Ban the viel or Nikaab

[sky_]

SO that what the government is thinking of doing in the UK

Iv have been given the job to write and reserch Info from various people
For a TV show

in short
http://www.khrn.org/images/hijab.jpg

Hijaab
was Borrowed from The christianity religion what Nuns wear
for modesty reason and it doesn't say anywhere is the Quran about
covering the face for Practicul reason and common sense

The veil Nikaab or Burka

http://www.khrn.org/images/muslim.jpg

was originally invented By Royalty
as the women didn't wanna be seen by the poor or lower casts people
NEVER HAS THIS BEEN ISLAMIC never been in ISLAM
over the years these people slowly converted to Islam
and brought there costumes with them
and was slowly integrated by MAN into Islam
which is stupid mainly by men who felt insecure about there women

I personally feel fro the view that I have collected from 82 people this week
is that The Nikaab gives the wrong image of Islam
(for something that isn't even Islamic)
makes the religion seem backwards
and makes Muslims seem that they live in fear of people
looking at there women
which is crazy

i wanna know
what are your views on this

cos personally i asked a few people
would you send you child to a school
where all the teachers wore Masks and had only the holes for the eyes
cos personally I wouldn't NOWAY


I'm a Muslim
sky
x

http://www.submission.org/dress.html

[mebabysham]

i dunno if many muslims would agree wit u there.. i think people feel that its a show of modesty.

me personally, i dont care for veiling. or anything that sets men and women apart. but thats just me, and im not a muslim.


no disrespect to anyone.

[jus_me]

so the women who totally cover their faces arent doing it because theyre uber religious, its because they think theyre queens and princesses?

is the actual hijaab worn for a religious reason or just for the same modesty/covering up reason?

[4u2nvqt]

grow a beard,,
thats wajib

[sky_]

i dunno if many muslims would agree wit u there.. i think people feel that its a show of modesty.

me personally, i dont care for veiling. or anything that sets men and women apart. but thats just me, and im not a muslim.


no disrespect to anyone.

its true Many Muslim wouldn't agree
for the simple reason
THEY DONT KNOW THERE OWN RELIGION
Cos they don't read up on it

they go by what the say or what they told
Never read up on it goes all against it
In Islam WOMEN AND MEN ARE EQUAL
and this Viel thing is goes all against islam

[mebabysham]

so the women who totally cover their faces arent doing it because theyre uber religious, its because they think theyre queens and princesses?

is the actual hijaab worn for a religious reason or just for the same modesty/covering up reason?

i dunno, i doubt they think of themselves as royalty and that's why they wear it. seems religious to me. i could be wrong though

[sky_]

grow a beard,,
thats wajib

Beard is Sunnat
Not FARAZ

translation means its not compulsory

in other words
if you grow a beard
do it properly
don't do it cos its in fashion or for style like goatee

[mebabysham]

its true Many Muslim wouldn't agree
for the simple reason
THEY DONT KNOW THERE OWN RELIGION
Cos they don't read up on it

they go by what the say or what they told
Never read up on it goes all against it
In Islam WOMEN AND MEN ARE EQUAL
and this Viel thing is goes all against islam

i see.

(again, not muslim, so i dunno what to tell u..)

maybe more would agree if u posted stuff.. or they could just buckle down and read up on it on their own.
u know what though, lotsa people (of diff faiths) just follow a religion without knowin diddly squat about it.

[jus_me]

i dunno, i doubt they think of themselves as royalty and that's why they wear it. seems religious to me. i could be wrong though

yeah i used to think that too but sky just said they copied it from days of old when royalty used to wear it, i thought it was part of the religion, the way the pagh is for us sikhs.

if its not even religious i dont see why theres such a big fuss about it.

[4u2nvqt]

its true Many Muslim wouldn't agree
for the simple reason
THEY DONT KNOW THERE OWN RELIGION
Cos they don't read up on it

they go by what the say or what they told
Never read up on it goes all against it
In Islam WOMEN AND MEN ARE EQUAL
and this Viel thing is goes all against islam

for a women to cover up is vital, but the face does not need to be covered up,,those who choose to do it, should not be asked to remove it. thats just redicolous. you say ppl dont read up on their religion why dont you grow a beard, thats wajib its compulsary and the greatest of sunnats. one which nabi can recognise you on the day of judgement. how about that. or have you not read upon that part yet.

[mebabysham]

yeah i used to think that too but sky just said they copied it from days of old when royalty used to wear it, i thought it was part of the religion, the way the pagh is for us sikhs.

if its not even religious i dont see why theres such a big fuss about it.

oh, i believe him.. im not questioning the historical aspect (until someone proves it untrue)...

what i meant was, i think they dont know where it originated and they believe its for modesty/religious purposes. thats just how it seems.

with sikhi, isnt the turban a direct show of faith? like, ur not properly sikh unless u wear a pugh?
..and also, isnt that supposed to be a sign of equality amongst everyone because rich and poor alike grow their hair/wear a pugh? (am i right)?

[sky_]

i dunno, i doubt they think of themselves as royalty and that's why they wear it. seems religious to me. i could be wrong though


Its cos they have followed the trends for centuries
in places where there were Desert Men and women used to wear clothing to
cover the face for weather reasons ( SAND), as majority of these countries were
Muslims states, they just look back on it and think its Islamic


Trust me I have done my Research its not Islamic

majority of Muslim don't know what there chatting about on this site
as they haven't done there research or been told

[mebabysham]

for a women to cover up is vital, but the face does not need to be covered up,,those who choose to do it, should not be asked to remove it. thats just redicolous. you say ppl dont read up on their religion why dont you grow a beard, thats wajib its compulsary and the greatest of sunnats. one which nabi can recognise you on the day of judgement. how about that. or have you not read upon that part yet.

im just curious.. why do muslim men gotta grow a beard? i never heard of this before..

