Are there any Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims here?

[SIXPAK GQ]

Discuss

[CorpX]

i am

[SIXPAK GQ]

which part of texas? yam

[SIXPAK GQ]

ur like me, crazy about sports...same here....

i grew up in northern cali, so i like their teams....

[CorpX]

actually i lied :?

i'm in east tx btw

[MuAz]

Are there any Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims here?

^explain, i dont get it :oops:

[SIXPAK GQ]

if you don't know what I am talking about then ur not one....

[CorpX]

Are there any Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims here?

^explain, i dont get it :oops:


i'm not a Shia Imami Ismaili Muslim

[AnGeL2LuV786]

i am.. i'm from san antonio

[Parissa Jan]

I'm muslim and I wasn't even aware that there WAS a classification such as the one u wrote. I know u said if u don't know what it is, then u aren't one but as a muslim, I'm curious..what is it? How are ur beliefs different from any other shia muslim?

[SIXPAK GQ]

i beleive there are around 80 sects in Islam.

Our beliefs are the same but our prayers are recited differently in a private hall aside from the Mosq. We say Du'a instead of the Namaz

[MrSaif]

i beleive there are around 80 sects in Islam.

Our beliefs are the same but our prayers are recited differently in a private hall aside from the Mosq. We say Du'a instead of the Namaz

where the hell did you get 80 from?

[hollisterdesi]

I saw a site b4 with a breakdown of Islam and its sects...not 80, but I know theres A LOT....Ismailis are a group of the Aga Khan tradition that branched off of Shi'ite Islam. They incorporate some beliefs of Hinduism into their system as well as Islam. They have high reverance for their spiritual master Aga Khan, and that title of Aga Khan also follows a family succession. A lot of Ismailis don't like Khojas, Khojas are Ismailis who admit and are I guess "proud" of their Hindu ancestry, whereareas other Muslims and other Ismailis shun their Hindu ancestry. Most Muslims don't like Ismailis or even consider them Muslim, but that's an internal matter. I read somewhere that Pakistan even makes its citizens declare the Ismaili religion false, but I'm not sure. Some Ismailis still claim to be Shi'ites whereareas others don't. It's a highly divided sect and religion with internal controversies. Many Ismailies are found mostly in India and Iran, some in Iraq and Pakistan as well; not Saudi Arabia b/c the Saudis would immediately eliminate them. Saudi Arabia is almost exclusively a pure Sunni Muslim nation from what I've heard.

[itsallaboutme]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: I AM ONE :shock: :shock: :shock:


im surprised...no one knows who we are!

what do u want me to explain..ask and ill tell to the best of my ability!

[itsallaboutme]

i guess u dont wanna know anymore..! :(

[itsallaboutme]

I saw a site b4 with a breakdown of Islam and its sects...not 80, but I know theres A LOT....Ismailis are a group of the Aga Khan tradition that branched off of Shi'ite Islam. They incorporate some beliefs of Hinduism into their system as well as Islam. They have high reverance for their spiritual master Aga Khan, and that title of Aga Khan also follows a family succession. A lot of Ismailis don't like Khojas, Khojas are Ismailis who admit and are I guess "proud" of their Hindu ancestry, whereareas other Muslims and other Ismailis shun their Hindu ancestry. Most Muslims don't like Ismailis or even consider them Muslim, but that's an internal matter. I read somewhere that Pakistan even makes its citizens declare the Ismaili religion false, but I'm not sure. Some Ismailis still claim to be Shi'ites whereareas others don't. It's a highly divided sect and religion with internal controversies. Many Ismailies are found mostly in India and Iran, some in Iraq and Pakistan as well; not Saudi Arabia b/c the Saudis would immediately eliminate them. Saudi Arabia is almost exclusively a pure Sunni Muslim nation from what I've heard.


WoW am i glad i read that...offense , and offense, and did i say offense..that is all not purely the truth!! we are MUSLIM, and we are SHIA..and we do like KHOJAS...and hinduism..i graduated with religious education 12 yrs of it..never once was i told we follow some sorta hinduism in to our Islamic religion.. YES we read the QURAN, and no we are never told that we cant PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY, or FAST during RAMADAN..so our beliefs are a little different... still there is no reason why ppl shud believe we arent MUSLIMS..never ever have i learned or read this about my religion as a ISLAM, and me as a shia imami islmaili muslim.. the only thing that is a 100% correct is the whole AGAKHAN squeal u gave! YES we do believe in AGAKHAN, and the title does follow family succession. PAKISTAN does not make its citizens declare ismaili's a false religion, and um PAKISTAN has tons of ismaili's that reside there.. they actually have 3 jamatkhana's for ismaili's in pakistan..one being the biggest..including AGAKHAN UNIVERSITY funded by AGAKHAN!! so yeh..lets do some more re-search while we're at it

im sorry i dont mean to be rude or harsh..its just a little brutal me reading this about my religion..and i feel as though u shouldve put it in a ? format...just like in the end the few comments u made about not knowing how true those statements were.. a lot of them were false.. :?

[brothafizz]

o hell ya REPRESENT...who else here is?

[SIXPAK GQ]

actually we have over 50 JK's in Pakistan......

[itsallaboutme]

actually we have over 50 JK's in Pakistan......


wow really..i didnt know that ..i only know darkhana, garden, and clifton..having one!

in that matter its cool!! :P

um brothafizz are u ismaili..

sixpack are u?

[MaanoBilla]

I saw a site b4 with a breakdown of Islam and its sects...not 80, but I know theres A LOT....
73 but that's irrelevant.

Ismailis are a group of the Aga Khan tradition that branched off of Shi'ite Islam.
Agreed.

They incorporate some beliefs of Hinduism into their system as well as Islam.
Such as what?

They have high reverance for their spiritual master Aga Khan, and that title of Aga Khan also follows a family succession.
Yes.


A lot of Ismailis don't like Khojas, Khojas are Ismailis who admit and are I guess "proud" of their Hindu ancestry, whereareas other Muslims and other Ismailis shun their Hindu ancestry.
Umm I have heard internal problems amongst Khojas and Mominas (sp?) but I dont know if it's big enough to make it to headline news.

Most Muslims don't like Ismailis or even consider them Muslim, but that's an internal matter.
Internal and varies from person to person.

I read somewhere that Pakistan even makes its citizens declare the Ismaili religion false, but I'm not sure.
No, you're confusing Qadiyanis with Ismailis.

[brothafizz]

actually we have over 50 JK's in Pakistan......


wow really..i didnt know that ..i only know darkhana, garden, and clifton..having one!

in that matter its cool!! :P

um brothafizz are u ismaili..

sixpack are u?

ya i am

[itsallaboutme]

ur awesome manobilla! way to go! :salut: :thumleft: :thumrigh:

[itsallaboutme]

actually we have over 50 JK's in Pakistan......


wow really..i didnt know that ..i only know darkhana, garden, and clifton..having one!

in that matter its cool!! :P

um brothafizz are u ismaili..

sixpack are u?

ya i am

how old are u? are u coming to atl for the sports fest ?

[SIXPAK GQ]

yes thats why i posted this topic, Karachi alone has over 20 JK's......Karimabad, Alyabad, Nizari, Platinum and other small ones.....

[itsallaboutme]

yes thats why i posted this topic, Karachi alone has over 20 JK's......Karimabad, Alyabad, Nizari, Platinum and other small ones.....

wow..nice..im glad to see there is more than just me!! lol

ur names?

and are u coming to atl for the sports fest?

[bill]

Discuss

Sects are forbidden in the quran.

Just FYI

[brothafizz]

nahh im not goin to ATL r u? n wut JK yall go to?

[SIXPAK GQ]

Sunni and Shia are the major sects in islam

[itsallaboutme]

nahh im not goin to ATL r u?


aww why not? it woulda been cool! u didnt tell me how old u are lol!

and urm..i live here in atl..so we're the HOSTS..it shud be pretty nice...atleast i hope.we've had way to many in the last yr..small ones that didnt turn out well..i hope this does! :D

[bill]

Sunni and Shia are the major sects in islam

Yes, I know. However, sects are still forbidden. You are not "sunni", you are not "shia", if you must categorize yourself, you are "muslim".

btw, adren@line is gonna come in here soon, try not to pay attention to him.

[itsallaboutme]

i go to northeast jk in atlanta GA

i wanna see the new khane in Houston..not new anymore.. but i heard its absolutely stunning..

and the one in dubai..i heard is GORGEOUS!

[SIXPAK GQ]

which one in houston? sugarland or katy?

[brothafizz]

i jus turned 17 damn its pretty sad i still havent seen da new one in Htown my whoel family been there like 4 times or so

[itsallaboutme]

which one in houston? sugarland or katy?


i wanna say sugarland..never heard of katy! whats the newest one built!

[SIXPAK GQ]

Katy

[brothafizz]

katys not dat reallly beautiful all architected out one thoguht katys really small smaller den our JK in beaumont

[itsallaboutme]

oh okay..well then thats what i wanna see..

ur close by brothafizz u should go!! geezus! 8)


and im naveen(nay-veen)! nice to meet u guys..

[*zaru*]

um yeah i'm shia but not ismailie :? just shia :!: :?

[mirreyboy39]

check ure msg Zaru

[zimmy24]

this reminds me of this time back in the day this girl in my school asked me if i was ismaili and i said yes n i started smiling like crazy :D n she's like r u sure n i point to my smile n go 'lets see your'
n she says nevermind n walks away.

[Nyssa]

......

[itsallaboutme]

i go to northeast jk in atlanta GA

i wanna see the new khane in Houston..not new anymore.. but i heard its absolutely stunning..

and the one in dubai..i heard is GORGEOUS!

u go to the NE JK?? btw.. i'm not ismaili.. but ma hunny bunch is.. he goes to that JK too.... he was tellin me the jk in houston's prettyyyy

who is he..i may know him... :shock: =)

[MaanoBilla]

ur awesome manobilla! way to go! :salut: :thumleft: :thumrigh:

Eh, all in a day's work :)

[Nyssa]

.....

[MaanoBilla]

The one in Sugarland by Hwy 90 is pretty big and relatively new (maybe a couple of years old). I've never been inside but I've heard it's cool.

[screwmealaddin]

I'm a shia..

