Islam in Srimad Bhagavatam

[OzE Hindu]

SB 12.1.37: The land along the Sindhu River, as well as the districts of Candrabhāgā, Kauntī and Kāśmīra, will be ruled by śūdras, fallen brāhmaṇas and meat-eaters. Having given up the path of Vedic civilization, they will have lost all spiritual strength.

SB 12.1.38: There will be many such uncivilized kings ruling at the same time, O King Parīkṣit, and they will all be uncharitable, possessed of fierce tempers, and great devotees of irreligion and falsity.

SB 12.1.39-40: These barbarians in the guise of kings will devour the citizenry, murdering innocent women, children, cows and brāhmaṇas and coveting the wives and property of other men. They will be erratic in their moods, have little strength of character and be very short-lived. Indeed, not purified by any Vedic rituals and lacking in the practice of regulative principles, they will be completely covered by the modes of passion and ignorance.

SB 12.1.41: The citizens governed by these low-class kings will imitate the character, behavior and speech of their rulers. Harassed by their leaders and by each other, they will all suffer ruination.

I saw this while reading. I felt it was specifically applicable to Islam within India.

http://srimadbhagavatam.com/12/1/en

[OzE Hindu]

SB 12.1.41: The citizens governed by these low-class kings will imitate the character, behavior and speech of their rulers. Harassed by their leaders and by each other, they will all suffer ruination.

^i.e. South Asia's converted muslim population.

[hollisterdesi]

Very interesting...

When was this to happen in terms of yuga? Kali yuga?

[OzE Hindu]

Very interesting...

When was this to happen in terms of yuga? Kali yuga?

I'm not exactly sure. I don't know why dates weren't included in this. Either it has already happened or will happen soon. It's interesting to note the mention of "Sindhu".

[hollisterdesi]

Yep, because Sindhu is Pakistan, and that was also the first Hindu stronghold that fell to the barbarian Mughals.

[OzE Hindu]

Yep, because Sindhu is Pakistan, and that was also the first Hindu stronghold that fell to the barbarian Mughals.

True. See, Mohammedanism wouldn't be a problem in South Asia if muslims were prepared to be peaceful. But the conflicts they brought from so long ago are still creating strife. It's best to just end it once and for all. Odd how partition didn't solve anything either. :?

[hollisterdesi]

There is one problem thats the root of all of this....you and I both know.....and its Kashmir

Pakistan is so mad they don't have Bangladesh, Hyderabad, and Junagadh that they want revenge on India by taking Kashmir.

[OzE Hindu]

There is one problem thats the root of all of this....you and I both know.....and its Kashmir

Pakistan is so mad they don't have Bangladesh, Hyderabad, and Junagadh that they want revenge on India by taking Kashmir.

Nah, its the fact that we are kafirs. kafir pride yo! 8)

[himynamesmo]

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[sdmanchurian]

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ew...that looks gross :puker: :pukel:

[Bezgere]

Yep, because Sindhu is Pakistan, and that was also the first Hindu stronghold that fell to the barbarian Mughals.

Exactly who was your history teacher =\ ?

The Mughal empire was one of the most advanced cultures in recorded history... maybe your confuseing "Mughal" with "Mongol" ?? if not... well then... your a retard...

[OzE Hindu]

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yum!!

Gareeb fuckwit can't afford food. :lol:

[hollisterdesi]

Yep, because Sindhu is Pakistan, and that was also the first Hindu stronghold that fell to the barbarian Mughals.

Exactly who was your history teacher =\ ?

The Mughal empire was one of the most advanced cultures in recorded history... maybe your confuseing "Mughal" with "Mongol" ?? if not... well then... your a retard...

I'm sorry, I didn't mean first...I meant one of the first.

And I've taken many social science classes, hence, I have many social science teachers...or had I should say...

The Mughal empire was not "advanced" in any way, they just took the good from the communities they conquered and attributed the "success" to themselves...and no not Mongol, the Mongols also forged their way into Indian land during Genghis Khan's time but that was before Islam.

[OzE Hindu]

Yep, because Sindhu is Pakistan, and that was also the first Hindu stronghold that fell to the barbarian Mughals.

Exactly who was your history teacher =\ ?

