6 million muslims convert to Christianity every year

[fratty]

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Islam in Fast Demise
In Africa Alone Everyday, 16,000 Muslims Leave Islam
By Ali Sina

Hitler said if a lie is repeated often enough and long enough, it would come to be perceived as truth. One such lie often repeated is “Islam is the fastest growing religion”.

Despite the fact that Muslims by virtue of being poor and uneducated are much more reproductive than others, Islam as a religion is not growing but dying fast.

More and more Muslims are discovering that the violence evinced by some of their coreligionists is not an aberration but is inspired by the teachings of the Quran and the examples set by its author. Muslims are becoming disillusioned with Islam. They find out that the mechanistic ritual of praying five times per day, reciting verses that they do not understand and indeed mean nothing, getting up at taxing hours of the morning and abstaining from food and water until the sunset are not means to becoming more spiritual but are instruments to control their mind. These enlightened Muslims no more heed to the fear mongering verses of the Quran that threaten to burn them and roast them in the fires of hell if they dare to think and question the validity of that book.

Every day thousands of Muslim intellectuals are leaving Islam. They find Islam inconsistent with science, logics, human rights and ethics. Millions of Iranians already have left Islam. The enlightened Muslims of other nationalities are not far behind. This is the beginning of a mass exodus from Islam. It is a movement that is already in motion and nothing can stop it.

However the exodus from Islam is not reserved to the intellectuals but also the average Muslims are finding that Islam is not the way to God but to ignorance, poverty and wars. They are leaving Islam to embrace other religions especially the Christianity.

Perhaps it is best to listen to the truth coming from the mouth of the horse. The Internet site aljazeera.net published an interview with Ahmad Al Qataani ???? ???????? An important Islamic cleric who said: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity."

What Muslims say among each other, is not the same thing that they say for the consumption of the Westerners.

These are huge numbers. If this trend continues we can expect to see Islam become insignificant in Africa in just a few decades. This is good news for those who are concerned about the on going slavery in Africa and the prospects of war and genocide.

In fact with the weakening of Islam, we can hope to see peace in many war-ridden parts of the world including Palestine. By now it should be clear that any road map to peace between Israel and Palestine will be blocked by the Islamists and the terrorists. Peace in Middle East is not possible as long as Islam is the ideology of the masses.

It is important that we realize that this terrorism that is threatening the peace of the world and these wars that bleed the Muslim nations are not economically motivated but are they are hate motivated. They are religious wars. The weakening of Islam means peace for mankind.

Al Qataani and al Jazeera Network were alarmed by these huge numbers of Muslims leaving Islam, but humanity must rejoice over these numbers. The weakening of Islam means the triumph of mankind.

to read more click on the link.

tp://www.islamreview.com/articles/fastdemise.shtml[/url]

[Churailiya]

:neutral:

1 out of every 6 people is a muslim....

there are over one billion muslims in the world...


islam is STILL the fastest growing religion in the world
and IN THE USA



those mere 6million are misguided souls
may Allah guide them back to the truth
Ameen.

http://www.factbook.net/muslim_pop.php
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/

[21cent]

muslims is the highest growing religion in the world its doing something right

[fratty]

Well lets just look at Sub-saharan africa. There use to be 1 million catholics there in 1900 and in 2000 there are over 300 million. Christian missionary groups are well organized and heavily funded. Saudis mistakenly build nice grand mosques in the US, but fail to build schools and hospitals in Africa where they are needed. In France, many Algerians have been leaving Islam and converting to Christianity. I think in the end Christianity will win out. Because Christianity growth areas are in the same areas where muslims have their highest growth rates. Islam is not the fastest growing religion in America, Buddhism has that position.

[Princess_Ligi]

Edit, read it wrong.

[donmega]

This is a made up lie. I don't say this because its an obvious attempt to rile up muslims. But facts and census don't support any of these claims. Even the writer you quoted, Ali Sina is an assumed alias and the most-oft quoted writer that orientalists use. www.islamreview.com, their information and stories are laughable.

[Princess_Ligi]

Oh I guess YOU didnt say that, but still.

[fratty]

All I know there will be more inter-relgious violence because the areas with the most potential and growth are shared by Islam and Christianity.

[nadiafreez]

Why are you going to sit there and call my religion a lie?


hey i always that u were really pretty.

but i didnt know u were muslim.

[Aroosa]

Doesn't matter which religion is #1
they're all made by humans
:neutral:

[Set]

and your point is? Don't do it?

[foreverconfused]

hey i always that u were really pretty.

but i didnt know u were muslim.

why don't you tell her "all indians look black to you" (as you put it)

I'm sure that will win her over.

[Set]

Doesn't matter which religion is #1
they're all made by humans
:neutral:


remove that sign before you get banned - it's too big.

[Princess_Ligi]

hey i always that u were really pretty.

but i didnt know u were muslim.
No, Im Christian. Haha and thanks. I read it wrong, I though it was calling Christianity a lie.


Thats what I get for not reading the whole thing.

[Princess_Ligi]

why don't you tell her "all indians look black to you" (as you put it)

I'm sure that will win her over.
Hot diggity.

[PrOfFaSeE]

oh my god thats terrible
im neutral with islam but christianity
thats sumthin else

[chunky]

what matters is, more non muslims convert to Islam each year than vice versus.

Islam is the fastest expanding religion of the big three at the moment.

[Princess_Ligi]

oh my god thats terrible
im neutral with islam but christianity
thats sumthin else
Why? We teach love, praying for your enemies, and spreading the love of God. I dont see how thats any different from Islam, aside from the whole Jesus vs. Mohammed thing.

[Churailiya]

what matters is, more non muslims convert to Islam each year than vice versus.

Islam is the fastest expanding religion of the big three at the moment.
stop restating wut i already stated :hand: lol

[nadiafreez]

No, Im Christian. Haha and thanks. I read it wrong, I though it was calling Christianity a lie.


Thats what I get for not reading the whole thing.


cool beans.

long live Jesus. :)

[nadiafreez]

why don't you tell her "all indians look black to you" (as you put it)

I'm sure that will win her over.


that was just a joke. Plus you guys were calling each other black looking. So whats the big deal.

[Princess_Ligi]

cool beans.

long live Jesus. :)
And why dont you just make a new username for the forums? LOL I keep thinking youre a chick.

[PrOfFaSeE]

Why? We teach love, praying for your enemies, and spreading the love of God. I dont see how thats any different from Islam, aside from the whole Jesus vs. Mohammed thing.
that just depends on what sort of christianity you're into, come on

7th day adventist? opus dei?
come on

[Princess_Ligi]

that just depends on what sort of christianity you're into, come on

7th day adventist? opus dei?
come on
Yeah, those are the crazy fuckheads. Just like the crazy fuckheads of Islam (Bin Laden and everything that Al Qaeda says? come on!) Every religion has them. Im a non-denominational, Protestant Christian. I love God and everything he's done for me and I could never deny his presence in my life.

[nadiafreez]

And why dont you just make a new username for the forums? LOL I keep thinking youre a chick.


just cuzz.

too much work.

[bad_cheque]

*selling Hindu popcorns here*

[21cent]

Well lets just look at Sub-saharan africa. There use to be 1 million catholics there in 1900 and in 2000 there are over 300 million. Christian missionary groups are well organized and heavily funded. Saudis mistakenly build nice grand mosques in the US, but fail to build schools and hospitals in Africa where they are needed. In France, many Algerians have been leaving Islam and converting to Christianity. I think in the end Christianity will win out. Because Christianity growth areas are in the same areas where muslims have their highest growth rates. Islam is not the fastest growing religion in America, Buddhism has that position.

Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States and is expected to become the second-largest religious bloc here in the next few years

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61213-2005Apr17.html

[PrOfFaSeE]

Yeah, those are the crazy fuckheads. Just like the crazy fuckheads of Islam (Bin Laden and everything that Al Qaeda says? come on!) Every religion has them. Im a non-denominational, Protestant Christian. I love God and everything he's done for me and I could never deny his presence in my life.
oh course
jesus is your homeboy


tell me though
whats up with jesus doctrine of "eternal punishment" in the "eternal fire" of hell

[PrOfFaSeE]

*selling Hindu popcorns here*
give me 2
is it ripe
let me squeeze it

[Churailiya]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61213-2005Apr17.html


WORD
and more women convert to islam then men in the US...

i wonder why an american western woman wud convert to such a opressive religion :sarb: duhhh its not opressive :hand:

[Princess_Ligi]

oh course
jesus is your homeboy


tell me though
whats up with jesus doctrine of "eternal punishment" in the "eternal fire" of hell
I believe that place youre referring to is Hell, and you have the chance of avoiding it if you are truly repenting of your wrongs and live your new life a purpose. Its called being born again. Yesterday was, tomorrow may be, only today IS. People are not inapt to change, they just need the faith to make it happen.

[21cent]

WORD
and more women convert to islam then men in the US...

i wonder why an american western woman wud convert to such a opressive religion :sarb: duhhh its not opressive :hand:


did u know Hispanic women are #1 in usa among islam converts :Pelvic2:

[Churailiya]

did u know Hispanic women are #1 in usa among islam converts :Pelvic2:
thats great for u guys ;-) lol

wut about us bechaari larkiyaan :( we need sum goray guys to convert

[21cent]

thats great for u guys ;-) lol

wut about us bechaari larkiyaan :( we need sum goray guys to convert

well we always have Neil Armstrong

muhammad ali

mike tyson

dave chapelle

:p

[Churailiya]

well we always have Neil Armstrong

muhammad ali

mike tyson

dave chapelle

:p
ugly ugly ugly ugly :no:

[Churailiya]

why are you so worked up? LOL
im not :sarb: i was just stating sum facts but its obviously bothering u :sarb:

[21cent]

Doesn't matter which religion is #1
they're all made by humans
:neutral:

religions might be fake but do u think god is?

[ThatsHot]

Well lets just look at Sub-saharan africa. There use to be 1 million catholics there in 1900 and in 2000 there are over 300 million. Christian missionary groups are well organized and heavily funded. Saudis mistakenly build nice grand mosques in the US, but fail to build schools and hospitals in Africa where they are needed. In France, many Algerians have been leaving Islam and converting to Christianity. I think in the end Christianity will win out. Because Christianity growth areas are in the same areas where muslims have their highest growth rates. Islam is not the fastest growing religion in America, Buddhism has that position.



hmmm i think thats the part of africa people are dying of poverty, hungr, aids, hiv ect. so these "missionaries" show up with bread and water.... so those people take it. they have no knowledge of real islam, they dont practice it...and they're starving.

[Angelno15]

You got Rob Lowe. That makes up for all the others surely.

And yay another christian!

[Chronos]

well my dad can beat up your dad any day! nya!

[Princess_Ligi]

You got Rob Lowe. That makes up for all the others surely.

And yay another christian!
:cheers:

[Churailiya]

Goray guys to convert? LOL That was hilarious
i know im just funny like that :hand:

[21cent]

:cheers:


i challenge u to a holy war :p

[Princess_Ligi]

i challenge u to a holy war :p
:squint: I challenge you to a curry war.




*flings chicken tikka at you*


Ligi: 1
21cent: 0

[21cent]

BUt then you should have some muslim missionaries there to help them out. Why dont you? Cause you dont care about those innocents.

You should red the article. Then muslim enter a nation... first thing they do is build a mosque. They dont give them food, shelter, hospitals or schools but build a mosque.


mosque=school, food

[Churailiya]

BUt then you should have some muslim missionaries there to help them out. Why dont you? Cause you dont care about those innocents.

