. you sound really credible.

and i also asked u to provide info on all these hindu/christian pakistani friends. u didnt. very credible.

and i know more hindus in pakistan/from pakistan than you do. oh wait my whole family is from pakistan. im the first person in my extended family to even be born in the west.


looks like you have enough time to sit here and talk abt all this all day...


me on the other hand sameer... would rather not.... i got better things to do...


yeah lame me ban me... whatever

[desi_uk_jatt]

TIME OUT!!!



Let's just acknowledge that we all have certain valid points in our arguments and look at the bigger picture.

Attacks like these are deliberately aimed at fuelling hatred and religious fanaticism and further segragating relations between India and Pakistan. Classic example is this thread and the way that we're forming divides.

We're tomorrow's future, it's up to us to learn tolerance but moreover, actually practice it.Exactly, i have paki mates here.. who dont give a fuck about these things...

u all should be like this

[~CupCake~]

TIME OUT!!!



Let's just acknowledge that we all have certain valid points in our arguments and look at the bigger picture.

Attacks like these are deliberately aimed at fuelling hatred and religious fanaticism and further segragating relations between India and Pakistan. Classic example is this thread and the way that we're forming divides.

We're tomorrow's future, it's up to us to learn tolerance but moreover, actually practice it.

exactly...

my first post was : lets not blame anyone for that... like i said neither one of us are in ISI or RAW... so who knows who did it


and then some hindus all started blaming pakistan.... its a norm... they always do it without any proof

[baby khan]

not true.... i have enough pakistani hindu/christian friends there who are living a decent life in pakistan...

like i said.. you don't know.. you don't talk
my family knows loads of christians in pakistan and some hindus and we've talked to them about how their lives are over there like do they have decent lifestyles cuz of them being christian and hindu and all of them said NO :neutral:

[Miz Jatti]

miz jatti... i see u...

did you study last night?


y0 muff-cake!! i havent logged onto RD for a good 10 hours!!!!!! :dance3:




:ashamed: it's like a drug .. it keeps callin my name ....

[~CupCake~]

my family knows loads of christians in pakistan and some hindus and we've talked to them about how their lives are over there like do they have decent lifestyles cuz of them being christian and hindu and all of them said NO :neutral:

that's your stand...

[~CupCake~]

y0 muff-cake!! i havent logged onto RD for a good 10 hours!!!!!! :dance3:




:ashamed: it's like a drug .. it keeps callin my name ....


you are here now...

i m in search for a good RD thread... this is one is getting boring and annoying.. find me one plzzz

[baby khan]

that's your stand...
wat do u mean my stand? :sarb:

[~CupCake~]

wat do u mean my stand? :sarb:

oh i forgot.. you are a drop out

[baby khan]

oh i forgot.. you are a drop out
OH WAIT ACTUALLY I GOT ACCEPTED TO A CHARTER SCHOOL :)

[Miz Jatti]

:ashamed: oh man, this was gearin up to be a right proper e-fight and i killed it with my peace talks.


well sod the peace talks ... let's fight :dance3: :dance3:


*hurls a bomb and dives out of thread

[devilsmaster2]

exactly...

my first post was : lets not blame anyone for that... like i said neither one of us are in ISI or RAW... so who knows who did it


and then some hindus all started blaming pakistan.... its a norm... they always do it without any proof

Fuck pakistan...all terrorism is linked to muslims anyway so why the hell is pakistan bumsucking the US by condeming the attacks..musharraf or whatever useless prick runs pakistan probably gave the orders for the attack anyway

[Ugly_Desi]

dude where do u live???

in pakistan no one waste their time killing hindus/christians... their population is so less it ain't gonna make a difference if anyone discriminate agianst them does try.....

and having less minorities is not somehting pakistan should be blamed for
First of all, the invention of Pakistan was based upon discrimination...an exclusive Muslim state...hence many hindus were forced to flee Pakistan and killed.

Second of all, the extremist atmosphere in Pakistan has to do alot with the population decrease of Hindus. Just like how hindu population will not increase in Saudi.

Third, lets talk about wasting time...as u put it.
Temples are demolished: The only Hindu temple in the Pakistani city of Lahore has been demolished to pave the way for construction of a multi-storied commerical building.
Link (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:aX64wp-AjAsJ:us.rediff.com/news/2006/jun/13temple.htm+building+temple+pakistan&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us)

Building a new temple is as impossible as building a mosque in Antarctica. So dont tell me 'no one wastes their time killing'....cause they can also kill (in this case suffocate) in other ways.

Fourth, look at the current gov. or should i say dictator. He allied with Taliban then did a 180 and is US little bitch. We all know much Talibans loved Hindus. :no:

[Westcoast91]

Sameer, have you considered making registration to these forums IDK...a bit more selective? Maybe a simple reading comprehension exam, followed by an arithmetic intensive math quiz (with focus on stuff like properly comparing two different data sets...i.e. proportions)?

Because, dear god there are some dump people here. At the risk of coming off sounding fallacious*, I believe you are wasting your time arguing with one.

