OK … what I meant to say is Srilanka is the 14th richest country in ASIA … INDIA is

[vijay00]

OK … what I meant to say is Srilanka is the 14th richest country in ASIA … INDIA is 18 and Pakistan ? (U tell me Dr.cool)

DR. COOL u are not "cool" ... u are on crack >>> u make me sick :2gun:

racist bastard!

i say good day to u sir! :wavey:

[MissAdore]

stop already? :neutral:

please?

[cutenoreen]

Please contain all your Sri Lanka topics to one thread.

[vijay00]

OK … what I meant to say is Srilanka is the 14th richest country in ASIA … INDIA is 18 and Pakistan ? (U tell me Dr.cool)

DR. COOL u are not "cool" ... u are on crack >>> u make me sick :2gun:

racist bastard!

i say good day to u sir! :wavey:

the source:
http://www.aneki.com/asia_richest.html

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[vijay00]

Please contain all your Sri Lanka topics to one thread.
Rank Country GDP - per capita
1 Japan $ 28,200
2 Singapore $ 23,700
3 Brunei $ 18,600
4 Korea, South $ 17,800
5 Palau $ 9,000
6 Malaysia $ 9,000
7 Thailand $ 7,400
8 Turkey $ 6,700
9 Kazakhstan $ 6,300
10 Turkmenistan $ 5,800
11 China $ 5,000
12 Philippines $ 4,600
13 Maldives $ 3,900
14 Sri Lanka $ 3,700
15 Armenia $ 3,500
16 Azerbaijan $ 3,400
17 Indonesia $ 3,200
18 India $ 2,900
19 Vietnam $ 2,500
20 Papua New Guinea $ 2,200

[Corporate Angel]

Rank Country GDP - per capita
1 Japan $ 28,200
2 Singapore $ 23,700
3 Brunei $ 18,600
4 Korea, South $ 17,800
5 Palau $ 9,000
6 Malaysia $ 9,000
7 Thailand $ 7,400
8 Turkey $ 6,700
9 Kazakhstan $ 6,300
10 Turkmenistan $ 5,800
11 China $ 5,000
12 Philippines $ 4,600
13 Maldives $ 3,900
14 Sri Lanka $ 3,700
15 Armenia $ 3,500
16 Azerbaijan $ 3,400
17 Indonesia $ 3,200
18 India $ 2,900
19 Vietnam $ 2,500
20 Papua New Guinea $ 2,200
pakistan is not even in the top 20, why am i not surprised???

[PakPlaya69]

pakistan is not even in the top 20, why am i not surprised???

Fair enough Pakistan ain in top 20 but more than half of these countries ain even able to defend themselves , where as pakis are self sufficient when it comes to the defence of their motherland , all our money goes to buy the weapons to defend ourseleves from our next door neighbour ,, we would rather have a country that is able to stand on its feet than to lick somone elses balls to defend our land :mad:

[poojasxy]

yay for singapore!

[kinshu]

Fair enough Pakistan ain in top 20 but more than half of these countries ain even able to defend themselves , where as pakis are self sufficient when it comes to the defence of their motherland , all our money goes to buy the weapons to defend ourseleves from our next door neighbour ,, we would rather have a country that is able to stand on its feet than to lick somone elses balls to defend our land :mad:

What a joke, why not help the people more with the money?

Remember, India never attacked pakistan, pakistan attacked india.

[dr_sinister1001]

Yeah but dude we all got pwned by the Maldives... do you know how tiny the Maldives is? That's sad.

:idea:

[KingDiamond]

Rank Country GDP - per capita
1 Japan $ 28,200
2 Singapore $ 23,700
3 Brunei $ 18,600
4 Korea, South $ 17,800
5 Palau $ 9,000
6 Malaysia $ 9,000
7 Thailand $ 7,400
8 Turkey $ 6,700
9 Kazakhstan $ 6,300
10 Turkmenistan $ 5,800
11 China $ 5,000
12 Philippines $ 4,600
13 Maldives $ 3,900
14 Sri Lanka $ 3,700
15 Armenia $ 3,500
16 Azerbaijan $ 3,400
17 Indonesia $ 3,200
18 India $ 2,900
19 Vietnam $ 2,500
20 Papua New Guinea $ 2,200


First off, Kazakhstan is doing VERRR NICE!