[__ruby]

Shias, hanafis, Shafis, Hanbalis, and Malikis are Muslims...we have different interpretations of the Quraan....

You guys, Aga Khanis......have a total disregard for Quranic laws and principles...you call Aga Khan your Maula and the Mazhar (manifestation) of Allah on Earth...and you put his words above what it says in the Quran...

so by that def. you are not Muslims, sorry to break to you hun

[itsallaboutme]

i go to northeast jk in atlanta GA

i wanna see the new khane in Houston..not new anymore.. but i heard its absolutely stunning..

and the one in dubai..i heard is GORGEOUS!

u go to the NE JK?? btw.. i'm not ismaili.. but ma hunny bunch is.. he goes to that JK too.... he was tellin me the jk in houston's prettyyyy

who is he..i may know him... :shock: =)

Amin... erm.. he's on here too.... desidreamzz - that's his sn.. he's 17 tho. and i think u're older...

urm i dont know...yes im older..but i know almost all the youth..and i dont know them they know me lol...im very involved..just give me a last name that'll help...so many AMINs!! :shock:

[itsallaboutme]

Shias, hanafis, Shafis, Hanbalis, and Malikis are Muslims...we have different interpretations of the Quraan....

You guys, Aga Khanis......have a total disregard for Quranic laws and principles...you call Aga Khan your Maula and the Mazhar (manifestation) of Allah on Earth...and you put his words above what it says in the Quran...

so by that def. you are not Muslims, sorry to break to you hun


mawla is outta respect to his title of AGAKHAN.. but no we do not consider him GOD, and...we do not have a disregard for the quranic laws... the quran itself..has been edited and re-edited from TIMES AND TIMES AGO..but do we know this as a fact..NO WE DONT..just like u not being ismaili dont know if all of what u said is a FACT..it ur ruthless opinion on someone elses religion..and how u percieve it.. and WE ARE MUSLIMS..

i dont see how u ppl ..could be so low to put down someone ELSES faith, and religion! my ? is HOW WOULD U KNOW?????????? :roll: :?

[__ruby]

and why do you keep your cult in such secrecy!!!!

If you are the true religion, why wouldnt you let people who dont follow your religion actually know what you guys believe..

it's probably because if any Shia/Sunni Muslim actually go in there...they will find out what your B.S. is all about.....

"The Agakhani Ismailis do not recite the obligatory ritual Islamic Prayer (Arabic; Salaah - Persian; Namaz ), five times a day. In lieu thereof, Ismailis recite in their Jamatkhanas a ritual prayer called "Holy Du'a", three times a day. Ismaili Jamatkhanas are closed during the noon hours, even on the Fridays. One does not hear the sound of universally recognized Islamic call to prayer (Adhan), emerging out of a Jamatkhana. The obligatory Islamic ritual of performing an ablution (Wadhu), before reciting a ritual prayer, is not a prerequisite for the Agakhani Ismailis. They consider themselves Momeenins or the Batini (esoteric) Muslims, who are absolved of the rituals of physical cleaning, as well as of physical fasting. The followers of Aga Khan firmly believe, they are a step above the rest of the Ummah (the Brotherhood of Muslims), who are regarded by them as the Shariyatis or the Zaheri (exoteric) Muslims. For a Shariyati Muslim, the physical rituals are of primary significance and of greater consequences than the inner most spiritual ones. Ismailis are advised by their elders to hide their inner practices and secret beliefs. Hence, ISMAILI Muslims are not allowed to enter their prayer halls. Ismailis are also told not to discuss their faith with other fellow Muslims. The reason being; the rest of the Ummah is not yet matured enough or ready to comprehend or digest their philosophy of Marifat (the highest level of spiritual understanding). The leaders are apprehensive that their Batini Ismaili community may be unjustly labeled as "the apostate" after such dialogues by their contenders or by everyday inquisitors, for the lack of their own knowledge and understanding for the inner values of true Islam. "


what the Quran says:
O, ye who believe! Bow down (Ruku) and prostrate (Sujood) yourselves and worship your Lord.... Holy Qur'an 22:77

Woe unto the Rejecters of Truth on that Day! and when it is said unto them: Bow down (Ruku), they bow not down. Qur'an 77:47

[__ruby]

If you ask any other Muslim from the 72 other sects--they'll say the Quran has not been changed or edited...becaus eit is the final message of God and Allah says it will remain the same Quran until Qayamat..so dont even play.

[tom dick harry]

I don't want to get involved in all this right/wrong business. I'm with Bill on this one. BUT Nayveen, the Qur'an hasn't been 'edited'. It is unchanged since it's revelation.

[__ruby]

^ what im saying is that muslims can have different interpretations of things like government or hadith...but when the Quran says something...no Muslim can argue with that....shia's and sunni's all the that....we argue over petty issues....what the difference between us Muslims and Aga khanis are the basic fundamentals of religion

[__ruby]

thye changed namaz.....that's sooooooo wrong in so many ways!

HOLY DU'A OF THE ISMAILIS & IT'S OFFICIAL TRANSLATION

PART I

BISMIL-LAHIR-RAHMANIR-RAHIM.

ALHAMDU LIL-LAHI RAB-BIL-'ALAMIN; AR-
RAHMANIR-RAHIM; MALIKI YAWMID-DIN. IY-YAKA
NA'BUDU WA IY-YAKA NASTA'IN. IHDINAS-
SIRATAL-MUSTAQIM. SIRATAL-LADHINA AN'AMTA
'ALAYHIM. GHAYRIL-MAGHDUBI 'ALAYHIM WA
LAD-DAL-LIN.

SAJADA WAJHI ILAYKA WA TAWAK-KALTU
ALAYKA; MINKA QUW-WATI WA ANTA 'ISMATI
YA RAB-BAL-'ALAMIN.

AL-LAHUM-MA SAL-LI 'ALA MUHAM-MADINIL-
MUSTAFA, WA 'ALA 'ALY-YINIL-MURTADA, WA
ALAL-A-IM-MATIL-ATHAR. WA 'ALA HUJ-JATIL-AMRI
SAHIBIZ-ZAMANI WAL-'ASRI IMAMINAL-HADIRIL-
MAWJUD. MAWLANA SHAH KARIMIL-HUSAYNI.

(In Prostration)
AL-LAHUM-MA LAKA SUJUDI WA TA'ATI.

Translation

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most
Merciful.

All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds,
the most Beneficent, the most Merciful, the Lord of the
Day of Judgment. Thee alone we worship and Thee
alone we seek for help. Guide us to the right path, the
path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favours,
not of those cursed ones and nor of those who have
gone astray. (Sura Al-Fatiha - Sura 1).

I prostrate before Thee and I rely upon Thee; from
thee is my strength and Thou art my protection, O
Lord of the worlds.

O Allah, let Thy peace be on Muhammad - the
Chosen, and on 'Aly - the favourite, and on the Imams -
the pure, and on the evidence of Thy Authority - the
Lord of the age and the time, our present living Imam,
our Lord Shah Karim al-Husayni.

O Allah to Thee is my prostration and obedience.

[itsallaboutme]

If you ask any other Muslim from the 72 other sects--they'll say the Quran has not been changed or edited...becaus eit is the final message of God and Allah says it will remain the same Quran until Qayamat..so dont even play.

once again like i said..do we know this for a fact? no we dont!! i did not state this as a fact..and yes we are prone to believe what u have written above....and all of us..including ismaili's ppl who dont wanna re-search further a fact that is suppose to be known.. the final message of ALLAH!

that doesnt indeed mean that this thought put out on the plate is WRONG of me..

and im not playing... i will come bak with a response to ur previous post..only cuz...THIS IS MORALLY WRONG..

to bash another sect of islam..due to YOUR BELIEFS in what goes on in there personal sect...

and....the secrecy ! u answered ur own ? in ur post..and yes that is the reason WHY!

[JunGLe ChiKEn]

FO SHO MANG!1!1 represent! :shock:

[Nyssa]

.....

[__ruby]

i have no sect...cuz islam doesnt allow sects...theyre not sects theyre interpretations of Sunnah and Quran....but we all believe that the Quran is final and cant be changed....only in my extended family there are about 3 people that have memorized Quraan....let's take that further and say the whole world......there are thousands of Hafizes and Hafizas that have memorized the Quran so changing it would be impossible...cuz people would know the difference...and changing the quran is difficult more further because unlike other religions our holy book was revealed in a language that is still living today with 250 million speakers....not sanskrit, or ancient hebrew....but Arabic....people would know the change...so dont tell me the quran has been changed in any way shape or form

[shrurrr]

If you ask any other Muslim from the 72 other sects--they'll say the Quran has not been changed or edited...becaus eit is the final message of God and Allah says it will remain the same Quran until Qayamat..so dont even play.

once again like i said..do we know this for a fact? no we dont!! i did not state this as a fact..and yes we are prone to believe what u have written above....and all of us..including ismaili's ppl who dont wanna re-search further a fact that is suppose to be known.. the final message of ALLAH!

that doesnt indeed mean that this thought put out on the plate is WRONG of me..

and im not playing... i will come bak with a response to ur previous post..only cuz...THIS IS MORALLY WRONG..

to bash another sect of islam..due to YOUR BELIEFS in what goes on in there personal sect...

and....the secrecy ! u answered ur own ? in ur post..and yes that is the reason WHY!

hey man, aside from what ruby is arguing about ismaili practices, i respect that despite all our differences, we are all still muslim, but one of the basic beliefs of all muslims is that the quran is in its original form from when allah sent it to the prophet through angel gibreel, i'm not saying this about all ismaili's at all, but if you as an individual deny the quran's validity, then i don't know how i feel about the strength of your faith

[__ruby]

you cant argue with Muslims because we are right and we know it.

you guys do not face Makkah when you pray (a group of ismaili girls told me it wasn't important)

what the Quran says:

Whencesoever thou comest forth turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship; and wheresoever ye may be (O Muslims) turn your faces toward it (when ye pray) so that men may have no argument against you, save such of them as do injustice. Fear them not, but fear Me and so that I may complete My grace upon you, and that ye may be guided.
Qur'an 2: 150

[__ruby]

he still hasnt responded to any of my arguments

the Aga Khans daughter Zahra married a Christian...what a spiritual leader you got??