*(ad hominem)

[Cunard]

well fuck...this thread turned to shit real quick

[khoza]

There'll come a time when the entire Hindustan will be under the banner of Islam inshallah through peaceful means, just look at the rising Muslim population in India its growing fast...its fate :p *runs away and hides*

[Westcoast91]

oh i forgot.. you are a drop out

Nice try with the low blow. Getting a little desperate?

[whiteass]

5 unexploded bombs have also been found on the rail line :no:


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/bbc_logo.gif

Dozens dead in India train blasts

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42587000/jpg/_42587185_carriages_grab203.jpg
The fire engulfed two carriages on the Samjhauta Express

At least 66 people have been killed in a series of explosions and a fire on a Pakistan-bound train in the northern Indian state of Haryana, officials say.
Passengers reported hearing two blasts as the train passed near Panipat, about 80km (50 miles) north of Delhi.

The train - the Samjhauta Express - was part of a service taking passengers from Delhi to Lahore in Pakistan.

The incident comes a day before Pakistan's Foreign Minister is due in Delhi for talks with Indian leaders.

The minister, Khurshid Kasuri, said the explosion was a "horrendous act of terrorism" but it would not change his plans to visit India from 20 to 23 February.

Innocent men and women had been killed, he said, a sentiment echoed by Indian Railways Minister Lalu Prasad Yadav who told a news conference that the blast were aimed at undermining relations between the two countries.

"It is an effort to destabilise peace between India, Pakistan. Innocent people have been killed."

Pakistan said most of the dead were Pakistanis and Pakistani foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam demanded India act.

"We expect Indian authorities to punish the perpetrators," she said, stressing that it was India's responsibility to ensure proper security for the twice-weekly service which runs from the Indian capital to Lahore in Pakistan.

After a two-year gap, the service was restarted in 2004 as part of the peace process between the two countries.

'Loud explosion'

A couple of small blasts took place in two carriages at about midnight (1830 GMT), as the train reached a station in the village of Deewana.

The train came to a standstill and a ball of fire then engulfed the two coaches.

The injured were pulled out of the burning carriages onto the trackside by fellow passengers, and local residents rushed to the tracks to help.


"I heard a loud explosion and then it was all smoke," passenger Tara Chand was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.

"Looking at the intensity of the smoke, many people must have suffocated to death before being charred."

Security precautions on the train meant many doors were bolted shut and most windows had bars covering them which may have trapped some passengers inside.

The BBC's Soutik Biswas saw the two burnt-out carriages and said smoke was still coming out of them hours after the explosions.

The heat of the flames had peeled the blue paint off the coaches, he said, and oil and burnt cinders littered the tracks.

He went into one of the carriages and saw boxes of food and spices that many of the passengers would have been taking as gifts to friends and relatives in Pakistan.

Shiv Ram, a police railway constable, was one of the first officials on the scene.

"In 30 years of service I haven't seen anything like this," he told our correspondent.

"The coaches were totally engulfed in flames. I brought out three charred women - I could only recognise them as women because they were wearing bangles".

'Anguish and grief'

The burnt-out carriages have been moved away from the scene of the fire to a railway siding a couple of kilometres away for forensic examination.

Railway officials said five small explosive devices capable of causing a huge fire were defused at the site.

The train carried more than 500 passengers, a mix of Indians and Pakistanis - but most of the victims are believed to have been Pakistanis.

Prime Minister Singh expressed his "anguish and grief" at the deaths.

"The culprits will be caught," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6374377.stm


:( :(

[devilsmaster2]

muslims in india are nothing more than servants..ever read the news story about muslims in india living in worse conditions than the lowest caste hindus :p

[whiteass]

Don't be surprised if indian politicians are behind these bombings. Everytime a U.S ambassador visits india, kasmiri pundits or sikhs in kashmir die mysterious deaths.

Terrorism, yes!

:think:

[baby khan]

Nice try with the low blow. Getting a little desperate?
bitch had nothing to say after i said i got accepted into a charter school :sarb:

[whiteass]

lets not blame anyone...


what happened was tragic.. all the innocent ones died....

That's ok if you want to let innocent people to keep on dying. :neutral:

[devilsmaster2]

this is gold
http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-bidwai251106.htm

[Miz Jatti]

There'll come a time when the entire Hindustan will be under the banner of Islam inshallah through peaceful means, just look at the rising Muslim population in India its growing fast...its fate :p *runs away and hides*


:Punch: yeah run away and hide you fucker



What the hell happened to live and let live, you shit-spouting scum bucket? Hindustan is and always will be a secular country. So go shove that up your ****.

[Miz Jatti]

bitch had nothing to say after i said i got accepted into a charter school :sarb:


y0 - muff-cake is one smart cookie. dont diss her :Punch:

[whiteass]

Oh gosh, RIP :(
But you know who to point fingers at :no:

Who? :sarb:

[Geezer]

well fuck...this thread turned to shit real quick

What did you expect.

[Cunard]

this is gold
http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-bidwai251106.htm

muslims are doing poorly in the west as well when compared to sikhs and hindus....is that to say its discrimination or just a lack of interest of becoming intergrated into a society they choose to live in and then playing the "victim" card

intergration into society is key

[~CupCake~]

y0 - muff-cake is one smart cookie. dont diss her :Punch:


:cheers:

[baby khan]

y0 - muff-cake is one smart cookie. dont diss her :Punch:
i wasnt trying to..i just had to say wat i had to say since she doesnt obviously know me

[Cunard]

What did you expect.

