I am going to swear an Oath in front of you all

[Space-Cowboy]

First off let me say, that I'm quite the meat lover .

But here is my Eternal Oath:

But if/when, I'm married to a wife who is in fact a vegetarian, I will never bring any meat products into the house and I will never eat meat or any meat products in the house. Nor will I ever touch any said products whenever I'm with her, nor will I lust after any meat products or even look at meat what so ever.

If I'm outside with my buddies, and steak is to be consumed, then so be it, and will be consumed in the multitude,

[I]but INSIDE the house, inside our home, out of respect for my loving wife, the ONLY thing I'll ever eat is rice, lentil, and gigantic amounts of protein powder.

That is my Oath....... and so I have spoken,

And so shall be done!
:idea:

[desi_uk_jatt]

:clap:

[illomatic]

ok kool.

so back to wasting more of my time on rd....

[bad_cheque]

Do you have someone specific on your mind?

Can we call this a love letter of yours?

A contract for love ;)

[Space-Cowboy]

Do you have someone specific on your mind?

Can we call this a love letter of yours?

A contract for love ;)


:slap2:







P.S.: I don't dicuss those kinds of details on the forums. ;)

:love:

[madam_jade]

So I guess oral sex is out.

[Geezer]

What kind of half-assed oath is this babes? Either go the whole nine yards or dont bother :p you're still gonna eat beef with your buddies as well :no:

[Space-Cowboy]

So I guess oral sex is out.


Fair enough, someone had to make a fellatio joke.

[bad_cheque]

I have to have my chicken and fish. Plus no beef even if she is used to eating beef.

[madam_jade]

Fair enough, someone had to make a fellatio joke.


I made damn sure it was me. :cheers:

[Space-Cowboy]

What kind of half-assed oath is this babes? Either go the whole nine yards or dont bother :p you're still gonna eat beef with your buddies as well :no:


It's not about giving up meat for personal reasons, it's about giving up meat for my wife's comfort. So if I'm not around her, it doesn't apply, so with my buddies, sure why not? But if my wife's there, then no, I won't touch it one bit.

keke

[Space-Cowboy]

I'm going to teabag you all :mad:

[Space-Cowboy]

And I still hate FedEx :mad:

[NYGujjuGirl]

First off let me say, that I'm quite the meat lover .

But here is my Eternal Oath:

But if/when, I'm married to a wife who is in fact a vegetarian, I will never bring any meat products into the house and I will never eat meat or any meat products in the house. Nor will I ever touch any said products whenever I'm with her, nor will I lust after any meat products or even look at meat what so ever.

If I'm outside with my buddies, and steak is to be consumed, then so be it, and will be consumed in the multitude,

[I]but INSIDE the house, inside our home, out of respect for my loving wife, the ONLY thing I'll ever eat is rice, lentil, and gigantic amounts of protein powder.

That is my Oath....... and so I have spoken,

And so shall be done!
:idea:



awwwwwwwww
that is so sweet!
:hug:

[NYGujjuGirl]

And I still hate FedEx :mad:


lolz
:hug:

[-sgt-]

its gonna be hard man :|

meat is lik a daily product for me :lol:

[NeRgYz]

what???.......but wht about ur favorite shutki maach???

[Space-Cowboy]

what???.......but wht about ur favorite shutki maach???


:dunno:

:p

[nmguy20]

Ya maan.

[notoriou$punjabi]

you know what teabaggin means ?

[Rogue]

First off let me say, that I'm quite the meat lover .

But here is my Eternal Oath:

But if/when, I'm married to a wife who is in fact a vegetarian, I will never bring any meat products into the house and I will never eat meat or any meat products in the house. Nor will I ever touch any said products whenever I'm with her, nor will I lust after any meat products or even look at meat what so ever.

If I'm outside with my buddies, and steak is to be consumed, then so be it, and will be consumed in the multitude,

[i]but INSIDE the house, inside our home, out of respect for my loving wife, the ONLY thing I'll ever eat is rice, lentil, and gigantic amounts of protein powder.

That is my Oath....... and so I have spoken,

And so shall be done!
:idea:i hope my future husband (if he happens to have a taste for non veg) would be just as respectful and loving as you :love:

i think just to surprise him once in a blue moon, i wouldn't mind preparing a non veg dish or something.

[Space-Cowboy]

Do you have someone specific on your mind?

Can we call this a love letter of yours?

A contract for love ;)


:mad: here I'll give you a hint, she's not Hindu.


:Oops:

[Love_Baby]

First off let me say, that I'm quite the meat lover .

But here is my Eternal Oath:

But if/when, I'm married to a wife who is in fact a vegetarian, I will never bring any meat products into the house and I will never eat meat or any meat products in the house. Nor will I ever touch any said products whenever I'm with her, nor will I lust after any meat products or even look at meat what so ever.

If I'm outside with my buddies, and steak is to be consumed, then so be it, and will be consumed in the multitude,

[I]but INSIDE the house, inside our home, out of respect for my loving wife, the ONLY thing I'll ever eat is rice, lentil, and gigantic amounts of protein powder.

That is my Oath....... and so I have spoken,

And so shall be done!
:idea:


wtff be a man

y r u gona give up ur lifestyle for sum hoe? lol

trust me i wud say the same if u were a girl sayin it for ur husband

[Felonius Monk]

Dumbass

[Space-Cowboy]

wtff be a man

y r u gona give up ur lifestyle for sum hoe? lol

trust me i wud say the same if u were a girl sayin it for ur husband

A sign of respect. Choice of food is not a 'lifestyle'.

[poetichustla]

what about those cold lonely nights?

.....


are you still going to beat the meat?

[harvey_mayway]

hummm geezer right,,,


its easy giving up somthin in the house, cause whenever your in need, you can go to Mcdonalds.. :neutral:

[harvey_mayway]

:mad: here I'll give you a hint, she's not Hindu.


:Oops:


punjabi.... :neutral:

[Space-Cowboy]

punjabi.... :neutral:


head south

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

head south
Guju? Jain?

[Space-Cowboy]

Guju? Jain?

:idea:

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

:idea:
haha was I right or wrong?

[bad_cheque]

Dumbass
Co-sign :D

[bad_cheque]

:idea:
Go for a bengali girl. She would make nice maach!

[Space-Cowboy]

haha was I right or wrong?

:idea:

[Cunard]

http://www.dhl.ca/dhl_images/left_nav/dhl_ca_logo.gif :dance3:

[raja_jrps]

y are u doing it for your wife?
not your beliefs?

[bad_cheque]

What's the deal with FedEx and DHL here? :sarb:

[Space-Cowboy]

y are u doing it for your wife?
not your beliefs?


...... beliefs??? :sarb:

I don't 'believe' I'm a meat eater..... I just eat meat cuz it's good for me.... cuz I need the protein................. but I suppose if you have protein powder and a healthy diet of lentil and beans.... you'd probably end up getting MORE protein in your diet than meat... :sarb: ??


People don't understand that there are things you can do to show your devotion and loyalty to a woman with out it crossing the limits of your spiritual beliefs.... that's what's wrong with many cultures today, don't you think? :sarb: Am I wrong? :sarb:

[OYE_PAGAL]

Kya :-s

[BoO bOo]

First off let me say, that I'm quite the meat lover .

But here is my Eternal Oath:

But if/when, I'm married to a wife who is in fact a vegetarian, I will never bring any meat products into the house and I will never eat meat or any meat products in the house. Nor will I ever touch any said products whenever I'm with her, nor will I lust after any meat products or even look at meat what so ever.