[MaanoBilla]

he still hasnt responded to any of my arguments

the Aga Khans daughter Zahra married a Christian...what a spiritual leader you got??

You really dont like Ismailis, do you :lol:

[__ruby]

If you ask any other Muslim from the 72 other sects--they'll say the Quran has not been changed or edited...becaus eit is the final message of God and Allah says it will remain the same Quran until Qayamat..so dont even play.

once again like i said..do we know this for a fact? no we dont!! i did not state this as a fact..and yes we are prone to believe what u have written above....and all of us..including ismaili's ppl who dont wanna re-search further a fact that is suppose to be known.. the final message of ALLAH!

that doesnt indeed mean that this thought put out on the plate is WRONG of me..

and im not playing... i will come bak with a response to ur previous post..only cuz...THIS IS MORALLY WRONG..

to bash another sect of islam..due to YOUR BELIEFS in what goes on in there personal sect...

and....the secrecy ! u answered ur own ? in ur post..and yes that is the reason WHY!


so you believe youre one step above the Ummah.....you've been brainwashed to believe that...you are one step below the mushriks..

Hindus and Buddhists at least have their own religion...i respect them for developing a system of beliefs and praising the supreme being

but you have taken the words of God, twisted them, changed them, and misled believers astray...shame on you!

[__ruby]

he still hasnt responded to any of my arguments

the Aga Khans daughter Zahra married a Christian...what a spiritual leader you got??

You really dont like Ismailis, do you :lol:

well in high school me and a couple of friends were explaining to our class what muslims believe and stuff until some ismailis told them we were not true muslims.... :x :x :x :x :x so then i started researching their religion and i found out all of this stuff....

[__ruby]

and they would curse at hazrat abu bakr, hazrat usman, and hazrat omar everyday

[shrurrr]

oh thats wrong of them to say that, no wonder you feel so strongly about it lol

[__ruby]

i think i told him off.. i wanna argue

[shrurrr]

oh thats wrong of them to say that, no wonder you feel so strongly about it lol

but i don't think you should let that experience make you think that all ismaili's feel that way about "mainstream" muslims (i don't know how else to word that lol).. i know this ismaili kid and me and him are totally cool, we don't really argue about our takes on islam, we know we have some opposite views, but i still see him as somewhat more on the right path than someone of another religion you know? he might not have it all right- "right" according to my beliefs- but he still believes in allah and the prophet close to how i believe it.. i consider him to be kind of a bit more on the right path then say a christian or a jewish person you know?

[__ruby]

i beleive there are around 80 sects in Islam.

Our beliefs are the same but our prayers are recited differently in a private hall aside from the Mosq. We say Du'a instead of the Namaz

LOL....aside from a mosque

Masjid al Haram is a mosque
Majid Un Nabi is a mosque

If the Prophet Muhammad Sallu Alahi Wasalam went to mosque...why dont you???

[__ruby]

oh thats wrong of them to say that, no wonder you feel so strongly about it lol

but i don't think you should let that experience make you think that all ismaili's feel that way about "mainstream" muslims (i don't know how else to word that lol).. i know this ismaili kid and me and him are totally cool, we don't really argue about our takes on islam, we know we have some opposite views, but i still see him as somewhat more on the right path than someone of another religion you know? he might not have it all right- "right" according to my beliefs- but he still believes in allah and the prophet close to how i believe it.. i consider him to be kind of a bit more on the right path then say a christian or a jewish person you know?

umm i don't get what you're saying.... see Christians and Jews don't have the truth..they try to please God in other ways that are written in the Bible and the Torah..
The Ismailis on the other hand...have the Quran, the truth....but they deny it and follow their own desires to make life easier for them..

In my opinion i think a good christian or jew living outside of the Islamic world with no ability to read the Quran is more on the right path then say an Ismaili, who denies the authenticity of the Quran

[itsallaboutme]

okay....before this gets worst...wait a min!!!!

one- My faith is EXTREMELY STRONG...

and may-b under the pressure of being PISSED OFF..i now realize that what i said is being mis-interpreted..yes the arabic true version of the quran has not been edited,but i was talking about the one im reading which is the english version and we are told that it may have been edited going thru its processes!

just to clear that up for one..im not one to not admit my mistakes..and this is what i orignally meant to say! so MY BAD!


as far as bashing ismaili's goes...i was gonna rack up more arguments, and give in more of my $.02 but now that im calm
ive come to a realization that its ignorant of the person bashing ismaili's to do so..

and for me to DEFEND my FAITH..something I believe in regardless of what ANYONE believes or has to say about it...is just as low and ignorant

so im locking myself from any further discussion...

just all aside.... we are MUSLIMS..and have a strong faith! many of the things u have posted are flawless, and onesided....

i would never bash anyone ELSES faith! its like i said unjust! and just an opinion!

[__ruby]

no babe...i wanna hear what you have to say...cause there isn't anything you can say is there???

Why do you think the Arabs are not Ismaili and its mostly Pakistanis and Indians (GUJUS) , and East Africans who are aga khani...cuz you dont know the true language of the Quraan and you are easily misled..

i know a lot of girls who go to the northeast JK and central JK in decatur.....you guys are brainwashed at JK to believe we Muslims are extremists or fanatics..no its not that way...we dont like seeing our religion being changed..

[__ruby]

you worship Allah without your hair covered and in the presence of men...thats an insult to God.

you say Ya Ali Madad..ask for Ali's help and not Allahs....Hazrat Ali is DEAD..he was a good man when he lived but he cant help or protect anyone....its Allah...
so ASSALAMU ALAYKUM IS THE WAY TO GREET EACH OTHER<<<ARIGHT?

tell all your little ismaili people that..cuz hazrat Ali died and like Sura Fatiha says....

IY-YAKA
NA'BUDU WA IY-YAKA NASTA'IN.

which you can ask any Arab means:

Thee alone we worship and Thee
alone we seek for help.


so y do you ask Hazrat Ali??? for Madad

[itsallaboutme]

i know a lot of girls who go to the northeast JK and central JK in decatur.....you guys are brainwashed at JK to believe we Muslims are extremists or fanatics..no its not that way...we dont like seeing our religion being changed..

WoW..i know i said ill stop..but RUBY ur extreme! brainwashed? and we think mulsims are extremists and fanatics????????? wow i dont which batch of ismail ppl u know! but um..they're definatley not NORMAL!


if i wanted i have a lot to say...but like i said..its not worth a damn thing for me..its not gonna change my mind..and its definatley not gonna help urs!

[__ruby]

you are the reason why i got to ask anyone of my desi friends first
Are you Muslim?
Are you Ismaili?
and then after finding out No.. i wish Allah's Peace and Blessings on them....

before i can to ATL i used to say Assalamu Alaykum to every Muslim....but when i said it to an Ismaili...they would just stay silent...?!!!!!!!!! :x :x

[MaanoBilla]

On a friendly note to the Ismaili friends, I do have some questions of my own but I want it to be a peaceful environment. I have plenty of Ismaili friends and I have found most of them don't like talking about religion. In fact, most Ismailis that I've spoken to hardly know anything about "Islam." I'm not the one to jump to conclusions or generalize but if I have formed that opinion that should tell you how uninformed my friends are. Does that mean all Ismailis are like that? No. I've always been curious and wanted to know more but my friends are not the right candidate for this job... :cry:

[__ruby]

i know a lot of girls who go to the northeast JK and central JK in decatur.....you guys are brainwashed at JK to believe we Muslims are extremists or fanatics..no its not that way...we dont like seeing our religion being changed..

WoW..i know i said ill stop..but RUBY ur extreme! brainwashed? and we think mulsims are extremists and fanatics????????? wow i dont which batch of ismail ppl u know! but um..they're definatley not NORMAL!


if i wanted i have a lot to say...but like i said..its not worth a damn thing for me..its not gonna change my mind..and its definatley not gonna help urs!


youre parents gave you a lot of conditioning on how to remain Ismaili even after hearing verses from Allah that condemn your behavior...

[itsallaboutme]

you are the reason why i got to ask anyone of my desi friends first
Are you Muslim?
Are you Ismaili?
and then after finding out No.. i wish Allah's Peace and Blessings on them....

before i can to ATL i used to say Assalamu Alaykum to every Muslim....but when i said it to an Ismaili...they would just stay silent...?!!!!!!!!! :x :x

well, i dont know how many times this musta happened to you..but ME if this had happened to me....i would've replied..we're not told we CANT say that..or SHOULDNT...i know many that do...and i always REPLY...u gotta understand ur being shallow...and thats all it is...

there is no getting to the bottom...but i definatley KNOW a lot is invalid thats being said...

me? why am i the reason?

[itsallaboutme]

i know a lot of girls who go to the northeast JK and central JK in decatur.....you guys are brainwashed at JK to believe we Muslims are extremists or fanatics..no its not that way...we dont like seeing our religion being changed..

WoW..i know i said ill stop..but RUBY ur extreme! brainwashed? and we think mulsims are extremists and fanatics????????? wow i dont which batch of ismail ppl u know! but um..they're definatley not NORMAL!


if i wanted i have a lot to say...but like i said..its not worth a damn thing for me..its not gonna change my mind..and its definatley not gonna help urs!


youre parents gave you a lot of conditioning on how to remain Ismaili even after hearing verses from Allah that condemn your behavior...


my parents, and conditioning???????? ur absurd!! absolutely absurd..

manobilla- no not all ismaili's are like that...

[__ruby]

why dont you let us go into your JK
why do you have security blocking us to come in
why do you always have pictures of the Aga Khan
why did he let his daughter marry a christian
why do you ask Ali for Madad
why do you celebrate zoastrian (fire worshipper) holidays like Navroz, religiously?
why do you not cover your hair when praying?
why dont you pray 5 times a day
why do you sing ginans in a place of worship
why do you not follow the laws of the quran, banning interest, giving zakat (not dasond), fasting everyday in ramzan

answer my questions...and ill change my view

[__ruby]

Quran 6:39 “We have left nothing out in this book.”

Quran 10:15 “(Prophet) Say: It (the Quran) is not for me to change of my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me, for I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of a fateful day.”

Quran 6:115 “Should I seek a judge other than Allah, when it is He who has revealed the Book...”