:neutral:

[khoza]

:Punch: yeah run away and hide you fucker



What the hell happened to live and let live, you shit-spouting scum bucket? Hindustan is and always will be a secular country. So go shove that up your ****.

:o ...well i was just looking into my glass ball :p

[Paki and Proud]

i by god hope that people on here are not blaming pakis for this.

[Geezer]

:neutral:

Can I move it big guy??

[whiteass]

They staged 1984..a tank inside a temple!

Which incident is this? :neutral:

[devilsmaster2]

muslims are doing poorly in the west as well when compared to sikhs and hindus....is that to say its discrimination or just a lack of interest of becoming intergrated into a society they choose to live in and then playing the "victim" card

intergration into society is key

who said anything about integration??? i was laughing at the stupid mother fuckers :p

[Miz Jatti]

i by god hope that people on here are not blaming pakis for this.



:dance3: :dance3: yeah we are.



:squint: watcha gonna do bout that mister paki and proud?






:ashamed: sorry, i realise i have contributed a fair bit towards killing this thread. but on the plus side, at least no civilians were killed.




:neutral:

[Geezer]

Which incident is this? :neutral:

Are you serious?

:neutral:

[~CupCake~]

if all we are doing is e-fight.. lets find a better topic...


i'll pick my team...

who wants to be the captain of the second team??

[whiteass]

http://www.coolbuddy.com/greet/IMGS/TH_FLASH/India.gif

:dance3: :dance3:

[Miz Jatti]

:o ...well i was just looking into my glass ball :p



here's an idea ... look again cos the next time you'll see it, it'll be up your arse

[~CupCake~]

here's an idea ... look again cos the next time you'll see it, it'll be up your arse

:roflbow:

[Miz Jatti]

Are you serious?

:neutral:


:roflbow:

[Cunard]

Can I move it big guy??

oh go for it...no need to ask

[Cunard]

who said anything about integration??? i was laughing at the stupid mother fuckers :p

???

[Miz Jatti]

:dance3: :dance3:


dude dunno why ur jumpin round like you've just contracted chlymida in response to that post. how the hell can you not know 1984 and yet be all patriotic? :neutral:

[whiteass]

stupid ass......we would bomb u before any one got a chance :rolleyes: were muslims duh!

You what? :sarb:

[Tigr]

Sameer, have you considered making registration to these forums IDK...a bit more selective? Maybe a simple reading comprehension exam, followed by an arithmetic intensive math quiz (with focus on stuff like properly comparing two different data sets...i.e. proportions)?

Because, dear god there are some dump people here. At the risk of coming off sounding fallacious*, I believe you are wasting your time arguing with one.

*(ad hominem)

An IQ test would be more appropriate, but then Sameer believes in diversity. Plus...you need hot chicks too.

[desi_uk_jatt]

Which incident is this? :neutral::roflbow:

[whiteass]

WHat about minority rights in Pakistan or Bangladesh? Why is it that the hindu/sikh population in Pakistan went from around 30% to now close to 3%. So don't give me that bullshit. India has even Sharia Courts to allow muslims to decide many civil cases. If you are a minority in Pakistan, you will have no rights. Hindus and Sikhs can't openly celebrate their holidays there. There is the immense threat of extremists there ready to kill them. So please stop with the hypocrisy unless you are ready to criticize Islamic countries.

They probably decided to move on. :neutral:

[Geezer]

An IQ test would be more appropriate, but then Sameer believes in diversity. Plus...you need hot chicks too.

We do sacrifice a lot for hot girls on here dont we lol

[~CupCake~]

They probably decided to move on. :neutral:

stop replying to posts on page 3...


what you got now?? fresh fresh!!!

[devilsmaster2]

i posted that to laugh at muslims cunard not to emphasize integartion....everyone should get the privelege of being able to treat muslims like scum

[Geezer]

i posted that to laugh at muslims cunard not to emphasize integartion....everyone should get the privelege of being able to treat muslims like scum

Well isnt is just ironic that you wont get that privilege on RD.

[sameer]

my family knows loads of christians in pakistan and some hindus and we've talked to them about how their lives are over there like do they have decent lifestyles cuz of them being christian and hindu and all of them said NO :neutral:

people like her dont listen. they just claim that minorities in pakistan feel no discrimination even though the minorities themselves say they feel discrimination. the only reason one would take a stand like that is because they do not want to believe the truth.

the minorities themselves say there is discrimination but people in the majority like her reply with "i see no discrimination". sounds kinda stupid to me.

[sameer]

muslims are doing poorly in the west as well when compared to sikhs and hindus....is that to say its discrimination or just a lack of interest of becoming intergrated into a society they choose to live in and then playing the "victim" card

intergration into society is key

yep i saw some uk statistics regarding income level and exam scores. it wasnt broken up by religion but pakistanis and bengalis were on the low end with blacks while indians were on par with whites.

i think in the usa its a bit more even though.