The Mughal empire was one of the most advanced cultures in recorded history... maybe your confuseing "Mughal" with "Mongol" ?? if not... well then... your a retard...

I'm sorry, I didn't mean first...I meant one of the first.

And I've taken many social science classes, hence, I have many social science teachers...or had I should say...

The Mughal empire was not "advanced" in any way, they just took the good from the communities they conquered and attributed the "success" to themselves...and no not Mongol, the Mongols also forged their way into Indian land during Genghis Khan's time but that was before Islam.

word, u know ur stuff homey! 8)

[reaz]

yum!!

what was the point of this?

dont distract the posters if you dont have anything worthwhile to say. yes you may think that this thread is retarded and what not. so just ignore and move on.

[OzE Hindu]

yum!!

what was the point of this?

dont distract the posters if you dont have anything worthwhile to say. yes you may think that this thread is retarded and what not. so just ignore and move on.

word.

[Bezgere]

Yep, because Sindhu is Pakistan, and that was also the first Hindu stronghold that fell to the barbarian Mughals.

Exactly who was your history teacher =\ ?

The Mughal empire was one of the most advanced cultures in recorded history... maybe your confuseing "Mughal" with "Mongol" ?? if not... well then... your a retard...

I'm sorry, I didn't mean first...I meant one of the first.

And I've taken many social science classes, hence, I have many social science teachers...or had I should say...

The Mughal empire was not "advanced" in any way, they just took the good from the communities they conquered and attributed the "success" to themselves...and no not Mongol, the Mongols also forged their way into Indian land during Genghis Khan's time but that was before Islam.

Barbarian
1. A man in a rule, savage, or uncivilized state.

2. A person destitute of culture.

The Mughal civilization falls into neither one of these catagories....

[hollisterdesi]

The Mughals DO fit ur first definition. How you may ask? Well one method they used to exterminate Hindus and Sikhs who refused to convert was to put them in big pots of boiling oil and watch them burn to death...this is what they did with one of the 10 Sikh gurus. I've read in many places that they would also cut off the limbs of people who refused to convert and watch them bleed to death. These are barbaric acts in my opinion.

And btw, here are some other definitions of "barbarian", if you don't agree with them, refer to dictionary.com, the site which derives its definitions from the offial Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Barbarian:
-A fierce, brutal, or cruel person.
-An insensitive, uncultured person; a boor. See Synonyms at boor.

[himynamesmo]

yum!!

what was the point of this?

dont distract the posters if you dont have anything worthwhile to say. yes you may think that this thread is retarded and what not. so just ignore and move on.

if u talk negativly about my religion then i will make fun and ridicule urs.

[OzE Hindu]

http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/images/portraits/btaru.jpg

http://www.info-sikh.com/pic29.jpg

^ muslim savagery! :shock:

[himynamesmo]

NEW DELHI,JUNE 22: A 9-year-old girl was married to a stray dog in a ceremony attended by more than 100 guests in a village in India's eastern state of Bengal as part of a ritual intended to ward off a bad omen, newspapers reported Thursday. The girl, Karnamoni Handsa, had to be married quickly to break an evil spell, according to the beliefs of her Santhal tribe in the remote village of Khanyan, the Hindustan Times said. Karnamoni's tooth had grown on her upper gum, which Santhals consider a bad omen. The girl's father, Baburam Handsa, a poor sharecropper, could not afford the expenses of marrying his daughter to a boy, so he saved money by making a street dog the groom on June 11, the paper reported. Other news media also reported on the ritual, which does not interfere with the girl's life. She suffers no stigma and is free to marry later. She doesn't even need to divorce the dog

interesting^

[adren@line]

NEW DELHI,JUNE 22: A 9-year-old girl was married to a stray dog in a ceremony attended by more than 100 guests in a village in India's eastern state of Bengal as part of a ritual intended to ward off a bad omen, newspapers reported Thursday. The girl, Karnamoni Handsa, had to be married quickly to break an evil spell, according to the beliefs of her Santhal tribe in the remote village of Khanyan, the Hindustan Times said. Karnamoni's tooth had grown on her upper gum, which Santhals consider a bad omen. The girl's father, Baburam Handsa, a poor sharecropper, could not afford the expenses of marrying his daughter to a boy, so he saved money by making a street dog the groom on June 11, the paper reported. Other news media also reported on the ritual, which does not interfere with the girl's life. She suffers no stigma and is free to marry later. She doesn't even need to divorce the dog

interesting^

old news.
This thread isnt about Islam specifically, its about your Mughal masters.

