Pleasure Marriages in Sunni and Shi'ite Islam

[fratty]

]
For over a decade, the phenomenon of marriage without commitment, called misyar marriage, has been spreading throughout the Sunni Muslim world, particularly in Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf countries. [1] In such marriages, the woman relinquishes some of the rights that Islam grants her, such as the right to a home and to financial support from her husband, and, if he has other wives, the right to an equal part of his time and attention. In most cases, these marriages are secret, without the knowledge of the man's other wives - even though a marriage contract is drawn up in the presence of witnesses, and although consent is commonly obtained from the woman's guardian, and the marriage is registered and documented at the courthouse. Demand is high for misyar marriages on online matchmaking sites, as well as through services using text messages and email. [2]

Due to the substantial increase in the number of misyar marriages in recent years, and in light of the arguments over this issue among clerics as well as among the public, the Institute of Islamic Religious Law, which is a part of the Muslim World League in Mecca, decided to address the matter.

In a fatwa issued on April 10, 2006, the institute permitted marriages in which "the woman relinquishes a home, financial support, and her part [in joint life] with her husband, or part of it, and consents to the man's coming to her home whenever he wants, day or night."

The fatwa also permitted marriages known as "friend" marriages, in which "the girl remains at her family's home and she and the man meet any time they want, either at her home or anywhere else, as they have no [joint] home and livelihood." [3] Such marriages are aimed primarily at meeting the needs of young Muslims in the West, who are influenced by male-female relations around them but who want their relationships to have religious legitimacy.

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[WildWolfdog]

yeah, i find it to be pretty stupid, these marraiges. they're meant to be for something else, but are being used for sexual pleasures basically, or so it seems. i don't know enough about the understanding behind this rule (when it was first created), what it's purpose is and so on to be able to comment.

[ghetto_blazin]

]
For over a decade, the phenomenon of marriage without commitment, called misyar marriage, has been spreading throughout the Sunni Muslim world, particularly in Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf countries. [1] In such marriages, the woman relinquishes some of the rights that Islam grants her, such as the right to a home and to financial support from her husband, and, if he has other wives, the right to an equal part of his time and attention. In most cases, these marriages are secret, without the knowledge of the man's other wives - even though a marriage contract is drawn up in the presence of witnesses, and although consent is commonly obtained from the woman's guardian, and the marriage is registered and documented at the courthouse. Demand is high for misyar marriages on online matchmaking sites, as well as through services using text messages and email. [2]

Due to the substantial increase in the number of misyar marriages in recent years, and in light of the arguments over this issue among clerics as well as among the public, the Institute of Islamic Religious Law, which is a part of the Muslim World League in Mecca, decided to address the matter.

In a fatwa issued on April 10, 2006, the institute permitted marriages in which "the woman relinquishes a home, financial support, and her part [in joint life] with her husband, or part of it, and consents to the man's coming to her home whenever he wants, day or night."

The fatwa also permitted marriages known as "friend" marriages, in which "the girl remains at her family's home and she and the man meet any time they want, either at her home or anywhere else, as they have no [joint] home and livelihood." [3] Such marriages are aimed primarily at meeting the needs of young Muslims in the West, who are influenced by male-female relations around them but who want their relationships to have religious legitimacy.

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Y DO U START A THREAD WD SMINK DAZ AGAINST ISLAM, U CAN HATE IT WD YOU MOUTH SHUT ASWELL MATE, GO GET A LIFE

[Aurovon]

Y DO U START A THREAD WD SMINK DAZ AGAINST ISLAM, U CAN HATE IT WD YOU MOUTH SHUT ASWELL MATE, GO GET A LIFE

well said

[fratty]

Is it against Islam? Or the a barbaric custom? I am not really against this. But its prostitution just by another name.

[ORaNGe dAsY]

Y DO U START A THREAD WD SMINK DAZ AGAINST ISLAM, U CAN HATE IT WD YOU MOUTH SHUT ASWELL MATE, GO GET A LIFE
holy monkey.

[Swe3tGurlJazmine]

My urge to convert to Islam is rising.

[WildWolfdog]

well said

:rofl:

[ghetto_blazin]

Is it against Islam? Or the a barbaric custom? I am not really against this. But its prostitution just by another name.
mate i dunu who ur? hinddu or christian bu if u iz hinddu , dint u red dat lil gowjus indian gul married to that street dog? wtz dat mate? atleaset v aint got nufin to deal wd dogs to get rid of curse

trus me u need to do smink else or grow that beared a bit mo n go sit in temple wd orange sheet on ya

[fratty]

mate i dunu who ur? hinddu or christian bu if u iz hinddu , dint u red dat lil gowjus indian gul married to that street dog? wtz dat mate? atleaset v aint got nufin to deal wd dogs to get rid of curse

trus me u need to do smink else or grow that beared a bit mo n go sit in temple wd orange sheet on ya


haha you are the most ignorant piece of shit I have ever met. Stop acting like such a ******. I understood not one word you wrote. Hindddu? Gowjus?
Did you not hear of the Somali Muslim who was forced to marrying a goat?

[ghetto_blazin]

haha you are the most ignorant piece of shit I have ever met. Stop acting like such a ******. I understood not one word you wrote. Hindddu? Gowjus?
Did you not hear of the Somali Muslim who was forced to marrying a goat?

no i dint mate? show me?

[fratty]

My urge to convert to Islam is rising.

Thats debatable. Christianity seems to be on an upswing just as much as Islam does.

[fratty]

no i dint mate? show me?

There you go. Sorry he was Sudanese. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4748292.stm

[.AK.]

There you go. Sorry he was Sudanese. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4748292.stm
just to clear things up
he didnt actually MARRY the goat
they just sold him the goat for 50$ and made it sound as a dowry just to make fun of him

[MolviCorleone]

another day another post by fratty on islam. Seriously man, you're obsessed.

[desi_chickan]

]
For over a decade, the phenomenon of marriage without commitment, called misyar marriage, has been spreading throughout the Sunni Muslim world, particularly in Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf countries. [1] In such marriages, the woman relinquishes some of the rights that Islam grants her, such as the right to a home and to financial support from her husband, and, if he has other wives, the right to an equal part of his time and attention. In most cases, these marriages are secret, without the knowledge of the man's other wives - even though a marriage contract is drawn up in the presence of witnesses, and although consent is commonly obtained from the woman's guardian, and the marriage is registered and documented at the courthouse. Demand is high for misyar marriages on online matchmaking sites, as well as through services using text messages and email. [2]

Due to the substantial increase in the number of misyar marriages in recent years, and in light of the arguments over this issue among clerics as well as among the public, the Institute of Islamic Religious Law, which is a part of the Muslim World League in Mecca, decided to address the matter.

In a fatwa issued on April 10, 2006, the institute permitted marriages in which "the woman relinquishes a home, financial support, and her part [in joint life] with her husband, or part of it, and consents to the man's coming to her home whenever he wants, day or night."

The fatwa also permitted marriages known as "friend" marriages, in which "the girl remains at her family's home and she and the man meet any time they want, either at her home or anywhere else, as they have no [joint] home and livelihood." [3] Such marriages are aimed primarily at meeting the needs of young Muslims in the West, who are influenced by male-female relations around them but who want their relationships to have religious legitimacy.

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so you stumbled upon some information, what better then to misconstrue it and highlight any negativity you could pull out!...

:think:

[donmega]

yeah, i find it to be pretty stupid, these marraiges. they're meant to be for something else, but are being used for sexual pleasures basically, or so it seems. i don't know enough about the understanding behind this rule (when it was first created), what it's purpose is and so on to be able to comment.

i think hes talking about mutah, temporary contracted marriages" they are forbidden in islam and are only still in practice by shias. They are explicitly forbidden.

[desi_chickan]

he starts with this!


Nikah Misyar or "travellers' marriage" (Arabic: نكاح المسيار can be described as a legal framework of marriage in which a Muslim couple is united by the bonds of marriage, based on the usual Islamic marriage contract, but without the husband having to take the usual financial commitments with respect to his wife.

[fratty]

Yeah, because Islam has become a destablizing factor in the world. Islam and its followers are involved in everything. I just wish we could put a wall around the muslim world and let them solve their own god damn problems instead of blaming Jews, the US, the West, UN, India, China, or the goddamn Crusades. Nothing good is coming out of the Middle East. Arabs I think are just barbaric. They have contributed little to society as a whole. But as long as those petro-dollars keep coming in all is good. I can't wait till the world moves off oil or doesn't have to deal with Middle Eastern countries. I mean if you think the Middle East is pathetic now just wait till the world doesn't need oil. So much poverty and instead of trying to modernize they will just become more religious and bruttish.

[desi_chickan]

and then fratty moves on to his main point .. to incite and hatred!