Quran 33:40 “Muhammad is the father of no man among you, he is the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets, and Allah has full knowledge of all things.”

Quran 42:11 “Nothing can be compared to Him (Allah).”

Quran 18:110 “(Prophet) Say: I am no more than a human like you, being inspired that your God is one God.”


Quran 6:50 “(Prophet) Say: I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of Allah, nor do I know the future.”


The Aga Khan is not special!!!

[__ruby]

Allah has told all his believers to “Cling one and all to the faith of Allah and let nothing divide you (3:102),” and that “Your community is but one community, and I am your Lord. Therefore serve me (29:95).” These revelations have been reinforced by the Hazar Imam at the Inauguration of the Ismaili “Jamat-Khana” and Center, in Houston on June 23rd 2002, where he said:

“Islam does not deal in dichotomies but in all encompassing unity. Spirit and body are one, man and nature are one. What is more, man is answerable to Allah for what man has created.”



If he firmly believes that we are answerable to Allah, why do his believers prostrate to him after reading “Tasbih” and ask him for forgiveness?

[MaanoBilla]

manobilla- no not all ismaili's are like that...

I know that's why I wanted to ask someone knowledgeable enough. You probably noticed in my post to hollisterdesi that I prefer calm discussions as opposed to angry fingerpointing because that gets us nowhere. Plus I'm the kinda person who likes to give everyone their due credit when they deserve some and also to clear misconceptions when they don't deserve any. Simultaneously I also like to hold people accountable for their actions (including myself)

So once our moods have calmed down I may ask some of you to have a discussion with me to clear some of my misconceptions also, if thats okay...

[__ruby]

not all ismailis are like that...then excuse me i would like to come to the JK in decatur...can you make that possible for me??? last time at Zyka they had security that barred me from entering one of your JK sessions....


another thing:

Quran 7:33 “He has forbidden you to worship what He did not sanction.”


If Ali’s (RA) Imamat is not in the Quran, then Allah did not sanction it. If it is not sanctioned, then it is forbidden, and not to be followed. An essential belief of Islam is that the Quran is a complete set of guidelines for all Muslims to follow, with no additions or subtractions, and it is guarded by Allah. There is no doubting this fact. If one doubts this, then one is not a Muslim.

[itsallaboutme]

manobilla- no not all ismaili's are like that...

I know that's why I wanted to ask someone knowledgeable enough. You probably noticed in my post to hollisterdesi that I prefer calm discussions as opposed to angry fingerpointing because that gets us nowhere. Plus I'm the kinda person who likes to give everyone their due credit when they deserve some and also to clear misconceptions when they don't deserve any. Simultaneously I also like to hold people accountable for their actions (including myself)

So once our moods have calmed down I may ask some of you to have a discussion with me to clear some of my misconceptions also, if thats okay...


plz do ask...id be glad to answer questions for someone who just wants to gain knowledge and not bash!!! thanks for u respect..this is wat i call not ignorant...and when im in a better mood.. :? we can definatley have this conversation...
im sure it'll help both of us learn something new!

[__ruby]

ask her a hard question.. i wanna hear what she has to say or make up something about

[MaanoBilla]

Theek hai I will Insha'Allah but not right now. Abhi me too tired from all the arguing :lol: Plus *someone* got me thinking about my ex now :roll: :P

Let's all chill and celebrate 14th August, shall we? Here's some mithaayi!


http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=gulab+jaman/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/*-http://www.desistore.com/lib/desistore-com/dalda3.jpg

[__ruby]

I saw a site b4 with a breakdown of Islam and its sects...not 80, but I know theres A LOT....Ismailis are a group of the Aga Khan tradition that branched off of Shi'ite Islam. They incorporate some beliefs of Hinduism into their system as well as Islam. They have high reverance for their spiritual master Aga Khan, and that title of Aga Khan also follows a family succession. A lot of Ismailis don't like Khojas, Khojas are Ismailis who admit and are I guess "proud" of their Hindu ancestry, whereareas other Muslims and other Ismailis shun their Hindu ancestry. Most Muslims don't like Ismailis or even consider them Muslim, but that's an internal matter. I read somewhere that Pakistan even makes its citizens declare the Ismaili religion false, but I'm not sure. Some Ismailis still claim to be Shi'ites whereareas others don't. It's a highly divided sect and religion with internal controversies. Many Ismailies are found mostly in India and Iran, some in Iraq and Pakistan as well; not Saudi Arabia b/c the Saudis would immediately eliminate them. Saudi Arabia is almost exclusively a pure Sunni Muslim nation from what I've heard.


WoW am i glad i read that...offense , and offense, and did i say offense..that is all not purely the truth!! we are MUSLIM, and we are SHIA..and we do like KHOJAS...and hinduism..i graduated with religious education 12 yrs of it..never once was i told we follow some sorta hinduism in to our Islamic religion.. YES we read the QURAN, and no we are never told that we cant PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY, or FAST during RAMADAN..so our beliefs are a little different... still there is no reason why ppl shud believe we arent MUSLIMS..never ever have i learned or read this about my religion as a ISLAM, and me as a shia imami islmaili muslim.. the only thing that is a 100% correct is the whole AGAKHAN squeal u gave! YES we do believe in AGAKHAN, and the title does follow family succession. PAKISTAN does not make its citizens declare ismaili's a false religion, and um PAKISTAN has tons of ismaili's that reside there.. they actually have 3 jamatkhana's for ismaili's in pakistan..one being the biggest..including AGAKHAN UNIVERSITY funded by AGAKHAN!! so yeh..lets do some more re-search while we're at it

im sorry i dont mean to be rude or harsh..its just a little brutal me reading this about my religion..and i feel as though u shouldve put it in a ? format...just like in the end the few comments u made about not knowing how true those statements were.. a lot of them were false.. :?

nice phrasing....we are never stopped from praying 5 times a day or fasting....thats not what the Quran says, if someone told me i didnt have to fast then shoot i would only fast like two days....THE QURAN MAKES IT FARD (MANDATORY) for all able bodied muslims to pray and fast.....

but you have nice phrasing skills to manipulate us to believing you are muslim..i have to give it up to you on that one..

~~ im gonna try keeping this on the top of the Forum to get Muslims and non muslims alike to get what their cult is all about

[__ruby]

HEY GUYS GO TO http://mostmerciful.com/
and the Ismaili section
they have former Ismailis telling about Ismailism and all the Shirk they did....
its an awesome website...alhumduillah

[__ruby]

Theek hai I will Insha'Allah but not right now. Abhi me too tired from all the arguing :lol: Plus *someone* got me thinking about my ex now :roll: :P

Let's all chill and celebrate 14th August, shall we? Here's some mithaayi!


http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=gulab+jaman/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/*-http://www.desistore.com/lib/desistore-com/dalda3.jpg


did you know Quaid-E-Azam was a former ismaili who became a Muslim after the Aga Khan changed the Shahadah

[MaanoBilla]

Theek hai I will Insha'Allah but not right now. Abhi me too tired from all the arguing :lol: Plus *someone* got me thinking about my ex now :roll: :P

Let's all chill and celebrate 14th August, shall we? Here's some mithaayi!


http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=gulab+jaman/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/*-http://www.desistore.com/lib/desistore-com/dalda3.jpg


did you know Quaid-E-Azam was a former ismaili who became a Muslim after the Aga Khan changed the Shahadah

Girl, your obsession scares me!!

Meri mithaayi zaaya hui MUMMY!!! :( :(

[__ruby]

ok i think she left so i can go back to my normal self :lol: :lol: :lol:

[HeRsHeE317]

im sunni but i dun get 1 thing:

Islam is based on what the Prophet peace be upon him did
and sum of the thingz that shia pplz and ahmadi pplz do arent wat da Prophet pbuh did
where did u get da new traditionz 4rm?

[__ruby]

God knows

[HeRsHeE317]

God knows


u sunni?

[__ruby]

yeah alhumdillah

[HeRsHeE317]

more power 2 us
:lol:

[__ruby]

did you read this whole thread... oh my god...this girl does not answer the most simple question i ask about her "interpretation" of Islam...

[HeRsHeE317]

na but ill check it out now

[HeRsHeE317]

ok wat exactly is agakhan?
ive herd of him but do u wat...believe in him?

[zimmy24]

why dont you let us go into your JK
why do you have security blocking us to come in
why do you always have pictures of the Aga Khan
why did he let his daughter marry a christian
why do you ask Ali for Madad
why do you celebrate zoastrian (fire worshipper) holidays like Navroz, religiously?
why do you not cover your hair when praying?
why dont you pray 5 times a day
why do you sing ginans in a place of worship
why do you not follow the laws of the quran, banning interest, giving zakat (not dasond), fasting everyday in ramzan

answer my questions...and ill change my view


Its not only Ismailis who say 'Ya Ali madad'. I am non ismaili shia and we say it too.

[__ruby]

i dont believe in him

[HeRsHeE317]

Discuss

Sects are forbidden in the quran.

Just FYI

exactly

Allah has sent down one Quran...one religion...one prophet
were not supposed 2 alter the sunnahz of the Prophet 2 fit r lifestyle
watz da point of believeing in him den?
and da ahmadiz dont even believe he was da last prophet
i dunno where dey gat dat 4rm
but derez not supposed 2 be divisionz of Islam
it makez Islam sound like itz not da straight up truth cuz itz brokn down into so many beliefz

[HeRsHeE317]

Shias, hanafis, Shafis, Hanbalis, and Malikis are Muslims...we have different interpretations of the Quraan....