[OzE Hindu]

Mughals were the descendants of Mongols right?

[OzE Hindu]

It's a long read, so I'm just posting the first 2 points...

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.''

I didn't know Muslims were so racist against blacks! :o

Full document available at: http://p081.ezboard.com/fhinduunityislamexposedarchivesonly.showMessage?to picID=218.topic

[himynamesmo]

NEW DELHI,JUNE 22: A 9-year-old girl was married to a stray dog in a ceremony attended by more than 100 guests in a village in India's eastern state of Bengal as part of a ritual intended to ward off a bad omen, newspapers reported Thursday. The girl, Karnamoni Handsa, had to be married quickly to break an evil spell, according to the beliefs of her Santhal tribe in the remote village of Khanyan, the Hindustan Times said. Karnamoni's tooth had grown on her upper gum, which Santhals consider a bad omen. The girl's father, Baburam Handsa, a poor sharecropper, could not afford the expenses of marrying his daughter to a boy, so he saved money by making a street dog the groom on June 11, the paper reported. Other news media also reported on the ritual, which does not interfere with the girl's life. She suffers no stigma and is free to marry later. She doesn't even need to divorce the dog

interesting^

old news.
This thread isnt about Islam specifically, its about your Mughal masters.

be happy, if it wasn't for them ud still be buring ur wives.

they came and brought equality amoung women and men and civilization.

who the fuck burns their wife? wtf?!? u guys are weird.

[OzE Hindu]

Hmmm, so I guess honour killings are OK then? :D

[hollisterdesi]

NEW DELHI,JUNE 22: A 9-year-old girl was married to a stray dog in a ceremony attended by more than 100 guests in a village in India's eastern state of Bengal as part of a ritual intended to ward off a bad omen, newspapers reported Thursday. The girl, Karnamoni Handsa, had to be married quickly to break an evil spell, according to the beliefs of her Santhal tribe in the remote village of Khanyan, the Hindustan Times said. Karnamoni's tooth had grown on her upper gum, which Santhals consider a bad omen. The girl's father, Baburam Handsa, a poor sharecropper, could not afford the expenses of marrying his daughter to a boy, so he saved money by making a street dog the groom on June 11, the paper reported. Other news media also reported on the ritual, which does not interfere with the girl's life. She suffers no stigma and is free to marry later. She doesn't even need to divorce the dog

interesting^

old news.
This thread isnt about Islam specifically, its about your Mughal masters.

be happy, if it wasn't for them ud still be buring ur wives.

they came and brought equality amoung women and men and civilization.

who the fuck burns their wife? wtf?!? u guys are weird.

U mean burning of wives, sati. That isn' a Hindu tradition. That was one tht came into being by the works of ignorant and foolish Hindus. But hey, I guess its better to burn one wife than to blow up buildings and burn hundreds of thousands of husbands and wives right??? This isn't an attack on you, I'm just showing you that I can dish out as much crap as you can, if not more. So if you wanna discuss fine, but don't diss. Thats not cool. And btw, sati didn't stop until the British came. The Mughals actually encouraged it, as more Hindus would die in the process. Equality has always been a fundamental factor of Hinduism, as the Vedic scriptures teach "In the eyes of the lord, a person has no class nor nobility...he is equal among all other devotees"

[hollisterdesi]

Mughals were the descendants of Mongols right?

No, Mongols are Asians that share a common some customs and are very similar to Chinese, given the close proximity of the vast Chinese Empire and Mongolia.

Mughals are Turks and Persians that were converted to Islam by the Arabs a few hundred years before Mahmud of Ghazni invaded Sindhu. Its funny what those Arabs did. They converted the people they defeated (Turks and Persians) and made them into their slaves by making them do all their "dirty work" in India. Torture, mass conversion, mass starving of communities, rape, massacres, murder of prominent Sikh spiritual leaders.

[MaanoBilla]

Mughals were the descendants of Mongols right?