You should red the article. Then muslim enter a nation... first thing they do is build a mosque. They dont give them food, shelter, hospitals or schools but build a mosque.
your 100% correct and thats why im joining doctors without borders :p

and zakat is a pillar of islam its just the modern muslims weakness that he or she doesnt follow islam correctly... islam teaches us to look after our poor brothers and sisters.

[PrOfFaSeE]

um right...i went to a catholic primary school
i know

but what jesus did NOT do and yes im pretty sure is give word of salvation, divorce, circumcision and diet...everything else ppl made up along the way...thats the truth

[Churailiya]

mosque=school, food
true but we arent building many mosques in 3rd world countries

[Princess_Ligi]

um right...i went to a catholic primary school
i know

but what jesus did NOT do and yes im pretty sure is give word of salvation, divorce, circumcision and diet...everything else ppl made up along the way...thats the truth
Um, Abraham was circumcised (did it to himself). That was WELL before Jesus.

[Churailiya]

LOL it was your highly intellectual imam who requested muslim nations not to go into a poor nation and build mosques but first..... build a worshiper.
most molvis are idiots :no:

[Princess_Ligi]

most molvis are idiots :no:
Wait whats a Molvi?

[Adnan786]

Ah well we dont need the bandars anyways

(in other words that is bullshit and ali sina is ur father)

[Churailiya]

Wait whats a Molvi?
a so called clergy in islam, islam isnt really suppose to have any set clergy except for a khalifa...

[PrOfFaSeE]

Um, Abraham was circumcised (did it to himself). That was WELL before Jesus.
lol u missed the ship

[The Anti Desi]

It Ali Sina writing the article. What the hell did I expect :bored:

[Churailiya]

Idiot? He is right on that one. He asked muslim nations to first provide food and shelter and schools and hospitals to all those poor. Once you have the worshipper than you can build the house of worship.

Evangiliccans have done alot for humanity and I respect them for that. Not a single penny they own goes to waste.
sorry i read that wrong lol my bad

[Irreligious Left]

I would just like numbers and credible sources to back up any claim that a certain religion, whatever it may be, is the fastest growing religion in the world. Most people just throw around conclusory statements that theirs is. That is not sufficient for me.

Also, I find it baffling that in our age of secularization, any religion could definitively claim the mantle of "fastest growning," whatever that may mean.

[bad_cheque]

I would just like numbers and credible sources to back up any claim that a certain religion, whatever it may be, is the fastest growing religion in the world. Most people just throw around conclusory statements that theirs is. That is not sufficient for me.

Also, I find it baffling that in our age of secularization, any religion could definitively claim the mantle of "fastest growning," whatever that may mean.
Fastest growing minus 6 million

[NYzNiCCa]

fratty is at it again....lil bitch.

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

Who care what religion is fastest growing?

Is the number of people that follow ur religion gonna make u more religious or less religious, NOO.

Just have faith in whatever religion you follow, n if you follow it with a good heart you'll get salvation.

And plus, theres No ONE right religion, do any of you fools actually think that a being as great as God, one who is Merciful, Compassionate, one with Infinite Reasoning, will sentence some one to "hell" for simply following a different path than one described in the Quran, Bible, Vedas, SGGS, Torah, etc? NOO



I know I gott a little of subject, but didnt feel like makin a whole new thread.

[NYzNiCCa]

It Ali Sina writing the article. What the hell did I expect :bored:

ahh damn Frattys grand pa wrote the article? thank god i didnt read it.

[NYzNiCCa]

Who care what religion is fastest growing?

Is the number of people that follow ur religion gonna make u more religious or less religious, NOO.

Just have faith in whatever religion you follow, n if you follow it with a good heart you'll get salvation.

And plus, theres No ONE right religion, do any of you fools actually think that a being as great as God, one who is Merciful, Compassionate, one with Infinite Reasoning, will sentence some one to "hell" for simply following a different path than one described in the Quran, Bible, Vedas, SGGS, Torah, etc? NOO



I know I gott a little of subject, but didnt feel like makin a whole new thread.

only if these dumb fucks would follow u....i think im gonna go on a FUCK NON-MUSLIMS spree as well one of these days.

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

only if these dumb fucks would follow u....i think im gonna go on a FUCK NON-MUSLIMS spree as well one of these days.
Did I say sumthin wrong?? :neutral:

[NYzNiCCa]

Did I say sumthin wrong?? :neutral:

u were right on the mark.....:hug:

[superblade]

Hey fratty, your daddy wants you to come and lick his ass:


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a241/bladesuper/jew.jpg





Lick it good, thanks.

[fratty]

haha you guys are all characters. Too bad most of ya'll are misguided.

[bad_cheque]

haha you guys are all characters. Too bad most of ya'll are misguided.
Oh please please guide us O'Great One!

[Space-Cowboy]

What is a religion?

[fratty]

Oh please please guide us O'Great One!

I am not preaching like I have the answers to anyone you cunt rag. I am just saying Islam is incompatible with today's world. Islam does oppress and stifles anything civil. I wonder how many breakthroughs in science, medicine, and economics are coming out of the middle east? The answer is none. More books are translated in Spain than in the entire Middle East. I am sorry if you really want to be the cultural slaves to the Arabs be my guest and join Islam.

[21cent]

What is a religion?


ur mom in a orgy

[Riddemz]

the amount of religious followers is decreasing in every religion

our generation is becoming more and more enlightened (in my opinion :p )

if you want a nicer answer then ill just say that we are giving less and less of a shit

[bad_cheque]

I am not preaching like I have the answers to anyone you cunt rag. I am just saying Islam is incompatible with today's world. Islam does oppress and stifles anything civil. I wonder how many breakthroughs in science, medicine, and economics are coming out of the middle east? The answer is none. More books are translated in Spain than in the entire Middle East. I am sorry if you really want to be the cultural slaves to the Arabs be my guest and join Islam.
Actually the statement that more books are translated is a stupid myth. Plus it is good that trash doesn't get translated.

Islam is nothing but just another one from the list of religions that came out of the middle east including Christianity. I wonder what Latin Americans must be thinking of your religion or maybe the Jews who were thrown out of Spain when the Catholic King took back Spain or the libraries and countless books burnt down in frenzied Christian fundamentalist attacks across Europe or the destruction and defacement of countless churches in England by fundamentalist Christians.....the list can go on and on.

As they say, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Shut up.

[fratty]

Actually the statement that more books are translated is a stupid myth. Plus it is good that trash doesn't get translated.

Islam is nothing but just another one from the list of religions that came out of the middle east including Christianity. I wonder what Latin Americans must be thinking of your religion or maybe the Jews who were thrown out of Spain when the Catholic King took back Spain or the libraries and countless books burnt down in frenzied Christian fundamentalist attacks across Europe or the destruction and defacement of countless churches in England by fundamentalist Christians.....the list can go on and on.

As they say, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Shut up.

I am not a christian.

[Riddemz]

on a site note

every place on the earth has contributed to science and overall knowledge

the middle east aided alot in the past, and even though right now there isnt much happening, without that, the west would still be inventing the steam engine at this point

[bad_cheque]

I am not a christian.
No you are an idiot.

A sheep like all idiots tend to be. Keep following idiot leaders.

[fratty]

Actually the statement that more books are translated is a stupid myth. Plus it is good that trash doesn't get translated..

Actually its not a myth my friend. It comes out of the United Nations. "Interestingly, the report found that the total number of books translated into Arabic yearly is no more than 330, or one-fifth of those translated in a small country like Greece."
http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/663.cfm#down

[Space-Cowboy]

ur mom in a orgy

Interesting.... indeed.... but one must realize, the term 'orgy' is quite subjective. For my mom, it means a sensual spiritual moment with my dad.... which of course, matrimonial love, between husband and wife can only be sacred before the Divine Reality.


....... And thus, in its subjective nature, orgy can mean different things to different people. For me, it means pleasuring my future wife in the same way...... for you it means dressing up as the altar boy and pleasuring father bad-touch, until in screams the Lord's name in ecstacy. Too each his own I suppose.... for we mere mortals are in no position to judge. :idea:

[fratty]

No you are an idiot.

A sheep like all idiots tend to be. Keep following idiot leaders.

Haha you are the sheep protecting 1.5 billion of them. Don't get mad because your civilization is worthless. I am sorry that the Muslim World is in such a mess. But the Sino, Hindu, Western civilizations are thriving and actually exercising real power. Islamic civilization will be a mere footnote. Such a nativist attitude will only make islamic civilization relevent even less in today's world.

[NYzNiCCa]

Interesting.... indeed.... but one must realize, the term 'orgy' is quite subjective. For my mom, it means a sensual spiritual moment with my dad.... which of course, matrimonial love, between husband and wife can only be sacred before the Divine Reality.


....... And thus, in its subjective nature, orgy can mean different things to different people. For me, it means pleasuring my future wife in the same way...... for you it means dressing up as the altar boy and pleasuring father bad-touch, until in screams the Lord's name in ecstacy. Too each his own I suppose.... for we mere mortals are in no position to judge. :idea:

:hug: how r u my love?

[CashMoneyHoes]

the amount of religious followers is decreasing in every religion

our generation is becoming more and more enlightened (in my opinion :p )

if you want a nicer answer then ill just say that we are giving less and less of a shit
finally someone who said something smart. When people keep saying islam is still the fastest growing that doesnt mean its going to be the biggest religon one day. Religon is decreasing as a whole and im pretty sure while islam is growing faster then christianity its not like christianity is decreasing, its just not growing as fast. So in order for Islam to auctually catch up with the christian religon it will take hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. And these days when it comes to war its doesnt matter how many people you got, all it takes is one nuclear weapon to win. You got isreal, some 20 million jews surrounded by over 100+ muslims in many countries but Isreal can finish them even though they are outnumbered 1 to 5+.

[bad_cheque]

Actually its not a myth my friend. It comes out of the United Nations. "Interestingly, the report found that the total number of books translated into Arabic yearly is no more than 330, or one-fifth of those translated in a small country like Greece."
http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/663.cfm#down
If you have any sense you would understand that Islam has nothing to do with any of this. At a time when Europe was in the Dark Ages, followers of Islam were collecting knowledge from a decaying India and building their own science and mathematical knowledge. Remember that the knowledge that fuelled the Renaissance initially came from the Arabs who were indeed followers of Islam. This happened when Islam was very much strong there.

The reasons for the close-minded attitudes, orthodoxy, fundamentalism and violence are largely political and to some extent social. The West is just as or maybe the biggest to take the blame.

Go and get a political education before talking nonsense.

[bad_cheque]

Haha you are the sheep protecting 1.5 billion of them. Don't get mad because your civilization is worthless. I am sorry that the Muslim World is in such a mess. But the Sino, Hindu, Western civilizations are thriving and actually exercising real power. Islamic civilization will be a mere footnote. Such a nativist attitude will only make islamic civilization relevent even less in today's world.
I am a Hindu.

I don't go with what the media serves everyday like you do.

Don't you have anything better to do?

Go find a girl.

[NYzNiCCa]

Haha you are the sheep protecting 1.5 billion of them. Don't get mad because your civilization is worthless. I am sorry that the Muslim World is in such a mess. But the Sino, Hindu, Western civilizations are thriving and actually exercising real power. Islamic civilization will be a mere footnote. Such a nativist attitude will only make islamic civilization relevent even less in today's world.

you stupid son of a bitch....wake up cuz ur gonna miss the train leaving for hell. *referring to your avatar*

[NYzNiCCa]

I am a Hindu.