You guys, Aga Khanis......have a total disregard for Quranic laws and principles...you call Aga Khan your Maula and the Mazhar (manifestation) of Allah on Earth...and you put his words above what it says in the Quran...

so by that def. you are not Muslims, sorry to break to you hun


mawla is outta respect to his title of AGAKHAN.. but no we do not consider him GOD, and...we do not have a disregard for the quranic laws... the quran itself..has been edited and re-edited from TIMES AND TIMES AGO..but do we know this as a fact..NO WE DONT..just like u not being ismaili dont know if all of what u said is a FACT..it ur ruthless opinion on someone elses religion..and how u percieve it.. and WE ARE MUSLIMS..

i dont see how u ppl ..could be so low to put down someone ELSES faith, and religion! my ? is HOW WOULD U KNOW?????????? :roll: :?


ive neva herd of agakhan muslimz
2 me it soundz like shirk
and not a sect of Islam

[HeRsHeE317]

you cant argue with Muslims because we are right and we know it.

you guys do not face Makkah when you pray (a group of ismaili girls told me it wasn't important)
what the Quran says:

Whencesoever thou comest forth turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship; and wheresoever ye may be (O Muslims) turn your faces toward it (when ye pray) so that men may have no argument against you, save such of them as do injustice. Fear them not, but fear Me and so that I may complete My grace upon you, and that ye may be guided.
Qur'an 2: 150


omg
R U SERIOUS...?
:shock:

[MaanoBilla]

Discuss

Sects are forbidden in the quran.

Just FYI

exactly

Allah has sent down one Quran...one religion...one prophet
were not supposed 2 alter the sunnahz of the Prophet 2 fit r lifestyle
watz da point of believeing in him den?
and da ahmadiz dont even believe he was da last prophet
i dunno where dey gat dat 4rm
but derez not supposed 2 be divisionz of Islam
it makez Islam sound like itz not da straight up truth cuz itz brokn down into so many beliefz

Ahmedis are a different breed. I would recommend we not mix up the two otherwise this post will end up in the "Junk" section and we don't wanna do that now do we?

[hollisterdesi]

I saw a site b4 with a breakdown of Islam and its sects...not 80, but I know theres A LOT....Ismailis are a group of the Aga Khan tradition that branched off of Shi'ite Islam. They incorporate some beliefs of Hinduism into their system as well as Islam. They have high reverance for their spiritual master Aga Khan, and that title of Aga Khan also follows a family succession. A lot of Ismailis don't like Khojas, Khojas are Ismailis who admit and are I guess "proud" of their Hindu ancestry, whereareas other Muslims and other Ismailis shun their Hindu ancestry. Most Muslims don't like Ismailis or even consider them Muslim, but that's an internal matter. I read somewhere that Pakistan even makes its citizens declare the Ismaili religion false, but I'm not sure. Some Ismailis still claim to be Shi'ites whereareas others don't. It's a highly divided sect and religion with internal controversies. Many Ismailies are found mostly in India and Iran, some in Iraq and Pakistan as well; not Saudi Arabia b/c the Saudis would immediately eliminate them. Saudi Arabia is almost exclusively a pure Sunni Muslim nation from what I've heard.


WoW am i glad i read that...offense , and offense, and did i say offense..that is all not purely the truth!! we are MUSLIM, and we are SHIA..and we do like KHOJAS...and hinduism..i graduated with religious education 12 yrs of it..never once was i told we follow some sorta hinduism in to our Islamic religion.. YES we read the QURAN, and no we are never told that we cant PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY, or FAST during RAMADAN..so our beliefs are a little different... still there is no reason why ppl shud believe we arent MUSLIMS..never ever have i learned or read this about my religion as a ISLAM, and me as a shia imami islmaili muslim.. the only thing that is a 100% correct is the whole AGAKHAN squeal u gave! YES we do believe in AGAKHAN, and the title does follow family succession. PAKISTAN does not make its citizens declare ismaili's a false religion, and um PAKISTAN has tons of ismaili's that reside there.. they actually have 3 jamatkhana's for ismaili's in pakistan..one being the biggest..including AGAKHAN UNIVERSITY funded by AGAKHAN!! so yeh..lets do some more re-search while we're at it

im sorry i dont mean to be rude or harsh..its just a little brutal me reading this about my religion..and i feel as though u shouldve put it in a ? format...just like in the end the few comments u made about not knowing how true those statements were.. a lot of them were false.. :?

Sorry I didn't mean to offend you....

And for those that ask how Ismailis incorporate Hinduism into their system, well from what I've read, they say that their Aga Khan was the last avatar of Vishnu...Vishnu is the name Hindus use to address God, same way how Muslims use Allah to address God...so basically, in the Ismaili religion, they believe their Aga Khan is God....apparently some don't, but there are those that do....I don't want to get caught up in the internal problems of another religion but all I can say b4 I leave this thread is PEACE BE UPON ALL!

[HeRsHeE317]

Discuss

Sects are forbidden in the quran.

Just FYI

exactly

Allah has sent down one Quran...one religion...one prophet
were not supposed 2 alter the sunnahz of the Prophet 2 fit r lifestyle
watz da point of believeing in him den?
and da ahmadiz dont even believe he was da last prophet
i dunno where dey gat dat 4rm
but derez not supposed 2 be divisionz of Islam
it makez Islam sound like itz not da straight up truth cuz itz brokn down into so many beliefz

Ahmedis are a different breed. I would recommend we not mix up the two otherwise this post will end up in the "Junk" section and we don't wanna do that now do we?


yea good point
but i still dont get all da different sects
i meen ismaileez r one thing...ahmadis another
well discuss da ahmadiz later cuz i dun get dem either

[SIXPAK GQ]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......

[HeRsHeE317]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......


but it keeps changing the views of islam wit every imam u change
and i dont understand how exactly u managed 2 have 49 different imams....
with every imam each of their views change as well
so each generation has a different belief?

[kashondelivery]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......


but it keeps changing the views of islam wit every imam u change
and i dont understand how exactly u managed 2 have 49 different imams....
with every imam each of their views change as well
so each generation has a different belief?

By that logic, sunni islam has had 49,000 different imams and at any given time you got 1000 different mullahs with differing beliefs. So whats your point?

[SIXPAK GQ]

every month or so, Hazir Imam releases a new Farman which guides us to the right path. Beleifs are same. Ceremonies change. The Du'a we recite 3 times a day use to be 2 hours long but now its cut down to about 5-7 minutes of selected Surahs from the Holy Quran.

[HeRsHeE317]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......


but it keeps changing the views of islam wit every imam u change
and i dont understand how exactly u managed 2 have 49 different imams....
with every imam each of their views change as well
so each generation has a different belief?

By that logic, sunni islam has had 49,000 different imams and at any given time you got 1000 different mullahs with differing beliefs. So whats your point?


as far as i noe...ive neva followed an imam and i dont think my faimily ahs...i believe in the sunnahz of the Prophet and datz all dat amtterz 2 me

[HeRsHeE317]

every month or so, Hazir Imam releases a new Farman which guides us to the right path. Beleifs are same. Ceremonies change. The Du'a we recite 3 times a day use to be 2 hours long but now its cut down to about 5-7 minutes of selected Surahs from the Holy Quran.


juzz outta cuiriosity
how can u cut down a 3 hr dua 2 become 5-7 minz long?

datz takin shortcuts in your own belief

[kashondelivery]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......


but it keeps changing the views of islam wit every imam u change
and i dont understand how exactly u managed 2 have 49 different imams....
with every imam each of their views change as well
so each generation has a different belief?

By that logic, sunni islam has had 49,000 different imams and at any given time you got 1000 different mullahs with differing beliefs. So whats your point?


as far as i noe...ive neva followed an imam and i dont think my faimily ahs...i believe in the sunnahz of the Prophet and datz all dat amtterz 2 me

The point is that sunnis have 1000 different mullahs with different beliefs quarelling about whats right and whats wrong, and you talk about ismailis like they are in some kinda chaos but look at yourself first.

[SIXPAK GQ]

its a revised version.....

[HeRsHeE317]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......


but it keeps changing the views of islam wit every imam u change
and i dont understand how exactly u managed 2 have 49 different imams....
with every imam each of their views change as well
so each generation has a different belief?

By that logic, sunni islam has had 49,000 different imams and at any given time you got 1000 different mullahs with differing beliefs. So whats your point?


as far as i noe...ive neva followed an imam and i dont think my faimily ahs...i believe in the sunnahz of the Prophet and datz all dat amtterz 2 me

The point is that sunnis have 1000 different mullahs with different beliefs quarelling about whats right and whats wrong, and you talk about ismailis like they are in some kinda chaos but look at yourself first.


i just told u
never have i heard of any kinda mullah in da sunni sect
never
if derez 1
point him out, please

[HeRsHeE317]

its a revised version.....


like one of da 20 versions of the bible?

[kashondelivery]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......


but it keeps changing the views of islam wit every imam u change
and i dont understand how exactly u managed 2 have 49 different imams....
with every imam each of their views change as well
so each generation has a different belief?

By that logic, sunni islam has had 49,000 different imams and at any given time you got 1000 different mullahs with differing beliefs. So whats your point?


as far as i noe...ive neva followed an imam and i dont think my faimily ahs...i believe in the sunnahz of the Prophet and datz all dat amtterz 2 me

The point is that sunnis have 1000 different mullahs with different beliefs quarelling about whats right and whats wrong, and you talk about ismailis like they are in some kinda chaos but look at yourself first.


i just told u
never have i heard of any kinda mullah in da sunni sect
never
if derez 1
point him out, please


Gimme a break! All those madrassas in pakiland are run by mullahs. Some mullah in lahore is gunna have one opinion and another mullah in ankara is gunna have another say on things and some riyadh wahabi mullah is gunna turn their opinions totally upside down.

[HeRsHeE317]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......


but it keeps changing the views of islam wit every imam u change
and i dont understand how exactly u managed 2 have 49 different imams....
with every imam each of their views change as well
so each generation has a different belief?

By that logic, sunni islam has had 49,000 different imams and at any given time you got 1000 different mullahs with differing beliefs. So whats your point?


as far as i noe...ive neva followed an imam and i dont think my faimily ahs...i believe in the sunnahz of the Prophet and datz all dat amtterz 2 me

The point is that sunnis have 1000 different mullahs with different beliefs quarelling about whats right and whats wrong, and you talk about ismailis like they are in some kinda chaos but look at yourself first.


i just told u
never have i heard of any kinda mullah in da sunni sect
never
if derez 1
point him out, please


Gimme a break! All those madrassas in pakiland are run by mullahs. Some mullah in lahore is gunna have one opinion and another mullah in ankara is gunna have another say on things and some riyadh wahabi mullah is gunna turn their opinions totally upside down.


da 411:
im not paki
so i wudnt noe dat
ive neva herd of dem
and neve believed in dem
sry...