[Swe3tGurlJazmine]

Yeah, because Islam has become a destablizing factor in the world. Islam and its followers are involved in everything. I just wish we could put a wall around the muslim world and let them solve their own god damn problems instead of blaming Jews, the US, the West, UN, India, China, or the goddamn Crusades. Nothing good is coming out of the Middle East. Arabs I think are just barbaric. They have contributed little to society as a whole. But as long as those petro-dollars keep coming in all is good. I can't wait till the world moves off oil or doesn't have to deal with Middle Eastern countries. I mean if you think the Middle East is pathetic now just wait till the world doesn't need oil. So much poverty and instead of trying to modernize they will just become more religious and bruttish.

Yes!

And do you know what those bloody bastards did? They used numbers that Indians made, and called them Arabic numerals. How screwed up!

[.AK.]

Yeah, because Islam has become a destablizing factor in the world. Islam and its followers are involved in everything. I just wish we could put a wall around the muslim world and let them solve their own god damn problems instead of blaming Jews, the US, the West, UN, India, China, or the goddamn Crusades. Nothing good is coming out of the Middle East. Arabs I think are just barbaric. They have contributed little to society as a whole. But as long as those petro-dollars keep coming in all is good. I can't wait till the world moves off oil or doesn't have to deal with Middle Eastern countries. I mean if you think the Middle East is pathetic now just wait till the world doesn't need oil. So much poverty and instead of trying to modernize they will just become more religious and bruttish.
LMAOOOOO
so modern math
and more then half of astrology
and the factor that pulled europe out of dark ages
came out of its ass?
stfu noob

[Spiky]

Lets all take a chill pill and http://smiliesftw.com/x/grouphug.gif

[w1ld]

Is it against Islam? Or the a barbaric custom? I am not really against this. But its prostitution just by another name.
A marriage like this existed but its practice was abolished by Omar, the second caliphate.

[donmega]

Yes!

And do you know what those bloody bastards did? They used numbers that Indians made, and called them Arabic numerals. How screwed up!

how devious!!!!! im with you on this one. Those sand ******s must be stopped!!!!

[mr ajnabi]

Yeah, because Islam has become a destablizing factor in the world. Islam and its followers are involved in everything. I just wish we could put a wall around the muslim world and let them solve their own god damn problems instead of blaming Jews, the US, the West, UN, India, China, or the goddamn Crusades. Nothing good is coming out of the Middle East. Arabs I think are just barbaric. They have contributed little to society as a whole. But as long as those petro-dollars keep coming in all is good. I can't wait till the world moves off oil or doesn't have to deal with Middle Eastern countries. I mean if you think the Middle East is pathetic now just wait till the world doesn't need oil. So much poverty and instead of trying to modernize they will just become more religious and bruttish.

Lol no offence fratty but refering to your picture you look you are in a deep sleep .

You need to snap out ! and really see who the true muslims are .

[Swe3tGurlJazmine]

LMAOOOOO
so modern math
and more then half of astrology
and the factor that pulled europe out of dark ages
came out of its ass?
stfu noob

Indeed, they have done good things.

But please show me some positive Arab contributions to the modern world?

I can name two.

Oil and Nancy Arjam.

Should I even try to list all the negative ones? What's the text limit for one post?

[fratty]

so you stumbled upon some information, what better then to misconstrue it and highlight any negativity you could pull out!...

:think:

How did miscontrue it? I just posted an interesting article. I wrote no comments or anything. Its up for debate.

[w1ld]

Yes!

And do you know what those bloody bastards did? They used numbers that Indians made, and called them Arabic numerals. How screwed up!
What a moron!

[Spiky]

LMAOOOOO
so modern math
and more then half of astrology
and the factor that pulled europe out of dark ages
came out of its ass?
stfu noob


Seriously though.....I agree with him on this one...Arab/Middle East has had NO contribution whatso ever in 20th century. The contributions frm Islam during dark ages what you speak of

1) Are pointless...you cannot stick to 800 yrs old glory :ugh:
2) Borrowed Ideas...Frm all scholars frm all over the world.

They were busy fighting and shit and still are....

Dont get pissed off blindly. Take a deep breath and think and u will realise. Its not a blind hate but obvious truth. Middle East has offered nothing to Science or any invention in 20 th century.

[Swe3tGurlJazmine]

What a moron!

You think Im wrong?

Arabic numerals came from India.

[MolviCorleone]

so you stumbled upon some information, what better then to misconstrue it and highlight any negativity you could pull out!...

:think:

He probably jacked off when he found this thread.

[fratty]

Lol no offence fratty but refering to your picture you look you are in a deep sleep .

You need to snap out ! and really see who the true muslims are .

True muslims attack innocent civilians. True muslims call for the destruction of the West and other non-muslim societies. True muslims have no desire to see freedom of religious expression, free speech, free press, and any decent human rights. True muslims are the reason the world is the way it is.

[desi_chickan]

Is it against Islam? Or the a barbaric custom? I am not really against this. But its prostitution just by another name.

...if this is not miscontruing then tell me what is? :sarb:

[Octane]

]
For over a decade, the phenomenon of marriage without commitment, called misyar marriage, has been spreading throughout the Sunni Muslim world, particularly in Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf countries. [1] In such marriages, the woman relinquishes some of the rights that Islam grants her, such as the right to a home and to financial support from her husband, and, if he has other wives, the right to an equal part of his time and attention. In most cases, these marriages are secret, without the knowledge of the man's other wives - even though a marriage contract is drawn up in the presence of witnesses, and although consent is commonly obtained from the woman's guardian, and the marriage is registered and documented at the courthouse. Demand is high for misyar marriages on online matchmaking sites, as well as through services using text messages and email. [2]

Due to the substantial increase in the number of misyar marriages in recent years, and in light of the arguments over this issue among clerics as well as among the public, the Institute of Islamic Religious Law, which is a part of the Muslim World League in Mecca, decided to address the matter.

In a fatwa issued on April 10, 2006, the institute permitted marriages in which "the woman relinquishes a home, financial support, and her part [in joint life] with her husband, or part of it, and consents to the man's coming to her home whenever he wants, day or night."

The fatwa also permitted marriages known as "friend" marriages, in which "the girl remains at her family's home and she and the man meet any time they want, either at her home or anywhere else, as they have no [joint] home and livelihood." [3] Such marriages are aimed primarily at meeting the needs of young Muslims in the West, who are influenced by male-female relations around them but who want their relationships to have religious legitimacy.

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This bothers or concerns you how? And really should you not be concentrating on perhaps on oh I dont know maybe the abject poverty plaguing your country?


Look at your own cultural miscues before you begin to lecture others :idea:

[desi_chickan]

He probably jacked off when he found this thread.

probably!

:scratch:

[MolviCorleone]

Seriously though.....I agree with him on this one...Arab/Middle East has had NO contribution whatso ever in 20th century. The contributions frm Islam during dark ages what you speak of

1) Are pointless...you cannot stick to 800 yrs old glory :ugh:
2) Borrowed Ideas...Frm all scholars frm all over the world.

They were busy fighting and shit and still are....

Dont get pissed off blindly. Take a deep breath and think and u will realise. Its not a blind hate but obvious truth. Middle East has offered nothing to Science or any invention in 20 th century.

So what? We blame islam for this? We kill the arabs for this? just let them fucking live man. The so called developed nations have done more to destroy the world than to make it a better place.

[Swe3tGurlJazmine]

This bothers or concerns you how? And really should you not be concentrating on perhaps on oh I dont know maybe the abject poverty plaguing your country?


Look at your own cultural miscues before you begin to lecture others :idea:

This is an incredibly stupid thing to say. What prompted you to say it? Down syndrome? Lack of education beyond 3rd grade? Please, tell me, I am salivating at the idea you might not be mentally handicapped.

[mr ajnabi]

True muslims attack innocent civilians. True muslims call for the destruction of the West and other non-muslim societies. True muslims have no desire to see freedom of religious expression, free speech, free press, and any decent human rights. True muslims are the reason the world is the way it is.

lol snap! i got you - so who are the true muslims ? :sarb:

[Octane]

True muslims attack innocent civilians. True muslims call for the destruction of the West and other non-muslim societies. True muslims have no desire to see freedom of religious expression, free speech, free press, and any decent human rights. True muslims are the reason the world is the way it is.


Oh yes the rant of a Fox news anchor. Brava.

[w1ld]

You think Im wrong?

Arabic numerals came from India.

You are such a bimbo! One can not learn everything. Knowledge is learnt and a concept may consist of several other concepts from all over this world, and even if they have adopted it from India, they are the ones who contributed a lot in the math and astrology at that time. :neutral:

[Spiky]

So what? We blame islam for this? We kill the arabs for this? just let them fucking live man. The so called developed nations have done more to destroy the world than to make it a better place.


Woah...I dint blame Islam. Dont twist it. I said....The middle east hasnt contributed anything to society.