[4u2nvqt]

Beard is Sunnat
Not FARAZ

translation means its not compulsory

in other words
if you grow a beard
do it properly
don't do it cos its in fashion or for style like goatee


lol

shows how much you know about deen.
first of all to smile is sunnat also.there are two types of sunnat one is mokida and geir mokida, one which is optional the other which is sunnat wajib compulsary. to have a beard is sunnat compulsary,, if you dont believe me as a mufti not your average imam, a MUFTI or a sheikh al hadees.
your just a joker and how dare you raise a topic like this. you contradicting fool

[jus_me]

oh, i believe him.. im not questioning the historical aspect (until someone proves it untrue)...

what i meant was, i think they dont know where it originated and they believe its for modesty/religious purposes. thats just how it seems.

with sikhi, isnt the turban a direct show of faith? like, ur not properly sikh unless u wear a pugh?
..and also, isnt that supposed to be a sign of equality amongst everyone because rich and poor alike grow their hair/wear a pugh? (am i right)?

yeah it kinda is..well not really, if youre religious, i.e. a proper sikh then you should wear all the 5 k's..one of which is kesh (the hair) which is covered by the turban so yeah it is religious in that respect.

i thought the hijaab was on the same level but sky is saying its only a cultural thing..i didnt know that.

i wouldnt know about the rich/poor thing, im not the best authority on sikhi :Oops:

[4u2nvqt]

im just curious.. why do muslim men gotta grow a beard? i never heard of this before..

first of all its a sunnat meaning what the prophet had, second it shows the beauty of a man, a man with a beard is like a lion in the jungle. a man who clean shaves looks like a little girly-whimp. back in the days all men had beards. to acctually answer this question ill have to open some books to get the real answer your looking for so bear with me,,

[sky_]

lol

shows how much you know about deen.
first of all to smile is sunnat also.there are two types of sunnat one is mokida and geir mokida, one which is optional the other which is sunnat wajib compulsary. to have a beard is sunnat compulsary,, if you dont believe me as a mufti not your average imam, a MUFTI or a sheikh al hadees.
your just a joker and how dare you raise a topic like this. you contradicting fool


ok ill make it Short
IB been appointed to reserch Viel
and from the dozen Religious Studies students mainly Muslim
this is some of the Info I have

Ill be honest with you
I dont have all the answer for the beard FACTS
as for what I know it is not Compulsory
as there are many Hajjis ( people who have gone to HAJJ )

don't keep beards

My dad has been about 8 or 9 times
even he doesn't have a beard

the topic is Viel
stick to it

[mebabysham]

first of all its a sunnat meaning what the prophet had, second it shows the beauty of a man, a man with a beard is like a lion in the jungle. a man who clean shaves looks like a little girly-whimp. back in the days all men had beards. to acctually answer this question ill have to open some books to get the real answer your looking for so bear with me,,

oh no problem, thanks for explaining stuff to me :)

[akuza]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1945/singingskyzr7.gif
GENIUS :lol:

[mebabysham]

yeah it kinda is..well not really, if youre religious, i.e. a proper sikh then you should wear all the 5 k's..one of which is kesh (the hair) which is covered by the turban so yeah it is religious in that respect.

i thought the hijaab was on the same level but sky is saying its only a cultural thing..i didnt know that.

i wouldnt know about the rich/poor thing, im not the best authority on sikhi :Oops:

its ok, u dont have to be an authority on it, if u dunno its fine.

..question: are the 5 K's compulsory for everyone or just Amritdhari?
also, if ur not amritdhari, do u still gotta keep ur kesh?

i also thought hijaab was on a level like that, but some muslims dont cover up and they're still considered muslims :dunno:

[sky_]

GENIUS :lol:

i was trying to so some harry potter shit

[sky_]

just like to add
Im not a good Muslim as
I don't read 5 times a day
and i don't know everything there is about the religion

all im doing is Research on the viel this it
nothing else


:D

[4u2nvqt]

ok ill make it Short
IB been appointed to reserch Viel
and from the dozen Religious Studies students mainly Muslim
this is some of the Info I have

Ill be honest with you
I dont have all the answer for the beard FACTS
as for what I know it is not Compulsory
as there are many Hajjis ( people who have gone to HAJJ )

don't keep beards

My dad has been about 8 or 9 times
even he doesn't have a beard

the topic is Viel
stick to it

let me make it even short,,
hajjis are those who to hajj, they are not ppl who give answers to deen questions,why do you look up to them when you have nabi or the sahaba to look up to. no wonder your like this. you rather ask a hajji then a mufti a question. you just unbeleiveble.

i think this topic is far mor eimportant then the one your discussing

[sky_]

let me make it even short,,
hajjis are those who to hajj, they are not ppl who give answers to deen questions,why do you look up to them when you have nabi or the sahaba to look up to. no wonder your like this. you rather ask a hajji then a mufti a question. you just unbeleiveble.

i think this topic is far mor eimportant then the one your discussing


OK I don't ask generall people
I'm not a good Muslim as i didn't want to bring this up
My 2 bro and one sis died
Younger than me

I have lost faith in Islam Not all
But i have questions in my own life that haven't been answered

I'm talking about a cloth that covers the face
and don't you dare ask me question about My bros and sis ( that goes for everyone else )

this topic is abut Viel
I don't give a fuk that I'm a bad Muslim


Now when i do a RESERCH on beards
I will PM you
HAPPY

[Waky]

now wen u say research...wat r ur sources????

[Waky]

Hijaab
was Borrowed from The christianity religion what Nuns wear
for modesty reason and it doesn't say anywhere is the Quran about
covering the face for Practicul reason and common sense



"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

Well... being Muslim... I'm totally against the veil Nikaab or Burka thingy...
I think it's very anti-social and also no one can identify you, as they can onlly see your eyes and God know's who's under that thing... it's dodgy... :|

It gives islam a bad name and makes us look stuck up... :mad:

Anyway I don't mind Hijaab at all, atleast you can see their face and identify them and still speak to them, instead of speaking to a set of eyes... :|

Anyway hat veil Nikaab thing is over the top, its just blah!

[sky_]

now wen u say research...wat r ur sources????

well i have this book
at work
http://www.wardahbooks.com/main/images/hijab.jpg


but mostly there are like a team of 12 people
there are like 3 molvies ( Muslim Priests )
4 women lectures
and some Religious studies student

I'm more interested in what the general public have to say

collect this information
and create something from it
like a report thing

[crystalgems2]

i dunno if many muslims would agree wit u there.. i think people feel that its a show of modesty.
me personally, i dont care for veiling. or anything that sets men and women apart. but thats just me, and im not a muslim.
no disrespect to anyone.
hijab or niqaab is not show of modesty instead it is display of arogance...
both r to be banned in west.....
they can wear it in their ethnic country of origin as they like....
niqaab is like a mobile CCTV (closed circuit tv)....niqaabis view us but we can't see their face...

[sky_]

Well... being Muslim... I'm totally against the veil Nikaab or Burka thingy...
I think it's very anti-social and also no one can identify you, as they can onlly see your eyes and God know's who's under that thing... it's kinda dodgy... :|
It gives islam a bad name and makes us look stuck up... :mad:
Anyway I don't mind Hijaab at all, atleast you can see their face and identify them and still speak to them, instead of speaking to a set of eyes... :|
Anyway hat veil Nikaab thing is over the top, its just blah!