I don't go with what the media serves everyday like you do.

Don't you have anything better to do?

Go find a girl.

not to put u on spot or anything but why do hindu kids on RD love to make threads about Islam?

[Space-Cowboy]

:hug: how r u my love?
:grouphug:

This thread sucks.... and the OP is unintelligable...... :|

[Space-Cowboy]

not to put u on spot or anything but why do hindu kids on RD love to make threads about Islam?


:slap: Not all of us do it

kekeke

[bad_cheque]

not to put u on spot or anything but why do hindu kids on RD love to make threads about Islam?
Ask them. I can't speak for them.

Maybe its because Muslims have a tendency to speak about a thousand and one rules regarding everything from eating for wearing shoes. Maybe Musilms are too sensitive and take the bait. Maybe Muslims should stop following their leaders like the sheep as does the idiot who started this thread in his own way.

[fratty]

I am a Hindu.

I don't go with what the media serves everyday like you do.

Don't you have anything better to do?

Go find a girl.

Typical dhimmi attitude. Bowing to your muslim masters. The Arabs never though actually contributed they may have only transferred the knowledge of the East to the West. But you also seem not to remember that the Renassiance was built by European thinkers and artists. But the Scientific Method, was a European idea. Reason and logic thanks to empiricists were the new shift in paradigm in Europe. You give too much credit to Arabs. Arabs may have collected but incorporated none of these teachings into their own political, social, and economic scenes. No, Islam is the reason why these nations are suffering. Religion has a profound impact on a nation. A religion such as Islam dictates almost all areas of life from how you work, to eat, and how you worship. Read some Max Weber he will explain how profound an impact religion has on culture.

[NYzNiCCa]

:grouphug:

This thread sucks.... and the OP is unintelligable...... :|

yeah just like the OP!

[NYzNiCCa]

:slap: Not all of us do it

kekeke

:lol: u missed out funny sigs today.....quiet a few hindus/sikhs had FOOD in their sigs....it was pretty stupid but funny.

[fratty]

not to put u on spot or anything but why do hindu kids on RD love to make threads about Islam?

Because muslims are arrogrant. It also fun to humble ya'll once and awhile.

[NYzNiCCa]

Ask them. I can't speak for them.

Maybe its because Muslims have a tendency to speak about a thousand and one rules regarding everything from eating for wearing shoes. Maybe Musilms are too sensitive and take the bait. Maybe Muslims should stop following their leaders like the sheep as does the idiot who started this thread in his own way.

yeah I am a muslim and I follow noone but myself....I mean you have to be rational about things rather than listen to what the world leaders have to say....they are all out there for themselves. :no:

[Angelno15]

Theres no need for name calling.

Probably one of the reasons for the growth of Islam (Im not entirely convinced Islam is the fastest growing religion due to reports Iv read) is in Islamic countries it is illegal for anybody to convert from Islam. (Love the freedom in Islamic countries) whilst in the west it is allowed to convert from another religion to Islam.

Anyway who cares. Im christian and hopefully I have respect no matter what religio I am, just as I respect those who are a different religion to me.

[NYzNiCCa]

Because muslims are arrogrant. It also fun to humble ya'll once and awhile.

humble? when we have retards like u around its hard to be humble....

[fratty]

humble? when we have retards like u around its hard to be humble....

Say what you want. We will see which side wins the clash of civilizations.

[Cunard]

Say what you want. We will see which side wins the clash of civilizations.

:rofl:

shut up fratty

[NYzNiCCa]

Say what you want. We will see which side wins the clash of civilizations.
:rofl: ok this thread is done!

[Cunard]

Theres no need for name calling.

Probably one of the reasons for the growth of Islam (Im not entirely convinced Islam is the fastest growing religion due to reports Iv read) is in Islamic countries it is illegal for anybody to convert from Islam. (Love the freedom in Islamic countries) whilst in the west it is allowed to convert from another religion to Islam.

Anyway who cares. Im christian and hopefully I have respect no matter what religio I am, just as I respect those who are a different religion to me.

very true...also..much of the islamic world is in the third world where birth rates are high

[Space-Cowboy]

:lol: u missed out funny sigs today.....quiet a few hindus/sikhs had FOOD in their sigs....it was pretty stupid but funny.


That musta been interesting :p

[Angelno15]

very true...also..much of the islamic world is in the third world where birth rates are high

Also true.

[Riddemz]

very true...also..much of the islamic world is in the third world where birth rates are high
ya but they also die alot more

[RunsWithScissors]

Because muslims are arrogrant. It also fun to humble ya'll once and awhile.

You really think you're humbling them?? heehee..

But seriously dude... why all the e-beef time and again... and u trying to get a Muslim-Christian thing going on over here now?? tsk tsk

[Cunard]

ya but they also die alot more

the death rate comes no where near the birth date

also like Angelno15 said....99% of the islamic/muslim countries out there dont allow for conversions and are not open like the western world when it comes to other religions...both play major factors in the growth of Islam

[RunsWithScissors]

Say what you want. We will see which side wins the clash of civilizations.


That might be a long wait.... too bad neither party is gonna be around to throw it back in the other one's face. How can victory be sweet if you're not around to enjoy it :(

[Space-Cowboy]

ya but they also die alot more


That's not a good thing... :|

[bad_cheque]

Typical dhimmi attitude. Bowing to your muslim masters. The Arabs never though actually contributed they may have only transferred the knowledge of the East to the West. But you also seem not to remember that the Renassiance was built by European thinkers and artists. But the Scientific Method, was a European idea. Reason and logic thanks to empiricists were the new shift in paradigm in Europe. You give too much credit to Arabs. Arabs may have collected but incorporated none of these teachings into their own political, social, and economic scenes. No, Islam is the reason why these nations are suffering. Religion has a profound impact on a nation. A religion such as Islam dictates almost all areas of life from how you work, to eat, and how you worship. Read some Max Weber he will explain how profound an impact religion has on culture.
Does religion impact culture or is it just another expression of a culture?

Why is (or rather was until the marauding Portuguese fanatics attacked and pillaged India) European Christianity so different from Indian Christianity?

Why are the Abrahamic religions so similar in their outlooks and so different from religions elsewhere?

What is a nation? Isn't it a western euphemism for tribal entity? Didn't these tribes go to two disastrous wars called the World Wars?

Capitalism dictates all aspects of our life. It has turned us in to assets and liabilities to be used and discarded in the spread and built-up of capital. I don't see you complaining about that.

Scientific thinking, logic etc were known to man long before they were given high-falutin names.

Don't read Max Weber. Just open you eyes and your brain.

[Angelno15]

did u know Hispanic women are #1 in usa among islam converts :Pelvic2:

Why would women convert to Islam? Who wants 72 virgins and eunachs when they die. Lol only joking! :grouphug:

[bad_cheque]

yeah I am a muslim and I follow noone but myself....I mean you have to be rational about things rather than listen to what the world leaders have to say....they are all out there for themselves. :no:
Really? Then why base your thinking on what is said in a few books? Why make them a starting point to find answers to the questions of your daily life. Why not other books? Why not just creative thought?

World leaders, religious leaders etc etc ....they are all the same.

[HIK213]

that just depends on what sort of christianity you're into, come on

7th day adventist? opus dei?
come on

so what are 7th day adventist and opus dei, are they extremist or something? dont want to sound ignorant or anything just lack knowledge

[kwitcherbitchin]

why does it matter which religion is the fastest growing? i don't see what that proves. :|

[bad_cheque]

why does it matter which religion is the fastest growing? i don't see what that proves. :|
Then fewer go to hell.

[dj XeNo]

lol clash of civilizations.

[NYzNiCCa]

Really? Then why base your thinking on what is said in a few books? Why make them a starting point to find answers to the questions of your daily life. Why not other books? Why not just creative thought?

World leaders, religious leaders etc etc ....they are all the same.

yeah i think im just gonna smoke some weed with my rastafarian friends and come out with a new creative religion. The whole point here being...follow ur religion and leave everyone else alone.....which most fuckheads on RD cant or are not willing to do.

[HIK213]

yeah i think im just gonna smoke some weed with my rastafarian friends and come out with a new creative religion. The whole point here being...follow ur religion and leave everyone else alone.....which most fuckheads on RD cant or are not willing to do.

true

[kwitcherbitchin]

Then fewer go to hell.

lol. well different religions have different rules to follow to avoid going to hell...who's to say who will and won't go to hell. and what if you don't believe in hell. :|

[Space-Cowboy]

lol clash of civilizations.


Ignore fratty, he's just an American..... this clash of civilizations is a very American concept.... one that died out long ago infact, to give rise to the melting pot.

Canada is different, you won't find this kind of mindless dribble like the OP is posting in Canada.... we're inherantly enlightened, here there's no 'melting pot', instead it is and 'ethnic mosaic'. All cultures and all peoples celebrate our backgrounds and intermingle amongst ourselves and learn from each other's ethnic/cultural/religous backgrounds.... and we Canadians are all the richer culturally for it. Canadian culture in inherantly more beautiful, and diverse, and tolerant of the rest of the world than American culture.

[Riddemz]

Ignore fratty, he's just an American..... this clash of civilizations is a very American concept.... one that died out long ago infact, to give rise to the melting pot.

Canada is different, you won't find this kind of mindless dribble like the OP is posting in Canada.... we're inherantly enlightened, here there's no 'melting pot', instead it is and 'ethnic mosaic'. All cultures and all peoples celebrate our backgrounds and intermingle amongst ourselves and learn from each other's ethnic/cultural/religous backgrounds.... and we Canadians are all the richer culturally for it. Canadian culture in inherantly more beautiful, and diverse, and tolerant of the rest of the world than American culture.
lol
we still have our racial clashes

most of the time its between street gangs that just need to form gangs because of races so that in a brawl they know who the enemy is

[sameer]

it doesnt really matter. religion isn't a popularity contest.

[dj XeNo]

Ignore fratty, he's just an American..... this clash of civilizations is a very American concept.... one that died out long ago infact, to give rise to the melting pot.

Canada is different, you won't find this kind of mindless dribble like the OP is posting in Canada.... we're inherantly enlightened, here there's no 'melting pot', instead it is and 'ethnic mosaic'. All cultures and all peoples celebrate our backgrounds and intermingle amongst ourselves and learn from each other's ethnic/cultural/religous backgrounds.... and we Canadians are all the richer culturally for it. Canadian culture in inherantly more beautiful, and diverse, and tolerant of the rest of the world than American culture.

Yeah I know i heard that from alot of people. It's a really beautiful place to live, hardly any crime and free healthcare.

and lots of pretty desi girls :cool:

[Space-Cowboy]

lol
we still have our racial clashes

most of the time its between street gangs that just need to form gangs because of races so that in a brawl they know who the enemy is


Still it's not as bad as what you'd find in say L.A. .... or Alabama.....

It's much better off here.

I suppose I shouldn't generalize, not all Americans have the ethnocentric melting pot mindset...

[21cent]

Why would women convert to Islam? Who wants 72 virgins and eunachs when they die. Lol only joking! :grouphug:


who doesnt want 72 virgins but to bad u can f*** them :mad:

[Space-Cowboy]

it doesnt really matter. religion isn't a popularity contest.


That's true too, but my point about Canada being more open and tolerant than U.S. still stands.

[sikh_est_jatt]

who doesnt want 72 virgins but to bad u can f*** them :mad:
72 Virgins.....Thats like ----- Haha.......No comments......