If I'm outside with my buddies, and steak is to be consumed, then so be it, and will be consumed in the multitude,

[I]but INSIDE the house, inside our home, out of respect for my loving wife, the ONLY thing I'll ever eat is rice, lentil, and gigantic amounts of protein powder.

That is my Oath....... and so I have spoken,

And so shall be done!
:idea:
aww ur gona make a great husband!

[raja_jrps]

...... beliefs??? :sarb:

I don't 'believe' I'm a meat eater..... I just eat meat cuz it's good for me.... cuz I need the protein................. but I suppose if you have protein powder and a healthy diet of lentil and beans.... you'd probably end up getting MORE protein in your diet than meat... :sarb: ??


People don't understand that there are things you can do to show your devotion and loyalty to a woman with out it crossing the limits of your spiritual beliefs.... that's what's wrong with many cultures today, don't you think? :sarb: Am I wrong? :sarb:
i meant in terms or religion
arnt u hindu?

[chiquita]

Wow… that's really respectful; you would make a good husband!
haha I am sure she will show you how grateful she is in her own way :D

[vgirl]

First off let me say, that I'm quite the meat lover .

But here is my Eternal Oath:

But if/when, I'm married to a wife who is in fact a vegetarian, I will never bring any meat products into the house and I will never eat meat or any meat products in the house. Nor will I ever touch any said products whenever I'm with her, nor will I lust after any meat products or even look at meat what so ever.

If I'm outside with my buddies, and steak is to be consumed, then so be it, and will be consumed in the multitude,

[I]but INSIDE the house, inside our home, out of respect for my loving wife, the ONLY thing I'll ever eat is rice, lentil, and gigantic amounts of protein powder.

That is my Oath....... and so I have spoken,

And so shall be done!
:idea:
i really respect that. it's great that you are willing to show your wife love and respect in such a way, by respecting her beliefs in that manner.
eating meat isn't a lifestyle, its just something people do for nutritional purposes a lot of the time, and if giving it up at home and around your future wife will make her happy then kudos to u :)

[longjohnsilver]

I was vegetarian for a whole year... then I went to paris and got pissed with the lack of veg food and turned into an evil carnivore... now I'm vege... again... who knows when the tide might turn... whatever anyone says, I know we [humans] weren't supposed to eat meat after losing our tails... science and religion aside, it's morally wrong...how the fuck would someone like it if I ate their ear for breakfast? :D

http://entertainmenttoons.com/hannibal/hannibal.jpg

[yaara]

so r u lookin for a vegetarian wife on RD?

[Space-Cowboy]

Kya :-s

hua :-s

[Space-Cowboy]

Wow… that's really respectful; you would make a good husband!
haha I am sure she will show you how grateful she is in her own way :D


:slap: go cook me something, I'm hungry




:firedevi:

[Space-Cowboy]

i meant in terms or religion
arnt u hindu?


...wha? There are Hindus who are vegeterian if you're asking me :p


....... there's vegetarians in every religion :p

[ragdoll.]

unless ur hott no one givez a shit

[gurl_exotica]

cuuuuuute!! :hug:

[raja_jrps]

...wha? There are Hindus who are vegeterian if you're asking me :p


....... there's vegetarians in every religion :p

hindus r not allowed meat. correct?

[:0(-_-)0: mirchi]

hindus r not allowed meat. correct?
theres no real rule, cept against eating beef. ure not meant to if ure brahmin.

[Mash007]

what about her meat?

[raja_jrps]

theres no real rule, cept against eating beef. ure not meant to if ure brahmin.
i thot that was a standard rulewith hindus because of the mothers milk idiollogy

[:0(-_-)0: mirchi]

i thot that was a standard rulewith hindus because of the mothers milk idiollogy
not a rule, more a general suggestion.

[Space-Cowboy]

hindus r not allowed meat. correct?


Wha??? I don't know where you got that from, but yes Hindus are allowed to eat meat.. :p

I guess it also depends on the specific sect of Hinduism, there ARE certain sects that don't eat meat.

And I haven't given up meat completely, just not inside the home, and not around my wife :D


And another thing you all need to realize is that just because one eats meat, doesn't mean that they're disrespecting the animal any more than a vegetarian would........ no? :sarb: :sarb:

cuuuuuute!! :hug:

thanks :p

not a rule, more a general suggestion.

And even then, only during certain times...... for example today is Durga puja........ out of respect for my parents and the tradition which Bengals follow, I won't eat meat today.

[:0(-_-)0: mirchi]

did u get ure sn from the song?

[Space-Cowboy]

so r u lookin for a vegetarian wife on RD?


no, .... I'm looking for a vegetarian husband, get it right!! :rolleyes:

[Space-Cowboy]

http://www.dhl.ca/dhl_images/left_nav/dhl_ca_logo.gif :dance3:


I need to look through some Sikh scriptures as well, but is it true/false that when a Sikh is baptized, they too have to give up meat? :sarb:

[Space-Cowboy]

I was vegetarian for a whole year... then I went to paris and got pissed with the lack of veg food and turned into an evil carnivore... now I'm vege... again... who knows when the tide might turn... whatever anyone says, I know we [humans] weren't supposed to eat meat after losing our tails... science and religion aside, it's morally wrong...how the fuck would someone like it if I ate their ear for breakfast? :D

http://entertainmenttoons.com/hannibal/hannibal.jpg


I don't think you can really pick and choose one. If you're vegetarian, you're one for life, if you break the rule, you're not. :|


Which is why, my oath stated nothing about being a vegetarian, just about not having any meat when I'm around her or at the house....

[Space-Cowboy]

hummm geezer right,,,


its easy giving up somthin in the house, cause whenever your in need, you can go to Mcdonalds.. :neutral:


I call bullshit on that ;)..... make an oath... try it.... just give something up around the house... it's not so easy.

[notoriou$punjabi]

whats with you describing Hinduism as Pluralism here n there? All the sects were started by Hindu Gurus (not only Brahmans) who first devoted themselves to being spritual & then spread the word among their Shisyas-Sikhs-Talibans-Students. Everything they explained in personal fashions was derived from Hinduism. Eating meat is not allowed anywhere. Cows are generally respected and if your mom happened to teach you not to eat beef then you must not make the mistake of associating with a scripture.

In SD there is a thread about Vedic philosophy gone wrong. Raj Yagnas, Ashwamedha and Tantra are not applicapble for the common folk. There are various techniques taught in the Vedas for humans to gain super natural powers. However these do not lead to salvation or Moksha. STaying vegitarian has all the psychological effects on oneself rather than physical weakness. Lets not mix our 3rd grade science class notes with the Vedas.

FYI even Sikhs are supposed to be Vegitarian.

feel free to ask around

[x_desigal_xx]

that's sweet of you.

i'm a vegeterian, but have no problem with my family eating meat

[xbadkarmax]

I'm already going to one up you. If my wife, or the person I am with does not eat meat and does not feel comfortable around it, I will quit entirely. I have done so in the past with a girlfriend, so doing so in a marriage is fine. But that is if she is not comfortable, since I would also be kissing her (duh) =)

[Walktheline]

Just give it up all together if she's jain. I'm assuming she's jain.

[Spiky]

Who cares what she does...I am going to make her make me meat dishes. My sister prepares all kinds of chicken dishes and she doesnt even eat egg.