Where was you 15 posts ago when i needed you most
lol

[4u2nvqt]

OK I don't ask generall people
I'm not a good Muslim as i didn't want to bring this up
My 2 bro and one sis died
Younger than me

I have lost faith in Islam Not all
But i have questions in my own life that haven't been answered

I'm talking about a cloth that covers the face
and don't you dare ask me question about My bros and sis ( that goes for everyone else )

this topic is abut Viel
I don't give a fuk that I'm a bad Muslim


Now when i do a RESERCH on beards
I will PM you
HAPPY


first of all who mentioned or said anything bad about your fam. why dont you ask a mufti about cloth on face. you asking people on rd. sooner or later your time will be up aswell. take heed in those who have left. ask allah for istikamat <= steadfastness in deen. no body is judging you. that aint no bodys right. so i apologise if im giving you them signals. but believe me dont mingle in these afffairs with those who have no knowledge in vails. for nabi encouraged the women of islam even did allah to hazrat mariam (as). jesus mother to those who are getting confused. vail is used so that the women dont get molested or teased in the streets, women aint toshow they asssets int he streets.
you go on as those these women want to remove it, they fear allah and want to please there lord. why do you guys have problem in that.

[sky_]

first of all who mentioned or said anything bad about your fam. why dont you ask a mufti about cloth on face. you asking people on rd. sooner or later your time will be up aswell. take heed in those who have left. ask allah for istikamat <= steadfastness in deen. no body is judging you. that aint no bodys right. so i apologise if im giving you them signals. but believe me dont mingle in these afffairs with those who have no knowledge in vails. for nabi encouraged the women of islam even did allah to hazrat mariam (as). jesus mother to those who are getting confused. vail is used so that the women dont get molested or teased in the streets, women aint toshow they asssets int he streets.
you go on as those these women want to remove it, they fear allah and want to please there lord. why do you guys have problem in that.


first of all dont worry abt it
its something i have to deal with

anyway

you do have your points


all im saying is this
from what iv been told by these respected people
that viel isn't Islamic

there is nothing wrong with the Hijaab
thats perfect

its the viel
that i have problems with
just looks Wrong

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

Where was you 15 posts ago when i needed you most
lol



Ahaha I was busy... watching Papadizi! :P

But yeah, it's so not right... makes muslims look anti-social and stuck up :ugh:

[mebabysham]

hijab or niqaab is not show of modesty instead it is display of arogance...
both r to be banned in west.....
they can wear it in their ethnic country of origin as they like....
niqaab is like a mobile CCTV (closed circuit tv)....niqaabis view us but we can't see their face...

banned in the west huh? why?

[sky_]

Ahaha I was busy... watching Papadizi! :P

But yeah, it's so not right... makes muslims look anti-social and stuck up :ugh:

and if your eatting ice cream in public
its a bit tricky

[4u2nvqt]

first of all dont worry abt it
its something i have to deal with

anyway

you do have your points


all im saying is this
from what iv been told by these respected people
that viel isn't Islamic

there is nothing wrong with the Hijaab
thats perfect

its the viel
that i have problems with
just looks Wrong

your not wearing it why do you have problems with it. i dont see why people having problems with it, i dislike some of the things other religions wear but i dont say anything nor do i upset them, as its their religion and i have to respect it, vail is like a little more protection for the women wether it be muslim or not does not mean it should be hated or banned. its there right to wear it.

[Waky]

first of all dont worry abt it
its something i have to deal with

anyway

you do have your points


all im saying is this
from what iv been told by these respected people
that viel isn't Islamic

there is nothing wrong with the Hijaab
thats perfect

its the viel
that i have problems with
just looks WrongYou did say in ur thread that it doesnt mention it anywhere in the quraan about weairin a hijaab an that it was taken from christian nuns as a sign of modesty...in my earlier post a showed u a passage from the quraan in reference to the hijaab and as the brother above pointed it out it does have a practical use...

going onto wat u said about being wrong....islam isnt jus a religion its also a way of life...u cant jus choose the parts u want to follow and those that dnt fit into ur present life...its like a recipe..u take out 1 ingredient and the product just isnt rite....

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

and if your eatting ice cream in public
its a bit tricky

Ahaha Yeah, I've seen them eat, I find it fascinating! :p

[4u2nvqt]

You did say in ur thread that it doesnt mention it anywhere in the quraan about weairin a hijaab an that it was taken from christian nuns as a sign of modesty...in my earlier post a showed u a passage from the quraan in reference to the hijaab and as the brother above pointed it out it does have a practical use...

going onto wat u said about being wrong....islam isnt jus a religion its also a way of life...u cant jus choose the parts u want to follow and those that dnt fit into ur present life...its like a recipe..u take out 1 ongredient and the product just isnt rite....


your absolutly right,, this is what happens when they is lack of deen when imaan is at its shallow, the practise and understanding of deen is like a horrible taste in the mouth,, the beauty of deen gets taken away from them. dont do what the christian did with the bible. and now they even have gay priests.

[sky_]

You did say in ur thread that it doesnt mention it anywhere in the quraan about weairin a hijaab an that it was taken from christian nuns as a sign of modesty...in my earlier post a showed u a passage from the quraan in reference to the hijaab and as the brother above pointed it out it does have a practical use...

going onto wat u said about being wrong....islam isnt jus a religion its also a way of life...u cant jus choose the parts u want to follow and those that dnt fit into ur present life...its like a recipe..u take out 1 ingredient and the product just isnt rite....


DUDE
I dont have a Problem with Hijaab, thats COOL

Nikaab is not Islamic its made up


big difference with hijaab and Nikaab

[Waky]

your absolutly right,, this is what happens when they is lack of deen when imaan is at its shallow, the practise and understanding of deen is like a horrible taste in the mouth,, the beauty of deen gets taken away from them. dont do what the christian did with the bible. and now they even have gay priests.
im not kid any1 an say that im a gud muslim an that i do no wrong, i pray 5 times a day nevertheless it doesnt give me the rite to insult our sisters the choose to wear the hijaab and nikaab by saying its wrong....

u wudnt get any1 sayin to a jewish man to take off his skullcap because its a sign f arrogance or a nun to take off her headgear or a priest to take of his robe or we could look at it in a different way u wouldnt ask a christian to take off his/her cross because theres no room in the western world or work place for religion...so why should it be any different for women who choose to wear the nikaab...??? :dunno:

[4u2nvqt]

DUDE
I dont have a Problem with Hijaab, thats COOL

Nikaab is not Islamic its made up


big difference with hijaab and Nikaab


so what if its made up as you put it. why do you have a problem with it.