[sikh_est_jatt]

That's true too, but my point about Canada being more open and tolerant than U.S. still stands.
USA is more open dawg.....Canada still has the stiff British upper lip - ishness and narrow mindedness.....

[sameer]

Ignore fratty, he's just an American..... this clash of civilizations is a very American concept.... one that died out long ago infact, to give rise to the melting pot.

Canada is different, you won't find this kind of mindless dribble like the OP is posting in Canada.... we're inherantly enlightened, here there's no 'melting pot', instead it is and 'ethnic mosaic'. All cultures and all peoples celebrate our backgrounds and intermingle amongst ourselves and learn from each other's ethnic/cultural/religous backgrounds.... and we Canadians are all the richer culturally for it. Canadian culture in inherantly more beautiful, and diverse, and tolerant of the rest of the world than American culture.
people hate on america automatically too much without thinking. you may disagree with american foreign policy or dislike americans for being insular, but it is one of the best places in the world to love for minorities.

for example, im doing a lot of research on japan lately and their society is so one-dimensionally japanese that any foreigner sticks out like a sore thumb. in america, pretty much any minority can find some place or the other that he/she feels comfortable. its really not that bad.

the american demographic is one of the most heterogenous (especially in certain urban areas) and that makes life easier for minorities.

[Angelno15]

who doesnt want 72 virgins but to bad u can f*** them :mad:

Well Iv figured out the incentive for guys but what would I get if, I converted, when I die? You can keep the eunachs. They were meant for the guys anyway.

[Space-Cowboy]

USA is more open dawg.....Canada still has the stiff British upper lip - ishness and narrow mindedness.....

I don't even know where to begin to tell you how wrong you are about that one..........

Brown skinned people in many parts of the U.S. just aren't safe from white supremacists raiding through the streets of ethnic neighbourhoods.... and that's a fact.

[NYzNiCCa]

I don't even know where to begin to tell you how wrong you are about that one..........

Brown skinned people in many parts of the U.S. just aren't safe from white supremacists raiding through the streets of ethnic neighbourhoods.... and that's a fact.

i mean is religion even worth discussing on RD? :p

[sameer]

I don't even know where to begin to tell you how wrong you are about that one..........

Brown skinned people in many parts of the U.S. just aren't safe from white supremacists raiding through the streets of ethnic neighbourhoods.... and that's a fact.
ive never felt threatened nor has anyone i know of "white supremacists raiding through the streets".

theres tons of americans on here, so im curious as to who on here has been threatened. theres obviously some cases of violence, but in my experience i would say its the extreme minority

[Space-Cowboy]

people hate on america automatically too much without thinking. you may disagree with american foreign policy or dislike americans for being insular, but it is one of the best places in the world to love for minorities.

for example, im doing a lot of research on japan lately and they're society is so one-dimensionally japanese that any foreigner sticks out like a sore thumb. in america, pretty much any minority can find some place or the other that he/she feels comfortable. its really not that bad.

..... what you consider 'not that bad' we consider atrocious........ come live in Montreal for a year, or even Toronto.... it's so ethnically diverse, .... and the way that white people celebrate with Eastern peoples, whether it be Hindu, or Muslim, or Sikh, etc. and reciprocatively, how Eastern peoples will celebrate western customs [St. Patty's day, etc.]..... there is a real sense of belonging and brotherhood in Canada that's sorely missing in the States. In America, you look at a white man the wrong way, you end up with three skinheads stabbing you in the back. That kind of crap is nonexistent in Canada. Canada IS a global village of sorts.... it is every thing the UN wishes the rest of the world were like. Canada is the last remaining paradise on earth!!

[chunky]

Ignore fratty, he's just an American..... this clash of civilizations is a very American concept.... one that died out long ago infact, to give rise to the melting pot.

Canada is different, you won't find this kind of mindless dribble like the OP is posting in Canada.... we're inherantly enlightened, here there's no 'melting pot', instead it is and 'ethnic mosaic'. All cultures and all peoples celebrate our backgrounds and intermingle amongst ourselves and learn from each other's ethnic/cultural/religous backgrounds.... and we Canadians are all the richer culturally for it. Canadian culture in inherantly more beautiful, and diverse, and tolerant of the rest of the world than American culture.

i think your sig applies to this bit.

What you said is total hogwash. One need only mention the French Canadians to debunk your pretty little mosaic picture.

[NYzNiCCa]

ive never felt threatened nor has anyone i know of "white supremacists raiding through the streets".

theres tons of americans on here, so im curious as to who on here has been threatened. theres obviously some cases of violence, but in my experience i would say its the extreme minority

go to certain parts of Staten Island and say I AM THE GOOD LOOKING ADMIN OF RD...watch what happens. :p :p :p

[Space-Cowboy]

i mean is religion even worth discussing on RD? :p


I've successfully turned the thread from a discussion about religion, to Canada v.s. America ;)



:squint: now participate you Yankee!

[chunky]

I don't even know where to begin to tell you how wrong you are about that one..........

Brown skinned people in many parts of the U.S. just aren't safe from white supremacists raiding through the streets of ethnic neighbourhoods.... and that's a fact.

LMAO.

Kinda how being brown is becoming a liability in Vancouver. . . .

[NYzNiCCa]

I've successfully turned the thread from a discussion about religion, to Canada v.s. America ;)



:squint: now participate you Yankee!

I say fuck the west UP AND DOWN. :anxious:

[sikh_est_jatt]

ive never felt threatened nor has anyone i know of "white supremacists raiding through the streets".

theres tons of americans on here, so im curious as to who on here has been threatened. theres obviously some cases of violence, but in my experience i would say its the extreme minority
Go to sleep n.i.g.g.a. --- :rolleyes: zzzzz "Banned" ????

[sameer]

..... what you consider 'not that bad' we consider atrocious........ come live in Montreal for a year, or even Toronto.... it's so ethnically diverse, .... and the way that white people celebrate with Eastern peoples, whether it be Hindu, or Muslim, or Sikh, etc. and reciprocatively, how Eastern peoples will celebrate western customs [St. Patty's day, etc.]..... there is a real sense of belonging and brotherhood in Canada that's sorely missing in the States. In America, you look at a white man the wrong way, you end up with three skinheads stabbing you in the back. That kind of crap is nonexistent in Canada. Canada IS a global village of sorts.... it is every thing the UN wishes the rest of the world were like. Canada is the last remaining paradise on earth!!
ive lived in nyc since january and worked here since last april and i would say new york is amazingly ethnically diverse and would likely do well in any ethnic comparison to toronto or montreal. however, not having lived in canada all i can really say is i've felt very comfortable in new york city.

have you stayed somewhere in the usa for an extended period.

[Space-Cowboy]

i think your sig applies to this bit.

What you said is total hogwash. One need only mention the French Canadians to debunk your pretty little mosaic picture.

What about French Canadians? There's been 'few' problems in the past, but they feel just as strongly about the Canadian spirit as anyone else. I'm sure there's Yankees just dying to see Canada partition....... that's not gonna happen. The rights of French Canadians are secure, hell, much of our nations best leaders have been French Canadians... Expect Canada to be one WHOLE UNIT for a LONG LONG time,...... well after Pax Americana crumbles to dust. :idea:

[NYzNiCCa]

Go to sleep n.i.g.g.a. --- :rolleyes: zzzzz "Banned" ????

:rofl: :rofl: :roflbow: :p :p

[Space-Cowboy]

ive lived in nyc since january and worked here since last april and i would say new york is amazingly ethnically diverse and would likely do well in any ethnic comparison to toronto or montreal. however, not having lived in canada all i can really say is i've felt very comfortable in new york city.

have you stayed somewhere in the usa for an extended period.


New York .... and to a certain extent L.A. *might* be the exception...... I've been to other parts of the country to visit cousins, etc. ..... minorities stick out like a sore thumb.

I've lived in NY back in 1988 for about a year, mostly in the Bronx, and for a small while in Queens. This was before Guliani.

[Princess_Ligi]

ive never felt threatened nor has anyone i know of "white supremacists raiding through the streets".

theres tons of americans on here, so im curious as to who on here has been threatened. theres obviously some cases of violence, but in my experience i would say its the extreme minority
Lol Ive lived in Chicago, Redneck Florida, NY, and Texas...and not once have I EVER encountered white supremacists raiding through the streets.

[sikh_est_jatt]

:rofl: :rofl: :roflbow: :p :p
Ay salaam Aleikum Bhai jaan

Roja kaise chal rahey hain ?

[NYzNiCCa]

New York .... and to a certain extent L.A. *might* be the exception...... I've been to other parts of the country to visit cousins, etc. ..... minorities stick out like a sore thumb.

I've lived in NY back in 1988 for about a year, mostly in the Bronx, and for a small while in Queens. This was before Guliani.

BOOGIE DOWN BRONX! :rambo:

[chunky]

What about French Canadians? There's been 'few' problems in the past, but they feel just as strongly about the Canadian spirit as anyone else. I'm sure there's Yankees just dying to see Canada partition....... that's not gonna happen. The rights of French Canadians are secure, hell, much of our nations best leaders have been French Canadians... Expect Canada to be one WHOLE UNIT for a LONG LONG time,...... well after Pax Americana crumbles to dust. :idea:

LOL. what the hell, let's keep this going.

"few" problems my ass. French canadians are so racist they hate other white people. Now that my friend, is fucked up.

[Space-Cowboy]

LMAO.

Kinda how being brown is becoming a liability in Vancouver. . . .


How is it a liability?... Brown people and Asians/Orientals RUN that city. [in otherwords no, there's no liability].

[NYzNiCCa]

Ay salaam Aleikum Bhai jaan

Roja kaise chal rahey hain ?
w'slaam

zabardast chal rahay hain rozzay....lagta hai teri banned honnay ki baari agaye hai babbua. :p :p

[Space-Cowboy]

LOL. what the hell, let's keep this going.

"few" problems my ass. French canadians are so racist they hate other white people. Now that my friend, is fucked up.


..... what the hell can I say, except that you're wrong? That's the most skewed and baseless view of Quebec I've ever heard. :idea:

[bad_cheque]

yeah i think im just gonna smoke some weed with my rastafarian friends and come out with a new creative religion. The whole point here being...follow ur religion and leave everyone else alone.....which most fuckheads on RD cant or are not willing to do.
Yeah I am ok with people minding their own business.

[Space-Cowboy]

Obviously I can understand you Americans being patriotic... but there's a difference between Patriotism, and blind, baseless faith in a nation with SO MANY flaws!

[chunky]

..... what the hell can I say, except that you're wrong? That's the most skewed and baseless view of Quebec I've ever heard. :idea:

kinda like your view of america.

[Space-Cowboy]

kinda like your view of america.


How's anything I've said about America remotely skewed?





.... unless of course, if you voted Republican.....in which case I'm wasting my time here. :idea:

[sameer]

New York .... and to a certain extent L.A. *might* be the exception...... I've been to other parts of the country to visit cousins, etc. ..... minorities stick out like a sore thumb.

I've lived in NY back in 1988 for about a year, mostly in the Bronx, and for a small while in Queens. This was before Guliani.

both the east and west coasts are very ethnically diverse. thats just not ny and la... thats pretty much all urban areas on both coasts. and the urban areas in between are not bad... not as ethnically diverse but still more so than other countries.

the rural areas of the south is where you might see remnants of the past. but those areas arent very well populated.

[chunky]

How's anything I've said about America remotely skewed?