Secondly, what bullshit. The vast oil wealth has led those countries to become VERY top heavy with the wealth distribution. I dont think it paints a very accurate picture at all, of the average conditions in the country.

[PakPlaya69]

What a joke, why not help the people more with the money?

Remember, India never attacked pakistan, pakistan attacked india.


Don start again ok , besides india have more poor and more people living under the line of poverty than pakistan and no it ain because there is more people in india, fighting for your right is just and if it takes attacking a blood thirsty country , its alright :p

[KingDiamond]

Don start again ok , besides india have more poor and more people living under the line of poverty than pakistan and no it ain because there is more people in india, fighting for your right is just and if it takes attacking a blood thirsty country , its alright :p

Kind of like America attacking Iraq, Afghanistan, supporting Israel, and sights set on Iran?

:rofl:

Silly boy.

The things that keep Pakistan down, are the same things that define Pakistan as different from India. Always remember that :rofl:

[kinshu]

Don start again ok , besides india have more poor and more people living under the line of poverty than pakistan and no it ain because there is more people in india, fighting for your right is just and if it takes attacking a blood thirsty country , its alright :p

Man you can't disregard population!

India a blood thirsty country? First pervez bans bollywood movies, now he says this?

[poojasxy]

yes. its sad that 3rd world nations are having conflict with each other.

wish u all can be in singapore lah. :)

[PakPlaya69]

Man you can't disregard population!

India a blood thirsty country? First pervez bans bollywood movies, now he says this?

Yeah blood thirsty country , ohh you have already forgotten what happened in Gujrat and Barbari mosque incident , what a typical indian , a week and a 1000 muslims get slaughter like animals , wowowow , bollywood movies never got banned and next time you use an honourable persons name use Mr, President .. cheers :p

[kinshu]

Yeah blood thirsty country , ohh you have already forgotten what happened in Gujrat and Barbari mosque incident , what a typical indian , a week and a 1000 muslims get slaughter like animals , wowowow , bollywood movies never got banned and next time you use an honourable persons name use Mr, President .. cheers :p

The example you used is no different then shit that goes on in any country. How about how many Shiites can treated poorly in Sunni areas in Pakistan?

Man I'm pretty sure bollywood movies are banned or were banned in Pakistan. Every bollywood movie there is bootleg.

[PaiN infLictioN]

let me guess....Bangladesh is last :no:

[kinshu]

Yeah blood thirsty country , ohh you have already forgotten what happened in Gujrat and Barbari mosque incident , what a typical indian , a week and a 1000 muslims get slaughter like animals , wowowow , bollywood movies never got banned and next time you use an honourable persons name use Mr, President .. cheers :p

At least a muslim can rise in our country and be a president. You think Pakistan would ever let a hindu get that high in their country?

[KingDiamond]

The example you used is no different then shit that goes on in any country. How about how many Shiites can treated poorly in Sunni areas in Pakistan?

Man I'm pretty sure bollywood movies are banned or were banned in Pakistan. Every bollywood movie there is bootleg.

lol dont bother reasoning with him.

you wanna see pakistani violence?

baluchistan ftL.

[PakPlaya69]

Mhmm. Naming missles after Afghan and Mughal warriors isn't licking someone else's balls. Even Afghan officials condemned that, and a former RD Afghan poster Mezaros wasn't too happy with that either.

Wow need i teach you a history lesson ??? They werent just mughal and afghans they were msulim warriors who we belong to as much as afghanis and besides them afghanis specially the tajik uzbik and others hate us anyway , apprently after getting refuge and calling our country their home when they move to europe or US or Australia they start thinking they are all that , well i guess that as afghan traditiojn to change sides in a blink of an eye, :mad:

[PakPlaya69]

The example you used is no different then shit that goes on in any country. How about how many Shiites can treated poorly in Sunni areas in Pakistan?