[4u2nvqt]

im not kid any1 an say that im a gud muslim an that i do no wrong, i pray 5 times a day nevertheless it doesnt give me the rite to insult our sisters the choose to wear the hijaab and nikaab by saying its wrong....

u wudnt get any1 sayin to a jewish man to take off his skullcap because its a sign f arrogance or a nun to take off her headgear or a priest to take of his robe or we could look at it in a different way u wouldnt ask a christian to take off his/her cross because theres no room in the western world or work place for religion...so why should it be any different for women who choose to wear the nikaab...??? :dunno:


some ppl are so disrespectful and rather make a report on it. may allah forgive us all. the sad thing is a muslim making a report on it shoudl be banned. yet he has sig with him dancing in it and yet judging the womens vail. im so sick im outa hear.

[Waky]

DUDE
I dont have a Problem with Hijaab, thats COOL

Nikaab is not Islamic its made up


big difference with hijaab and Nikaab
yes i agree there is a difference...the hijab like a said before is a 'tool' to prevent our sisters against molestation but lets say the sister wants to take 1 step further by completely covering her face....it mayb made up it mayb not...but then again hu are we to say anything negative if she has put it on out of her own free will...

[J_xlnc786]

DUDE
I dont have a Problem with Hijaab, thats COOL

Nikaab is not Islamic its made up


big difference with hijaab and Nikaab
If something cultural has been adapted and formualted to enhance ones religion, what is wrong with that? if something has progressed onto a new stye or way of fulfillin ur deen and obligations as stated in the Quran'a Hakim, then who and what power are you to say against it? or ANYONE else in that matter?

[sky_]

http://www.submission.org/dress.html



interesting READ

[*sublime*]

As far as I am aware the nikaab is optional. I would definately condemn the ban if it also included the hijaab. Saying this... if we agree with this ban. then it makes me think what's next? Muslim men been targeted, now muslim women.. next it'l be muslim kids.. :no:

[khanbaba_]

http://www.submission.org/dress.html



interesting READ
L a w l z, stop using non-Muslim websites

[khanbaba_]

DUDE
I dont have a Problem with Hijaab, thats COOL

Nikaab is not Islamic its made up


big difference with hijaab and Nikaab
Did you also get that from that non-Muslim website?
btw nice sig

[Geezer]

Sky, the government IS NOT thinking about passing a law on it. That's absolute nonsense what you are talking about.

[khanbaba_]

its true Many Muslim wouldn't agree
for the simple reason
THEY DONT KNOW THERE OWN RELIGION
Cos they don't read up on it

they go by what the say or what they told
Never read up on it goes all against it
In Islam WOMEN AND MEN ARE EQUAL
and this Viel thing is goes all against islam
Yup I like your research that you do, such as visiting non-Islamic websites to get your answers, This was predicted by Prophet s.a.w, lay men will start giving fatwas in the name of so called research.

[khanbaba_]

SO that what the government is thinking of doing in the UK

Iv have been given the job to write and reserch Info from various people
For a TV show

in short
http://www.khrn.org/images/hijab.jpg

Hijaab
was Borrowed from The christianity religion what Nuns wear
for modesty reason and it doesn't say anywhere is the Quran about
covering the face for Practicul reason and common sense

The veil Nikaab or Burka

http://www.khrn.org/images/muslim.jpg

was originally invented By Royalty
as the women didn't wanna be seen by the poor or lower casts people
NEVER HAS THIS BEEN ISLAMIC never been in ISLAM
over the years these people slowly converted to Islam
and brought there costumes with them
and was slowly integrated by MAN into Islam
which is stupid mainly by men who felt insecure about there women

I personally feel fro the view that I have collected from 82 people this week
is that The Nikaab gives the wrong image of Islam
(for something that isn't even Islamic)
makes the religion seem backwards
and makes Muslims seem that they live in fear of people
looking at there women
which is crazy

i wanna know
what are your views on this

cos personally i asked a few people
would you send you child to a school
where all the teachers wore Masks and had only the holes for the eyes
cos personally I wouldn't NOWAY


I'm a Muslim
sky
x

I am not surprised this is coming from a marasi and a hijra. I dont know if anyone will take you serious lolz. Allah protect Islam from singers and marasis who are giving fatwas in the name of *research*.

[4u2nvqt]

I am not surprised this is coming from a marasi and a hijra. I dont know if anyone will take you serios lolz.



hahahaha,, your absolutely right,, i knew this would happen.

[khanbaba_]

hahahaha,, your absolutely right,, i knew this would happen.
Its better he should stick to his field that is singing and dancing. If he has any questions, he should go ask reliable scholars and not do his so called research from non-Muslms websites. Lawyers dont interfene with the business of Engineers and vice versa. I will advice him the same. Next time If he has a querstion about law, instead of going to a lawyer he should just open some Law book and do his own research. If he gets sick, just open up some medicine book instead of going to a dovctor. Why not do your own so called research instead of referring to the experts in that field.

[zaf_187]

listen bro your comfused

it is compulsery for women to wear a head scarf

the veil or nikab sarted in the time of the prophet - it was made for his wifes only.

it started because poeple (men) used to visit the prophets home like its a community centre and the prophets wives wore it so nobody saw there faces besides the prophet - it was practical at the time for his wifes

so women dont have to wear a nikab today but they have to wear a scarf - women wear the vail through their own choice because the prophets wives used to - not because it is compulsery.

[4u2nvqt]

Its better he should stick to his field that is singing and dancing. If he has any questions, he should go ask reliable scholars and not do his so called research from non-Muslms websites. Lawyers dont interfene with the business of Engineers and vice versa. I will advice him the same. Next time If he has a querstion about law, instead of going to a lawyer he should just open some Law book and do his own research. If he gets sick, just open up some medicine book instead of going to a dovctor. Why not do your own so called research instead of referring to the experts in that field.


thats ppl for you, with minimal imaan nor yakeen. they purpose aint to defend the burka more to open danerous paths to get rid of it. the same guy who assumes the to grow a beard is optional and to ask questions from hajjis, where the apptitie to inform the muftis and sheik al hadess has vanished. what more is left for a person. as you say a sig with him singning and dancing yet wants to right a report on the purpose of burka, what a complete idiot and sooner or later if he continues with his report some ones going to make him look like a right an idiot, if he is not thinking about it already.