.... unless of course, if you voted Republican.....in which case I'm wasting my time here. :idea:

you're claiming that acceptance of other races is not part of the american fiber.

I beg to differ. Take this site for instance. all the whiteys on here, such as shivachrist, are from the US, not canada.

BOOYAH, i win.

[Space-Cowboy]

both the east and west coasts are very ethnically diverse. thats just not ny and la... thats pretty much all urban areas on both coasts. and the urban areas in between are not bad... not as ethnically diverse but still more so than other countries.

the rural areas of the south is where you might see remnants of the past. but those areas arent very well populated.


Yet those areas have the most impact on the nation as a whole.... why is that? If what you said were really true, then how do you explain that idiot president being in power? Now forget foreign policy for a second.... I mean even domestic policies..... both social and economic..... ?

Kerry's platform was actually to go out and KILL Bin Laden. Bush on the otherhand has done shit squat on that end.

[Space-Cowboy]

you're claiming that acceptance of other races is not part of the american fiber.

I beg to differ. Take this site for instance. all the whiteys on here, such as shivachrist, are from the US, not canada.

BOOYAH, i win.


Few and far in between.

[fratty]

Space-Cowboy you have never been to America. I had lived in the the South for 20 years. My parents have lived here for over 25 years and have yet to experience any particular racism. I go to a state university. America has very little racism.

[sameer]

you're claiming that acceptance of other races is not part of the american fiber.

I beg to differ. Take this site for instance. all the whiteys on here, such as shivachrist, are from the US, not canada.

BOOYAH, i win.
yeah america's a great country for minorities. take a look at east asia, a brown guy would generally feel like such an outsider. put a white guy in india... he might have a good time... but he'll still be an outsider. put me in africa, ill feel strange.

there are some places in europe i might feel fine, but many places id feel out of place.

as for toronto and montreal, im sure they are generally fine, although ive heard the french in montreal don't like you much if you choose to speak english. thats not too friendly is it.

but on the whole i think america and canada are great places for minorities.

[Space-Cowboy]

1] Space-Cowboy you have never been to America. I had lived in the the South for 20 years. My parents have lived here for over 25 years and have yet to experience any particular racism. I go to a state university. 2]America has very little racism.


1]I've lived there, and been there tons of times.

2]Bullshit.

[fratty]

Yet those areas have the most impact on the nation as a whole.... why is that? If what you said were really true, then how do you explain that idiot president being in power? Now forget foreign policy for a second.... I mean even domestic policies..... both social and economic..... ?

Kerry's platform was actually to go out and KILL Bin Laden. Bush on the otherhand has done shit squat on that end.

Why do you have such a blind faith in liberal politics? I guess if Canada is so good at assimilating migrants groups there wouldn't be any terrorist plots there. But wait there are islamic radicals even in Canada.

[Space-Cowboy]

yeah america's a great country for minorities. take a look at east asia, a brown guy would generally feel like such an outsider. put a white guy in india... he might have a good time... but he'll still be an outsider. put me in africa, ill feel strange.

there are some places in europe i might feel fine, but many places id feel out of place.

as for toronto and montreal, im sure they are generally fine, although ive heard the french in montreal don't like you much if you choose to speak english. thats not too friendly is it.
but on the whole i think america and canada are great places for minorities.


That's a gross misconception by english speakers. They don't mind english... as long as you don't diss french. They appreciate it if you put in the EFFORT to try and speak french with them, they'll help you along, they are a very friendly people.

[chunky]

Yet those areas have the most impact on the nation as a whole.... why is that? If what you said were really true, then how do you explain that idiot president being in power? Now forget foreign policy for a second.... I mean even domestic policies..... both social and economic..... ?

Kerry's platform was actually to go out and KILL Bin Laden. Bush on the otherhand has done shit squat on that end.

if you have to ask why bush got elected, you really need to go back and review the political climate during his first run for office in 2000.

[fratty]

1]I've lived there, and been there tons of times.

2]Bullshit.

Well I haven't seen much racism in my life.

[illomatic]

w h o g i v e s a f u c k ? ?

[Space-Cowboy]

Why do you have such a blind faith in liberal politics? I guess if Canada is so good at assimilating migrants groups there wouldn't be any terrorist plots there. But wait there are islamic radicals even in Canada.


And yet Canada is no where near on the radical hitlist as America is.

A few confused teenage punks wanting an adrenaline rush does not a 'Canadian terror plot' make, kay?

[sameer]

Yet those areas have the most impact on the nation as a whole.... why is that? If what you said were really true, then how do you explain that idiot president being in power? Now forget foreign policy for a second.... I mean even domestic policies..... both social and economic..... ?

Kerry's platform was actually to go out and KILL Bin Laden. Bush on the otherhand has done shit squat on that end.
texas has some diverse cities in austin, houston, and dallas. are u kidding me that rural areas such as kentucky, tennesee, alabama, arkansas, etc have the most effect on the country? give me a break... states such as california, new york, texas, michigan, ohio and so on are the important ones.

where the president resides from isn't all that too significant though anyway.

[chunky]

yeah america's a great country for minorities. take a look at east asia, a brown guy would generally feel like such an outsider. put a white guy in india... he might have a good time... but he'll still be an outsider. put me in africa, ill feel strange.

there are some places in europe i might feel fine, but many places id feel out of place.

as for toronto and montreal, im sure they are generally fine, although ive heard the french in montreal don't like you much if you choose to speak english. thats not too friendly is it.

but on the whole i think america and canada are great places for minorities.

agreed. I'll admit that i've had my brushes with ignorant people while living in the south. On the whole, the whole southern hospitality bit does exist. People just focus on what the news/media amplifies and don't give credit to all the good people out there.

[sameer]

That's a gross misconception by english speakers. They don't mind english... as long as you don't diss french. They appreciate it if you put in the EFFORT to try and speak french with them, they'll help you along, they are a very friendly people.
ok. don't you feel its strange those those who are living in this country are the ones who are disagreeing with you?

if you were right, would we not be the first to tell you that we are being threatened.

[Space-Cowboy]

if you have to ask why bush got elected, you really need to go back and review the political climate during his first run for office in 2000.


There's that too.... but his agenda had the MOST impact on MidWest and Southern/Western America..... which in turn hand the MOST impact on the elections....... just look at the demographic breakup.

[Space-Cowboy]

ok. don't you feel its strange those those who are living in this country are the ones who are disagreeing with you?

if you were right, would we not be the first to tell you that we are being threatened.


Well like I said, I understand you're in America, and obviously you're going to be patriotic about America.... and there's nothing wrong with that...... infact that's commendable. But you have to be patriotic when it's appropriate. ...... It would have been appropriate during the Clinton administration................ not now. I'm almost 99% sure you voted for Kerry correct?

[sameer]

There's that too.... but his agenda had the MOST impact on MidWest and Southern/Western America..... which in turn hand the MOST impact on the elections....... just look at the demographic breakup.
the areas of the country that one could make a case for having remnants of a racist past (such as the south) do not themselves make up enough votes to win a national election.

further, even in those areas, the vast majority are not racist and bush did not win on any time of anti-foreign/minorities platform. what you are saying has no connection to anything,

[sameer]

Well like I said, I understand you're in America, and obviously you're going to be patriotic about America.... and there's nothing wrong with that...... infact that's commendable. But you have to be patriotic when it's appropriate. ...... It would have been appropriate during the Clinton administration................ not now. I'm almost 99% sure you voted for Kerry correct?
so we're all lying about not feeling threatened in an attempt to be patriotic? :rolleyes:

[fratty]

And yet Canada is no where near on the radical hitlist as America is.

A few confused teenage punks wanting an adrenaline rush does not a 'Canadian terror plot' make, kay?

A few confused? I can't believe you trivialized a terror plot to teen angst. Anyways there has to be some assimilation in a society. If a migrant does not respect the ideals and the dominant culture of the land how can he truly feel apart of that nation. I am American and not any of this hypenated American crap. If you allow for different ethnic groups to retain too much of their past culture they will just withdraw to ethnic conclaves with little interaction with other groups. I think Americans have done a fairly good job of assimulating minorities. Melting pot is better than the tossed salad concept. I like Canada and respect its diversity but it could be used against Canada very easily.

[Space-Cowboy]

so we're all lying about not feeling threatened in an attempt to be patriotic? :rolleyes:

You said yourself you live in NY correct? And I've conceded that that's one of the better parts. ..... now suppose you lived in the heart of the Ozarks?

[fratty]

You said yourself you live in NY correct? And I've conceded that that's one of the better parts. ..... now suppose you lived in the heart of the Ozarks?

Why do you try so hard to validate your misconceptions of America. Look at all these Americans disagreeing with you. I live in the South, the region you question. Yet this place is very friendly and there is southern hospitality. I have many white/black/asian/hispanic friends. There is diversity here too. Atlanta has a many ethnic groups. I hear rarely of racial tension in the news. The only one I can think of recently is the Duke rape case, which was supposedly perpetuated by rich northerners.

[sameer]

You said yourself you live in NY correct? And I've conceded that that's one of the better parts. ..... now suppose you lived in the heart of the Ozarks?
the other people who have replied live in other areas. chunky himself lives in the south.

ive also lived in MA, NJ, and upstate NY and have felt fine there. like i said the urban areas are great (and by definition urban = where most of the ppl live). and the rural areas, sure you might not feel as comfortable because you just won't have as many similar people around you, but those minorities that live there don't really feel threatened. and your post about rural areas controlling the country isnt possible because theres not enough people living there (and thats why they are called rural).

you also miss the point that in the past america was racist against blacks. this was strongest in the rural south. however, non-black minorities especially immigrants have tended to immigrate/congregate into urban areas. so chances are if you are a minority, you'll be living somewhere where you feel comfortable. (but in the rare case a minority made it to a rural area, they also would not be scared of "white supremacist" raids) or whatever you said earlier,

[bad_cheque]

I am quite new here and I can say that the US is very fine when it comes to treating newcomers. Of course newcomers struggle a lot but people sometimes go out of their way to hold your hands and teach you the ways here.

Yes sometimes people tend to be standoffish but then even us Indians can be standoffish.

On the whole the US is a good place though I have a feeling that this place is just not for me. I will surely leave in some time.

[Space-Cowboy]

A few confused? I can't believe you trivialized a terror plot to teen angst. Anyways there has to be some assimilation in a society. If a migrant does not respect the ideals and the dominant culture of the land how can he truly feel apart of that nation. I am American and not any of this hypenated American crap. If you allow for different ethnic groups to retain too much of their past culture they will just withdraw to ethnic conclaves with little interaction with other groups. I think Americans have done a fairly good job of assimulating minorities. Melting pot is better than the tossed salad concept. I like Canada and respect its diversity but it could be used against Canada very easily.


'Terror' is terror.. whether it comes from Al Quaida inspired radicals, or Timoth McVeigh, or teenage angst, the result is still the same, and there's nothing trivial about it.... but there ARE root causes to all these. In the case of these teens they were clearly screwed in the head to begin with.

And no, the mosaic concept will never be used against Canada.