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Good on you man! :). Its gonna be a slow process, but im sure you will get there.

[chiquita]

:slap: go cook me something, I'm hungry




:firedevi:
hahah what would you like fatty? :o
and ask nicely! :mad:

[chiquita]

no, .... I'm looking for a vegetarian husband, get it right!! :rolleyes:
I found a hot guy for you... He likes to be teebaged :p

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

whats with you describing Hinduism as Pluralism here n there? All the sects were started by Hindu Gurus (not only Brahmans) who first devoted themselves to being spritual & then spread the word among their Shisyas-Sikhs-Talibans-Students. Everything they explained in personal fashions was derived from Hinduism. Eating meat is not allowed anywhere. Cows are generally respected and if your mom happened to teach you not to eat beef then you must not make the mistake of associating with a scripture.

In SD there is a thread about Vedic philosophy gone wrong. Raj Yagnas, Ashwamedha and Tantra are not applicapble for the common folk. There are various techniques taught in the Vedas for humans to gain super natural powers. However these do not lead to salvation or Moksha. STaying vegitarian has all the psychological effects on oneself rather than physical weakness. Lets not mix our 3rd grade science class notes with the Vedas.

FYI even Sikhs are supposed to be Vegitarian.

feel free to ask around

Those sects were started by Gurus who had their own interpretation of the Vedic Scriptures. Different Gurus had different interpretations, which is why some sects eat meat, some dont.

Theres no Right or Wrong in Hinduism. Thers no DO THIS or DONT DO THAT in Hinduism. The emphasis on not eating beef is because its more of a cultural thing. Back in the days the Cow fed the whole village with its milk. The cow was a good mother. The cow was a sign of wealth. So with time, this Cultural aspect became affiliated with Hinduism and people starting believing that it was indeed a part of the religion, which it is not.

But anyways, if you believe we shouldnt eat meat, then dont eat it.

Oh yeah, Sikhs are allowed to eat meat.

[Space-Cowboy]

I'm already going to one up you. If my wife, or the person I am with does not eat meat and does not feel comfortable around it, I will quit entirely. I have done so in the past with a girlfriend, so doing so in a marriage is fine. But that is if she is not comfortable, since I would also be kissing her (duh) =)


I'll brush my teeth regularly, I doubt kissing is gonna be a problem :p

But I can't adjust the Oath now... I've already declared it, it's set in stone.. :sarb:


Good on you man! . Its gonna be a slow process, but im sure you will get there.

It's only a slow process for those who are weak willed. [Humans, are, by nature, weak]. For me, I should have no problem going cold turkey.

[Space-Cowboy]

Those sects were started by Gurus who had their own interpretation of the Vedic Scriptures. Different Gurus had different interpretations, which is why some sects eat meat, some dont.

Theres no Right or Wrong in Hinduism. Thers no DO THIS or DONT DO THAT in Hinduism. The emphasis on not eating beef is because its more of a cultural thing. Back in the days the Cow fed the whole village with its milk. The cow was a good mother. The cow was a sign of wealth. So with time, this Cultural aspect became affiliated with Hinduism and people starting believing that it was indeed a part of the religion, which it is not.

But anyways, if you believe we shouldnt eat meat, then dont eat it.


Thank you! At least someone understands the concepts in Hinduism!

[Space-Cowboy]

whats with you describing Hinduism as Pluralism here n there? All the sects were started by Hindu Gurus (not only Brahmans) who first devoted themselves to being spritual & then spread the word among their Shisyas-Sikhs-Talibans-Students. Everything they explained in personal fashions was derived from Hinduism. Eating meat is not allowed anywhere. Cows are generally respected and if your mom happened to teach you not to eat beef then you must not make the mistake of associating with a scripture.

In SD there is a thread about Vedic philosophy gone wrong. Raj Yagnas, Ashwamedha and Tantra are not applicapble for the common folk. There are various techniques taught in the Vedas for humans to gain super natural powers. However these do not lead to salvation or Moksha. STaying vegitarian has all the psychological effects on oneself rather than physical weakness. Lets not mix our 3rd grade science class notes with the Vedas.
FYI even Sikhs are supposed to be Vegitarian.

feel free to ask around

Don't talk about things you know nothing of. :idea:

The 'techniques' you speak of are all on a metaphorical/mythological level, and have nothing to do with Vedic Philosophy itself.

[notoriou$punjabi]

ndn state ofmind

Sikhs arent allowed to eat meat. Go ask an Amritdhari.

I know the cultural aspects and the respect cows are viewed with... KaamDhenu >? heard of that ?

There are no Do's n Don'ts in the Vedas. Humans are left upto choose what they want and accordingly their Karmas are repaid.
N thats where the Caste system kicks in. Caste system as we see it now is nothing but for the sole purposes of claiming Dowry. Among hindus and sikhs aswell.

As individuals we choose our own caste depending on our actions.

Cowboy you shouldnt be ashamed of accepting a mistake ever.

[Madrion]

well....i am vegetarian and my girlfriends white....and she already does that....even though we have a few years before we get married.....and she doesnt eat it even WITHOUT me......she turned completely vegetarian when she found i was even without me asking....now THAT is some devotion

[notoriou$punjabi]

Don't talk about things you know nothing of. :idea:

The 'techniques' you speak of are all on a metaphorical/mythological level, and have nothing to do with Vedic Philosophy itself.
Whatever is past your comprehension should not be ruled out. If your grandfather was a sage then automatically his qualities are in you. Work it out in your head and make that connection.

thats all i cud tell ya so far

[Space-Cowboy]

ndn state ofmind

Sikhs arent allowed to eat meat. Go ask an Amritdhari.

I know the cultural aspects and the respect cows are viewed with... KaamDhenu >? heard of that ?

There are no Do's n Don'ts in the Vedas. Humans are left upto choose what they want and accordingly their Karmas are repaid.
N thats where the Caste system kicks in. Caste system as we see it now is nothing but for the sole purposes of claiming Dowry. Among hindus and sikhs aswell.

As individuals we choose our own caste depending on our actions.

Cowboy you shouldnt be ashamed of accepting a mistake ever.


I'm not, where the hell are you getting this from?

And no, the 'caste system' is not for 'repaying karmas' either. VARNAS existed as a SOCIETAL break up of occupation for people, [by CHOICE OF ACTION OF THEIR OWN] to choose said occupation to practice karam yug.


This thread has nothing to do with religion........ or even spirituality. It's SOLELY on my part, on the grounds of respect for spouse. :idea:


Why do all you people have to turn EVERY moral choice into a religious issue, it's NOT the same thing.

[Space-Cowboy]

well....i am vegetarian and my girlfriends white....and she already does that....even though we have a few years before we get married.....and she doesnt eat it even WITHOUT me......she turned completely vegetarian when she found i was even without me asking....now THAT is some devotion

I respect her choice :salut:

Did you ask her to or did she do this on her own?

[notoriou$punjabi]

I'm not, where the hell are you getting this from?

And no, the 'caste system' is not for 'repaying karmas' either. VARNAS existed as a SOCIETAL break up of occupation for people, [by CHOICE OF ACTION OF THEIR OWN] to choose said occupation to practice karam yug.


This thread has nothing to do with religion........ or even spirituality. It's SOLELY on my part, on the grounds of respect for spouse. :idea:


Why do all you people have to turn EVERY moral choice into a religious issue, it's NOT the same thing.
I do respect your moral choice in this case. Its only human not to torcher a vegitarian by constantly smelling like meat around her.