[khanbaba_]

listen bro your comfused

it is compulsery for women to wear a head scarf

the veil or nikab sarted in the time of the prophet - it was made for his wifes only.

it started because poeple (men) used to visit the prophets home like its a community centre and the prophets wives wore it so nobody saw there faces besides the prophet - it was practical at the time for his wifes

so women dont have to wear a nikab today but they have to wear a scarf - women wear the vail through their own choice because the prophets wives used to - not because it is compulsery.
Hijab is for all over your body, you cant just wear a scarf with tight jeans. If you are wearing jeans then you have to wear something over them such as jilaab or burkah.
Why only for the wives of Prophet s.a.w? Islam is for every one and not just the wives of Prophet s.a.w. Infact people of our times need it more than those times. That was the best of times and wives of Prophet s.a.w were aomng the best of women. This is of the fitans and its needed more than anyother time.

[sky_]

L a w l z, stop using non-Muslim websites

Dude why doesn't it matter if its a Non Muslim Website
1 the reserch might be done by Muslims
2, Doesn't matter if its not Muslim Their Quotes on there
Check them out

3 The Jang Newspaper This week Had the same Quotes

But like I said before
most of you see one one thing
starts jumping up and down

I'm not going by these sites
I'm going What The People WHO are working on this by
Molvis, Religious Studies Students Etc

[Z4K5T4R]

OK I don't ask generall people
I'm not a good Muslim as i didn't want to bring this up
My 2 bro and one sis died
Younger than me

I have lost faith in Islam Not all
But i have questions in my own life that haven't been answered

I'm talking about a cloth that covers the face
and don't you dare ask me question about My bros and sis ( that goes for everyone else )

this topic is abut Viel
I don't give a fuk that I'm a bad Muslim


Now when i do a RESERCH on beards
I will PM you
HAPPYIve found out a completely different story to what you've written. When Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) passed away he asked his wives to cover their faces and never marry. As a results most Women of Islam followed this thinking that it is compulsory and carried on wearing this.

If a women has put her belief into wearing this veil and it hasn't caused such great harm in anyone physically, then i don't see why anyone has a right to put their views across to the public.

Watching the Islam channel i've noticed its converts that wear the veil alot - converts are the ones that do much more research into a religion than most other born Muslims.

Even if th emajority say it's unacceptable to wear the veil - what about the minority that want this to stay as it is? When MAJORITY of the public said not to go to War with Iraq did the Government hear the MAJORITY that were protesting to this? If we can't respect our minoritys in this community then next time we have a say in anything where we're the minority am sure we will be far from happy.

Most people that protest against the veil are uneducated (AM not talking about you, mnostly non-muslims. I think it's a weak point to have been brought up there are far more worse things to worry about than the veil!

[Z4K5T4R]

Well... being Muslim... I'm totally against the veil Nikaab or Burka thingy...
I think it's very anti-social and also no one can identify you, as they can onlly see your eyes and God know's who's under that thing... it's dodgy... :|

It gives islam a bad name and makes us look stuck up... :mad:

Anyway I don't mind Hijaab at all, atleast you can see their face and identify them and still speak to them, instead of speaking to a set of eyes... :|

Anyway hat veil Nikaab thing is over the top, its just blah!So you're saying to blend in more with the western world we should adapt our beliefs to fit into those who are non-believers because we otherwise just look ''stuck up'' by choosing what we wear? Most of these women that wear the veil don't think of it as a social matter more to do with religionj because even if most people say its not required in Islam they have put their belief into it.

[crystalgems2]

banned in the west huh? why?
why not? this is a sign of arrogance.....

[ThomasMcCabe]

So you're saying to blend in more with the western world we should adapt our beliefs to fit into those who are non-believers because we otherwise just look ''stuck up'' by choosing what we wear? No. Just like Muslims in KSA etc. expect non Muslims to stick to their (Islamic) dress code expect the non believers to ask for Muslims to stick to the non Muslim one.

Being Muslim does not grant one exclusivity. If the locals are finding it hard to accept outward signs of Islamic belief, then what can you do?

Intolerance mixed with disrespect (if you can call it that) is not the sole preserve of non Muslims.

P.S. Not flaming.

[crystalgems2]

Ive found out a completely different story to what you've written. When Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) passed away he asked his wives to cover their faces and never marry. As a results most Women of Islam followed this thinking that it is compulsory and carried on wearing this....

he married a lot of widows but he prevented his wives marrying others after his death...i dont understand the logic behind.


.....If a women has put her belief into wearing this veil and it hasn't caused such great harm in anyone physically, then i don't see why anyone has a right to put their views across to the public.....
if it is her belief, others beleive she is hiding her face for doing something wrong...


.....Watching the Islam channel i've noticed its converts that wear the veil alot - converts are the ones that do much more research into a religion than most other born Muslims.....
converts looking for publicity....many islamic countries banned niqaab/veil........what u say for this?
i guess u r proponent of Taliban style rule.

........
Even if th emajority say it's unacceptable to wear the veil - what about the minority that want this to stay as it is? When MAJORITY of the public said not to go to War with Iraq did the Government hear the MAJORITY that were protesting to this? If we can't respect our minoritys in this community then next time we have a say in anything where we're the minority am sure we will be far from happy.......
yes, majority of muslims protested.....all beareded guys on front....mainly are Pakis....sure, majority of citizens watched this muslim drama on streets.

........Most people that protest against the veil are uneducated (AM not talking about you, mnostly non-muslims. I think it's a weak point to have been brought up there are far more worse things to worry about than the veil!
yes, non muslims are not educated in madrassas..u r correct...
there r far more worse things to worry about for this veiled women and its proponents....

[desi_uk]

just as the gays have the right to be gay freely in the west or people in the west have the right to dress how they want with as much little clothes as possible

then muslim women have as much right to dress with the niqab in the west

people need to repect each other more and tollerate each other instead of denying the right as humans to dress accordingly as we want

you cant go through life avoiding issues and banning them willy nilly like that no one will have an identity and we are being controlled by the goverment like good little sheep are controlled by their farmer

[crystalgems2]

just as the gays have the right to be gay freely in the west or people in the west have the right to dress how they want with as much little clothes as possible

then muslim women have as much right to dress with the niqab in the west

people need to repect each other more and tollerate each other instead of denying the right as humans to dress accordingly as we want

you cant go through life avoiding issues and banning them willy nilly like that no one will have an identity and we are being controlled by the goverment like good little sheep are controlled by their farmer

this statement clearly shows arrogance is the driving force behind niqaabies but not the religious requirement. protest to remove niqaab is a kind of misusing democratic rights..
anyway, no educated ever wish to communicate with faceless persons (niqaabies)....this a kind of concealing identity probably with malicious agenda behind veil.

[nayeemx33]

Yes ban the nikaab.
Let the hijab stay.