[Swe3tGurlJazmine]

You are such a bimbo! One can not learn everything. Knowledge is learnt and even if they have adopted it from India, they are the ones who contributed so much in the math and astrology at that time. :neutral:

They are still not Arabic numerals.

What kind of garbage masjid do you go to that teaches you to ignore Indian achievements?!

[w1ld]

They are still not Arabic numerals.

What kind of garbage masjid do you go to that teaches you to ignore Indian achievements?!

I am indian myself and proud of the findings by people regardless of the religion in there :lol:

[lili420]

i dont think that is permissible, people are just molding islam, to fit their needs. its just some weird arab custom that they are trying to fit in with islam

[Octane]

This is an incredibly stupid thing to say. What prompted you to say it? Down syndrome? Lack of education beyond 3rd grade? Please, tell me, I am salivating at the idea you might not be mentally handicapped.

For the low brow such as yourself I can see why. Run along child the adults are speaking.

[Spiky]

You are such a bimbo! One can not learn everything. Knowledge is learnt and a concept may consist of several other concepts from all over this world, and even if they have adopted it from India, they are the ones who contributed a lot in the math and astrology at that time. :neutral:


The Indian were pretty advanced with maths and astrology as such. I dont see just them takin the credit.

[.AK.]

Seriously though.....I agree with him on this one...Arab/Middle East has had NO contribution whatso ever in 20th century. The contributions frm Islam during dark ages what you speak of

1) Are pointless...you cannot stick to 800 yrs old glory :ugh:
2) Borrowed Ideas...Frm all scholars frm all over the world.

They were busy fighting and shit and still are....

Dont get pissed off blindly. Take a deep breath and think and u will realise. Its not a blind hate but obvious truth. Middle East has offered nothing to Science or any invention in 20 th century.
im not gonna get pissed
infact i agree

[Swe3tGurlJazmine]

For the low brow such as yourself I can see why. Run along child the adults are speaking.

Being able to post does not make you an adult!

Why shouldnt one criticize a negative element they see? Just because a negative element exists in their society?

This 'principle' makes little sense, and wouldnt exactly work in any decent debate or discussion. Then again, this isnt a decent discussion since it's RD.

[mr ajnabi]

Woah...I dint blame Islam. Dont twist it. I said....The middle east hasnt contributed anything to society.


yes they do !

:sarb: Middle east are the reason that the media runs today in our world !

with-out them there would be no headlines on sky news or cnn .

resulting in a huge job-loss . Lmfao .


Middle east were suppose to struggle ' it was meant to be and the jews were meant to be rich !

In struggle 1 remembers God ! :love:

[Spiky]

yes they do !

:sarb: Middle east are the reason that the media runs today in our world !

with-out them there would be no headlines on sky news or cnn .

resulting in a huge job-loss . Lmfao .


Middle east were suppose to struggle ' it was meant to be and the jews were meant to be rich !

In struggle 1 remembers God ! :love:


That retarded mentality is what dragging you and whole of the society down. Thats all I am going to say.

[fratty]

True muslims are ones who take the Quran as the literal word of God. If anyone has read the Quran is it full of inaccuracies. It doesn't even have the right lineages. The Quran is not the literal word of God nor is the Bible or Torah or Gita or anything. They are just divinely inspired maybe. I really would rather muslims just go back to countries that have Sharia law instead of trying to bring it here. This is not racism because its a belief system. Anyone can change their belief. I have no problems discriminating against belief systems if it advocates violence and the subjugation of entire populations. Radical Islam is exactly like Nazism. I don't see how people don't see it. If we took over Iraq correctly we would modernize the mentality of the gentry there. We did that in Japan and Germany. We had to change their whole mentality. We should have wrote their consititution. They can't do anything themselves. Or I think we should just divide the nation into their ethnic conclaves.

[w1ld]

The Indian were pretty advanced with maths and astrology as such. I dont see just them takin the credit.

Arabic numerals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

The numbers were developed in India by the Hindus around 400 BCE. However, because it was Arabs who relayed this system to the West after the Hindu numerical system found its way to Baghdad, the numeral system was seen as "Arabic" in the eyes of the Europeans. Arabs themselves call the Eastern Arabic numerals "Indian numerals," أرقام هندية, (arqam hindiyyah) and use a different set of Arabic symbols as numerals.

Dont freaking get the ethicity involved in findings of knowledge. What we have learnt so far is the contribution of thousands of people all over the world. The credit goes to the indian people because of their findings.

[mr ajnabi]

That retarded mentality is what dragging you and whole of the society down. Thats all I am going to say.



Its also known as belief * .

This mentality makes you a winner in this life and the next . :neutral:

[fratty]

So then why doesn't Islam just reform.

[Octane]

Being able to post does not make you an adult!

Why shouldnt one criticize a negative element they see? Just because a negative element exists in their society?

This 'principle' makes little sense, and wouldnt exactly work in any decent debate or discussion. Then again, this isnt a decent discussion since it's RD.


Your intial response and ability to discern my statement clearly illustrates that you are child. As does the first line of your post above. Your clear inability to comprehend my statement therein makes you a child.

The ability to critique a cultural phenomenon is fine. But when thread maker has a history of making gross errors and generalizations then the rationale for posting the material becomes suspect.


And lastly dont waste my time with your vacuuos statement.

[Spiky]

Arabic numerals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

The numbers were developed in India by the Hindus around 400 BCE. However, because it was Arabs who relayed this system to the West after the Hindu numerical system found its way to Baghdad, the numeral system was seen as "Arabic" in the eyes of the Europeans. Arabs themselves call the Eastern Arabic numerals "Indian numerals," أرقام هندية, (arqam hindiyyah) and use a different set of Arabic symbols as numerals.

Dont freaking get the ethicity involved in findings of knowledge. What we have learnt so far is the contribution of thousands of people all over the world. The credit goes to the indian people because of their findings.


Umm...What I meant was...I dont see giving Arabs the credit of inventing the numerals coz Indians were pretty advanced with mathematics and astrology.

[mr ajnabi]

True muslims are ones who take the Quran as the literal word of God. If anyone has read the Quran is it full of inaccuracies. It doesn't even have the right lineages. The Quran is not the literal word of God nor is the Bible or Torah or Gita or anything. They are just divinely inspired maybe. I really would rather muslims just go back to countries that have Sharia law instead of trying to bring it here. This is not racism because its a belief system. Anyone can change their belief. I have no problems discriminating against belief systems if it advocates violence and the subjugation of entire populations. Radical Islam is exactly like Nazism. I don't see how people don't see it. If we took over Iraq correctly we would modernize the mentality of the gentry there. We did that in Japan and Germany. We had to change their whole mentality. We should have wrote their consititution. They can't do anything themselves. Or I think we should just divide the nation into their ethnic conclaves.


Thats your mentality lol ' but the true muslim believe in unity ?

Take a look at hajj - you see a black man ' a brown man ' a white man shoulder to shoulder praying - all dressed in white so no 1 can distinguish who is rich who is poor .

wo to Allah what a beautiful religion he bought mankind !

(Malcom x )

:neutral:

we all are human with different labels - dont forget we all can do bad not just the muslims .

[Spiky]

Its also known as belief * .

This mentality makes you a winner in this life and the next . :neutral:



I want to .... http://smiliesftw.com/x/hung.gif

[Spiky]

Thats your mentality lol ' but the true muslim believe in unity ?

Take a look at hajj - you see a black man ' a brown man ' a white man shoulder to shoulder praying - all dressed in white so no 1 can distinguish who is rich who is poor .

wo to Allah what a beautiful religion he bought mankind !
(Malcom x )

:neutral:

we all are human with different labels - dont forget we all can do bad not just the muslims .


So happens...a non muslim cannot even enter the premises or surroundings....

[mr ajnabi]

I want to .... http://smiliesftw.com/x/hung.gif

:neutral: Life is worth living ! even in death no 1 can escape meeting Allah's angels first .

[fratty]

Thats your mentality lol ' but the true muslim believe in unity ?

Take a look at hajj - you see a black man ' a brown man ' a white man shoulder to shoulder praying - all dressed in white so no 1 can distinguish who is rich who is poor .

wo to Allah what a beautiful religion he bought mankind !

(Malcom x )

:neutral:

we all are human with different labels - dont forget we all can do bad not just the muslims .


Because you just Arabize all the populations. The religion and prayer is done in Arabic. You pray towards Arabia. You take on arabic cultural tenets. Islam is just a vehicle for Arabic cultural dominance. Muslim Pakistanis, Malays, Turks, Persians, Indians, and any other non-arab muslim are just servants to their Arab masters.

[mr ajnabi]

So happens...a non muslim cannot even enter the premises or surroundings....