[kashondelivery]

I am happy with my religion and i have respect for others. I can practice my religion and you can practice urs, we are the only religion that has a present living imam to guide us to sira tul mustaqeem..end of discussion......


but it keeps changing the views of islam wit every imam u change
and i dont understand how exactly u managed 2 have 49 different imams....
with every imam each of their views change as well
so each generation has a different belief?

By that logic, sunni islam has had 49,000 different imams and at any given time you got 1000 different mullahs with differing beliefs. So whats your point?


as far as i noe...ive neva followed an imam and i dont think my faimily ahs...i believe in the sunnahz of the Prophet and datz all dat amtterz 2 me

The point is that sunnis have 1000 different mullahs with different beliefs quarelling about whats right and whats wrong, and you talk about ismailis like they are in some kinda chaos but look at yourself first.


i just told u
never have i heard of any kinda mullah in da sunni sect
never
if derez 1
point him out, please


Gimme a break! All those madrassas in pakiland are run by mullahs. Some mullah in lahore is gunna have one opinion and another mullah in ankara is gunna have another say on things and some riyadh wahabi mullah is gunna turn their opinions totally upside down.


da 411:
im not paki
so i wudnt noe dat
ive neva herd of dem
and neve believed in dem
sry...


Ok thats called ignorance then.

[hollisterdesi]

Can someone intelligent please explain to me who Ahmadis are and their history.

[kashondelivery]

Ahmadis are desis who believe that christ was reincarnated in india about 100 years ago or so, and that was his second coming so they consider him their prophet. Its desi homegrown islam. Saudis and pakis declare them kafirs. So do most other muslims if I am not mistaken. Oh...and they consider themselves the true muslims because they are "in" on the fact that jesus came and went already while all the other muslims were looking somewhere else.

[hollisterdesi]

Interesting

[HeRsHeE317]

Ahmadis are desis who believe that christ was reincarnated in india about 100 years ago or so, and that was his second coming so they consider him their prophet. Its desi homegrown islam. Saudis and pakis declare them kafirs. So do most other muslims if I am not mistaken. Oh...and they consider themselves the true muslims because they are "in" on the fact that jesus came and went already while all the other muslims were looking somewhere else.


i dun get it
:?

[kam19]

All ismaili's .... shake dem haters off ... :wink:


Its sad/Low enough for people to insult other religions...


But to insult another part of your OWN religion... is a whole nother' thing :roll:


We should all know better not to stoop to that level... our prayer ways and a few beliefs may be different, but we still pray to and belive in one allah... :o

Stay up

[__ruby]

The Aga Khan and his appointees 'forgive the sins' of the followers on regular basis. Ismailis are misled into believing that they will not be questioned on the Day of Judgment for the sins that are already forgiven in their Jamatkhanas (community centers). Forgiving of sins is the exclusive prerogative and privilege of Allah (swt) alone. Qur'an 3:135.

The Aga Khan has officially Declared himself, before his followers, as the "Mazhar of Allah on earth". The word "mazhar" means "copy" or "manifest". Consequently, these Ismailis who call themselves Muslims do "sujood" before him. So even the primary axiomatic principle of Tawheed is being fundamentally and formally violated by them.

The Ismailis (followers of the Aga Khan) all professedly believe that the Qur'an was time bound and was not meant to be a Universal message for all times. They believe that their spiritual leader, Karim Aga Khan, is the "walking - talking Qur'an" and his "religious pronouncements", whatever they may be, are the "guidance" for the present times. The fundamental article of faith that there will not be any NEW revelations or "wahy" after the Qur'an, is being completely violated by the Ismailis.


About the Mullahs, that you keep talking about.... our Mullahs (imams) only lead our prayers, they are not our khalifa and it's ok if we disagree with him but when my Imam at my Masjid in Atlanta says something like let's say "fasting is obligatory" then he backs it up with Quranic and Prophetic sayings..... NO muslim can argue with that.... you treat your imam like a god/prophet..

***by the way... i don't follow any living imam and most sunni dont....
we had 4 imam scholars who most of us follow
Imam Shafi
Imam Hanbal
Imam Hanafi
Imam Malik
they were not special leaders or god-like mazhars---they were just scholars..
i take some of the teachings of one and some of the other.

[boogalaboo]

shouldnt this be in the religious forum?

[HeRsHeE317]

The Aga Khan and his appointees 'forgive the sins' of the followers on regular basis. Ismailis are misled into believing that they will not be questioned on the Day of Judgment for the sins that are already forgiven in their Jamatkhanas (community centers). Forgiving of sins is the exclusive prerogative and privilege of Allah (swt) alone. Qur'an 3:135.

The Aga Khan has officially Declared himself, before his followers, as the "Mazhar of Allah on earth". The word "mazhar" means "copy" or "manifest". Consequently, these Ismailis who call themselves Muslims do "sujood" before him. So even the primary axiomatic principle of Tawheed is being fundamentally and formally violated by them.

The Ismailis (followers of the Aga Khan) all professedly believe that the Qur'an was time bound and was not meant to be a Universal message for all times. They believe that their spiritual leader, Karim Aga Khan, is the "walking - talking Qur'an" and his "religious pronouncements", whatever they may be, are the "guidance" for the present times. The fundamental article of faith that there will not be any NEW revelations or "wahy" after the Qur'an, is being completely violated by the Ismailis.


About the Mullahs, that you keep talking about.... our Mullahs (imams) only lead our prayers, they are not our khalifa and it's ok if we disagree with him but when my Imam at my Masjid in Atlanta says something like let's say "fasting is obligatory" then he backs it up with Quranic and Prophetic sayings..... NO muslim can argue with that.... you treat your imam like a god/prophet..

***by the way... i don't follow any living imam and most sunni dont....
we had 4 imam scholars who most of us follow
Imam Shafi
Imam Hanbal
Imam Hanafi
Imam Malik
they were not special leaders or god-like mazhars---they were just scholars..
i take some of the teachings of one and some of the other.


oooooooooooooooooooo
in your FACE!!!
told u!

[__ruby]

why dont you let us go into your JK
why do you have security blocking us to come in
why do you always have pictures of the Aga Khan
why did he let his daughter marry a christian
why do you ask Ali for Madad
why do you celebrate zoastrian (fire worshipper) holidays like Navroz, religiously?
why do you not cover your hair when praying?
why dont you pray 5 times a day
why do you sing ginans in a place of worship
why do you not follow the laws of the quran, banning interest, giving zakat (not dasond), fasting everyday in ramzan

answer my questions...and ill change my view


Its not only Ismailis who say 'Ya Ali madad'. I am non ismaili shia and we say it too.

well thats why im not shia, saying Ya Ali Madad is taking from one of Allah's (SWT) attribute...Allah is the only one who you ask help(madad) from..he is the only helper...hazrat ali is dead

[imrankabacha]

^^^^she knows her stuff...SAY WHAT

[boogalaboo]

shouldnt this be in the religious forum?

[HeRsHeE317]

^^^^she knows her stuff...SAY WHAT


MASHALLAH

[__ruby]

awww thanks...thats what years of sunday school does...

[__ruby]

i should say jazakullah :)

[adren@line]

its quite funny how these Ahmadis, Qudanis, and other such groups who supposedly deviate from Sunni, Shia, and Wahhabi Islam are the LEAST crazy amongst the Muslim groups and the least prone to involve in terrorist activities.

[__ruby]

its funny to see how youre the only idiot that thinks that way..
Ahmadis, Qadianis, Aga Khanis make up less than 1% of the Muslim community

[chunky]

its quite funny how these Ahmadis, Qudanis, and other such groups who supposedly deviate from Sunni, Shia, and Wahhabi Islam are the LEAST crazy amongst the Muslim groups and the least prone to involve in terrorist activities.

? the percentage of "crazy" terrorist muslims is incredibly small to begin with. . . .

[chunky]

its funny to see how youre the only idiot that thinks that way..
Ahmadis, Qadianis, Aga Khanis make up less than 1% of the Muslim community

on a side note. . . . DK is my mostest favoritest super mario kart player. I destroy all with him!

[adren@line]

its funny to see how youre the only idiot that thinks that way..
Ahmadis, Qadianis, Aga Khanis make up less than 1% of the Muslim community

1% of 1 billion people is alot.
How come none of the Indian Muslims are terrorists either (even though they are 100 million +)..

what the hell is up with these Pakis and Afghanis that make them so crazy?

[tom dick harry]

on a side note. . . . DK is my mostest favoritest super mario kart player. I destroy all with him!

Koopa Troopa > Donkey Kong

Proof? Mario Circuit One, Fastest Lap: 1min 03secs.

[chunky]

on a side note. . . . DK is my mostest favoritest super mario kart player. I destroy all with him!

Koopa Troopa > Donkey Kong

Proof? Mario Circuit One, Fastest Lap: 1min 03secs.

hah. come again. i will post you pics of my fastest times. ;)

DK owns all. but it takes a special breed to drive him at the limit. if you make 1 mistake, you're toast. but if you're flawless, you will decimate all.

[MaanoBilla]

Shab beet gayi, chaand bhi doob chala
Zanjeer par gayi darwaazay mein
Kiyoon dair gaye ghar aaye hooooooooo
Kiyoon dair gaye ghar aaye hooo
Sajni say karo gay bahaanaaa kiaaaa

Insha ji utho, ab kooch karo
Is sheher mein jee ko lagaana kia :( :(

[boogalaboo]

shouldnt this be in the religious forum?

[hollisterdesi]

Ahmadis and Agakhanis are fine....every1 is fine...as long as u dont go out and commit terrorism or convert ppl

[MaanoBilla]

Ahmadis and Agakhanis are fine....every1 is fine...as long as u dont go out and commit terrorism or convert ppl

Matthew 28:16-20: "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

[boogalaboo]

shouldnt this be in the religious forum?

[hollisterdesi]

Ahmadis and Agakhanis are fine....every1 is fine...as long as u dont go out and commit terrorism or convert ppl

Matthew 28:16-20: "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

???

[MaanoBilla]

I like Christianity :) But theyre also bad people cuz they want to "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever (Jesus has) commanded (them)."

[hollisterdesi]

Yep

[zimmy24]

its quite funny how these Ahmadis, Qudanis, and other such groups who supposedly deviate from Sunni, Shia, and Wahhabi Islam are the LEAST crazy amongst the Muslim groups and the least prone to involve in terrorist activities.