[razr]

Beard is Sunnat
Not FARAZ

translation means its not compulsory

in other words
if you grow a beard
do it properly
don't do it cos its in fashion or for style like goatee

ok i know u sed you dnt know much bout this issue, just thought i'd tell ya, dat the beard is sunnat al wajib. farz is wat was COMMANDED by Allah in the quran (compulsory).....while sunnat al wajib was COMMANDED by the prophet which is also compulsory. there is no difference between farz n wajib in actions.



one thing i dnt get, i mean the west says muslim women r getting oppressed by the nikab/burka but yet they are also telling em wat to wear and wat u cant wear.....freedom of expression eh;)

[crystalgems2]

No. Just like Muslims in KSA etc. expect non Muslims to stick to their (Islamic) dress code expect the non believers to ask for Muslims to stick to the non Muslim one.

Being Muslim does not grant one exclusivity. If the locals are finding it hard to accept outward signs of Islamic belief, then what can you do?

Intolerance mixed with disrespect (if you can call it that) is not the sole preserve of non Muslims.

P.S. Not flaming.
woooow......saudi another story......women are not counted as humans over there ;)

[urbannomad23]

u should ban neither, if you do that then you should ban ppl who were hoodies or hats....and yet ppl say this poses a threat on the country....how so?

im not trying to be discriminatory, but why don't they do a ban on the sikhs who wear the dagger in their turbans or on their waists? its a religious belief of theirs is it not? would you want to deny them the privelage of practicing their faith? whats the difference? carrying a sharp object is more dangerous and harmful then wearing a scarf thats purpose is to protect a womans beauty.....the world these days...

oh and btw, im not hating on the sikhs or the muslims.

[MissAdore]

first of all dont worry abt it
its something i have to deal with

anyway

you do have your points


all im saying is this
from what iv been told by these respected people
that viel isn't Islamic

there is nothing wrong with the Hijaab
thats perfect

its the viel
that i have problems with
just looks Wrong
Why do you have a problem with it? You're not the one wearing it :rolleyes:

[sky_]

Why do you have a problem with it? You're not the one wearing it :rolleyes:


cos it gives some wierd ass backward image
thats why

[desi_uk]

this statement clearly shows arrogance is the driving force behind niqaabies but not the religious requirement. protest to remove niqaab is a kind of misusing democratic rights..
anyway, no educated ever wish to communicate with faceless persons (niqaabies)....this a kind of concealing identity probably with malicious agenda behind veil.
Its a right for them as a human being to wear the veil when they want.

They are not hurting anyone by wearing the veil they want to wear the veil because it symbolises their devotion to god just like nuns wear a hijab and tend to stay unmarried, same principal.

However the trend of women wearing veils is very low in the western world and even in the Islamic world. Its not an obligation that they must wear it as long as people dress modestly. Women tend to wear it to get closer to god and it helps them to stay focused.

However in Islam it does say that if by wearing the veil could jepordise youre safety then it is ok not to wear it coz personal safety come 1st.
But its entirely up to the person they have th freedom to wear a veil if they please and no person has the right to tell them to take it off.

[MissAdore]

cos it gives some wierd ass backward image
thats why
And wearing the hijab and burqa doesn't? :rolleyes:

[desi_uk]

cos it gives some wierd ass backward image
thats why
thats just other peoples iggnorance they should learn to accept as people are not try to mould them and shape them into how they want them to be

[Cunard]

better education for muslims and muslim women in particular is the better option

from what i can tell there is no mandate in Islam to cover there face in such an extreame fashion...and in this day and age such a style of dress where one can only see ones eyes (if lucky) it really does set up a barrier for communication between different people

even though sikh men with turbans and beards look more like the Taliban, Bin Laden and radical islam....you dont see people telling sikhs to take there turbans off or to shave there beards and confort to the english style of dress....one of the main reasons is because one can still see the face of a sikh man...see his facial expressions thus people are not as caught of gaurd then somone who his covered heard to toe in a sheet

my old man travels quite a bit overseas...other then a mishap on september 11 2001......he has no real complaints and finds that people greet him warming when he checks into hotels or whatnot

Tony Blair and Jack Straw have brought up a very valid point in the UK and hopefully people will see inbetween the lines of some of the radicals in the UK who are hell bent in spreading radical islam and whatnot....the fact that some of these radicals are allowed to preech and even have a voice testifies to the freedoms granted in the UK where even the top politicians are flamed for nothing but suggestions or ideas :idea:

[sky_]

And wearing the hijab and burqa doesn't? :rolleyes:


dint have a problem with Hijaab
i see that as Islamic
Burka covers face and so does Nikaab
just like Klu Klux Clan
or however you spell it

[Cunard]

u should ban neither, if you do that then you should ban ppl who were hoodies or hats....and yet ppl say this poses a threat on the country....how so?

im not trying to be discriminatory, but why don't they do a ban on the sikhs who wear the dagger in their turbans or on their waists? its a religious belief of theirs is it not? would you want to deny them the privelage of practicing their faith? whats the difference? carrying a sharp object is more dangerous and harmful then wearing a scarf thats purpose is to protect a womans beauty.....the world these days...

oh and btw, im not hating on the sikhs or the muslims.

perhaps because there is no incident of sikh stabbing someone with a kirpan while there are numerous examples of muslim women hiding bombs and commiting terrorism and killing hundreds in the past 5 years in Europe while at the same time the veil is somthing that is practiced by most radical/extreamist muslims who live in the west...i sure in hell havnt seen a moderate muslim with sane views wearing a veil that coveres everything except her eyes

[MissAdore]

dint have a problem with Hijaab
i see that as Islamic
Burka covers face and so does Nikaab
just like Klu Klux Clan
or however you spell it
Hijab makes women seem just as backwards as the ones who wear the niqaab. I still don't understand why it bothers you.

Leave. the. women. alone.

[sky_]

Hijab makes women seem just as backwards as the ones who wear the niqaab. I still don't understand why it bothers you.

Leave. the. women. alone.

Hijaab Is following the Islamic rules
look on that link on first page
and also read up on it

Nikaab covers Face and is not in the Islamic rules to walk around sheet
over your head, does that even sound OR look normal to you?

[Mz_exotic]

Its better he should stick to his field that is singing and dancing. If he has any questions, he should go ask reliable scholars and not do his so called research from non-Muslms websites. Lawyers dont interfene with the business of Engineers and vice versa. I will advice him the same. Next time If he has a querstion about law, instead of going to a lawyer he should just open some Law book and do his own research. If he gets sick, just open up some medicine book instead of going to a dovctor. Why not do your own so called research instead of referring to the experts in that field.


ur really quite arrogant in your responses to everything on islamic topics, whilst you have every right to add your opinion in such "debates" there is no need for you to talk down to people and assume you know it all....you have posted in certain threads stuff that im sure is not smiled upon in islam so your far from perfect yourself everyones faith is personal and they have the right to research it and have questions.