[fratty]

the other people who have replied live in other areas. chunky himself lives in the south.

ive also lived in MA, NJ, and upstate NY and have felt fine there. like i said the urban areas are great (and by definition urban = where most of the ppl live). and the rural areas, sure you might not feel as comfortable because you just won't have as many similar people around you, but those minorities that live there don't really feel threatened. and your post about rural areas controlling the country isnt possible because theres not enough people living there (and thats why they are called rural).

you also miss the point that in the past america was racist against blacks. this was strongest in the rural south. however, non-black minorities especially immigrants have tended to immigrate/congregate into urban areas. so chances are if you are a minority, you'll be living somewhere where you feel comfortable. (but in the rare case a minority made it to a rural area, they also would not be scared of "white supremacist" raids) or whatever you said earlier,

But you must remember some of the worst race riots were in Western and Northern cities. If the South has a history of racism so does the North. The Draft Riots in 1860s, Watt County Riots of the 60s, Zoot Suit Riots, Chicago riots, and the 1991 Rodney King Riots highlight that urban areas have just as much racism as the rural.

[Spiky]

I have lived in a red neck state in Midwest all my life. I never had brown friends....never experienced "racism". I dont know if you would consider "brown" jokes as racism, but thats not it for me....so, NO...space_cowboy, ur blindly hating and blaming US now for weird reasons....just like..rest of the world.

[fratty]

'Terror' is terror.. whether it comes from Al Quaida inspired radicals, or Timoth McVeigh, or teenage angst, the result is still the same, and there's nothing trivial about it.... but there ARE root causes to all these. In the case of these teens they were clearly screwed in the head to begin with.

And no, the mosaic concept will never be used against Canada.

Mosaic concept will lead to the Balkanization of Canada.

[fratty]

Anti-Americanism is just vogue now. It is a mild form of racism if you think about it.

[Space-Cowboy]

I have lived in a red neck state in Midwest all my life. I never had brown friends....never experienced "racism". I dont know if you would consider "brown" jokes as racism, but thats not it for me....so, NO...space_cowboy, ur blindly hating and blaming US now for weird reasons....just like..rest of the world.

I'm not hating on U.S., I'm stating its faults. I understand many people from the Mid East hate U.S. for various reasons.....

I'm Anti American insofar as the current govt. is concerned. I don't 'hate' America.

Now... suppose I WERE hating on America..... the fact would remain.... insofar as THIS site is concerned, there are people hating on it for whatever ill found reason......... sometimes it's easy to guess what those reasons are, sometimes it isn't.

I find my cynicism of America [not hatred, cynicism] to be quite apt... or at the very least, not baseless.

[Space-Cowboy]

Mosaic concept will lead to the Balkanization of Canada.


That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day. :idea:

[Irreligious Left]

Still it's not as bad as what you'd find in say L.A. .... or Alabama.....

It's much better off here.

I suppose I shouldn't generalize, not all Americans have the ethnocentric melting pot mindset...

Steet gangs in Alabama? God. You are clueless.

[Space-Cowboy]

Steet gangs in Alabama? God. You are clueless.

http://lexikon.idgr.de/k/k_u/ku-klux-klan/kkk-1924.jpg

[Irreligious Left]

http://lexikon.idgr.de/k/k_u/ku-klux-klan/kkk-1924.jpg

Posting a pic from 1924 of the KKK in LONG ISLAND relates to street gangs in Alabama how?

[chunky]

Posting a pic from 1924 of the KKK in LONG ISLAND relates to street gangs in Alabama how?

LMAO. beat me to it.

[chunky]

There's that too.... but his agenda had the MOST impact on MidWest and Southern/Western America..... which in turn hand the MOST impact on the elections....... just look at the demographic breakup.

you need to do some reading on the electoral college too.

:idea:

look for answers to questions such as

"how can a candidate that lost the popular vote be elected to office?"

[Sikh4Lyfe]

Thats like a holocaust for muslims every year. Shiiiiiet.

[chunky]

'Terror' is terror.. whether it comes from Al Quaida inspired radicals, or Timoth McVeigh, or teenage angst, the result is still the same, and there's nothing trivial about it.... but there ARE root causes to all these. In the case of these teens they were clearly screwed in the head to begin with.

And no, the mosaic concept will never be used against Canada.

Let's not forget Kimveer gill. :kekeke:

[Messenger]

islam is STILL the fastest growing religion in the world


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastest_Growing_Religion

Buddhism is the fastest growing religion in the United States, with adherents estimated in the several millions.
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/8129.html

At present, Buddhism has the highest percentage growth of all religions in Australia, having had an increase of 79 percent in the number of adherents from the 1996 to the 2001 census.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_Australia

[bad_cheque]

Anti-Americanism is just vogue now. It is a mild form of racism if you think about it.
:lol:

You are reading too much crap.

[poojasxy]

oh my god thats terrible
im neutral with islam but christianity
thats sumthin elsereally? why is that?

[Spiky]

Thats like a holocaust for muslims every year. Shiiiiiet.


:kekeke:

[diirtycriminal]

BullCaca....

[human-nature]

I believe that place youre referring to is Hell, and you have the chance of avoiding it if you are truly repenting of your wrongs and live your new life a purpose. Its called being born again. Yesterday was, tomorrow may be, only today IS. People are not inapt to change, they just need the faith to make it happen.
Not Once Hell is Mentioned in the Bible

[human-nature]

Why? We teach love, praying for your enemies, and spreading the love of God. I dont see how thats any different from Islam, aside from the whole Jesus vs. Mohammed thing.
There is No such thing as Jesus vs Mohammed in Islam.
Jesus is a Prophet and Mohammed is a Prophet. Mohammed is the Last Prophet

[crystalgems2]

any religion practice Violance is not going to last long and Islam is not different. Islam has its own enemy 1) "the terrorism" 2) "supression of women".......both the pillers wouldn't sustain too long....

[human-nature]

any religion practice Violance is not going to last long and Islam is not different. Islam has its own enemy 1) "the terrorism" 2) "supression of women".......both the pillers wouldn't sustain too long....
Islam Does Not supress Woman

[crystalgems2]

.....If a migrant does not respect the ideals and the dominant culture of the land how can he truly feel apart of that nation....If you allow for different ethnic groups to retain too much of their past culture they will just withdraw to ethnic conclaves with little interaction with other groups.......

exactly

[crystalgems2]

Islam Does Not supress Woman
repeating lie million times wouldn't make it true

[crystalgems2]

... Mohammed is the Last Prophet
is self declaration.............not many takers around i guess

[crystalgems2]

Print This Article
Islam in Fast Demise
In Africa Alone Everyday, 16,000 Muslims Leave Islam
By Ali Sina

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/fastdemise.shtml

The article too general and not based on facts

[crystalgems2]

Not Once Hell is Mentioned in the Bible
check plzzzzzz

[ThatsHot]

BUt then you should have some muslim missionaries there to help them out. Why dont you? Cause you dont care about those innocents.

You should red the article. Then muslim enter a nation... first thing they do is build a mosque. They dont give them food, shelter, hospitals or schools but build a mosque.


muslims dont need missionries, the religion speaks for itself, and that is why it is the fastest growing religion in the WORLD


now go grab a suit, bible and start knocking at random peoples doors

[ThatsHot]

Exactly............ but what you need to understand is that poeple make or break a religion. Poeple set examples for others to follow. WHat it teaches is irrelevant cause all religions teach charity, love, peace and humanity.



you moron people cant make or break a religion. religion is as it is to people who are willing to learn about it witout being like "hmm lets see what i can poke at here". so when you dont want to grab onto the throat or whomever tries to explain it to u, take ur time and actually learn about the true islam.Christians/hindus/sikhs are not practicing their religion as it is either, ande i dont see them "breaking" anything.

[ThatsHot]

I would just like numbers and credible sources to back up any claim that a certain religion, whatever it may be, is the fastest growing religion in the world. Most people just throw around conclusory statements that theirs is. That is not sufficient for me.

Also, I find it baffling that in our age of secularization, any religion could definitively claim the mantle of "fastest growning," whatever that may mean.


fastiong growing means the religion to whom most people are converting. i, myself have witnessed 3 hindu's,4 christians, and 1 sikh convert as i wnt to the masjid randomly. And i'm sure there are plenty more cuz i hardly ever go to the masjid.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Islam/islam21.htm
http://www.islamherald.com/html/explore/fastest_growing.htm

[ThatsHot]

I am not preaching like I have the answers to anyone you cunt rag. I am just saying Islam is incompatible with today's world. Islam does oppress and stifles anything civil. I wonder how many breakthroughs in science, medicine, and economics are coming out of the middle east? The answer is none. More books are translated in Spain than in the entire Middle East. I am sorry if you really want to be the cultural slaves to the Arabs be my guest and join Islam.


this is just disgusting...if islam is not compatible with today's world..y is it the fastest growing religion IN TODAY'S WORLD

u talk of arab culture..lets talk of indian culture
...ur relgion..well mostly in india because it doesnt seem to grow among ppl from other countries and backgrounds is HIGHLY influenced by ur culture..this is y ppl of that area practice it and it isnt easily acceptd by other ppl..
and im guessing u are hindu?..its funny how everyone is ready to discuss islam and put it down (like u) yet u dont back ur answers with how ur religion has aspects which are better regarding an issue..

[crystalgems2]

fastiong growing means the religion to whom most people are converting. i, myself have witnessed 3 hindu's,4 christians, and 1 sikh convert as i wnt to the masjid randomly. And i'm sure there are plenty more cuz i hardly ever go to the masjid.

yeah, not many openly convert from Islam. Thanks for beheading(killing) fatwa associated with it.
http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com

[crystalgems2]

.....lets talk of indian culture ...ur relgion..well mostly in india because it doesnt seem to grow among ppl from other countries and backgrounds is HIGHLY influenced by ur culture..this is y ppl of that area practice it and it isnt easily acceptd by other ppl............

....it doesnt seem to grow probably bcos they haven't targeted "Twin Towers", "tubes" and not explored "Transatlantic flights"......lack of basic skills ;)

[NYzNiCCa]

why cant i post?

[NYzNiCCa]

hahha wheres my sig....my VIP status? :no:

[Space-Cowboy]

this is just disgusting...if islam is not compatible with today's world..y is it the fastest growing religion IN TODAY'S WORLD

u talk of arab culture..lets talk of indian culture
...ur relgion..well mostly in india because it doesnt seem to grow among ppl from other countries and backgrounds is HIGHLY influenced by ur culture..this is y ppl of that area practice it and it isnt easily acceptd by other ppl..and im guessing u are hindu?..its funny how everyone is ready to discuss islam and put it down (like u) yet u dont back ur answers with how ur religion has aspects which are better regarding an issue..


Actually it is, Buddhism is fast growing in the outside world today. And Hinduism itself is growing and being accepted by outsiders all through out North America and Europe. Get your facts straight before you posts claims about other faiths.

[WORd]

Prophet Muhammad Mustafa PBUH was the last law bearing prophet, khatamun nabiyeen, seal of prophets..the purpose of a seal is to affirm the truth of the documents inside, NOT to affrim its finality or end...THE interpretation of verse 33:41 of the HOly QUran is the whole reason sunnis and the rest of the islamic community is mislead..and thats why u ahve ppl thinkin their the soldiers of ALLAh and that they ave to physically kill their "sworn enemies". fratty retard is going nowhere in a hurry by claiming al of dat..a person dat acknowledges the presence of GOd through whatever religion he claims to be is someone who has truly done sum good in their life and has really openmindly made the connection between his relationship with GOd. IF u stil dont belive it..experimetn with it..go aroudn doing things dat wud b seen as sins in most religons and see if ur life begins to get misrebale or not..try to c if u have problems just pop up in ur life like almost unexpectadly..and then compare that to when u werent commiting ne of those sins and how smoot ur life was going bak then...ie. try abusing a lot of drugs..HOnestly the disgrace of islam was somethign foreseen as to happen during the time of the Messiahs reform back to truth..but its indeeed the deed of not accepting the messiah which hurts all muslims the most..