Man I'm pretty sure bollywood movies are banned or were banned in Pakistan. Every bollywood movie there is bootleg.

Wow , guess what im a shia and been to pakistan alot , our family back home live in a sunni majority area and we don see nothing , when i say nothing it means nohting at all , so get your facts right before you start comparing our situation to the religious riots in india,,

Trust me bollywood movies were never banned , we are the biggest market that india relies on , go and google it

[dr_sinister1001]

You know that Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and Christianity started in Pakistan? Right? :shock:

:idea:

[PakPlaya69]

At least a muslim can rise in our country and be a president. You think Pakistan would ever let a hindu get that high in their country?


Oh yeah after killing a million if you let one muslim rise , what the miracle in that , besides its a political motivated move which any normal person with average mind can understand , Hindus in pakistan are better treated than the low caste hindus in india,

[BKnight]

Wow , guess what im a shia and been to pakistan alot , our family back home live in a sunni majority area and we don see nothing , when i say nothing it means nohting at all , so get your facts right before you start comparing our situation to the religious riots in india,,

Trust me bollywood movies were never banned , we are the biggest market that india relies on , go and google it


:salut: Pakistan!!... my uncle's neighbors in pakistan are shia and they've been together for more than 23 years now... meh :hand:. People should pull their heads out of CNN's ass and think intellectually.

[PakPlaya69]

lol dont bother reasoning with him.

you wanna see pakistani violence?

baluchistan ftL.

Take his advice and don argue with me , i am two levels above ya hun ,

You wana see voilence in India, take a look at te following:
Kashmir
Asam
the area near the tibet border
Punjab in 80's

and you wana do more mess in baluchistan , make sure you don travel in trains in mumbai cuase then some thing happens and 200 people die just like that ... :p

[ewwwww]

Screw u all....India rocks! :p

[KingDiamond]

Take his advice and don argue with me , i am two levels above ya hun ,

You wana see voilence in India, take a look at te following:
Kashmir
Asam
the area near the tibet border
Punjab in 80's

and you wana do more mess in baluchistan , make sure you don travel in trains in mumbai cuase then some thing happens and 200 people die just like that ... :p

...Laughing at killing innocent people..wow...:no:

[ewwwww]

Take his advice and don argue with me , i am two levels above ya hun ,

You wana see voilence in India, take a look at te following:
Kashmir
Asam
the area near the tibet border
Punjab in 80's

and you wana do more mess in baluchistan , make sure you don travel in trains in mumbai cuase then some thing happens and 200 people die just like that ... :p

Pakistan also has almost non-existant womans rights. Just recently they changed their law for rape, earlier a woman had to have witnesses to testify else she would be punished for adultry.

Hmmm....maybe this is the reason paki men come to the middle east & gawk at women there.

[PakPlaya69]

Pakistan also has almost non-existant womans rights. Just recently they changed their law for rape, earlier a woman had to have witnesses to testify else she would be punished for adultry.

Hmmm....maybe this is the reason paki men come to the middle east & gawk at women there.


Really ,, we didn need to change our laws cause the ratio of rape in pakistan is almost zero there are cases here and there but nothing as massive as India, Have we all forgotten how many Pholan Devis cases happen in indian at regular basis??????



Massive population of legal prostiutes and the number of rapes in indian keeps on increasing ??? would like to explain why????

There is more indian overseas than pakis and perving is somthing indians are famous at, besides if you like to flaunt it then don complain why they look :p

[gorjuzkuri]

in the midst of this whole argument...that i would o so love to part in...(however, for which i sadly do not have the stamina or the ability to sacrifice my sleep for)...i would like to get the point across...that i love srilanka and singapore! YAY...ok good.

[poojasxy]

the odd thing is both countries were one at one time & then now this.

:no:

[PakPlaya69]

the odd thing is both countries were one at one time & then now this.