By declaring in 1 god and last prophet the doors are always welcome . :neutral:

[Octane]

True muslims are ones who take the Quran as the literal word of God. If anyone has read the Quran is it full of inaccuracies. It doesn't even have the right lineages. The Quran is not the literal word of God nor is the Bible or Torah or Gita or anything. They are just divinely inspired maybe. I really would rather muslims just go back to countries that have Sharia law instead of trying to bring it here. This is not racism because its a belief system. Anyone can change their belief. I have no problems discriminating against belief systems if it advocates violence and the subjugation of entire populations. Radical Islam is exactly like Nazism. I don't see how people don't see it. If we took over Iraq correctly we would modernize the mentality of the gentry there. We did that in Japan and Germany. We had to change their whole mentality. We should have wrote their consititution. They can't do anything themselves. Or I think we should just divide the nation into their ethnic conclaves.


The Quran has no inaccuracies. Period. Again Fratty this why you look like an idiot. Prove your point back up your assertion. I want you to go find me an Academic source that has the backing of an academic press which has gone through a vetting process to prove that point. I dont want some ridiculous internet website.


And again I ask you this over and over again. Have you spoken too and have you consulted with an Academic on the subject? Ofcourse you havent. Same old tripe different day. Youve been proven time and time again to be intellectual defunct. Sharpened Mango and I have ripped you more times then I can count on your inaccurate statements.

[Spiky]

:neutral: Life is worth living ! even in death no 1 can escape meeting Allah's angels first .


You put your blind faith and "worship" before Science. Thats your prerogative....I dont care...but in this time and world.....Dont whine when there is a war and YOU are on a side with bazookas and SAM's while WE are bombing u from Air...Coz afterall there is going to be War right...between Islam and rest of the world....LOL

[fratty]

The Quran has no inaccuracies. Period. Again Fratty this why you look like an idiot. Prove your point back up your assertion. I want you to go find me an Academic source that has the backing of an academic press which has gone through a vetting process to prove that point. I dont want some ridiculous internet website.


And again I ask you this over and over again. Have you spoken and had a consult with and Academic on the subject? Ofcourse you havent. Same old tripe different day. Youve been proven time and time again to be intellectual defunct. Sharpened Mango and I have ripped you more times then I can count on your inaccurate statements.

It is inaccurate. Its pure fiction.

[w1ld]

Umm...What I meant was...I dont see giving Arabs the credit of inventing the numerals coz Indians were pretty advanced with mathematics and astrology.
No body is being deprived of their credit...in knowledge everyone get a credit...one who do the first finding...and the others who work on the initial findings and take it to the next level...Al-Khwarizmi, Thabit ibn Qurra, Omar Khayyam, Jamshid al-Kashi these are the people who travelled throughout the world for education and helped transmit mathematics, Algebra and trigonometry to Western Europe and many other parts of the world till 12th century.

You are such a racist mofo :lol:

[Spiky]

No body is being deprived of their credit...in knowledge everyone get a credit...one who do the first finding...and the others who work on the initial findings and take it to the next level...Al-Khwarizmi, Thabit ibn Qurra, Omar Khayyam, Jamshid al-Kashi these are the people who travelled throughout the world for education and helped transmit mathematics, Algebra and trigonometry to Western Europe and many other parts of the world till 12th century.

You are such a racist mofo :lol:


wtf!! LOL, why am I a racist...Jesus. I agree with all u said. But I still stand to my point...Middle East needs to quit brainwashing their kids to recite Koran from preface to page numbers to each letter and make better use of their youth so they educate themselves and help themselves propser.

[mr ajnabi]

Because you just Arabize all the populations. The religion and prayer is done in Arabic. You pray towards Arabia. You take on arabic cultural tenets. Islam is just a vehicle for Arabic cultural dominance. Muslim Pakistanis, Malays, Turks, Persians, Indians, and any other non-arab muslim are just servants to their Arab masters.

Muslims are servant to 1 god and when they were born his name was whispered in the babies ear .

The last prophet was associated in the middle-east and commonly in saudi arabia .

Does not make Islam the religion of arabs ! Its stated in the holy quran '

'' Oh mankind this religion is for you all regardless of your skin colour and possesions '' Islam is the religion bought for you and perefected - its the Religion of Humanity ''.

Fratty you have anger against people who are not like you ?


Respect the fact we all are different and we all have different views and this is our world - live in peace ' guide and go in the next life happy . :)

[fratty]

God first made his covenant with Isaac and not Ishmael.

[Octane]

It is inaccurate. Its pure fiction.


LOL. You just proved my point. No back up, but your own words. Again you've been owned. Somedays you make this more easier then others. :D

[Spiky]

And hope ppl like Mr Ajnabi arent there..who put Religion before education!

[fratty]

Muslims are servant to 1 god and when they were born his name was whispered in the babies ear .

The last prophet was associated in the middle-east and commonly in saudi arabia .

Does not make Islam the religion of arabs ! Its stated in the holy quran '

'' Oh mankind this religion is for you all regardless of your skin colour and possesions '' Islam is the religion bought for you and perefected - its the Religion of Humanity ''.

Fratty you have anger against people who are not like you ?


Respect the fact we all are different and we all have different views and this is our world - live in peace ' guide and go in the next life happy . :)

I have no problems with other types of people. I have a problem with people who do not adhere to "live and let live". Radical Muslims want everyone under one rule under the Quran. I don't believe in the Quran. And do not want it as the rule of law.

[w1ld]

True muslims are ones who take the Quran as the literal word of God. If anyone has read the Quran is it full of inaccuracies. It doesn't even have the right lineages. The Quran is not the literal word of God nor is the Bible or Torah or Gita or anything. They are just divinely inspired maybe. I really would rather muslims just go back to countries that have Sharia law instead of trying to bring it here. This is not racism because its a belief system. Anyone can change their belief. I have no problems discriminating against belief systems if it advocates violence and the subjugation of entire populations. Radical Islam is exactly like Nazism. I don't see how people don't see it. If we took over Iraq correctly we would modernize the mentality of the gentry there. We did that in Japan and Germany. We had to change their whole mentality. We should have wrote their consititution. They can't do anything themselves. Or I think we should just divide the nation into their ethnic conclaves.

About the in-accuaricies...did you try getting your ass up and do some searching and discussing the areas THAT YOU THINK ARE INACCURACIES with the one who has knowledge? I am sure you are one of the many others who just read a statement of in-accuries and never even try to find theirselves if what they have been told or what they have read is correct or not.

Plus when you make such remarks, you have to come up with reasons!

[mr ajnabi]

And hope ppl like Mr Ajnabi arent there..who put Religion before education!

when a muslim is born he hears ' Allah's name in his/her ear .

Islam is our education . Its the proud way of life . :D

[Cunard]

your all idiots

u know exactly why fratty posted this and your falling into his gay little trap like fruit flies

[desi_chickan]

your all idiots

u know exactly why fratty posted this and your falling into his gay little trap like fruit flies

yea we do .. cos hes a gay b*****

[fratty]

LOL. You just proved my point. No back up, but your own words. Again you've been owned. Somedays you make this more easier then others. :D

What proof do you have that the Quran is the word of God?

[mr ajnabi]

your all idiots

u know exactly why fratty posted this and your falling into his gay little trap like fruit flies

Some negatives have a posotive out-come . :)

[desi_chickan]

What proof do you have that the Quran is the word of God?
kafir .. noone cares what u think!

[mr ajnabi]

What proof do you have that the Quran is the word of God?

what proof you have that your dad is your dad?

[w1ld]

And hope ppl like Mr Ajnabi arent there..who put Religion before education!

Religion and education covers entirely different aspects although religious knowledge may contribute to education in some matters such as law and rules in the society.

[Spiky]

when a muslim is born he hears ' Allah's name in his/her ear .

Islam is our education . Its the proud way of life . :D


Yeah yeah...Your repetitive bullshit is all impressive and amazing as such. But its diff when you are the one in the dirt filled villages in Middle east without water, electricity or computer to get on RD than in your comfortable AC runnin dad's apartment in UK.

[fratty]

kafir .. noone cares what u think!

Haha cool.

[Spiky]

kafir .. noone cares what u think!



http://smiliesftw.com/x/roflsquared.gif

[desi_chickan]

threads like this should be locked at the very first post! :sarb:

[mr ajnabi]

Yeah yeah...Your repetitive bullshit is all impressive and amazing as such. But its diff when you are the one in the dirt filled villages in Middle east without water, electricity or computer to get on RD than in your comfortable AC runnin dad's apartment in UK.

:neutral: you lost it mate lol .

[fratty]

what proof you have that your dad is your dad?

Simple DNA test could prove that.

[MolviCorleone]

Yeah yeah...Your repetitive bullshit is all impressive and amazing as such. But its diff when you are the one in the dirt filled villages in Middle east without water, electricity or computer to get on RD than in your comfortable AC runnin dad's apartment in UK.

yeh becuase the middle east looks like this

http://pds.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/images/browse/mars/vlpan22.jpg

INNIT??