[os942891]

fratty, and those who support fratty's wild dissillusioned thoughts on islam, muslims, and the present status in the muslim world are seriously mistaken. Lets start first with the heading of this thread. He quoted this from ALi Sina..for those who dont know ali sina, he is a former shitte muslim who has taken a pilgrimage to discredit islam, ridicule islam etc. The man has no validity as he hides behind a screen spewing hatred on this great religion of islam. SO, if someone who refuses to hear the facts, truth, and logical reasoning, then he will never want to change his views. Hardcore athetists such as Richard Dawkins,who is an Oxford Prof and a renowned author of such books, The selfish Gene, hides and has never sat down with religious scholars to have a formal debate on the existence of God despite many invitations from British Muslim scholars. He will never change his views, so the best thing to do is to ignore such a person. Ali Sina is the same. He has tried to arrange debates with one of the famous scholars Dr. Naik, who has refused to debate with ali sina because of his arrogant and disrespectful attitude. Nevertheless, there are people like ali sina, in very few numbers and i mean extremely few numbers who want to attack on islam from a former muslim..my opinion, let them be. the more attention u give them, the more abusive they become. For instance Irshad Manji a lesbo canadian shiite "muslim" woman had written a book with no validity and baseless arguments with very weak resources to back up her book. The beauty here is that she didnt make it as big as the next salman rusdie, whereby my opinion she would have wanted the western muslims to run in the streets burn her book etc..she hasnt even made an impact..why?..shes was around for a while, and then no longer in the media, because the canadian muslim community just simply ignored her....im off track a little i am at work so multitasking here...anyways back to the thread...this kid fratty seems to believe ali sina's report from a site that discredits muslims..fair enough i can live with that...but where is the proof...here is a website www.turntoislam.com this site you can see videos of many younge, old men and women converting to islam...here you can view various people accepting islam...in the long run islam is the fastest growing religion on this planet..look at the rates of australians..no not the immigrants buy white australians coverting to european and north american black, whoite and hispanics converting...there has to be a reason as to why this is happening..also here in canada churches are going under because they have no one to come and congregate...in windsor alone 10 churches have been bought by construction people and converted to residence living...another church was bough by a group of muslims and converted to an islamic school...this a grwoing trend in canada and the united states...with dwindling numbers of church goers, closoing down of churches, rapid conversion to islam and other faiths, continuous reports of priests committing wrongful acts etc...this is happening in the west...i would also like to share another view wheresome people here are mistaken...what is happening in the middle east, etc has nothing to do with islam..nowhere does it state in the koran, torah, bible that killing is good...most of you dont read enough to understand the nature of this problem. this is all a political motivated hatred more so than religious...for example if jews were so bad, then why would 25000 jews in iran continue to live and enjoy living in iran.ill be happy to provide the bbc link..there are so many example..its for u to look through it deeper...osama and people like that who use violence are not muslims...simple as that...just like mussolini, hitler, queen isabela, king ferdinard and many many more are not following what jesus said...so id like to express to u all to be tolerant, read more and be patient then you can uncover the real truth through understanding and tolerance...dont just believe whats on the surface..dig deeper and you will come to an understanding...the beauty about the koran..it teaches us to question, debate, argue with God again through tolerence, and understanding in order for u to believe what is truth and what is false...

[cunninglinguist]

Not Once Hell is Mentioned in the Bible
it is metaphorically
"you shall be thrown into the dark/wilderness where there will be the gnashing of teeth"
or words to that effect from what i remember of my religious studies lessons

[Irreligious Left]

fastiong growing means the religion to whom most people are converting. i, myself have witnessed 3 hindu's,4 christians, and 1 sikh convert as i wnt to the masjid randomly. And i'm sure there are plenty more cuz i hardly ever go to the masjid.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Islam/islam21.htm
http://www.islamherald.com/html/explore/fastest_growing.htm

10 year-old sources?

[cunninglinguist]

you moron people cant make or break a religion. religion is as it is to people who are willing to learn about it witout being like "hmm lets see what i can poke at here". so when you dont want to grab onto the throat or whomever tries to explain it to u, take ur time and actually learn about the true islam.Christians/hindus/sikhs are not practicing their religion as it is either, ande i dont see them "breaking" anything.
well no, you're the moron
religion, as we know it now, is a set of rules people abide by in order to lead their spiritual lives
some devote their lives to it, others a few hours a week
but either way, these rules are open to HUMAN interpretation even if they are the "word of god". language, afterall has its constraints.
this is why denominations prevail in ALL major religions
although it may it not "make or break" the religion, the number of worshippers/followers do fluctuate because of new denominations rising and older ones phasing out

[WORd]

yo os345343 from canda u seen dat show last week on cbc still lOL with taht gay asss author and sum retarded christian college guy and all these other smallbrains arguin and shit still.

[crystalgems2]

...... he is a former shitte muslim who has taken a pilgrimage to discredit islam, ridicule islam etc. The man has no validity as he hides behind a screen spewing hatred on this great religion of islam......
...
anybody tried to open debate will be treated as invalid by hardcore elements....
in Canada islamic radicalization spreading fast....

[foreverconfused]

anybody tried to open debate will be treated as invalid by hardcore elements....
in Canada islamic radicalization spreading fast....

Are you a girl or a guy?

[crystalgems2]

Are you a girl or a guy?
am not confusing u here :D

[foreverconfused]

am not confusing u here :D

So it's a secret?

I thought you were a girl but your profile says 'prince'. :sarb:

[CaramelPrincess]

Yeah, those are the crazy fuckheads. Just like the crazy fuckheads of Islam (Bin Laden and everything that Al Qaeda says? come on!) Every religion has them. Im a non-denominational, Protestant Christian. I love God and everything he's done for me and I could never deny his presence in my life.
Nicely put!

[di vinci]

fact is if the chriatian world i.e the west stayed out of muslim business the world will be a safer way all thses dictators and wars are directly the result of western interferance not islamic fundenmetalist, muslim have not been in this much trouble since the west lost russia as an enemy and decided it was maericans time to bully islam what they are forgetting about this moment is that china is risisng and will be the new super power and america will become a fdormer shell of itself anyway christianity in the whole of the west is actually on a decline it will be about time teh same happends in the african states when they realsied they been fooled

[khanbaba_]

During the last years earth quake in Pakistan, Christian missionaries saw it as a good opportunity to spread their religion. My uncles was there, just one example, they would ask the little children to ask Allah to give you candies. They would do so and nothing would happen. Then they would ask the childrens to ask *Yasooh Maseeh* (Jeses). They would do so and the missionaries would throw candies at the kids. Without money, tehy cant convert one person. This is not the case with Islam. Most of the people that leave Islam are very poor people. They have converted hundred of poor Afghan refugees in Pakistan. Each convert gets money every month.

[WildWolfdog]

should we even really read an article that starts off by quoting hitler?

:Owned:

[MolviCorleone]

6million isnt really a big number, and where are these converts coming from? If your answer is, africa and asia then fuck that, poor ppl will obviously convert to christianity when they are offered food and money for it. In the long run though they will eventually realise the truth, look at the USA ,from Christians to Nation of Islam to real islam.

Fratty-Not much is coming out of the middle east becuase those people are more or less living in a dark age despite having a lot of money. That does not prove a single thing, how does that mean islam is incompatible with todays world? Have yo seen todays world? its a complete disaster with us running out of natural resources and global warming. When it comes to fighting injustice though Islam tops the bill, we don't just look out for number one, it is our duty to look after our fellow man and that's why wherever islam was spread muslims lived peacefully with non muslims (when poltics and religion was one). BUT i'll give you this, the muslim world is in a dark age right now, we are not really strong and we arent really setting an example and still islam is the fastest growing religion in the world OR the second fastest.........just wait till things change.........which inshallah they will. We will prove to the whole world we are the best thing going. We have already proven in the past just how much good we can do. We will again and the difference is, this time the world will see just how good we are.


anyway lastly ALI SINA?you dont half come out with some shitty sources of information.

[MolviCorleone]

the funny thing is though, a lot of these people who willingly leave islam happen to be shia so a lot of ppl wouldnt even consider them muslim in the first place. Or at least hypocrites. BUT there always will be people leaving islam, how does that prove anything? In the Prophets time many people left Islam becuase they just didn't have enough faith.........tha doesn't prove islam is incompatible with todays world i nfact i dont think there ever will be hard evidence to support frattys views. Way I see it, fratty clearly thinks a lot about muslim........well to be honest a lot of hindus play these tactics with muslims........basically have a go at us for the sake of it, just stick to your religion, we'll stick to ours.........Islam isn't ever going to just dissappear so I feel sorry for you.

[btown-paki]

6 million might convert to christians each year...but how many convert to muslim???

[106Kn104D]

muslims dont need missionries, the religion speaks for itself, and that is why it is the fastest growing religion in the WORLD


now go grab a suit, bible and start knocking at random peoples doors

Islam is the fastest growing religion because the people back home have 10 kids thus increasing the population. If you compare the conversion rates of Christianity and Islam they are about the same. Also Neil Armstrong never converted to Islam, thats a myth.

[ThatsHot]

well no, you're the moron
religion, as we know it now, is a set of rules people abide by in order to lead their spiritual lives
some devote their lives to it, others a few hours a week
but either way, these rules are open to HUMAN interpretation even if they are the "word of god". language, afterall has its constraints.
this is why denominations prevail in ALL major religions
although it may it not "make or break" the religion, the number of worshippers/followers do fluctuate because of new denominations rising and older ones phasing out


hmm than i should judge christianity on hitler, and hinduism on those great folks that burned muslim's homes and distroyed their masjid's in gujrat somestimes not too long ago. no MORON, who follows rules and regulations anyways? study the religion, and learn from that not from random people's actions that supposadly "follow it".

[ThatsHot]

Islam is the fastest growing religion because the people back home have 10 kids thus increasing the population. If you compare the conversion rates of Christianity and Islam they are about the same. Also Neil Armstrong never converted to Islam, thats a myth.



i never braught up neil armstrong, i dont need to name one or two people to impress you. wake up, go to your MSA meetings, local masjid,,, you'll see how many converts there are in just one community. arguing is useless, i cant grab you by ur hand and take you out to show you what's going on in the world, you will have to do that yourself.

[cunninglinguist]

hmm than i should judge christianity on hitler, and hinduism on those great folks that burned muslim's homes and distroyed their masjid's in gujrat somestimes not too long ago. no MORON, who follows rules and regulations anyways? study the religion, and learn from that not from random people's actions that supposadly "follow it".
how does my reply insinuate you should judge a whole religion based on just the evil people that were such and such a religion? i'm talking about priests, people in positions that hold value, not individuals that deicde they're gonna take over the world. so MORON, who's gonna pass on the teachings of God? where do you "study" the religions? its HUMANS, who have interpreted the texts
and that, unfortunately in some cases, leads to misinterpretation and manipulation

[ThatsHot]

how does my reply insinuate you should judge a whole religion based on just the evil people that were such and such a religion? i'm talking about priests, people in positions that hold value, not individuals that deicde they're gonna take over the world. so MORON, who's gonna pass on the teachings of God? where do you "study" the religions? its HUMANS, who have interpreted the texts
and that, unfortunately in some cases, leads to misinterpretation and manipulation


so i should base christianity on priests who have sex with little boys? :sarb:

[cunninglinguist]

so i should base christianity on priests who have sex with little boys? :sarb:
yeh
and i'll base my views on islam via imams that call for the murder of jews and war on the rest of the world

[ThatsHot]

yeh
and i'll base my views on islam via imams that call for the murder of jews and war on the rest of the world

haha well isnt that just jolly

"to you your way and to me mine"

[ThatsHot]

are you in ny or nj? cuz if you are id love to invite you to a cup of coffe to discuss this or any other issues you might have. cuz i noticed alot of people can act ignorent and fight about it online but wouldnt have the guts to in person. well than chao

[crystalgems2]

..... Without money, tehy cant convert one person. This is not the case with Islam. Most of the people that leave Islam are very poor people......
u also get huge money from gulf charity to convert in western countries....
in pakistan gulf money used to radicalize poor kids in madrassas

They have converted hundred of poor Afghan refugees in Pakistan. Each convert gets money every month.
saying "they converted hundreds of Afghans" are not true.....we all know the fate of the people try to convert or converted....do u remember the recent court drama of a Afghan guy who converted 15 years ago...