Wahabi Islam is a deviation from the sunni/shia thing. They are the most involved in terrorism and are supported by the Saudi gov't and they are a very small minority.

[SIXPAK GQ]

Ismailism is by far the most united successfull community in the world

[adren@line]

I like Christianity :) But theyre also bad people cuz they want to "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever (Jesus has) commanded (them)."

Christians are *almost* as bad as Muslims, but they are much more bearable and in general are much more tolerant.

There is no major Hindu-Christian conflict anyways, so how is this relevant?

[boogalaboo]

Ismailism is by far the most united successfull community in the world

What defines success?

[MaanoBilla]

I like Christianity :) But theyre also bad people cuz they want to "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever (Jesus has) commanded (them)."

Christians are *almost* as bad as Muslims, but they are much more bearable and in general are much more tolerant.



lol keep talking I love it when you make a fool out of yourself :lol:

[Daman4u786]

i am ismali :)

[MaanoBilla]

i am ismali :)
Wassup with the dhol dhamaka?

[Daman4u786]

its my punjabi friends dhol....i was wearing it cuz i am learning how to play :)
he is pretty good at dhol
My friends from htown...DBI...are some of the best dholi players around

[SIXPAK GQ]

chak de......oye punjabi!

[~Honey~]

Ok I'm sort of uninformed about this but what is an Ismaili?

[SIXPAK GQ]

Ismailis are Shia Muslims

[~Honey~]

Oh ok. And are they generally not as strict about Islam compared to Sunni or what? As you can see, I really have no idea at all.

[adren@line]

I like Christianity :) But theyre also bad people cuz they want to "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever (Jesus has) commanded (them)."

Christians are *almost* as bad as Muslims, but they are much more bearable and in general are much more tolerant.



lol keep talking I love it when you make a fool out of yourself :lol:
technically im typing...

:P

[T.O_gurl]

why dont you let us go into your JK
why do you have security blocking us to come in
why do you always have pictures of the Aga Khan
why did he let his daughter marry a christian
why do you ask Ali for Madad
why do you celebrate zoastrian (fire worshipper) holidays like Navroz, religiously?
why do you not cover your hair when praying?
why dont you pray 5 times a day
why do you sing ginans in a place of worship
why do you not follow the laws of the quran, banning interest, giving zakat (not dasond), fasting everyday in ramzan

answer my questions...and ill change my view




Hi...i kno i'm kinda late on this forum, but i was juz searching the web, and i cam across this site...so i figured...wat the hell..lemme reply.
Wow...Ruby, u seem to be on a role here...no one answer any of ure questions...lemme give it a try...

1. Well, ure not allowed to go into our JK cuz...well, we're not allowed to go into ure mosque either, rite? Thtz b/c, itz a place where prayer is recited...in a Mosque, no spctators are allowed b/c itz affensive to watch ppl wen they are having there deepest moments with Allah. How wud u like it if there were ppl watching u like an animal in a zoo while ure praying???

2. There is no security blocking u...u can pretent to be ismaili and walk in if u want...no one is going to stop...ofcource, like i mentioned earlier, itz very offensive. The same way, i cud walk into ure mosque (properly dressed ofcourse), and no one wud stop me

3. We have pics of AgaKhan to remind us that there is someone guiding us. We do not pray to Aga Khan, nor do v bow to him...we look at him as our equal and we respect him, just like he respects us. He is our spritual father, and in no way our God. We respect him just like u would a prophet.

4. Aga khan let his daughter marry a Christian. This is a way of showing frindship, plus, we believe Aga Khan is our Spirtual father, and we are his spirtual children, so naturally his real daughter cud also be onsidered a spirtual leader. So the Aga khan family cannot marry anyone ismaili b/c they wud be consisdered as a spritual child, rather they marrya non ismaili, and they may or maynot convert them into an ismaili.

5. I'm not sure why we ask Ali for madad..but i'll get back to u on that one...i'm sure there is a good explanation for that.

6. Navros we believe is spring, as in a new begining. Itz in the muslim calender, so obviously it will be celebrated like a religious event :!:

7. WE DO COVER OUR HAIR WHILE PRAYING.....well, we are supposed to anyways...most of the ladies do...i dunno why the men don't. ofcourse, if ure in an emergency situation, and u dun't have anything to cover ure hair with, u can pray...cuz praying is more important than if ure hair is covered or not!

8. Get back to u on that one too

9. We sing Ginans in a place f workship cuz maybe Ginans are poems prasing Allah...dun!

10. The Quran doesn't mention any of that stuff directly...itz all in ure interpretation of the Quran, hun! The Quran has set basic guideline, itz up to u to interpret them in ure own way...itz ure prespective. Pick up two translations of the Qran in English...they will not be the same! Itz depeneds on prespective and how u want to intrpret wats written into ure life. While we're at this topic....so u believe that ppl who wear head gear (hijabs) are doing it for purely religious matters or not? It doesn't say in the Quran that u need to cover ure head at all times, yet ppl do...why? Its all part of a patriachal society...and women are brain washed into believing itz all religious. And if u agree with wat i'm saying, do u think all the ppl who wear hijabs and say itz for religious resons are hypocrites? And if u think ppl who wear hijabs do wear it for religious resons...u need a few history lessons, and face that u have been brainwashed! Itz a male dominated society, and it has in the past as well...u need to come back to earth princess! :!: :!:

[MaanoBilla]

why dont you let us go into your JK
why do you have security blocking us to come in
why do you always have pictures of the Aga Khan
why did he let his daughter marry a christian
why do you ask Ali for Madad
why do you celebrate zoastrian (fire worshipper) holidays like Navroz, religiously?
why do you not cover your hair when praying?
why dont you pray 5 times a day
why do you sing ginans in a place of worship
why do you not follow the laws of the quran, banning interest, giving zakat (not dasond), fasting everyday in ramzan

answer my questions...and ill change my view




Hi...i kno i'm kinda late on this forum, but i was juz searching the web, and i cam across this site...so i figured...wat the hell..lemme reply.
Wow...Ruby, u seem to be on a role here...no one answer any of ure questions...lemme give it a try...

1. Well, ure not allowed to go into our JK cuz...well, we're not allowed to go into ure mosque either, rite? Thtz b/c, itz a place where prayer is recited...in a Mosque, no spctators are allowed b/c itz affensive to watch ppl wen they are having there deepest moments with Allah. How wud u like it if there were ppl watching u like an animal in a zoo while ure praying???

2. There is no security blocking u...u can pretent to be ismaili and walk in if u want...no one is going to stop...ofcource, like i mentioned earlier, itz very offensive. The same way, i cud walk into ure mosque (properly dressed ofcourse), and no one wud stop me

3. We have pics of AgaKhan to remind us that there is someone guiding us. We do not pray to Aga Khan, nor do v bow to him...we look at him as our equal and we respect him, just like he respects us. He is our spritual father, and in no way our God. We respect him just like u would a prophet.

4. Aga khan let his daughter marry a Christian. This is a way of showing frindship, plus, we believe Aga Khan is our Spirtual father, and we are his spirtual children, so naturally his real daughter cud also be onsidered a spirtual leader. So the Aga khan family cannot marry anyone ismaili b/c they wud be consisdered as a spritual child, rather they marrya non ismaili, and they may or maynot convert them into an ismaili.

5. I'm not sure why we ask Ali for madad..but i'll get back to u on that one...i'm sure there is a good explanation for that.

6. Navros we believe is spring, as in a new begining. Itz in the muslim calender, so obviously it will be celebrated like a religious event :!:

7. WE DO COVER OUR HAIR WHILE PRAYING.....well, we are supposed to anyways...most of the ladies do...i dunno why the men don't. ofcourse, if ure in an emergency situation, and u dun't have anything to cover ure hair with, u can pray...cuz praying is more important than if ure hair is covered or not!

8. Get back to u on that one too

9. We sing Ginans in a place f workship cuz maybe Ginans are poems prasing Allah...dun!

10. The Quran doesn't mention any of that stuff directly...itz all in ure interpretation of the Quran, hun! The Quran has set basic guideline, itz up to u to interpret them in ure own way...itz ure prespective. Pick up two translations of the Qran in English...they will not be the same! Itz depeneds on prespective and how u want to intrpret wats written into ure life. While we're at this topic....so u believe that ppl who wear head gear (hijabs) are doing it for purely religious matters or not? It doesn't say in the Quran that u need to cover ure head at all times, yet ppl do...why? Its all part of a patriachal society...and women are brain washed into believing itz all religious. And if u agree with wat i'm saying, do u think all the ppl who wear hijabs and say itz for religious resons are hypocrites? And if u think ppl who wear hijabs do wear it for religious resons...u need a few history lessons, and face that u have been brainwashed! Itz a male dominated society, and it has in the past as well...u need to come back to earth princess! :!: :!:
#1 & #2 contradict each other but anyhow this is not really my debate, so.... any takers on this?


P.S. T.O_gurl welcome to RD!

[T.O_gurl]

Thnx 4 the welcome MaanoBilla!!

[BdzFinest15]

wow i aint kno there were so many shias on here. im a sunni, and i came across this. quite interesting to learn new things.

[samosa321]

Just stop making threads regarding Islam, all right? It never leads to anything but hostility.

[SIXPAK GQ]

sunni honh ya shia, hum to hain Shia Ismaili

[sms9231]

ismaili thread......i will b at sports fest in atl

[sms9231]

sixpack ur ismaili thaz kool

[jamizzydamohizzy]

i rep the ja'fari shias 8)

[__ruby]

why dont you let us go into your JK
why do you have security blocking us to come in
why do you always have pictures of the Aga Khan
why did he let his daughter marry a christian
why do you ask Ali for Madad
why do you celebrate zoastrian (fire worshipper) holidays like Navroz, religiously?
why do you not cover your hair when praying?
why dont you pray 5 times a day
why do you sing ginans in a place of worship
why do you not follow the laws of the quran, banning interest, giving zakat (not dasond), fasting everyday in ramzan

answer my questions...and ill change my view




Hi...i kno i'm kinda late on this forum, but i was juz searching the web, and i cam across this site...so i figured...wat the hell..lemme reply.
Wow...Ruby, u seem to be on a role here...no one answer any of ure questions...lemme give it a try...