Lets get back to meat is allowed in hinduism or Vedas.

Have you read Srimad Bhagwat Gita ?

get an english copy n get goin

[Madrion]

I respect her choice :salut:

Did you ask her to or did she do this on her own?

lol u dint read my post fully?i never asked her to be one....i am brahmin so i was a vegetarian my whole life and will be vegetarian forever......and when she found that out she gave it all up completely...i never asked her ONE time

[Space-Cowboy]

I do respect your moral choice in this case. Its only human not to torcher a vegitarian by constantly smelling like meat around her.


Lets get back to meat is allowed in hinduism or Vedas.
Have you read Srimad Bhagwat Gita ?

get an english copy n get goin


I won't speak for Hinduism, but let's talk about the Vedas.

There's nothing that's 'allowed' or 'disallowed'..

There's 'Vedas' and Vedic Philosophy practiced by the common man, and Vedic Philosophy for the one seeking Nirvana. ..... and when you're at the Nirvanic stage..... or have the intent to reach thereof.... at that point, meat eating would not be a fruitful action.

For the common man..... meat eating is still there.



Now.... Hinduism...... I'll post that LATER.

[notoriou$punjabi]

I won't speak for Hinduism, but let's talk about the Vedas.

There's nothing that's 'allowed' or 'disallowed'..

There's 'Vedas' and Vedic Philosophy practiced by the common man, and Vedic Philosophy for the one seeking Nirvana. ..... and when you're at the Nirvanic stage..... or have the intent to reach thereof.... at that point, meat eating would not be a fruitful action.

For the common man..... meat eating is still there.



Now.... Hinduism...... I'll post that LATER.
hinduism is the name give by outsiders.

India was always run according to the Vedic philosophy. I do recall exactly when the Vedic Teachings started kicking in your head n you posted about it.

n this nothing allowed or disallowed business ive already clarifed in the previous post.

We pick our level/caste/occupation etc.

N you calling most things mythological is a totally biased n one sided western view of Hinduism/vedas.

You do realise the Vedas were written by Rishis during their TAPASYA. Basically the divine knowledge about so many different topics that its even hard to keep track of it.

[Madrion]

I do respect your moral choice in this case. Its only human not to torcher a vegitarian by constantly smelling like meat around her.


Lets get back to meat is allowed in hinduism or Vedas.

Have you read Srimad Bhagwat Gita ?

get an english copy n get goin

let me tell u one thing......hinduism is Extremely diverse....Lets take teh mainstream one that everyone knows about adn stuff.....in that ONLY brahmins are not allowed to eat meat because by profession they were priests....anyone else was allowed to eat anything.....of course as explained the beef part was a cultural thing.....However, this is not all of hinduism....In tantrism, which is also very much part of hinduism, the embrace the five M's ...... Meat, Fish, Sex, Alcohol, Drugs....but with COMPLETEL detachment to everything......if ur level of consciousness has reached to such a state that when u eat meat, u see no difference between that and ANY other thing, then its perfectly fine....its the same ideology with idols.....without meditation, without that higher level of consciousness, idolsare just that.....stones with no life....but if u can train ur mind to focus your mind on that idol, then that idol woiuld be god or any other force.....in the same sense YOU yourself could also be god....

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

ndn state ofmind

Sikhs arent allowed to eat meat. Go ask an Amritdhari.

I know the cultural aspects and the respect cows are viewed with... KaamDhenu >? heard of that ?

There are no Do's n Don'ts in the Vedas. Humans are left upto choose what they want and accordingly their Karmas are repaid.
N thats where the Caste system kicks in. Caste system as we see it now is nothing but for the sole purposes of claiming Dowry. Among hindus and sikhs aswell.

As individuals we choose our own caste depending on our actions.

Cowboy you shouldnt be ashamed of accepting a mistake ever.

Amritdharis do eat meat. They only eat Jhatka meat. Sikhs are forbidden from eating Halal meat.

And No thats not where the Caste System kicks in. The caste system is the complete contradiction of the Vedas. Its a raped n manipulated form of Varna(occupation) system.

And Sikhism completely rejects the caste system(as does Hinduism).

[Madrion]

let me tell u one thing......hinduism is Extremely diverse....Lets take teh mainstream one that everyone knows about adn stuff.....in that ONLY brahmins are not allowed to eat meat because by profession they were priests....anyone else was allowed to eat anything.....of course as explained the beef part was a cultural thing.....However, this is not all of hinduism....In tantrism, which is also very much part of hinduism, the embrace the five M's ...... Meat, Fish, Sex, Alcohol, Drugs....but with COMPLETEL detachment to everything......if ur level of consciousness has reached to such a state that when u eat meat, u see no difference between that and ANY other thing, then its perfectly fine....its the same ideology with idols.....without meditation, without that higher level of consciousness, idolsare just that.....stones with no life....but if u can train ur mind to focus your mind on that idol, then that idol woiuld be god or any other force.....in the same sense YOU yourself could also be god....



ok sorry a SLIGHT mistake.....the five M's are: meat(mamsa), fish(matsya), parched rice(mudra), sex(maithuna), wine(madhya)

[notoriou$punjabi]

Amritdharis do eat meat. They only eat Jhatka meat. Sikhs are forbidden from eating Halal meat.And No thats not where the Caste System kicks in. The caste system is the complete contradiction of the Vedas. Its a raped n manipulated form of Varna(occupation) system.
And Sikhism completely rejects the caste system(as does Hinduism).


Amritdharis don't eat meat. Atleast the ones from Punjab dont. Sikhs arent all about drinking daru and eating bakras through out their lifetimes. Sikhs (students) are to learn from the Guru Granth Sahib and with time change their lifestyle and some even cleanse themselves by becoming AmritDharis.


CAste system being manipulated is the Fault of Hindus. Not all hindus are Godly people. Like those fuckers who burn the bride cos the dowry wasnt paid accordingly. But you cannot look at what hindus do and judge the Vedas/Caste System. You should look at the Vedas and compare modern day hindus to the teachings and realise how off track we have gotten.


4 castes

Brahmana - associated with the Head of a human body.(doctors/Judges/astrologers)
Kshatriya- associated with the chest/arms ( muscles) ( fighters/soldiers)
Vaishaya- associated with the reproductive parts ( AS in businessmen- give n take sort of ppl )
Shudras- associated with hands and legs/feet ( as in labor class)

Now all these are just examples for you to understand it better.. dont pick on little things n try to proove a whole different point.

Point being no matter what family you were born in according to your mentality and actions automatically you will pick a caste.

During a lifetime a man can go through 4 castes aswell. Some1 who starts of as a peasant and ends up a Sage.

Rishi Valmiki for example who jotted down the RAMAYANA was a thief before he became a sage.