:no:


Yeah , thats how it is hun ,, so how "la" land going , you are from signpore arnt ya???

[hussa16]

Lets say India and Pakistan get into a war in the current time frame.
No doubt that India has the advantage in weapons, numbers, and technology.
But thats why Pakistan has nuclear deterence at the center of its defense policy. Basically all of India and Pakistan would be destroyed within a couple of hours.

So the question remains. Do you Bhindians really want to be annihilated?

[beram_khan]

How fuckin stupid are you people? How hard is it to first off find the Pakistan page and look at the GDP per capita like how I did?

http://www.aneki.com/Pakistan.html

And it's old...it says our GDP per capita is $2,200...the 2006 stats say it's at $2,800.

GDP at PPP $439.7 billion[5] (2006)
GDP real growth rate (at PPP) 6.9% [6] (2006 est.)
GDP growth rate 6.6% (2006 est.)[7]
GDP per capita $2,829.5 (2006)[1]
GDP by sector agriculture: 21.6% industry: 25.1% services: 53.3% (2006 est.)[7]


paan di cuss maru may tum logo ki.... :p


why even bother arguing...what the fuck is aneki.com anyways? looks like it was made by some kid... :rolleyes:


pakistan > india..... :dance3:

[*BabyGirl*]

Pakistan ...India same thing. :weirdfac:

[beram_khan]

^ uhh no :neutral:

[lemmesee]

Pakistan also has almost non-existant womans rights. Just recently they changed their law for rape, earlier a woman had to have witnesses to testify else she would be punished for adultry.

Hmmm....maybe this is the reason paki men come to the middle east & gawk at women there.


no womans rights in pakistan?..u kno there has been a woman paki prime minister..bainzir bhutto (1998-1990 and again from 1993-1996) `http://usuarios.lycos.es/alpheratz/bhutto_b.jpg

and im sure ppl pack there bags and head to the middle east to gawk at women when the majority are in nikab there.. :rolleyes:

[BENGALI4EVA1]

sharup.

[flyest_786]

Rank Country GDP - per capita
1 Japan $ 28,200
2 Singapore $ 23,700
3 Brunei $ 18,600
4 Korea, South $ 17,800
5 Palau $ 9,000
6 Malaysia $ 9,000
7 Thailand $ 7,400
8 Turkey $ 6,700
9 Kazakhstan $ 6,300
10 Turkmenistan $ 5,800
11 China $ 5,000
12 Philippines $ 4,600
13 Maldives $ 3,900
14 Sri Lanka $ 3,700
15 Armenia $ 3,500
16 Azerbaijan $ 3,400
17 Indonesia $ 3,200
18 India $ 2,900
19 Vietnam $ 2,500
20 Papua New Guinea $ 2,200

whoo hooo top 5 :dance3:

[*BabyGirl*]

^ uhh no :neutral:

uhh yea. ask a white guy whats the difference. n.o.n.e. :neutral: -brown faced, curry smelling fobs. :rolleyes:

[desi_playa]

Fair enough Pakistan ain in top 20 but more than half of these countries ain even able to defend themselves , where as pakis are self sufficient when it comes to the defence of their motherland , all our money goes to buy the weapons to defend ourseleves from our next door neighbour ,, we would rather have a country that is able to stand on its feet than to lick somone elses balls to defend our land :mad:


why is pervez musharaf always on bushes dick??

[Irreligious Left]

Lets say India and Pakistan get into a war in the current time frame.
No doubt that India has the advantage in weapons, numbers, and technology.
But thats why Pakistan has nuclear deterence at the center of its defense policy. Basically all of India and Pakistan would be destroyed within a couple of hours.

So the question remains. Do you Bhindians really want to be annihilated?

Why do ask that question of India only since Pakistan would be annihilated, too? (It would probably be annihilated first since it has a much smaller land mass with which to sustain a nuclear attack.)

And it a policy of mutal deterrence and mutually assured destuction, not only Pakistan's policy.