1. Well, ure not allowed to go into our JK cuz...well, we're not allowed to go into ure mosque either, rite? Thtz b/c, itz a place where prayer is recited...in a Mosque, no spctators are allowed b/c itz affensive to watch ppl wen they are having there deepest moments with Allah. How wud u like it if there were ppl watching u like an animal in a zoo while ure praying???

2. There is no security blocking u...u can pretent to be ismaili and walk in if u want...no one is going to stop...ofcource, like i mentioned earlier, itz very offensive. The same way, i cud walk into ure mosque (properly dressed ofcourse), and no one wud stop me

3. We have pics of AgaKhan to remind us that there is someone guiding us. We do not pray to Aga Khan, nor do v bow to him...we look at him as our equal and we respect him, just like he respects us. He is our spritual father, and in no way our God. We respect him just like u would a prophet.

4. Aga khan let his daughter marry a Christian. This is a way of showing frindship, plus, we believe Aga Khan is our Spirtual father, and we are his spirtual children, so naturally his real daughter cud also be onsidered a spirtual leader. So the Aga khan family cannot marry anyone ismaili b/c they wud be consisdered as a spritual child, rather they marrya non ismaili, and they may or maynot convert them into an ismaili.

5. I'm not sure why we ask Ali for madad..but i'll get back to u on that one...i'm sure there is a good explanation for that.

6. Navros we believe is spring, as in a new begining. Itz in the muslim calender, so obviously it will be celebrated like a religious event :!:

7. WE DO COVER OUR HAIR WHILE PRAYING.....well, we are supposed to anyways...most of the ladies do...i dunno why the men don't. ofcourse, if ure in an emergency situation, and u dun't have anything to cover ure hair with, u can pray...cuz praying is more important than if ure hair is covered or not!

8. Get back to u on that one too

9. We sing Ginans in a place f workship cuz maybe Ginans are poems prasing Allah...dun!

10. The Quran doesn't mention any of that stuff directly...itz all in ure interpretation of the Quran, hun! The Quran has set basic guideline, itz up to u to interpret them in ure own way...itz ure prespective. Pick up two translations of the Qran in English...they will not be the same! Itz depeneds on prespective and how u want to intrpret wats written into ure life. While we're at this topic....so u believe that ppl who wear head gear (hijabs) are doing it for purely religious matters or not? It doesn't say in the Quran that u need to cover ure head at all times, yet ppl do...why? Its all part of a patriachal society...and women are brain washed into believing itz all religious. And if u agree with wat i'm saying, do u think all the ppl who wear hijabs and say itz for religious resons are hypocrites? And if u think ppl who wear hijabs do wear it for religious resons...u need a few history lessons, and face that u have been brainwashed! Itz a male dominated society, and it has in the past as well...u need to come back to earth princess! :!: :!:
#1 & #2 contradict each other but anyhow this is not really my debate, so.... any takers on this?


P.S. T.O_gurl welcome to RD!


1. you are allowed in Masjid...everyone is allowed...blacks, white, christians, jews, hindus, men, women....we don't bar people from learning about Islam and Allah....how do you think the Prophet of Islam taught people how to pray....people observed him....i have non-muslims come into our mosque to observe us..and we welcome them as fellow sisters

2. I know a kid that went to the JK in Decatur, GA...and he was kicked out...and i was at a desi restaurant when one of the halls was being used as a temporary JK and there was security everywhere....lets say this Ismaili crap is true. why would you not let other people come and be part of your "chosen" community..its a bunch of BS

3. are there pictures in Makkah or Madinah?? why do you need a picture to remind you. There's something called Faith

4. The Quran says: "They (Muslim women) are not lawful for them (the disbelivers) nor are they (the disbeliever) lawful for them" [al-Mumtahana 10] ..... but then again you put some guy, the aga khans, word over the words of God.

5. You ask Ali for Madad because you insist on being rebellious when Allah tells you in Surah Fathiha ask Allah for help, and not a dead person

6. Navroz is not in the Islamic calender...there's no mention of it in the Quran.. It's a Parsi (zoastrian) holiday... It's one thing to celebrate a holiday for fun (like B-days or Basant) but to make them religious holidays is wrong.

7. Covering your hair is modest and necessary when praying...and you dont pray facing the Qiblah, its ordered in the Quraan

8. How can you not answer to one of the Basic Pillar of Islam.

9. You praise Ali, the Aga khan, Hussein, and Pirs in your ginans..

10. im brainwashed to believe that everything in the Quran is true.....umm ok? the Quran is the final message to mankind...it deals with Inheritance rights, Property, Interest, Dietary Laws, Fasting, Modesty, Sex, Heaven, hell, Praying, War, Peace, Divorce, Marriage, Science, History, etc...it is a very powerful book..

the most important point i want to make to you is.... If the Aga Khan is our leader and his family is special...WHY ARE THEY NEVER MENTIONED IN THE QURAN...HAZRAT ALI ISNT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE QURAN...THAT'S HOW INSIGNIFICANT THE AGA KHAN IS


This is a Ginan....sign of true Kafirdom

hak tu paak tu baadshaah maher baan bee
Ya Ali tu hi tu

You are the Just, You are the Sinless,
Oh Ali the Gracious Heavenly King, You are indeed all.

rab tu rahemaan tu ya ali aval akhar
kazi tu hi tu
You are the Sustainer, You are the Merciful,
Oh Ali, You are the First and the Last, the Judge, You are indeed all.

te upaayaa te nipaayaa sirjann haar
ya ali tu hi tu..........
You are the one who originated and You are the one who created, Oh Ali you the Creator, You are indeed all.

jal thal mull mandal haar naa
ya ali hukam teraa bi tu hi tu
In the water and on the land, You have laid the
roots (foundations, of creation),
Oh Ali everything therein and on is
at Your command, You are indeed all.

teri dostee me boliyaa peer shamsh
me bandaa teraa bi tu hi tu
In Your friendship says Peer Shamsh: "I am also Your
created being", You are indeed all.



It gives God's attributes to Hazrat Ali. [-X

[SIXPAK GQ]

bump

[-ali-]

Just stop making threads regarding Islam, all right? It never leads to anything but hostility.

I agree !!!
Being a Sunni Muslim myself, all i have to say is ALLAH KNOWS BEST !!
73 different sects of Islam and ONLY ONE will enter the gates of heaven !

[MaanoBilla]

Meow :lol:

[itsallaboutme]

woof woof! :oops:

[faisal786786786]

Well ruby I think the only person muslims to shame in this is u. islam is about peace and respecting other people. Which is something that u clearly to do not have. All the muslims on here that are criticising other peoples religions are purely the ones that give muslims in general a bad name.

I am a sunni muslim myself, but I know a lot of ismailis and one of my best friends is one. The biggest asset they have is that they do not go round criticising muslims all day and leave everyone to believe what they want, so shame on all the muslims on there that do not respect other peoples beliefs.

As for all the facts, we aren’t stupid we know ur getting them from a site that is setting out to give ismailis a bad name so maybe if u went to a more factual rather than garbage based site it might make u more intelligent. Cos as im sure u no, there are even more sites out there set out to portray sunni muslims in a bad way, so maybe u should use ur brain and just purely have a bit more respect for others.

Its tiring reading threads on religion especially as it’s a personal thing and u have no right wotsoever to criticise someone elses beliefs. So get over urslef and stop trying to convert people all day and make them think exactly the same way as u!! maybe u should drop ur obsession and get a new hobbie

[himynamesmo]

its quite funny how these Ahmadis, Qudanis, and other such groups who supposedly deviate from Sunni, Shia, and Wahhabi Islam are the LEAST crazy amongst the Muslim groups and the least prone to involve in terrorist activities.

omg for once u have uttered some wisdom and i actually agree with u.

[statix]

its quite funny how these Ahmadis, Qudanis, and other such groups who supposedly deviate from Sunni, Shia, and Wahhabi Islam are the LEAST crazy amongst the Muslim groups and the least prone to involve in terrorist activities.

omg for once u have uttered some wisdom and i actually agree with u.

so many sects this is why there is no godamn unity amongst muslims

[himynamesmo]

Ahmadis are desis who believe that christ was reincarnated in india about 100 years ago or so, and that was his second coming so they consider him their prophet. Its desi homegrown islam. Saudis and pakis declare them kafirs. So do most other muslims if I am not mistaken. Oh...and they consider themselves the true muslims because they are "in" on the fact that jesus came and went already while all the other muslims were looking somewhere else.

not true.

[faisal786786786]

its quite funny how these Ahmadis, Qudanis, and other such groups who supposedly deviate from Sunni, Shia, and Wahhabi Islam are the LEAST crazy amongst the Muslim groups and the least prone to involve in terrorist activities.

omg for once u have uttered some wisdom and i actually agree with u.

so many sects this is why there is no godamn unity amongst muslims

which is why all the smaller sects do their own thing and get on well as a community. trust me there is no bloody unity among muslims they 2 busy dissin others

[reaz]

i am sorry i have to move this. __ruby, please keep your views on religion polite and instead of bashing other sects of Islam follow Islam to the best of your capabilities.

[faisal786786786]

i am sorry i have to move this. __ruby, please keep your views on religion polite and instead of bashing other sects of Islam follow Islam to the best of your capabilities.

have sum basic respect and get out of ur weird obsession

[SIXPAK GQ]

bumped for paradise

[ms.bangbang]

ruby, honestly there are enuf people who bash muslims alone, do we have to start fighting amongst ourselves? if your 'sunni' faith is so strong, then why dya talk like u feel threatened by the ismaili faith? they dont try evangelising, they dont point fingers at us sunni's....so leave them alone. you are trying soo sooo desperately to pick a fight, and she's not even bothering to respond to you. if you wanna debate with somebody, do it in a nice manner, otherwise nobody will respect you, and neither r u gonna come any close to making anybody realise they r wrong (since thats wot u seem dead set on.)

and btw im not ismaili so dont start on me :S im sunni (by name) but when i see myself as a Muslim, the issues that divide us Muslims dont affect me, mainly since alot of the time they are about historical facts, which frankly do not affect my life or my rship with God.