Those professions i put up there are just to compare the caste system with the modern day occupations considered good or bad. N Yes a doctor can be a Shudra too ( for example that one form UK who killed i dont recall how many patients on purpose)

[notoriou$punjabi]

let me tell u one thing......hinduism is Extremely diverse....Lets take teh mainstream one that everyone knows about adn stuff.....in that ONLY brahmins are not allowed to eat meat because by profession they were priests....anyone else was allowed to eat anything.....of course as explained the beef part was a cultural thing.....However, this is not all of hinduism....In tantrism, which is also very much part of hinduism, the embrace the five M's ...... Meat, Fish, Sex, Alcohol, Drugs....but with COMPLETEL detachment to everything......if ur level of consciousness has reached to such a state that when u eat meat, u see no difference between that and ANY other thing, then its perfectly fine....its the same ideology with idols.....without meditation, without that higher level of consciousness, idolsare just that.....stones with no life....but if u can train ur mind to focus your mind on that idol, then that idol woiuld be god or any other force.....in the same sense YOU yourself could also be god....
i dont have anything to disagree with from your post.


just that dont get yourself confused over Tantra/kama sutra having any religious value to them.

AS i said there are various techniques provided through out the Vedas about several different manners to approach god.

The Bhagwat Gita clearly states .....

Those who pray to ghosts, demi-gods, for hevan etc will attain what they wanted. Those who pray to me (Supreme Lord) will attain me.

Thus you get what you are in for... n so basically what your brain tells you to go after is your VArna/Caste.

A brahmans brain wouldnt really allow him to open up a liquor store for business. If he has done so then automatically fallen to the level of a businessman

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

NOtorious punjabi:

I know Sikhs can eat meat. I know Sikhs cant drink. Thas just based on what Ive been told in the gurdwara(i used to pray there cuz there wasnt a mandir nearby when I was young).

But About the caste system: Is it mentioned in the Vedas? The Varna System is, but is the Caste System?

[Space-Cowboy]

hinduism is the name give by outsiders.

India was always run according to the Vedic philosophy. I do recall exactly when the Vedic Teachings started kicking in your head n you posted about it.

n this nothing allowed or disallowed business ive already clarifed in the previous post.

We pick our level/caste/occupation etc.

N you calling most things mythological is a totally biased n one sided western view of Hinduism/vedas.

You do realise the Vedas were written by Rishis during their TAPASYA. Basically the divine knowledge about so many different topics that its even hard to keep track of it.

No it wasn't, it was run by corrupt Brahmins who twisted the meaning of the Vedas and Vedic Philosophy for their own selfish ends. And I DO realise the Vedas were written by Rishis..... but again, the message in the Vedas.. the REAL message, as well as the ones in the Gita, were twisted by corrupt Brahmins..... who would not even let the others near the scriptures [in order to hide the fact that they were twisting the messages for their own ends].

The message of the Gita..... and the message of the Vedas, and Vedic Philosophy hasn't changed in the last 5000+ years...........

The corruption of the Brahmins however HAVE changed. Over time, the Brahmins became more corrupt...... and only recently, as of 400 years ago have they started changing their ways back to the path of truth again.

[Madrion]

No it wasn't, it was run by corrupt Brahmins who twisted the meaning of the Vedas and Vedic Philosophy for their own selfish ends. And I DO realise the Vedas were written by Rishis..... but again, the message in the Vedas.. the REAL message, as well as the ones in the Gita, were twisted by corrupt Brahmins..... who would not even let the others near the scriptures [in order to hide the fact that they were twisting the messages for their own ends].

The message of the Gita..... and the message of the Vedas, and Vedic Philosophy hasn't changed in the last 5000+ years...........

The corruption of the Brahmins however HAVE changed. Over time, the Brahmins became more corrupt...... and only recently, as of 400 years ago have they started changing their ways back to the path of truth again.



although i DO agree with you that the caste system is the way it is today due to societal flaws, it is hard for me to imagine that brahmins were the only ones reponsible....because lets admit it....they are just weak priests...as opposed to the KINGS.....i think it was both the ksatriya and brahmin class that manipulated whatever was thought, created a hierarchy.....and thus born the caste system of today.....as a pure division of labor with no hierarchy, i think it is perfect.

[notoriou$punjabi]

No it wasn't, it was run by corrupt Brahmins who twisted the meaning of the Vedas and Vedic Philosophy for their own selfish ends. And I DO realise the Vedas were written by Rishis..... but again, the message in the Vedas.. the REAL message, as well as the ones in the Gita, were twisted by corrupt Brahmins..... who would not even let the others near the scriptures [in order to hide the fact that they were twisting the messages for their own ends].

The message of the Gita..... and the message of the Vedas, and Vedic Philosophy hasn't changed in the last 5000+ years...........

The corruption of the Brahmins however HAVE changed. Over time, the Brahmins became more corrupt...... and only recently, as of 400 years ago have they started changing their ways back to the path of truth again.
the Content was never twisted.

The way the taught it was just beneficial for them but it does not mean the teachings are incorrect.

however I see you didnt take any time to ponder n just replied outta your ass.

So lets call it quits.

[notoriou$punjabi]

NOtorious punjabi:

I know Sikhs can eat meat. I know Sikhs cant drink. Thas just based on what Ive been told in the gurdwara(i used to pray there cuz there wasnt a mandir nearby when I was young).

But About the caste system: Is it mentioned in the Vedas? The Varna System is, but is the Caste System?
Caste is an english word. VARNAs are still very much functional in the Indian society.

ASk a jatt sikh girl to find out from her mom the views of her marrying a Chamaar.

^
i wouldnt have any probs.... however what i am implying is that ppl can never stop thinking otherwise.

[Space-Cowboy]

the Content was never twisted.

The way the taught it was just beneficial for them but it does not mean the teachings are incorrect.

however I see you didnt take any time to ponder n just replied outta your ass.

So lets call it quits.


NO..... the content WAS twisted by Brahmins.... even though the scripts themselves were never twisted [which is why the Brahmins never let anyone else READ the scriptures], the Brahmins DID twist the message..... the fact is you don't know anything about Hinduism or Hindu history, you're the one talking outta your ass. Read a real book before you say anything else. :idea:

[Space-Cowboy]

although i DO agree with you that the caste system is the way it is today due to societal flaws, it is hard for me to imagine that brahmins were the only ones reponsible....because lets admit it....they are just weak priests...as opposed to the KINGS.....i think it was both the ksatriya and brahmin class that manipulated whatever was thought, created a hierarchy.....and thus born the caste system of today.....as a pure division of labor with no hierarchy, i think it is perfect.


The Kings [kshatriya] themselves were oppressive yes.... but only following the lead of the Brahmins..... the 'not so weak' priests would feed them false messages of 'society heirarchy'.... through which, these kings would continue the cycle of oppression.

But he HEART of the culprit were the corrupt group of Brahmins who had the Kings' ear.... and influence.

Think of the Catholic Church during Mideval Europe, and the influence of the Church on each individual nation in Europe at the time..... same principle.

[notoriou$punjabi]

NO..... the content WAS twisted by Brahmins.... even though the scripts themselves were never twisted [which is why the Brahmins never let anyone else READ the scriptures], the Brahmins DID twist the message..... the fact is you don't know anything about Hinduism or Hindu history, you're the one talking outta your ass. Read a real book before you say anything else. :idea:
lol

you need a protein shake now

[Madrion]

The Kings [kshatriya] themselves were oppressive yes.... but only following the lead of the Brahmins..... the 'not so weak' priests would feed them false messages of 'society heirarchy'.... through which, these kings would continue the cycle of oppression.

But he HEART of the culprit were the corrupt group of Brahmins who had the Kings' ear.... and influence.

Think of the Catholic Church during Mideval Europe, and the influence of the Church on each individual nation in Europe at the time..... same principle.

meh...could be...but for the society manipulated caste system by some misguided individuals, hinuism is a perfect religion....in that aspect bhuddhism is too....although it doesnt really teach u how to live a family life....most of it is geared toward nirvana...which not everyone can follow....