[desi_playa]

yes. its sad that 3rd world nations are having conflict with each other.

wish u all can be in singapore lah. :)


hey since i m legal now and i didnt get to invite strippers on my 18th birthday will u be kind enough to take thier place instead??


:kekeke:

[Space-Cowboy]

edit:

screw it





:drama:

[desailly]

why is pervez musharaf always on bushes dick??

By always looking towards the Middle-East, Pakistan has become a terrorist state itself.

If it follows India's example, it's like doing a u-turn.

Hence only thing to do is to suck Bush's dick, as you put it, in return for economic favours.

[paulie walnuts]

Lets say India and Pakistan get into a war in the current time frame.
No doubt that India has the advantage in weapons, numbers, and technology.
But thats why Pakistan has nuclear deterence at the center of its defense policy. Basically all of India and Pakistan would be destroyed within a couple of hours.

So the question remains. Do you Bhindians really want to be annihilated?who are you kidding?

pakistan would tolerate very high levels of conventional military rape before resorting to national suicide by way of nuclear war.

[Guddia]

why is pervez musharaf always on bushes dick??

the only reason Pakistan has not been attacked by US is do to president Musharaf...

he's the best president we have had in a long time...

[dandiwal_jatt]

all that matters to me is that the Nation of Kazakhstan finished in the top 10 :salut: :D

[Space-Cowboy]

2006 performance is still a bit too speculative...

but here are the 2005 stats:

India GNI [atlas method] percap: 720.0

http://devdata.worldbank.org/external/CPProfile.asp?PTYPE=CP&CCODE=IND

Pakistan GNI [atlas method] percap: 690.0

http://devdata.worldbank.org/external/CPProfile.asp?PTYPE=CP&CCODE=PAK

[dandiwal_jatt]

no womans rights in pakistan?..u kno there has been a woman paki prime minister..bainzir bhutto (1998-1990 and again from 1993-1996) `http://usuarios.lycos.es/alpheratz/bhutto_b.jpg

and im sure ppl pack there bags and head to the middle east to gawk at women when the majority are in nikab there.. :rolleyes:
haha bhutto is doing an interview in india today on aajtak i think

[desi_playa]

the only reason Pakistan has not been attacked by US is do to president Musharaf...

he's the best president(prime minister) we have had in a long time...

lol pervez is not a president he is a dictator.

he is not even close to being the best and why would bush attack pakistan in the first place?? (keep nuclear weapons in mind)

bhutto was the best prime minister pakistan ever had thats why the CIA had him hung for some made up bull shit. he was getting all the major leaders together and it was going to make these muslim countries strong and economically well off and america saw them emerging and was a big threat to them.

[desi_playa]

By always looking towards the Middle-East, Pakistan has become a terrorist state itself.

If it follows India's example, it's like doing a u-turn.

Hence only thing to do is to suck Bush's dick, as you put it, in return for economic favours.


economic favors??

no wonder inflation in pakistan is worse than ever, no wonder since pervez musharaf took over the gap between the rich and poor and increased dramatically in pakistan. :rolleyes:

[Irreligious Left]

economic favors??

no wonder inflation in pakistan is worse than ever, no wonder since pervez musharaf took over the gap between the rich and poor and increased dramatically in pakistan. :rolleyes:

I thought everyone knew about the economic favors. Immediately after 9-11, the U.S. said to Pakistan, "help us with the war on terror, or we will bomb the hell out of you." The carrot was billions of dollars in aid.

Pakistan quickly obliged.

[KingDiamond]

I thought everyone knew about the economic favors. Immediately after 9-11, the U.S. said to Pakistan, "help us with the war on terror, or we will bomb the hell out of you." The carrot was billions of dollars in aid.

Pakistan quickly obliged.

It's kind of hard to say no to America, when your country directly funded the Taliban(in a different way the US did.. the US was more accidental)..:rofl:

[jat_jatt_sardar]

You know that Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and Christianity started in Pakistan? Right? :shock:

:idea: No they didn't but sikhism started in the area now known as Pakistan

[desi_playa]

I thought everyone knew about the economic favors. Immediately after 9-11, the U.S. said to Pakistan, "help us with the war on terror, or we will bomb the hell out of you." The carrot was billions of dollars in aid.