No, Mongols are Asians that share a common some customs and are very similar to Chinese, given the close proximity of the vast Chinese Empire and Mongolia.

Mughals are Turks and Persians that were converted to Islam by the Arabs a few hundred years before Mahmud of Ghazni invaded Sindhu. Its funny what those Arabs did. They converted the people they defeated (Turks and Persians) and made them into their slaves by making them do all their "dirty work" in India. Torture, mass conversion, mass starving of communities, rape, massacres, murder of prominent Sikh spiritual leaders.

Since I like you I'm not going to disrespect you but I would recommend you re-read your history. The founder of the Mughal Empire was Babar who was originally a Mongol.

[drunkenmaster]

be happy, if it wasn't for them ud still be buring ur wives.

they came and brought equality amoung women and men and civilization.

who the fuck burns their wife? wtf?!? u guys are weird.

Sati has no basis in any Hindu scripture, no Hindu scripture prescribes the act of Sati, period.

But if you'd like to go to the origin of it, the act of self-immolation became very common during the first wave of barbaric Islamic invasions. Hindu women prefered death rather than being captured and raped or being used as sex slaves for the rest of their lives.

they came and brought equality amoung women and men and civilization.

lol, yeh nice joke.

Since I like you I'm not going to disrespect you but I would recommend you re-read your history. The founder of the Mughal Empire was Babar who was originally a Mongol.

Baber had a mixed ancestry of Turkic and Mongolian.

[hollisterdesi]

Mughals were the descendants of Mongols right?

No, Mongols are Asians that share a common some customs and are very similar to Chinese, given the close proximity of the vast Chinese Empire and Mongolia.

Mughals are Turks and Persians that were converted to Islam by the Arabs a few hundred years before Mahmud of Ghazni invaded Sindhu. Its funny what those Arabs did. They converted the people they defeated (Turks and Persians) and made them into their slaves by making them do all their "dirty work" in India. Torture, mass conversion, mass starving of communities, rape, massacres, murder of prominent Sikh spiritual leaders.

Since I like you I'm not going to disrespect you but I would recommend you re-read your history. The founder of the Mughal Empire was Babar who was originally a Mongol.

Wow I didn't know that. I mean I knew that the Mughals had SOME Mongol in them but were they purely Mongol?

[adren@line]

NEW DELHI,JUNE 22: A 9-year-old girl was married to a stray dog in a ceremony attended by more than 100 guests in a village in India's eastern state of Bengal as part of a ritual intended to ward off a bad omen, newspapers reported Thursday. The girl, Karnamoni Handsa, had to be married quickly to break an evil spell, according to the beliefs of her Santhal tribe in the remote village of Khanyan, the Hindustan Times said. Karnamoni's tooth had grown on her upper gum, which Santhals consider a bad omen. The girl's father, Baburam Handsa, a poor sharecropper, could not afford the expenses of marrying his daughter to a boy, so he saved money by making a street dog the groom on June 11, the paper reported. Other news media also reported on the ritual, which does not interfere with the girl's life. She suffers no stigma and is free to marry later. She doesn't even need to divorce the dog

interesting^

old news.
This thread isnt about Islam specifically, its about your Mughal masters.

be happy, if it wasn't for them ud still be buring ur wives.

they came and brought equality amoung women and men and civilization.

who the fuck burns their wife? wtf?!? u guys are weird.

Equality my ass. Look at your sh*tty Muslim countries and there record in regards to women's rights.

You my friend, are a Muslim, a member of the most vile, disgusting, backwards, and HATED group in the entire world.

A little humility would help you.

The sati (wife burning) only occured in Rajastan, and I am not Rajistani.

Try again A-rab.

[adren@line]

Mughals were the descendants of Mongols right?

No, Mongols are Asians that share a common some customs and are very similar to Chinese, given the close proximity of the vast Chinese Empire and Mongolia.

Mughals are Turks and Persians that were converted to Islam by the Arabs a few hundred years before Mahmud of Ghazni invaded Sindhu. Its funny what those Arabs did. They converted the people they defeated (Turks and Persians) and made them into their slaves by making them do all their "dirty work" in India. Torture, mass conversion, mass starving of communities, rape, massacres, murder of prominent Sikh spiritual leaders.