[Space-Cowboy]

lol

you need a protein shake now


Yea, and you need to revisit the history of the SubContinent.... starting at approximately 1000 B.C.

[the start of the rise of Brahminism]

[foreverconfused]

Don't talk about things you know nothing of. :idea:

The 'techniques' you speak of are all on a metaphorical/mythological level, and have nothing to do with Vedic Philosophy itself.

I *hesitates* agree with notoriouspunjabi

[notoriou$punjabi]

The Kings [kshatriya] themselves were oppressive yes.... but only following the lead of the Brahmins..... the 'not so weak' priests would feed them false messages of 'society heirarchy'.... through which, these kings would continue the cycle of oppression.

But he HEART of the culprit were the corrupt group of Brahmins who had the Kings' ear.... and influence.

Think of the Catholic Church during Mideval Europe, and the influence of the Church on each individual nation in Europe at the time..... same principle.
I believe Ive mentioned the corruptness a few posts ago

hopefully next time you wont rule out caste classifications & instead mention the brahmans who went out of their ways

So basically they lost their brahmanic mentality by looking into personal benefits.

Which prooves my point that castes have nothing to do with the family you were born in or your last name but the conduct/character of an individual.

<---- Corrupt brahman aswell

[Space-Cowboy]

I *hesitates* agree with notoriouspunjabi


Read my posts after however, you'll see that he's attempting to blend mythology and philosophy haphazardly....... when the mythology ARE meant to be taken SPECIFICALLY in a certain way.... The fact is, the mythology is there to support the Philosophy, not the other way around.

[NYGujjuGirl]

i think itz time u change ur pic

[Space-Cowboy]

I believe Ive mentioned the corruptness a few posts ago

hopefully next time you wont rule out caste classifications & instead mention the brahmans who went out of their ways

So basically there lost their brahmanic mentality by looking into personal benefits.

Which prooves my point that castes have nothing to do with the family you were born in or your last name but the conduct/character of an individual.
<---- Corrupt brahman aswell

This implies that 'Brahmans' are 'superior' to other Varnas.... which they aren't..... you're still twisting it. The second part which I bolded is what *I* have been saying all along. With the addition that no Varna is more important than any other.

[Space-Cowboy]

i think itz time u change ur pic


Why's that? :sarb:

[NYGujjuGirl]

Why's that? :sarb:


lolz
cuz i've seen this one already
and i wanna see another one now

[Space-Cowboy]

lolz
cuz i've seen this one already
and i wanna see another one now


All in good time :cool:

[sikhsta]

u gotta re-paste this oath on your shaadi.com profile

[Space-Cowboy]

*** Just so you know, I"m not incriminating ALL Brahmins of the Ancient SubContinent...... just many of the ones who had influential power over the kings and the kingdoms...... who used said powers for personal status.............. this is AFTER these very Brahmins established a corrupted system of caste heirarchy/heridity [a corrupted system, from the proper way Varnas should have been employed]..... as such.... corruption ensued.

[Space-Cowboy]

u gotta re-paste this oath on your shaadi.com profile


:slap2: Shaadi is for suckers :p

[foreverconfused]

This implies that 'Brahmans' are 'superior' to other Varnas.... which they aren't..... you're still twisting it. The second part which I bolded is what *I* have been saying all along. With the addition that no Varna is more important than any other.

I really don't see how he's twisting anything though.

:sarb:

(Yes I have read through the entire thread).

[NYGujjuGirl]

All in good time :cool:



no no no no
i want it now!
:hyper:

[Space-Cowboy]

I really don't see how he's twisting anything though.

:sarb:

(Yes I have read through the entire thread).


He's implying that there is a 'heirarchy' of Varnas. The fact is there ISN'T. Varnas are 'occupations'... with each one being just as important as the other three.

[Space-Cowboy]

no no no no
i want it now!
:hyper:

Music to my ears... :firedevi: :Pelvic2:

[NYGujjuGirl]

Music to my ears... :firedevi: :Pelvic2:



lolz
why do u only hear what u want to hear?

[Space-Cowboy]

lolz
why do u only hear what u want to hear?


I hear all :cool:

[notoriou$punjabi]

This implies that 'Brahmans' are 'superior' to other Varnas.... which they aren't..... you're still twisting it. The second part which I bolded is what *I* have been saying all along. With the addition that no Varna is more important than any other.
Of course Brahmans are superior. They are the Top Dawgs.


BUT what Ive said is Even a so called Shudra can be a brahmana. ( these Varnas are nothing but the mental state of the individual)

A Brahmana is not some1 born in a brahman family but some1 who follows the Code of Conduct and reaches such high limits.

you dig ?

[Space-Cowboy]

Of course Brahmans are superior. They are the Top Dawgs.
BUT what Ive said is Even a so called Shudra can be a brahmana. ( these Varnas are nothing but the mental state of the individual)

A Brahmana is not some1 born in a brahman family but some1 who follows the Code of Conduct and reaches such high limits.

you dig ?


No, no I don't, a Vedic society has no 'top dawgz'. Brahmins are not superior.... and those who believe they're 'superior' automatically deserve to be cast out of society.

Varnas are not 'mental states' Varnas are essentially 'occupations'.


...... And even following codes of conduct, YOU are not a Brahman... just by the arrogance of declaration of superiority.

No wonder Cunard gets pissed off at you all the time. :idea:

[NYGujjuGirl]

I hear all :cool:


lolz
do u really?
what else do u hear?

[Space-Cowboy]

lolz
do u really?
what else do u hear?


You expect me to tell you all my secrets? :cool:

[NYGujjuGirl]

You expect me to tell you all my secrets? :cool:


well not all
but some!


that way we can get closer

[Space-Cowboy]

well not all
but some!


that way we can get closer


I got other ways of getting 'closer'....


:firedevi::firedevi::firedevi:

[foreverconfused]

He's implying that there is a 'heirarchy' of Varnas. The fact is there ISN'T. Varnas are 'occupations'... with each one being just as important as the other three.

Well it has no birth, racial or ethnic basis to it. The people who claim that are talking out of their ass.

It is solely determined by character. By personal conduct, I am a shudra strictly speaking... but "Brahmin conduct" would lead me closer to ultimately achieving moksha. there is a sort of a heirarchy..

[nas592]

oh for god sake... go n bite on some meat...

[sikhsta]

:slap2: Shaadi is for suckers :p
oh ok mr. when i get a wife ima do watever it takes to get in her salvaar lol

[NYGujjuGirl]

I got other ways of getting 'closer'....


:firedevi::firedevi::firedevi:



no u dont!


:neutral:
do u

[Space-Cowboy]

Well it has no birth, racial or ethnic basis to it. The people who claim that are talking out of their ass.

It is solely determined by character. By personal conduct, I am a shudra strictly speaking... but "Brahmin conduct" would lead me closer to ultimately achieving moksha. there is a sort of a heirarchy..


But that's just it.... I know what conduct you're implying when you say 'Brahmin conduct'... but to say it in such a fashion implies superiority..... call it 'Vedic conduct'... That's more appropriate.

The Varnas are there SPECIFICALLY for Karam Yug..... thus, Brahmin is an 'occupation'...... and CERTAINLY not one which is 'more important' an occupation, than that of a Kshatriya or Sudra, etc.