[alphaPAKI]

where can i go about getting one?

[w1ld]

What proof do you have that the Quran is the word of God?
Did you read it? Did you try analysing what it says? Do you see any other book being memorised by millions of people other than Quran? Did you see anyone else who was able to come up with something like Quran?

What proof you have it is not the word of God?

[mr ajnabi]

Simple DNA test could prove that.

how do you know they wont switch it ?

how do you know the computer wont give you wrong results ?

Is it not that belief that makes you believe its right ?

[fratty]

I just gave ya'll a simple article on a form of prostitution. But ya'll fail to recognize your own ugliest in your religion. Other religions have reformed and so should Islam.

[MolviCorleone]

http://smiliesftw.com/x/roflsquared.gif
http://smiliesftw.com/huge/greddyhueg.gif

[Spiky]

Religion and education covers entirely different aspects although religious knowledge may contribute to education in some matters such as law and rules in the society.


Middle East == Prime Importance to Religion, No need for Education.


This is something I am not makin up...Middle East consists of ppl like Mr Ajnabi here. Why else do u think its so backward with no one even remotely contributing to science? I am stressing the point of their attitude, who gives a fuck which religion you preach as long as u dont bother me or go arnd blowing yourself along with me, I am fine.

[w1ld]

when a muslim is born he hears ' Allah's name in his/her ear .

Islam is our education . Its the proud way of life . :D

Man for God sake, come up with something intelligent and something relevant. I am not saying it is not correct, but irrelevant information in a discussion endsup with nothing. If you do not have something wise to say, then please do not bother.

[mr ajnabi]

I just gave ya'll a simple article on a form of prostitution. But ya'll fail to recognize your own ugliest in your religion. Other religions have reformed and so should Islam.


take a look at that picture of yours .

Your the 1 who needs to refrorm ...

from sleep - to awake!

Then you might see what Islam is .

[Spiky]

yeh becuase the middle east looks like this

http://pds.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/images/browse/mars/vlpan22.jpg

INNIT??


Nah...That aint no desert...Its got rocks and stuff in it....more like...

http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/images/dry_desert.jpg


INNIT.

[mr ajnabi]

Man for God sake, come up with something intelligent and something relevant. I am not saying it is not correct, but irrelevant information in a discussion endsup with nothing. If you do not have something wise to say, then please do not bother.


100% fact . :) why does it annoy you ? These are the best wise words .

Islam is the way of life . :love: would you not agree ? or are you sitting there with a smirk because you rather keep some of your desires . :rolleyes:

[w1ld]

Middle East == Prime Importance to Religion, No need for Education.


This is something I am not makin up...Middle East consists of ppl like Mr Ajnabi here. Why else do u think its so backward with no one even remotely contributing to science? I am stressing the point of their attitude, who gives a fuck which religion you preach as long as u dont bother me or go arnd blowing yourself along with me, I am fine.
Again you are generalising it, but I do agree that it is like this to an extent. They do have education but it is not of very high quality just because the govt. is not able to understand the needs and try to solve the issues. The religious knowledge is not enough on its own, they need to learn this.

[w1ld]

100% fact . :) why does it annoy you ? These are the best wise words .

Islam is the way of life . :love: would you not agree ? or do you sitting there with a smirk because you rather keep some of your desires . :rolleyes:
It is not annoying me, it is just telling me that you are one of the many others who just learn a line from a book like a parrot and then start preaching it without having the knowledge of any other kind and start posting their irrelevent comments in a discussion. :neutral:

[mr ajnabi]

Again you are generalising it, but I do agree that it is like this to an extent. They do have education but it is not of very high quality just because the govt. is not able to understand the needs and try to solve the issues. The religious knowledge is not enough on its own, they need to learn this.


The religious knowlege is the only knowlege which we take to our graves along with our deeds.


So religion knowlege is the real key !

:neutral:

[mr ajnabi]

It is not annoying me, it is just telling me that you are one of the many others who just learn a line from a book like a parrot and then start preaching it without having the knowledge of any other kind and start posting their irrelevent comments in a discussion. :neutral:


lmao for you its 1 of those school discussions ...


For me its to guide these plums that dont put dirt on Our Islam - so others get deluded ' ill wipe it off every time and show them a cleaner side .


Islam is the way of life ' lol btw ramadan mubarak brother !

:D

[fratty]

Did you read it? Did you try analysing what it says? Do you see any other book being memorised by millions of people other than Quran? Did you see anyone else who was able to come up with something like Quran?

What proof you have it is not the word of God?

Isn't the burden of proof on the muslims. Its pure belief. How can you say that the Quran is the word of God? If it is, why is there still a need for man to have multiple wives? Just the Quran does not seem relevant. People are like well that passage is taken out of context. I think if God wrote the perfect book which the Quran claims it would have no interpretations. What is said is said. It would be relevant now then it was 1000 years ago. It could be translated into any language with no problems at all because a perfect God would carefully choose his words because he knew at one point it would need to be translated. But I see so many people claiming you have to read it in its Arabic to truly understand it, which makes no sense.

[mr ajnabi]

Isn't the burden of proof on the muslims. Its pure belief. How can you say that the Quran is the word of God? If it is, why is there still a need for man to have multiple wives? Just the Quran does not seem relevant. People are like well that passage is taken out of context. I think if God wrote the perfect book which the Quran claims it would have no interpretations. What is said is said. It would be relevant now then it was 1000 years ago. It could be translated into any language with no problems at all because a perfect God would carefully choose his words because he knew at one point it would need to be translated. But I see so many people claiming you have to read it in its Arabic to truly understand it, which makes no sense.

You raise so many questions about Islam ......


Thats intresting ' its these pondering that leads a man to the right door with the right belief - pondering after pondering . :neutral:

[MolviCorleone]

Isn't the burden of proof on the muslims. Its pure belief. How can you say that the Quran is the word of God? If it is, why is there still a need for man to have multiple wives? Just the Quran does not seem relevant. People are like well that passage is taken out of context. I think if God wrote the perfect book which the Quran claims it would have no interpretations. What is said is said. It would be relevant now then it was 1000 years ago. It could be translated into any language with no problems at all because a perfect God would carefully choose his words because he knew at one point it would need to be translated. But I see so many people claiming you have to read it in its Arabic to truly understand it, which makes no sense.

Arabic is a unique language, for example in english youve got God and Goddess, in arabic they dont have that therefore it makes more sense for it to be in Arabic. Nothing wrong with that at all. The multiple wives thing, lol man ive had girls telling me it makes sense. Look around, theres more women than men and if there was to be another major world war there will be a lot of lonely women. Men have to look after them.

[Whizkid786]

]
For over a decade, the phenomenon of marriage without commitment, called misyar marriage, has been spreading throughout the Sunni Muslim world, particularly in Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf countries. [1] In such marriages, the woman relinquishes some of the rights that Islam grants her, such as the right to a home and to financial support from her husband, and, if he has other wives, the right to an equal part of his time and attention. In most cases, these marriages are secret, without the knowledge of the man's other wives - even though a marriage contract is drawn up in the presence of witnesses, and although consent is commonly obtained from the woman's guardian, and the marriage is registered and documented at the courthouse. Demand is high for misyar marriages on online matchmaking sites, as well as through services using text messages and email. [2]

Due to the substantial increase in the number of misyar marriages in recent years, and in light of the arguments over this issue among clerics as well as among the public, the Institute of Islamic Religious Law, which is a part of the Muslim World League in Mecca, decided to address the matter.

In a fatwa issued on April 10, 2006, the institute permitted marriages in which "the woman relinquishes a home, financial support, and her part [in joint life] with her husband, or part of it, and consents to the man's coming to her home whenever he wants, day or night."

The fatwa also permitted marriages known as "friend" marriages, in which "the girl remains at her family's home and she and the man meet any time they want, either at her home or anywhere else, as they have no [joint] home and livelihood." [3] Such marriages are aimed primarily at meeting the needs of young Muslims in the West, who are influenced by male-female relations around them but who want their relationships to have religious legitimacy.

continued
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA29106
IF you're that obsessed, convert already.

[crystalgems2]

........... The so called developed nations have done more to destroy the world than to make it a better place.
yeah, hence Pakis in love with UK tubes & bus stations ;)

[mr ajnabi]

IF you're that obsessed, convert already.

Insha -Allah let him find the answers .

He will be gutted what The real Islam protrays and i wont be surprised if he embraces it .

right now his stumbling on a hill - lets hope he climbs up and see's the real green grass .