[MissAdore]

Hijaab Is following the Islamic rules
look on that link on first page
and also read up on it

Nikaab covers Face and is not in the Islamic rules to walk around sheet
over your head, does that even sound OR look normal to you?
Look, if I cared, I'd give you my opinion in the first post that I made in this thread. I'm just wondering why it bothers you.

But now that you've asked for it.. yes, a niqaab does look normal to me. What's the problem with a female covering up her face? It's her choice, so let her be. I don't see you guys protesting when a females breasts are clearly visible in her skimpy little outfit, but when she covers her face you make a big deal, innit?

[The Anti Desi]

Submission.org has horrible Arabic translations.

[desi_uk]

perhaps because there is no incident of sikh stabbing someone with a kirpan while there are numerous examples of muslim women hiding bombs and commiting terrorism and killing hundreds in the past 5 years in Europe while at the same time the veil is somthing that is practiced by most radical/extreamist muslims who live in the west...i sure in hell havnt seen a moderate muslim with sane views wearing a veil that coveres everything except her eyes
you mean the chechans

thats a different kettle of fish they were pushed and pushed hard

and i know many muslim women with full niqaab that wont hurt a fly

people have too many misconceptions of things they dont understand or dont give a chance to understand

[sky_]

Look, if I cared, I'd give you my opinion in the first post that I made in this thread. I'm just wondering why it bothers you.

But now that you've asked for it.. yes, a niqaab does look normal to me. What's the problem with a female covering up her face? It's her choice, so let her be. I don't see you guys protesting when a females breasts are clearly visible in her skimpy little outfit, but when she covers her face you make a big deal, innit?


ok I dont think you read this thread
Im not making a TV program on Mini Skirts or Breasts

Its on Nikaab

understand
:think:

[MissAdore]

ok I dont think you read this thread
Im not making a TV program on Mini Skirts or Breasts

Its on Nikaab

understand
:think:
I asked why it bothers you and your reason was weak :rolleyes:

[Cunard]

you mean the chechans

thats a different kettle of fish they were pushed and pushed hard

and i know many muslim women with full niqaab that wont hurt a fly

people have too many misconceptions of things they dont understand or dont give a chance to understand

those women attacked western europe......hundreds died in Moscow and the the multiple charter airliners they blew out of the sky

but thats only the tip of the iceberg....when u see hardline muslims protesting....the first visible thing is women covered head to toe in a black blanket....with perhaps only there eyes visible

like it or not....its not Islamic....but hardline islamic folks have made it the symbol of radical islam

[sky_]

I asked why it bothers you and your reason was weak :rolleyes:


ok Once again Nikaab isnt an islamic costume
2nd women who wear it say it makes them feel comfortable
when they go out

I say these people need help
they need to see some specialist is there is a bigger problem here

your questions are based on what you have been told
and not based on any research

[KaShMiRi_ThUg]

Personally each to their own, i know some women who DO wanna wear the niqaab/veil, so that their business, not everyones forced to wear one.

But islamically its not something they have to do, its a culture thing adapted thru the times, i dont see why it should be banned, but if it needs to be removed during an exam or for the purposes of security measures, then they should comply, certain muslims shouldnt kick up a bigg ass fuss about it, cuz it really aint a big deal!

[MissAdore]

ok Once again Nikaab isnt an islamic costume
2nd women who wear it say it makes them feel comfortable
when they go out

I say these people need help
they need to see some specialist is there is a bigger problem here

your questions are based on what you have been told
and not based on any research
The only question I'm asking is why this matter bothers you so much, since you're not the one wearing it.

I don't care if the niqab is Islamic or not.
2nd if women feel uncomfy wearing it, then I don't know why they're wearing it

[crystalgems2]

Its a right for them as a human being to wear the veil when they want.

They are not hurting anyone by wearing the veil they want to wear the veil because it symbolises their devotion to god just like nuns wear a hijab and tend to stay unmarried, same principal.

However the trend of women wearing veils is very low in the western world and even in the Islamic world. Its not an obligation that they must wear it as long as people dress modestly. Women tend to wear it to get closer to god and it helps them to stay focused.

However in Islam it does say that if by wearing the veil could jepordise youre safety then it is ok not to wear it coz personal safety come 1st.
But its entirely up to the person they have th freedom to wear a veil if they please and no person has the right to tell them to take it off.

Also it is human dignity to show the face instead to hide...usually ppl who do sinful or illegal acts hide face from others in public...
dressing modestly is what every decent ppl wants....in UK niqaab used as a sign of arrogance....but beleive me, it wouldn't last long.
government has the right to tell them to takeoff niqaab...

[crystalgems2]

those women attacked western europe......hundreds died in Moscow and the the multiple charter airliners they blew out of the sky

but thats only the tip of the iceberg....when u see hardline muslims protesting....the first visible thing is women covered head to toe in a black blanket....with perhaps only there eyes visible

like it or not....its not Islamic....but hardline islamic folks have made it the symbol of radical islam
exactly......also symbol of arrogance

[desidancer]

Beard is Sunnat
Not FARAZ

translation means its not compulsory

in other words
if you grow a beard
do it properly
don't do it cos its in fashion or for style like goatee

beard is farz
one fist beard is sunnah
where did u get ur info?
n i agree wit the last sentence

[Fallen-Angel]

I agree with what Sky's saying, totally, people forget that its not obligotory unlike the hijab and just enforce it.
If you're living in the UK for example, and you wear the viel you gotto be prepared that you will be looked at suspiciously, your choices of jobs will be limited, and remember that you dont have to cover your face.
Women who wear it and complain about society treating them differently need to wake up, if they really wanna be in a society which will let them teach or whatever n where ppl wont look at them suspiciously then go back to an Islamic country.

HOWEVER, saying that if they choose to wear it and are happy with things then the government has no right to tell them what they can and cannot wear, if they feel that it will be a security rsk well theirs ways about it i.e at airpors they have female security to check vieled women etc, we live in a democracy (well thats what they bang on about) so yes they should debate the issue but they shouldnt talk about banning it.

[london_guy]

I think the underlying issue here is people's freedom and the right to do what they want. If you are living in a democracy then surely you have a right to cover your face or not. Even if it wasn't allowed in Islam to wear the Nikaab then fine however, if those women feel that they want to wear it then they should without prejudice or without fear. I feel that the government has far too much free time on their hands and have now started the 'Veil' issue which in my opinion is totally pointless.