Pakistan quickly obliged.

it wasnt really that straight forward and musharaf is a joke everything he does is illegal. he came into power illegaly and he is not legally allowed to write a book untill he retires. and why the fuck is he talkin abt his love life in there?? :ugh:

how is pakistan suppose to get anywhere without a system?? musharaf went against the system and completely ruined it. the only good thing he ever did was get rid of nawaz shareef.

[Guddia]

lol pervez is not a president he is a dictator.
he is not even close to being the best and why would bush attack pakistan in the first place?? (keep nuclear weapons in mind)

bhutto was the best prime minister pakistan ever had thats why the CIA had him hung for some made up bull shit. he was getting all the major leaders together and it was going to make these muslim countries strong and economically well off and america saw them emerging and was a big threat to them.


lol

America doesn't need a valid reason to attack but wait remember bin ladin (sp) is some where in pakistan there is you're reason.

Bhutto was the worse and I mean the worse person for Pakistan as a whole. He never did anything good for Pakistan, he got what he deserved...

[desi_playa]

lol

America doesn't need a valid reason to attack but wait remember bin ladin (sp) is some where in pakistan there is you're reason.

Bhutto was the worse and I mean the worse person for Pakistan as a whole. He never did anything good for Pakistan, he got what he deserved...


you have no clue wht went down and wht bhutto did. :no:

i dont wanna go into too much details but i will share some stuff that i know.

did u know that bhutto was giving the poor more rights and was shortening the gap between the wealthy and the poor and all the rich people didnt like it that there servants were starting to speak abt thier human rights and thats one of the reasons he was hung. if u knew anything abt wht went down u would know that western leaders were afraid of him they were scared abt how intelligent this guy was.

[KingDiamond]

it wasnt really that straight forward and musharaf is a joke everything he does is illegal. he came into power illegaly and he is not legally allowed to write a book untill he retires. and why the fuck is he talkin abt his love life in there?? :ugh:

how is pakistan suppose to get anywhere without a system?? musharaf went against the system and completely ruined it. the only good thing he ever did was get rid of nawaz shareef.

You dont need democracy to have a growing country. In fact, I would say democracy is a problem for most if not all developing countries. India could use a good dictator...

[desi_playa]

You dont need democracy to have a growing country. In fact, I would say democracy is a problem for most if not all developing countries. India could use a good dictator...

:ugh: how many dictators in the past have done any good??

too much power will even turn ghandi into darth vader.

[Space-Cowboy]

:ugh: how many dictators in the past have done any good??

too much power will even turn ghandi into dark vader.

*Darth

[desi_playa]

*Darth

lol my bad FOB mistake i never watched any of those shows.

[KingDiamond]

:ugh: how many dictators in the past have done any good??

too much power will even turn ghandi into dark vader.

China is more of an oligarchy, but I still consider that a dictatorship, and look how it's doing. It depends on the dictatorship is implemented. In India it would be very tricky, due to all the different ethnic groups.

Even Saddam Hussein's Iraq had a better living standard than the surrounding nations.

lol, democracy.

[desi_playa]

China is more of an oligarchy, but I still consider that a dictatorship, and look how it's doing. It depends on the dictatorship is implemented. In India it would be very tricky, due to all the different ethnic groups.

Even Saddam Hussein's Iraq had a better living standard than the surrounding nations.

lol, democracy.

ok and u dont take the billions of people who suddam killed because they spoke up against him a problem??

[Irreligious Left]

China is more of an oligarchy, but I still consider that a dictatorship, and look how it's doing. It depends on the dictatorship is implemented. In India it would be very tricky, due to all the different ethnic groups.

Even Saddam Hussein's Iraq had a better living standard than the surrounding nations.

lol, democracy.

25-30 million Chinese died during the Great Leap Forward, and China routinely jails and executes political dissidents. If you want India to follow that model so that it can have some shiny new skyscrapers in major cities, then so be it.