Lol these threads do turn around . :neutral:

[w1ld]

I just gave ya'll a simple article on a form of prostitution. But ya'll fail to recognize your own ugliest in your religion. Other religions have reformed and so should Islam.
Man it is very easy to read an article from the internet site, then copy and paste it, and start making your point. I am not saying what is written is wrong, it may be correct and may be a way of fulfilling the sexual needs but look at the other side, sexual relationship will eventually end up with the woman being pregnant, who will look after the family? These marriages are kept secret but eventually it will be publicly known and wouldnt it effect the existing marriage? So it may work and it may not work and it depends on the situation. One of the reason men in islam are allowed to take four wives is just to keep the balance in the society when women outnumber men but again it has its requirement and one need to get approval from the existing wife otherwise it can not be done.

[w1ld]

Isn't the burden of proof on the muslims. Its pure belief. How can you say that the Quran is the word of God? If it is, why is there still a need for man to have multiple wives? Just the Quran does not seem relevant. People are like well that passage is taken out of context. I think if God wrote the perfect book which the Quran claims it would have no interpretations. What is said is said. It would be relevant now then it was 1000 years ago. It could be translated into any language with no problems at all because a perfect God would carefully choose his words because he knew at one point it would need to be translated. But I see so many people claiming you have to read it in its Arabic to truly understand it, which makes no sense.

- There are proofs on this concept. If you have questions then ask someone who know about it in in detail.

- Your point about Quran and Wives is not clear, can you explain?

- Quran consist on concepts and every concept need explanation and its interpretation. Why do you think concepts of science are interpreted and thousands of book are written just to explain different concepts of science?

- You do not have to read the Quran in Arabic in order to understand it. If you know the language it will give you a chance to understand it better. Every language has a unique style, a way of writing, speaking, and understanding that most of the times easier to understand by their natives rather than one who is not.

[w1ld]

lmao for you its 1 of those school discussions ...


For me its to guide these plums that dont put dirt on Our Islam - so others get deluded ' ill wipe it off every time and show them a cleaner side .


Islam is the way of life ' lol btw ramadan mubarak brother !

:D
Islam is the way of life, Islam is the way of life, Islam is the way of life...Do you have something else to say? In all this discussion, show me a single point of yours that was relevant to what fratty posted and you are talking about showing them a cleaner side? You have contributed nothing useful to this discussion.

You can never escape questions, when peopl ask you about God, about prophet, about the book, you can not just simpley answer them with "Islam is the way of life and eternal truth".

Ramadan mubarak to you too.

[crystalgems2]

..... The multiple wives thing, lol man ive had girls telling me it makes sense......
hey, u r bullshitting here...no girl ever dream to share her man...may be this is the opinion of brainwashed females in your family!!!!
...Look around, theres more women than men and if there was to be another major world war there will be a lot of lonely women. Men have to look after them.
don't you know modern armed forces around the world have women?
further, do u know bombs dont look for women to love while exploding?
after a major war (if it ever happens), most will perish.....

Your mind really stuck in medieval ages.........hence Pope reminding ppl to openup the mind

[MolviCorleone]

hey, u r bullshitting here...no girl ever dream to share her man...may be this is the opinion of brainwashed females in your family!!!!

don't you know modern armed forces around the world have women?
further, do u know bombs dont look for women to love while exploding?
after a major war (if it ever happens), most will perish.....

Your mind really stuck in medieval ages......hence Pope reminding ppl to openup

no not really, fact is female:male ratio will increase, there will be more single women and wtf makes you think women don't want to share thier man when they have for years in the past. It's better than a man sleeping around.
Armed forced have women BUT theres still more men then women, women just won't overtake the men. bombs dont look for women, but people choose to murder women and children to humiliate people.


the 4 wife rule for muslims makes sense in the modern world ONLY if a man is prepared to love all 2-4 equally and provide for them equally. You fucking feminist wannabe.

[foreverconfused]

hey, u r bullshitting here...no girl ever dream to share her man...may be this is the opinion of brainwashed females in your family!!!!


I have not been satisfied with Islamic teachings myself, for reasons I care not to discuss.

But polygamy does have some biological basis... this is accepted even by a lot of Western scholars.

I personally would never be comfortable marrying a guy who had another wife though. Never!!! And if anyone suggested that to me, I would dump his ass.

[MolviCorleone]

I have not been satisfied with Islamic teachings myself, for reasons I care not to discuss.

But polygamy does have some biological basis... this is accepted even by a lot of Western scholars.

I personally would never be comfortable marrying a guy who had another wife though. Never!!!

I always assumed you were a fella.

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

i thought only shias got in on that...anyhow it's a horrid practice

[foreverconfused]

I always assumed you were a fella.

Just like everone else on this site. :(

[MolviCorleone]

i thought only shias got in on that...anyhow it's a horrid practice
I remember a certain ismaili girl on RD marrying a couple of times like that just to fuck.......she was mental.

[NYzNiCCa]

Is it against Islam? Or the a barbaric custom? I am not really against this. But its prostitution just by another name.

I believe ur mom is a victim of one of these marriages.

[crystalgems2]

But polygamy does have some biological basis... this is accepted even by a lot of Western scholars.


would u throw some more light on that?

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

I remember a certain ismaili girl on RD marrying a couple of times like that just to fuck.......she was mental.


cherry mohestar i think that's her name wrote a book about her life in iran she was a dumb bia that got involved with a man in one of those marriages and basically wrote how he screwed her over and how she got her divorce, and permission to approve her papers to go back to her life in the u.k. she was a famous journalist as well ..but a real dumb bitch when it came down to common sense

the guy had a whole 2nd family and everything also another novel mentioned many poor pakistani or tribal arab families that have to take the money and give their daughters away to (ususally arab wealthy) men for this shit at a very young age to help put food on the table and keep the family going. it's sooo sad that older better off men take advantage of this and also prey on such young young girls

[MolviCorleone]

cherry mohestar i think that's her name wrote a book about her life in iran she was a dumb bia that got involved with a man in one of those marriages and basically wrote how he screwed her over and how she got her divorce, and permission to approve her papers to go back to her life in the u.k. she was a famous journalist as well ..but a real dumb bitch when it came down to common sense

the guy had a whole 2nd family and everything also another novel mentioned many poor pakistani or tribal arab families that have to take the money and give their daughters away to (ususally arab wealthy) men for this shit at a very young age to help put food on the table and keep the family going. it's sooo sad that older better off men take advantage of this and also prey on such young young girls

:neutral: i was on about an RD girl.

[NYzNiCCa]

IF you're that obsessed, convert already.

:roflbow: :rofl: :p :p :p

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

:neutral: i was on about an RD girl.


sorry so who was the rd girl did she post on the forums

[Spiky]

sorry so who was the rd girl did she post on the forums


Yeah...nice contextual posts there retard.

[NYzNiCCa]

I disagree with all of you. Arabs have contributed alot to society. They are the first ones who came up with these very elegant belts. One can tie this pretty belt on their waists and run along in an open market and with a single press of a button…just a single press of a button, you can transform yourself into very tiny pieces of meat and the bonus part …………………… you also get to convert other unwilling people along with you. We must praise them for such a unique belt :wink:

Hahahah LOL ok ok ok forgive me brethren, it was a dumb joke. I love th Arabs and I did date Arab and persian girls before. They are hospitable when they like you and deadly when they dislike you. :giggle: :giggle:

LOl I dont hate any one.

go fcuk ur lil whore named pakidoll82....jumping from one RD guys lul to another...u chipmonk.

[NYzNiCCa]

sorry so who was the rd girl did she post on the forums

frattys ammi jaan.

[foreverconfused]

would u throw some more light on that?

Blah.

I hate elaborating. we did a unit on this in my evolution class. Since females carry and nurture offspring, they usually "hook-up" with males who are strong and able to provide for them. This type of male constitutes the minority, so there is some biological predisposition toward polygamy.

This is a common pattern present among most mammalian species, including most human societies throughout history.

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

frattys ammi jaan.


thats harsh

spiky whats up your ass...like all the time u make it a point to say something i ignore most comments but every now n then i just have to ask

[crystalgems2]

no not really, fact is female:male ratio will increase, there will be more single women and wtf makes you think women don't want to share thier man when they have for years in the past. It's better than a man sleeping around.

hey, u r either bullshitting (as always do) or probably dreaming for a day to arive with male female ratio reach 1:4......Goodluck

the 4 wife rule for muslims makes sense in the modern world ONLY if a man is prepared to love all 2-4 equally and provide for them equally. You fucking feminist wannabe.

hey, in this modern world even Mahadi (if he propsup) wouldn't go for 4 wives...thats 4sure ;)

[NYzNiCCa]

thats harsh

spiky whats up your ass...like all the time u make it a point to say something i ignore most comments but every now n then i just have to ask

dont mind spikey...hes just one of those itches that bothers the opening of ur bum hole until u finger it. :D

[x_desigal_xx]

mate i dunu who ur? hinddu or christian bu if u iz hinddu , dint u red dat lil gowjus indian gul married to that street dog? wtz dat mate? atleaset v aint got nufin to deal wd dogs to get rid of curse

trus me u need to do smink else or grow that beared a bit mo n go sit in temple wd orange sheet on ya



Y DO U WRITE A POST WD SMINK DAZ AGAINST HINDUISM, U CAN HATE IT WD YOU MOUTH SHUT ASWELL MATE, GO GET A LIFE

[foreverconfused]

the 4 wife rule for muslims makes sense in the modern world ONLY if a man is prepared to love all 2-4 equally and provide for them equally. You fucking feminist wannabe.