I dont support any conversion..

If christians would convert people in Darfour, I accept because arab muslims of Sudan doesn't want them

[cunninglinguist]

are you in ny or nj? cuz if you are id love to invite you to a cup of coffe to discuss this or any other issues you might have. cuz i noticed alot of people can act ignorent and fight about it online but wouldnt have the guts to in person. well than chao
britain in fact
so i'm the one being inorant?
okayyyyy

[ThatsHot]

britain in fact
so i'm the one being inorant?
okayyyyy

no your actually really smart and thaughtful, would i make you feel better if i said that? well than there i said it :paper:

[cunninglinguist]

no your actually really smart and thaughtful, would i make you feel better if i said that? well than there i said it :paper:
yeh i'd rather enjoy it
if you could spell correctly
cheerio

[ThatsHot]

sorry mr dictionary

[crystalgems2]

hmm than i should judge christianity on hitler, and hinduism on those great folks that burned muslim's homes and distroyed their masjid's in gujrat somestimes not too long ago. no MORON, who follows rules and regulations anyways? study the religion, and learn from that not from random people's actions that supposadly "follow it".

all know in gujrat, muslim Morons deliberately burned the train compartment that ignited the whole affair.....now culprits pretend as if they are victims....
the new trend in india is: bombing mosques by themselves to blame others

[ThatsHot]

all know in gujrat, muslim Morons deliberately burned the train compartment that ignited the whole affair.....now culprits pretend as if they are victims....
the new trend in india is: bombing mosques by themselves to blame others

hmm sureeeeeeeee :sarb: :rolleyes:

[x_desigal_xx]

6 million muslims convert to Christianity every year


that's interesting. I'm not that familiar with Christianity but would like to learn more about it.

[x_desigal_xx]

I have lived in a red neck state in Midwest all my life. I never had brown friends....never experienced "racism". I dont know if you would consider "brown" jokes as racism, but thats not it for me....so, NO...space_cowboy, ur blindly hating and blaming US now for weird reasons....just like..rest of the world.


where in the midwest do u live? I live in Michigan. i agree with u btw. some areas might have it worse than others, but i've faced no personal racism. behind the doors might be a different story though.

[crystalgems2]

hmm sureeeeeeeee :sarb: :rolleyes:
thats how problem started...muslim group torched train to start with

[khanbaba_]

The London Times published a report titled: "Why are British women accepting Islam?" Interesting points in the report are discussed hereunder.

THE WINDS OF GUIDANCE are sweeping the West. There is an unprecedented move towards Islam in America, Britain, France and many other European countries. According to a survey of the Los Angeles Times (10/12/94) each year the Muslim population of America increases by one hundred and fifty thousand people. While this figure includes those Muslims who settle in America from abroad, a very large percentage is made up of Americans who have accepted Islam.

MEDIA

As for Britain, a report in the London Times (9/11/93) titled "Why are British Women accepting Islam?" states that a great number of Britons are accepting Islam. The report claims that despite the extremely antagonistic media coverage of Islam, the number of people flocking to it is ever on the increase. Among the reasons for the exodus towards Islam is that "Westerners despairing of their own society - rising crime, family breakdown, drugs and alcoholism - have come to admire the discipline of Islam." Ironically, the antagonistic attitude of the media and the relentless propaganda against Islam are also counted among the reasons for people accepting Islam in great multitudes.

75% WOMEN

However, what has surprised the West is that from the thousands accepting Islam, most are women. The London Times claims that 75% of Americans accepting Islam are women and that the case in Britain is similar. This surprise is evident in the the following words of the author: "It is even more ironic that most British converts should be women, given the widespread view in the West that Islam treats women poorly."

The report contains many interviews with British women who have accepted Islam. Many of them are very highly qualified and have accepted Islam with complete insight. Maymoona who is 39 years old was initially a Christian. First she researched all the Christian sects. Thereafter she studied Judaism, the Hari Krishna sect and other religions deeply. She finally chose Islam. Another woman who named herself Huda says that Christianity keeps changing from time to time. However she found Islam to be constant and steady in all respects. She also found that the five daily Salaah which are compulsory are an excellent basis for one’s constant contact with one’s Creator and that they maintain the realization of His existence in one’s heart all the time.

SHOULDER TO SHOULDER

Although the general impression is that Western women wish to work shoulder to shoulder with men, the newly converted British women spoken to by the London Times feel otherwise. They claim that the attraction for them in Islam was that it had chalked out different roles for men and women which are in accordance to the physical and biological make up of each of them. According to them the feminist movement in the West is an insurrection and rebellion against women. They sum up feminism in the following words: "Women copying men, an excercise in which woman-hood has no intrinsic value."

Nooria, a thirty six year old Scottish woman, found a page of the Qur’an in 1974 lying in a waste paper basket (Allah forbid!). Having picked it up and read it, it inspired her to accept Islam. During an interview she criticised the manner of Western women. She says: "Most of the women in this country are traitors to their sex. It’s almost as if we have been defeminised."

HIJAAB

Hassanah, who is a close friend of Nooria, accepted Islam in 1988. She strictly adheres to the laws of hijaab and dons the veil. She says: "At least I am not a traitor to my sex." On the question of hijaab or purdah she says that she finds much protection in it and that it also enhances self respect.

According to the London Times report, many Western women have found that the woman has much more dignity and respect in Islam. The author says: "Many Muslims contrast the status of women in Islam with what they see as the dismal plight of women in the West. They note that here women work full-time out of financial necessity, remaining lumbered with the housework and children care. It is a puzzling version of emancipation." Many other interviews are included in the report wherein the women who have recently accepted Islam claim to be disgusted with the Western way of life and have found peace and tranquility in Islam.

Together with this report, an editorial also sums up the reality. It commences by saying: "As the investigation in the Times on women and Islam has shown, the intelectual clarity and moral certainty of this 1400 years-old faith are proving attractive to many Western women disillusioned with the moral relationism of their own culture." Further the editorial goes on to say: "...The separate spheres marked out for the two sexes by Islam certainly bear little relationship to the notions of gender which have been ushered in by the feminist revolution. But what matters is that many of the women in the West who have taken this unexpected path have done so out of choice rather than familial duty or historic obligation. They have been positively attracted by the sense of sisterhood and community they discover in Islam."

LESSONS

There are several lessons to take from this report. While those who have lived in the Western way of life all along are throwing it overboard, many Muslims, due to weak Imaan, are casting aside the noble Sunnah and adopting the disgusting ways of the West. It is a matter of licking up what the West is spitting out.

APOLOGETIC

Similarly, while westernised apologetic Muslims in our own country are propagating to the masses that adopting the Hijaab will be the "death-knell" for the spreading of Islam, newly converted British women are donning the veil and finding security in it. For those who were walking around "clothed yet naked" to adopt the Hijaab speaks volumes about its wisdom and benefit.

FEMINIST BRIGADE

Even the feminist brigade (including the men who champion their cause) would surely take a lesson from the views expressed by such women who have seen all that there is about feminism. Special note should be taken of these women’s appreciation of the separate roles that Islam has assigned to men and women. They have realized the dangers of throwing women into the mens working world where, in South Africa for instance, seven out of ten women encounter sexual abuse. (Natal on Saturday 25/3/95)

APPRECIATE

These women have been on "the other side of the fence" and have seen and experienced everything there first hand. Now they have come to Islam and truly appreciate what they find in it; including the separate roles for men and women, the Hijaab and everything else. They ought to appreciate just how great these aspects are, as the last line of the editorial says: "Only those who have crossed the divide can truly understand what lies on the other side."

(Parts of this article have been adapted from Al-Balaagh Urdu, Karachi - Shawwaal 1415 issue)

SPREADING IMMORALITY

Allah Ta’ala says in the Glorious Qur’an: "Verily those who love that immorality should spread among the Believers, for them is a painful punishment in the world and the Hereafter." (24: 19)

The spread of immorality is a severe cancer which eats away the moral fibre of society. Extremely detestable actions then become the norm. Those who oppose these abominations are termed "eccentric" (odd). The end result is the sick society that is to be found in most parts of the world, especially in Western countries.

Having drifted with the tide, many Muslims have also become engulfed in various aspects of immorality. If any Muslim were to be asked: "Do you love to spread immorality?" his answer will be an emphatic "NO." Yet in various ways many are actually promoting this cancer. This is very similar to a drug dealer vigorously denying that he loves that people should take drugs!!!

Therefore, a person who is opposed to the spread of the cancer of immorality will remain miles away from all such things that in any way aid its spreading. No consideration should be given to any social conditions or to any financial implications in this matter. The only thing to be considered is Deen.

[khanbaba_]

T.V.

Among the worst promoters of immorality in this age is the accursed TV. Even the most ignorant person knows well enough how much of absolute filth is spewed onto its screen. Teenage sons and daughters together with their mothers and fathers watch the the lewd and lurid "romantic" scenes that constantly appear on the face of this shaitaan. The shameless and immoral western attire that is being adopted by Muslim men and especially women is the achievement of this TV. Having such an immoral tool in one’s home is tacit promotion of immorality. Those who detest the spread of immorality will detest this tool of immorality as well and will therefore get rid of it immediately.

MAGAZINES

Another tool that fosters an enviroment of utter immorality is the filthy magazines and books. Recently with the relaxation of censorship laws in this country there has been a tremendous upsurge in the amount of sordid literature. Muslims buying or selling such magazines and books should realize that they are actively involved in spreading immorality. For a paltry profit (which in this case is Haraam) the moral fibre of society is being hacked and slashed.

ADVERTS

Sustenance is in the hands of Allah Ta’ala. One will only receive what He has decreed. Having forgotten this, in an effort to boost one’s business the Deen of Allah Ta’ala is totally ignored. Thus one finds adverts with shameless and utterly disgusting pictures of semi-clad women. Not only does this deprive one of the Barakah in one’s earnings, one will also have to share the sin of all those thousands of people who will become involved in the Zina of the eyes by looking at those pictures ( the same applies to the selling of the lurid magazines mentioned above). It will not make the least bit of difference to one’s business and sustenance if one refrains from such Haraam practices. Rather it will bring more barakah.

ENTERTAINMENT

Treasure the modesty and morality of the Muslims, especially the impressionable minds of our innocent children. Do not "lovingly" hack and slash away their Islamic values by exposing them to the "zina box" and the sordid literature. For your "entertainment" you may have purchased a T.V. and video. Do you realize that you are entertaining yourself with the destrution of YOUR CHILDREN? May Allah Ta’ala save us. Aameen.