[Felonius Monk]

ok and u dont take the billions of people who suddam killed because they spoke up against him a problem??
billions?

[urbannomad23]

pakistan needs to get its act together.

[Felonius Monk]

You dont need democracy to have a growing country. In fact, I would say democracy is a problem for most if not all developing countries. India could use a good dictator...
Has any dictator come to power by proclaiming himself a bad dictator?

[bad_cheque]

You dont need democracy to have a growing country. In fact, I would say democracy is a problem for most if not all developing countries. India could use a good dictator...
Agreed that democracy is overrated and it is promoted only as an excuse for spreading neo-imperialism but it is much better than having the elite hog the resources and power. It does no good for the majority of people.

I would say India was one of those rare democracies from the period of 1988 to 2000. I mean completely democratic or much more democratic than most countries in the world. Most democracies are nothing but shams.

[KingDiamond]

Has any dictator come to power by proclaiming himself a bad dictator?


I didnt mean them claiming themselves to be good, I meant them actually being good for the country. Yes, that's a whole another arena of debate, one Im not going to get involved.

but thanks for trying to be a smart ass ;)

[KingDiamond]

25-30 million Chinese died during the Great Leap Forward, and China routinely jails and executes political dissidents. If you want India to follow that model so that it can have some shiny new skyscrapers in major cities, then so be it.

Why would you use such a fallacy.. just because China was a dictatorship and had the failure known as the GLF, India too would have the failure known as the GLF should it become a dictatorship. Bad logic my friend.

Yes, I am all for executing political dissidents for some economic development in developing countries, especially India anyways.

Bad Cheque:

Indeed, democracy has been a tool for western countries to control the third world. Look at what happened by the way to democracies that arent considered favorable to America...Palestine? Hamas? Lebanon? some south american countries im sure....

India does have an alright system set up.. but it is too slow probably..

[bad_cheque]

Why would you use such a fallacy.. just because China was a dictatorship and had the failure known as the GLF, India too would have the failure known as the GLF should it become a dictatorship. Bad logic my friend.

Yes, I am all for executing political dissidents for some economic development in developing countries, especially India anyways.

Bad Cheque:

Indeed, democracy has been a tool for western countries to control the third world. Look at what happened by the way to democracies that arent considered favorable to America...Palestine? Hamas? Lebanon? some south american countries im sure....

India does have an alright system set up.. but it is too slow probably..
I don't think anybody deserves to be executed for "economic development."

[Felonius Monk]

I didnt mean them claiming themselves to be good, I meant them actually being good for the country. Yes, that's a whole another arena of debate, one Im not going to get involved.

but thanks for trying to be a smart ass ;)
My point was even Hitler, in addition to claiming to be good, was believed to be good. He wouldnt have come to power without a certain degree of support from the people.

And that is ignoring the fact that history suggests even with benign rulers, absolute powers leads to greater injustice that an accountable power does. And even if you dont agree with that, history is unequivocal on the fact that a good dictators are not succeeded by other good dictators for long, and the nature of dictatorship makes the people powerless to do anything about it.

[Irreligious Left]

Why would you use such a fallacy.. just because China was a dictatorship and had the failure known as the GLF, India too would have the failure known as the GLF should it become a dictatorship. Bad logic my friend.

Yes, I am all for executing political dissidents for some economic development in developing countries, especially India anyways.


You seem to have a high tolerance for totalitarianism, so the cost of human life, no matter how great, is merely incidental to the goal of economic progress.

[bad_cheque]

My point was even Hitler, in addition to claiming to be good, was believed to be good. He wouldnt have come to power without a certain degree of support from the people.

And that is ignoring the fact that history suggests even with benign rulers, absolute powers leads to greater injustice that an accountable power does. And even if you dont agree with that, history is unequivocal on the fact that a good dictators are not succeeded by other good dictators for long, and the nature of dictatorship makes the people powerless to do anything about it.
Democracy is very young. A "dictatorial" system has worked throughout history. "Dictatorships" have history behind them.