Modern Islamic world.

I don't think societies where polygamy has been historically practiced should be criticized for that, Islamic socieities included.

But I do consider it inappropriate for a European man raised in Germany to marry two or more wives, just because we're talking about a completely different cultural context.

[NYzNiCCa]

Y DO U WRITE A POST WD SMINK DAZ AGAINST HINDUISM, U CAN HATE IT WD YOU MOUTH SHUT ASWELL MATE, GO GET A LIFE

shri krisha had 16000 wives? :shock:

[MolviCorleone]

hey, u r either bullshitting (as always do) or probably dreaming for a day to arive with male female ratio reach 1:4......Goodluck



hey, in this modern world even Mahadi (if he propsup) wouldn't go for 4 wives...thats 4sure ;)

Nah, 1 is enough for me but im not against the idea of other people have more than wife. They can only do it in their 1st wife approves. So obviously it makes sense.

[crystalgems2]

Blah.
I hate elaborating. we did a unit on this in my evolution class. Since females carry and nurture offspring, they usually "hook-up" with males who are strong and able to provide for them. This type of male constitutes the minority, so there is some biological predisposition toward polygamy.
This is a common pattern present among most mammalian species, including most human societies throughout history.

is that relevent in modern societies?

[NYzNiCCa]

Nah, 1 is enough for me but im not against the idea of other people have more than wife. They can only do it in their 1st wife approves. So obviously it makes sense.

its ok to have as many fuck buddies as possible but God forbid u marry more than 1 woman. :p

[Spiky]

thats harsh

spiky whats up your ass...like all the time u make it a point to say something i ignore most comments but every now n then i just have to ask


Sweety, I was just complimenting your post....

[foreverconfused]

shri krisha had 16000 wives? :shock:

Completely different cultural and temporal context that is no longer applicable for a modern metropolitan Hindu.

[MolviCorleone]

mah *****z NYzNiCCa , DaSuckaPunch are in here



http://smiliesftw.com/huge/eek5huge2.png

[x_desigal_xx]

shri krisha had 16000 wives? :shock:



Sad, but true







































:rofl:

[foreverconfused]

is that relevent in modern societies?

Depends on which modern society. If we're tlaking about Western ones, or even metropolitan Hindu family, absolutely not.

[NYzNiCCa]

Completely different cultural and temporal context that is no longer applicable for a modern metropolitan Hindu.

but 16000....:shock:

[x_desigal_xx]

Completely different cultural and temporal context that is no longer applicable for a modern metropolitan Hindu.



The sarcasm was missed by him in my post.
oh well.

[NYzNiCCa]

Sad, but true




:rofl:

i :salut: him for having 16000 wives!

[NYzNiCCa]

mah *****z NYzNiCCa , DaSuckaPunch are in here



http://smiliesftw.com/huge/eek5huge2.png

hahahaahahha :hug:

[foreverconfused]

The sarcasm was missed by him in my post.
oh well.

That's why I've started to avoid using sarcasm here. :rofl:

[MolviCorleone]

its ok to have as many fuck buddies as possible but God forbid u marry more than 1 woman. :p

Shaitaan de puttar

junglee lawg

[NYzNiCCa]

That's why I've started to avoid using sarcasm here. :rofl:

i would lay em down on differnt floors and damn u can picture the rest. ;)

[NYzNiCCa]

Shaitaan de puttar

junglee lawg

its ok to keep a mistress in western society. ;)

[x_desigal_xx]

That's why I've started to avoid using sarcasm here. :rofl:



I can see why now :kekeke:

[NYzNiCCa]

I can see why now :kekeke:

i would love me that many wives! :Pelvic2:

[crystalgems2]

Nah, 1 is enough for me but im not against the idea of other people have more than wife. They can only do it in their 1st wife approves. So obviously it makes sense.
whenever male female ratio reach 1:4, nobody need a prophet/book to tell male to go for 4 wives.......it happens naturally
we r not near that ratio yet hence that text is irrelevent now.

[NYzNiCCa]

LOL I didnt bring your women into this fuckhead so watch your mouth. Why the fuck do you have to pick on some one who doesnt even know you exist? Fuckin pig shit

getting people aggrevated has turned into an everyday thing....some do it by threads like this one...i do it using my posts. :D

[kool05]

It's the people in Islam and not the religion itself that has brought forth idiotic customs...U can't blame the religion for what's happening out there...It's the damn extremists and all that are ruining the True Image of Islam...and hell the Media is just the perfect outsider that is waiting for any opportunity to rip the tennets of the faith apart...

People who are creating havoc for the rest of the muslim community are to be blamed not the religion Islam...those fools have interpreted the teachings of Islam in w/e way that suits them which is completely an Utter BS...

The biggest misconception is that of Jihad in Islam...

[mr ajnabi]

Islam is the way of life, Islam is the way of life, Islam is the way of life...Do you have something else to say? In all this discussion, show me a single point of yours that was relevant to what fratty posted and you are talking about showing them a cleaner side? You have contributed nothing useful to this discussion.

You can never escape questions, when peopl ask you about God, about prophet, about the book, you can not just simpley answer them with "Islam is the way of life and eternal truth".

Ramadan mubarak to you too.

Hope plays a huge role in life ....

Lets say a child is suffering from cancer - and no 1 can do nothing - then hope and belief in Allah is the best cure .

Like-wise if they ask for proof ' o muslim show me that the qur'an is the word of god !!

You simply tell them Muslim beleive life is a test and we are no miracle workers . We are simply human with freewill and we choose what to follow.

There was a blessed man named Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) ' he taught us the way of life and there is the Holy Book - The holy qur'an .

If they become ignorant and dont take heed ....

'' To be with you ' your way of life ' to be with me mine '' .

:) Allah is all aware whats in our hearts .

[mr ajnabi]

It's the people in Islam and not the religion itself that has brought forth idiotic customs...U can't blame the religion for what's happening out there...It's the damn extremists and all that are ruining the True Image of Islam...and hell the Media is just the perfect outsider that is waiting for any opportunity to rip the tennets of the faith apart...

People who are creating havoc for the rest of the muslim community are to be blamed not the religion Islam...those fools have interpreted the teachings of Islam in w/e way that suits them which is completely an Utter BS...

The biggest misconception is that of Jihad in Islam...

well said. :)

[kool05]

thx bro...some ppl need not to be so ignorant and oughta research...but bloody hell...this fellow here just tries to find things against Islam that are more like human innovations and not the True Islam...what he has mentioned is infact a custom derived within the people...show me where in the Quran it has been said that this particular way of marriage or these intentions for marrying are allowed???

he also brings up Polygamy in Islam...well mate in Islam it's true you're allowed up to have 4 wives but with that come certain conditions, circumstances, and criterias under which you're permitted to marry...The foremost important thing being the consent of your 1st wife...there are whole lot of another details regarding this issue which i'd rather not indulge in...but i hope he gets the point....

RELIGION IS NOT THE ONE TO BE BLAMED

[Love_Baby]

]
For over a decade, the phenomenon of marriage without commitment, called misyar marriage, has been spreading throughout the Sunni Muslim world, particularly in Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf countries. [1] In such marriages, the woman relinquishes some of the rights that Islam grants her, such as the right to a home and to financial support from her husband, and, if he has other wives, the right to an equal part of his time and attention. In most cases, these marriages are secret, without the knowledge of the man's other wives - even though a marriage contract is drawn up in the presence of witnesses, and although consent is commonly obtained from the woman's guardian, and the marriage is registered and documented at the courthouse. Demand is high for misyar marriages on online matchmaking sites, as well as through services using text messages and email. [2]

Due to the substantial increase in the number of misyar marriages in recent years, and in light of the arguments over this issue among clerics as well as among the public, the Institute of Islamic Religious Law, which is a part of the Muslim World League in Mecca, decided to address the matter.

In a fatwa issued on April 10, 2006, the institute permitted marriages in which "the woman relinquishes a home, financial support, and her part [in joint life] with her husband, or part of it, and consents to the man's coming to her home whenever he wants, day or night."