[notoriou$punjabi]

No, no I don't, a Vedic society has no 'top dawgz'. Brahmins are not superior.... and those who believe they're 'superior' automatically deserve to be cast out of society.

Varnas are not 'mental states' Varnas are essentially 'occupations'.


...... And even following codes of conduct, YOU are not a Brahman... just by the arrogance of declaration of superiority.

No wonder Cunard gets pissed off at you all the time. :idea:
how dumb is it to bolden that statement and take it out of context & to pass your opinion solely based on that ?

LEts take you for example....

You were born in a Shudra family (according to the caste system that runs nowdays) and happen meditate.
So after your quest the state of mind you'll reach is that of a BRahmana (He who knows the BRahma- divine knowledge)

So automatically you took a path that got you to the top.

An example from Mahabharata - *mythological* just for your sake.

Yudhistra before becoming a hier to the throne was asked to do justice in a murder case.

A Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaishay and a shudra all together murdered some1.

this is how he judged the crime ---

The Brahmana serves 16 years.
The Kshatriya serves 12years.
The Vaishaya serves 8 years.
The Shudra serves 4 years.

There is nothing to dispute about his verdict because its based on the responsibilites that come with the Varna. A Brahmana whose job is to educate cannot loose his path because ppl look up to him.

A kshatriya whose job is to defend the society cannot be a criminal.

The business man got lesser time than the Kshatriya because of his Varna.

The shudra got the least time because he wasn't held as accountable as the Brahmana who should have known better.

So dont bring the modern day laws into this.. however since we are talking about 5000 years BC its an example from then.

[Space-Cowboy]

oh ok mr. when i get a wife ima do watever it takes to get in her salvaar lol

:slap: Hurry up and move to Canada bhai!


:hand: and I don't wanna get in her salvaar...............I want her to get out of hers.......... :kekeke: :firedevi:

[notoriou$punjabi]

:idea:

Fuck Cunard

[foreverconfused]

But that's just it.... I know what conduct you're implying when you say 'Brahmin conduct'... but to say it in such a fashion implies superiority..... call it 'Vedic conduct'... That's more appropriate.

The Varnas are there SPECIFICALLY for Karam Yug..... thus, Brahmin is an 'occupation'...... and CERTAINLY not one which is 'more important' an occupation, than that of a Kshatriya or Sudra, etc.

Using the term "brahmin" is currently not politically correct in every context, but the original meaning of the term was not meant to be used in a bigoted or discriminatory fashion.. wouldn't you agree?

I think the original meaning is how notoriouspunjabi is using the term..if I've understood the intention of his posts correctly.

[Space-Cowboy]

how dumb is it to bolden that statement and take it out of context & to pass your opinion solely based on that ?

LEts take you for example....

You were born in a Shudra family (according to the caste system that runs nowdays) and happen meditate.
So after your quest the state of mind you'll reach is that of a BRahmana (He who knows the BRahma- divine knowledge)

So automatically you took a path that got you to the top.

An example from Mahabharata - *mythological* just for your sake.

Yudhistra before becoming a hier to the throne was asked to do justice in a murder case.

A Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaishay and a shudra all together murdered some1.

this is how he judged the crime ---

The Brahmana serves 16 years.
The Kshatriya serves 12years.
The Vaishaya serves 8 years.
The Shudra serves 4 years.

There is nothing to dispute about his verdict because its based on the responsibilites that come with the Varna. A Brahmana whose job is to educate cannot loose his path because ppl look up to him.

A kshatriya whose job is to defend the society cannot be a criminal.

The business man got lesser time than the Kshatriya because of his Varna.

The shudra got the least time because he wasn't held as accountable as the Brahmana who should have known better.

So dont bring the modern day laws into this.. however since we are talking about 5000 years BC its an example from then.


Good job taking THAT out of context.... in THAT society, i.e. Hastinapur... by that time, social heirarchy was already established..... as such, the sentences followed accordingly. :idea: During the questioning of Yuddhistir at the 'poisoned lake', he himself said that Brahmins and Sudras were equal in action [karam] as such as their occupation in society.

To CALL it "Brahminical thought" towards someone who reaches Enlightenment, is IN ITSELF, implying superiority..... and you're STILL taking the scriptures out of context. :idea:


Again, anyone who implies that Brahmins are 'top dawgs' need to be cast out...... The MOST REVERED RISHIS of Vedic Philosophy will NEVER even say that.... and you have the disregard to say it on a fucking forum?

Go read a book :idea:

[sikhsta]

:slap: Hurry up and move to Canada bhai!


:hand: and I don't wanna get in her salvaar...............I want her to get out of hers.......... :kekeke: :firedevi:



we know u wanna try out her salvaar. its ok, you can admit it. we wont judge you LOL

[foreverconfused]

He got banned.

I wanted to find out what he really meant. :(

[sikhsta]

He got banned.

I wanted to find out what he really meant. :(


on the next Unsolved Mysteries LOL

[Space-Cowboy]

Using the term "brahmin" is currently not politically correct in every context, but the original meaning of the term was not meant to be used in a bigoted or discriminatory fashion.. wouldn't you agree?

I think the original meaning is how notoriouspunjabi is using the term..if I've understood the intention of his posts correctly.

Depends on what you mean here. The way notoriuspunjabi was using it to imply that in a Varnical sense....... i.e. implying that the Varna of a Brahmin is more important than that of a Sudra [i.e. what they DO.... {Karam Yug} ] .....

So, his intentions were anything but pure. The original use of the term was JUST there to signify that certain Varna, that's it.

One who was engaged in Philosophy, and sought Enlightenment, were known as Rishis, Monks, Sages.

So, again, in terms of 'state of mind', the correct term would still be 'Vedic thought'.... or 'Sage-like thought'..... Remember, we're seeking 'Enlightenment'.... And so, what is the Sanskrit meaning of Vedas?

It is none other than 'Knowledge'. As such, Notorius is STILL wrong in implying the superiority of the Brahmin Varna....

Again, no Rishi will ever claim that they are superior either mentally or physically, than a commoner.

[foreverconfused]

on the next Unsolved Mysteries LOL

lol :p


:(

[Space-Cowboy]

we know u wanna try out her salvaar. its ok, you can admit it. we wont judge you LOL


It's true :(

[sikhsta]

It's true :(
its ok bhai hota hai. hota hai.

[foreverconfused]

So, again, in terms of 'state of mind', the correct term would still be 'Vedic thought'.... or 'Sage-like thought'..... Remember, we're seeking 'Enlightenment'.... And so, what is the Sanskrit meaning of Vedas?

It is none other than 'Knowledge'. As such, Notorius is STILL wrong in implying the superiority of the Brahmin Varna....

Again, no Rishi will ever claim that they are superior either mentally or physically, than a commoner.

Oh I see what you're saying here. Yes I should have said "vedic" lifestyle would provide a better chance of attaining moksha.

But someone whose personal conduct is that of a "brahmin"( in a vedic, not modern sense), he or she should certainly have a better chance of accummulating punya than someone who (according to personal conduct) is a "shudra".

All four varnas are important to society... but they all have different benefits, and keep in mind I am saying this as someone whose habits are not particularly advanced in a religious sense.

[Space-Cowboy]

Oh I see what you're saying here. Yes I should have said "vedic" lifestyle would provide a better chance of attaining moksha.

But someone whose personal conduct is that of a "brahmin"( in a vedic, not modern sense), he or she should certainly have a better chance of accummulating punya than someone who (according to personal conduct) is a "shudra".