[Felonius Monk]

Democracy is very young. A "dictatorial" system has worked throughout history. "Dictatorships" have history behind them.
Whats your point?

[Space-Cowboy]

Democracy is very young. A "dictatorial" system has worked throughout history. "Dictatorships" have history behind them.


Not really...

The democratic process has been around for quite a while, in some form or other, and is believed to have come about shorty after the 'tribal chieftain' [dictatorial] system...

[bad_cheque]

Whats your point?
Dictatorships have been par for course throughout history and we are still here.

It is perhaps be more efficient and powerful system too.

[KingDiamond]

I don't think anybody deserves to be executed for "economic development."

Im talking about people who cause violent rebellions or conspire to, these things destabilize a country, depriving it of investors.

[KingDiamond]

My point was even Hitler, in addition to claiming to be good, was believed to be good. He wouldnt have come to power without a certain degree of support from the people.

And that is ignoring the fact that history suggests even with benign rulers, absolute powers leads to greater injustice that an accountable power does. And even if you dont agree with that, history is unequivocal on the fact that a good dictators are not succeeded by other good dictators for long, and the nature of dictatorship makes the people powerless to do anything about it.

Hitler DID do well for the country actually. Economy was doing well again, and people felt proud once again of their fatherland.

[KingDiamond]

Not really...

The democratic process has been around for quite a while, in some form or other, and is believed to have come about shorty after the 'tribal chieftain' [dictatorial] system...

The 'democracy' in places like Rome was more of an oligarchy. Same with America for a long time really.

Hell, look at the 'democratic' system in America. It works so well(meaning the country hasnt erupted in a civil war or such) precisely because of the undemocratic elements embedded in the political system!

[KingDiamond]

You seem to have a high tolerance for totalitarianism, so the cost of human life, no matter how great, is merely incidental to the goal of economic progress.

I think that's an over exaggeration of my beliefs. Thanks for playing though...

[Irreligious Left]

I think that's an over exaggeration of my beliefs. Thanks for playing though...

You say it's an "overexaggeration" but not an inaccuracy or misstatement. So what's the critical mass of people who can be made obsolete for the sake of development and progress before it gets really bad?

10? 1,000,000? Something in between?

Is it just a numbers game?

[bad_cheque]

Im talking about people who cause violent rebellions or conspire to, these things destabilize a country, depriving it of investors.
Investors are not special people who should be protected more. That is a capitalistic way of thinking.

There are other values as much or more important than capital.

If there is a rebellion, there must be political reasons and concerns.

[Irreligious Left]

The 'democracy' in places like Rome was more of an oligarchy. Same with America for a long time really.

Hell, look at the 'democratic' system in America. It works so well(meaning the country hasnt erupted in a civil war or such) precisely because of the undemocratic elements embedded in the political system!

Like what?

And there was a civil war.

[KingDiamond]

You say it's an "overexaggeration" but not an inaccuracy or misstatement. So what's the critical mass of people who can be made obsolete for the sake of development and progress before it gets really bad?

10? 1,000,000? Something in between?

Is it just a numbers game?

It really depends on how many people continue to harm the interests of the country. Sometimes you must demonstrate an example before people understand your point, much like a physics teacher may demonstrate a process to help teach a particular theory :)

[KingDiamond]

Investors are not special people who should be protected more. That is a capitalistic way of thinking.

There are other values as much or more important than capital.

If there is a rebellion, there must be political reasons and concerns.

That was just one example! I did not want to cover every single issue... but you are right...they should be discussed first, before any reprisals are planned.

[KingDiamond]

Like what?

And there was a civil war.

I had no idea there was a civil war.. Im talking about a more recent one...

The electoral college is one of the most undemocratic things in this country. It sets up an undemocratic system for the presidency and houses of congress come election time.

Gerrymandering is quite undemocratic. Rigging districts for certain outcomes.

The two party system.

Strong lobbying groups, which influence through wealth.