Since I like you I'm not going to disrespect you but I would recommend you re-read your history. The founder of the Mughal Empire was Babar who was originally a Mongol.

the Mughals were not racially homogoneous, but consisted of Turks, Arabs, and Persians to name a few...

[OzE Hindu]

I second what Adrenaline has typed. Muslims are very much hated because they are cruel to everyone - including women and children. Honour killings have become routine in many Islamic nations.

[Bezgere]

Im not cruel or hateful towards anyone.. maybe you were just fed all that bs through the media or you're illiterate and ignorant parents... its the only thing i could think of =\ ...

[hollisterdesi]

Well I was taught all that I know through all the social science classes I took. I learned quite a bit about the Turks in my AP European History class. They're the ones responsible for Bosnians, Greeks, Albanians, and other Balkan peoples being Muslim. Though they were a very strong empire essentially, their power declined as people saw how barbaric they were. The fact they owned land in a Christian environment also added to such hate. But anyways yeah, I have the backing to say what I say, because its all based on fact.

[OzE Hindu]

So Islam is responsible for the various conflicts in the Balkans?

[hollisterdesi]

Not necessarilly. The Turks (Seljuk and Ottoman) were the ones who imposed conversion to Islam on the Balkan peoples. THey are Muslim today as a result of that. And the fact that they have been born into brainwashed families sort of leads to conflict with their Christian neighbors, thus the religious wars in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

[Trident]

SB 12.1.37: The land along the Sindhu River, as well as the districts of Candrabhāgā, Kauntī and Kāśmīra, will be ruled by śūdras, fallen brāhmaṇas and meat-eaters. Having given up the path of Vedic civilization, they will have lost all spiritual strength.

Sounds like pakistan to me.

[Space-Cowboy]

Sounds like pakistan to me.

Before Protestantism, Christianity too was thought of as one of the most blood thirsty religions in the world. After the 95 Thesis of Martin Luther, and generally the European Reformation, the Vatican lost QUITE a bit of power, thus, more and more kingdoms began to separate church from state. Thus, Christian fanaticism came to a decline. Kingdoms realized, using their armed forces to 'Convert the Heathens' was an inefficient use of their valuable resources.

So.... **IF** one considers Islam to be in the state at which Christianity was [pre-Protestantism], then several things need to happen.

1) A power Muslim in the world needs to rise up and point out contradictions and fallacies in the Quran [all holy books have contradictions in some shape or form.... it's not PERFECT.... nothing in this world is].

2) There needs to be a Reformation in the Middle East, where people regard the human body as something beautiful, a the greatest work of their 'Allah', and thus something which should be exhibited to the world in their purest form. Something along the lines of Michaelangelo's David.... except I suppose it would be a Muslim artist created a nude bust of the chizeled manly sculpture of Mohammad.

3) Separation of Mosque and State.

[kevvik85]

this so far is the best forum ive ever come across on the internet... woah .... btw, barbar mother was a mongol, and father a mughal's mughals orginate from central asia.... namely samarkand, a stronghold back in acient times, now a devasted n power city , n krygystan i think, well watever it is ... they r mixed blood, turkish, arab, balkan, even aryan, yes the aryan race, which almost all north indians, pakistani's afghanis, iranians r, we r of the same race, the same ppl.... wat the fuck is the problem, seems like religon to me and not race....

[Trident]

Boo Hoo, don't be mad

You sure sound that way, with the 4 separate posts to address one topic.

[adren@line]

LOL, that's a very bold statement Mr. Hindu Kutcher, now how about proving it? How was "hindu" civilization in any way "advanced," before the Muslims arrived, are you serious? It is now 2005 and hindus are still bathing themselves in the waters of the filthy ganges, and worshipping rats, coconuts, orange clad men with afros, and statues of penises amongst other things. There is nothing even remotely "advanced," about hinduism, other than the fact that they possess the uncanny ability to transform Old Mcdonald's farm into one of their greatest shrines.

Peace.

So sad.

You actually believe Arab philosophy is superior to Indian philosophy, and you are Indian.

Anways, I take it youve never heard of the IVC, the Vedas, the Upanishads, etc.

Figures.