I'm intrigued by your idea sky where you say that Hijab is not fard. I'm not disputing the fact but I would certainly like to see some evidence of this as if it wasn't fard then why do so many women wear this? I know several sisters who lived a very 'western' life, found Islam and decided to wear hijab. Surely these women who are highly educated must have carried out some research which told them that Hijab is obligatory, I'd be very interested to look at the proof on this.

Anyway, good luck with the article and please let us know how you get on.

:)

[sky_]

desidancer

Beard is NOT Farz
some of you seem to think it is, I don't Know if its a Sunni or A shia thing) Im Sunni

If your beard is growing and you just have a busy life
and cant shave all the time fine
but once it gets to the point that you can hold it in a fist
then you really cant shave it off
It is not Farz But Sunat
but to be honest Im not interested in that part or even Care at this moment
intime.. Like i said thats not what the TV. Program will be about


the Last 2 Post where very Interesting

Fallen-Angel
I like reading what you wrote
It was very intelligent what you had to say
thanks
x


to

LondonGUY
Brov I never said Hijaab wasn't Farz
Practising Muslim women Should wear it
There is Nothing wrong With Hijab
Its very Sensible And practical

[Zuls]

SO that what the government is thinking of doing in the UK

Iv have been given the job to write and reserch Info from various people
For a TV show

in short
http://www.khrn.org/images/hijab.jpg

Hijaab
was Borrowed from The christianity religion what Nuns wear
for modesty reason and it doesn't say anywhere is the Quran about
covering the face for Practicul reason and common sense

The veil Nikaab or Burka

http://www.khrn.org/images/muslim.jpg

was originally invented By Royalty
as the women didn't wanna be seen by the poor or lower casts people
NEVER HAS THIS BEEN ISLAMIC never been in ISLAM
over the years these people slowly converted to Islam
and brought there costumes with them
and was slowly integrated by MAN into Islam
which is stupid mainly by men who felt insecure about there women

I personally feel fro the view that I have collected from 82 people this week
is that The Nikaab gives the wrong image of Islam
(for something that isn't even Islamic)
makes the religion seem backwards
and makes Muslims seem that they live in fear of people
looking at there women
which is crazy

i wanna know
what are your views on this

cos personally i asked a few people
would you send you child to a school
where all the teachers wore Masks and had only the holes for the eyes
cos personally I wouldn't NOWAY


I'm a Muslim
sky
x

http://www.submission.org/dress.html

Never i seen such a low grade thread abut Nikab or Burka...u shuld hav come with some good excuse or valid reason...and if u wana talk in light of Quran...can u see any where in Quran that Alcohal is ban...but u knw and i knw it is haram and ban...

2nd ur excuse abut covering the face...well Niqab or Burqa started in early stages of Islam in Medina and in life of Prophet (PBUH) and i never heard abut no Western Royalty converted to Islam that time...so thats not true...infact loads of Westren tradetions abut covering the face are taken frm Islam when Muslim ruled the Spain and srounding areas.

And ur last issue abut u sending ur kids to schools where all teachers covering faces frm head to toe with two holes infront of eyes. Wel...I'm not in favour of teachers covering there faces in Classes as well...but the way u putting the picture infront of every1...my answer is that i rather send my kids to school with teachers wearing Nikab other then schools kids carying Knifes and selling drugs in campus and sum1 entering the campus with Gun and killing half dozen kids with sum female teacher with whom he had broken relation.

If you are Muslim...which as you said you are...start looking at positive sides other then negative sides....as u can find 10 positives in every religion for each negative u point out...and me not only saying this abut Islam...me saying abut every single religion in this world....they just can't be all bad or all gud...thats why they r religions...u just need to broad ur mind to look at wider picture other then looking at small issues like sum1 wearing Nikab on street.

[aznpdaddy]

mate heres a few things i learnt about your so called ''report thread''

1. your using your own personal OPINION...as a reflective response critique.

2. you really shudnt bother looking at all these non-muslim, and even so called muslim sites, as it really is confusing you.

3. you need to get the real truth from invidiuals of knowledge, as no matter if you read 10,000 books you may come accoss a majority opinion, BUT where does the original seed span from????? i.e. the recent crash of the small plane in the US..anyone you asked wathing tv within the first 5 mins would tell you ''oh its definately a terrorist''.

4. most books are based on OPINION over fact. to authenticate it you need to look at the chain of narration.

5. you say you are muslim, then you really must be stupid if you cant get extracts from actual hadiths rather then online pages that look like my lil niece cudv made, its worse then a 1st grade homepage. if not ill point you in the right direction their called the SAHIH HADITH.

6. i think the guy that said that if gays have a personal freedom then, hes spot on...to argue cases with people of very few knowledge is easyest done with their own iq!!!!

7. IF PEOPLE SAY ARE MUSLIMS THEN SHOULD ALSO KNOW THAT, QURAN IS THE MAIN SOURCE OF SHARIAH, BUT IT IS ALSO COMTEMPLATED TO FOLLOW ALONGSIDE THE HADITH....if your not sure what they are then you need to read one of your non-muslim sites ...even they can even sum it up for you!

some part of the quran doesnt deal with everthing directly. but it is later done with HADITH, or though ijthadh (consensus) of prominent scholars...not fake sheikhs who make lame articles and earn a cheap dollar..

my recomendation to you is email someone like dr zakir naik...and dont post on lame sites like askimam.com lol cos it will leave you still in the dark.

whether you are a sunni or a shia, NEVER take the p*ss of someone who has a reason be it legitimate or not islamically, as then you are dissing your own religion....unless you are a mujtahid.....

finally, am sorry to hear about your family mate...my deepest respect... maybe thats why your at a war with your own opinion. may allah grant you the knowledge.

FINALLY, all those morons that say its a breach or sign of arrogance to wear something...then you really are muppets...

cos even jews dont diss another jew that doesnt wear a cap or not, its called mutual respect.....

UK is based on multi culturalism... and until jack straw started plucking straws ...no1 had a problem.....

sometimes even michael jackos exist in the muslim comunity, sort it out before you blurt it out!!!

with regards

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in saudi Arabia Mecca
when people who do Hajj
The women that is
Are not allowed to wear Nikaab
but Hijaab is a must
The nikaab is not allowed because
for simple reason when the thousands of people dressed the same
how would you know who is your wife or mum sister, daughter etc etc
what if you grabbed someone hand thinking it was mum, wife etc


Nikaab is not allowed there