The fatwa also permitted marriages known as "friend" marriages, in which "the girl remains at her family's home and she and the man meet any time they want, either at her home or anywhere else, as they have no [joint] home and livelihood." [3] Such marriages are aimed primarily at meeting the needs of young Muslims in the West, who are influenced by male-female relations around them but who want their relationships to have religious legitimacy.

continued
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA29106

stfu

n stop posting this baseless shit

[mr ajnabi]

thx bro...some ppl need not to be so ignorant and oughta research...but bloody hell...this fellow here just tries to find things against Islam that are more like human innovations and not the True Islam...what he has mentioned is infact a custom derived within the people...show me where in the Quran it has been said that this particular way of marriage or these intentions for marrying are allowed???

he also brings up Polygamy in Islam...well mate in Islam it's true you're allowed up to have 4 wives but with that come certain conditions, circumstances, and criterias under which you're permitted to marry...The foremost important thing being the consent of your 1st wife...there are whole lot of another details regarding this issue which i'd rather not indulge in...but i hope he gets the point....

RELIGION IS NOT THE ONE TO BE BLAMED

nice . :)


Also fratty about muslims having up to 4 wives ..

Ill explain -

During the strong hold of Islam ' there were several problems and muslim had to strive and when the men had to go out to fight along with the last Prophet , many would die in martyrdom on the battlefield .

Hence : You end up with many widows - So the last prophet (p.b.u.h) :) said that since there are so many widows here .... let you men have up to 4 wives so you can provide for them and their childrens .

Its not common in today's society to have 4 wives but if you do increase it up to that number ' we were told to treat them all with equality and respect .

Thats the Beauty which you think is horrid ! :love:

[out1aw]

this fratty is a knob head

[kool05]

well said Mr.Ajnabi

we need people in here to chill out and approach this issue in a more sensible manner rather than getting enraged by the threads posted by Fratty...

Our Beloved Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) wouldn't be happy if he saw us being barbaric towards another human being...so it's better to take a more cooler and calmer approach to erase these misconceptions about Islam otherwise it only leads to what you me and everybody else is seeing...the decay of real Islam

[NYzNiCCa]

well said Mr.Ajnabi

we need people in here to chill out and approach this issue in a more sensible manner rather than getting enraged by the threads posted by Fratty...

Our Beloved Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) wouldn't be happy if he saw us being barbaric towards another human being...so it's better to take a more cooler and calmer approach to erase these misconceptions about Islam otherwise it only leads to what you me and everybody else is seeing...the decay of real Islam

been there done that....

[kool05]

patience is the key... :D

[NYzNiCCa]

your all idiots

u know exactly why fratty posted this and your falling into his gay little trap like fruit flies

why not ban that fagget?

[fragiledoll]

who made that law???????????????????????????????? some horny man?

[fragiledoll]

thx bro...some ppl need not to be so ignorant and oughta research...but bloody hell...this fellow here just tries to find things against Islam that are more like human innovations and not the True Islam...what he has mentioned is infact a custom derived within the people...show me where in the Quran it has been said that this particular way of marriage or these intentions for marrying are allowed???

he also brings up Polygamy in Islam...well mate in Islam it's true you're allowed up to have 4 wives but with that come certain conditions, circumstances, and criterias under which you're permitted to marry...The foremost important thing being the consent of your 1st wife...there are whole lot of another details regarding this issue which i'd rather not indulge in...but i hope he gets the point....

RELIGION IS NOT THE ONE TO BE BLAMED

a man is to be blamed who has horny hormones.. ( ihate to hear such contracts are been made!

[Madrion]

why not ban that fagget?

how many would u ban?the WHOLE non-muslim crowd of RD?u ban him someone else is gonna bring up these issues.....the problem lies and does not dissapear because u ban others who are willing to raise a finger.....why dont u all go make a muslim site and go "Hail Allah" and no one would ever disturb u?being on a diverse site means that u encounter every kind of person....

now let me go on to the point about Krishna since u sooo intelligently brought it up....He had 8 wives, 16000 consorts....Now theres two ways u go about this....either u take the story as mythology or u believe it actually happend in the past......

If you take it mythologically, then the reason he had 16000 consorts was that these were alll rishis in their previous life who mediated on God for thousands of years and when He finally did appear, they were sooo mistified by His beauty that they all wanted to marry him...symbolic to union with the Ultimate reality...so they were all reborn to be Krishnas consorts...

Of course one could choose to believe that this actaully happened or take it as a Story and try to take the message from it....Even if u do believe this actually happened, Krishna was with ALL 16000 consorts and 8 wives at the SAME TIME...are u able to do that?hmm...dint think so.....so NO NO one has the RIGHT to have multiple wives NOT in Hinduism and NOT in Islam....women dont always need to be taken care of....many a times, they are underestimated and can take care of themselves....

[mr ajnabi]

patience is the key... :D

Indeed ' Our victory will come 1 day .

Let these people in power (bush/blair) enjoy their position which they abuse .

Let muppets like Fratty mock Islam to the fullest .

Then watch the heads drop ' when a man named Mhadi comes to our world . :love: . Patience.

[Madrion]

Indeed ' Our victory will come 1 day .

Let these people in power (bush/blair) enjoy their position which they abuse .

Let muppets like Fratty mock Islam to the fullest .

Then watch the heads drop ' when a man named Mhadi comes to our world . :love: . Patience.

violence even on an occasion when u consider something great would happen...violence is just INSEEEPED into the blood ...its just NOT possible to even SEE the peaceful allusions of Islam when people like u go around propaganding such nonsense

[mr ajnabi]

violence even on an occasion when u consider something great would happen...violence is just INSEEEPED into the blood ...its just NOT possible to even SEE the peaceful allusions of Islam when people like u go around propaganding such nonsense

:rofl: when i meant the heads drop.

I meant in shame and not completely chopped off.

:giggle:

[mr ajnabi]

Btw a man rising above all - Imam mhadi .

That part was not a joke . :neutral:

[Madrion]

Btw a man rising above all - Imam mhadi .

That part was not a joke . :neutral:

whatever...sure u can believe it...ok i give u that freedom......but u know as well as i do that u actually DID refer to heads rolling as the DEATH of all infidels.....non-believers.....whatever u want to call them.....and u r deviating from the topic......

Polygamy was justified by you and many others by the fact that at one point(i dont even know if that is true but lets assume that it is) the female :male ratio was very large.....Now i tell u...The problem in MANY developing countries is a sex imbalance with MANY more males....so according to you and/or Islam females should be allowed to have multiple husbands then....right?no?

[Madrion]

cat got everyones tongues?thought so

[mr ajnabi]

You sound tangled up - deep breath .

Now and i dont support violence . I believe if a terrorist is about to take innocent lives in a crowd he should be shot dead.

How-ever i believe if 1 is to stand up and protect his banner against all hate - thats where i fit in.

[Madrion]

You sound tangled up - deep breath .

Now and i dont support violence . I believe if a terrorist is about to take innocent lives in a crowd he should be shot dead.

How-ever i believe if 1 is to stand up and protect his banner against all hate - thats where i fit in.

LOL!!!!DONT u see?violence AGAIN!!u keep saying u dont support it but in the same sentece u propound it regardless of WHO it is...dude stop u r only going to sound stupid after that

[Madrion]

AND u dint address my other point

[mr ajnabi]

LOL!!!!DONT u see?violence AGAIN!!u keep saying u dont support it but in the same sentece u propound it regardless of WHO it is...dude stop u r only going to sound stupid after that

:neutral: '' 2 save 1 life is like saving humanity ''. (holy qur'an).

So if a evil man trying to blow up a train with his hands on a bomb trigger' and i had a chance to kill him i would.

btw your getting over excited and making yourself look silly.

Lmfao.

[foreverconfused]

Polygamy was justified by you and many others by the fact that at one point(i dont even know if that is true but lets assume that it is) the female :male ratio was very large.....Now i tell u...The problem in MANY developing countries is a sex imbalance with MANY more males....so according to you and/or Islam females should be allowed to have multiple husbands then....right?no?

It might be more worthwhile to criticize practices that are leading to the persecution of dissenting groups... and there are plenty of these in Islamic countries (no offense to anyone here).

Issues involving polygamy should really left to society, since it's all so heavily dependent on cultural context.

[Madrion]

It might be more worthwhile to criticize practices that are leading to the persecution of dissenting groups... and there are plenty of these in Islamic countries (no offense to anyone here).

Issues involving polygamy should really left to society, since it's all so heavily dependent on cultural context.

fair enough......i am just refuting the ideology of how "beautiful" the practice of male polygamy is being made out by justification of some nonsense crap when we all know it is basically once again male dominance and fulfilling the male sexual desire.......and making it legal to have many different women....i see NOTHING but selfish filthy motives in the legality of polygamy......

[Madrion]

of course some dumbass is now gonna come out and say the Quran is perfect and we dont question it no matter what....u know if u ask me THTA in itself is the main problem with the world not just islam.....to follow ANY faith blind-foldedly without questioning anything at all is just fool-hardy....

[dandiwal_jatt]

fratty needs to get off the dick of muslims!