All four varnas are important to society... but they all have different benefits, and keep in mind I am saying this as someone whose habits are not particularly advanced in a religious sense.


zuh? :sarb:

[foreverconfused]

zuh? :sarb:

Meaning my habits, etc would probably make me as a shudra... since I'll be kicked out of being a Brahmin or Vaishya for drinking (even though only occasionally) and some other stuff. :( And god knows I'm no Kshatriya.

[Space-Cowboy]

Meaning my habits, etc would probably make me as a shudra... since I'll be kicked out of being a Brahmin or Vaishya for drinking (even though only occasionally) and some other stuff. :( And god knows I'm no Kshatriya.

:grouphug: You'll be fine :p

[Gladiator]

so wanna hit the keg or applebees this week? :p

[Space-Cowboy]

so wanna hit the keg or applebees this week? :p


Sounds good :p

[Gladiator]

Sounds good :p

man it's my first day back at work in a week, did you notice the strip of tape they have all over the place?

[Space-Cowboy]

man it's my first day back at work in a week, did you notice the strip of tape they have all over the place?


Tape? what tape? :p

[Gladiator]

Tape? what tape? :p

more like they made lanes for going and coming, i really dont know...just saw it today. :lol:

[Space-Cowboy]

more like they made lanes for going and coming, i really dont know...just saw it today. :lol:


well.......... I'll have an interesting surprise when I head for work tomorrow :p

[Gladiator]

well.......... I'll have an interesting surprise when I head for work tomorrow :p

what kind of surprise?

did they sent you to a different project? :lol:

[Space-Cowboy]

what kind of surprise?

did they sent you to a different project? :lol:


I wish !! I wanna get into Charter!! :(

[Gladiator]

I wish !! I wanna get into Charter!! :(

lol, to me charter's kinda over rated, i'd rather head to comcast...they have the similar chat based service, but not to worry man...only two months to go in this project :cheers:

[Space-Cowboy]

lol, to me charter's kinda over rated, i'd rather head to comcast...they have the similar chat based service, but not to worry man...only two months to go in this project :cheers:


huh? :sarb:

[chiquita]

better make the best of your next 2000 posts :P

[Space-Cowboy]

better make the best of your next 2000 posts :P


I can't wait till 15000 :D

[chiquita]

I can't wait till 15000 :D
omg, I haven't reached 1000 yet!
wtf!! :mad:

[Gladiator]

huh? :sarb:

dont tell me you dont know about that? :lol:

cust. service and tech both are leaving by the end of the year :D

[Space-Cowboy]

dont tell me you dont know about that? :lol:

cust. service and tech both are leaving by the end of the year :D


Oh THAT :p ....... wanna do me a favour......... wanna put in a good word for me when you transfer to Comcast? :p

[Gladiator]

Oh THAT :p ....... wanna do me a favour......... wanna put in a good word for me when you transfer to Comcast? :p

good question :p

i have head to comcast asap, but they wont let me, fedex is short and the next two months, it's pretty much rape on the phones :neutral:

[Space-Cowboy]

good question :p

i have head to comcast asap, but they wont let me, fedex is short and the next two months, it's pretty much rape on the phones :neutral:


phone rape..... that's a new one...... :neutral:

:p

[Gladiator]

phone rape..... that's a new one...... :neutral:

:p

my first winter here, and during christmas....it's call after call of idiots.

[Space-Cowboy]

my first winter here, and during christmas....it's call after call of idiots.


Ah yes..... can't wait for Peak :p

[Gladiator]

Ah yes..... can't wait for Peak :p

i hate it man, hate this project :neutral:

[sikhsta]

makin my way to 3,000 soon

[hindu_heat]

you are so pussy whipped.

[Space-Cowboy]

He got banned.

I wanted to find out what he really meant. :(


He didn't mean anything... he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

When Yuddhistir was trying those four murderers... he was doing it in the pretext... and context... of Hastinapur's society. IN that kingdom, brahmins were thought to be the priestly class, and held higher than others solely because of their job to seek enlightenment. But Hastinapur isn't following Vedic Philosophy. It already negated Vedic Philosophy by holding priests and priest-like occupations higher than others. Vedic Philosophy UNDERSTANDS the importance of all four Varnas, in equality, and choice of the individual. Furthermore, BECAUSE of Choice, and Equality..... Vedic Philosophy also undesrstands that the lines between Varnas can be blurred sometimes. For example.... a person who is a merchant..... who sells his services [say a mechanic]... would be both Vaisya and Sudra. A teacher..... who teaches agriculture is both a Brahmin and Sudra. The Varnas are EQUALl and importantly CHOOSABLE.



We can even forget Vedic Philosophy for a second, and JUST take a look at Mahabharat itself. I've already brought up the poisonous lake example.... but take a look at the trial itself and you'll see that there's a difference between what Notorius is quite idiotically implying for Varnical processes, and what is actually happening at the trial.

Yuddhistir says: The brahmin is supposed to be an enlightened man, his crime is most heinous, he needs the most punishment.

That in itself implies two things contradicting NP:
1) this so call "Brahminical thought" by NP's definition implies "Enlightenment".... and "Enlightenment" by definition means not committing the murder. Therefore, "Brahminical thought" itself must not imply "Enlightenment"...... and so... the proper term, as I've stated before, is "Vedic thought", not "Brahminical thought". To be "Vedically Enlightened" DOES mean to have that sense of moral and ethical Peak, and BE Ethical All Encompassingly and Ultimately, so as to not commit crimes in the first place.
"Brahminical thought" on the otherhand, just implies doing priest-like things..... performing rituals, etc. which has NOTHING to do with raising moral standards or trying to reach Enlightenment.... the duties of a brahmin is no more or less important than the duties of a farmer.

2) all this is being done in the context of Hastinapur's society...... a society back then..... which had little to do with Vedic Philosophy, and much more to do with the humdrum of daily rituals... and social class structures... These class structures were ALREADY in place which held priests above farmers......... thus it was already a biased system, and had nothing to do with Vedic Philosophy..... so, for NP to quote that is utterly idiotic.

I'll post more on this later... but bottom line is, NP doesn't know shit about Vedic Philosophy.

He can quote Vedic calendars all he wants [like it did in that other, equally idiotic thread]..... but that doesn't mean he's understood Vedic Philosophy.... which he hasn't... not by a longshot.

:idea:

[Space-Cowboy]

you are so pussy whipped.

Taking an Oath != pussy whippings.





I'm still the King of the Castle :cool:

[BigCrazyIndian]

this is obviously a thinly veiled attempt at having an excuse for not having any oral contact with her meat curtains.

[EverBlazinGyal]

this is obviously a thinly veiled attempt at having an excuse for not having any oral contact with her meat curtains.
LOL

omg. only you.

[BigCrazyIndian]

LOL

omg. only you.

I know, I'm such a perv :ashamed:...but I'm a perv who enjoys his god damn meat!

[Whizkid786]

Are you trying to hook up with some malnourished girl from this site?

[Space-Cowboy]

:think:

hmm...... I might also build a shed/second garage far away from the house, onto the other corner of the backyard, where I can quietly enjoy my meat, without disturbing my wife? :think: Still thinking about that.

[Space-Cowboy]

Are you trying to hook up with some malnourished girl from this site?


I've seen vegetarians that are top notch athletes..... hardly 'malnourished'.................